Having served in Indian Army and being posted at Srinagar Valley in the thick of insurgency in 1993 to 1995, I can say this episode has brought back memories of those eventful three years. Many events like occupation of Hazrat Bal mosque by terrorists, Cherra re sharif operation, and many many operations to flush out terrorists just flash in my memories. Very very tense period that was which many army persons could not survive.
I love to listen Shiv Aroor right from his early days. request you to make a podcast on Mavericks and Marcos separately without divulging confidential things
Hello, Kudos on a very comprehensive and sober discourse on the Indian Special Forces. The most correct part about his discourse was summarising the role of the Special Forces - reconaissance. Where he gets it incorrect and I sincerely wish he did some more research was on the role of the Garud Special Forces. Like their counter parts from the Army & Navy, the air force element is also into active counter insurgency operations in J&K where they have earned their combat honours. The main role of the Garuds are offensive aviation operations, akin to the Special Tactical Teams of the USAF, Sheldag & Unit 669 from Israel. Whike they are located in various bases of the Air Force, their roles hold a strong offensive character operating in small denominations of 4. Also, there is a technical distinction between Special Forces & Commando. Special Forces are specialised commandos characterised by their ability to exist and operate in depth.
Sometimes, I think won't it be more sensible for Indian Navy to have an Amphibious expeditionary Marine force like US Marines, Royal Marines, Russian Naval Infantry etc. This Amphibious expeditionary Marine can also act as a Talent pool for MARCOS.
The army high command has stymied the true potential of the Para sf. They haven't even bothered to seperate the airborne infantry and the SOF. all clubbed into same regiment and worse in last 20 years they have just converted a lot of airborne btns into sf. What JFK did to the green Berets in 70's is what the army has done to the para sf. They have diluted a small elite secretive force into a super infantry commando force which are used on the whims of CI CT op commanders and not strategically. Jaffna university heli drop was actually one of the truest SOF like operation conducted by the para sf and the same op exposed the organizational and force structure weaknesses in our sf. We still don't have a dedicated special op aviation regiment for insertion and extraction, nor do we have a dedicated tactical intel and support group to conduct effective special operations.
Almost the entire focus was on Para commandos. Would love to know more about Marcos and how they are different from the Para. Marcos would be the equivalent of Navy SEALS, so how good are the Indian Marcos?
Can we have an episode on what happens in a war situation when the ranks are depleting and we have to trigger in civil defence, does the GOI have a doctrine regarding this very scenario?
You should also talk about tier 1, tier 2, tier 3 special forces not just tier one special forces of India. Plus, does Indian Paramilitary Forces also have tier one special forces.
Tier 1, Tier 2 & Tier 3 is a budget based concept. US mei DEVGRU & CAG are Tier 1 because they come under JSOC which has a supreme funding, while Socom is Tier 2, hence all your SEALs, Green berets etc..and Tier 3 is simply conventional military
First, these 'tiers' within special operations forces are only/mostly a US-based concept. Second, these 'tiers' are not official levels. Third, India does not have any such 'tier' list/levels -- neither in the military, nor in the paramilitary community.
@@psyayimwone Sorry but no. Neither the SBS nor the SRS for that matter match up. That's the thing about having a massive budget, you get to train, experiment and innovate a hell of a lot more.
It is stupid to give ranking to armed forces since every nation has its own unique requirements. What matters is can you get the job done efficiently when there is need. We all know that traditionally we were not keen on arming para sf with latest equipments and some improvement have only happened in last decade. We need to provide extra support ecosystem for advanced training and new high tech equipments usage. Our boys are can beat anyone but with limited resources you can only do so little
He is not just any reporter...he is Shiv Aroor... One of the most knowledgeable and experienced reporter in defense segment along with Saurav Jha and Sandeep Unnithan in India
@@sabonwngtripuri7670 sure I agree, but these guys are very good story tellers, even most intelligent students often don't become good lecturers . He has thoroughly interviewed many SF operators even before social media became this popular. He had a micro bloging site livefist which I discovered somewhere around 2006 where he used to write about defence stories of India.
