I think that conversation towards the end about pitchers was very insightful. I was a pitcher for about 6 years when I was younger and ended up giving it up because I was 12 throwing as hard as I could on a consistent basis and still not meeting margins. Thankfully I found myself in a league that wasn’t super serious about travel ball and all that and focus more on just having fun and I’ll be honest that was the most fun in all the years of playing and I think we need to get back to that backyard kinda feel at least with kids. There’s absolutely no reason a 12 year old needs to be throwing upwards of 60, 70 mph consistently
Trevs comment about the numbers of pitchers per game is interesting. I've recently been watching Jimmy and Jake's watching baseball series where they watch from about the 7th inning on in a ws game and the amount of pitchers per inning is staggering. Once that starter came out they would use a guy per out
Bellinger was like the Cubs 7th best position player. He was their highest paid player. He's also a lefty while PCA/Tucker/Busch are all lefties. He wasn't going to play and he didn't fit the roster. Nico was 2nd in NL in fWAR among 2B he's not moving anywhere. The Cubs freed up a ton of money to better optimize their roster.
Tbf, there were talks about Nico getting traded. Now that Belli is gone though, that isn't happening. They should sign a starter and another high-leverage arm for the bullpen.
Runs per game have stayed relatively constant even through the rule changes. Not as high as the steroid era but not much lower. Ks are going up but runs are still scoring. Why are we so convinced that this style of pitching is objectively more effective? The solution is in front of our faces. Organizations start paying for innings not Ks and velo/spin. The incentive for them is that there are more guys who can eat innings out there and stay healthy and it will still win you games. Then kids see that getting outs is how you get payed so they aren’t all trying to throw 100 when their bodies can’t. Let the guys who can do it do it while the others find their own way. Hard and wild vs soft and precise has always been a thing in baseball. Algorithms have completely deleted our peripheral understanding of the game and it’s limiting the type of talent we get to see.
I was surprised to learn that Kershaw and Arrieta were regularly pitching 7+ innings even in the mid-2010s. And scoring was lower than it is now. The need for multiple relievers is completely offsetting any benefits of throwing harder.
Velo is everything man. I played D1, lefty pitcher. Sat upper 8s got into low 90s. Never had a chance at a deep pro ball run and I knew it from the start. Velo velo velo. And honestly I get it, it makes hitting that much harder and those guys are just better
As a cubs fan, Belli’s defense didn’t take much of any of a step back, he just got PCAed. Almost any outfielder looks sub par when compared to PCA. The kids defense is incredible.
The players union could maybe argue a mandatory day after two consecutive days of usage. I think expanding rosters so every bullpen can have an "innings eater" makes sense too.
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As a Cubs fan, reallocating the money to bullpen arms would be great but the lineup needs homers. Like Alonso at first and dropping 40 bombs would be huge.
The Yankees are systematically proving no one baseball player is irreplaceable. I'd put their over-under on 94 wins so far. The best profile you hope for Cody Bellinger is he comes in here and becomes Curtis Granderson. Solid CF, and a lefty that consistently pulls the ball out to right field. Granderson had his best two HR years on the Yankees like this 40+ HRs in 2011 and 2012.
Go the opposite direction of Trev, make it much harder to do transactions and have less pitchers + if you go on the IL, you're out a mandatory 50+ days. This would change team incentive to always be max effort from the team perspective, and they'd encourage pitchers to not always be max effort
You could also do something like a 3rd roster beyond the 26 man roster and the 40 man roster, designate "X" (say 30 total) amount of pitchers, preseason, who are MLB eligible. Anyone who isn't on this preseason list cannot play on a big league roster, period. Teams will need to get their higher level pitchers to learn how to pitch beyond max effort.
