Frank Portinari following Spurs was different back then!
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- Опубліковано 9 лют 2025
- www.buymeacoff... you can now support the channel through the buy me a coffee app. Interview with Frank Portinari who tells me the story of going to Man City away on his own at 14 years old, years later going to Europe and seeing someone tooled up with a sword! Only at football! He also tells us how different football was back then. Plus much more more! Thumbnail art work by Mark McManus Casual American
January 1977,
Cardiff 1-0 Tottenham. Spurs almost got up on The Grange End but were pushed back down under the spotlight. Respect.
Probably the best interview from a football “lad” I’ve seen
a pleasure to interview hopefully Frank will come back for a part 2
Frank's story is the same for any working class kid growing up in the 60s
As a Chelsea fan we had a rivalry with spurs ask any of there boys who there no 1 rival is even above arsenal it was chelsea I've been on the wrong end of a hiding many of times but got nothing but utter respect for spurs boys in the 70s and 80s and still to this day I was involved in the Richmond fights they had good boys from Twickenham also boys meady shfrecks loads more from that area and it use to kick off at cheeky Pete's in Richmond I got friendly with some of them good days enough said
I know that to be true as a good old pal of mine was Chelsea,I'm was never involved,But he used to tell me about cheeky Pete's ,we where from Fulham,🍀🇬🇧👍🏼
@@koont666 helo mate had some good days in cheeky Pete's also a lot of mates from Fulham you will know them one of my mates brother run the pub on the estate that begins with c
Hahahaha yeah used to hang around the park starting with N And even lived on West Ken EST nice one 🍀🇬🇧👍🏼
@Redrum it use to kick off a few times in Twickenham as spurs had a good mob from that area also we were a firm from Richmond sheen putney when it did kick of it was results for both sides I got to know the spurs mob as some Chelsea slso came from the same area but it was a good row also some arsenal use to be mates with the Chelsea firm that's all I can remember also it use to kick of on new malden cant remember the name of the club but both firms were good boys
Up the Chels!
Good Interview, good account of how you fell into it at a young age, how there was an older hierarchy, Tottenham v LEEDS was always a tough day out and them coming up to Leeds too. Some absolute crackers at both grounds but as a Leeds Lad it was always the 1 we looked for down there.
Very rough ground in the late 70's up until 81 for Leeds, then obviously we missed them for a lot of years in the old 2nd division but then renewed " Old Acquintances" in the 90's.
Very good firm Frank and yes, Arsenal too had a good firm late 70's to 80's respect to both of you for back then.
The times were the times and that was it including " Staying Off of the radar" with the Clobber. Well Done Frank.
Really enjoyed that Frank,no bragging,very down to earth and very interesting.
Good luck in what you do 👏
Thank you.
Love Frank.
Had the pleasure of interviewing him last year. Such a lovely guy x
Spurs fan here, I grew up watching and supporting spurs from the 80s I can recall a few scuffles on Tottenham high Road when I was growing up Millwall etc .First time coming across this interview I love it...Frank's experiences and stories is fascinating about rival fans up north and London firms 💪
Late 70s I was in the shed. Spurs came in and had a right go but got run out. After the game is was chaos on the Fulham road. Brilliant day out good old days......
Best interview on this channel. Open and honest account of Frank's past. Good luck in the future Frank.
Thanks for your comment Stuart, Franks a top bloke and hopefully will come back for a part 2
@@UKCasualsneed to get dennis cross DLF interviewed very underated firm
@@derek6247 im in touch with some lads from Derby DLF so i'll ask them, to see if i can get his contact details
Thoroughly enjoyed this interview, takes me back to my teens in same era. Down to earth guy.
Best interview I’ve heard - this bloke lived it - Spurs could have been so much better but too much division - West Ham and Millwall stories so true - top top bloke - brilliant x
Frank is a top bloke and it was a genuine pleasure to interview him
Met Pat Jennings parking his car at my door last week going to watch Northern Ireland vs Italy. Such a gentleman and a legend. Great video really enjoyed this interview. Respect 🇬🇧
Thank you.
