12 problems with the Jehovah's Witness teaching of paradise
Вставка
- Опубліковано 16 вер 2024
- 8.5 million Jehovah's Witnesses relish the prospect of one day frolicking on a panda-strewn planet earth that has been terraformed into a cross between Switzerland and the Bahamas. But start asking too many questions about this yearned-for utopia, and it soon begins to unravel.
This video topic was voted for by my patrons. If you would like to learn more about supporting my work via Patreon, please visit / cedars
Visit my website: reluctantapost...
Support me on Patreon: / cedars
Support me via PayPal: paypal.me/jwsu...
Follow me on Twitter: / cedarsjwsurvey
Follow me on Twitch: / lloydevans
Follow me on Instagram: / lloydevanscedars
Buy my book "The Reluctant Apostate": a.co/5qFN4JU
Buy my book “How to Escape From Jehovah’s Witnesses“: a.co/e9OQRi1
Leave a voicemail: www.speakpipe....
Check out my t-shirt designs: teespring.com/...
Learn more about #jehovahswitnesses: jwfacts.com and jwsurvey.org
If you are personally impacted by the issues discussed in my videos and you are in need of support, please feel free to reach out to the JWsurvey team at the following email: support@jwsurvey.org
Alternatively, you might consider contacting the Recovering from Religion Foundation, which has trained call agents and support groups specializing in assisting those who have suffered as a result of their experience with religious groups. For more information, please visit: www.recovering...
Though I am deeply touched by the considerable interest in my work, I kindly ask that viewers do NOT try to contact me using Facebook. I very rarely use Facebook as a means of communicating with people and I have unfortunately received hostility from people whose Facebook messages have gone unanswered. If you send a voicemail or JWsurvey email, and your request is urgent, either myself or one of the team of JWsurvey volunteers will attempt to respond. Otherwise, please understand that my time is stretched between my work as an activist and my private life, including my responsibilities as a father and husband. As much as I would like to make myself available to each and every person who reaches out to me, this will only occasionally be possible. I appreciate your understanding.
#paradise #armageddon
Those damn crocodiles got in my garden and ate all my daisies again
dying🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
best comment 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
😄😄😄
LOL
LOL! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Congratulations! You just won the comment section!
When i was a JW child the most thing I looked forward to in paradise was having a pet tiger. I'm now 55 and and have a cat, near enough 😆
Congratulations sister Baskin
LOL
Aww 🤣
How are you going with getting older? I’m 52 and there are times I’m struggling to accept it, I was told my whole childhood I wouldn’t get past 20 because the paradise would be here by then. Then 30. I left by 28 and 7 years of near fatal, unsupported depression
The thing is it's okay even it's carnivorous, if you practice them to eat leaves and be friendly with you ever since they born, they are gonna learn it and follow how you practiced them ..
And also can be a herbivorous..
ALSO think that there's so many animals out there these days who were trained like that and now living so well even they did born as carnivores....
That's what GB's tool too;;; brainwashing..
Sisters can clean up bodies but not hold a microphone.
JW women are expected to know their place.
They already clean the house, they where made for this, holding things? Not so much.
Must clean
Must be undirty
Don’t stop cleaning
.
The cleaning up bodies is upto sisters??? Not brothers??
@@erenjeager4369 sure. all the cleanings are sisters stuff
I know RIGHT?
Like many others, i cannot believe that i used to believe this nonsense
elders told us lions & tigers would eat only grass cause they'll be peaceful and no longer 'kill'
this is probably the main question we ex born- in jw have!! I was raised with the Paradise Lost... book, in the 50s. Why did I believe that there was a paradise at the beginning? my parents believed it, but also the other christian catholic or protestant kids were familiar with this idea...it was in our christian culture. How could a creationist believe that God s creation wasn’ t perfect at beginning? this is the original false idea, which leads to false conclusions. Later, as young adults, we all asked or even discussed most of the 12 questions. But we thought, there are no answers, its beyond our understanding, J will help us in time. Some of us were not longing to a Switzerland style paradise, we believed in technology and science. We knew that the paradise pictures were just a common accepted illustration. Once you believe in a lost paradise, it makes sense to believe there is a divine plan to recover it...
People always know how to make excuses... that's the way to lose.. :)
Yes, it's almost embarrassing, isn't it? Not only thst but we tried to convert others to that way of thinking.
@@milham76 yes, not only did we try, as for me, i succeeded and brought « in » a lot of ppl, even in my college time; they also raised their children in this way...now i bitterly regret, and also, they were my best friends, and i lost them
Birds are going to eat the dead but I thought that all animals would only eat plants in paradise
EXACTLY!!! great 💭 !
Temporary carnivores?
@@clairenollet2389 LMBAO!
Plot Hole lol
Maybe thats how the carnivores are meant to eat in paradise, there's gonna be 7 plus billion dead bodies haha 😂
How many have not married, not had children, never lived in their own houses, how many
just preached & sat for hundreds of hours on their butts trying not to fall asleep!
