How to build a competitive Dark Angels Space Marines list in 10th Edition - Guide

Поділитися
Вставка
  • Опубліковано 26 гру 2024

КОМЕНТАРІ • 92

  • @fdragoon
    @fdragoon 6 місяців тому +44

    Azrael has the deathwing keyword so if you put him leading the Hellblasters they gain the keyword. Therefore they get the whole benefits of the IC detachment

    • @william9557
      @william9557 5 місяців тому +6

      They would love all he gives:
      +1 wound rolls
      4+ invuln
      4+ fnp against mortals once a game
      Sustained hits 1
      Another S8 gun
      Powerful melee for emergencies

    • @xoidbergskywalker9139
      @xoidbergskywalker9139 2 місяці тому

      ​@william9557 10 man Hellblaster squad + Azrael +Inner circle Task Force +Apothecary. Chuck them in an Repulsor. Is it optimal? Nah. Is it funny? Absolutely.

  • @SlickSodaProductions
    @SlickSodaProductions 6 місяців тому +10

    Just played Dark Angels at a Local Tournament earlier today, can confirm Inner Circle is a solid Detachment and most of your advice is pretty good. I wish I had thought about some of the Anti-Vehicle stuff because all I brought was Chainfists on Terms and Maces on Knights.

  • @PBspartanPAGE
    @PBspartanPAGE 6 місяців тому +12

    I love that terminators finally see some play

  • @lambo7
    @lambo7 5 місяців тому +9

    Really good video. But as a beginner I didn’t know what units you were talking about most of the time. Maybe a quick pic of the unit to give a clue what unit you’re talking about. 👍👍👍

    • @vfminiatures
      @vfminiatures  5 місяців тому +2

      Thank you! Very interesting perspective - definitely worth a consideration. Worst case - I usually give enough of the name for you to be able to google it if need be, but I’ll think about adding pics💪

    • @lambo7
      @lambo7 5 місяців тому +1

      @@vfminiatures great. I’ve subbed. 👍

    • @ZahirPerez-ww6tf
      @ZahirPerez-ww6tf 3 місяці тому

      @@vfminiaturesthanks for making this video it’s helping me a lot with army building

  • @Tylerjstratton
    @Tylerjstratton 6 місяців тому +4

    Fantastic video. Exactly what I was doing on my own. Thanks for spelling it out!

    • @vfminiatures
      @vfminiatures  6 місяців тому +1

      My pleasure 💪💪💪 Glad you enjoyed it

    • @Tylerjstratton
      @Tylerjstratton 6 місяців тому

      @@vfminiatures if you did a space wolves one next due to their new champ of Russ buff that would be sweeeeeett!!!!

  • @lamhuynh7201
    @lamhuynh7201 6 місяців тому +6

    Deathwing knight are like discounted custodes warden, nearly the same output and durability.
    Which means they will have major problem vs melta spam sister and zeraphim mortal wound bomb due to it being repeatable and punch up in pts very hard, i personally would run hellblaster to have tools to deal with sister body spam.

  • @MarshallErb-ve2zt
    @MarshallErb-ve2zt 4 місяці тому +2

    I feel that i should mention that the 3" deep strike strat in IC doesn't allow charges.

