Wound ballistics always fascinates me. A friend made a comment one time that as a lad he and his brother were watching a 1950's Western. His dad and uncles who were WWII combat vets sat down to watch, but began howling when the hero got shot in the shoulder and kept on going. According to them that was one of the most incapacitating wounds you could have, affecting balance and mobility, and risking an artery, much as you showed.
There was an episode of _Spencer: For Hire_ where he got shot in the shoulder with a .223, and I remember the focus of that episode being how dangerous and debilitating the injury was, and how long and difficult the recovery process was.
Never have been shot in the shoulder, but I've shot a small handful of deer that managed to hit a shoulder blade. The blade breaks like a dinner plate and the entire leg just folds under the weight. Same would go for people id assume. rather than crumpling under weight you just lose use of an arm, and as you regaled, loss of balance because your arm can't swing predictably.
When a peace officer years ago I was in a shooting with a robbery suspect. No cover, and we shot it out at 60ft. His second shot hit me in the sam brown belt, fragmenting upon entering me. It was a soft lead Remington 158gr round nose bullet. The suspect took two centered 357Mag 125 JHP in the chest. He was dead when he hit the ground. I was so pumped full of adrenaline I had to be reminded by my Sgt. I was hit. The bullet's main body was removed in surgery, however, a few years later 5 fragments had remained causing a second surgery. The pancreas was damaged leaving it at 50% function. Today, I have diabetes as the result, and digestive issues as well. I was told that damage took 10 years off the backside of my life. And that ridding a horse the next day is Hollywood BS. I was 28 at the time and in my prime. Was down for three weeks, and did desk duty for a month before I was released by the doctor for full service on the street. Being gutshot is no laughing matter. There's a 5" scar about 1" below and beginning 2" right of the navel from the second surgery. They gutted me like an elk. Well, that's my experiences with personal gunshot wounds. Hope none of y'all ever have to go through this sotra thing.
Well, it was odd that I did almost three tours in Vietnam, and never injured. Come home and got shot by an American. But, I was a third generation peace officer. It was a way of life. The people who lived and worked on my beat were my people. If someone wanted to harm them, I'd do my best to stop 'em.
I had abdominal surgery and had to take 6 weeks off. I have a couple of scars, but at least I don't have any lasting health issues because of it. I can't imagine getting shot.
Having been the recipient of projectiles on more than one occasion, I can't fathom the danger of infection prior to modern antibiotics and disinfectant in that era.
Absolutely. None of that stuff is fun. It all hurts. If it’s bad enough, it can change your life permanently. Even the minor instances can mess with your head - they did mine - and almost all of that stuff leaves scars or keloids. I have some of *those* as well. (Looks at left hand.)
And I always thought get the victim drunk and bite on a bullet thing. Great job Santee. Just brings the point home small injuries could be catastrophic.
I don't know if biting the bullet was a thing in the 1800s, but I know it happened during the Revolutionary War. I visited Fort Ticonderoga, and saw an actual bullet used for that purpose. It looked like a piece of chewing gum. Brutal.
Great vid partner , love the Gunsmoke clips! My fave tv show. Been a Western fan all my life and the appeal of the old West if anything has strengthened over the years . Never been to America and now I'm in the twilight of my years I probably never will , but I carry the dusty plain in my heart. Riding the endless miles of prairie on an old paint with a six shooter on my hip , the unbroken horizon shimmering in the heat seems like the pinnacle of human endeavour. Really , we should have stopped there , it's all been rubbish since!
Another great episode! Dr. Goodfellow is regarded by many as a founding father of modern trauma surgery. Thousands, if not million, of lives have been saved over the years because of his work.
I hear there's this old myth that a Colt 45 revolver can go off inexplicably, but in reality, the trigger has to be pulled. Oops, somebody named Alec is trying to find my location....
Loved the old westerns on tv . Always thought the heros recovered mighty fast from gun shots. Really enjoy your videos they are so well put together and love the sense of humour. Keep Safe ❤Keep Well ❤
Well they had to. There was still 45 minutes left in the script to get things done so they didn't have time to stop and bleed. Besides there's nothing that says they didn't die after rolling the closing credits.
I’ve often wondered why Hollywood chose the shoulder area. It’s a visual thing for the masses. Thank you Santee for another awesome video. I hope your recovery is speedy.
I just cringe when I see so many "speedy GSW recoveries", too. Or the shots in the leg...or shooting guns out of people's hands (on purpose, of course)...or the notion that a gut shot renders the person instantly dead...or idea that good guys had to always fire away needlessly at fleeing outlaws on horseback while all shots sailed harmlessly into space....or that you had to take your shoulder off the stock of a lever action rifle every time to lever up the next round...or the idea that serious-hero good guys could make perfect heart shots on all would-be killers point-shooting from the hip...(not even Thell Reed could do that, and he was a sixgun expert)...or that Rory Calhoun's Bill Longley on The Texan could hip shoot a moving villain 65+ yards away.....or that so many .45 slugs couldn't penetrate the spine or chest cavity and needed somebody to dig them out but they could penetrate walls bad guys hid behind....or the Gunsmoke episode where Matt tells Chester that a .44 slug bores straight through while a .45 flattens when it hits...I could go on and on.
I lost track of the number of times Festus got shot clean through the shoulder on Gunsmoke. Doc was a genius indeed. Maybe a bit supernatural... Best of Days to all the Ghostriders.
@@CaliforniaFly Sure enough. That show was a chunk of my childhood. I felt like every character was a friend of mine, minus the bad guys of course. No doubt it influenced my life.
Kind of like the dozen or so times Richard Sharpe got shot with a frickin' musket ball and not only lived but never took more than half a day to heal lol. Though maybe he was just too distracted by all his sword wounds to notice.
Hey Santee! This channels helps me relax more than any other! Something about the humor and the history just is the best. It's the only channel i find myself rewatching videos on multiple times! Hope you and eveyone who helps makes these videos are having an amazing day!
Another excellent video, Santee! My ancestor recounted post civil soldiers walking around with bullet inside them, and bullets coming out once the body is healed sometime later. What gets me in the movies is how chatty the people are when the bullet is removed. He wrote while doing odd chores in town to earn some coins, sulphur ether was used frequently in surgery, as most men carry guns and the doctor didn't want to get shot. But since bullet wounds weren't common, most of the time, teeth pulling, loaded cart running over a man's foot amputation, ingrown toe nails were the most common. But what really got the doctor nose was the body order of his patients. Another matter was the doctor wasn't chatty either. Anyways, excellent video Santee.
Leg shots are another one that seems to be considered safe by Hollywood, even though the leg is chock full of things that you just don't want to have a bullet in. I've never been shot, but I've been stabbed in the inner thigh near the groin. The doctor and surgeon both kept telling me how lucky I was to have survived because the blade was only an inch or so away from some pretty vital stuff on either side of it. Anyways, thanks for another great video!!
@@ArizonaGhostriders I wouldn't recommend it, and I don't know if I'm more thankful that the blade missed an artery or that it didn't nick the family jewels!