Just a colossal loss for them & society!
This! I’ve put off marriage and having children because I’ve believed I’d have time in the new system. How many of us have made irreversible life decisions w these teachings? This org has to be stopped. They are literally robbing people of their lives.
@@aric3919 yes purposely robbing the flock of their human rights, even to chose medical treatments to save their lives! Remember how GB Geffrey Jackson tried to convince single sisters to stay single, & when his wife died he married a much younger woman within a couple of mths! .
@@jerryjohanan1940 go slow, make your plan.
@@jerryjohanan1940 I have already saved my children in 2019 and my wife is following the same path. I was the first in my family to wake up (april 2019) . Once freed from this psychic grip, my health improved and all my chronic pain subsided to the amazement of those around me. Today I help PIMO more and more to prepare their outings. I am at peace with myself because I am finally myself. The rest of the family and the in-laws will follow, it's only a matter of time, I was just faster than them.
I remember an article in the Awake, when I was a kid, it said that people should think about not having children in this system but instead wait for the new system of things. I wonder how many people have done that.
Notice how Lett said "The Watchtower commented on that" and not the Bible
meanwhile wt got apparently the same amount (if even not more) of reliability like the „holy” 📖 !!! incredible
Yeah that struck me as well. Basically like a snake eating its tail.
@C L sitting your own work as proof is so cringe.
The Weirdo appeals to authority...which is himself.
@@ronnieortega1709 it's more close to real Christianity than Jehovah's witnesses
Always rejoys for tomorrow, never enjoy today. That is their real slogan
Yup, keep waiting on Jehovah, you'll be happy in the future. For now be miserable and suffer Satan's onslaught until I fix everything for you. Until then, keep waiting....and waiting...
The same message was utilized to keep slaves in their place. You're life here is shit, but it will be wonderful in heaven. So, just don't try to rebel.
@@blackalien6873 yep, exactly, I agree, I’m white from Europe, but my spouse was black and my child too.
This is the thinking that has damaged my ability to enjoy the moment, to stop the subconscious feeling that I'm always waiting for life to start. I hate it.
@@beekind14 I believe that once you know the source, you can unroot it. It takes work but when I got out at first, I thought oh all this will disappear so it's like I'm walking in a back to the future movie and I get to see the world before it changed. That helped me in the beginning, now I just catch myself being to much about tomorrow and I go in to the feeling of being here and now. For example : oh, I'm going to eat ice cream in bed and watch a movie based on magic and just take care of myself in this moment. " daydream.. Or do something else you feel like.. Having a beer with friends... The important is to enjoy now and yes.. Do those classic new age adwice of meditating on the word fun.. Or happy and what it means to you... Sounds corny but it really works.. Show your soul that you can play hooky on those stupid doomsday thoughts. 😁
I didn’t believe that we would forget those we loved. I never accepted that teaching.
Me neither...like how would that be "lovingly" possible...😢
That was one of the last straws for me. I’m a born in multi generational but nothing they said ever made sense to me since childhood. I always figured I wasn’t doing a good enough job but when I turned 18-19 I said that’s it and discovered my spirituality for myself. Had a brief relapse at 25 but no matter how hard I tried none of this made sense and I couldn’t stand the fakeness and lack of genuine love. I always felt if I had to spend eternity with this lot then I’d rather die anyway. It was only after all of this I discovered the online commit exjws and felt massive validation. So proud of us all for making it out.
I used that teaching against my family when I left. I asked them why they were sad that I left? When you get to the new system you won't miss me and I'll not know I'm not there so why would you be sad now? I got a ton of blank stares but never got a legit answer to these questions
@@wunderinwyndfeatherakaskje8872 nothing about what the Bible teaches is "loving". God creates man, God gets in a pissing match with an angel, God throws the angel to earth on a bet. God loses the bet, God creates suffering as part of his divine tantrum and then God threatens death to all who don't make him happy.
@@kirstenornelas881 - Great answer.
The biggest problem of living in "paradise" is that it's in a world filled with Jehovah's Witnesses. No thanks
Yes. I'd rather be in peace and dead.
And we all know that most Jehovah's Witness show superficial love only if you're a fellow Jehovah's Witness, now am I suppose to expect real love in a so-called Paradise?!
Yes and I want to grow my hair long and listen to heavy metal and drink 🍺 beer but it will not be allowed 🍻🎸
The witnesses will be redundant because there are no doors to knock on or people to convert! LOL
will it be patadise for pedos?
Eternal life as a gardener. That's an awful lot of weeding.
I remember being told and reading that Weeds came as a curse a punishment when Adam and Eve sinned
@@siennacrafty7878 thats alot of bull...cuz many many weeds are actually medicinal plants...🤔😉
@@siennacrafty7878 LOL 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Just as long as they aren't growing or using any actual weed 😅🌳🌬💨🥴
That would be too much fun, even for paradise!
