I think one of the reasons these controlling cults won't die is that a decent percentage of people subconsciously want to be controlled on some level. They want to be told what's good and bad, what to do and what not to do, because it's easier to follow ready made instructions than think for themselves and risk getting it "wrong". It's comfortable, it's easier, to have someone else behind the wheel.
This is Mind Control and Heart Control. It was the Nations who worshiped the sun , moon and stars. This is were the teaching of the Trinity came from the Roman Empire. Revelation 17:17 For God put it into their hearts to carry out his thought, yes, to carry out their one thought by giving their kingdom to the wild beast, until the words of God will have been accomplished. Even God's people deviated from true worship to YHWH, the God of Abraham Jeremiah 7:18 The sons are gathering wood, the fathers are lighting the fire, and the wives are kneading dough in order to make sacrificial cakes to the Queen of Heaven, and they are pouring out drink offerings to other gods to offend me. 19 ‘But am I the one they are hurting?’* declares Jehovah. ‘Is it not they themselves, to their own shame?’ 20 Therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah says, ‘Look! My anger and my wrath will be poured out on this place, on man and beast, on the trees of the field and the fruitage of the ground; it will burn and will not be extinguished.’ Acts 7:42 But God turned away from them and gave them over to the worship of the sun, moon and stars. This agrees with what is written in the book of the prophets: “’Did you bring me sacrifices and offerings forty years in the wilderness, people of Israel?
I agree. I also accepted this when that person who watches Lloyd's channel called in and is part of the JWs was saying it's not so bad. She said it's not so strict. A lot of people crave control and order even if idiots are ruling them.
My ONLY reason for staying in the JW cult for decades, even when I became an adult, was the hope that I’d see my Mom & Dad again. ❤ Not that there would be a paradise on earth or that we’d live forever. I was highly sceptical about that, and many other things. But like so many, I HAD to keep going to meetings and have Bible studies in order to be able to be with my Dad’s side of the family. Now they’ve completely shunned me, but I don’t care really; feel sorry for them and their wasted lives. I told my Dad one time that living forever would be boring zzzzz. He only said “Don’t say that, tsk, tsk, tsk”. I knew Watchtower was BS, but I had this tiny hope that I’d see them again. I think it’s the hope, and I believe the reason why so many JWs stay in, is for this very tiny hope.
My state of Washington is going after the ‘organization’ in a very big way, over the CSA allegations. I have a funny feeling we’re not the only state gearing up for this, and I think this is what could end them. I see a slow implosion on the horizon.
@@zachlightcap2179 I'm in skyway not far from Kent! Let's link! Wanna meet at retro Emporium downtown!! I love that place and need to visit soon anyways. Let me interview you!!
@@chrissyparkins1615 yoo let's chat about it in a interview for my channel I'm in skyway and can drive!! I own a tiny bakery called. Moon Village Bakery. You can meet me here too.
Thank you Lloyd. I am a PIMO 18 year old Jehovah's Witness, and I can't tell you how much your words at the end meant to me. Thank you for fighting for us, and you've definitely inspired a new generation of freedom fighters - a legacy to be truly proud of
@@Ballykeith Food at proper time. Lol it’s funny we can pretty much tell when we stopped being a witness by the Terminology that we use. When I was a kid it was called “food for the proper time “and then it evolve to “new light “and then “an adjustment of understanding”. It really cracks me up.. 😆
I lived for nearly 0 in a house about two miles down the road from a Jehovah Witness church. We got regular visits and my angel of a mother usually had this to say. She said it in her angelic voice. "I have nothing against your religion but I don't want to join it myself" She never told them to not come over and come over they did. I personally was nice to them also but I felt they were wasting their time with me because I personally am not into religion of any denomination. I was especially kind to children they brought. They never quit coming until mother died and I moved away.
The one thing that might change that thought is if governments catch up to them like Norway did, that might accelerate their decent but yeah otherwise our families are going to die and we might die and they'll still be here unfortunately
I'm from Brazil and I'd like to congratulate you for very good job and honesty about JW! I'm out of JW about 15 years and unhaplly have one brother and a sister inside that organization. Unhappily i have to agree with you about you changed ponit of view about JW, they will keep going sadly for very long time. But, year by year going each day weaker until in uncertain time fade way. I wish you the best in your goal to show real truth to whom may be interested!
I wonder how you do it Lloyd - you strike me as such a gentle and warm soul despite all that's wrong. Most of the time I still feel so angry and hurt although my experience is some 20 years in the past now and I've done loads of therapy. You are such a shining beacon of hope. Love this community and your contribution! Keep it up!
Why though? My hurt is more about the reality that there probably is no paradise or resurrection that hope they gave people felt so good to my soul now it’s just a dark sad grim reality to face
@@ITS1985 That's pretty irrelevant in my mind. What is far far more important is all of the people who are having their one single future paradise-less life wasted by these awful people.
@@cookiesontoast9981 so what? let them live in the delusion atleast it feels good to them the reality isn’t any more liberating as death awaits us all…believe what you want
@@ITS1985 i m sorry you feel like that . i know when i first left i felt a bit nihilistic , but the beauty of life away from WT is that you get to chose your lifes purpose and its meaning , it does not have to be anything significant , just whatever you want it to be .. find what makes you happy and fulfilled and spend your time doing it ! if those feelings persist then some therapy may help as you could be dealing with depression or trauma from what you have been through. i know i would rather deal with reality than the false hope the JWs offer ... wish you all the best ! take care
Not going to lie. Realistically feel ypu are probably right but it makes me sad to hear it. Especially from you. But keeping it real is important. Thanks lloyd.
I think the organization peaked at 2016-18, but I don't see it growing any more In the information age. However, I agree with you that JWs are not going to vanish anytime soon. To me, they will get more and more extreme in their beliefs, to the point where only "hardcore PIMIs" will be the ones staying. And I absolutely agree with you that for those of us who are out, we should do our best to expose this cult so more people can wake up. Thank you for all your hard work and keep it up 💪
😂😂do your best to expose, yah right. Y’all are all just mad and bitter. Get over it, you’re not in the club anymore. And that’s ok, cuz the club sux anyways. So move on, be happy and stop hating. Who cares if they want to be and stay a jw, like who cares!!!