The femoral artery runs along the inside of the thigh, near enough to the surface that you can even get a pulse reading from it. Nick THAT, and the subject is dead in less than thirty seconds
Great video, Santee, as always! And I like the Van Dyke, it looks great on you! I always got a kick out of a gunshot victim saying "It's only a flesh wound." I can't imagine it would be that easy to ignore!
Santee, once again, thanks for the FANtastic visuals and videos to correlate with that gruesome subject. YIKES, I guess that we shouldn't complain about a doctor's visit today. 👏🙏🏼👏😳
What an intriguing subject! Just some random events I've found interesting: -A man accidentally shot himself with a shot gun in 19th century, opening a wound to stomach. Physician closed wound in manner that allowed him to re-open and study function of stomach. He published his observations and it changed medical concepts of digestion. - A 'sniff' test, was given to abdominal wounds to determine if intestine was punctured. A punctured intestine would often result in peritonitis (infection of abdomen) commonly resulting in fever and lingering painful death. I actually saw one cowboy movie referencing this. -Almost all gunshot wounds don't always result in instant death as movies often portray, and wounded adversary extremely dangerous. While recipient of bullet could live a few seconds to hours, even days. Only a direct hit to brain stem would cause instantaneous death. Recall a few years ago when two year old strayed into gorilla cage and police sharp shooter had to make an instantaneous death shot to keep gorilla from possibly crushing child. -"Shot in leg wounds" ok since non-fatal, not only a cowboy movie myth but also movies and TV in general. A puncture of leg, especially at the femoral artery and bullet recipient can literally bleed to death within minutes. -'Shoot to wound" obviously another movie myth. -Not a gunshot thing per se, but in 19th Century as now, laws quite clear, pointing a weapon at someone was 'assault with a deadly weapon', displaying a weapon to intimidate was considered 'brandishing', killing someone in a 'consentual' fight (or 'duel') was considered 'manslaughter'. I've read numerous accounts in old newspapers of that era of arrests and convictions for such activity that taken far more seriously then than now in places like New York City, St. Louis, Los Angeles etc. with their more pro-criminal politics. Many cowboy movies as well as contemporary shows, perpetuate pointing guns or brandishing with a person finding out in real life that cops will arrest and courts will convict. There are plenty of attorneys on YT sites that can cover this topic. Anyway, as always, enjoyed video. Came across a book describing individual recounts of mid to late 19th Century. Lots of things described including accounts of auctions, which seemed to be quite the civic social event with food, speakers etc for the numeous people that gathered. Old West auctions of 19th Century might be a topic. (BTW: If you want more info on book I can provide it, I think you'd find it's recollections of daily life of era interesting.)
Known the first point since high school (AKA a looooong time ago). I can't recall the names but it was actually recounted in our biology textbook. Both surgeon's and victim's names were given. What your brain can present to you after 50 odd years.
Back in the Middle Ages, if a man was still alive after a belly wound, he would be given a strong onion soup to drink. If they could smell onions near his belly, they knew the stomach was perforated, and the "patient" didn't stand a chance
Hey Santee, always enjoy your videos. I didn’t hear you mention this and read several comments and didn’t see anyone talk about the idea that a lot of infection came from those large, comparatively slow moving hunks of lead pulling filth into the would. Since bathing and clean clothes were not a regular thing hunks of dirt and filthy clothing will get pushed into the would and disbursed making it virtually impossible to clean out. Personally I suffered a puncture wound on my foot during a hunting trip several years ago and even with modern medical treatment and antibiotics I almost lost my leg and still suffer from having lost a lot of muscle tissue which died from the infection, also suffered nerve damage. My permanent limp is now part of my cowboy action shooting persona. See you on down the trail pard!
Yeah, I didn't mention bits of clothing and other stuff entering the wound. By and large, just sticking a finger in the wound would do as much damage if it wasn't clean.
So big a part of the perceived dangers of being shot was the risk of infection, that during the US-Spain war, where the Spanish army rifles used brass-jacketed ammo (which was then a new technology, virtually unknown in the Americas), there was the actual belief by the US army brass that the brass' purpose was for the verdigris to cause infections. (brass pun unintended but welcome)
There are many channels I watch, learn and then mostly stop watching...this channel is one I always watch when new content comes out, it never gets old...love it! And while I'm more than a half century of age, I am still enamored with all things old west...actually more so now than in a long time. Keep up the good work!
Damn man how are you great on timing I was just looking at your playlist for videos and you upload a new video and especially about action and violence im gonna enjoy this video myth vs reality is my favourite topic
i always thought that amputation out west was dependent upon hitting bone or not: if it hit bone then there’s shrapnel everywhere and no way to repair it, it’s just way too jagged. it’s not a clean break, so only way to save the life is to amputate. if it hits flesh it can be removed but you’re hurt for weeks if not months- maybe the rest if your life if it hit a ligament or tendon that needs surgery to repair
Those bullets (especially the big calibers) flattened out and did an incredible amount of tissue damage. They were so worried about infection that removing the whole limb was quicker and easier. If a doctor was a skilled surgeon, you had a better chance (if no bone was broken) of saving that limb.
The hero being shot can be part of the plot and sometimes a subplot, but Hollywood & TV producers knew that audiences would accept the painful but non-lethal gunshot wound for the main character while supporting characters died in an Old West story where almost everyone's carrying guns of some sort. It's that action and gunplay the audiences saw that made it a hit. The formula was even used & found in Star Trek, a displaced western, when you saw the guy in the red tunic, you knew he was gonna die while Bones would use his special gadgets to save the main characters.
@@ArizonaGhostriders Only the thing is with Star Trek (1) is the main characters that wore red that never got bumped off. Scotty, Uhuru, the female yoeman in the first season........... 1) Pitched to the networks as Wagon Train in space.
@@mpetersen6 Two things were responsible for all those dead Starfleet security men. One was Kirk's insistence on the "stun" setting, which often just tickled various non-human creatures, and the other was that all those guys were dumber than a sack of dilithium crystals.
My great grandfather was a country doctor. They typically only had 1-2 years of education and yet they were pretty knowledgeable about the maladies country folks often suffered with. Shootings happened but not nearly as often as portrayed in the movie and most died before they ever saw a saw bones
I am happy AND pissed. Happy to see this in my feed, pissed that the YT algorithm hasn't shown me your great content for months. MONTHS! I had to check back to your channel, and there it all is. Why didn't I, a subscriber, see any of it??? ANYhoo... thanks for making this. Now I have to go binge-watch. Fortunately, it's the weekend, I am single, and ain't nobody to tell me no.
There's a wall in St Mary's on the west side of Tucson decorated with historical photos. One is from the late 1800's of the hospital surgeon who also specialized in abdominal gunshot wounds, too (per the photo description).
Vic Morrow (Sgt. Saunders) was wounded in almost every episode of the great TV show “COMBAT!” back in the 60’s. I think he had about 250 unpleasant hearts! 🪖
Finally someone educates non gun people on real life. I told my kids and girlfriends kids old Slim got hit in the shoulder and was up and around the next day with his arm in a sling. Told them Slim would be lucky if he didn't bleed out or have his arm amputated if he survived at all. To make my point took a milk jug of water and hit it with a 12ga slug, yup-blowing the head off wasn't an exaggeration.