  • @colincoom7630
    @colincoom7630 6 місяців тому +6

    Lion's Gladius 2000pts
    Space Marines
    Dark Angels
    Strike Force (2000 points)
    Gladius Task Force
    CHARACTERS
    Apothecary Biologis (85 points)
    • 1x Absolvor bolt pistol
    1x Close combat weapon
    • Enhancement: Fire Discipline
    Azrael (105 points)
    • 1x Lion’s Wrath
    1x The Lion Helm
    1x The Sword of Secrets
    Captain in Gravis Armour (90 points)
    • 1x Boltstorm gauntlet
    1x Power fist
    1x Relic fist
    • Enhancement: Artificer Armour
    Lieutenant (80 points)
    • 1x Heavy bolt pistol
    1x Plasma pistol
    1x Power fist
    • Enhancement: The Honour Vehement
    Lion El’Jonson (300 points)
    • Warlord
    • 1x Arma Luminis
    1x Fealty
    OTHER DATASHEETS
    Eradicator Squad (190 points)
    • 1x Eradicator Sergeant
    • 1x Bolt pistol
    1x Close combat weapon
    1x Melta rifle
    • 5x Eradicator
    • 5x Bolt pistol
    5x Close combat weapon
    3x Melta rifle
    2x Multi-melta
    Gladiator Lancer (160 points)
    • 1x Armoured hull
    1x Icarus rocket pod
    1x Ironhail heavy stubber
    1x Lancer laser destroyer
    2x Storm bolter
    Gladiator Lancer (160 points)
    • 1x Armoured hull
    1x Icarus rocket pod
    1x Ironhail heavy stubber
    1x Lancer laser destroyer
    2x Storm bolter
    Gladiator Lancer (160 points)
    • 1x Armoured hull
    1x Icarus rocket pod
    1x Ironhail heavy stubber
    1x Lancer laser destroyer
    2x Storm bolter
    Hellblaster Squad (230 points)
    • 1x Hellblaster Sergeant
    • 1x Bolt pistol
    1x Close combat weapon
    1x Plasma incinerator
    • 9x Hellblaster
    • 9x Bolt pistol
    9x Close combat weapon
    9x Plasma incinerator
    Infiltrator Squad (100 points)
    • 1x Infiltrator Sergeant
    • 1x Bolt pistol
    1x Close combat weapon
    1x Marksman bolt carbine
    • 4x Infiltrator
    • 4x Bolt pistol
    4x Close combat weapon
    1x Helix Gauntlet
    1x Infiltrator Comms Array
    4x Marksman bolt carbine
    Scout Squad (65 points)
    • 1x Scout Sergeant
    • 1x Astartes shotgun
    1x Bolt pistol
    1x Close combat weapon
    • 4x Scout
    • 3x Astartes shotgun
    4x Bolt pistol
    4x Close combat weapon
    1x Missile launcher
    Scout Squad (65 points)
    • 1x Scout Sergeant
    • 1x Astartes shotgun
    1x Bolt pistol
    1x Close combat weapon
    • 4x Scout
    • 3x Astartes shotgun
    4x Bolt pistol
    4x Close combat weapon
    1x Missile launcher
    Vanguard Veteran Squad with Jump Packs (210 points)
    • 1x Vanguard Veteran Sergeant with Jump Pack
    • 1x Inferno pistol
    1x Vanguard Veteran weapon
    • 9x Vanguard Veteran with Jump Pack
    • 9x Inferno pistol
    9x Vanguard Veteran weapon
    Exported with App Version: v1.17.0 (45), Data Version: v430

  • @Sanctjud
    @Sanctjud 6 місяців тому +1

    Deathwing Assault+3" Deepstrike is there to try to find a spot on turn 1 to start getting Behind enemy lines and engage on all fronts. Been considering just having a solo Termi Chappy with it.

  • @stevenburton7725
    @stevenburton7725 6 місяців тому +5

    Now that dev wounds are mortal wounds again, the lion gives a 4+ FNP against dev wounds when you need it

  • @NatureBoyyy94
    @NatureBoyyy94 5 місяців тому +1

    Will use this to try to build something competetive, played only with things i think are cool but would be fun to also be able to win haha

  • @FelixRütten-z6x
    @FelixRütten-z6x 2 місяці тому

    Just starting out with Dark Angels but we just play 1000 point matches. What list would You suggest if you had only 1000 points ? I thought
    Azreal as Warlord
    Apothecary Biologis
    Battleline:
    Assault Intercessor Squad
    Other Datasheet:
    Assault Intercessors with Jump Packs
    2x Deathwing Knights
    Eradicator Squad
    Inner Circle Companions
    = 970 Points

  • @DarkAzure00
    @DarkAzure00 6 місяців тому +1

    Been waiting for this content!! Heck yea!!!

  • @trollking000
    @trollking000 3 місяці тому

    Nice vid very insightful, what loadout would you recommend on DW terminators?

