HOW TO COAL FIRE A BOILER - MODEL STEAM ENGINES FOR BEGINNERS #5

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    MODEL STEAM ENGINES FOR BEGINNERS #5 - COAL FIRING A BOILER
    How to operate a coal fired model steam boiler. Useful hints & tips on how to successfully caol fire a steam boiler.

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  • @Scobragon
    @Scobragon 7 років тому +8

    I came for model steam engines, and I stayed for the dry humor.

  • @PalomboDylan
    @PalomboDylan 10 років тому +6

    please don't take this off of youtube. I love this video!!!

    • @Gersberms
      @Gersberms 5 років тому

      Why would he do that?

  • @keithappleton
    @keithappleton  11 років тому +4

    I bought the boiler a while back from a man in the New Forest (UK) & the pump was built by a friend of mine Don English - an exceptional model engineer .... I put them both together & made them work.

    • @harrybobb6764
      @harrybobb6764 2 роки тому

      Hi Keith do you have this boiler still I want know if you want to consider selling it

  • @keithappleton
    @keithappleton  11 років тому +3

    I thank you all for your good comments :-)

  • @glumpy10
    @glumpy10 10 років тому +5

    Thanks for putting up this video. Very interesting and informative and I appreciate the time you took to do it.

  • @icefire001
    @icefire001 9 років тому +3

    This is awesome Keith. Completely taken with steam. I remember shoveling coal, yes coal. into my grandfathers furnace on his farm. I've since grown up loving trains and steam. I just "discovered" live steam in searching for a model railroad to build and I'm definitely going to go with a coal fired live steam engine. Expensive... But in my eyes well worth it and will be regarded as an heirloom to be passed down to my son.
    I am wanting to build a boiler as well to possibly power a generator of some sorts, kind of like a science project only functional. Are there any guides or books to get to learn about building one ? The size you have demonstrated here would be perfect.

  • @mattiasjohansson7718
    @mattiasjohansson7718 10 років тому +2

    Is the Water pump (principally) a steam engine whiteout a "flywheel" and a cylinder that is connected to a pump (compressor-cylinder?) instead of a "flywheel"?

    • @keithappleton
      @keithappleton  10 років тому +2

      Yes, with an internal shuttle piston operating a second slide valve to make the pump self starting.

  • @Deathsaber435
    @Deathsaber435 Рік тому +1

    mate id be careful with them oily rags ive known a few people to have oily rags self combust

    • @keithappleton
      @keithappleton  Рік тому

      I can't say that I have ever seen spontaneous combustions . . .

  • @graemebrumfitt6668
    @graemebrumfitt6668 5 років тому +1

    Love this setup Keith, now I want one... but baby steps it is, first get my Stuart 10v made. Best Regards G :)

  • @raymondj8768
    @raymondj8768 7 років тому +1

    o great video im not a hobbyist i just like old type engines i drive a super Comp. dragster for a living but i stumbled across your videos and just love them ive been binge watching them all night . verry intresting stuff buddy . you are very good building and repairing them thanks great work

  • @haraldpettersen3649
    @haraldpettersen3649 5 років тому +1

    Better and better 🧐

  • @keithappleton
    @keithappleton  11 років тому

    Thanks John for the good comment. The boiler has a "wet" firebox where the fire is. With a coal fire on a dry firebox it would not be so efficient, and without fire cement or some insulation the paint would just burn off - this boiler is like a locomotive boiler with a proper "wet" firebox surrounded by water, so as the water is all around the fire which gets very hot indeed, it makes a lot of steam and is quite efficient.

  • @adamjames710
    @adamjames710 9 років тому +2

    Where can you get coal fired boiler from? Do you recommend any brands of boiler and steam engine.

    • @keithappleton
      @keithappleton  9 років тому +1

      I can't recommend any brands because most coal fired boilers are custom made.

    • @mosialive
      @mosialive 9 років тому +2

      There's a company called John Thompson here in south africa. It manufactures Coal fired and oil fired boilers

  • @73Datsun180B
    @73Datsun180B 11 років тому

    Yeah no problem. When we do overhauls at our museum, we have to re-seat the safety valves if they blow off more than 10 psi which at 180 psi is a loss of 18% of potential power. You never notice this as it only take a few seconds to blow off again. When your model boiler was blowing off from 70 psi down to 50 psi, that was a loss of 30% of potential power lol!