Are you talking about Slim Sherman on Laramie...or just some "Slim" in the Old West? Either way, you are right. The notion that shots to wound are like "remote control punches" is pure BS. Sadly, people have believed in shooting to wound ("I'll just wing him") and it got them in huge trouble. Shooting to stop a person who intends deadly harm is the only legal and moral way.
@@TwoWeekCowboy just a generic slim. But I know the show well, been playing as regular series on GRIT TV locally. All the westerns and movies. Clint Eastwood 3 coffins scene never gets old, or the good piece of hicory.
In the case of the Garfield assassination, death was largely the result of their not being able to locate the bullet. Alexander Graham Bell, of telephone fame, had in fact invented an early electronic metal detector that was used and, in all likelihood, would have worked had Garfield's bed not been fitted with one of the first metal box springs. This badly interfered with Bell's device but, not being aware of the box spring, Bell failed to understand why the device wasn't working properly. He discovered the problem a few days later but Garfield died before he could make another attempt.
An other video well done. Thanks. The show "Dual Survival" did a demo of how well cauterizing a wound with gunpowder works. One partner cut himself with a knife they alledgely "sterilized". After that they applied gunpowder and tried to light it. They had difficulties to light it as fluids seeping from the wound got the powder wet (gunpowder is about 75% salpeter and draws fluids fast). The wound still got infected. Considering that the cut was fairly shallow and barely bleeding, I´d guess that a deep, bleeding gunshot wound cannot be cauterized that way in the first place.
It's a miracle someone could be shot maltiple times and servive,case in point,Hank vauhan at his autopsy had 13 bullet wounds.he finely died when his horse fell on him.
That was a topic i had to research for a fanfiction i write. It got me to believe that one better isn't on the receiving end of a gun no matter where it hits you! Please make some about arrow wounds too!
Wa-a-ay back in the 70s, I remember the great folk singer Derroll Adams telling our folk club in England he thought Guiteau must have been trying to blow President Garfield's brains out.
A grim subject made amusing by your insight. I read an account of an army surgeon on the frontier, regarding arrow wounds: he noted that the sinew and ligement used to fasten the stone arrowhead to the shaft began to soften when imbedded in a victim & usually separated head from shaft when any force was applied to the shaft. Many that were so wounded carried the arrowhead for life.
In the miniseries "Centennial", Robert Conrad's character, Pasquinel, was wounded with an Indian arrow. He carried the arrowhead in his back for years before a doctor could remove it. (The character, not the actor, LOL)
I've read that the natives had two kinds of arrows: one for hunting which were reusable, the tip was fastened with plant material. And the ones for war: tips with barbs , fasted so that they stuck into the wound and became disattached from the shaft. Besides they were often poisoned with rotten flesh or snake poison.
Went to a re-enactor seminar,a real life Dr. that played a period Dr. explained that some of the wounds back then would be challenging even to modern medicine . Still enjoy some of the old westerns sometimes though . Great video !
Is it me or is Old dirty Dan sheddin some of his Tallow? I swear he used to be as big as a buffalo, he's looking swifter than a gant antelope everyday.
It was my understanding that infections resulting from gunshot wounds and other injuries were much more likely to kill a person than the original wound back in the day. Sterilization of utensils used, antiseptics and of course antibiotics were either totally unavailable or largely unknown.
Great video Santee, My wife and I always laugh when we're watching a Western ( or other movie ) and they say " It was a through and through, he'll live.
Another story I heard about Garfield's assassination was that the new X-Ray machine was new and close by and would have helped the doctors locate the bullet in him instead of probing with dirty fingers and intraments. Remember, back then, doctors washed their hands after surgery not before.
They did use it, but to no effect. Doctors like Lister and those who understood antiseptics and cleanliness DID wash their hands and sterilize stuff back then.
My understanding is the doc was a old civil war comrad when Garfield was a officer and Garfield trusted him except the doc dident think much of the study of germs and bacteria. Still the same practice from the 1860s
When I was a kid...60's...my older brother and his friends were fooling with someone's dad's 'Derringer'. Well, it went off in my brother's hand and took a big piece of meat (no bone) off one of his fingers. He didn't tell anyone for a few days...we'll the finger became infected. He didn't lose any function I'm aware of, but the doctor left it open to heal from the inside out. He had to soak it several times daily until it healed. Way I figure it, between the bullet ripping his finger up and the flash burn from the powder it must've been painful. As I recall, it quieted him down for a while. Oh, my dad had a way of looking at you so you know just how much of a fool you were. All us kids got that look at one time or another. I'm sure my brother got one for this stunt. I guess there's a reason dad kept his guns at my uncles when we were young.
There are two scenarios where we don’t suture wounds: when the wound is close to 48 hours old and when there is obvious (or suspected) infection present. Also, re bullet wounds - we don’t always remove projectiles. Only remove them when there is concern about injury to major tissues, organs or vessels in the area. The body typically surrounds the foreign body with granulation tissue which walls it off from surrounding healthy structures. Once granulated, not uncommon for the body to push the foreign body to the surface skin - as mentioned by several people in their comments.
A decade ago while on duty I was shot at point blank range with a 9mm. The bullet hit my vest stopping the bullet , but I pissed blood for the better part of a month since it impacted by my spleen. Hurt like Hell too.
Back then they were also beginning to develop better pain treatment for the victim. During the Civil War, most analgesics were just laudnum which is opium tincture with alcohol. But in the 1870's, morphine was more widely used. This was a godsend for people with horrific injuries.
@@MomentsInTrading Morphine was used sparingly during the Civil War. Mostly reserved for very serious injuries and also used for officers injured on the battlefield. I used the 1870's because that's when the drug was more wildly available to the public. During the Civil War, Morphine was a new cutting edge medication and not all Civil War doctors carried it in their medical kit.
Well in case of a gunshot i can't talk about. But i had a trimalleolar ankle frakture weber C, the frakture was very painful in itself, but after the surgery and the spinal anaestasia wearing off the pain started to get really nasty. I begged for some pain relief, but they treated me only with ibuprofen which helped nothing at all. And from ibu i got a bad stomach ache too... Two years later i had an hysterektomie by laparoscopie, but the pain wasn't so bad like i thought. And after about a day i had to walk around. After two weeks at home i could work again. Still i'm glad that i live today with painkillers, vaccinations an antibiotics. I wonder what they did back then with the "special needs" of their patients. And what about decubitus?
I remember reading somewhere that an 1800s gunshot to the trunk usually was fatal due to wound or infection, and that a gunshot to an extremity likely would have that extremity amputated. "The Good, the Bad and the Ugly" shows a ton of Civil War soldiers without arms, without legs, to get this point across, great anti-war film. Even the guy shot by Tuco in the beginning lost his arm from being shot.
I was a surgical technician for 45 years. I worked in hospitals across the country as a traveler. I've worked on many gunshot wounds and infections. Gunshots are not pretty and the blood loss keeps you weak for months. Infections smell hits you in the face like a punch. Anesthesiologists keep smelly stuff to put on your mast so you don't puke. And this is in a clean sterile environment where the air in the room is recycled every 10 minuets. At least those guys were out side.😃
I read a book 'Gangrene and Glory' about Civil War medicine. The doctor that wrote it said visiting a Civil War hospital would be like returning home from a vacation after a couple of weeks and your freezer quit working. As you walked toward the hospital an unpleasant smell would become stronger and stronger-the literal smell of rotting meat. However, the war revolutionized American medicine with several doctors getting quite close to germ theory, establishing triage and the study of nerve injuries.
