The Pirates had all the potential in the world, then they made a bad trade | Downfall Ep 5
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- Опубліковано 6 жов 2024
- In today's episode we discuss the 2013 Pittsburgh Pirates and how they were the best young team in baseball, until a few wild card game losses and a particularly infamous trade happened.
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guys stop pointing out all the mistakes I do not care and will continue to make them with joy
How about pointing out just the most egregious mistakes.
@@richardeast3328 yeah those are on me
You don’t care about inaccuracies but want people to take you serious? Modern “journalism” right there.
@@KryMoore nah idc if you take me seriously I'm just here to make jokes and tell a story
Jokes are funny, you make mistakes and then call them jokes. Also you show people you really don’t care by not responding, good try kid.
This is a certified Pirates moment
This is typical Pirates behavior for the past 42 years. The '90-'92 and '13-'15 windows were just the blind squirrel finding the nut.
MomentS
The Pirates haven't been shit, since they tore down Three River Stadium.
Such a certified Pirates moment it makes the Texans feel real.
My true pain and villain origin story is that they were so protective of Meadows through that 2013-15 run, refusing to deal him when they could have desperately used another starter or bullpen arm. To then give him ~50 games before shipping him out the door in the worst trade of all time is most Pirates thing that could ever happen.
Especially since teams like the Pirates have to guard their prospects. That literally is the only avenue they have to get better. For years, they were untouchable and for them to then give away the entire store at one time for Chris Archer is just the most baffling thing ever. It is like not drinking for years and everyone complimenting you for your will power, then you throw it all away on one bender.
I am a Pirates fan, thank you so much for telling this story. Life as a pirate is rough
Also reminding us of what could have been
I started going yo wildthings game. At least they win.
Be a Cleveland fan, instead. Oh wait...
@@sortofanoakyafterbirth3661 🤣
I'm a Pirates fan since 2007, Rct3nut74. I'll never forget their 11 game winning streak in 2018.
I love how your sense of humor fits perfectly with many sports UA-cam channels but makes me laugh out loud more often and more consistently. That’s special.
I know this is a Pirates video, but can’t lie, Puig fighting for a team he isn’t even on is absolutely hilarious 😂
This video gave me a hybrid of vibes, it’d be like if Jon Bois and Urinatingtree did a collab… nice work
@Jordan DR. J Add in a sprinkle of EmpLemon and you got it
@@Disembow1280 pretty much and I love it.
@@Disembow1280I have been watching a ton of EmpLemon ever since this comment and I truly see it
As someone who only really started following baseball in 2016 or so, it's wild to see how good and how much potential the pirates had in the early 2010's, and how by the time I was watching the team had just sputtered and died due to some terrible trade decisions...
I would just like to admire the bat speed Stallings had to hit that ball at 25:17. 98 mph 2 seam on the inside part of the plate and he actually made good contact with it 💀
fr that should've been a pop up to the infield
I just wanna see what the scorebook looked like for that next play LOL
Great video! One thing I would add about the 2014 Wild Card game is about that Grand Slam. It’s one of the most fascinating home runs to listen to, because the Pirates fans are practically screaming their heads off, the place is deafening, you couldn’t hear yourself think if you were in that stadium… and then Crawford hits the ball, and the place goes silent. You can practically hear individual people talking on the broadcast, it’s just the most eerie thing ever. Just one of the most epic “silencing the crowd” moments, you could tell that everyone in the stadium knew that the whole damn season was over at that moment…
oh that was definitely the inspiration for the "the game is over and it's the 4th inning" line, I think the fans probably felt the same way
There was a similar moment in the mid-80s after the Pirates turned the corner following the drug trials. The Bucs were within striking distance of the Mets in June, and the Mets had come to town for a three-game series. On a spur of the moment, I bought a ticket in the upper deck behind home plate. The Pirates led by a run going to the top of the 9th and brought on their hammer, Jim Gott to close it out. He got the first two outs and had gotten two strikes on Howard Johnson. We were going nuts screaming and rocking Three Rivers Stadium to pull for the last strike… and then Johnson took the ball for a ride. Tie game. I never heard a crowd become so silent so fast. The Pirates had runners in scoring position in both the 9th and 10th innings but couldn’t get the winning run across. The Mets scored in the top of the 11th, but the Bucs went down quietly. The momentum swung the Mets way and the Pirates stumbled the rest of the season.