    • @vfminiatures
      @vfminiatures  3 місяці тому +1

      Thanks! Chainfists and cyclone missiles mostly

  • @chanuelle2840
    @chanuelle2840 2 місяці тому

    Would like to see an Army build from Dark Angel christmas box :)

  • @spicybarbecue222
    @spicybarbecue222 5 місяців тому

    Would love to see you do one of these for death guard

  • @jager917
    @jager917 5 місяців тому +1

    Is there a list that uses both Lion and and azrael together? I just started warhammer and bought a lot of models because I thought they were cool, but I know nothing of the gameplay yet. I bought Lion, Azrael, deathwing knights and the combat patrol, can I do a working list using what I got or do they not work well together?
    I just want to know what would be the best thing for me to do to start a decent army goinf forward from here, thank you.

    • @vfminiatures
      @vfminiatures  5 місяців тому +2

      Yes, that list is definitely doable and they have no counter synergy whatsoever. Both are great characters helping with different things in the army, perhaps a bit expensive to have both, but not crazily so
      As for starting the army - I’d just buy 10 normal and 15 Deathwing knights terminators and build painted them. They will serve you a long time and won’t become obsolete.
      Check out my Patreon if you’d like full guidance on the collection and army tactics 😉

  • @RFischer
    @RFischer 6 місяців тому +18

    For the Lion!

  • @Johnnymarzo
    @Johnnymarzo 6 місяців тому +1

    I'm leaning vanguard detachment for the vect and -1hit

    • @StorytellerCharm
      @StorytellerCharm 6 місяців тому

      I am as well. I literally commented this in the patreon. It just feels amazing to Infiltrate the DWK with terminator Chaplain

    • @Johnnymarzo
      @Johnnymarzo 6 місяців тому

      @@StorytellerCharm I'm actually running zero dwk in the vanguard list 😅

    • @Johnnymarzo
      @Johnnymarzo 6 місяців тому +1

      Az+LT+10 hellblaster, judiciar+10 ICC, combi LT with vect, lion, 2 impulsor (ICC, and then 1 for the durable secondaries), 1x5 jump pack int, 1x3 bolter inceptor, 1x5 infiltrators, 2x5 scouts, 2 vindicators

    • @StorytellerCharm
      @StorytellerCharm 6 місяців тому

      @@Johnnymarzo oh interesting. What are you running?

    • @StorytellerCharm
      @StorytellerCharm 6 місяців тому +1

      @@Johnnymarzo Quite the fun list. I’m just now starting to delve into my competitive journey thanks to this channel and the coaching I’m finding to be very helpful. My list that is still in the rough draft phase is:
      Az+10 Assault Intercessors
      Combi lieutenant with Vect
      3x5 JPI
      1x6 devastator centurions
      2x5 DWK both led by a Termie Chaplain (one with Blade Driven deep)
      1x5 Scouts
      2x Gladiator Lancers
      Looking to screen threats with efficient units, stream roll or tie up with strong melee, and shoot the enemy off the board with the very maneuverable firepower

  • @sbeaber
    @sbeaber 6 місяців тому

    Vanguard veterans can make use of Relic Teleportarium to deep strike 3"
    You pay a 25pt tax but then you can make use of the detachment rule and stratagems over JPI. They make for good skirmishers.
    I like a brick of Thunderhammer wielding terminators for a 1st turn 3 inch deep strike. Sure they can't do anything that turn. But dropping 40+ wounds into the enemy deployment zone goes hard. Then with the Ancient and captain you can have Singular Will so they stand a good chance of getting into engagement range of multiple units. With the stratagem you can likely fish for devastating wounds for the Thunderhammers.

    • @vfminiatures
      @vfminiatures  6 місяців тому

      Both combos pretty good - I’m worried of AVC’s having a massive Ap1 problem, even with +1 to wound they’d struggle into anything decent. And it’s still like an almost a 300pts unit.
      Regarding terminator in DZ - yep, it’s a very solid argument 😂😂😂

  • @jamesbgood25
    @jamesbgood25 5 місяців тому

    Question. Why would you recommend the Termie Chaplain when Inner Circle already grants +1 to wound on objectives? I'm assuming you'd drop them on an objective with Deathwing Assault. I was going with a Termi Librarian to get Sustained hits before

    • @vfminiatures
      @vfminiatures  5 місяців тому

      @@jamesbgood25 yes, chappy is still valid, sometimes you don’t fight on vowed objectives