@@siennacrafty7878 yeah used to tick me off when I was growing up when they would say that the reason women have labor pains is because Eve sinned. I started thinking well if that’s the case why do all animals when they go into labor have discomfort? They didn’t do anything wrong. Just one of my many questions that just didn’t make any sense growing up in this cult. 🤔
It would make a great horror movie for someone to make a movie of Armageddon and what the JWs who survived actually got as their "paradise."
Exactly, lol :D Would 100% watch.
I always wanted to make a movie where the four horsemen start their attack with Jesus but hadn't been paying attention to the advancements of civilization... jesus mounts his attack with his army of angels, but inadvertently gets hit by an airplane on their way down to earth lol
@@samuelboczek1834 there is one on kweli TV app it's a movie made about if the witnesses were right its kinda creepy
I used to think about this about 10 years ago as a kid. I used to think if I ever became a film director I would do this hahah
YES!,,
Had a lovely walk today I'm already living in paradise this wonderful planet earth. Love to all
Me to...frosted trees along a swiftly flowing river...bright blue skies...birds a chirping...lovely! 👍🏽☺️
I can tell you that since leaving Jw s there has been no lonely deserts or frozen thundras in my soul or heart. Especially after finding this channel!! High five to all of you grown-up inner children who got out!! So good to see you!!! 🙌
You as well! 💪🏽😁💕🇨🇦
@@wunderinwyndfeatherakaskje8872 ❤️❤️❤️
Most surely you have your reward in full
Yep got out 50 years ago. No turning back!
Yeah me too, got out when i was 20 and will be 76 this sept '23, had a clear mind with no misgiudance from d watchtower since then.
This one should be shared far, and wide. It's a knockout!
Yes, it will be good
And TRANSLATED to as many languages may I add.
I have just shared it on my facebook page, and hope my two sisters will see it and watch. I was just thinking about this topic about a week ago, and here comes a video explaining it so clearly, i was so happy to see this...thanks Lloyd.
Yeah a knockout to PIMI JWs. This can awaken any sleeping JWs.
PLEEEAASEEE SHAAAAAAREEEEE AND HELP THEM HELP THOSE PEOPLE !!!!!
Watching these Governing Body members in action was a great part of my waking up.
I wish my little brother would wake up...
@@morpheus5302 - Do you speak to your brother?
@@EfrainRiveraJunior yes, luckily i have a decent relationship with him because I didnt get to baptism, but he did a couple of years ago.
@@morpheus5302 - Good. I have a good relationship with my younger brother, and it was him who triggered my waking up. He did so by asking me questions about Beth Sarim, The Australian Royal Commission, etc. In my quest to prove him wrong... I ended up waking up from the cult.
@@EfrainRiveraJunior thats very encouraging thanks you. However I feel a pressure in muy chest whenever I want to talk to him about It, i mean physical pain. Also, I end Up crying most of the times. But thank you, for giving me hope.
And why in this work-free world, are the women STILL serving meals?
Well, if this new world is full of joy, it must be saying that women’s greatest joy is to be found in serving men.
According to the doctrine. Jesus states to the pharisees, there will be no marriage in paradise.
What will we wear. Who will make our frocks and trousers. Perhaps we will all be happy with nakedness. Hope I don't live in a northern climate running around like the Swedish naked in the snow.
I Guess the idea of women serving others was so natural to the GB that they didnt took a pause to think wait, this Is Paradise.
Because religion is man-made...???
I could not get past the thought that my husband and I were going to go through all these trials and tribulations and if one of us dies we would not be together in paradise. When I learned this was what we were to believe I said to the group “ if that’s true than I’m out . I will live now and be with my husband now. If it’s possible that I won’t be with my husband in paradise than I don’t want to be there . What’s the point ? Maybe some of you don’t like your spouses so this sounds good to you but , I love my husband and I don’t want to live forever without him “ I got a lot of shocked looks and no one really knew what to say to me .
When the pharisees ask Jesus the question about who will be the man's wife if he continues to remarry. Jesus answer that there is no marriage. That's why they say: till death do you part.
Of course you will be with your husband in paradise. You just won't be having kids anymore.
soooo many witnesses can't stand their spouse. people thought my dad and step mom always got weird looks because they never wanted to be split up in service. some actually said it was creepy how they are always with each other.
like no, that's how you are _supposed_ to feel about your spouse!
@@rosssmith8481 that's not what Jesus said...
@@marvalice3455 Mathew 22 28;
In the resurrection therefore whose wife shall she be of the seven? for they all had her. 29 But Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. 30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as angels in heaven.
This is why you are free to remarry since marriage ends at death
I always feel like the more that Paradise gets talked about, less convincing it is.
Lies benefit from brevity, repetition and isolation. It seems that exJW along with fellow "wordly" listeners and activists and breaking the isolation part of the lie and WT is no longer able to keep the brevity and repetition of it. They need to change the message to adapt to stronger real feelings like living on the most peaceful era of our species, having increased our population so dramatically in the recent years and defeated yet another pandemic with less casualties, less economic damage and much more home entertainment than the last one.