@Greg LeJacques I’m not mad, I’m here to heal y’all. It’s ok, the club wasn’t for you, seriously. Like , live life, be happy, share love and tolerance. Why stay up on something that was so toxic to you? Makes no sense. Be free love✌️
Well my parents are deep in. It is a matter of mental security in the way that they will never recognize the fact they wasted their life. Too hard to carry on with that. The brain won’t allow it to happen
An ex Jehova's witness has just died in Argentina. Her name was Delicia Cortesini. She was an old person. She left the sect some time ago. Her sons used all of their weapons against her which literally killed her. She was taken to a hospital by her sons and never returned. Her story as a jw is too sad to be told in a few lines, but you would see who they really are if you could get to read the facts
That is so sad. Dwelling on it won't bring her back. Live your life, enjoy your life. If there is an afterlife, her sons will be called into an account for their behavior, so will others.
I was following her story. The moment she openly spoke against the WT, her children placed her in a mental health facility. Activists were trying to help her, but the pain was too much, and her heart couldn't take it.
Many times, The Lord Himself makes changes (water becomes wine). Other times, The Lord makes the necessary changes by means of other people, including believers or non-believers. I do believe such is the case here. He could be working with ex- jws to show the world how wrong this cult is.
12:59 Of course scientology is very small. Another comparison might be the LDS church. And they're loosing members in high percentages. From what I understand in the age group 18-30 '(being the age group where faith crises typically happen) 60-70% leaves these days. An idea might be to ask eg John Dehlin of Mormon Stories to interview him about this.
The problem is that the organization is funded by smart capital AND very rich donors. In other words, a subtle negative growth in members is actually beneficial for them because it means less investment per capita.
The organization will likely be around for some time, unless lawsuits keep piling up, however their finances is much less than other similar sized organizations. They are relying less on donations and more on real estate and investments, they still have enough followers who volunteer labour for building projects which they later sell off. One thing that's undeniable is the number of followers are leaving and it's not slowing down. The organization can still be a thing even without the membership numbers but it won't be as significant. Branches are still closing along with kingdom halls, new projects are still happening but it's all consolidation while walking away with profit.
At least as membership shrinks, there are fewer tentacles for csa. Maybe the value of csa offenders in this org is the general message it sends to the rest of society and maybe deters others.
I am in my sixties and hoping to see the end of Watchtower! My story has not been told yet but I keep waiting for a like minded person with the same experince. We need to carry on! Good job!
My opinion is that the wtbts will only be bought down by their being charged with criminal offences. That can only happen if governments investigate them thoroughly. They are a property and publishing corporation using the tax code’s religious exemption as a cover and to shield their income and illicit activities
Charities are meant to establish charitable status by demonstrating the needs they recognise and meet. Unfortunately somebody thought injecting peoples minds with religion would serve as an act of grace on their state of wealth and health, time governments noticed this may not be the case at all but rather provide the basis for said religion to carry on its fraud with the help of tax payers
I was looking for something fresh and up popped the video. This is my Sunday morning 🌄 spiritual food, hehe. Mimosas work too, but I have to go to market.
I went shopping on Wednesday at my little local South Essex shopping centre, about 5 miles from the nearest Kingdom Hall. At 1:30pm I spied a JW trolley outside the Morrison supermarket. With a tall man calling after somebody walking away. He was definitely not a local. At that time on a Wednesday the shopping centre was almost deserted, and I whizzed through Morrisons and Iceland. As there were only a couple of shoppers about. 🤔
If what is happening in Pennsylvania starts happening everywhere then we might be able to do something about the governing body if the child molesters are publicly outed everywhere, people can see that all these people are being sheltered by the organization then we might get that public outcry that will start the ball rolling. It might be wishful thinking but for now that's all we have.
I think that, sadly, it mostly interests exJW's, and most people don't care. JW's benefits of a real good image thanks to them "being nice", and all the borderline JW/Raised JW/JW's friends (POMIs & cie), who will defend them because they are sometimes mocked or criticized by other religions. And I know, I've been an unbaptized POMI for years and it's what I did, and it worked well ! To my surprise. I even made some people thinking about joining the movement because they liked my "JW part", although I'm a clear and assumed pothead, music heavy listener, I did dance and was so far from what people think about JW's that when they learned that my parents were and "it's not a cult, they are nice people and sincere and blabla", they were seduced by the apparent "open mindness" JW's had. But it was just through my image, and I've met a lot of POMIs and we just did that: good image, cool attitude campaign for the JW's... For free... And I know a lot of people in medias know, or have in their family some JW's who participate to soften the public view of what that organization really do. So, this frustrates me, but I think they benefit from a nice perception by most people. And I'm ashamed and angry to have been a POMI for so long, defending stupid things (although some of the mockeries were mean and unfair...)
Considering they own and hold title to every kingdom hall in the world they will never go bankrupt unless real estate becomes worthless. The opposite is true now with land values skyrocketing...in North America anyhow. They may become land rich and cash poor one day...but as membership falls, they will consolidate congregations and sell off kingdom halls. It's already happened. I think it's only a matter of time before governments start taxing the churches. I don't see any church opening their doors to the homeless or feeding the hungry. Time they pay their fair share.
Hello Lloyd, this is a little off topic, but watching the Super Bowl and seeing Serena Williams, a baptized Jehovah Witness participating in 2 alcohol commercials. I wonder what Tony Morris would say?
My childhood congregation has only the older generation. I went back couple years before the pandemic and they were so excited I had children to bring. Turns out that of all 20 something kids that we were in 80’as and 90’s only 1 remained. All have left organization but still live in town. A few did return during pandemic because they thought end was coming; as they told me so, I wanted to tell them not to do it, but they were scared.
Thank you for this. I feel exactly as you do, I'm doing my own small part with my channel, since my audience is french-speaking, I only have about 850 subs, but I know for a fact many more watch, including PIMO's, JW's who have doubts, and others who may have been interested by the cult but changed their minds after watching some of my videos. The comments I get are heartwarming and motivate me to keep fighting. Just yesterday I posted a video about the Pennsylvania situation, and I urged my listeners to share the video with politicians in their countries, send letters, emails, petitions, etc. It's just a small drop of water in the bucket, but I like to think it might make a difference. Thank you again, Lloyd, and let's take the fight to Watchtower!