Love the fact he shows Arsenal respect has not a lot off others do.
@@richardevans7035 yeah, Arsenal academy players, Vieira,berkhamp, pires, fabregas, Henry, ah the good old days, Muppet. Spurs started the first wave of foreigners,Villa, ardiles etc.
@@tonypaul3205 I gave Arsenal credit and never mentioned foreign players lol
@@richardevans7035 You and others say chelsea have bought success without looking at their own clubs, it is so repetitive,every club has bought success one way or another, selective memory is rife.
@@tonypaul3205 utd dominated British football with their own academy, Arsenal were invincible and hardly spent nothing too
Most Tottenham fans are jealous of The Arsenal , bitter and twisted .
Top honest account Tottenham had and still have got a very good firm great interview
Great interview,Millwall vs Spurs was good over the years..Respect is due Sir..
Appreciated.
Very interested to hear about this man’s experience. I was at feyenoord and it was carnage for sure. We we’re beaten with truncheons by the cops and thrown out and were having running battles all night. Only saw about ten minutes of the match.i agree that Man U were all about numbers. Best crew were the Mile End.
Great well balanced interview. Can remember the transition of the fashions on the terraces during the 70's early 80's going to Highbury starting on the North Bank and then the Clock end. Frank rightly says that Spurs regularly took the North bank in the 70's as did West Ham and Chelsea until around 1977-78 when Arsenal started increasing in numbers and about the time when Denton was coming up as 16/17 yr old. Its when a harder crowd started forming in the Clock end who would come onto the North Bank when the other London clubs were playing at Highbury.
This was also before the creation for want of a better word of 'firms' which were really an 80's thing. In the 70's it was more 'Boys' or 'Lads' and 'Mobs'. I'd never heard the word 'Herd' at Arsenal even through the early 80's when I stopped going to football.
Re fashion 79 certainly saw a marked change. The Clock End boys mainly from Islington and the Chettle Court estate in Harringay were really smartly dressed with the whole soul boy scene being an influence, just as wedge haircuts were becoming fashionable. This I'd say was pre Casual as in look. It was just the fashion of the day, connected to the West End and nightclub scene, The Royalty in Southgate being a regular spot. As young lads we adopted the look, I remember taking the mick out of our Spurs pals who were as Frank says, still in Donkey Jackets.
Top Bloke for giving the Dippers credit for the Casual look 👏
One of the very few honest spurs top boy's, big respect🍻
Appreciated.
@@franklyspeakingwithfrankpo4249 🍻
I remember going to Chelsea v West Ham 1984/85 and when Nevin scored the third the whole West Ham got up from their old west stand which was split with pringle wearing 'fans', there was an eeiry silence, then they attacked the Shed and Chelsea singing "You'll never take the Shed" i saw scenes after that which still live with me..
Was in the benches that game 👌👌👌
Top man frank great watch this proper old school spurs respect
Great interview. Love to hear the stories 1st hand from those who really were there, when going to the football was taking your life into your own hands. Thanks for giving us your insight
Honest & genuine account
Well Done Frank .. very Interesting .. enjoyed the listen ..
Great interview - great honest account - without all the BS - respect from #WestHam
You can't speak for West Ham. He's an absolute dickhead.
great memories frank
I remember the donkey jacket era, remember West Ham coming to ours and lots wearing them.
They thought it was a fur coat
Let the man speak your interviewing him not the other way round!!!!
Thanks Mark, im sure he spoke more, but i'll watch it back and take your comment into account.
Quality ,enjoyed that 👌
I live between 2 big towns at the south coast with loyal supporters of communities which are separated by 25 miles which includes a 15 mile strip of nomansland of forest & heathland . In the early 80s I had to go to Tech College in Poole Bournemouth where the few lads that went to Dean Court were mainly “ trendies “ or what you’d call Casuals who spent money on their clothes whereas the lads I knew from school whom lived near Southampton Water still wore Donkey Jackets & Double Denim to fight and worship at The Dell 👍
hi frank, great interview, was with you wall on boxing day and in feyernord end, and was in the 25 on the bridge after with mark and that...great days mate. respect
Legend at the lane 👊🏽
Frank was a pleasure to interview, part 1 and part 2
Went to Spurs in 73 with Leeds and won 3.0. Hostile as hell had to take a few "slaps" before getting back to the coach and back up the M1 to Leeds.
