That Hogan/Harley story is responsible for possibly the greatest moment ever on any of Jim Cornettes podcasts. Harley Race setting the ring on fire, and then asking for a job with the company who's ring he set on fire. Amazing.
I really wish this episode was two hours long. Harley Race deserves his whole story told. Because, objectively, Harley Race might be the Greatest of All Time.
Interesting as Race was only around 6'1. On the shorter side compared to most of the big names at the time. You'd think Andre could swat away someone that size but it does show how scary a man Harley could be.
I didn't know Harley abused his wife. Not sticking up for him but he did drink a lot. Man alive, these wrestlers sure have checkered pasts In the 80's I was ok with Flair. The Four Horseman and Dusty feud was epic. Race should have been the champion longer. Race was the real deal. If Magnum did get hurt and David Von Erick not have died the Flair career would have been different. .
Damn, coincidentally that’s what happened with my uncle. On Christmas Eve in 94’, my uncle and his first wife were looking at the Christmas lights around town and a 18 wheeler wrecked into them and fell on my aunt crushing her to death. My uncle broke both of his legs, his hip, and shattered his ribs. He was bed ridden for 6 months and he had a pee through a tube for about a year. My aunt was only 21 years old, and pregnant at the time. My uncle he is still alive, been married 2 times since then, yet around Christmas time it’s rough for him as he thinks about what happened to her and him. It’s really sad, that this happened to Harley Race as well and I just can’t imagine losing a wife like that. Just awful!
@@thewelfarequeenpodcast7512 I’m not sure what happened to the driver. I was only two years old when this all happened. It was so traumatic that I stopped talking for about two years. I had to go to speech therapy. My uncle though god bless him, he is still alive today working for ASIN Automotive as Quality Engineer. He is such a strong and good hearted man, even though he has suffered, yet he carried on cause he had to.
this was a pretty good episode of dark side of the ring Harley race was an awesome manager for Vader in WCW jim cornette is always the MVP of these episodes I didn't even know that trevor murdoch was trained by harley race that's very interesting i always learn new things during these episodes.
You don't tug on Superman's cape, you don't spit into the wind, you don't take the mask off that Ole Lone Ranger, and you don't mess around with Harley's chili. Yeah, I know it doesn't rhyme, but you get the idea.
My memory was correct, but Hogan wasn't at that show. Maybe Harley race was out of town for the first show, but memorial Hall is where Central States held cards. What I don't understand is the attendance for the memorial Hall card is listed at being more than the attendance of the Kemper arena card.
If Harley had gone to the WWF in 1983, I think Hulkamania would’ve been delayed by 3 months. Coming in as the NWA champion, he would’ve certainly taken the Iron Sheik’s spot and defeated Backlund. The main event of WrestleMania might’ve ended up being Hogan vs. Harley Race for the belt.
It's funny to me that Jim Cornette hates Eddie Mansfield so much for exposing the business, yet he has nothing bad to say about Harley Race, who did the exact same thing.
Jim makes exceptions for people he likes. He hates Deathmatches, but loves Mick Foley. Besides even as as ghost, Harley race would crush Jim Cornette, and he knows it.
@@jasmith26 and I love both AEW and Memphis wrestling! There’s room for all the above. I think his criticism are valid but he’s goes over the top. It’s not constructive criticism if you’re using insults, ya know what I mean?
@@jasmith26 same. I’m no Jc defender. I think dude has a huge blind spot for AEW because of his hated of the Bucks and Kenny. He used to like Mox when he was Dean Ambrose but the moment the first Mox vs Omega happened, he hated his guts. Dude needs a different hobby.
I'm actually a little inclined to believe Hogan's side of the story because who in their right mind would make up a version of events where they're running for their lives fresh off the toilet with mudbutt?
It’s really interesting to think what would have happened if Harley went to the WWF and no showed Starcade. I think that would have made the Wrestlemania 1 Main Event be Harley Race vs Hulk Hogan for the Title.
My memory of Harley Race goes back to the Summer of '86 when he arrived in the WWF on All-Star Wrestling (or Maple Leaf Wrestling). The King of the Ring house show hadn't happened yet, but on commentary you could almost feel the gears turning in Bobby Heenan's head in regard to Race as Monsoon made obscure mention of his credentials. I didn't know anything of Race's history until a few months later through Pro-Wrestling Illustrated and the Pro-Wrestling Weekly tv show that covered all the territories in those days, which included the King's pre-WWF days; I didn't know that Vince was boss then, but It pretty much started my slowly growing dislike of his idiotic eccentricities/obsession of making his Brand of Entertainment the only game in town, while everything else didn't exist and neither did Harley Race's previous history. As for the setting the ring on fire, I recall a rib Dynamite Kid played on Race. Long story short: Dynamite set Race's bed sheets on fire and woke him up saying "King you Daft Ba$tard, you fell asleep with your cigarettes again!" SO, what I believed happened with the ring: Race was smoking while in the ring with one of the boys during the set-up for the show, he tossed the butt aside in the ring and thought nothing of it while someone on the ring crew blew it out of proportion.