    • @jamesbgood25
      @jamesbgood25 5 місяців тому

      Makes sense. The oath target may not always be on the vowed objective either. 🤔

  • @koendeprez9815
    @koendeprez9815 5 місяців тому

    A little correction , The Lion is either Damage 1 (and not damage 2) sweep or Damage 4 strike

  • @Rasmus.Elnegaard
    @Rasmus.Elnegaard 6 місяців тому

    Great video with a lot of good advice 👍
    Vith lists looks really interesting, bit uf someone (me) would insist on running hellblasters how would adjust these two lists?
    Also, which weapons would you run in the repulsor? I am leaning towards max las-weapons but the las-talons feel quite mediocre 🤔

    • @vfminiatures
      @vfminiatures  6 місяців тому +2

      I’d not run them in Gladius, but I’d definitely take Azrael+Hellblasters+Repulsor combo in IC instead of normal terminators+chaplain, and cut one JPI
      For repulsor - I’d take las, because the Gatling is a bit meh without RRs to wound to fish for dev.

    • @Rasmus.Elnegaard
      @Rasmus.Elnegaard 6 місяців тому +1

      Thanks for the reply 👍
      While it might not be opti al, I might still force Hellblasters into the Gladius as they are my favourite unit 😆

    • @vfminiatures
      @vfminiatures  6 місяців тому +1

      Absolutely! Rule of cool works

    • @william9557
      @william9557 5 місяців тому +1

      ​@@Rasmus.Elnegaardrun two packs of 10 hellblasters
      One with Azrael and one with maybe a librarian or something, and give them fire discipline
      40 plasma shots raining down will make anyone crap their pants
      Then add like dreads and such to be scary for support so they don't get ruined in melee

  • @michaelmaddox2536
    @michaelmaddox2536 6 місяців тому +1

    I'm fucking with it. Great video, bro.

  • @dariostabletopminatures
    @dariostabletopminatures 5 місяців тому

    Thank you for this One!

  • @RFischer
    @RFischer 6 місяців тому

    Both are solid lists Yuri. Any changes I’d make would be due to model collection. I have no Inner Circle Companions because there were just awful upon release. Would like swap out for Blade Guard?

    • @vfminiatures
      @vfminiatures  6 місяців тому

      BG are pretty good as well, pretty much a clean swap imho

    • @LordErebusBloodmoon
      @LordErebusBloodmoon 5 місяців тому

      I bought two boxes immediately and just proxied them as bladeguard till next now

  • @joke_d
    @joke_d 5 місяців тому

    Hey, I'm quite new to the more competative side of 40k. I'm curious and wonder why you always use Jump Intercessors, could you not run Outriders also or instead? They seem quite similar and could fulfill the same role. Abit tougher with T5 and 12 wounds per unit. You lose some melee but gain more ranged shots, similar OC etc. So why is Jump Packs so often rated much higher than Outriders?

    • @vfminiatures
      @vfminiatures  5 місяців тому +1

      Firstly - welcome to the hobby💪
      Now to answer your question - they are actually pretty different in more ways than you can imagine, to name a few:
      1) JPI have smaller footprint - easier to hide.
      2) JPI can go through walls.
      3) JPI can do MWs on the charge, and with Grenade you can throw plus power fist on sergeant they can punch up for 80pts, Outriders can’t, they are anemic in combat.
      These are just the big things. So yes, Outriders are tougher but you don’t necessarily need that extra toughness for their role. The benefits definitely outweigh on the JPI side

    • @joke_d
      @joke_d 5 місяців тому

      @@vfminiatures I see I see, didn't think about going through walls or the grenades. I thought it might have something to do with their ability atleast and the extra melee weapons + power fist, well making up for the worse toughness or shooting. Thank you!

  • @bvshmaster6990
    @bvshmaster6990 6 місяців тому +1

    Deathwing termies deleted a brutalis dreadnought right after the update. Very nice.

    • @LoudLoveTaps
      @LoudLoveTaps 6 місяців тому +1

      Were they with a chaplain?

  • @richardjohnstone1374
    @richardjohnstone1374 6 місяців тому

    Great upload man. Came up against Chaos renegades list and just pulled through a victory only thanks to some clutch rolling on my side.
    Struggled to deal with the speed they can move and those fucking 21 man blob of occursed cultists that can surge when shot at!!
    Ran Gladius TF. Your list looks recommendation looks great
    ***Edit - Where can we find your battle reports for DA?!

