St. Vitus Cathedral was built when Czech king was Charles IV, who grew up in France. So maybe it could be another reason why this cathedral is French wonder.
Also the first architect of St. Vitus cathedral was Matthias of Arras (French architect) who was invited by Charles IV to Bohemia. However he and his company managed to build only the east part of the cathedral.
It's actually not Saint Vitus Cathedral, or any other cathedral. It's a rocket ship designed by Charlemagne to launch to the Moon. THE FRANKS GOT THEIR FIRST!
People always confuse the Britons with the British in the game: there is no such civilization as the British in the game. Historically the Britons were of a Celtic origin and inhabited the western parts of the island of Great Britain, whereas the actual, present-day British are mix of Celtic, Anglo-Saxon, Roman, etc. origin. ...yes, I'm fun at parties.
Right! But in the game then the historical britons are the Celts, who infact represent Galles, Scotland, and Cornwall. While the Britons in game are Anglo-Saxons + Normans (England).
Your about 600 years before the game. Britons are England and Wales (with a little bit of modern day france) as the campaign (well a battle) which features in the game is Henry V (whom tookover Normandy). Celts, are all the gaelic tribes that still would've existed back then, in scotland and ireland. They were taken over in 1745? (meh years) when the "British" (thats just a common tongue word for people of England (Unified by Alfred The Great) and Wales (Wales taken over by Edward III)) won in the Battle of Culloden. Pity we didn't go as far as the Guard of Fort Birdowald wanted - as that would have made GB truly a united Kingdom. Now we are just a bunch of former kingdoms lumped together with a few heritage larks claiming independence again. Oh well Civil War round 2, we will win again! Bastards. Reminds me of what the British Empire did all over the place. (British India (Bangladesh, India and Pakistan), British Palestine (Lebanon, Israel, "Palestine" and a bit of Egypt I think), Yugoslavia (six countries incl Serbia and Croatia) etc) We just wacked together nations and peoples together. See we were a good influence, we were trying to get mutliculturalism going even before it started to become a leftist mantle-piece and political football to be thrown around the commons.
@@sethheristal9561 The Briton civilsation in this are the Brythonic insular celts such as the Welsh, Cornish and Bretons mixed with Norman rule England. The Celt civilization in this game represent the Gaelic insular celts such as the Irish, Manx and Scottish
Uninstalled the game, all this historical inaccuracy in the game is unacceptable! Very informative video again Zero, I thought I knew almost everything about the game but I actually learned a lot from both this and your last video as well. Great job man!
OMG your right. The moon is the wrong size in titanic. I'm going to ask for a refund from James Cameron for that movie and for that other one about the tree planet with blue people. I'm having doubts about wether that is a real place. On second thought I better not otherwise James Cameron might send a terminator machine after me.
Hi! A Czech from Prague here! By the time the Sv.Vitus cathedral construction was started by Jan Lucemburský. That was ruler of Luxemburg and had close relations with France. Later on, his son Karel IV. even recieved several thorns from French king, which are believed to be thorns from the crown of Christ. So... At that time, our kingdom was very close with France! Actually Jan Lucemburský died in the battle of Crécy and his son Karel was wounded there.
You made a common but crucial mistake at 4:15. Even though it is called "Gothic architecture", this style has nothing to do with the Goths. According to wikipedia : "Originating in 12th century France and lasting into the 16th century, Gothic architecture was known during the period as Opus Francigenum ("French work") with the term Gothic first appearing during the later part of the Renaissance."