Not even a pirates fan. I’m so glad I saw this in my recommended videos. You are amazing and it’s only a matter of time until you blow up. Also your sense of humor is great and really makes the video enjoyable. You do you because it seems to work really well. Keep up the great work, and thank you for the great video
4:06 as an Astros fan I love this reference to Joe Kelly 😂😂
I will never forget this team's long and storied past.
I will also never forget the sight of Anthony Rizzo literally laughing at the Pirates.
Pirates are the biggest joke in pro sports
@@cubsfan1235All of pro sports? Nope. Not even the worst team in baseball. You mad bc your cubs just lost 3 outta 4 to them huh
Can we just take a minute to appreciate how loaded that Cardinals lineup was in 2013: Carpenter, Beltran, Holliday, Adams, Molina, Jay, Freese. Not to mention the rotation: Wainwright, Lynn, Kelly, Wacha. What a team, I miss a lot of those early 2010's era players.
they really were a cheat code
Ew we're grew 3D Ed in my 3D and 😃 well week 4 5 my4
We have different definitions of loaded 😂 fucking Matt Adams and Jon Jay 💀
That lineup + Cardinal Devil Magic should have won them the World Series.
@@lauttaholic the Cardinals only win when nobody thinks they will, hence 2006 & 2011
Went to Pittsburgh impulsively & wanted to see PNC. Caught an evening game & got to see the sun set on that beautiful skyline. Caught a rare win too lol.
I’ve always kinda liked them but I’ve been following them more.
Thank you for the solid backstory on the lore. I can now blend in and complain about ownership with real pirates fans
Also: wtf how is the view to sub ratio so drastically different? You have great content - I even enjoyed your video on the bobcats & I don’t even like basketball lol. Great comedic cuts & clever editing
The Pirates aren't so awful every year that they rarely win. I mean, typically then end up around .500, give or take a few. But they're mired in mediocrity, have an owner who couldn't give a single, tiny fuck about the on field success and only recently finally rid themselves of an abysmal era that lasted far beyond it's best days. I grew up just outside of Pittsburgh and can hardly remember their good seasons as they're interwoven with so many bad ones during my 32 years of life but I can say that odds of seeing a win are about 50/50. The nice thing, just like Camden Yards, is even if they suck the stadium is just a sight to see. It wasn't nearly as nice back in the Three Rivers stadium, but PNC park is absolutely stunning.
I was introduced to sports through video games, and the Pirates’ ratings were always at the bottom lol (along with the hometown Tigers). I always knew them as the bad team, and it made me wanna see them do good. I never liked seeing the same teams always doing good.
I was rooting for them when they had their playoff runs in 12-15. Disappointing nothing came from it.
Would be cool to see them get something going. Upper management can be a major team killer & my Tigers are trying to figure that out right now. Would love to go back to PNC. Even Pittsburgh is great, the mountains & water surrounding a big city was surreal. Michigan is so flat & boring in comparison lol
@@MattLemonsackMusic Hey I got into sports much thanks to video games too. I mean, I played sports as a kid and into my young adulthood but I didn't follow them on TV or the stats.
But thanks to playing NCAA Football, Madden and NHL I got into following sports for real. Changed into a huge NFL and NHL fan but baseball was never something I was big on. Unfortunately in no small part because my hometown team has done so poorly during my 32 years of life.
They've been trapped in this middle of the road, pretending they can develop a world series team but they've been awful at developing state of being. The management wouldn't trade assets when they were worth the most and would demand so much that their value would tank before finally trading them.
They did that for years and years and we're really hoping the new management will change that. Though I don't follow them really so I can't say I've been keeping up. I just know Bob Nutting is a miserly owner, he won't invest in the team in hopes of growing their appeal and reach. He just wants to make a profit so keeps payroll low or at least preferred it that way with Neal Huntington.