Recent ballistic testing on simulated human torso shows that those old slugs and round balls expanded and did so really nasty things to those old dudes .
Good video! Good topic! Younger doctors understood germ theory and antiseptic surgical practices by the time of the Civil War. Problem is, young doctors had to defer to older doctors. Amputation of the extremities was usually because the bones were severely damaged, statistics suggested the survival rate was higher if a limb with damaged bone was amputated immediately. They understood aseptic surgery by the 1880s. It was pioneered by a surgeon at John Hopkins and rubber gloves were invented for his wife, a nurse and daughter of a Confederate general. I dig Dr. Tischonor's Antiseptic bottles alot near an 1890s oyster shucking house and cannery. Tischonor was the surgeon of a Tennessee Regiment who practiced antiseptic surgery during the Civil War and began bottling antiseptic in New Orleans afterwards. You can still buy it, you mix it with water. It is used for mouthwash too! Man I wish Colt and Uberti would do another run of Colt Navy .36 caliber revolvers! 👍😊
Ignaz Semmelweis , an obstritican of all things, in Vienna in 1847 is credited to be the first one to present reapatable eveidence that washing hands before and after treating patients cut infection. He suggested chlorate of lime.
@@51WCDodge Oh yeah! They were improving sanitation and techniques all through period! But those harsh chemicals caused the need for the rubber gloves.
My personal favorite movie gunshot wound is when one of the good guys gets shot in the shoulder, then the hero declares, "It went all the way through. You'll be all right." And to the hero's credit, they always are, after all, passing through the bones, tissue, ligaments, veins, arteries, cartilage and what not is not a problem as long as the bullet doesn't hang around.
I believe that if you were shot it is imperative that all the organic materiel from your clothing be removed, cotton from your shirt may be pushed into the wound by the bullet and that will, if not removed, cause infection.
Wound ballistics always fascinates me. A friend made a comment one time that as a lad he and his brother were watching a 1950's Western. His dad and uncles who were WWII combat vets sat down to watch, but began howling when the hero got shot in the shoulder and kept on going. According to them that was one of the most incapacitating wounds you could have, affecting balance and mobility, and risking an artery, much as you showed.
Very brutal!
Not to mention nerve damage. The shoulder is a complex joint.
There was an episode of _Spencer: For Hire_ where he got shot in the shoulder with a .223, and I remember the focus of that episode being how dangerous and debilitating the injury was, and how long and difficult the recovery process was.
Never have been shot in the shoulder, but I've shot a small handful of deer that managed to hit a shoulder blade. The blade breaks like a dinner plate and the entire leg just folds under the weight.
Same would go for people id assume. rather than crumpling under weight you just lose use of an arm, and as you regaled, loss of balance because your arm can't swing predictably.
@@Thoroughly_Wet Sounds like a good assumption to me.
When a peace officer years ago I was in a shooting with a robbery suspect. No cover, and we shot it out at 60ft. His second shot hit me in the sam brown belt, fragmenting upon entering me. It was a soft lead Remington 158gr round nose bullet. The suspect took two centered 357Mag 125 JHP in the chest. He was dead when he hit the ground.
I was so pumped full of adrenaline I had to be reminded by my Sgt. I was hit.
The bullet's main body was removed in surgery, however, a few years later 5 fragments had remained causing a second surgery. The pancreas was damaged leaving it at 50% function. Today, I have diabetes as the result, and digestive issues as well. I was told that damage took 10 years off the backside of my life.
And that ridding a horse the next day is Hollywood BS. I was 28 at the time and in my prime. Was down for three weeks, and did desk duty for a month before I was released by the doctor for full service on the street.
Being gutshot is no laughing matter. There's a 5" scar about 1" below and beginning 2" right of the navel from the second surgery. They gutted me like an elk.
Well, that's my experiences with personal gunshot wounds. Hope none of y'all ever have to go through this sotra thing.
Thank you for sharing, and sorry you went through it. BUT WHAT A STORY TO TELL!
Thanks for your service .
Well, it was odd that I did almost three tours in Vietnam, and never injured. Come home and got shot by an American. But, I was a third generation peace officer. It was a way of life. The people who lived and worked on my beat were my people. If someone wanted to harm them, I'd do my best to stop 'em.
I had abdominal surgery and had to take 6 weeks off. I have a couple of scars, but at least I don't have any lasting health issues because of it. I can't imagine getting shot.
Sorry that happen to you and thank you for your service. God bless you for all you did for us.
It's 4 am where I live, forget sleep, I'd watch Arizona Ghostriders all day.
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Good Saturday Morning Santee. Thank you again for another look at the old west. Pew, pew
Morning!
Best idea is to avoid being a target.
Having been the recipient of projectiles on more than one occasion, I can't fathom the danger of infection prior to modern antibiotics and disinfectant in that era.
Ugh!! Sorry you went through that!
Absolutely. None of that stuff is fun. It all hurts. If it’s bad enough, it can change your life permanently. Even the minor instances can mess with your head - they did mine - and almost all of that stuff leaves scars or keloids. I have some of *those* as well. (Looks at left hand.)
And I always thought get the victim drunk and bite on a bullet thing. Great job Santee. Just brings the point home small injuries could be catastrophic.
Yup!
"Doc, I'm soberin' up, shoot me again!"
I don't know if biting the bullet was a thing in the 1800s, but I know it happened during the Revolutionary War. I visited Fort Ticonderoga, and saw an actual bullet used for that purpose. It looked like a piece of chewing gum. Brutal.
Great vid partner , love the Gunsmoke clips! My fave tv show. Been a Western fan all my life and the appeal of the old West if anything has strengthened over the years . Never been to America and now I'm in the twilight of my years I probably never will , but I carry the dusty plain in my heart. Riding the endless miles of prairie on an old paint with a six shooter on my hip , the unbroken horizon shimmering in the heat seems like the pinnacle of human endeavour. Really , we should have stopped there , it's all been rubbish since!
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Another great episode! Dr. Goodfellow is regarded by many as a founding father of modern trauma surgery. Thousands, if not million, of lives have been saved over the years because of his work.
He also wrote a paper about silk being a possible material to stop bullets.
@@ArizonaGhostriders interesting. I'll have to check that out. I know the Mongols wore silk shirts so that arrows would be easier to remove.
I hear there's this old myth that a Colt 45 revolver can go off inexplicably, but in reality, the trigger has to be pulled. Oops, somebody named Alec is trying to find my location....
Right? I wish Mr. Baldwin had just kept his mouth shut and not blamed the firearm. Oh well...in the past now.
Loved the old westerns on tv . Always thought the heros recovered mighty fast from gun shots. Really enjoy your videos they are so well put together and love the sense of humour. Keep Safe ❤Keep Well ❤
Thank You!
Well they had to. There was still 45 minutes left in the script to get things done so they didn't have time to stop and bleed. Besides there's nothing that says they didn't die after rolling the closing credits.