And the less appealing it sounds....
It is kind of funny how Paradise is the grand prize yet it is so rarely discussed in any detail among JWs and when it is, it's just a mess of speculation, unanswered questions, and cognitive dissonance that leaves everyone in perplexed silence at the end.
When I was 12 I pointed out the carnivore dilemma to my dad, a loyal JW, and he surprised me by confiding that he thought it was figurative and the society was misinterpreting it as literal, something he probably wouldn't have dared tell most people. My family towed the line, they were missionaries, so it made me wonder how many JWs secretly disagree with the society on this most obvious point and just don't dare to admit it. Probably a good half.
I'm not related to JWs at all but have a similar belief of the 1000 years, my thoughts are either lab grown meat, or we genetically modify all the carnivores to become herbivores.
@@JustMark87 Or God just waves his magic wand and "hey presto" all problems disappear.
David…remember it’s ‘livvy-oh-sah’ not livvy-oh-soh’ … :-)
Anyone that knows much about biology would know that carnivores physically cannot survive on plant matter as their gastrointestinal tract isn't sophisticated enough. Herbivores typically either have multiple stomachs in which plant matter is fermented (like ruminants) or crops full of stones (like certain birds or sauropods) or they have extra long intestines (like perissodactyl ungulates such as horses) to extract as many calories and vitamins and minerals from the vegetation they eat as possible. Herbivory evolved millions of years later than carnivory, as it is easier for an animal to turn meat into flesh than it is to extract protein from plants or biosynthesize it. So yeah, I'm sure you're right, I bet tons of JWs harbor unspoken doubts about that teaching, among several others.
My grandmother told me the same thing. When I got disfellowhipped she also told me she didn't agree with the arrangement and never had. And she's been baptized for 60 years. It is her philosophy to quietly disbelieve things that don't make sense to her and wait for the GB to catch up LOL
I have my alarm, energy drink and notebook waiting for this
I have gin
@@awakeburndownwtandletthego4629 You got cool nickname. Incredible haiku )))
O yes, i can imagine it. Cheetahs hunting down vegetables at 68 miles per hour! LOL LOL
Pahahhaha someone should make that into a cartoon
People and Animals were vegetarians before the flood
@@gokaren420 Oh yes. Tigers and lions and many more predators should have been ruminants, and the crocs should have lived on fallen fruits. The tiny black widow, which venom is strong enough to kill a human being should been eating the pieces of leafs that stuck to it´s web.
Come on.... do you really believe in that?
Theory: The Amish are already living the life of JW New Earth
So has the trib happened and the Amish ARE the JWs who were raptured previously, in an earlier incarnation of the Earth? "Previously on Earth Rapture 1914..."
and it's shit.
Most Amish people have cellular phones and electricity now. Not even they have it as rough as JW would
@@Mrsjennaferg wrong
@@Mrsjennaferg
A few years ago I passed an Amish girl in a buggy. She was on her cell phone. The horse's reigns were at her feet. The horse apparently knew the way. Lol
Once had an older woman in the congregation tell me we wouldn’t poop in the new world because poo was an imperfect biproduct of our body. I about fell over laughing. Great vid as always
omg haha thats funny as hell
Not all people have a clear understanding. That’s why personal study is so important.
Oh. I was wondering about that. Poo is gross but the alternative seems unhealthy. "Our bums shall be sewn shut with the golden thread of the holy spirit"-the governing body. 😃
how is that funny we just wouldn’t have to go
😂💩
This shift toward painting the paradise as more like our modern world makes me almost think that they're trying to massage things so that one day they can just declare that the tribulation is over and they're in paradise now.
The jehovas Witness paradise sounds like a totalitarian state.
You´ll gonna miss people who aren´t there with you, but you´ll not miss them because Jehova want you to.
You´re told where to live and even if you don´t like it, you´ll like it because Jehova want you to.
Apparently, Individuality and Freedom aren´t part of this paradise.
Spell Jehovah right at least.
I can't even..this is all trash talk
Yes, no personal choice. Exactly as they currently live their lives.
@@sabrinadobbins2249 look at the user name missy! English is not the only language, other countries spell and say it differently.
@@sabrinadobbins2249 all you took away from the person’s comment, was that they left the “h” off Jehovah? If you care about the cult so much, why are you watching this video?
@@sabrinadobbins2249 actually..jehova is correct in other languages like Spanish
Outstanding job on this topic Lloyd!!! Thank you so much for this video. My husband was never a witness and I keep having to pause the video and explain the beliefs in more detail. Horrifyingly I still can explain the doctrine in detail. I’m so grateful to have gotten free from this cult and I am so grateful to you for your work.
I'm still trying to wrap my head around an alligator chewing grass without lips. LOL
I'm sure it'll grow scrumptious lips...