I no longer watch or listen to Hulk Hogan because he lies so much that a grain of sand is still too small to describe the amount of truth Hulk can provide.
@@lancethefilmguy9392 No, Hulk Hogan was essential to wrestling. I don't want to listen to him in interviews these days because he lies so much you learn nothing about wrestling or wrestling history.
The sad thing about his first wife? We'll have to wonder if the paramedics f'ed up on the call on his wife, and they gave up on her before they should have. They royally screwed up one person on the scene, after all, pronouncing Harley dead. We'll never know, but I wonder if Harley thought about that.
In regards to the Harley/Hulk Hogan story, Bret Hart said exactly the same thing Harley said what happened in his book. Hogan's story is pure bullshit
This is my surprised face: 😐
I wouldn't trust Hogan to give me directions down the street
@@cctitansfanDidn't know it was still cool to hate Hogan
Hogan stories are part of his gimmick , and its entertaining to listen to them tbh
Oh how I wish there was footage of Harley Race catching up to Owen Hart with the taser after the chilli incident at his house
I remember Harley saying that he got Owen the next day in the locker room. After Owen had just showered. Bare ass and all.
That Hogan/Harley story is responsible for possibly the greatest moment ever on any of Jim Cornettes podcasts. Harley Race setting the ring on fire, and then asking for a job with the company who's ring he set on fire. Amazing.
“Obviously he’s upset…”
And hearing Brian Last laughing. Every time he laughs, I say to myself “he’s gonna have a heart attack on air”
My takeaway from Wrestling secrets unposed….She’s a stunt granny!.”
Hogan saying his stomach hurts and running sounds like something Mr Satan from dbz would do.
He is better than that
Yes, Owen just "happened" to have three bottles of hot sauce called Insanity with him for a chili cookout, lol.
I really wish this episode was two hours long. Harley Race deserves his whole story told. Because, objectively, Harley Race might be the Greatest of All Time.
Little known fact. Harley Race is the man who ended both of the Funk Brothers NWA World Heavyweight title reigns.
13:47 - I think that way about Shawn's casket bump. Looks like he doesn't even touch it.
Michaels' lower back just grazed the corner.
He came back to WWF for a king vs king feud with Haku for a short stint.
Harley Race, the only man that Andre The Giant legitimately feared aside from Haku.
Interesting as Race was only around 6'1. On the shorter side compared to most of the big names at the time. You'd think Andre could swat away someone that size but it does show how scary a man Harley could be.
That Chicken should be in the Hall of Fame
I didn't know Harley abused his wife. Not sticking up for him but he did drink a lot. Man alive, these wrestlers sure have checkered pasts
In the 80's I was ok with Flair. The Four Horseman and Dusty feud was epic. Race should have been the champion longer. Race was the real deal. If Magnum did get hurt and David Von Erick not have died the Flair career would have been different. .
I can assure you that Harley Race didn't need a gun.
The gun needed him.
Damn, coincidentally that’s what happened with my uncle. On Christmas Eve in 94’, my uncle and his first wife were looking at the Christmas lights around town and a 18 wheeler wrecked into them and fell on my aunt crushing her to death. My uncle broke both of his legs, his hip, and shattered his ribs. He was bed ridden for 6 months and he had a pee through a tube for about a year. My aunt was only 21 years old, and pregnant at the time. My uncle he is still alive, been married 2 times since then, yet around Christmas time it’s rough for him as he thinks about what happened to her and him. It’s really sad, that this happened to Harley Race as well and I just can’t imagine losing a wife like that. Just awful!
I hope the driver was put into jail for that.
@@thewelfarequeenpodcast7512 I’m not sure what happened to the driver. I was only two years old when this all happened. It was so traumatic that I stopped talking for about two years. I had to go to speech therapy. My uncle though god bless him, he is still alive today working for ASIN Automotive as Quality Engineer. He is such a strong and good hearted man, even though he has suffered, yet he carried on cause he had to.
When I was a kid Harley was 40 but always looked 60
this was a pretty good episode of dark side of the ring Harley race was an awesome manager for Vader in WCW jim cornette is always the MVP of these episodes I didn't even know that trevor murdoch was trained by harley race that's very interesting i always learn new things during these episodes.
Murdoch is the perfect guy to carry NWA legacy forward. He was born old
RIP Harley Race
You don't tug on Superman's cape, you don't spit into the wind, you don't take the mask off that Ole Lone Ranger, and you don't mess around with Harley's chili.