Good interview
Stop interrupting the guest mate. Just let his words flow🙈ffs
'Simple ... I went to prison'. Brilliant🤣
Went to Glasgow with Frank many years ago was in the arsenal firm
As a Spurs fan ( not in a firm ) i think most clubs were much closer in terms of hierachy than some lead us to believe. If Leeds , Boro , Scousers , Cardiff and Mancs can give proper credit where its due then so can others.
Seems like a top bloke
A top bloke indeed and hes doing his own podcast where hes the interviewer its called Frankly speaking
All hail the Donkey Jackets. I still have one and it does not fit me any more 🤣
I wish he was not continually interrupted to be honest missed some decent chat
will take that into account, im still learning my craft, just trying to give this subculture a voice over than the mainstream media you have to remember its an interview not a monologue
@@UKCasuals yes mate get that I interrupt all the time ha ha! Just thought he was leading to a few tales. It is not easy good work
I thought that initially but on reflection interviewer overall did a good job
@@LS26Old you do run a very interesting channel. I’m not and never was a “boy” “ lad” whatever you call it but I was there all through the middle to late 60s 70s, 80s, 90s etc. I was a working class lad who followed my club and paid for it in more than one way. My memories are more vivid 1966-1980.
Shame about the constant interuptions , ask the question let him speak.
Bell end of the year award
Refreshingly honest in a genre occupied by so many bullshitters
Great interview and comes across as a nice bloke. Fully agree at the " contrived stadiums and football experience comment. I also don't like the new football " experience". I wish the interviewer didn't talk over interviewee so much, although interviewing must be a difficult skill so kudos. Frank's name was familiar to me somehow, so I did a search on Google. Disappointed to learn that Frank went down the Loyalist and extreme right wing route, don't get or understand that.
Good listen that
ie:" I wish the interviewer didn't talk over interviewee so much" Still learning my craft Antony
@@UKCasuals joking aside you’re doing a stirling job, you get some interesting and intriguing characters on, who represent. a dying/dead sub-culture which nevertheless existed. As a “dyed in the wool” lefty I can still listen to folk like Frank as its interesting. Frank and I come from similar origins, in my case from a mining village in South Yorkshire.
Keep up the good work mate, look forward to your next offering
I don't honestly understand how anyone can be a lefty or unionist who isn't Irish this coming from a supposed "Catholic" So I conclude that it must be just within you and you just feel it.
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Good interview not bias at all an from the era
Good interview that frank 👌🏻
Bit after your time.
Millwall vs Spurs early 2000s friendly game.
Fuck me you brought a mob over that day. 👊🏻
You can find it on UA-cam of your mob, brings back some great memories for me 🦁
How old was you 3 💁🏿♂️
Born in 1981 do the maths sausage!! 😉🤣🤦🏻♂️
@@tonykelly1679 was there that day, at the boozer early doors, spurs had a proper mob, went on all day 🤟🏿
It was a supposed to be a friendly in 2001 for Rhino Stevens,Spurs came down proper mob handed..was a good day.
Was that with Trevor Tanner?
1971 when the Blades went up
Loving all of these, but i would love to hear from the younger lot. Someone who's been doing it more recently.
@perrap79 we are working on getting some 'Younger' lads on
Did Middlesbrough ever bring it to white hart lane .?
Not so much in my day, but years later they were as game as they come when they visited the Lane. Definitely mutual respect for each other.
@@franklyspeakingwithfrankpo4249 Thanks Frank, I asked because we had a couple of good row’s there, and your right there is a mutual respect
@riz que Dont think anyone was thrown in front of a bus, but one of the lads had his ankle snapped when spurs came back to boozer during game, some of the lads hadn't bothered going to game and it came on top for them. 👍
Had my dads national coal board donkey jacket loved it
Good story about the football rows. Don't like his involvement in loyalist politics/violence. I'm no IRA supporter either. Don't like either terrorist groups and have no respect for this mans involvement in that murky world.
