Cloud Platformer Multiplayer Fun! 🔥 All Achievements revealed

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  • Опубліковано 30 лис 2024

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  • @Wungle_bungle123
    @Wungle_bungle123 Рік тому +164

    Now I’ve seen some AMAZING scratch projects, but I swear the stuff you make seems like it’s made in an actual proper game engine. You are such a talented game creator and I love what you do. I congratulate you for 10 years of success for your multiplayer game and hope it continues to gain good publicity like it should. Keep up the good work, my friend! 💙💙💙

    • @griffpatch
      @griffpatch  Рік тому +32

      Wow, thanks!

    • @knowledgewhizz4010
      @knowledgewhizz4010 Рік тому +6

      It's April fool

    • @YourShadowFE
      @YourShadowFE Рік тому +5

      @@knowledgewhizz4010 Imagine he said that it is his game and then say april fool XD

    • @Ohre41
      @Ohre41 Рік тому +3

      @@knowledgewhizz4010 no it isn't I have played this game

    • @TakingCareOfTheArea
      @TakingCareOfTheArea Рік тому +2

      @@griffpatch HAPPY APRIL FOOLS!

  • @FunnyAnimatorJimTV
    @FunnyAnimatorJimTV Рік тому +96

    I can't imagine how much fun this must have been when it came out in like 2013

    • @dicedrice734
      @dicedrice734 Рік тому +2

      Hi again!

    • @paul_cochrane
      @paul_cochrane 10 місяців тому +1

      the GOAT of scratch animations

    • @TubeLogan2013
      @TubeLogan2013 3 місяці тому

      No it didn’t?

    • @Evervlox
      @Evervlox 3 місяці тому

      @@TubeLogan2013it did, he said its 10 years old in the video

    • @rapolaspreiksaitis711
      @rapolaspreiksaitis711 3 місяці тому

      IT WAS A LOT OF FUN IN LIKE 2018, when i first played it!!

  • @headoffgun
    @headoffgun Рік тому +86

    You are very talented with programming!
    Edit: what the… this was a basic comment and it gained 71 likes?? thank y’all so much!❤

  • @Meso.Botamia
    @Meso.Botamia Рік тому +15

    Normally i don't watch a 25+ minutes long videos, but man this video is more than fun!

  • @arcadebee6105
    @arcadebee6105 Рік тому +6

    My favorite part was when he said "it's minion time" and minioned all over the place.
    Also I had never played this game, but your video hooked me. You are a professional programmer!

  • @hihowareyou114
    @hihowareyou114 Рік тому +21

    Some tips to get the Planetary explorer achievement a bit more efficient: Go into space as a vertically confused snail, maybe as a Mega Rainbow toad by jumping onto the roof of the Flappy station, as a Blue Butterfly, as a Giant Gravity pig, as a Fish and as a Blue Mega Jetpack.

    • @griffpatch
      @griffpatch  Рік тому +8

      Yes, any method will work! :) - I often use the gravity pig because of their quick ascent

  • @eboatwright_
    @eboatwright_ Рік тому +6

    I played your games so much as a kid! Cloud Multiplayer Platformer, Scratcharia, and Paper Minecraft were my favorites :D

  • @xwarrior7290
    @xwarrior7290 Рік тому +3

    I didn’t really realize it, but it’s the mysterious case of Benjamin Button, because you’re smaller than when you started! (FYI Benjamin Button became younger as he aged ex. looking 17 but being 70.)

  • @xRoxxanne
    @xRoxxanne Рік тому +2

    Always admired this game, and we have a achievement tutorial! 😆 Definitely will try to achive all. Thank you so much!
    (I have always admired how you ask your subscribers for feedback to improve your videos)
    Keep up the coding-ful, amazing, wonderful, work, griffpatch!
    Thanks.

  • @felixleiter5362
    @felixleiter5362 Рік тому +4

    That game is awesome!!! I played it a lot with my friends during covid-times. Thank you for this game, Griffpatch!!!

    • @griffpatch
      @griffpatch  Рік тому +2

      No problem! Glad you enjoyed it :)

  • @hihowareyou114
    @hihowareyou114 Рік тому +7

    To get to the Pony station pretty fast from spawn, go a bit away from the left platform next to the pony walls and wall jump at the right edge of the platform and move a bit back and then forward again. You are at the left platform before pony station without going around it and the rest is easy.