But I can totally relate to wanting to see an underdog succeed. That's something I've done in every sport. The Pirates hopefully will one day improve back to their 70's relevance but nobody in the Pirates sphere of fandom expects anything anymore. They just wait to see improvement. Or at least 99% of them do.
I remember watching the Bengals last year, even as a Steelers fan and being well aware of the heated rivalry they share, being thrilled to see the underdog Bengals make it to the Super Bowl. It's always something I cheer for. It's why I cheer for the Toronto Maple Leafs after the Pittsburgh Penguins. While they're not really underdogs anymore as they've assembled a talented team, they can never get out of the first round of the playoffs and their fans haven't had a championship since 1967.
I hope the Tigers get back to relevance too and win another series in honor of Mike Illitch. He always wanted them to win one under his ownership, even if he didn't manage things properly. And considering what he did for the Red Wings, it would have been so cool if they'd have won one while he was still around.
Also, I too appreciate Pittsburgh's beauty. It absolutely is a fairly under rated charming city. But I'm sure Detroit has plenty to like and it's a lot easier to see the beauty of something from an outside perspective. Which is why I try to keep my perspective on sports neutral and not go too far into a homer mind set.
@@adamg7984 I played soccer as a little kid, but ended up loving hockey because of NHL. Ironically it was the only sport I didn’t end up playing lol. I actually picked all my favorite teams through the games because picking the home team seemed too easy, I wanted to pick my own. Stayed loyal too lol
The situation with Pirates’ ownership seems similar to the Lions. Except the trades like the ones in this video are more unique to baseball & an easier way to throw away success. The Lions’ failures have resulted in all kinds of conspiracies with the Fords lol. I’d imagine that happens with any constantly losing team.
I was hoping for the orioles to actually get a playoff berth this year, but we still got Mariners which is really cool to see. Except the Tigers now have the shared longest drought in AL…
The Wings & Tigers were powerhouses when I was growing up (didn’t get really into baseball until I played it in 05 so I didn’t experience the early 00’s Tigers lol) so it’s weird that they’re the underdogs now. At least my other teams (Avs and Braves) have spoiled me lol. I miss the local playoff atmosphere; I took it for granted lol.
I’d like to see the Leafs do well too. It’s fun to laugh at how they’re seemingly cursed, but their fans deserve a payoff lol.
I was rooting for the Panthers in the Eastern conference this year but that was disappointing.
love your channel, love your content, love your vibe, and you are going to do big things! keep up the great work but remember to have fun.
As a pirates fan My grandfather’s right the Pirates are the modern farm system in the MLB. As soon as we get a good player, we trade him away and all that nice new talent know we traded away and guess what we are not going to tag we are going to make sure we’re just profit off the bottom line. When will that owner? Please sell the team
I don't care what anyone says, the Baez play is the funniest thing ever. Rizzo dying in the dugout makes it even funnier
I first started watching baseball in about 2010. And as a Pittsburgh native, it was so much fun to watch that team. Now I've suffered for the past 5 years. Our future is looking up though
Pirates fan, born one month after the 1992 series.. but I was in school at Mizzou and chose to attend game TWO against the Cardinals in the NLDS. First *real* postseason win of my life, and I got to see it in person while being old enough to drink legally. Great vid, man.
(I stopped watching at the 5:17 mark because I don't need to relive it. I assume you talk about the Wild Card game against MadBum.. which I flew back to Pittsburgh to attend)
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This is the life of a Pirates fan. PAIN. I'm old enough to remember the '90-92 teams and then watching it all come apart in '93, 20 years of losing baseball, then given hope only to have some nobody GM stuck with the most miserly owner baseball has seen in the last 50 years ruin it all.
Dude! I am a Nats and Cub Fan who saw... saw... 69... So pffft!
@@stormbringer1876 Hey, at least you have World Series wins for both of those teams in recent memory!
Exactly!! I’m 42 raised 15 miles north of Pittsburgh. Still remember the 92 game.. there’s variables to the situation but Nutting the owner is the main cause.