The part about JWs being assigned to live either in an urban or rural area (whether they like it or not) rubs me the wrong way. Even in a paradise Earth, JWs won't be able to make basic decisions about their daily lives, just like they aren't able to now without guidance from the GB. It's paternalistic and creepy. And the part about god resurrecting people with "perfect" bodies but still homosexual and making them change is not only downright absurd but also ridiculously and unnecessarily complicated; it's similar to the machinations of a third-rate Bond villain.
the thing that gets me is this: how is there even an urban area when it’s just a giant forest?! 🤣
Being told where I can live and work doesn’t sound like paradise to me.
Next , they will have airplanes to fly you around in the paradise to where “the need is great”🤪🥺
Crazy!!!
It's funny how even your comment highlights an issue with the whole thing. Since JWs are so opposed to higher education, only a small fraction of them possesses any kind of expertise, especially in aviation. Who's going to construct the planes, once all the planes left after Armageddon (if there even would be any) exhaust their operational timeline? Who's going to be pilots? Who's going to operate the airports? Who's going to mine the crude oil? Who's going to refine it into jet fuel? It's obvious, that the whole aviation would just disappear, just as the majority of any industrial field existing today. It would be a literal Stone Age.
Actually as I was waking up to the fact what they preach is nothing but bullshit I'd said to a sister that I couldn't wait for there to be no pollution from cars, buses, industry etc and she actually said those things would still be here, I didn't attend this year's convention on zoom, but she had, now I'm wondering if the GB mentioned that during the convention 🤔 she's an elders wife - mmmm, curiosity is getting the better of me but I'm not game to go online and watch it via the app, I don't think I'm strong enough yet to not get sucked back into that creepy organisation
You ever noticed when they showed a paradise pictures in your books you never see a house 😂🤣🤔🤔
One fellow told my Mom...be living under the ...treez! 😳☺️
Yet as kids we all said "I want to live in *that house* in paradise"
I just wanted one with an indoor pool.
Shit I still want a house with an indoor pool.
Just a bunch of people wandering around and petting lions. I never signed up for hard labour. Lol
@@danielferguson3245 lol..And recieve ypur promised pet panda...proof that Jworg is a communistic way of controlling people...Jworg= communist cult...🤔🤨😉☺️💕🇨🇦
@@wunderinwyndfeatherakaskje8872 Seriously! I kinda wish I was at that assembly (no I don't) just to stand up and yell "WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING IS COMMUNISM". Haha
If God can change a person to not miss their dead child after Armageddon then why can't he change the resurrected homosexual?
Exactly!
He doesn’t like homosexuals, wants them to suffer into the new world apparently 🙄
Exactly.
You don't know what you're talking about and how dare you say what God thinks of anyone. No one knows yet about all you keep speculating on. Why don't you focus on getting there so you will see. Hard to do though when you choose to be ignorant and have no faith and trust in yourself. Definition of reprobrate
@@sabrinadobbins2249 I don't know what I'm talking about but you do? Apparently you know what God thinks then. I choose to use logical reasoning and critical thinking, something you're failing to do. Faith is the excuse people give when they don't have good reason or evidence for what they believe, it's not a reliable guide to truth. If you have evidence you don't need Faith.
I had a dream recently that I finally woke my mom up, and I was so relieved she was finally getting away from the cult. Then *I* woke up. Sigh...
Never give up, there’s always tomorrow.
I completely feel you with that lol. Had a dream where my brother finally got it and was like "so they're just wrong aren't they " but was a dream
How did you wake her up in your dream?
I was just talking with my boyfriend last night about how ridiculous the JW ideas of armageddon and "paradise" are. Can't watch this yet since I'm at work but I'm looking forward to it!
You want to irritate a JW, ask them these questions about the paradise. Although, the answer will be “we just don’t know those things yet” or something similar.
Mosquitoes
The answer always is "god has the answer" or "god knows"
Given that they "just don't know these things yet" they have an awful lot to say about this new earth paradise.
I said Tony Morris is probably going to run the Archie Bunker place because he's good with liquor
So they went from millions now living will never die to billions now living will soon die?! 😆😅
The two statements are not incompatible. Quite the contrary: In a world of billions, if it's only millions that will never die then it follows necessarily that there are billions who *will* die.
@@mtgradwell "millions now living will never die" was a slogan jws used in the 70s because they believed the world was about to end. now they believe 99% of the world population is going to die at armageddon and they will be the only survivors
@@isabelli8931 In the '70s the world population was about 4 billion, so even if the world had ended then my comment would still have been applicable. In a world of 4 billion, if it's only millions that will never die then it follows necessarily that there are getting on for 4 billion who *will* die.
@@isabelli8931 They taught that in the 20s. In the 60s and 70s watchtower taught the world would end in 1975. Now they teach any day the world will end in Armaggedon
Millions Now Living Will Never Die was a book by Rutherford in the 1920's. Also talks were given on the premise. But of course, they all died.
Sounds more like hell than a paradise.