  • @Dan_63
    @Dan_63 Рік тому +15

    You are so talented for making games!!! I would never think a game this AWESOME would be made in Scratch!

  • @arkmusic8948
    @arkmusic8948 Рік тому +8

    You are by far the greatest scratcher and you always will be ❤

  • @kamrunahar-85
    @kamrunahar-85 Рік тому +5

    I never skip your videos🎉, it's really funny watching you programming in scratch!

  • @Resseguie
    @Resseguie Рік тому +4

    Ok, I have to admit that I hadn't even seen this game before. But I still loved the video (and the concept). I'll have to go have a look and see your approach to things like saving state, etc.

  • @hihowareyou114
    @hihowareyou114 Рік тому +15

    13:58 you can get the Mega Rainbow Toad also pretty easily if you go a bit more back where you were in this video, then aim straight left (at the lowest position possible) and with maximum power, catapult away. You should end up landing on a platform somewhere nearby the Nyan Cat station and then you should be falling down instantly and landing on another platform where you can jump beyond the gravity pig station easily. I found this out three days ago and it should work very often. And at 25:25 you can jump as a T-Rex or as a normal pony onto the second small platform before jetpack station if you jump from the highest and closest bottom spot. Then you can go the reversed way to go upwards up to the Mini station.

  • @griffpatch
    @griffpatch  Рік тому +24

    IF YOU ENJOYED THIS VIDEO - MAKE SURE TO HIT THE 👍LIKE button - and subscribe to the channel :) - Let me know if you'd like to see more videos like this as well as my tutorials

    • @funzone4666
      @funzone4666 Рік тому

      Okay!

    • @nanoanimate360
      @nanoanimate360 8 місяців тому

      pls tuotoruial

    • @Catslovespace
      @Catslovespace 7 місяців тому

      Can you give us a tutorial?

    • @ArshadAli-k4s3n
      @ArshadAli-k4s3n 3 місяці тому

      Can you give a minigame? when you become a toad give a minigame that to eat 15 flies?

    • @ionkunzite
      @ionkunzite Місяць тому

      how do u make the chat

  • @iamnotmcm
    @iamnotmcm Рік тому

    you have no idea how long i'd play this game when i was younger, and seeing how it's grown over the years... I might not be as deep into the scratch community as I used to be, but seeing how this game has been updated makes me happy

  • @horsefle
    @horsefle Рік тому

    I am SO very glad that this is not an April fools joke, or at least you're very good at making one!

  • @NebulaGamerYT
    @NebulaGamerYT Рік тому +1

    When I played with you, their were only 96 achievements! Thanks for everything you do griffpatch! I really appreciate all the fun games you've made! Peace!

  • @Smash551
    @Smash551 Рік тому +1

    Omg!!!!! I Have Been Waiting For This Video Since I Don't Know How Long!

  • @CoolScratcher
    @CoolScratcher Рік тому +2

    I just noticed the recent uptick in quality of griffpatch videos. Very good job!

  • @CH33S3BURGUR
    @CH33S3BURGUR Рік тому +2

    Hi! You are such a talented programmer and this is an amazing project and it’s inspiring that you’re still updating it after 10 years! Keep up the great work!
    Edit :
    I am currently 12 years old and have followed a few of your tutorials including fully completing the Mario game. I have also added much more to this including pipe warping and a world record time counter.

  • @WildC47
    @WildC47 Рік тому +3

    Cool! + Can't wait for RPG E11!
    Edit: Also it would be AWSOME to UPDATE Paper Minecraft to the new 1.20 one! (I know it would take a very long time)

  • @brendenistired
    @brendenistired Рік тому +5

    Day 7 of asking for moving platforms and wall jumping in the tile scrolling platformer series.

  • @stephs5064
    @stephs5064 Рік тому +1

    Thank you so much for the video! You make amazing games and helpful videos! Thanks to this, I got all 100 of the achievements!! 🥳🎉

  • @logannicholls-s8f
    @logannicholls-s8f Рік тому +1

    Omg I just joined the scratch community and i love this game and griffpatch is an amazing coder

  • @amylove4561
    @amylove4561 Рік тому +2

    Just imagine what it'd be like if when you got ALL the achievements, you can change into ANY form at ANY time!!! IT WOULD BE AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @katipsy
    @katipsy Рік тому +1

    Wow! Multiplayer platformsers in block code! And I can’t believe there is 100 achievements! Great vid as always griff!