At first I thought the Cubs were crazy because they are clearly a win now team after the Tucker trade. But then when I looked into it I realized that Bellinger is just not a very good player for 25 mil a season. I'm not really sure what Cashman is doing honestly. It just seems like a desperate move after missing out on Soto and Tucker.
agree, but Belli will hit way more homers at Yankee Stadium cuz it's shorter down the lines and he's a pull hitter (based on baseballsavant he would've had 24 HRs last year in the Bronx vs 18 at Wrigley), and his valuable outfield defense is desperately needed on the Yanks, meanwhile it's mostly wasted on the Cubs. good deal for both teams, imo.
I don’t get this narrative people are pushing. I get Bellinger is a good player, I have his jersey. But we had players that play his positions that played better. If he does good on the Yankees, great but we dont have room for him on the Cubs. Only way this trade is bad is if we don’t use the money
Jed Hoyer's first move as president was to non-tender Kyle Schwarber. His biggest move has been to go after a manager. This is all on brand for the Jed Hoyer era.
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is that why the cubs are -105 to win their division and the next closest team is +260? meanwhile yanks, yeesh, they're gonna finish third in their own division with that dumpster fire 😬
@@gorash100 cool, do their rotation and bullpen next. Also the point of the video (and what obviously going on) is that they clearly aren’t done and more moves are going to be made. If you think the message or perception of the fan base is “yup we got belly so now all is right” then you’re clearly delusional.
and he was 4.5 WAR two years ago when the Cubs actually had a good offense, plus he only played 48 games at CF last season. stop embarrassing yourself in a comments section that actually knows baseball.
“We used to call that depth” is an all time quote from Trevor😂😂
I think that conversation towards the end about pitchers was very insightful. I was a pitcher for about 6 years when I was younger and ended up giving it up because I was 12 throwing as hard as I could on a consistent basis and still not meeting margins. Thankfully I found myself in a league that wasn’t super serious about travel ball and all that and focus more on just having fun and I’ll be honest that was the most fun in all the years of playing and I think we need to get back to that backyard kinda feel at least with kids. There’s absolutely no reason a 12 year old needs to be throwing upwards of 60, 70 mph consistently
Just here for the puppy
How long until we get a puppy episode, with noodle and palmer
Trevs comment about the numbers of pitchers per game is interesting. I've recently been watching Jimmy and Jake's watching baseball series where they watch from about the 7th inning on in a ws game and the amount of pitchers per inning is staggering. Once that starter came out they would use a guy per out
This show really helps my baseball withdrawals thanks guys
Bellinger was like the Cubs 7th best position player. He was their highest paid player. He's also a lefty while PCA/Tucker/Busch are all lefties. He wasn't going to play and he didn't fit the roster.
Nico was 2nd in NL in fWAR among 2B he's not moving anywhere. The Cubs freed up a ton of money to better optimize their roster.
Finally another Cubs fan with more than 6 brain cells
no fukk Sherlock you just discovered that teams have their own reasons to make trades. You should be working at NASA
Dude had 2 cracked ribs. Former gold glove and mvp. So wtf you talking about
Tbf, there were talks about Nico getting traded. Now that Belli is gone though, that isn't happening. They should sign a starter and another high-leverage arm for the bullpen.
Runs per game have stayed relatively constant even through the rule changes. Not as high as the steroid era but not much lower. Ks are going up but runs are still scoring. Why are we so convinced that this style of pitching is objectively more effective? The solution is in front of our faces. Organizations start paying for innings not Ks and velo/spin. The incentive for them is that there are more guys who can eat innings out there and stay healthy and it will still win you games.
Then kids see that getting outs is how you get payed so they aren’t all trying to throw 100 when their bodies can’t. Let the guys who can do it do it while the others find their own way. Hard and wild vs soft and precise has always been a thing in baseball. Algorithms have completely deleted our peripheral understanding of the game and it’s limiting the type of talent we get to see.
I was surprised to learn that Kershaw and Arrieta were regularly pitching 7+ innings even in the mid-2010s. And scoring was lower than it is now. The need for multiple relievers is completely offsetting any benefits of throwing harder.