Yeah, I know it doesn't rhyme, but you get the idea.
There is no way Harley race needed a gun to take out Hogan
Surprised Harley didn't tour the state fair circuit doing the demolition derby.
If memory serves me correct, the first show WWF ran in KC was Memorial Hall.
My memory was correct, but Hogan wasn't at that show. Maybe Harley race was out of town for the first show, but memorial Hall is where Central States held cards. What I don't understand is the attendance for the memorial Hall card is listed at being more than the attendance of the Kemper arena card.
If Harley had gone to the WWF in 1983, I think Hulkamania would’ve been delayed by 3 months. Coming in as the NWA champion, he would’ve certainly taken the Iron Sheik’s spot and defeated Backlund. The main event of WrestleMania might’ve ended up being Hogan vs. Harley Race for the belt.
good review
She's stunt granny.
Wtf is a stunt granny?
It's funny to me that Jim Cornette hates Eddie Mansfield so much for exposing the business, yet he has nothing bad to say about Harley Race, who did the exact same thing.
Jim makes exceptions for people he likes. He hates Deathmatches, but loves Mick Foley. Besides even as as ghost, Harley race would crush Jim Cornette, and he knows it.
@@thetribalist6923 Exactly. The same way he calls AEW cosplay wrestling. But he is quiet on his precious Memphis Wrestling.
@@jasmith26 and I love both AEW and Memphis wrestling! There’s room for all the above. I think his criticism are valid but he’s goes over the top. It’s not constructive criticism if you’re using insults, ya know what I mean?
@@thetribalist6923 I get it. Just want him to have that same energy.
@@jasmith26 same. I’m no Jc defender. I think dude has a huge blind spot for AEW because of his hated of the Bucks and Kenny. He used to like Mox when he was Dean Ambrose but the moment the first Mox vs Omega happened, he hated his guts. Dude needs a different hobby.
Great episode
I'm actually a little inclined to believe Hogan's side of the story because who in their right mind would make up a version of events where they're running for their lives fresh off the toilet with mudbutt?
It’s really interesting to think what would have happened if Harley went to the WWF and no showed Starcade. I think that would have made the Wrestlemania 1 Main Event be Harley Race vs Hulk Hogan for the Title.
Not year and half later
Dustin Rhodes told the Owen story during the Raw is Owen episode.
Too bad they didn’t go into the lawsuit with Harley Race and Jerry Lawler. The heat between them going back to the 1970s.
My memory of Harley Race goes back to the Summer of '86 when he arrived in the WWF on All-Star Wrestling (or Maple Leaf Wrestling). The King of the Ring house show hadn't happened yet, but on commentary you could almost feel the gears turning in Bobby Heenan's head in regard to Race as Monsoon made obscure mention of his credentials. I didn't know anything of Race's history until a few months later through Pro-Wrestling Illustrated and the Pro-Wrestling Weekly tv show that covered all the territories in those days, which included the King's pre-WWF days; I didn't know that Vince was boss then, but It pretty much started my slowly growing dislike of his idiotic eccentricities/obsession of making his Brand of Entertainment the only game in town, while everything else didn't exist and neither did Harley Race's previous history.
As for the setting the ring on fire, I recall a rib Dynamite Kid played on Race. Long story short: Dynamite set Race's bed sheets on fire and woke him up saying "King you Daft Ba$tard, you fell asleep with your cigarettes again!"
SO, what I believed happened with the ring: Race was smoking while in the ring with one of the boys during the set-up for the show, he tossed the butt aside in the ring and thought nothing of it while someone on the ring crew blew it out of proportion.
I'd say Harley tried to beat Duggan to death with a chicken, but it sounds more like he beat a chicken to death with Duggan.
Harley would’ve made hogan quit the business. If they wrestled and Harley took liberties with hogan, hulks career would’ve been flat out over.
I no longer watch or listen to Hulk Hogan because he lies so much that a grain of sand is still too small to describe the amount of truth Hulk can provide.
So you are holding a grudge against him?
@@lancethefilmguy9392 No, Hulk Hogan was essential to wrestling. I don't want to listen to him in interviews these days because he lies so much you learn nothing about wrestling or wrestling history.
The sad thing about his first wife? We'll have to wonder if the paramedics f'ed up on the call on his wife, and they gave up on her before they should have. They royally screwed up one person on the scene, after all, pronouncing Harley dead. We'll never know, but I wonder if Harley thought about that.
Woah early for once
Actually, Solomonster, Harley won his first NWA title in 1963. Not 1973.
It was 1973. The only champions in 1963 were Buddy Rogers & Lou Thesz.
FFS
Harley a damn psychopath
Hulk Hogan always a liar, so I believe Harley Race