  • @mattseymour8637
    @mattseymour8637 6 років тому +1

    When firing using anthracite my fire goes out frequently and struggling keeping steam. Any tips for me?

    • @keithappleton
      @keithappleton  6 років тому

      Insufficient draft probably. If there isn't enough air travelling through the fire it will go out.

    • @mattseymour8637
      @mattseymour8637 5 років тому

      Is house coal better for when starting out firing?

    • @OfficialUSKRprogram
      @OfficialUSKRprogram 4 роки тому +1

      Bituminous coal burns easier, anthracite burns hotter, like gasoline vs diesel. Try bituminous coal unless you've got ways to easily increase draft.

    • @mattseymour8637
      @mattseymour8637 2 роки тому

      @@OfficialUSKRprogram Thanks will do that. I'm going to try some soft dry Welsh steam coal. What coal do you recommend?

  • @keithappleton
    @keithappleton  11 років тому

    Your pop safety valves are obviously much better than mine then, the safety valve in the video is a new one and seems to snap shut slower when new, but after a while settles down with around a 10psi drop usually . . . Thank you for your constructive comment.

  • @nukl466
    @nukl466 9 років тому +1

    Another perfect video, Thanks Keith.

  • @keithappleton
    @keithappleton  11 років тому

    Now you mention it - yes, although I am not from Liverpool like Ringo :-)

  • @BackshopRailProductions
    @BackshopRailProductions 9 років тому

    Hello Keith, I want to have a coal fired steam plant built. Could you put me in contact with someone who could help me out with this project? I want to use this in my high school science class. I'd really appreciate any help and advice you can give me.

    • @keithappleton
      @keithappleton  9 років тому

      +Heath Nicks There are some companies in the UK that build coal fired boilers. They are expensive and need boiler fittings etc. Also the boiler would need a test by a qualified boiler tester if it was for public use. I build complete steam plants, only as and when the parts come along. Shipping would be very expensive too as the parts are very heavy.

  • @stranraerwal
    @stranraerwal 9 років тому

    a beautiful boiler and a very interesting pump-system.
    A very useful and enlightening video-very well moderated !
    Thanks for sharing .

  • @grhinson
    @grhinson 4 роки тому

    How do you get this thing up to say...88 MPH?

  • @pauln1557
    @pauln1557 4 роки тому

    Hi Keith,
    How do you size a boiler for a given engine size, are there any rules of thumb?
    For instance, what size boiler is required to steam a little Stuart 10V, under load powering a boat or a generator set?
    I have my 10V casting set, so now I'm thinking - where am I going to get the steam to run it!
    Regards Paul

    • @keithappleton
      @keithappleton  4 роки тому

      a 3 1/2 in diameter vertical or horizontal boiler will be fine for a Stuart 10V.

  • @keithappleton
    @keithappleton  11 років тому

    I got mine from Ebay, they frequently come up on there.

  • @dgautomotivefabrications5817
    @dgautomotivefabrications5817 8 років тому

    Hi Keith I've bought my 2" traction engine your videos are great for me
    Thanks Dylan

  • @73Datsun180B
    @73Datsun180B 11 років тому

    Seriously bro your safety blows off for 20 psi, that's fucking useless. After 20 years of both model and full size engine operating, I find the pop type safety valves on all the models I've had only drop 5 psi and all the traction engines and locos I've fired/driven with ramsbottom and pop type safety valves only drop 10 psi. I think you should replace it!

  • @ELPaso1990TX
    @ELPaso1990TX 5 років тому

    Really enjoyed that. Whats the cheapest price a boiler like this would cost to buy, even if it requires repairs?

    • @keithappleton
      @keithappleton  5 років тому

      I gave this one to a disabled friend of mine and he got over £500.00 for it on Ebay I think. It is a good boiler. I removed the base, the whistle and the hand pump before I gave it to him.

  • @WayneSA85
    @WayneSA85 11 років тому

    Excellent video Keith! Sound knowledge, applicable to boilers of all sizes.