@@stormbringer1876 you want a medal, congrats as we can complain being a black n gold sports town proud of our teams, pist or happy with them.
@@ICLight412 I'm 43, from about 40 miles north of the city originally but since moved closer. That team was my childhood and it got shredded in front of my face.
As a Braves fan, I've been telling people for a couple years now, that I really feel for fans of both the Pirates and Reds franchises. Both being good are good for baseball especially when you consider their rich history. Remember that each has 5 (FIVE) rings, and the Pirates last won in 1979! That's a pretty big deal when you think about the fact that most teams don't even have 1 or 2, and the Braves just won their 4th last year. I guess my second team would be the Reds since my Grandparents on my dad's side were from Ohio and I would always wear a Reds hat when I was just a wee lad.
The problem is that both franchises have been essentially run into the ground by bad FO decisions and/or complete apathy with regard to fielding a good product. And it's sad. I especially feel for Reds fans because their owners really don't give a crap at all.
Please explain how the Pirates or Reds can possibly keep pace with the top half of the MLB under current economic structure. The Royals are the lone exception for 25 years or more. Rays have gotten close but not pulled through. That's it.
@@closethockeyfan5284 ?
@@HomeStudioBasics Typical large-market fan with no clue about economic realities of MLB
@@closethockeyfan5284 Passive-aggressive much? I don't claim to have all the answers. I'm just saying that those 2 teams being good is good for baseball (in my opinion) because of their rich history.
It takes owners who care about winning, a strong farm system, and a GM who knows what the heck he's doing. Sort of like the Braves and Anthopoulos. Not really rocket science. The Braves have always been middle of the pack in salary/payroll over the years but they know how to maneuver and generally make very smart business decisions with regards to players and trades. Does it take more than the Pirates and Reds are currently spending? Absolutely. They just have the wrong people at the helm. And it's certainly not *all* about money. Just ask the Dodgers, Yankees, Mets, and Phillies about that.
There's absolutely no reason why the Reds or Pirates can't be good again, but as mentioned in my OP, it comes down to the front office.
@@HomeStudioBasics Sure, let me ask the Yankees and their zero losing seasons this century, the Dodgers and their so many recent division crowns and easy playoff berths I lost track, and teams from the NL East are moot because they're all big markets, even if Miami doesnt function like one for the Marlins (though because of that they have also been stuck in futility, to my point). In the same way, most teams in the Central divisions are small markets, which explains how teams from those divisions poke through, though even there the sustained dominance years of Detroit and St. Louis (which functions like a big market in baseball and always has) can't be denied.
The Braves spend middle to upper, and they can afford to get in the top 10 when making a push. Pirates and Reds can't make the top 15. The successes like Tampa Bay and (until recently, because it wasn't financially viable anymore) Cleveland are the exceptions, the anomalies, not the rule. Small markets need to be darn near perfect and stay within a budget, whereas the Dodgers, Yankees, Red Sox, etc. can blow $20M+ per on half a lineup and have them all suffer bad injuries or performance problems without batting an eye. Braves can take on at least one, probably two of those. Pirates and Reds torpedo their windows if they try that just once and it blows up, doomed to irrelevance or at least uncompetitive mediocrity for several years. Yankees, Dodgers, etc. don't even understand the concept of windows because they can perpetually compete by waving their dollars. And I wonder who's able to invest the most in the best staff and R&D surrounding the teams.
Absolutely ridiculous to insist the money isn't the foremost determining factor, that anyone losing is merely incompetent. It's statistically proven as a stronger correlation of dollars to wins than any other major pro team sport in the country, and it's not close. Big markets can sell out virtually every game. Small markets struggle to sell out weekdays even when they *win!* Just look at aforementioned Cleveland and Tampa Bay--and no, the Trop's problems are not so far gone that people would be unwilling to watch great baseball. There sinply are not enough.