I think from a child on I had doubts but my whole family were JW’s so I always kept quiet and tried to be ‘a good JW’ but could never measure up. I love this channel, it has helped me KNOW that my doubts were correct. 👍👏👏👏🥰
"There is beauty in a desert" I agree. I live at the doors of the desert of Atacama. Not only it's beautiful, but also to walk into it is a really strange experience: no sound, no odour, no taste. Another planet.
I like the point you make in number 6 about having to change that person in order for them not to love or miss their loved ones. Because if that’s the case there would be no free will. And wasn’t the whole “point” of this “challenge “ that people have the free will to either follow god or not.
Once you believe in magic then all things are possible....
Good point John,
It's all BS, almost not worth an honest discussion
I don't think I would want to live in paradise if Steve Lett and Tony Morris are in charge.
In compleate agreement
This is it...the governing body would still rule over them!!
Yes, if you believe in a creator, it’s easy to believe that he can make the Sun last forever. I have no problem with that.
Yeah, that's only any issue if you assume they wrong. Internal critiques are far more persuasive than begging the question
My heart almost stopped! Paradise mentioned only 4X and not under the same context as what we were taught?
Wow! So true if you know what you're looking for in the WT library the veil comes off 🤦
Thanks so much Lloyd!😌
I'm in Jordan now, so true... the variety of the earth is gorgeous. Would hate a world without this beautiful desert ecosystem.
I love the way you describe the beliefs. When I was a kid in 75 I told my classmates they were all going to die..hence I wasn't popular. When 75 passed and the end didn't come I was confused my mother had severe MH issues so I grew up VERY confused.
A lot of our mothers had or still have mental health issues. I know my mom has issues. You can’t talk to her about anything that she doesn’t try to bring up the Bible or Armageddon. She’s 81 now and I’ve heard about this for 61 years. 1975 was the breaking point for me.
Thankyou man. As someone who was never baptized and fear mongered half my life thanks for these videos and topics. There were times I felt guilty for leaving, but nah man this all makes sense
I am looking forward to watching this. Hopefully school will be over when it is on.
Lloyd all your videos exudates something so rare to find and this is DIGNITY. You turn any JW matter in something scrutinized with true knowledge, thinking ability and analytical approach. This one video is no exception, is smart, well reasoned and , in parts, absolutely hilarious. Thanks for your great work and dedication.
Agreed. I stopped watching the hate mongering channels because ultimately we must show dignity and respect as human beings in spite of our hurt and disappointment.
Such a good topic. I have now listened to this twice. This was a problematic issue when I studied. They couldn't answer questions . They have no clue and make up the rules as they go. Nothing based on Bible facts.
The sh_t gets deeper and deeper. I used to ask about this when I was growing up and was told "we don't exactly know, but Jehovah will take care of it all!" Sounds like a fairy tale to me !!!
Thanks Lloyd for another great video!! di
The perfect way to spend a snow day in New Jersey!☺️❄️
A Frickin Frosty Day...-39*c in Manitoba Canada...🥶👍🏽☺️
@@wunderinwyndfeatherakaskje8872 according to the weatherman this week will be lucky to see anything above 30°!🥶
when my mother died, my father was heartbroken twice.
the loosing of her at death and then the realisation they would not be together in paradise after the resurection
@lloydevans why does God need an Army of Angels to destroy mankind in Armageddon?
How about sending them to earth to help and assist humans to be better or how to better. I means that's another way of saving lives.
Well...hmmm that means tonis wet and wonderful dream of being a man slayer...be just a pfffft...🔥🧯
For the same reason that God used the Flood to DESTROY that Humanity, saving only 8 people!
Because it makes to much damn sense!
That would never do! There has to be genocide! Lots and lots of it! There has to be dead decaying bodies everywhere. Sounds like fun to me! My kind of place! Lol
loved this video! Every time I asked those questions I was told by my mother and elders that Jehovah is see to it we are happy!! and You will be perfect and those questions won't matter.
Okay, no marriage, no sex, no children, right? Then what is the use of being either female or male? I guess we will lose all the fun parts.
It'll just be so we know who has to do all the cooking and cleaning 😉
@@ResearchThis considering how the sisters are treated that's probably it!
And the penis becomes just a handy urination tool. That's if people urinate in the new system - and if they do, perhaps the sisters get one too.
How are we supposed to have a wee then?
@@philipdalton1000s we get a cloaca like a platypus!
Great video, well thought out and i like that you actually use logic and critical thinking to reach your conclusions.
"Assigned to a city"
What the fuck? They think they will be able to "assign" where people live live? What happened to "you will build and have occupation"?
Yeah, sounds very Soviet.
@@Ballykeith yeah, the governing body should never have shown their faces.
On the plus side, this will hopefully help some people realize how many wrong ideas they have.
Excellent point as far as Jehovah having to change the person when a family member is no longer there in the Paradise.
Everything you mentioned in this video were questions i have asked myself over the years with alot of my family being jws and telling this story over and over. The fact that much info is shrugged off and not mentioned in the bible was a big red flag for me. Thankyou for freeing people by real critical thought. So many are going through moral dilemas while just trying to lives and be good to one another all because other people make up rules out of thin air for people to live by that are not furthering humanity into any form of unity but hindering. It is sad how many families are broken up behind this.