That's really good to know! Thank you! However, even with that mistake I believe it further backs up what I'm saying in a sense (for them not to use this as the Goths wonder)
The 'Gothic' architecture, according to that same page, was a 'pejorative' term, meaning that it had first been utilised in a bit of an informal, sometimes derogatory, manner, before becoming a formal means of describing the style of architecture. Reason for using 'Gothic'? Well, (as far as I have gathered, at least) the person who coined the term, allegedly, compared the style to other prevailing styles a in a similar light to how Romans saw Goths - crude, surrounded by a dark aura, and scary. That same reason is also where the goth scene gets its name - and for long, I had been wondering what the goth scene had to do with the actual Goths to get that name. :p Don't quote me on the latter, but I've come to believe in that as of recent. Point out anything that I've got wrong, or missed haha
SOTL released a video with the same dad joke, 8 minutes before......wait you need to hold a wonder for 8 minutes. clearly Zack stole all of his content AND the wonder victory JKJK love zack
zak uploaded couple years ago video that coved some of the aspects that SOLT said like p1 has higher priority in if two wonders has been built same time
Well, I guess they did the right decision in the end - I'm Czech yet I never noticed the Frankish wonder is our very own St. Vitus, thinking there are many similiarly looking churches in France, while thinking the British wonder is somewhat fucked-up Salisbury. :-)
Great little investigation. I think your theory holds water. It sucks to cut good assets that work has been put into, especially since their pipeline had them modeling and rendering all this stuff offline in order to make the image. Offline rendering in Max was awful back then. Between the time to concept, get reference(which was much harder then), model, render, and implement.... I'd guess the cost for one of those wonders was around $4,000-5,000. So cutting one to make a new one would have cost double that, at least. Possibly more if you account for the man hours to meet and debate what to do with it.
Not watched any yet, but is amazing how SOTL has 39.000 views when this has 5.600 views. I Am sure both guys have amazing video, because imma watch them both. Lovely how the overall popularity at AOC has grown these couple of years, love it. Keep up the good Work Zak, can't wait till our 1v1's bby :*
If anyone actually had the skills, I would say a mod restoring Aachen to the French and giving the Britons a proper cathedral - Canterbury, Old St. Paul's, Westminster Abbey, even St. Patrick's in Dublin - would be awesome!
Holy Khan Canterbury, Westminster or Yorkminster would be my options. Or maybe Ely for a more typical stocky cathedral if the name recognition is less important.
David None The Franks created the Kingdom of Francia though (of which Charlemagne was the King) which is a direct political ancestor to the Kingdom of France. The Holy Roman Empire was the other main successor, but that was basically the german-speaking bits. So in game, we get the Franks represent the ones who stayed around Gaul (modern day France), and the Teutons representing the german speaking areas outside of Gaul. The Franks pioneered the concept of European heavy cavalry during the early Holy Roman Empire, and passed this on to their successors when they became known as France, so the French heavy cavalry is directly descended from Frankish innovations. It does make sense, although they threw insome of the early Frankish infantry tactics with throwing axemen.
I don't understand why they even made that wonder for the goths in the first place if it didn't fit them at all and had to be replaced later. That doesn't really make sense.
The Goth should have been the Slavs and it would made all sense, in the Genghis Khan and Barbarossa campaigns the Goth fraction is used to present Russia and Poland, them having the Prague wonder would have made total sense if the Goths were Slavs instead. The Goths dont make sense at all in the vanilla version until the Attila campaign came with the expansion. Maybe they wanted the Goths originally to be Slavs but scrapped it for unknown reason, or they still wanted the Goths to represent Slavs even in the World Wonder by simple giving the excuse that the Architecture indeed looks Gothic
I thought Archan and many other gothic cathedrals were created by the same architect? (and I think he was British) Or Am I getting the wrong era all together? His name is Wren or ren or something like that, he built/designed places like Hampton Court, St Pauls and influenced loads of european archtects in chruches/buildings. Basically, thats why Britain has so much influence as they basically built modern europe.
I am going to figure out a solution to this, as I don't want loads of match commentaries spamming the channel but I do obviously do commentaries on twitch. Have you tried watching the VODs on twitch? They recently updated their service so vods are much better.
There was a previous St Paul's Cathedral that burned down in the Great London Fire of 1666 cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/2000/1*nKmQ0_eyg_3d3FtfA0GFOg.png upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0a/St_Paul%27s_old._From_Francis_Bond%2C_Early_Christian_Architecture._Last_book_1913..jpg www.explore-stpauls.net/oct03/images/movieimg/OldStPauls01.jpg c8.alamy.com/comp/D8EW2K/old-st-pauls-cathedral-london-england-destroyed-by-fire-in-1666-from-D8EW2K.jpg
I wonder what other cathedral from England, Wales or Brittany would have made an ideal replacement for the British Wonder. In another video I have mentioned La Cathedrale Saint-Tugdual in Tréguier, Brittany.
mystery solved... damn, they are so lazy or cheap. If i was the manager of the project, i would like to design a new one. Anyway, it doesnt matter at all lol. Greetings! :D
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both Zak and SOTL uploaded wonder video in less than ten minutes between videos! what is this?