Bro you don't need to do things personally in order to know something or build your intelligence....one can simply be expert to some extent by interviewing people n grasping info....think before you open your ignorant rant arsh mouth
It is "Garud" not "Garudaa". At least as Indians, it is expected from us, to pronounce our cultural and historical names with a good accent, unless it is someone from a foreign country who doesn't know about our culture. The Armed forces use Sanskrit names and also maintain their dignity, that's why they are professionals! But we should stop ourselves from showing off, our culture and language as 3rd class.
In Sanskrit and south indian languages derived from Sanskrit, not urdu ised like hindi it is correct pronunciation. Its Rama not Raam , shiva not shiv , Dharma not dharam.
They did nothing for three days at the Mombai imcident.Sitting on roof tops and waitingbfor polititions enjoying smoke or having a laugh at people getting killed in the hotel.They had no idea as to what to do.Stupid congress men and their security people.
Having served in Indian Army and being posted at Srinagar Valley in the thick of insurgency in 1993 to 1995, I can say this episode has brought back memories of those eventful three years. Many events like occupation of Hazrat Bal mosque by terrorists, Cherra re sharif operation, and many many operations to flush out terrorists just flash in my memories.
Very very tense period that was which many army persons could not survive.
feku master.aur satta mar
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I am a regular...trust me guys...this is A really famous n trending podcast... it may not reflect in terms of likes n comments but it is
Hello,
Kudos on a very comprehensive and sober discourse on the Indian Special Forces.
The most correct part about his discourse was summarising the role of the Special Forces - reconaissance.
Where he gets it incorrect and I sincerely wish he did some more research was on the role of the Garud Special Forces. Like their counter parts from the Army & Navy, the air force element is also into active counter insurgency operations in J&K where they have earned their combat honours.
The main role of the Garuds are offensive aviation operations, akin to the Special Tactical Teams of the USAF, Sheldag & Unit 669 from Israel.
Whike they are located in various bases of the Air Force, their roles hold a strong offensive character operating in small denominations of 4.
Also, there is a technical distinction between Special Forces & Commando. Special Forces are specialised commandos characterised by their ability to exist and operate in depth.
Amazing content! Loved it
Sometimes, I think won't it be more sensible for Indian Navy to have an Amphibious expeditionary Marine force like US Marines, Royal Marines, Russian Naval Infantry etc.
This Amphibious expeditionary Marine can also act as a Talent pool for MARCOS.
The army high command has stymied the true potential of the Para sf. They haven't even bothered to seperate the airborne infantry and the SOF. all clubbed into same regiment and worse in last 20 years they have just converted a lot of airborne btns into sf. What JFK did to the green Berets in 70's is what the army has done to the para sf. They have diluted a small elite secretive force into a super infantry commando force which are used on the whims of CI CT op commanders and not strategically.
Jaffna university heli drop was actually one of the truest SOF like operation conducted by the para sf and the same op exposed the organizational and force structure weaknesses in our sf. We still don't have a dedicated special op aviation regiment for insertion and extraction, nor do we have a dedicated tactical intel and support group to conduct effective special operations.
Almost the entire focus was on Para commandos. Would love to know more about Marcos and how they are different from the Para. Marcos would be the equivalent of Navy SEALS, so how good are the Indian Marcos?
Could y’all do an episode on the R&AW ?
You should talk about VVF and SSB.
Can we have an episode on what happens in a war situation when the ranks are depleting and we have to trigger in civil defence, does the GOI have a doctrine regarding this very scenario?
Nothing..we all do tatti outdoors like always.
thanks shiv
you forgot to mention CROCS, commando wing of BSF
they are chutiy@ force
You should also talk about tier 1, tier 2, tier 3 special forces not just tier one special forces of India. Plus, does Indian Paramilitary Forces also have tier one special forces.