"Absolutely no reason," give me a break. There are 300 million on the Dodgers alone. The chasm between haves and have-nots grows increasingly mammoth each year, painfully clear to many people who got fed up with the lack of parity and tuned out. I don't blame them--why waste their time when MLB clearly wants to maintain this system as long as possible? People will watch guys fiddle with their batting gloves and call time every pitch across three-plus hours if their team has any chance, but the mirages continue to be fewer and fewer. It's not the pace of play or three true outcomes or foul balls. Big markets have attendance as strong as ever. The problem is the disparity, so unmissable in the hurting franchises that people give up.
This was just overall very well-made and extremely entertaining. Very witty narration and highly informative. Great vid!!
I remembered those priates squads had great pitching but I forgot it was Beckett, Cole, Lireano, Morton....that's a hell of a rotation 😳 👌 👏
They had some of the best pitching in baseball during that three year run. They just never could get the bats going. The players we counted on like Marte or McCutchen never showed up in the postseason. Most of the runs batted in during 2013 were Byrd and Alvarez.
Crazy how Shane Baz and Bryan Hayes both went to the same highschool and that I happen to go that that highschool. They both have their names written on the wall of the press box of the baseball field.
You are better than Jomboy. Never stop! Your passion, dark sense of humor and command of the game and it’s history set you apart. Awesome work!
I'm a Yankees Fan and Jomboy is a clown. I can't stand him and all the ignorant people that work for him.
crazy NBA legend Steve Nash does this sport video essays, keep up the good work and good luck with the back
yes it is me Steve Nash
As a long-suffering Bucco fan, this video is cathartic to me.
I used to love the Pirates but once they gutted team I quit watching baseball completely. Pirates had some great likeable personalities and a large portion were homegrown guys. Losing all of them just took away the fun of watching.
Im from New Orleans,so i dont have a baseball team but i love baseball in general. Me personally i felt Cole wasn't that good with the pirates at the time,so i understood the pirates front office making the trade. Living in Texas now,i get a lot of Ranger/ Astros games and when Cole went to the Stros,he had a pitching development team that helped him with his attributes. Nevertheless, being a Pelicans fan i understand your frustration.
He was good with us. The issue pretty much was that he was going to get an absolute bomb of a contract and the Pirates weren't going to be able to provide that kind of money.
The Monsters Inc. song immediately playing after the words Chris Archer was too perfect 🤣🤣. Great job man. You earned a new subscriber
(Edit: THE GLORY OF METS BASEBALL, EDLOSE DIAZ)
u deserve way more subs jesus
I stuck it out after the playoff trinity cause I'd been to games with Altoona against Akron in AA ball. I thought that by 2018-19, this team could legitimately contend. I even met Austin Meadows, dude is a great guy. Then the Archer trade. The McCutchen fire sale made me very wary to root for the main team, but the Archer trade made me give up entirely. Hail to the Guardians, at least they don't haphazardly give up on prospects.
Edit: I was also at game 3 in 2013 with my family. The only other game I've been to with even comparable energy was the Cubs ending the curse in 2016.
This is my favorite video so far on this channel.
The Kyle Tucker/Ted Williams bit was great
It's hard to be a Pirates fan. I had really thought we turned a corner during this period, but it all came crashing down.
Holy shit the 2015 NL Central was a bloodbath. Two teams with 98 and 97 wins facing on the wild card.
I always wanted a young baseball history/analysis UA-camr that was biased toward the Astros.
Here he is!
I got in some trouble with the law. The judge sentenced me to attend 5 Pirate games. I asked if I could just go to jail. The judge said I wasn't getting off that easy.
Everyone acts like the Archer trade killed the team. It didn't. So they traded a pitcher and a position player that they probably wouldn't end up signing anyway to try ant get a proven starter. The fact that they didn't sign any of the other pitchers (Volquez, Happ, etc) and got little value for many subsequent trades are what really derailed them.
I hate you for making me relive that blown save😂
"Dumb stupid McDumbface" lololol
Or you could've just called him "Beta Joe"
The pirates honestly such a dope franchise. I wanna see them win a World Series.
Are you insane we have arguably the worst owners in baseball they refuse to spend money which is why we can’t keep anyone or build anything. Trash franchise since 1996 when nutting bought it
@@Gixsir the owner =/= the franchise.