@@robertkarp2070 only the next installment when they reappeared LOL
I’ve often wondered why Hollywood chose the shoulder area. It’s a visual thing for the masses. Thank you Santee for another awesome video. I hope your recovery is speedy.
Very welcome
And the shoot 'em in the leg nonsense. If a person were to be hit in the femoral artery, they would bleed out in seconds.
You know, I read that the only safe place to be shot is in the butt. Kid you not!
I just cringe when I see so many "speedy GSW recoveries", too. Or the shots in the leg...or shooting guns out of people's hands (on purpose, of course)...or the notion that a gut shot renders the person instantly dead...or idea that good guys had to always fire away needlessly at fleeing outlaws on horseback while all shots sailed harmlessly into space....or that you had to take your shoulder off the stock of a lever action rifle every time to lever up the next round...or the idea that serious-hero good guys could make perfect heart shots on all would-be killers point-shooting from the hip...(not even Thell Reed could do that, and he was a sixgun expert)...or that Rory Calhoun's Bill Longley on The Texan could hip shoot a moving villain 65+ yards away.....or that so many .45 slugs couldn't penetrate the spine or chest cavity and needed somebody to dig them out but they could penetrate walls bad guys hid behind....or the Gunsmoke episode where Matt tells Chester that a .44 slug bores straight through while a .45 flattens when it hits...I could go on and on.
@@TwoWeekCowboy Yeah. I cringe when I hear calibers than never existed. "How many .45-40s do you have left?"
Not only was this interesting and informative, you are completely delightful. So glad to have stumbled across your channel!
Thank You!
I lost track of the number of times Festus got shot clean through the shoulder on Gunsmoke. Doc was a genius indeed. Maybe a bit supernatural... Best of Days to all the Ghostriders.
Thank You!
Festus was as tough as the mule he rode an dad gummit and twice as stubborn ta boot. Ken Curtis was a tough act to follow. He and Doc made the show.
@@CaliforniaFly Sure enough. That show was a chunk of my childhood. I felt like every character was a friend of mine, minus the bad guys of course. No doubt it influenced my life.
Ah, just mere flesh wounds. 😰
Kind of like the dozen or so times Richard Sharpe got shot with a frickin' musket ball and not only lived but never took more than half a day to heal lol. Though maybe he was just too distracted by all his sword wounds to notice.
Hey Santee! This channels helps me relax more than any other! Something about the humor and the history just is the best. It's the only channel i find myself rewatching videos on multiple times!
Hope you and eveyone who helps makes these videos are having an amazing day!
Awesome, thank you!
Glad you showed clips from "Gunless" a great and fun movie.
Glad you enjoyed it
Another excellent video, Santee! My ancestor recounted post civil soldiers walking around with bullet inside them, and bullets coming out once the body is healed sometime later. What gets me in the movies is how chatty the people are when the bullet is removed. He wrote while doing odd chores in town to earn some coins, sulphur ether was used frequently in surgery, as most men carry guns and the doctor didn't want to get shot. But since bullet wounds weren't common, most of the time, teeth pulling, loaded cart running over a man's foot amputation, ingrown toe nails were the most common. But what really got the doctor nose was the body order of his patients. Another matter was the doctor wasn't chatty either.
Anyways, excellent video Santee.
Thanks for sharing, Jason!
Lets get this channel to 100k in 2023! Its well deserved for and your hard work Santee!
Yes please!
Leg shots are another one that seems to be considered safe by Hollywood, even though the leg is chock full of things that you just don't want to have a bullet in. I've never been shot, but I've been stabbed in the inner thigh near the groin. The doctor and surgeon both kept telling me how lucky I was to have survived because the blade was only an inch or so away from some pretty vital stuff on either side of it. Anyways, thanks for another great video!!
Thanks, Daniel! Stabbed!! Ugh!
@@ArizonaGhostriders I wouldn't recommend it, and I don't know if I'm more thankful that the blade missed an artery or that it didn't nick the family jewels!
@@danielthompson6207 Yeah, either way....you did ok!
I love you videos.
The femoral artery runs along the inside of the thigh, near enough to the surface that you can even get a pulse reading from it. Nick THAT, and the subject is dead in less than thirty seconds
Great video, Santee, as always! And I like the Van Dyke, it looks great on you!
I always got a kick out of a gunshot victim saying "It's only a flesh wound." I can't imagine it would be that easy to ignore!
HAHAH!
Santee, once again, thanks for the FANtastic visuals and videos to correlate with that gruesome subject. YIKES, I guess that we shouldn't complain about a doctor's visit today. 👏🙏🏼👏😳
HAAHAHH! I should say not.
What an intriguing subject! Just some random events I've found interesting:
-A man accidentally shot himself with a shot gun in 19th century, opening a wound to stomach. Physician closed wound in manner that allowed him to re-open and study function of stomach. He published his observations and it changed medical concepts of digestion.
- A 'sniff' test, was given to abdominal wounds to determine if intestine was punctured. A punctured intestine would often result in peritonitis (infection of abdomen) commonly resulting in fever and lingering painful death. I actually saw one cowboy movie referencing this.
-Almost all gunshot wounds don't always result in instant death as movies often portray, and wounded adversary extremely dangerous. While recipient of bullet could live a few seconds to hours, even days. Only a direct hit to brain stem would cause instantaneous death. Recall a few years ago when two year old strayed into gorilla cage and police sharp shooter had to make an instantaneous death shot to keep gorilla from possibly crushing child.
-"Shot in leg wounds" ok since non-fatal, not only a cowboy movie myth but also movies and TV in general. A puncture of leg, especially at the femoral artery and bullet recipient can literally bleed to death within minutes.
-'Shoot to wound" obviously another movie myth.
-Not a gunshot thing per se, but in 19th Century as now, laws quite clear, pointing a weapon at someone was 'assault with a deadly weapon', displaying a weapon to intimidate was considered 'brandishing', killing someone in a 'consentual' fight (or 'duel') was considered 'manslaughter'. I've read numerous accounts in old newspapers of that era of arrests and convictions for such activity that taken far more seriously then than now in places like New York City, St. Louis, Los Angeles etc. with their more pro-criminal politics. Many cowboy movies as well as contemporary shows, perpetuate pointing guns or brandishing with a person finding out in real life that cops will arrest and courts will convict. There are plenty of attorneys on YT sites that can cover this topic.
Anyway, as always, enjoyed video.
Came across a book describing individual recounts of mid to late 19th Century. Lots of things described including accounts of auctions, which seemed to be quite the civic social event with food, speakers etc for the numeous people that gathered. Old West auctions of 19th Century might be a topic. (BTW: If you want more info on book I can provide it, I think you'd find it's recollections of daily life of era interesting.)
Yep, there's some pretty interesting accounts out there.
Known the first point since high school (AKA a looooong time ago). I can't recall the names but it was actually recounted in our biology textbook. Both surgeon's and victim's names were given. What your brain can present to you after 50 odd years.
@@phillipbampton911 That's pretty neat. I find myself looking feverishly for those names half the time.