  • @ELPaso1990TX
    @ELPaso1990TX 9 років тому

    What is the diameter of your boiler and how thick is the steel it's made of? I'm curious because I'm planning on building a miniature steam loco boiler.
    Would iron drain pipe or an old steel fire extinguisher be suitable?
    Thanks

  • @modelsp4684
    @modelsp4684 9 років тому

    A very Informative Tutorial,,Many thanks for your efforts and for sharing with us Minions

  • @TheLordLaing
    @TheLordLaing 9 років тому +1

    Keith, i'm working my way through your excellent videos so i apologise if my question is answered in one of them. I was wondering what type of water you use in your boilers. Is deionised water or De mineralised water ok to use?

    • @keithappleton
      @keithappleton  9 років тому +1

      +Mr-Laing Ordinary tap water - I live in a "soft water" area

    • @bemoahmad9756
      @bemoahmad9756 6 років тому

      Can I use distilled water?

    • @harrybobb6764
      @harrybobb6764 2 роки тому

      @@keithappleton hello I want to know if your interested in selling this boiler if you have it still I need it for a steam launch boat for a Stuart turner cygnet steam engine

    • @jonesthesteam
      @jonesthesteam Рік тому

      @@bemoahmad9756I use distilled water for my model steam engine. I don’t know about full size. I hope this answers your question.

  • @mollypenderson2851
    @mollypenderson2851 4 роки тому

    The hotter the fire the more steam and the more steam the faster the engine right???

    • @keithappleton
      @keithappleton  4 роки тому

      That's more or less what happens . . . The hotter the fire the more steam and the more steam the faster the engine and the faster the engine (or if the engine is pulling a heavy load) the exhaust blasting up the chimney drags more air into the fire and it gets even hotter . . .

  • @Erikdc14
    @Erikdc14 7 років тому

    i need some help on a homemade train that runs off steam and coal the pipe for the smoke to come out of through the tank is lower than the top of the door do i need to lower the door (make it smaller) for the coal to burn it seems like it doesnt have enough oxygen

  • @leoisherwood4829
    @leoisherwood4829 Рік тому

    hi keith, ive always wondered what the ticking noise is at 4:50?

    • @keithappleton
      @keithappleton  Рік тому

      Did you not watch the entire video? it is the noise that the Steam Pump makes when it is pumping water into the boiler . . . .

  • @thevacuumtubejunky9774
    @thevacuumtubejunky9774 7 років тому

    Beautiful piece of machinery. Thank you for sharing!.
    Kind regards!
    Eric Dee

  • @ogreunderbridge5204
    @ogreunderbridge5204 5 років тому

    Yes, I found it very useful. Thank you !

  • @abecoulter18
    @abecoulter18 6 років тому

    Where can I get one of these boilers and pumps sent to New Zealand

  • @internationaltoyandmodelst7580
    @internationaltoyandmodelst7580 9 років тому

    very NICE VIDEO AND A COOL LOOKING BOILER / ENGINE SET UP

  • @peteacher52
    @peteacher52 10 років тому

    Well presented - interesting and informative.

  • @lathanluu4535
    @lathanluu4535 8 років тому +1

    did you build the boiler

    • @keithappleton
      @keithappleton  8 років тому +2

      +Carolina coaster No I didn't build it.

  • @ELPaso1990TX
    @ELPaso1990TX 9 років тому

    Why do full sized steam locomotives not need blowers to get the fire going like miniature locomotives and small boilers do?

    • @cwhuffman01
      @cwhuffman01 9 років тому

      ELPaso1990TX All full sized steam locomotives do have blowers, most of the time they arnt very relevant and noticeable, but the same concept on a large steam engine is the same for a model steam engine, to increase the draft on the fire (so it doesn't go out) while no exhaust is being created. In the case of a steam locomotive or traction engine, that is while the engine is setting still.

    • @trainzillamodelrailroading9905
      @trainzillamodelrailroading9905 9 років тому

      Our traction engine has a blower.

  • @carburetedseltzer120
    @carburetedseltzer120 9 років тому

    Can you run coal on any steam engine?

    • @keithappleton
      @keithappleton  9 років тому

      Josiah Aston If you have a suitable grate and firebox arrangement. But coal fired boilers are generally designed and built as such.

  • @chubby7570
    @chubby7570 11 років тому

    where can i find one of those fans?where did you get it from?

  • @jonohoff
    @jonohoff 9 років тому

    I love it! That is a beautiful little build!