Velo is everything man. I played D1, lefty pitcher. Sat upper 8s got into low 90s. Never had a chance at a deep pro ball run and I knew it from the start. Velo velo velo. And honestly I get it, it makes hitting that much harder and those guys are just better
kyle hendricks. he's fallen off the last few years, but he had a heck of a career throwing those speeds but with command and finesse.
@ yeah true, but he was such an outlier. Command was insane. He probably was the last of the Greg Maddux types we’ll ever see imo
Yankees dodged a Soto bullet and got Belli. L.A fan here. You're gonna LOVE his outfield defense and his bat still has timely pop. Good for NYY
delusion
As a cubs fan, Belli’s defense didn’t take much of any of a step back, he just got PCAed. Almost any outfielder looks sub par when compared to PCA. The kids defense is incredible.
I miss BBD’s cute face in the bottom corner 😭😭
Was there an explanation?
the bots beat me
Trevor, they sell a spray you can spray on your wires that makes them taste bad so your dog won’t chew on them.
The players union could maybe argue a mandatory day after two consecutive days of usage. I think expanding rosters so every bullpen can have an "innings eater" makes sense too.
I expected nothing less than Trevor having an incredibly beautiful puppy
i think 6 man rotations have to be the new norm and expand the rosters for and extra pitcher and an extra spot for either pitcher or position player
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Almost had Jake spitting out the coffee 🤣 dynamic duo
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As a Cubs fan, reallocating the money to bullpen arms would be great but the lineup needs homers. Like Alonso at first and dropping 40 bombs would be huge.
I never thought I'd hear an Ernest Hemingway-Old Man and the Sea reference out of Jake, I wonder if he knew it was an Ernest Hemingway reference 🤣🤣
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The Yankees are systematically proving no one baseball player is irreplaceable. I'd put their over-under on 94 wins so far. The best profile you hope for Cody Bellinger is he comes in here and becomes Curtis Granderson. Solid CF, and a lefty that consistently pulls the ball out to right field. Granderson had his best two HR years on the Yankees like this 40+ HRs in 2011 and 2012.
😂😂😂😂! Soto is an 8 WAR player. Bellinger is a 2 WAR player. Keep coping.
@@AnimeBronx I think you can’t read. Look at the first sentence and read it a few times.
Agreed. They are already better, especially defensively. Pitching and defense over everything. I wanna keep stealing bases, etc. Great trade.
@@JR-zu9jkreading and understanding isn't anime fans forte. Why do you think they watch crap in a language they don't speak?
@@AnimeBronx Soto won't be 8 WAR when he move to DH in 2 years LOLOLOL
23:57 no no no trev Who is playing first.
Palmer is unbelievably adorable
As a cubs fan, I'm excited for Shaw to come up. Bringing in 3B, means Nico may be gone possibly.
Go the opposite direction of Trev, make it much harder to do transactions and have less pitchers + if you go on the IL, you're out a mandatory 50+ days.
This would change team incentive to always be max effort from the team perspective, and they'd encourage pitchers to not always be max effort
You could also do something like a 3rd roster beyond the 26 man roster and the 40 man roster, designate "X" (say 30 total) amount of pitchers, preseason, who are MLB eligible. Anyone who isn't on this preseason list cannot play on a big league roster, period. Teams will need to get their higher level pitchers to learn how to pitch beyond max effort.
Get in my beli!!
It’s Sugano, not Shugano fyi
At first I thought the Cubs were crazy because they are clearly a win now team after the Tucker trade. But then when I looked into it I realized that Bellinger is just not a very good player for 25 mil a season. I'm not really sure what Cashman is doing honestly. It just seems like a desperate move after missing out on Soto and Tucker.
agree, but Belli will hit way more homers at Yankee Stadium cuz it's shorter down the lines and he's a pull hitter (based on baseballsavant he would've had 24 HRs last year in the Bronx vs 18 at Wrigley), and his valuable outfield defense is desperately needed on the Yanks, meanwhile it's mostly wasted on the Cubs. good deal for both teams, imo.