Tier 1, Tier 2 & Tier 3 is a budget based concept. US mei DEVGRU & CAG are Tier 1 because they come under JSOC which has a supreme funding, while Socom is Tier 2, hence all your SEALs, Green berets etc..and Tier 3 is simply conventional military
Para military units is not a teir 1 SOF unit they are not trained and equiped like Army teir one unit
Teir one unit only exist in Army , navy and garud
First, these 'tiers' within special operations forces are only/mostly a US-based concept.
Second, these 'tiers' are not official levels.
Third, India does not have any such 'tier' list/levels -- neither in the military, nor in the paramilitary community.
Uk SAS is the best tier 1 unit in the world
That may have been true in the pass but now, not really. US tier 1 units are. CAG and DEVGRU are the top dogs.
Then u have not heard about the British SBS ...@@TP_TheOneWhoDreams
UK...all due respect...but Delta is the standard, with the most experience... early GWOT they had to update SAS on Nods & CQB...SAS will tell you that
@@psyayimwone Sorry but no. Neither the SBS nor the SRS for that matter match up. That's the thing about having a massive budget, you get to train, experiment and innovate a hell of a lot more.
When reporters becomes expert
It is stupid to give ranking to armed forces since every nation has its own unique requirements. What matters is can you get the job done efficiently when there is need. We all know that traditionally we were not keen on arming para sf with latest equipments and some improvement have only happened in last decade. We need to provide extra support ecosystem for advanced training and new high tech equipments usage. Our boys are can beat anyone but with limited resources you can only do so little
Lol,,instead of interviewing SF veteran they are interviewing reporters..😂😂
He is not just any reporter...he is Shiv Aroor... One of the most knowledgeable and experienced reporter in defense segment along with Saurav Jha and Sandeep Unnithan in India
@@arunthakur19 he may be knowledgeable and experienced,, but less than SF veteran who have been on ground and seen things..
@@sabonwngtripuri7670 sure I agree, but these guys are very good story tellers, even most intelligent students often don't become good lecturers . He has thoroughly interviewed many SF operators even before social media became this popular. He had a micro bloging site livefist which I discovered somewhere around 2006 where he used to write about defence stories of India.
Shiv aroor is a bjp modi andhbhakt. Knows nthng except textbook knowledge
@@arunthakur19That doesn't mean much. Technical expertise makes or breaks insight.
What a joke of an interview.....its like a watchman outside tesla factory talking latest development taking place.
Correct..chutiy@s just blabing
Their body odours alert others from miles away. 😂
It is not as good as the Olympic team?
Lol Aroor trying his best gas as usual but the news stories indicate otherwise, as usual.
Indian spcl frcs... Hmmm... 🤔
....mostly prestige force I would say.....
.... As to their capability.....suspect
😂😂 experts of special forces with zero combat experience, surely these guys will shit in their pants if would have been in a combat role.
Bro you don't need to do things personally in order to know something or build your intelligence....one can simply be expert to some extent by interviewing people n grasping info....think before you open your ignorant rant arsh mouth
Lot of frills in both of these gentleman. Just plain nonsense or these ppl doesnt know what they r talking about to put it bluntly.
What a shame he had to research who garud was and still not sure
Anyone who had the misfortune of watching "that" blood curdling video on sm a few weeks ago knows this guy is lying through his teeth.
It is "Garud" not "Garudaa". At least as Indians, it is expected from us, to pronounce our cultural and historical names with a good accent, unless it is someone from a foreign country who doesn't know about our culture. The Armed forces use Sanskrit names and also maintain their dignity, that's why they are professionals! But we should stop ourselves from showing off, our culture and language as 3rd class.
In Sanskrit and south indian languages derived from Sanskrit, not urdu ised like hindi it is correct pronunciation.
Its Rama not Raam , shiva not shiv , Dharma not dharam.
hahah hindi belt gavaar... garud is hindi not sanskrit... garuda is more correct 🤣🤣
They did nothing for three days at the Mombai imcident.Sitting on roof tops and waitingbfor polititions enjoying smoke or having a laugh at people getting killed in the hotel.They had no idea as to what to do.Stupid congress men and their security people.