  • @EverydayADV
    @EverydayADV 7 років тому

    Hey Keith, is coke okay to use to fire a boiler like this or a steam locomotive? Coke is much cheaper to get in my country and I find it hard to buy anthracite coal. TIA, Tom.

    • @keithappleton
      @keithappleton  7 років тому +1

      Should be OK, I personally have never used Coke, and I haven't used Heroin either :-)))

  • @pavman1000
    @pavman1000 7 років тому

    Very cool,Love steam it is alive!

  • @pavman1000
    @pavman1000 7 років тому

    I want one of these boilers so awesome!

  • @JackMiller-zm8ue
    @JackMiller-zm8ue 7 років тому

    Is the blow of point loud on a 75psi

  • @9sec93lx
    @9sec93lx 9 років тому

    Thanks for the very informative and entertaining video Keith.
    Is there a formula for sizing a boiler with a particular size steam engine.
    I'm trying to figure out my boiler for a 6 cu. in. engine, any suggestions???

    • @keithappleton
      @keithappleton  9 років тому

      Best Racing Tips Win At The Dragstrip A general rule is the bigger boiler the better. A bigger boiler allows a bigger fire & holds more water so therefore needs less attention than a small one as regards water level replenishment.

  • @danes3dfaberik403
    @danes3dfaberik403 4 роки тому

    Where can I buy this steam engine

  • @mattseymour8637
    @mattseymour8637 7 років тому

    Very good video! is this the same fireing technique for the 1 inch gauge traction engines?

    • @keithappleton
      @keithappleton  7 років тому

      Yes, coal firing generally follows the same principle regardless of the type & size of the boiler.

  • @dansteam2
    @dansteam2 9 років тому

    Have a sub! very good video indeed

  • @londonalicante
    @londonalicante 11 років тому

    Anyone told you, you sound like Ringo Starr narrating Thomas the Tank Engine?

  • @RichardGMoss
    @RichardGMoss 10 років тому

    Are there fire tubes or just a jacket around the chimney?

  •  10 років тому

    wow, where did you get that?

  • @pavman1000
    @pavman1000 7 років тому

    I would like to buy one of these if you built it.....did you build it .....if not where could I buy one?

    • @keithappleton
      @keithappleton  7 років тому

      I didn't build it, I just assembled the Steam Plant and piped the Steam Pump to the boiler.

  • @mattseymour8637
    @mattseymour8637 7 років тому

    Hi there, thanks for that.
    Is little and often best?

    • @keithappleton
      @keithappleton  7 років тому

      Not necessarily, it's a balancing act between coal & water . . . . .

  • @brushbros
    @brushbros 10 років тому

    Is it correct to say that the same principles apply to even the largest steam engine?

    • @keithappleton
      @keithappleton  10 років тому

      Yes, the principle is basically the same

  • @Pef273
    @Pef273 10 років тому

    That looks like a lot of fun

  • @mattseymour8637
    @mattseymour8637 6 років тому

    Thanks for that. How do I improve the draft?

    • @keithappleton
      @keithappleton  6 років тому

      I can only go into detail for my "Patreon" or "Paypal.me" subscribers. I just don't have the time ........

  • @samjacksonist
    @samjacksonist 7 років тому

    Keith, where do you purchase your water additive from?

    • @keithappleton
      @keithappleton  7 років тому +1

      If I need any, I buy from Blackgates Engineering.

  • @szymongorczynski7621
    @szymongorczynski7621 7 років тому

    Where did you get your steam coal from?

  • @Blehahib
    @Blehahib 11 років тому

    where did you get that kit ?

  • @iloveRUSSIAAA
    @iloveRUSSIAAA 9 років тому

    Is the steam blower just steam being routed up the stack to induce draft in the boiler?

    • @keithappleton
      @keithappleton  9 років тому +2

      Cessna 182a Yes. Also the engine exhaust is routed up the chimney stack to draw the fire when running.

    • @iloveRUSSIAAA
      @iloveRUSSIAAA 9 років тому

      Alright, thanks!

  • @adelmoworytko628
    @adelmoworytko628 7 років тому

    awsome video Keith

  • @pavman1000
    @pavman1000 6 років тому

    I want to buy one of these where could I get one?