I would love to see the pirates just be decent. 2013-2016 I was so happy watching my team. Now I check scores every now and then and watch games when I can
Holy shit man, im 47 seconds into this video and ive already subbed, this looks awesome, keep it up man. I got you in my recommended your future is brighter than the Pirates...
Edit: Hey man, so I got some nostalgia from the name Francisco Cabrera, so I looked up his stats, you know better than I do but I think a video on his 1992 12 game run of his 238 OPS+ could be a really good video topic. Have a good night mate :)
I loved this video gonna watch everything you've ever made now
It has been obvious for at least 6 or so years that this is the most poorly run franchise in baseball. But damn going through all the terrible moves over the years is just brutal to watch.
I dunno, the A's organization is in pretty bad shape.
@@twillison8824 I would say the only difference is that I trust the A's organization to collect and develop young talent FAR more than I trust the Pirates.
I disagree, all sorts of examples that have done little (if any) more despite much larger markets and more favorable circumstances.
White Sox and Padres until recently went through failed spree after failed spending spree, which the Mariners have kept doing--never even made the five-team playoff format, if I recall correctly. I'd definitely put the Mariners at the top.
Rangers and Angels have run their teams into the ground year after year also, despite enormous cash flow, and one of them has arguably the two most electrifying superstars in the game! Tigers look like they might've come short on their rebuild; what have they done lately?
Royals have done very little over the same span outside of the two years in the World Series. One could easily argue they had the luck while the Pirates didn't (see 2013-15 St. Louis Cardinals). That's really the only difference.
What in the world are the Rockies and Reds doing, for that matter? Where is any semblance of success from the Marlins since their last Series win almost two decades ago?
great video, not even a Pirates fan but still a fun watch
Most underrated channel💯
This is the best channel on UA-cam.
This is absolutely incredible man! Keep up this elite content!
I'm not a huge baseball fan, but I was friends with Josh Bell in high school. Sat next to him and Jordan Spieth (pro golfer) in Spanish 3 and used to help them with homework before class nearly every day. So I decided to be a Pirates fan when he got drafted. I remember being so excited watching those first at bats you went over. Good times.
all your videos are incredible we need more! especially after playoff baseball
You gotta look into players the reds have drafted or had in the organization and lost. It’s unbelievable
@It's Mike my son was the little guy that got carried off by rays players earlier in the year, and that moment made me question my fandom. The Castellinis drive me absolutely crazy
I was at the cubs game when bell got a grand slam. As a cubs fan I was angry but im happy a game i was at made your channel.
You're channel is my new favorite sports channel to watch! I definitely want to see more and dont change a thing!
Awesome video my guy, cant believe I didnt find you earlier. bout to watch all your baseball videos. Keep up the good work!!
as a life long pirates fan I miss those playoff days so much, but I can tell they are coming again soon. Lot of players coming up soon I'm excited to see how it all works out
it will not workout. ownership will not let it work out.
What are you smoking
I've never laughed harder at a baseball video than the meme you put at 22:15
Game 5 of the 2017 World Series with gurreil homer run that propelled us back from 3-1 and joe musgrove actually starting his career in Houston less get it baby
Absolutely love the Astros love in this video
I was really excited to see the pirates getting good finally, but they dropped the ball big time
Charlie Morton got revived in Houston. The man won the World Series.
Charlie Morton was actually traded to Philadelphia for a non prospect in AA at the time. Philadelphia couldn’t do anything with him either and let him go to Houston who “fixed” him.
Literally being an actual pirate seems like it's pretty similar to being a Pirates fan, it looks and sounds like it'd be cool but in reality it's a pretty shitty painful existence.
Astros legend alydemas Diaz??? Your goated!
As a Cardinals fan, this was a fantastic video!
St. Cardinals= cheaters
Mcqwuire- steroids
Pujhols- steroids
Holliday- steroids
My god! The commentary for this video is hilarious! Well done!!! I had to subscribe.