    • @vfminiatures
      @vfminiatures  6 місяців тому +1

      Well done! 👍 Renegades are tough as hell, what list you ran? Here’s the link to the report for DA ua-cam.com/video/knBDCZ_az_0/v-deo.htmlsi=tcAZAIwuhQ7XCxO8

    • @richardjohnstone1374
      @richardjohnstone1374 6 місяців тому

      @@vfminiatures Gladius (2000 points)
      Space Marines
      Dark Angels
      Strike Force (2000 points)
      Gladius Task Force
      CHARACTERS
      Azrael (105 points)
      • 1x Lion’s Wrath
      1x The Lion Helm
      1x The Sword of Secrets
      Chaplain in Terminator Armour (90 points)
      • 1x Crozius arcanum
      1x Storm bolter
      • Enhancement: The Honour Vehement
      Ezekiel (75 points)
      • 1x Book of Salvation
      1x Mind Wipe
      1x The Deliverer
      1x Traitor’s Bane
      Lion El’Jonson (300 points)
      • Warlord
      • 1x Arma Luminis
      1x Fealty
      OTHER DATASHEETS
      Deathwing Knights (235 points)
      • 1x Knight Master
      • 1x Great weapon of the Unforgiven
      • 4x Deathwing Knight
      • 4x Mace of absolution
      Deathwing Knights (235 points)
      • 1x Knight Master
      • 1x Great weapon of the Unforgiven
      • 4x Deathwing Knight
      • 4x Power weapon
      Hellblaster Squad (230 points)
      • 1x Hellblaster Sergeant
      • 1x Close combat weapon
      1x Plasma incinerator
      1x Plasma pistol
      • 9x Hellblaster
      • 9x Bolt pistol
      9x Close combat weapon
      9x Plasma incinerator
      Infiltrator Squad (100 points)
      • 1x Infiltrator Sergeant
      • 1x Bolt pistol
      1x Close combat weapon
      1x Marksman bolt carbine
      • 4x Infiltrator
      • 4x Bolt pistol
      4x Close combat weapon
      1x Helix Gauntlet
      1x Infiltrator Comms Array
      4x Marksman bolt carbine
      Inner Circle Companions (180 points)
      • 6x Inner Circle Companion
      • 6x Calibanite greatsword
      6x Heavy bolt pistol
      Land Raider (240 points)
      • 1x Armoured tracks
      2x Godhammer lascannon
      1x Hunter-killer missile
      1x Multi-melta
      1x Storm bolter
      1x Twin heavy bolter
      Redemptor Dreadnought (210 points)
      • 1x Icarus rocket pod
      1x Macro plasma incinerator
      1x Onslaught gatling cannon
      1x Redemptor fist
      1x Twin fragstorm grenade launcher
      Exported with App Version: v1.17.0 (45), Data Version: v430

  • @shark3y06
    @shark3y06 6 місяців тому

    doesn't Azrael grant the deathwing keyword to his attached squad for the Eradicators?

    • @vfminiatures
      @vfminiatures  6 місяців тому +1

      He can’t join them, otherwise he totally would and it would be an awesome combo

    • @shark3y06
      @shark3y06 6 місяців тому

      @@vfminiatures lol well thats no good. Great video as always 💪😎

    • @vfminiatures
      @vfminiatures  6 місяців тому

      @shark3y06 thank you🤗

  • @ZiGGi03
    @ZiGGi03 2 місяці тому

    Inner circle with Judiciar gets fights first .

  • @mathiasschulze6148
    @mathiasschulze6148 6 місяців тому +3

    I think you underestimate the power of Hellblasters...in gladius with Fire Diciplin they are brutal. A 5 man squad can kill a Landraider with one round of shooting, they are strong as f.

    • @heathhooper3699
      @heathhooper3699 5 місяців тому

      This. Straight buster. I melted a stompa with one round of shooting. I have been running 2x hellblaster squads, one with Azzy and one with fire discipline LT.