    • @keithappleton
      @keithappleton  6 років тому +1

      The best one I have seen and tried out is available from www.castleinstruments.co.uk

  • @christianholbert6228
    @christianholbert6228 9 років тому

    Did you custom build this boiler? Do you have any plans or drawings?

    • @keithappleton
      @keithappleton  9 років тому

      Christian Holbert I bought the boiler more or less as you see it, all I did was test it & add the fittings etc.

    • @christianholbert6228
      @christianholbert6228 9 років тому

      Keith Appleton where did you buy it?

    • @keithappleton
      @keithappleton  9 років тому

      I bought it from a friend, you can get model steam boilers via Ebay - but be careful .....

    • @christianholbert6228
      @christianholbert6228 9 років тому

      Keith Appleton I'm trying to build a copper coal fired boiler like yours..... I wish there was a way for drawings or plans and prints of the boiler.

  • @TheSteamer71
    @TheSteamer71 11 років тому

    Interessanter Kanal! Habe ihn abonniert.

  • @foscoe2496
    @foscoe2496 7 років тому

    how can i get one

  • @carburetedseltzer120
    @carburetedseltzer120 9 років тому

    Can you run coal on a mamod steam tractor?

    • @keithappleton
      @keithappleton  9 років тому

      Josiah Aston No, not really ..........

  • @kaeirobertson9357
    @kaeirobertson9357 7 років тому

    Hi Keith. Is this boiler a single or multiple tube boiler?

  • @franknapolitano9144
    @franknapolitano9144 8 років тому

    Where can I purchase a Live Steam Boiler with the feed water pump like this ?

    • @keithappleton
      @keithappleton  8 років тому

      +Frank Napolitano I sell them - that's what I do . . . . www.mainsteam.co.uk

    • @franknapolitano9144
      @franknapolitano9144 8 років тому

      Keith Appleton Thank You. I can't seem to find the boiler listings ? is there an "add to cart" option when purchasing ?

    • @keithappleton
      @keithappleton  8 років тому +1

      +Frank Napolitano "Used Models" on any of the pages show what I currently have for sale. I am about to put some items on. There is no cart system, payment is by bank transfer after I send the invoice. Please Email me from the site and we can discuss your requirements.

  • @irf1630trains
    @irf1630trains 7 років тому

    Where can I buy this exact boiler?

    • @keithappleton
      @keithappleton  7 років тому

      You can't buy one exactly like this as it is a "one off" Design.

    • @irf1630trains
      @irf1630trains 7 років тому

      Ah, is there a similar one I can buy? Particularly stationary.

  • @l.crossjr
    @l.crossjr 6 років тому

    Why is the pump moving?

    • @keithappleton
      @keithappleton  6 років тому

      A bit of blowback from the clack valve ....

  • @icefire001
    @icefire001 8 років тому

    One question. is your boiler copper or iron/steel ?

    • @keithappleton
      @keithappleton  8 років тому

      +Matt Schuette This one is 1/4 inch thick Stainless Steel

    • @icefire001
      @icefire001 8 років тому

      Awesome, Thank you Keith. You've been inspirational in my "rise to steam" so to speak. I'm in the process of sourcing materials and tools for my first boiler, Fortunately I used to weld high pressure HVAC systems when I was younger so I have a leg up on the copper boiler thing =)

  • @nathankiewel192
    @nathankiewel192 9 років тому

    where do u buy your coal at

    • @keithappleton
      @keithappleton  9 років тому

      +Nathan Kiewel A local coal merchant - Anthracite "Beans"

  • @balazs895
    @balazs895 6 років тому

    What´s the name of the boiler

    • @keithappleton
      @keithappleton  6 років тому

      It has no name, the firehole door is from an old Stuart Boiler and the rest was made in stainless steel by a professional company many years ago.

    • @balazs895
      @balazs895 6 років тому

      Thank you☺

  • @handpuppe
    @handpuppe 7 років тому

    How much did the setup cost?

    • @keithappleton
      @keithappleton  7 років тому +2

      Quite a lot really .........

    • @handpuppe
      @handpuppe 7 років тому

      If I check the stores for a nice Steam plant. Holy cow! I mean your set is ..... ehh bigger lol So I guess... not cheap lol
      God video btw ;)