As a Astros fan I love funny man that smiles
I love that the 2013 NLDS was sponsored by Mike Trout. What a unit.
Awesome video, the Pirates are fascinating to me as a Cards fan
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25:10 I was at that game when Jacob stallings walked it off against the Mets. It was even better in person
Can’t forget about Tyler Anderson too, he was alright with the bucs and now he’s a great pitcher for the dodgers
As a rays fan, I thank you Pittsburgh
Pirates had such a good team but got fleeced over and over
Nah, really only once, and it was the Archer trade when they were stuck in mediocrity
@@closethockeyfan5284 what about the cole trade
@@checkadime8779 The guy literally said before the draft he was going to be a Yankee the first chance he got. Nobody was going to have him beyond Year 6. That ensured his trade value remained at the sole two years of control. Musgrove turned out pretty well. Feliz fell off. Moran had some value but then tapered off from sheer slowness. Martin couldn't quite make the leap. It's odd because at the time Feliz and Martin were called the best pieces of the deal. It was insufficient value mainly because it was dispersed over four players, but a fleecing it was not. People also like to downplay that Cole was coming off a very unimpressive year.
Fleeced their morons who won’t spend so can’t compete it’s that simple every prospect becomes good and gets traded then possibly becomes a superstar
This guy makes a great video and commentary is even better.
you better keep uploading my guy your channel is about to blow up
I love how the pirates can beat the Dodgers 5-1 this year with a series sweep and still finish the season under .400. There’s only 28 games left. Let’s see if they can finish below .350.
mfw when the Pirates go 5-1 against the Dodgers but can't even finish 4th in the NL Central
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I've been a Bucs fan over 50 years and I have to say this was a funny video!
17:09 through 17:55 may be the best 36 seconds of video ever crafted
I know nothing about baseball, I came here for the commentary
My favorite baseball channel keep it up buddy
The mistake was them being under the current ownership group. You cannot sum up the past 20 years of my life as a pirates fans other than "oh look talent in the farm system, it would be a shame if we...traded them for draft picks." How many years until we can stop trading for futures. I have seen a total of trye 3 playoff contender years, and they weren't even really contenders. God, why do the worst teams have the best ballparks tho.
You should have way more subs, this content is top notch!
As Rays fans we were so happy the Pirates took Chris Archer off our mound to be their so-called "Ace"
Pirates GM at the time of the worst trade in history was Neal Huntington. He still has not commented on what on earth he was thinking basically giving up the entire farm system for Chris Archer. It is almost a textbook case of know when to say no, even if you like a guy. Tampa's asking price was laughable by any metric. Three former number 1 draft picks? And they foolishly agreed to it. It is mind boggling.
The trade was not only a disaster for who was traded, but it also exposed how awful the Pirates were at development. The fact Tampa could fix Glasnow in like a day after struggling a long time with Pittsburgh was just a further insult to us Pirate fans.
spectacular work here, like everything i love about a baseball video rolled into one thing. well done
Damn, your videos are funny af. You’re definitely gonna blow up soon, glad to say I subbed before 5k
That bit at 17:26 with Josh Bell is flippin hilarious!
Sid Bream going from 2nd to home on a single to LF to end a franchise ... ouch.
And Tyler Anderson was pitching when they made that blunder against the Cubs. He's having a breakout season with the Dodgers this year
add him to the list
Wonder why they fell apart after '13. They had the talent and passion. Now, they're rebuilding.
sometimes you just regress
The game changed. The early 2010s was this weird time period where the infield shift rose to prominence but StatCast wasn't a thing yet. Also, the ball was deadened. This meant pitching coach Ray Searage's "pitch to contact" philosophy was a huge success. However, in the second half of the 2010s, the advent of StatCast led to launch angle optimization and on top of that Manfred juiced the ball. So Searage's pitch to contact philosophy quickly became obsolete as baseball transitioned into a "three true outcomes" game, and when we as a franchise refused to adapt, we were left in the dust. Shelton and Cherington are analytics guys so they're up to date with the trends of the game but they were left with a terrible team so their process will take several years. Hopefully they can make it work.