Whoa! You're kidding me? Thats madness haha - very different topics though
I wonder why...
Both of you used the same awful pun though!
... wonderful
That's the real mystery here. Maybe we can get detective empires on that one...
Really liked this documentary, keep up the great content Zero
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hey Duba
I actually live in Aachen and Im always happy to see our "Dom" on your channel
St. Vitus Cathedral was built when Czech king was Charles IV, who grew up in France. So maybe it could be another reason why this cathedral is French wonder.
There is certainly that thread! But it's still a very loose one
Also the first architect of St. Vitus cathedral was Matthias of Arras (French architect) who was invited by Charles IV to Bohemia. However he and his company managed to build only the east part of the cathedral.
It's actually not Saint Vitus Cathedral, or any other cathedral.
It's a rocket ship designed by Charlemagne to launch to the Moon. THE FRANKS GOT THEIR FIRST!
People always confuse the Britons with the British in the game: there is no such civilization as the British in the game. Historically the Britons were of a Celtic origin and inhabited the western parts of the island of Great Britain, whereas the actual, present-day British are mix of Celtic, Anglo-Saxon, Roman, etc. origin.
...yes, I'm fun at parties.
11 don't worry we're all fun at parties in our own way! Thanks for the info - though I am sure people understand what I am trying to say
Right! But in the game then the historical britons are the Celts, who infact represent Galles, Scotland, and Cornwall. While the Britons in game are Anglo-Saxons + Normans (England).
Your about 600 years before the game.
Britons are England and Wales (with a little bit of modern day france) as the campaign (well a battle) which features in the game is Henry V (whom tookover Normandy).
Celts, are all the gaelic tribes that still would've existed back then, in scotland and ireland. They were taken over in 1745? (meh years) when the "British" (thats just a common tongue word for people of England (Unified by Alfred The Great) and Wales (Wales taken over by Edward III)) won in the Battle of Culloden. Pity we didn't go as far as the Guard of Fort Birdowald wanted - as that would have made GB truly a united Kingdom. Now we are just a bunch of former kingdoms lumped together with a few heritage larks claiming independence again. Oh well Civil War round 2, we will win again! Bastards.
Reminds me of what the British Empire did all over the place. (British India (Bangladesh, India and Pakistan), British Palestine (Lebanon, Israel, "Palestine" and a bit of Egypt I think), Yugoslavia (six countries incl Serbia and Croatia) etc)
We just wacked together nations and peoples together. See we were a good influence, we were trying to get mutliculturalism going even before it started to become a leftist mantle-piece and political football to be thrown around the commons.
@@sethheristal9561 The Briton civilsation in this are the Brythonic insular celts such as the Welsh, Cornish and Bretons mixed with Norman rule England. The Celt civilization in this game represent the Gaelic insular celts such as the Irish, Manx and Scottish
More than the investigation itself, what impressed me the most is your linear and logic method of thinking and reasoning
Uninstalled the game, all this historical inaccuracy in the game is unacceptable! Very informative video again Zero, I thought I knew almost everything about the game but I actually learned a lot from both this and your last video as well. Great job man!
You should ask for a refund, I sent my original CD to Microsoft and am in touch with my lawyers to get my money back, outrageous!
ITS A GAME U FKING DIPSHIT, Thats like saying the size of the moon is wrong in Titanic movie............................DUMBFUCKS...
OMG your right. The moon is the wrong size in titanic. I'm going to ask for a refund from James Cameron for that movie and for that other one about the tree planet with blue people. I'm having doubts about wether that is a real place. On second thought I better not otherwise James Cameron might send a terminator machine after me.
mind blown about the moon though really
BJ RYU I think he was joking...
Hi! A Czech from Prague here! By the time the Sv.Vitus cathedral construction was started by Jan Lucemburský. That was ruler of Luxemburg and had close relations with France. Later on, his son Karel IV. even recieved several thorns from French king, which are believed to be thorns from the crown of Christ. So... At that time, our kingdom was very close with France! Actually Jan Lucemburský died in the battle of Crécy and his son Karel was wounded there.