Lloyd, i do not have a dog in this race. I am, as you say, watching the train wreck unfold. Yes, i have some family that are jw's, and I was raised mormon. (You have replied to my two voicemails about that). But I watch your videos because I like you. I like the way you cover topics. I like your style and your intelligence. Im glad I found you. However, as a mother of 5 children, now almost all grown and gone, this is absolutely appalling! And I do agree with you. We need to make this information more available to those who do have power and a voice. Any religion that covers up child abuse, sexual or otherwise, does not deserve the right to look down on others and think they are on the right path. I try not to just to complain, but to come up with a solution. So, between you and all your co-activists, is there someway to start some kind of letter writing campaign? Like in the U.S. to our local statesmen? Idk, im at a loss, but I know for a fact, I would sit and write a very heartfelt plea for this to be looked in to. Thank you again for all your hard work and dedication to stopping the injustice you see and know!
I think letter writing is a good idea to let state governments be aware of the sex abuse of children, but Catholic church, politicians , Mormons, movie starts do the same underling sex crap. But writing those active JW about false doctrines in the WT publications but do it anonymously be a good thing
Norway knocking them off the charity perch is a good start. Quite appalling when you consider taxpayer dolllars are empowering child abuse. Another consideration is perverted individuals in power need to source their supply from somewhere. But we need to chip away at least at the parts of the iceberg that are showing.
This is a common thing with millernarian cults, when the followers realise that the spectacular prophecies will not materialise they just drift away and the cult dies.
The organization has a strong celebrity connection too. Michael Jackson was arguably the biggest superstar of all time. Prince is a legend. Serena Williams is a legend. But mainstream media doesn't really latch onto that for some reason. Michael Jackson alone was more famous than all of the celebrities in Scientology combined, including Tom Cruise.
Dear Lloyd, Thank you for another heartfelt and logical video 👍 The simple truth is that we need more governmental judges like the legendary Peter McClellan and Angus Stewart who base their sound judgement on 'evidential facts' and personal research. Ultimately, in my honest opinion, love doesn't judge.. it considers, shows empathetic compassion and respect for fellow humankind. All of which the Jehovah's Witness organisation, along with EVERY religious denomination that regard themselves as 'the truth' greatly disregard.
The society is making it easier to be a Jw than it was when I was ‘in the truth’ 40 years ago. There were 3 meetings per week as opposed to 2, longer assemblies, pioneers doing less hours and to be a publisher a minimum of 15 minutes per month! I think the majority don’t know or particularly care what the doctrine are. They think it’s the best life ever where everyone loves each other, with the thought of a new system some time in the future.
Good afternoon my husband is a JW and I am not and we have been married for over 26 years. I don’t go to the service but from what I have seen they are still very active in Arizona. But not sure nationwide.
Gajus Glockentin. Wasn't he the one who encouraged JWs to make friends with Jehovah and Jesus by giving the organization money? I found that appeal of his to be jaw-droppingly blatant and crass.
Jj Kerkhoff, True, but the JW Organization still has horrendously lax methods of dealing with cases of child sexual abuse within its ranks, and that is something they should not be allowed to get away with. They have policies and a culture that helps to shield the identities of molesters from the authorities.
Most of the elders are victims. A lot of them barely keep up with changes in policies. They should be rereading the shepherd book but I know the elders in the congregations I was in weren't keeping up. They'd institute changes and revert back to the 80s within 6 months. The elders who deal with CSA and don't question the policies deserve severe punishment but I'd hate to see them killed in some kind of Jonestown event. At the very least, I'd like to see such elders punished by long prison terms, a year or more and public humiliation in order to send a message to the rest of the elders so they can, at the very least, self delete. Even the elders who I am most disgusted with have redeeming qualities and I hope to see a few of them wake up as the shit really keeps hitting the fan.
I agree well put the elders that have the courage to speak out have left and I know many who would leave if it became even more public. Quite a few of them are victims but there is so much complicity. It’s like a military. At some point saying we were following orders…. Isn’t enough.
I would argue that in 2015 the organization was cash poor but asset rich. They’ve since liquidated a bunch of Kingdom Halls to create a cash buffer and cut costs to the point that they aren’t bleeding anymore.
While bankruptcy would be a hassle for them, even if it happened tomorrow, it likely would not be the end either. They have assets which can be sold off, and a lot of cults get by with smaller management or memberships, there is a range of ways to restructure that debt and/or reorganize/restart the corporate structure and member donations would still flow in.
This may be a useless question but have you sent the info you have in Australian inquiry and the British icsa (sp?) Info to spotlight section of the Boston newspaper that broke the catholic pedi scandal (investigation is there substance). Very interested in the subject matter Boston it's a Catholic thing so you would need to share directly with the spotlight unit.
I Don't know Lloyd. I have this Feeling that WE Will In My Lifetime (I've Got Some Years on You) see the Demise and Departure of the JW's and Organization. Nobody can Predict the Future, but there are Countless Variables of Outcomes. None Good. So Far in My Decades, I've got a 99% Track Record with My "Feeling" coming to Fruition.
Yeah i got a feeling that watchtower is heading for a real mess. That feeling has just been getting stronger last ten years. There's nothing positive to say about the future of org
All the ex-JW videos are really helping steer people away from JW and helping people leave, even if JW exists. There will certainly be more scandals and bad press in the future, so that will turn the legal system and the public against JW.
So many things going through my mind while listening to Lloyds comments on this subject. Such as: truth can not be measured or established by the number of people who agree on what it is. Also, while negative press can be detrimental to an organization, it can also stiffen the resolve of true believers and assist in recruitment. And of course family expansion will result in new members even if individuals in the family have their legitimate doubts. Family dynamics, the inherent need to ‘belong’ in the family group can be a powerful deterrent against going against the grain of the Witness family unit. Even those in the family who have genuine concerns about the rightness of the cause cannot readily imagine a better alternative that would make the gain worth the cost. As far as the CSA debacle, I can’t help but think that while frustration with the disinterest on the part of some authorities is understandable, the real question is why Watchtower is so reluctant to include the proper authorities in these matters when they arise. Are they concerned primarily with the public backlash that might ensue or are they perhaps more concerned with the effect public awareness would have on the rank and file? If I as a Witness get a speeding ticket wouldn’t those in the congregation conclude that was my problem and the consequences were a clear case of reaping what I sowed? Why wouldn’t something like CSA, which is far more serious, merit a similar response. I know the two aren’t the same but each would include the right to deny the charges and have our day in court. And wouldn’t such a position make crystal clear that Watchtower abhors such behavior?