    • @NBeaver-bx4yl
      @NBeaver-bx4yl 5 місяців тому +1

      Agreed. I have ran 10 Hellblasters with Azrael for like 20 games now and it is absolutely deadly ! Their kill count is just ridiculous and they have been deleting units basically everytime they were shooting

  • @smthomas2000
    @smthomas2000 6 місяців тому

    Eradicators are Gravis and take up 2 slots in the transport....It has a capacity of 6 so only 3 man can be taken

    • @vfminiatures
      @vfminiatures  6 місяців тому +1

      You probably mean repulsor executioner - I was referring to regular repulsor🤗

  • @politiciancranberry
    @politiciancranberry 6 місяців тому +1

    Only way I'm playing is oops all bikes. Also company of hunters gives you battleine bikes which is somewhat relevant now and fall back and shoot is still useful and you can have your biggest ball of bikes have the enhancement for charge as well. Also the 9 inch scout one let's you turn one charge a unit an entire galaxy away. 27 plus 2d6 on outriders lollll

    • @vfminiatures
      @vfminiatures  6 місяців тому +1

      I see a man from Chogoris has entered the chat💪😄

    • @harrumphreys4841
      @harrumphreys4841 6 місяців тому

      @@vfminiaturesheheh, I use DA Ravenwing rules for my White Scars

  • @piotrjeske4599
    @piotrjeske4599 6 місяців тому

    I know my friend just wants to play a terminator army with terminator HQs . And it really doesn't work.

  • @WhoDaresWinso7
    @WhoDaresWinso7 2 місяці тому +1

    Slow melee army? Looks like this dwarf player found his home.

  • @madcore4916
    @madcore4916 6 місяців тому

    Awesome video. I plan on trying both lists. What weapon layout are you using on your repulsor?

    • @vfminiatures
      @vfminiatures  6 місяців тому +1

      Thank you! I’d probably do las

  • @Sanctjud
    @Sanctjud 6 місяців тому +2

    Lion got too old for a 2 Damage sweep.

  • @Johnnymarzo
    @Johnnymarzo 6 місяців тому

    Lion sweep is only dam1 sadly 😢

  • @sirsilco
    @sirsilco 5 місяців тому

    I think I am too new to 40k for this video. Mostly went over my head 😂

    • @vfminiatures
      @vfminiatures  5 місяців тому

      Let me know if have any questions- I’d be happy to answer them 🤗

  • @DEATHREAPER330
    @DEATHREAPER330 6 місяців тому

    My wife is getting me the ultimate starter kit for my birthday. What's the bare minimum I need to turn That starter army to dark angels? My kids are going to play the nids.

    • @vfminiatures
      @vfminiatures  6 місяців тому

      Firstly, congrats! I hope your kids enjoy warhammer 💪💪💪
      Next - you get 1 5 man squad of termies, 5 Infernus marines and 2 characters for SM, so not much for sure. It’s about 1/8 of what you’d need for an actual 2K list. Let me know if I can have any other questions 🤗

    • @DEATHREAPER330
      @DEATHREAPER330 6 місяців тому

      @vfminiatures ok, thank you. I was hoping there was a way to transition that starter army to dark angels to play against the nids that come with it. Thanks for the reply and info.

    • @vfminiatures
      @vfminiatures  6 місяців тому +1

      @DEATHREAPER330 you can definitely start playing models inside as the dark angels for a very small format army. Same for nids for your kids. It will be just a bit strange to have just 3-4 units each, but it’s playable. I’m pretty sure that box comes with something like “combat patrol” rules, which are close to what we use in big 40k, almost the same. It won’t be Dark angels themed I think, just generic marines, but it’s good for a beginner. You should start there and slowly get going building your army up💪 Good luck 👍

    • @DEATHREAPER330
      @DEATHREAPER330 6 місяців тому

      @@vfminiatures i will at least paint them how i want to do my dark angels army so when i do get there they can fit in.

    • @vfminiatures
      @vfminiatures  6 місяців тому

      @DEATHREAPER330 great idea, that’s definitely helpful

  • @mortenbrandtjensen6470
    @mortenbrandtjensen6470 6 місяців тому

    Nice list. You'r cutting the fat

  • @thelegendsmith3063
    @thelegendsmith3063 5 місяців тому

    Still no the Kitty ? Tsk tsk tsk

    • @vfminiatures
      @vfminiatures  5 місяців тому

      He’s very good now, I’ve added him to melee damage category