I was at the game where Bell had his first hit, and then I was watching on TV the next night when he crushed that monster grand slam. Me and my brother lost our minds. I was around 16 during their run, what a time that was, like you say they had talent, passion, and they also had an identity. Battlin' Bucs. Even though they came up short, those playoff years saved me, a childhood of awful season after awful season nearly took the love of baseball out of me. They are back in the leagues basement these days, but I'll always be a Buccos fan, I'll reminiscence of these, the good ol days until they give me something new to be excited about.
@@ryansmith1044 100%, though Cherington and Shelton seem like they can't take care of even the most basic roster management issues.
@@closethockeyfan5284 Yeah it's not looking good at the moment but hopefully they figure it out
Fast forward to 2023.
good for them honestly
Morton wasn't the pitcher he is now when he was on the pirates. They had the right idea to let him go at the time. Also Alvarez completely fell apart on defense so he didn't really work in the NL especially with Josh Harrison doing his thing. Shame
crazy how every pitcher that left became at the very least good
@@justmaxproductions A few, yes, but the Pirates of the early and mid-2010s also turned a good number of pitchers' careers around, some of which you mentioned here. They were on the cutting edge in the first half of the decade but got complacent.
@@justmaxproductions guess they didn't have the same substance err tech
Instead of letting everybody pitch to their own strengths they tried to turn all their pitchers into guys who relied on 2 seam fastballs to get groundouts. Some guys like AJ Burnett excelled. But making Cole, Morton and Glasnow throw sinkers instead of attacking guys with their upper 90s fastballs was dumb and it didn't work. This gets blamed on their old pitching coach Ray Searage but it wasn't his fault. He wanted to start turning those guys loose but the front office wouldn't adjust and had them keep doing the ground ball thing.
@@bobross1550 Very true. Stubbornness was a big element in the regime's downfall, cliche though that sounds.
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6 of those prospects went to AL east 5 still there. The archer for glasnow and meadows trade is an all time terrible trade gotta be in the top 5
That team needed to be split up. Cole was a Boris client and wasn’t gonna sign long term in Pittsburgh. Cutch/Marte we’re signed long term in Pittsburgh and both their deals were coming to an end and both were on the wrong side of 30 years old.
They gave it one last shot with Archer(who btw, was the prize at that trade deadline).
Glasnow can’t stay healthy, Meadows is ok and did have an AS season in TB but the Pirates drafted Travis Swaggerty that year, 10th overall and was seen as a better CF and a polished college bat that would be quick to Majors(which didn’t work out but that was the thought). So Meadows was seen as expendable.
And Joe Musgrove being apart of the Cole return means that Endy Rodriguez and D.Bendar are part Gerrit Cole trade tree. Bryan Eeynolds was the return for Cutch. Liover Peguero for Marte. Roansy Contreras for J.Tallion. Jack Suwinski for Adam Frazier. Wil Crowe for Josh Bell; which isn’t great but they also traded Josh Bell at his lowest value(after a really bad 2020 season). And W.Crowe still has some trade value so if they end up trading him, who knows
Add Oneil Cruz for Tony Watson and the returns for those players were all pretty good. Plus 4 years of tanking and high draft picks and the Pirates should be competitive in 2023 and beyond.
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argh Spongeboy me bob Michael Wacha is no hitting us through 7
As a life long pirates fan this video brings a lot of pain lol. The funny part is Huntington always said they'll spend the money on players once the team was ready to compete..every year since the wild card loses their payroll did not go the correct way. Cherrington seems to have the team heading in the right direction but that remains to be seen.
tbf they couldn't develop pitchers if their lives depended on it
@@justmaxproductions you are correct about that and it still holds true to this day. BUT that's where they could have spent their money. They could have had a solid lineup had they not traded them all away and spent their money on pitching. I could go through the list of terrible hitters they have replaced guys like Cutch, Marte, Walker, Harrison, Meadows, and Bell with but I dont want to take myself into that dark place lol
It's like a game of Jenga, remove the wrong piece, the whole thing collapses.