Organisations by their nature can delegate and avoid blame. They can create policies that back them up in that endeavour. Unfortunately in the state of mind that goes with mistaking the gb for God and the fear of loosing all friends and family members goes blind allegiance and following of rules. The legal system rightly attributes blame to adults as coercive mind control and failure to critically analyse thoughts and actions are not a defence to csa and other criminal activities. I think the policies and procedures exposed at the Australian Royal Commission implemented by the borg show it is expecting accusations which it has set itself up to deflect and a decrease in numbers as it sacrifices the faithful, this won’t prevent new recruits and the continuance of these policies. All a bit sick but in keeping with the psychopathy of corporations. The corporatisation of religion can be a lethal combination.
I’m not a Jehovahs Witness but I use reverse disfellowship tactics on them. When they approach me I say “you know we’re not supposed to be talking, your disfellowshipped”
Okay yes they keep on playing the same old drum beat for decades but I do feel heartbroken to think there’s no resurrection or a beautiful eternal life they taught about those were now nothing but pipe dreams and now just thinking about ceasing to ever exist after death just depresses me ….why 😫
I’m praying for the sake of the followers who have suffered so much that they become the chosen people of Jesus. Everyone is blind and so far off truth. He should choose them.
With the “overlapping generation” they bought a few decades before having to reinvent again -AND- if we buy THAT and STILL think armmagheddon is any second now then one is a lifer and there’s no chance of waking up; obviously the biggest growth is happening where there’s the least internet and least depth of knowledge of authentic Christianity. Africa is obviously where they’re making gains and here in the Midwest there’s actually a huge push to pursue the Amish. Developed nations will continue to stagnate and decline
In the light of this 'new light'; should we redact any chapters of either of your prior publications? Should we view possession and/or reading of either or both publications as an act of apostate apostacy?
I get sooo angry because the Rank and File....KNOOOOOWS DAAAM WELL THAT THE SILENT RULE OF " NOT BRINGING REPROACH ON JEHOVAH(CORPORATION REALLY) ALWAAAAAYS MENT FOR THE MOST PART KEEP EVERYTHING INHOUSE!!!
If Watch Tower is having all these lawsuits to pay off such as those relating to CSA. Why doesn't Watch Tower just get rid of their problematic policies that lead to them? Why are they so committed to their weird rules if it costs them so much money? Can't they just say they have "new light" and get rid of them? I don't get it.
My guess is they will simply reverse gear on their stance on childbirth: where in past decades they have discouraged young witnesses from having children so they could spend more time and money on Watchtower business, the governing body will in the future draw from the well of scriptures that point to how joyful having many children is, in order to boost births (therefore baptisms) within the organization. Service hours will go down accordingly, but since for all their efforts they don't convert anybody anymore, it will hardly matter. Assuming that works, in 20 years time they will have built themselves a new batch of "paying customers" to keep the coffers stocked and the lights on.
I'm excited to see what the annual reports will look like from now on. Many young ones are leaving and WT is counting on young ones to keep the org going. WT may never completely die but they will decline in number or at least that's what we all hope. Just hate seeing Jehovah's witnesses lied to about the org.
This video reminds me of something a military analist said 'you most fundamental error that you can make while predicting your opponent is that they will keep doing exactly the same'. It's very reasonable to think the organization was in a bad financial shape a couple of years ago and also very human to hope that was going to be the end for them.
I think one of the reasons these controlling cults won't die is that a decent percentage of people subconsciously want to be controlled on some level. They want to be told what's good and bad, what to do and what not to do, because it's easier to follow ready made instructions than think for themselves and risk getting it "wrong". It's comfortable, it's easier, to have someone else behind the wheel.
This is so deep & real🙏🏾
Eric fromm’s escape from freedom touches on this.
This is Mind Control and Heart Control. It was the Nations who worshiped the sun , moon and stars. This is were the teaching of the Trinity came from the Roman Empire.
Revelation 17:17 For God put it into their hearts to carry out his thought, yes, to carry out their one thought by giving their kingdom to the wild beast, until the words of God will have been accomplished.
Even God's people deviated from true worship to YHWH, the God of Abraham
Jeremiah 7:18 The sons are gathering wood, the fathers are lighting the fire, and the wives are kneading dough in order to make sacrificial cakes to the Queen of Heaven, and they are pouring out drink offerings to other gods to offend me. 19 ‘But am I the one they are hurting?’* declares Jehovah. ‘Is it not they themselves, to their own shame?’ 20 Therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah says, ‘Look! My anger and my wrath will be poured out on this place, on man and beast, on the trees of the field and the fruitage of the ground; it will burn and will not be extinguished.’
Acts 7:42 But God turned away from them and gave them over to the worship of the sun, moon and stars. This agrees with what is written in the book of the prophets: “’Did you bring me sacrifices and offerings forty years in the wilderness, people of Israel?
I agree. I also accepted this when that person who watches Lloyd's channel called in and is part of the JWs was saying it's not so bad. She said it's not so strict. A lot of people crave control and order even if idiots are ruling them.
My ONLY reason for staying in the JW cult for decades, even when I became an adult, was the hope that I’d see my Mom & Dad again. ❤ Not that there would be a paradise on earth or that we’d live forever. I was highly sceptical about that, and many other things. But like so many, I HAD to keep going to meetings and have Bible studies in order to be able to be with my Dad’s side of the family. Now they’ve completely shunned me, but I don’t care really; feel sorry for them and their wasted lives. I told my Dad one time that living forever would be boring zzzzz. He only said “Don’t say that, tsk, tsk, tsk”.
I knew Watchtower was BS, but I had this tiny hope that I’d see them again.
I think it’s the hope, and I believe the reason why so many JWs stay in, is for this very tiny hope.
My state of Washington is going after the ‘organization’ in a very big way, over the CSA allegations. I have a funny feeling we’re not the only state gearing up for this, and I think this is what could end them. I see a slow implosion on the horizon.
And all I’ve got to say is…let it burn. 😂🤷🏼♀️
Yep! I hope it goes through quickly too.
Hey fam, I'm also in Washington!! Let's connect! I'd love to interview you especially if you're within a 45-minute drive of Seattle
@@zachlightcap2179 I'm in skyway not far from Kent! Let's link! Wanna meet at retro Emporium downtown!! I love that place and need to visit soon anyways. Let me interview you!!
@@chrissyparkins1615 yoo let's chat about it in a interview for my channel I'm in skyway and can drive!! I own a tiny bakery called. Moon Village Bakery. You can meet me here too.