Back in the Middle Ages, if a man was still alive after a belly wound, he would be given a strong onion soup to drink. If they could smell onions near his belly, they knew the stomach was perforated, and the "patient" didn't stand a chance
I would love to see a dramatic Western series based around Dr Goodfellow. Gila monsters and all.
Yes, that would be amazing.
Saturday morning adventures. Arbuckles and Ghostriders. Pew Pew Pew
Thank You!
Thanks for the clips from Gunless, a riot of a movie shot (no pun intended) nearish my home in the BC interior
One of my all time favorites. Everyone was so good in it.
Hey Santee, always enjoy your videos. I didn’t hear you mention this and read several comments and didn’t see anyone talk about the idea that a lot of infection came from those large, comparatively slow moving hunks of lead pulling filth into the would. Since bathing and clean clothes were not a regular thing hunks of dirt and filthy clothing will get pushed into the would and disbursed making it virtually impossible to clean out. Personally I suffered a puncture wound on my foot during a hunting trip several years ago and even with modern medical treatment and antibiotics I almost lost my leg and still suffer from having lost a lot of muscle tissue which died from the infection, also suffered nerve damage. My permanent limp is now part of my cowboy action shooting persona. See you on down the trail pard!
Yeah, I didn't mention bits of clothing and other stuff entering the wound. By and large, just sticking a finger in the wound would do as much damage if it wasn't clean.
So big a part of the perceived dangers of being shot was the risk of infection, that during the US-Spain war, where the Spanish army rifles used brass-jacketed ammo (which was then a new technology, virtually unknown in the Americas), there was the actual belief by the US army brass that the brass' purpose was for the verdigris to cause infections.
(brass pun unintended but welcome)
There are many channels I watch, learn and then mostly stop watching...this channel is one I always watch when new content comes out, it never gets old...love it! And while I'm more than a half century of age, I am still enamored with all things old west...actually more so now than in a long time. Keep up the good work!
Awesome, thank you!
Damn man how are you great on timing I was just looking at your playlist for videos and you upload a new video and especially about action and violence im gonna enjoy this video myth vs reality is my favourite topic
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Myth vs. Reality: Old "Rex" lived a little longer, than most people were aware of! And that is why the buffalo were almost wipped out! Yummo
@@chrissewell1608 old Rex has eaten all the buffalos but the pathetic human beings takes credit for it and they were also wiped out
One thing that bothered me worse than gun wounds healing too quickly was when a movie set in 1868 has 1873 rifles and revolvers in it.
Yeah, that is a fun one, too, eh?
i always thought that amputation out west was dependent upon hitting bone or not: if it hit bone then there’s shrapnel everywhere and no way to repair it, it’s just way too jagged. it’s not a clean break, so only way to save the life is to amputate.
if it hits flesh it can be removed but you’re hurt for weeks if not months- maybe the rest if your life if it hit a ligament or tendon that needs surgery to repair
Those bullets (especially the big calibers) flattened out and did an incredible amount of tissue damage. They were so worried about infection that removing the whole limb was quicker and easier.
If a doctor was a skilled surgeon, you had a better chance (if no bone was broken) of saving that limb.
The hero being shot can be part of the plot and sometimes a subplot, but Hollywood & TV producers knew that audiences would accept the painful but non-lethal gunshot wound for the main character while supporting characters died in an Old West story where almost everyone's carrying guns of some sort. It's that action and gunplay the audiences saw that made it a hit. The formula was even used & found in Star Trek, a displaced western, when you saw the guy in the red tunic, you knew he was gonna die while Bones would use his special gadgets to save the main characters.
The red shirt non recurring characters
Yup!
@@ArizonaGhostriders
Only the thing is with Star Trek (1) is the main characters that wore red that never got bumped off. Scotty, Uhuru, the female yoeman in the first season...........
1) Pitched to the networks as Wagon Train in space.
@@mpetersen6 Two things were responsible for all those dead Starfleet security men. One was Kirk's insistence on the "stun" setting, which often just tickled various non-human creatures, and the other was that all those guys were dumber than a sack of dilithium crystals.
@@stevenscott2136
No. Dumber than a sack without any dilithium crystals. The reason dilithium crystals are so rare is because Elon Musk used 'em up.
Wow so informative and interesting. Thank you for another great video Santee!
You're welcome, JJ.
Another great video!
It just seems I started to watch it and it was over .
Looking forward to the next one. 🤠🤠🤠🤠🤠
Thank You!
Another good one pard. I hope this New Year brings out great country together again. I ride for the brand. Nothing but respect for you guys.
Much appreciated!
I watched Gunsmoke as a six year old kid. Marshall Dillon got shot in the arm or leg every single week. He always said" it's just a flesh wound, Doc".
Man had some strong flesh.
Enjoyed that. Movies seem to have shaped so many misperceptions. Good one 👍 🤠
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My great grandfather was a country doctor. They typically only had 1-2 years of education and yet they were pretty knowledgeable about the maladies country folks often suffered with. Shootings happened but not nearly as often as portrayed in the movie and most died before they ever saw a saw bones
Sad.
Great info!
Glad you think so!
I am happy AND pissed. Happy to see this in my feed, pissed that the YT algorithm hasn't shown me your great content for months. MONTHS! I had to check back to your channel, and there it all is. Why didn't I, a subscriber, see any of it??? ANYhoo... thanks for making this. Now I have to go binge-watch. Fortunately, it's the weekend, I am single, and ain't nobody to tell me no.
HAHAH! enjoy.
Thanks again Santee & Co.
You are welcome, Victor. Thanks for watching.
I love this channel you use certain movie scenes to explain history
Thank You!
There's a wall in St Mary's on the west side of Tucson decorated with historical photos. One is from the late 1800's of the hospital surgeon who also specialized in abdominal gunshot wounds, too (per the photo description).
I'll check on it. Might have been Goodfellow. He treated a peer in Tucson who was shot. Unfortunately, he didn't get here on time....
@@ArizonaGhostriders Maybe. Can't recall the name.
“I LIKE IKE” on Pres. Garfield was TOO FUNNY!!! Thanks for yet another classic!!!
YAY! Someone noticed. I've been waiting for someone to see that.
Great video Santee
Thanks for the visit
Vic Morrow (Sgt. Saunders) was wounded in almost every episode of the great TV show “COMBAT!” back in the 60’s. I think he had about 250 unpleasant hearts! 🪖
Trajedy on set ended his life too
Finally someone educates non gun people on real life. I told my kids and girlfriends kids old Slim got hit in the shoulder and was up and around the next day with his arm in a sling.
Told them Slim would be lucky if he didn't bleed out or have his arm amputated if he survived at all.
To make my point took a milk jug of water and hit it with a 12ga slug, yup-blowing the head off wasn't an exaggeration.
Yes!
Are you talking about Slim Sherman on Laramie...or just some "Slim" in the Old West? Either way, you are right. The notion that shots to wound are like "remote control punches" is pure BS. Sadly, people have believed in shooting to wound ("I'll just wing him") and it got them in huge trouble. Shooting to stop a person who intends deadly harm is the only legal and moral way.
@@TwoWeekCowboy "I don't like the idea of bein' shot in the hand." - Blackie from Rustler's Rhapsody
@@TwoWeekCowboy just a generic slim.