5:06 No, DauT!
You made a common but crucial mistake at 4:15.
Even though it is called "Gothic architecture", this style has nothing to do with the Goths.
According to wikipedia :
"Originating in 12th century France and lasting into the 16th century, Gothic architecture was known during the period as Opus Francigenum ("French work") with the term Gothic first appearing during the later part of the Renaissance."
That's really good to know! Thank you! However, even with that mistake I believe it further backs up what I'm saying in a sense (for them not to use this as the Goths wonder)
Yeah totally.
The 'Gothic' architecture, according to that same page, was a 'pejorative' term, meaning that it had first been utilised in a bit of an informal, sometimes derogatory, manner, before becoming a formal means of describing the style of architecture.
Reason for using 'Gothic'? Well, (as far as I have gathered, at least) the person who coined the term, allegedly, compared the style to other prevailing styles a in a similar light to how Romans saw Goths - crude, surrounded by a dark aura, and scary. That same reason is also where the goth scene gets its name - and for long, I had been wondering what the goth scene had to do with the actual Goths to get that name. :p
Don't quote me on the latter, but I've come to believe in that as of recent. Point out anything that I've got wrong, or missed haha
SOTL released a video with the same dad joke, 8 minutes before......wait you need to hold a wonder for 8 minutes. clearly Zack stole all of his content AND the wonder victory
JKJK love zack
zak uploaded couple years ago video that coved some of the aspects that SOLT said like p1 has higher priority in if two wonders has been built same time
good to see how the wonders of the civilizations were designed during development of aoe2
You make it sound very plausible! I love these videos, thanks!
SOTL posted a wonder video like right now
Najeeb Anwer coincidence? I think not.
This is amazing! More of these please!
Well, I guess they did the right decision in the end - I'm Czech yet I never noticed the Frankish wonder is our very own St. Vitus, thinking there are many similiarly looking churches in France, while thinking the British wonder is somewhat fucked-up Salisbury. :-)
2 uploads within 24 HOURS!!!!
The Japaneese from Aoe 2 wonder looks like the Yamato, Shang, and Choson from Age of Empires 1 wonder
Great little investigation. I think your theory holds water. It sucks to cut good assets that work has been put into, especially since their pipeline had them modeling and rendering all this stuff offline in order to make the image. Offline rendering in Max was awful back then. Between the time to concept, get reference(which was much harder then), model, render, and implement.... I'd guess the cost for one of those wonders was around $4,000-5,000. So cutting one to make a new one would have cost double that, at least. Possibly more if you account for the man hours to meet and debate what to do with it.
Anguel Roumenov Bogoev I'm no artist but model and render? Why bother modelling a 2d image?
@@OrcinusDrake The graphics of AoE2 are sprites of prerendered 3d models.
I assumed they made a cathedral with identical towers because that makes it easy to copy-paste the first
Not watched any yet, but is amazing how SOTL has 39.000 views when this has 5.600 views. I Am sure both guys have amazing video, because imma watch them both. Lovely how the overall popularity at AOC has grown these couple of years, love it. Keep up the good Work Zak, can't wait till our 1v1's bby :*
People going to realise these are worth watching soon enough 11 - yeah you’re going down dobbs
When the title says "Mystery Solved!" and the solution is complete speculation...
It's just a theory, an age theory.
I never doubted you, Zak!!
Thanks, awesome video!
Nice one bruh!!
If anyone actually had the skills, I would say a mod restoring Aachen to the French and giving the Britons a proper cathedral - Canterbury, Old St. Paul's, Westminster Abbey, even St. Patrick's in Dublin - would be awesome!
Holy Khan Canterbury, Westminster or Yorkminster would be my options. Or maybe Ely for a more typical stocky cathedral if the name recognition is less important.
David None The Franks created the Kingdom of Francia though (of which Charlemagne was the King) which is a direct political ancestor to the Kingdom of France. The Holy Roman Empire was the other main successor, but that was basically the german-speaking bits.
So in game, we get the Franks represent the ones who stayed around Gaul (modern day France), and the Teutons representing the german speaking areas outside of Gaul.