I've notice where I live, North London, the JWs standing next to the carts are middle aged and elderly, you see very few young JWs
And they don’t engage hardly at all. I think there are many pimos more than they admit. Quite a few members are aware of the underlying dissent.
I live in the Midlands and most in my mums congregation are middle aged to elderly
Same in USA
Thank you Lloyd. I am a PIMO 18 year old Jehovah's Witness, and I can't tell you how much your words at the end meant to me. Thank you for fighting for us, and you've definitely inspired a new generation of freedom fighters - a legacy to be truly proud of
Satan used a servant now he uses human beings don’t be fooled brother
A serpant sorry bro
You don't need to explain too much about changing your mind, just call it "New Light" and you're good. And as usual, nice video
Lloyd has made an adjustment in our understanding.
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@@Ballykeith Food at proper time. Lol it’s funny we can pretty much tell when we stopped being a witness by the Terminology that we use. When I was a kid it was called “food for the proper time “and then it evolve to “new light “and then “an adjustment of understanding”. It really cracks me up.. 😆
Jehovahs name endures forever
I lived for nearly 0 in a house about two miles down the road from a Jehovah Witness church. We got regular visits and my angel of a mother usually had this to say. She said it in her angelic voice. "I have nothing against your religion but I don't want to join it myself" She never told them to not come over and come over they did. I personally was nice to them also but I felt they were wasting their time with me because I personally am not into religion of any denomination. I was especially kind to children they brought. They never quit coming until mother died and I moved away.
I am sorry to say the reason they bothered you was so they could start counting their time.
your contribution is invaluable. a big hug from Sicily.
Financially Bankrupt- Far From it. Morally Bankrupt- without question.
The one thing that might change that thought is if governments catch up to them like Norway did, that might accelerate their decent but yeah otherwise our families are going to die and we might die and they'll still be here unfortunately
I don't think JW'S are going anywhere too soon either. Unfortunately people will be trapped in their own hell, and some will escape.
I'm from Brazil and I'd like to congratulate you for very good job and honesty about JW! I'm out of JW about 15 years and unhaplly have one brother and a sister inside that organization. Unhappily i have to agree with you about you changed ponit of view about JW, they will keep going sadly for very long time. But, year by year going each day weaker until in uncertain time fade way. I wish you the best in your goal to show real truth to whom may be interested!
Love your words about Ray Franz. I read Crisis of Concience 30 years ago...and that was it for me.
I have to get that book.
@@KitKatSukiKat look for a free copy online
For several years now I've been wondering when the 'org' will bring out "the love of the greater number will cool off" rabbit out of the bag!
Forever my boy never disappointed the truth will prove itself
Lawsuits that are pending will definitely hurt them, but I don’t think it will bring them down. Thank you Lloyd, as always!
Satan will never be at Jehovah ever
@@Chris-zh1ff what do you mean?
very observant i do care very much and am so gratfull for your channel.thank you Lloyd
I wonder how you do it Lloyd - you strike me as such a gentle and warm soul despite all that's wrong. Most of the time I still feel so angry and hurt although my experience is some 20 years in the past now and I've done loads of therapy. You are such a shining beacon of hope. Love this community and your contribution! Keep it up!
Why though? My hurt is more about the reality that there probably is no paradise or resurrection that hope they gave people felt so good to my soul now it’s just a dark sad grim reality to face
@@ITS1985 That's pretty irrelevant in my mind. What is far far more important is all of the people who are having their one single future paradise-less life wasted by these awful people.
@@cookiesontoast9981 so what? let them live in the delusion atleast it feels good to them the reality isn’t any more liberating as death awaits us all…believe what you want
@@ITS1985 i m sorry you feel like that . i know when i first left i felt a bit nihilistic , but the beauty of life away from WT is that you get to chose your lifes purpose and its meaning , it does not have to be anything significant , just whatever you want it to be .. find what makes you happy and fulfilled and spend your time doing it !
if those feelings persist then some therapy may help as you could be dealing with depression or trauma from what you have been through.
i know i would rather deal with reality than the false hope the JWs offer ...
wish you all the best ! take care
Not going to lie. Realistically feel ypu are probably right but it makes me sad to hear it. Especially from you. But keeping it real is important. Thanks lloyd.
I think the organization peaked at 2016-18, but I don't see it growing any more In the information age. However, I agree with you that JWs are not going to vanish anytime soon. To me, they will get more and more extreme in their beliefs, to the point where only "hardcore PIMIs" will be the ones staying.
And I absolutely agree with you that for those of us who are out, we should do our best to expose this cult so more people can wake up.
Thank you for all your hard work and keep it up 💪
PIMOs want to be free, you don't have to walk bent over in a receiving position. John 8:36
😂😂do your best to expose, yah right. Y’all are all just mad and bitter. Get over it, you’re not in the club anymore. And that’s ok, cuz the club sux anyways. So move on, be happy and stop hating. Who cares if they want to be and stay a jw, like who cares!!!
@Greg LeJacques I’m not mad, I’m here to heal y’all. It’s ok, the club wasn’t for you, seriously. Like , live life, be happy, share love and tolerance. Why stay up on something that was so toxic to you? Makes no sense. Be free love✌️
Tibor is always so gracious 💗☺️
They make a great team don't they?🙂🙂
Except for that one time …
Well my parents are deep in. It is a matter of mental security in the way that they will never recognize the fact they wasted their life. Too hard to carry on with that. The brain won’t allow it to happen
Thanks
Nice presentation Lloyd !
You are spot on with everything you brought out in your video Lloyd.
They weren't running out of money. They just wanted more.
An ex Jehova's witness has just died in Argentina. Her name was Delicia Cortesini. She was an old person. She left the sect some time ago. Her sons used all of their weapons against her which literally killed her. She was taken to a hospital by her sons and never returned. Her story as a jw is too sad to be told in a few lines, but you would see who they really are if you could get to read the facts
That is so sad. Dwelling on it won't bring her back. Live your life, enjoy your life. If there is an afterlife, her sons will be called into an account for their behavior, so will others.
I was following her story. The moment she openly spoke against the WT, her children placed her in a mental health facility. Activists were trying to help her, but the pain was too much, and her heart couldn't take it.
Many times, The Lord Himself makes changes (water becomes wine). Other times, The Lord makes the necessary changes by means of other people, including believers or non-believers.
I do believe such is the case here. He could be working with ex- jws to show the world how wrong this cult is.