But I know the show well, been playing as regular series on GRIT TV locally.
All the westerns and movies.
Clint Eastwood 3 coffins scene never gets old, or the good piece of hicory.
My favorite line is, "it's only a fleash wound" or, "the bullet just grazed me"
Yes!
In the case of the Garfield assassination, death was largely the result of their not being able to locate the bullet. Alexander Graham Bell, of telephone fame, had in fact invented an early electronic metal detector that was used and, in all likelihood, would have worked had Garfield's bed not been fitted with one of the first metal box springs. This badly interfered with Bell's device but, not being aware of the box spring, Bell failed to understand why the device wasn't working properly. He discovered the problem a few days later but Garfield died before he could make another attempt.
The autopsy discovered revealed pneumonia in both lungs and a body that was filled with pus due to uncontrolled sepsis.
An other video well done. Thanks.
The show "Dual Survival" did a demo of how well cauterizing a wound with gunpowder works.
One partner cut himself with a knife they alledgely "sterilized". After that they applied gunpowder and tried to light it. They had difficulties to light it as fluids seeping from the wound got the powder wet (gunpowder is about 75% salpeter and draws fluids fast). The wound still got infected. Considering that the cut was fairly shallow and barely bleeding, I´d guess that a deep, bleeding gunshot wound cannot be cauterized that way in the first place.
I saw that!! Burnt powder leaves residue, you could see it in his wound. Foreign matter like that can't be great for that.
Cheers
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Thanks for the great new video. Very cool topic.
Be safe out there, and take it easy man.
Thank You!
Thank you so much Santee, I just love your video editing. You are amazing. Happy New Year.
Same to you! Much appreciated.
It's a miracle someone could be shot maltiple times and servive,case in point,Hank vauhan at his autopsy had 13 bullet wounds.he finely died when his horse fell on him.
It's hard to believe in some cases.
Santee!!! A huge congratulations to the channel for hitting g100K subs!!!
Thanks!!
That was a topic i had to research for a fanfiction i write.
It got me to believe that one better isn't on the receiving end of a gun no matter where it hits you!
Please make some about arrow wounds too!
Will do.
Wa-a-ay back in the 70s, I remember the great folk singer Derroll Adams telling our folk club in England he thought Guiteau must have been trying to blow President Garfield's brains out.
HA!
A grim subject made amusing by your insight. I read an account of an army surgeon on the frontier, regarding arrow wounds: he noted that the sinew and ligement used to fasten the stone arrowhead to the shaft began to soften when imbedded in a victim & usually separated head from shaft when any force was applied to the shaft. Many that were so wounded carried the arrowhead for life.
Dang, sure didn't know that! Thanks.
In the miniseries "Centennial", Robert Conrad's character, Pasquinel, was wounded with an Indian arrow. He carried the arrowhead in his back for years before a doctor could remove it. (The character, not the actor, LOL)
@@johnmullholand2044 I imagine that was not that unusual.
I've read that the natives had two kinds of arrows: one for hunting which were reusable, the tip was fastened with plant material.
And the ones for war: tips with barbs , fasted so that they stuck into the wound and became disattached from the shaft. Besides they were often poisoned with rotten flesh or snake poison.
Went to a re-enactor seminar,a real life Dr. that played a period Dr. explained that some of the wounds back then would be challenging even to modern medicine . Still enjoy some of the old westerns sometimes though .
Great video !
Thanks for sharing!
Reenacting seminar would've been v interesting as I do Civil War UK & USA.
Never long enough. Need more details. :) Thank you and have a good day.
Could you pay me to leave my day job? Then I could make longer videos!😎
Pretty sure a Dentist named Holiday was the best known doc in Tombstone
Ahhh, but by then he was only a doctor of triggernometry.
He trained to be a dentist and not a good one
There are a lot of unrealistic things in movies, healing faster than mosquito bites from bullet shots is one of them.
LOL!
Is it me or is Old dirty Dan sheddin some of his Tallow? I swear he used to be as big as a buffalo, he's looking swifter than a gant antelope everyday.
Well, you sure like wild game, don'tchya?
It was my understanding that infections resulting from gunshot wounds and other injuries were much more likely to kill a person than the original wound back in the day. Sterilization of utensils used, antiseptics and of course antibiotics were either totally unavailable or largely unknown.
Nope, it was studied and practiced since the 1860s. Just not by every doctor. Some, like Garfield's, didn't buy into the idea of antiseptics.
Great video Santee,
My wife and I always laugh when we're watching a Western ( or other movie ) and they say " It was a through and through, he'll live.
Right?
Or "It didn't break a bone"
@@TwoWeekCowboy YEAH!
Otro interesante informe como siempre Mr.Santee. Agradecido desde ya por el video..... Y le deseamos una pronta recuperación de su "accidente ".🏥🔫👍😀
Muchas gracias!
"I got a better idea." Famous last words! 😆
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Great video and excellent information. Thanks Santee!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Good episode I’ll watch you tonight on the 11 bang bang channel
Thank You! See you then.
Remarkable how you take such a dangerous and painful subject such as gunshot wounds and Monty Python it
LOL!
I love your show alot its very fun to see the truth of. The west
Thank You!
Unfortunately these skills will always be in demand. Great video my friend.
Yes!
I just discovered your channel. Great info and I love your humorous vfx!
Another story I heard about Garfield's assassination was that the new X-Ray machine was new and close by and would have helped the doctors locate the bullet in him instead of probing with dirty fingers and intraments. Remember, back then, doctors washed their hands after surgery not before.
They did use it, but to no effect. Doctors like Lister and those who understood antiseptics and cleanliness DID wash their hands and sterilize stuff back then.
My understanding is the doc was a old civil war comrad when Garfield was a officer and Garfield trusted him except the doc dident think much of the study of germs and bacteria. Still the same practice from the 1860s
OK Santee, how the heck do you come up with the topics. You got me stomped. HAHAHA. Love it. 👍👍👍👍
Bourbon.
4:56 I wholeheartedly agree. Hollywood westerns give an extremely distorted view of history.
Sometimes they get it right. Typically, those aren't the blockbusters though.
Another interesting and informative video. Thanks as always my friend.
My pleasure!
When I was a kid...60's...my older brother and his friends were fooling with someone's dad's 'Derringer'. Well, it went off in my brother's hand and took a big piece of meat (no bone) off one of his fingers. He didn't tell anyone for a few days...we'll the finger became infected. He didn't lose any function I'm aware of, but the doctor left it open to heal from the inside out. He had to soak it several times daily until it healed. Way I figure it, between the bullet ripping his finger up and the flash burn from the powder it must've been painful. As I recall, it quieted him down for a while. Oh, my dad had a way of looking at you so you know just how much of a fool you were. All us kids got that look at one time or another. I'm sure my brother got one for this stunt. I guess there's a reason dad kept his guns at my uncles when we were young.
Wow. Good thing he didn't lose it.
There are two scenarios where we don’t suture wounds: when the wound is close to 48 hours old and when there is obvious (or suspected) infection present. Also, re bullet wounds - we don’t always remove projectiles. Only remove them when there is concern about injury to major tissues, organs or vessels in the area. The body typically surrounds the foreign body with granulation tissue which walls it off from surrounding healthy structures. Once granulated, not uncommon for the body to push the foreign body to the surface skin - as mentioned by several people in their comments.