#9, you know it will be elders and pioneers will be in the cabins on an acre of land and the rest will be piled into the cities.
As a JW kid, I was told if there wasn’t enough room for all the humans on Earth, they would be transported to terra-formed planets in outer space. That’s why there were so many planets in an infinite universe.
I don’t know if that’s an official JW teaching (wouldn’t be surprised if it wasn’t), but as a JW kid, it sort of made sense. I think they were trying to appeal to me as a Star Trek fan.🤷♂️
Some JW's have a highly vivid and abnormal imagination. Where in the world do they dream up all that craziness? Nothing they say is scriptual, it all comes from out the top of their heads....smh.
So everyone who has ever lived is to be resurrected and given chance to turn into a JW ? So, you could be sat at your paradise picnic table, eating your grapes and sat next to Jack the Ripper, or Dr Crippen, or even Hitler? What fun!
It'd be rad to just sit at a table and have a conversation with my great ancestor, Genghis Khan.
Hahaaaaaaaa🤣🤣🤣
Exactly
The gay guy has a hundred years to change ok lots of them will live as gay after 99 years they change their lifestyle and get everlasting life
@@pingpong5877 be careful he doesn't have you for breakfast
Wow. 80 likes before its even started,(including mine) this is going to be one next level awesome video!
Great. Paradise is being assigned where we live, even if we dislike it? How is that perfection or paradise? eye roll
Your use of "eye roll" triggered me in a good way. During one assembly an admonition was given directly to sisters not to show displeasure - even with body language - by shaking your head, crossing your arms or, god forbid, *rolling your eyes* if you disagreed with something being taught re the sisters' role(s). At that moment I knew I had to leave, and leave I did.
@@junejunie2284 One thing I am so happy to leave behind is the notion that disagreement with a man or the organization = disrespect. Uggg. Hard pass. Fuck patriarchy.
@@SaffronHammer they need to call it disrespect to bring the disagreement to a screeching halt. In many cases they're just not intelligent enough to debate the issue. Can't admit to that and feel superior.
The fact is if you disagree with a man it's considered disrespect, but the opposite is true it's disrespectful to women to gaslight them like this.
@@yvonne3903 I don't quite get what you're trying to say....
I can't believe that I believed all those unlogical "hopes" for 10 years in my life, what a craziness 😢
OMFG Stephen Lett as SLASH!!! hahahahaah.... I can't breathe.....lmaoooo
I remember thinking that moving to Mars would be an option to fix over population.
Efrain...Has not Lady Gaga already booked her flight? 🤔😉
@@wunderinwyndfeatherakaskje8872 - I think a few celebrities booked theirs as well. LOL!
Many of my former elders also said and believe that!!
@@albertcastel8382
I was also told that as a kid!
I had this vague idea humans would expand into the universe but how is that going to happen if you’ve killed off all the scientists and there’s no advanced technology?
My nightmares used to be filled with everything you have just spoken about... The idea of paradise is actually extremely traumatizing!
Oh, geez...
I'm very sorry you had to go through that. 😥💔
...And I've ALWAYS believed that the promise of paradise and resurrection just sounds WAY too good to be true, and this video proves my point. 😬🙃
So, as now i could listen to this: you have done well, sir. I love how you go through every little bit of things. I remember my father answering as i told him some of these problems: jehova will make everything good.
If they say that Jehovah's going to make everything good, then why don't they just trust in that idea instead of enumerating a bunch of hypothetical details about paradise?
@@cindys9491
Right. As always they are inconsistent in their own behaviour.
I edited, so the given heart went away. Didn't know that. Sorry, Lloyd.
So people will be "assigned" to live in designated places, even if that's not what they like? Heck, they'll learn to like it! Just like they'll learn to drop the gay! Paradise is starting to sound rather like a totalitarian theocracy. We always used to hear how the Earth would be restored to a paradise like Eden. In fact, the Garden of Eden was presented as the blueprint for what all of Earth was supposed to look like, if only Adam and Eve hadn't messed up. I don't recall Genesis talking much about apartment complexes in Eden.
As an ex jw, I think the implication is everybody is going to WANT to live in the way Jehovah has planned...complete 100% unity of mind and thought and desire with Jehovah. Thats why not everybody is getting in.
The governing body is all over the place with their barking. I'm concern about their mental status...
Which then makes us all concerned about the safety of the people that they control.🤭
Oh Leslie why?😂😂😂😂😂 am weak.
That’s why I quit 5 years ago I don’t want to live without my daughter in paradise. Now I am thankful to my daughter she helped to open my eyes (number 6)
Hey everyone... Hope your all great
Back at cha bro! 👍🏽💕🇨🇦
The only time I tried these topics with JW's their answer (and final solution/conclution) was: "Jehova will provide, we don't need to worry about those things"... really...??? There's no way to try to reason with them... it's literally fighting against the wind 😪
Always that answer.