@@EfrainRiveraJunior where can I read her story?? I would like to follow it please
Omg just reading what little I can find….. really hope lloyed follows her story
Well said Lloyd! Thanks for the update on your thoughts and expectations!💚
12:59 Of course scientology is very small. Another comparison might be the LDS church. And they're loosing members in high percentages. From what I understand in the age group 18-30 '(being the age group where faith crises typically happen) 60-70% leaves these days. An idea might be to ask eg John Dehlin of Mormon Stories to interview him about this.
Yes they are struggling too and maybe actually one of the richest institutions on earth, I heard recently.
interview Nemo the Mormon, who deals more with the financial disclosures. He is excellent.
Thanks for keeping it real, Lloyd.
The problem is that the organization is funded by smart capital AND very rich donors. In other words, a subtle negative growth in members is actually beneficial for them because it means less investment per capita.
The organization will likely be around for some time, unless lawsuits keep piling up, however their finances is much less than other similar sized organizations. They are relying less on donations and more on real estate and investments, they still have enough followers who volunteer labour for building projects which they later sell off. One thing that's undeniable is the number of followers are leaving and it's not slowing down. The organization can still be a thing even without the membership numbers but it won't be as significant. Branches are still closing along with kingdom halls, new projects are still happening but it's all consolidation while walking away with profit.
At least as membership shrinks, there are fewer tentacles for csa. Maybe the value of csa offenders in this org is the general message it sends to the rest of society and maybe deters others.
"You just cannot kill the thing " Part hahaha got me laughing
I am in my sixties and hoping to see the end of Watchtower! My story has not been told yet but I keep waiting for a like minded person with the same experince. We need to carry on! Good job!
Nahhhh, you’re not being negative, Lloyd, you’re being a realist. 💕
My opinion is that the wtbts will only be bought down by their being charged with criminal offences. That can only happen if governments investigate them thoroughly. They are a property and publishing corporation using the tax code’s religious exemption as a cover and to shield their income and illicit activities
Charities are meant to establish charitable status by demonstrating the needs they recognise and meet. Unfortunately somebody thought injecting peoples minds with religion would serve as an act of grace on their state of wealth and health, time governments noticed this may not be the case at all but rather provide the basis for said religion to carry on its fraud with the help of tax payers
I like that sweater Lloyd... Where'd you get it what's the brand?
I’ve been admiring the sweater myself and wondering where he bought it 😊
I was looking for something fresh and up popped the video.
This is my Sunday morning 🌄 spiritual food, hehe. Mimosas work too, but I have to go to market.
I went shopping on Wednesday at my little local South Essex shopping centre, about 5 miles from the nearest Kingdom Hall. At 1:30pm I spied a JW trolley outside the Morrison supermarket. With a tall man calling after somebody walking away. He was definitely not a local. At that time on a Wednesday the shopping centre was almost deserted, and I whizzed through Morrisons and Iceland. As there were only a couple of shoppers about. 🤔
If what is happening in Pennsylvania starts happening everywhere then we might be able to do something about the governing body if the child molesters are publicly outed everywhere, people can see that all these people are being sheltered by the organization then we might get that public outcry that will start the ball rolling. It might be wishful thinking but for now that's all we have.
I think that, sadly, it mostly interests exJW's, and most people don't care. JW's benefits of a real good image thanks to them "being nice", and all the borderline JW/Raised JW/JW's friends (POMIs & cie), who will defend them because they are sometimes mocked or criticized by other religions. And I know, I've been an unbaptized POMI for years and it's what I did, and it worked well ! To my surprise. I even made some people thinking about joining the movement because they liked my "JW part", although I'm a clear and assumed pothead, music heavy listener, I did dance and was so far from what people think about JW's that when they learned that my parents were and "it's not a cult, they are nice people and sincere and blabla", they were seduced by the apparent "open mindness" JW's had. But it was just through my image, and I've met a lot of POMIs and we just did that: good image, cool attitude campaign for the JW's... For free...
And I know a lot of people in medias know, or have in their family some JW's who participate to soften the public view of what that organization really do. So, this frustrates me, but I think they benefit from a nice perception by most people. And I'm ashamed and angry to have been a POMI for so long, defending stupid things (although some of the mockeries were mean and unfair...)
I admire and respect your courageous journey. You're a calming and empowering presence carrying on important work. Thank you
"Tibor" sounds like the name of a 1950s sci-fi robot.
I never thought "Tibor" was a human
T-BOR 9000
You have not changed your mind Lloyd, that’s called new light 😂
Lloyd I love your honesty
Controlled information and enforced shunning keeps them in business.
They sold the WT building for $340 Million. That would last for a while. The Docs didn't show a lean when it sold.
Considering they own and hold title to every kingdom hall in the world they will never go bankrupt unless real estate becomes worthless. The opposite is true now with land values skyrocketing...in North America anyhow. They may become land rich and cash poor one day...but as membership falls, they will consolidate congregations and sell off kingdom halls. It's already happened. I think it's only a matter of time before governments start taxing the churches. I don't see any church opening their doors to the homeless or feeding the hungry. Time they pay their fair share.
Hello Lloyd, this is a little off topic, but watching the Super Bowl and seeing Serena Williams, a baptized Jehovah Witness participating in 2 alcohol commercials. I wonder what Tony Morris would say?
if it's a single malt whiskey commercial, he will be proud
My childhood congregation has only the older generation. I went back couple years before the pandemic and they were so excited I had children to bring. Turns out that of all 20 something kids that we were in 80’as and 90’s only 1 remained. All have left organization but still live in town. A few did return during pandemic because they thought end was coming; as they told me so, I wanted to tell them not to do it, but they were scared.
Thank you for this. I feel exactly as you do, I'm doing my own small part with my channel, since my audience is french-speaking, I only have about 850 subs, but I know for a fact many more watch, including PIMO's, JW's who have doubts, and others who may have been interested by the cult but changed their minds after watching some of my videos. The comments I get are heartwarming and motivate me to keep fighting. Just yesterday I posted a video about the Pennsylvania situation, and I urged my listeners to share the video with politicians in their countries, send letters, emails, petitions, etc. It's just a small drop of water in the bucket, but I like to think it might make a difference. Thank you again, Lloyd, and let's take the fight to Watchtower!
Your work is making a difference, an important life changing impact on so many. Thank you.
this video was very thought provoking, thank you Lloyd ! I truly hope we can see the watchtower crumble, even if its slowly, bit by bit.