Thanks for another great episode!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great as Always !!!!!
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Oh hey, this is in our wheelhouse.
Wooohooo!! I thought it was interesting that Dr. Goodfellow was using CW surplus instruments when he started his practice.
Excellent video, as always. Thank you!
My pleasure!
A decade ago while on duty I was shot at point blank range with a 9mm. The bullet hit my vest stopping the bullet , but I pissed blood for the better part of a month since it impacted by my spleen. Hurt like Hell too.
Sheesh!! Amazing how Hollywood thinks you just walk away with a bullet proof vest
I thought once the bullet was out, everything was good. You mean all the other tissues didn't just go back to normal? Very informative video Santee!
That's what some belive, even now. Hero gets hit in arm by 7.62 x 51 NATO, wraps handkerchief round wound and drives on! 🤣
Don't forget pouring whiskey in the wound and ripping off the hem of your gal's dress for a sling!
Great bit of history. Thanks for sharing
Our pleasure!
Back then they were also beginning to develop better pain treatment for the victim. During the Civil War, most analgesics were just laudnum which is opium tincture with alcohol. But in the 1870's, morphine was more widely used. This was a godsend for people with horrific injuries.
Yup. Good ol' poppy plant.
I do not think this is correct. Morphine was used a lot during the Civil War.
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Morphine was used sparingly during the Civil War. Mostly reserved for very serious injuries and also used for officers injured on the battlefield. I used the 1870's because that's when the drug was more wildly available to the public. During the Civil War, Morphine was a new cutting edge medication and not all Civil War doctors carried it in their medical kit.
Chloroform was used a lot in the civil war, battle of Gettysburg podcast did a whole episode on civil war medicine
Well in case of a gunshot i can't talk about.
But i had a trimalleolar ankle frakture weber C, the frakture was very painful in itself, but after the surgery and the spinal anaestasia wearing off the pain started to get really nasty. I begged for some pain relief, but they treated me only with ibuprofen which helped nothing at all. And from ibu i got a bad stomach ache too...
Two years later i had an hysterektomie by laparoscopie, but the pain wasn't so bad like i thought.
And after about a day i had to walk around. After two weeks at home i could work again.
Still i'm glad that i live today with painkillers, vaccinations an antibiotics.
I wonder what they did back then with the "special needs" of their patients. And what about decubitus?
Wow! Great video!
Glad you enjoyed it
@@ArizonaGhostriders always do !
I remember reading somewhere that an 1800s gunshot to the trunk usually was fatal due to wound or infection, and that a gunshot to an extremity likely would have that extremity amputated. "The Good, the Bad and the Ugly" shows a ton of Civil War soldiers without arms, without legs, to get this point across, great anti-war film. Even the guy shot by Tuco in the beginning lost his arm from being shot.
If the bullet hit a bone and shattered it they likely amputated.
I don’t think that I’ve ever seen someone use a clip from Gunless. Well done.🍻
I've used them a couple times in the past. Love that movie.
@@ArizonaGhostriders Love it too!
'tis but a flesh wound. Another great episode Santee.
Thank You!
I was a surgical technician for 45 years. I worked in hospitals across the country as a traveler. I've worked on many gunshot wounds and infections. Gunshots are not pretty and the blood loss keeps you weak for months. Infections smell hits you in the face like a punch. Anesthesiologists keep smelly stuff to put on your mast so you don't puke. And this is in a clean sterile environment where the air in the room is recycled every 10 minuets. At least those guys were out side.😃
Wow, I appreciate you helped so many folks, but you're making an excellent point about the recovery time as well.
I read a book 'Gangrene and Glory' about Civil War medicine. The doctor that wrote it said visiting a Civil War hospital would be like returning home from a vacation after a couple of weeks and your freezer quit working. As you walked toward the hospital an unpleasant smell would become stronger and stronger-the literal smell of rotting meat.
However, the war revolutionized American medicine with several doctors getting quite close to germ theory, establishing triage and the study of nerve injuries.
@@tomservo5347 So good can come out of bad.
If anyone has ever had rotator cuff surgery, you know how much your arm is incapacitated and that's after the doc fixed it.
Great point
I’m in line for such surgery. Thanks for that uplifting future I have 😂😂😂😂
One of your best.
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Recent ballistic testing on simulated human torso shows that those old slugs and round balls expanded and did so really nasty things to those old dudes .
Yes!
Good video! Good topic!
Younger doctors understood germ theory and antiseptic surgical practices by the time of the Civil War. Problem is, young doctors had to defer to older doctors.
Amputation of the extremities was usually because the bones were severely damaged, statistics suggested the survival rate was higher if a limb with damaged bone was amputated immediately.
They understood aseptic surgery by the 1880s. It was pioneered by a surgeon at John Hopkins and rubber gloves were invented for his wife, a nurse and daughter of a Confederate general. I dig Dr. Tischonor's Antiseptic bottles alot near an 1890s oyster shucking house and cannery. Tischonor was the surgeon of a Tennessee Regiment who practiced antiseptic surgery during the Civil War and began bottling antiseptic in New Orleans afterwards. You can still buy it, you mix it with water. It is used for mouthwash too!
Man I wish Colt and Uberti would do another run of Colt Navy .36 caliber revolvers! 👍😊
Ignaz Semmelweis , an obstritican of all things, in Vienna in 1847 is credited to be the first one to present reapatable eveidence that washing hands before and after treating patients cut infection. He suggested chlorate of lime.
@@51WCDodge Oh yeah! They were improving sanitation and techniques all through period! But those harsh chemicals caused the need for the rubber gloves.
Yes, some doctors, probably like Garfield's, were stubborn and narrow minded....which is probably why the President's wound got so infected.
@@ArizonaGhostriders Probably. The same thing happened with Lincoln and William McKinley.
My personal favorite movie gunshot wound is when one of the good guys gets shot in the shoulder, then the hero declares, "It went all the way through. You'll be all right." And to the hero's credit, they always are, after all, passing through the bones, tissue, ligaments, veins, arteries, cartilage and what not is not a problem as long as the bullet doesn't hang around.
HAHAH! Yep
I believe that if you were shot it is imperative that all the organic materiel from your clothing be removed, cotton from your shirt may be pushed into the wound by the bullet and that will, if not removed, cause infection.
Yes.
Really interesting & informative! 🤠
Glad you think so!
Very entertaining. Can't believed I learned so much.
Dr George Goodfellow needs an episode of his own. Better yet a documentary. A doctor well ahead of his time.
Absolutely.
@@ArizonaGhostriders …. Imagine the PTSD he carried from the civil war on
"Just a flesh wound".
lol!
@@ArizonaGhostriders I was an advanced trauma paramedic for decades and also trained as a SWAT medic. I've seen a few gun shot wounds in my life. Lol!
@@davidbenner2289 I appreciate and respect that job!
@@ArizonaGhostriders firefighter-paramedic, fire officer and paramedic shift supervisor.
This episode makes all my old injuries and hurty places suffer from sympathy pains 😁
Yeah, right?