We get that at Chelsea. With Chelsea/ Rangers. Gate 17 crap. Not as bad as it was though.
@@nutcracker2916 I've never understand the loyalist love at football, what the fuck has Northern Ireland got to do with domestic football? No fucker cares about religion in England
@@migspit Everyone hated the IRA at football and therefore it was a hate of Catholics/Irish, it wasnt about religion..... in any case Ian Paisley had more in common with Catholics than with secular English eg Abortion thats how fucked up NI is......... whats even more fucked up is the Irish backed up an English King against a Dutch invader supported by English collaborators at the battle of boyne
Wednesday had a good row with the yids in lesta Square about 10 Yr ago lads from both sides got jail
I'm spurs and always had a soft spot for Wednesday, love the kit , the badge etc still miss them from the top flight
What is the book called Frank ? I’d like to get it - cheers
LEFT RIGHT LOYALIST (From One Extreme To Another). Available on Ebay.
Wow must be scarred for life getting chased at 14 wow daily occurrence when we were kids
Good days frank,,the 70s cricklewood hendon boys burnt oak boys ,,,,,
Your guess is right .
Was at the 1st Feynoord game we took the piss all day . In the ground run old bill at 1 st but when we got thrown out & led down the stairs we got attacked by feynoord with bike chains & bricks .
Surprised "The Brush Game" at Roker Park Sunderland, '78-'79 in the old second division, doesn't get a mention. Most old school spurs remember it as one of their worst ever days.
Oh I remember it alright.
@@franklyspeakingwithfrankpo4249 Haha. It was like The Wild West that day. Glad you survived to tell the tale. Great interview by the way, definitely a good watch.
@@andrewsmith3217 Thank you Andrew I appreciate that.
Interested to no more about this?can you say what happened?
@@Macoosy To try and keep it "short" spurs arrived late, almost kick-off time. There was a massive mob of Sunderland waiting and if you know old Roker Park you could see spurs arriving over the back wall and through exits so any element of surprise was lost. To be fair to spurs they did make an attempt to get up the stairs and onto the terrace but got beaten back and then i think its fair to say came off second best in a long battle under the stand. The police then got amongst it and cleared out the "boys" section at the front of the Roker End to put spurs in. They'd barely been in a few seconds and got attacked again and then chased onto the pitch. Some maniac had managed to "procure" a brush/broom and this was clearly seen swinging around and bashing spurs lads over their nappers as they tried to escape. From memory the police then tried to put spurs in one of the paddocks but by then many had had enough and left the ground to get the train home. This game and the pitch escape were televised and is/was on youtube at some point.
I think the return game at WHL was near the end of the season and spurs definitely tried(and probably did) to get some form of revenge. I'd give spurs big credit for at least trying to get onto the terrace at Roker as not many would've taken one step forward to face that mob. I think its fair to say spurs came off a very second best that day but for whatever reason it was a very angry sunderland mob who had good numbers and were already in position.
Hope this helps and Tom Hanks gets to play me in the movie version!!!
My husband is Ian berry Frank
great interview adey1yido thfc
Frank is an interesting interviewee but the interviewer is chronic!!! Ask the question, then stay silent while the subject answers. FFS 🤦🏻♂️!!!
Must have been through webcam with the delays and over speaking
I'm not a Leeds fan but they had thousands travelling all over.
Yes they did. An oversight on my part.
@@franklyspeakingwithfrankpo4249 I was a bit surprised you didn’t mention them Frank but you’ve acknowledged that. They used to swamp us at Bramall Lane no getting away from that 1972 and 1974 I recall were the worst. I was never into it, as such just a working class lad going to football and trouble was unavoidable
@@franklyspeakingwithfrankpo4249 to be fair Spurs came to Leeds more than any other London club and it was reciprocated.