Lloyd, i do not have a dog in this race. I am, as you say, watching the train wreck unfold. Yes, i have some family that are jw's, and I was raised mormon. (You have replied to my two voicemails about that). But I watch your videos because I like you. I like the way you cover topics. I like your style and your intelligence. Im glad I found you. However, as a mother of 5 children, now almost all grown and gone, this is absolutely appalling! And I do agree with you. We need to make this information more available to those who do have power and a voice. Any religion that covers up child abuse, sexual or otherwise, does not deserve the right to look down on others and think they are on the right path. I try not to just to complain, but to come up with a solution. So, between you and all your co-activists, is there someway to start some kind of letter writing campaign? Like in the U.S. to our local statesmen? Idk, im at a loss, but I know for a fact, I would sit and write a very heartfelt plea for this to be looked in to. Thank you again for all your hard work and dedication to stopping the injustice you see and know!
I think letter writing is a good idea to let state governments be aware of the sex abuse of children, but Catholic church, politicians , Mormons, movie starts do the same underling sex crap. But writing those active JW about false doctrines in the WT publications but do it anonymously be a good thing
Norway knocking them off the charity perch is a good start. Quite appalling when you consider taxpayer dolllars are empowering child abuse. Another consideration is perverted individuals in power need to source their supply from somewhere. But we need to chip away at least at the parts of the iceberg that are showing.
This is a common thing with millernarian cults, when the followers realise that the spectacular prophecies will not materialise they just drift away and the cult dies.
They will never realise that… amargeddon has been just around the corner for atleast 50 years now
Buy land and build halls with the free labor. Then Sale these halls and make money. How long will that go on before the people wake-up?
The organization has a strong celebrity connection too. Michael Jackson was arguably the biggest superstar of all time. Prince is a legend. Serena Williams is a legend. But mainstream media doesn't really latch onto that for some reason. Michael Jackson alone was more famous than all of the celebrities in Scientology combined, including Tom Cruise.
Ive always thought that too
Last night I was watching Super Bowl and there was serena Williams in brandy and beer commercials. Hmmm tony must be proud of her 😂
But only Tom Cruise can save the world through Top Gun ;-)
Pedo superstar happened to be a JW 😏
Dear Lloyd,
Thank you for another heartfelt and logical video 👍 The simple truth is that we need more governmental judges like the legendary Peter McClellan and Angus Stewart who base their sound judgement on 'evidential facts' and personal research. Ultimately, in my honest opinion, love doesn't judge.. it considers, shows empathetic compassion and respect for fellow humankind. All of which the Jehovah's Witness organisation, along with EVERY religious denomination that regard themselves as 'the truth' greatly disregard.
The society is making it easier to be a Jw than it was when I was ‘in the truth’ 40 years ago. There were 3 meetings per week as opposed to 2, longer assemblies, pioneers doing less hours and to be a publisher a minimum of 15 minutes per month!
I think the majority don’t know or particularly care what the doctrine are. They think it’s the best life ever where everyone loves each other, with the thought of a new system some time in the future.
Interesting analysis Lloyd. I guess we'll have to wait and see.
Good afternoon my husband is a JW and I am not and we have been married for over 26 years. I don’t go to the service but from what I have seen they are still very active in Arizona. But not sure nationwide.
The moment I see their numbers go from 8+ million down to 7,999,999, it will be a win for me.
Won't happen numbers are up already
@@vanessap6118 - You mean their made-up numbers? Let's see how long they can keep those fake numbers on the board.
Well thanks for passing in my cheerios this morning loyd!
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Gajus Glockentin. Wasn't he the one who encouraged JWs to make friends with Jehovah and Jesus by giving the organization money? I found that appeal of his to be jaw-droppingly blatant and crass.
Amen. Truly just like the world they claim not to be.
This video was literally what I was thinking of asking your thoughts on. I like that the light is getting “brighter and brighter.” 😅
Have you considered talking with Rolf Furuli?
The problem of abuse is worldwide not only a religious case !
Jj Kerkhoff,
True, but the JW Organization still has horrendously lax methods of dealing with cases of child sexual abuse within its ranks, and that is something they should not be allowed to get away with. They have policies and a culture that helps to shield the identities of molesters from the authorities.
I just hope the governing body are not crazy enough to cause another Jonestown, for even if the elders deserve that death the normal members don't.
Most of the elders are victims. A lot of them barely keep up with changes in policies. They should be rereading the shepherd book but I know the elders in the congregations I was in weren't keeping up. They'd institute changes and revert back to the 80s within 6 months.
The elders who deal with CSA and don't question the policies deserve severe punishment but I'd hate to see them killed in some kind of Jonestown event.
At the very least, I'd like to see such elders punished by long prison terms, a year or more and public humiliation in order to send a message to the rest of the elders so they can, at the very least, self delete.
Even the elders who I am most disgusted with have redeeming qualities and I hope to see a few of them wake up as the shit really keeps hitting the fan.
It's already hundred times worse then Jonestown. Wait till the Effects of mandatory vaccination GB has demanded on elders kick in.
I agree well put the elders that have the courage to speak out have left and I know many who would leave if it became even more public. Quite a few of them are victims but there is so much complicity. It’s like a military. At some point saying we were following orders…. Isn’t enough.
We need to know what countries are showing the minimum growth. That could tell were the organizayion is heading
Org was founded in the USA. They hade negative numbers in the USA 2022. That's a Very symbolic number about their future
I would argue that in 2015 the organization was cash poor but asset rich.
They’ve since liquidated a bunch of Kingdom Halls to create a cash buffer and cut costs to the point that they aren’t bleeding anymore.
Keep your chin up Lloyd.
That’s why they have a gov body, so that they can’t fold due to one leader being arrested and sent to prison.
While bankruptcy would be a hassle for them, even if it happened tomorrow, it likely would not be the end either. They have assets which can be sold off, and a lot of cults get by with smaller management or memberships, there is a range of ways to restructure that debt and/or reorganize/restart the corporate structure and member donations would still flow in.
They would go underground and activate the persecution complex
This may be a useless question but have you sent the info you have in Australian inquiry and the British icsa (sp?) Info to spotlight section of the Boston newspaper that broke the catholic pedi scandal (investigation is there substance). Very interested in the subject matter Boston it's a Catholic thing so you would need to share directly with the spotlight unit.