The Franks pioneered the concept of European heavy cavalry during the early Holy Roman Empire, and passed this on to their successors when they became known as France, so the French heavy cavalry is directly descended from Frankish innovations. It does make sense, although they threw insome of the early Frankish infantry tactics with throwing axemen.
BUT THAT'S JUST A THEORY, AN EMPIRES THEORY
I don't understand why they even made that wonder for the goths in the first place if it didn't fit them at all and had to be replaced later. That doesn't really make sense.
what a wonderful video! ^^
I foken lurv these mysteries you keep on unpacking.
now solve the mystery how ZE and SotL drop a video each about the same topic inbetween 10 min!
uhm. the gothic architecture type came up waaay after the goths already disappeared. It's often confused
Wow, this video was dope!
The Goth should have been the Slavs and it would made all sense, in the Genghis Khan and Barbarossa campaigns the Goth fraction is used to present Russia and Poland, them having the Prague wonder would have made total sense if the Goths were Slavs instead. The Goths dont make sense at all in the vanilla version until the Attila campaign came with the expansion. Maybe they wanted the Goths originally to be Slavs but scrapped it for unknown reason, or they still wanted the Goths to represent Slavs even in the World Wonder by simple giving the excuse that the Architecture indeed looks Gothic
So they chose to misuse 2 wonders instead of 1?
I thought Archan and many other gothic cathedrals were created by the same architect? (and I think he was British) Or Am I getting the wrong era all together? His name is Wren or ren or something like that, he built/designed places like Hampton Court, St Pauls and influenced loads of european archtects in chruches/buildings. Basically, thats why Britain has so much influence as they basically built modern europe.
One problem why did nobody in later expansions fix this issue by making a new wonder for Britons
Ha! A splendid sight!
5:08 - Serves them right. We waited too long for a new Age of Empires and they didn't do anything good up until now.
Is he truly back!
Zack is back!
He hit the sack!
It's been too long, I'm glad, that he's back.
Between streaming and making pure youtube videos you must be working on aoe2 all day 11
20 years ago? lol, all the devs are dead already, we will never know the truth
good joke and same time sad that you think life is that short
lol never saw that one
Tempires "but how can it be a joke... if he believes it?" - Jaden Smith
who thinks aachen cathedral needs to be replaced with something from England, Wales or Brittany
WONDERful
So are the video commentaries and uploads gone from youtube for good? Is twitch the only medium now. Asking as someone who only uses youtube
I am going to figure out a solution to this, as I don't want loads of match commentaries spamming the channel but I do obviously do commentaries on twitch. Have you tried watching the VODs on twitch? They recently updated their service so vods are much better.
Maybe I'll give it a try, anyway keep up the great videos :)
Great Video 10/10
Great explanation. I wonder (haha) if it will be fixed in AoE2 DE.
If only there was a Bohemian civilsation
Good, man
Makes sense
Saint Paul's cathedral is too modern to have been in AOE2 - it was built in the 17th Century.
DrearyPlane8 St paul is rebuilding after getting fire since the great fire London.
There was a previous St Paul's Cathedral that burned down in the Great London Fire of 1666
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upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0a/St_Paul%27s_old._From_Francis_Bond%2C_Early_Christian_Architecture._Last_book_1913..jpg
www.explore-stpauls.net/oct03/images/movieimg/OldStPauls01.jpg
c8.alamy.com/comp/D8EW2K/old-st-pauls-cathedral-london-england-destroyed-by-fire-in-1666-from-D8EW2K.jpg
Adam Baker Forgot about St. Paul's 1.0. It looks good but it's shape wouldn't fit into a square wonder hitbox so it couldn't be a wonder.
I wonder what other cathedral from England, Wales or Brittany would have made an ideal replacement for the British Wonder. In another video I have mentioned La Cathedrale Saint-Tugdual in Tréguier, Brittany.
Very nice very very nice
Make sense
mystery solved... damn, they are so lazy or cheap. If i was the manager of the project, i would like to design a new one. Anyway, it doesnt matter at all lol. Greetings! :D
anyone working at microsoft at the time care to comment?
Gg
Second
fuck you. I'm third now.
a less than ideal video, as always, to say the least