FA Cup 1972 quarter final at ours was even lively fair play and old Tottenham fan from Essex (Basildon - normally West Ham area) also told me a few tales of getting bricked at that game
@@LS26Old I was on the first special into Leeds. 15 at the time and still a bit wary. Naughty place to go but I loved going to Leeds.
The leader of the Spurs firm told us all what happened in the documentary and that was that Chelsea are the firm who always took it to them,straight from the horses mouth. His words not mine. Trevor something.
Trevor Tanner.
Makes me laugh when people say Tanner was 'leader of the Spurs firm' he was never leader just a well respected lad
@@franklyspeakingwithfrankpo4249 just come across this frank hello from gutty out in Spain by the pool
@Linda Williams Hello mate hope you're well.
Spanner
Met I enjoed this but get rid of that water mark. It’s annoying haha.
Man City Maine road very dodgy and intimidating ground in moss side 👊
Big deal, we fought the Zulu's and Villa Crew/Hardcore in Birmingham many time's.
@@hooligoonerherdeie9682 I went to that Man City game when Spurs lost 4:0. We walked into the Kippax which was along the side of the ground thinking that City would have an end behind one of the goals. Got that wrong big time and around 8 of us got booted out............Ouch !!!!!!!
@@johnsheldrick7523 never mind, better luck next time mate, but man. city are starting to get very cowardly these day's, they've been attacking scarfer's for some time now, they even attacked our non hooligan's in the 2017 fa cup semi final, I would've loved to have seen them try it at highbury back in the day, they would've got beheaded, much different atmosphere and better than the emirates stadium.
Cannot think of anything worse than following Tottenham
Why massive club with a massive following, first club to do it all
@@richardevans7035 The DIY place? 🧹
@@thislife3655 lol no European winners, The Double , 2 FA cups back to back
@@richardevans7035 you didn't win the world cup like West Ham.
I mean, if you're gonna make silly comments like 1st team to win it all when you've never won the European Cup, then I'll do the same
Yeah what a guy 🙄
The first Jew who talks the truth about arsenal. Top firm. EIE the herd.
Who??😂
@@superstarshaker7402 WHO ???? The fuck are u??
We are the Herd !!! Herd Herd Herd Herd we are the Herd !!! HERD HERD HERD HERD .
EIE Whorrrrrrr
Arsenal never had a firm, when we came to London we knew it was always gonna be quiet at Arsenal, Palace, Fulham 😂
@@superstarshaker7402 obviously you know jack shit. Go Google The Heard EIE, Wikipedia.
you always get Liverpool supporters everywhere more than man u
That's true,
Shit Hart Lane when hickeys coach comes over the hill with 50 geezers ready to kill
Hickets mob lol do me a favour he has never done fuck all against us
Now if your want to talk about Babs or Eccles then you can talk but Hickey 😂😂😂😂
@@philliphickin1915 Tottenham biggest following In London always have and always will
@@philliphickin1915 The rentboys claim Hicky would drink at a pub next to 7 sisters then march on the ground....... fucking idiots r so stupid that the pub they were describing was the Bull and if they had ever been in there that would be the biggest boast,........ 78 Babbs/Eccles all turned up sneaking there way to the ground from Tottenham Hale but still got run approaching the shelf from Northumberland Pk......left 20 mins before the end of the game to avoid a full on at full time , even us teenagers give them a few digs
@@philliphickin1915 In every rentboy fantasy they all fought Skivesy and won when Skivesy stood alone in the NB@UP in 79 Billy Bonds testimonial and the best mob of its day didnt fancy it with him yet these jokers claim they did
@@britishqueen94 wait, your saying skyves was in the north bank all by himself and no West ham fancied it?
Give your egos a rest ffs
Frank is actually a very humble and polite bloke as a spurs fan he gives Arsenal there respect as he does other firms back then.
@@UKCasuals I’m sure he is mate,
Well done Frank . An actual Tottenham boy who don’t bull shit like most of spurs , Arsenal had a great firm , so much more honest and interesting than that prat Tanner
Never heard of him
Absolute tool