I Don't know Lloyd. I have this Feeling that WE Will In My Lifetime (I've Got Some Years on You) see the Demise and Departure of the JW's and Organization. Nobody can Predict the Future, but there are Countless Variables of Outcomes. None Good. So Far in My Decades, I've got a 99% Track Record with My "Feeling" coming to Fruition.
Yeah i got a feeling that watchtower is heading for a real mess. That feeling has just been getting stronger last ten years. There's nothing positive to say about the future of org
I literally clapped at the end of this video. I loved the way you ended it!! 👏👏👏👏
Was hoping for in 5years they are a bust. 😅Thank you for all your work 👍
All the ex-JW videos are really helping steer people away from JW and helping people leave, even if JW exists. There will certainly be more scandals and bad press in the future, so that will turn the legal system and the public against JW.
So many things going through my mind while listening to Lloyds comments on this subject.
Such as: truth can not be measured or established by the number of people who agree on what it is.
Also, while negative press can be detrimental to an organization, it can also stiffen the resolve of true believers and assist in recruitment.
And of course family expansion will result in new members even if individuals in the family have their legitimate doubts. Family dynamics, the inherent need to ‘belong’ in the family group can be a powerful deterrent against going against the grain of the Witness family unit.
Even those in the family who have genuine concerns about the rightness of the cause cannot readily imagine a better alternative that would make the gain worth the cost.
As far as the CSA debacle, I can’t help but think that while frustration with the disinterest on the part of some authorities is understandable, the real question is why Watchtower is so reluctant to include the proper authorities in these matters when they arise. Are they concerned primarily with the public backlash that might ensue or are they perhaps more concerned with the effect public awareness would have on the rank and file?
If I as a Witness get a speeding ticket wouldn’t those in the congregation conclude that was my problem and the consequences were a clear case of reaping what I sowed?
Why wouldn’t something like CSA, which is far more serious, merit a similar response.
I know the two aren’t the same but each would include the right to deny the charges and have our day in court.
And wouldn’t such a position make crystal clear that Watchtower abhors such behavior?
Organisations by their nature can delegate and avoid blame. They can create policies that back them up in that endeavour. Unfortunately in the state of mind that goes with mistaking the gb for God and the fear of loosing all friends and family members goes blind allegiance and following of rules. The legal system rightly attributes blame to adults as coercive mind control and failure to critically analyse thoughts and actions are not a defence to csa and other criminal activities. I think the policies and procedures exposed at the Australian Royal Commission implemented by the borg show it is expecting accusations which it has set itself up to deflect and a decrease in numbers as it sacrifices the faithful, this won’t prevent new recruits and the continuance of these policies. All a bit sick but in keeping with the psychopathy of corporations. The corporatisation of religion can be a lethal combination.
I’m not a Jehovahs Witness but I use reverse disfellowship tactics on them. When they approach me I say “you know we’re not supposed to be talking, your disfellowshipped”
Okay yes they keep on playing the same old drum beat for decades but I do feel heartbroken to think there’s no resurrection or a beautiful eternal life they taught about those were now nothing but pipe dreams and now just thinking about ceasing to ever exist after death just depresses me ….why 😫
I’m praying for the sake of the followers who have suffered so much that they become the chosen people of Jesus. Everyone is blind and so far off truth. He should choose them.
I have hope. But we won't get there just by letting time pass . We have to fight for it to get better. For each step and on all fronts.
Your voice is so calming yet kinda reminds me of certain era's..
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The numbers they publish are impossible to verify, how do we even know they are real….
With the “overlapping generation” they bought a few decades before having to reinvent again -AND- if we buy THAT and STILL think armmagheddon is any second now then one is a lifer and there’s no chance of waking up; obviously the biggest growth is happening where there’s the least internet and least depth of knowledge of authentic Christianity.
Africa is obviously where they’re making gains and here in the Midwest there’s actually a huge push to pursue the Amish.
Developed nations will continue to stagnate and decline
good review Lloyd spot on. When are you gonna make an item about the PID? also very interesting to look into with Robert Hendriks |||...?
In the light of this 'new light'; should we redact any chapters of either of your prior publications? Should we view possession and/or reading of either or both publications as an act of apostate apostacy?
You're probably right 🥺 but I hope they prove you wrong! 😜
Kool aid? Anyone? Kool aid?
I get sooo angry because the Rank and File....KNOOOOOWS DAAAM WELL THAT THE SILENT RULE OF " NOT BRINGING REPROACH ON JEHOVAH(CORPORATION REALLY) ALWAAAAAYS MENT FOR THE MOST PART KEEP EVERYTHING INHOUSE!!!
Have you ever made a video of a normal day in the life of a JW at the temple and door knocking . It fascinates me how grueling its gotta be
Look into the LDS church. I'd be curious what your thoughts are
So you saying that we’re going back to “book study” groups? Awesome!!!
If Watch Tower is having all these lawsuits to pay off such as those relating to CSA. Why doesn't Watch Tower just get rid of their problematic policies that lead to them? Why are they so committed to their weird rules if it costs them so much money? Can't they just say they have "new light" and get rid of them? I don't get it.
Growing and going strong is the organization and all back at in person assemblies and conventions 💪
So they really are in the "final days of the last days", just as an organization, not as a "body of believers".
They are not only holding those info, elders are now instructed to DESTROY all evidence
My guess is they will simply reverse gear on their stance on childbirth: where in past decades they have discouraged young witnesses from having children so they could spend more time and money on Watchtower business, the governing body will in the future draw from the well of scriptures that point to how joyful having many children is, in order to boost births (therefore baptisms) within the organization. Service hours will go down accordingly, but since for all their efforts they don't convert anybody anymore, it will hardly matter.
Assuming that works, in 20 years time they will have built themselves a new batch of "paying customers" to keep the coffers stocked and the lights on.
I’d bet the house that you’re right.
I'm excited to see what the annual reports will look like from now on. Many young ones are leaving and WT is counting on young ones to keep the org going. WT may never completely die but they will decline in number or at least that's what we all hope. Just hate seeing Jehovah's witnesses lied to about the org.
I think the same way! and I see the continuity of this sect in the way they are focused on teaching children, future elders and their wives
Damn, and I was having such a good day...
I think he just woke up wrong side of bed today 😂 I don't see anything positive in watchtowers future
This video reminds me of something a military analist said 'you most fundamental error that you can make while predicting your opponent is that they will keep doing exactly the same'. It's very reasonable to think the organization was in a bad financial shape a couple of years ago and also very human to hope that was going to be the end for them.