I feel like a Cubs trade for Alec Bohm would be huge.
Good pick up for the yanks
I don’t get this narrative people are pushing. I get Bellinger is a good player, I have his jersey. But we had players that play his positions that played better. If he does good on the Yankees, great but we dont have room for him on the Cubs. Only way this trade is bad is if we don’t use the money
Jed Hoyer's first move as president was to non-tender Kyle Schwarber. His biggest move has been to go after a manager. This is all on brand for the Jed Hoyer era.
Cody's dad used to play for the Yankees.
Cody's wife used to play with the current Yankee Giancarlo.
Oh snap I didn't know that. Awkward
Pete Alonso is a cub for sure
He is called Polar Bear after all
Owls kill many cats, and small dogs. People think they’re pets got loose and ran away. Nah. My GF had a mini chihuahua, she put in the the back yard, never saw it again. 🦉
Dinos represent: owls just getting some feline payback for all the birds.
@@pinverarityayooooo!🦉
Yankee fans going through the stages of grief is exhausting.
So dumb we don’t put judge at first now. Just ridiculous why not it’s not like he is Roberto Clemente
Centerfield is easier than left field
The Cubs have 8 right handed pitchers. 0 left handers
*bullpen
Yanks are going to Boo Belli out of that option year. Won’t end well
Cubs fans in the comment section acting like they have the slightest chance of making the playoffs is hilarious.
is that why the cubs are -105 to win their division and the next closest team is +260? meanwhile yanks, yeesh, they're gonna finish third in their own division with that dumpster fire 😬
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Skankees are so damn lucky that all the other AL team owners decided to take a dump on the 2025 season.
Totally. They almost win by default. The only exception might be the Red Sox
yankee fans pretending Bellinger makes them a thing ..the line-up still stinks
If this is the end of thier moves your correct but if they get a 1st base and 2nd baseman they will be better than last year.
Ya sound dumb if that’s your takeaway 😂
@@thebronxbambino2 yup that's my take away ...
Jazz Chisholm, 2B--lol
Aaron Judge, RF-HOF 'mer
Cody Bellinger, CF- whatever
Giancarlo Stanton, DH--? maybe if healthy
Jasson Dominguez, LF ? who knows
Austin Wells, C-lol
Anthony Volpe, SS-lol
DJ LeMahieu, 1B-lol
Oswaldo Cabrera/Oswald Peraza, 3B-lol
@@gorash100 cool, do their rotation and bullpen next. Also the point of the video (and what obviously going on) is that they clearly aren’t done and more moves are going to be made. If you think the message or perception of the fan base is “yup we got belly so now all is right” then you’re clearly delusional.
@@thebronxbambino2 that's a lot of fixing to do
😂😂😂 at Trevor Plouffe. Stop with Bellinger is underrated crap. Dude is a 2 WAR player.
Casual
can we quit bringing up Bregman to the yanks
Go yanks!
Carlos Santana to the yanks anyone?
Kinda want Walker more but definitely Walker or Santana over Alonso or Goldshit please
He’s 39 years old. Way too many first baseman on the market to settle for Carlos Santana lmao
@@Christian-m1y1y age doesnt really matter right now when you’re talking about 6m a year for a gold glove switch hitter with 25 homers😂
@@mannydelacruz1839 exactly
@ he hasn’t been good in 5 years good thing you’re not the Gm
😂😂😂 at Trevor Ploof. Stop with Bellinger is underrated crap. Dude is a 2 WAR player.
and he was 4.5 WAR two years ago when the Cubs actually had a good offense, plus he only played 48 games at CF last season. stop embarrassing yourself in a comments section that actually knows baseball.
Free Trevor Bauer
Go dodgers.
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