All machined lumber and such comes from the Morlochs who live underground. Lol.
"Some are going to have a rougher time than others." That just sounds like NOW but with more steps.
No more living in fear... I choose love over fear .
That's beautiful, because that means you're already living in paradise!
My parents became JW when I was 16 (fun time for me!) what really confused me was if everyone who didn’t know Jehovah from the beginning was going to be resurrected how would everyone fit on the earth?! I asked a sister that and she said well we will probably live on other planets too, but doesn’t the bible specifically say humans was created to live on earth 😂 so that doesn’t make sense.
Also side note I have a degree in psychology and from the mental health difficulties that comes from disfellowshipping and even growing up with your friends in school but not allowed to hang out with them even though that goes against everything you want, I can’t believe a “loving god” would impose these rules.
When I was ‘IN’, I thought (of course, not out loud) that living FOREVER with some of the witnesses that I could barely stand to sit through a meeting with WAS NOT going to be paradise!!!!!! 😝🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤔🤗
I would love to start a podcast. But to be honest, I don't have anything else to add. Thank you for your work Lloyd. I just wish my mom will listen.
SAUCEY CEDARS....hes at it again!!! Thanks for the content Lloyd as always....stay SAUCEY
Thank you for answering the questions not one JW wanted to go over with me since I was a child. You explain it beautifully. The scripture where Jesus says Todays you will be with me in paradise. Well Jesus is in Heaven , so Paradise is in heaven.
"Jahovah's design is beautiful and the way the world works is truly divine"
"Whales will stop eating plankton"
They need to go on a diet!
I clearly remember my mom saying family pets will not be resurrected but don't worry Jehovah will wipe away sad feelings
And we'll have so many other amazing blessings we won't even think about my worldly cats
The scripture from Isaiah reminded me of an old joke: Paradise is where the cooks are French, the car mechanics are German, the police are British, the lovers are Italian, and it's all organised by the Swiss. Hell is where the cooks are British, the car mechanics are French, the police are German, the lovers are Swiss, and it's all organised by the Italians.
I love this comment. But since I’m American I guess I won’t be in paradise at all. Dang 🙁
@@Ohmygatos35 It seems as if it will be a European affair. No sushi!
@@blackalien6873 'fraid so! I'm actually German, and I'm a decent cook, but would make a terrible car mechanic, honestly. Don't fancy the policework, either. Maybe Americans could provide the entertainment business in paradise, and in hell... also the entertainment business?
Lloyd, I live in a desert state in the USA. It’s a beautiful place. There are beautiful cactus plants that bloom beautiful flowers that are used by the native Indians to cure certain diseases.
So?...We don’t believe in reincarnation, but technically that’s what is being taught by JW beliefs, just with a different name.
New bodies with memories of previous life🤔
Not only that, but they will appear out of thin air...The more you THINK about it the less sense it makes.
One of the best videos ever. Thank you man!
I asked my mom once what would happen if a dead person resurrected and saw that their spouse re-married. She said that she didn’t know but would ask a “more spiritual” sister. What the sister basically said was that, jehova would make sure that the person resurrected would lose the love for their spouse and basically marry another person in paradise.
I am sure the sister pulled that out of no where because it didn’t make any sense to me lol
😂
By far one of your best videos!!! Lol Great job!
maybe the idea is to have the gays for 100 years to build the cities and infrastructure of the paradise?
Or the gay people are allowed to stay gay for 100 years so during that time they can make all the stylish clothes that Jehovah’s Witnesses will wear for the rest of eternity. It is supposed to be a blissful paradise, after all.
When the 100 years are over and they’re no longer gay, there won’t be any fun fashion anymore.
Hey Lloyd, I’ve been watching you for a long time and I think this is your best video yet. Keep up the good work. 😎❤️❤️
I don't know why the witnesses want to live in a world like that anyways. Living forever under the governing body's rule sounds awful. I'd rather be dead.
Totally agree.
I choose to be in a state of mind where at times I feel like I am already in a paradise! Thank you Lloyd for your rational thinking and some science and commen sence!
When I was a kid, I straight up assumed paradise would basically be magic-made. None of it would work if it was based on anything resembling reality as we know it. My boss's father seems to think he'll be keeping the exact same house he's living in now, so he refuses to leave it to anyone when he dies. That had me cracking up laughing.
I love your videos Lloyd, they're very entertaining and make so much sense. I used to ask myself these questions to myself but I would shrug everything off "Jehovahs going to make me happy" was always the answer. Nice haircut btw. Keep em coming.
It was specifically taught there were no cities in the New System. Cities were reminiscent of Babel and all the evils closely-housed living.
I was taught that too. We must have been indoctrinated in the same era
Just had a conversation with my mom about me having doubts and she broke down to tears. I felt so bad making her feel this way. It’s either I suck it up and keep my family, or be free and loose them. 😔
what happened? try to speak with your parents and open their eyes to what society is... lying cowards.