  • @shilpakhadela8856
    @shilpakhadela8856 Рік тому

    Hey griffpatch! It’s me again…
    I found a bug in your Geometry Dash v1.5:
    When you press ‘P’ the music will stop, but when you press ‘P’ again… The music doesn’t start from where it should, it starts from the beginning!😮
    I have a solution:
    1. Place 2 ‘if key () pressed’ hatblocks.
    2. Assign one of them any key you like. This will be the pause button
    3. Assign the other one another key you like. This will be the resume music button
    4. Go to the pause button script and under it put ‘set pitch to (-1 / empty value)’ and ‘set volume to 0’
    5. Go to the resume music script and under it put ‘set pitch to 0’ and ‘set volume to 100%’
    This should fix it!
    Anyways, thanks for the amazing tutorials, amazing vids, and good work!
    Keep it up ❤

  • @skentt
    @skentt Місяць тому

    17:55 it’s called that because the movie The Curious Case of Benjamin BUTTON is about a man who ages in reverse, getting ‘smaller’ before birth.

  • @blindingeye9182
    @blindingeye9182 Рік тому

    when I first saw one of your multiplayer games i was actually shocked, its incredible how you have been able to make that!

  • @crovat5218
    @crovat5218 Рік тому +3

    You can almost smell the hundreds of hours of playtesting in this man's skills.

  • @mysa007krk9
    @mysa007krk9 Рік тому +1

    can't wait to watch ! New videos are always fun!

  • @german.1985
    @german.1985 Рік тому

    This is a very rare occurrence of a youtuber actually becoming better and nicer throughout the years

  • @Fateh_the_genius
    @Fateh_the_genius Рік тому

    I was really waiting for the next scratch RPG vid but this came out. I do love your games and I followed all the tutorials you ever made in your channel. Thanks for all the tutorials! I wouldn’t have been able to make games without you.

  • @PurpleDudester
    @PurpleDudester Рік тому +1

    Also, it’s called the curious case of Benjamin salmon in a reference to “the curious case of Benjamin button” who ages backwards from elderly to baby.

  • @Mamxt
    @Mamxt Рік тому +1

    I thought for 2 hours how did u make this. Note i still dont know how.
    900 likes only!? This is so underated.Smash that like button!

  • @radiocars
    @radiocars Рік тому

    Nothing is stopping this guy to leave scratch and go to a place where he can actually make money, but instead he is being a good role model for scratchers and post tutorials.

  • @ZaeNonQ
    @ZaeNonQ Рік тому

    Im back on scratch and seeing you make games like these keeps motivating me, keep up the content :)

  • @BitBoing
    @BitBoing Рік тому

    Hello Griffpatch, I have some comments or tips for your game.
    First one is that you should add much more SFX such as music because music makes the games more exciting. The second one is that you should add effects on the booths and on the jetpack, on the one of the booths you should add like little bubbles that cover the entire costume and when it is fully covered it should change to the next costume. To finish you should add some bubble effects on the jetpack simulating smoke. Keep it up!

  • @AsmusBasmus
    @AsmusBasmus Рік тому

    Let's go! I love your old platformer videos so I'm excited to watch this one

  • @debilitykheops
    @debilitykheops Рік тому +1

    YESSSSSSS! I love this game but I never managed to finish it! Thanks a lot griffpatch.

  • @jeze1lle
    @jeze1lle Рік тому

    I dont know how ur arent more famous! YOUR WORK IS SOOOO AWESOME!

  • @BombasticTom492
    @BombasticTom492 Рік тому

    i gotta say you've improved so much as a youtuber in the period of 3 years!

  • @casgun_productions
    @casgun_productions 9 днів тому

    Griffpatch always fails to make us bored and I'm happy about that

  • @duckowithawhat-o1390
    @duckowithawhat-o1390 Рік тому

    Nice video Griffpatch! I can't wait to see what you post next!

  • @deandreiscorner9908
    @deandreiscorner9908 Рік тому

    Congratulations On Your Game! This Was A Very Cool UA-cam Channel!

  • @x3x7_78
    @x3x7_78 Рік тому +1

    You should make a series on modding your 3d laser tag game like damage, map color, small gameplay configurations, and maybe adding a 3d sprite that if you touch it then it gives you health

  • @gneu1527
    @gneu1527 Рік тому

    Scratch is so fun to programm in, playtest, and play other creations. And it's pretty cool how you can make multiplayer games.

  • @NebulaGamerYT
    @NebulaGamerYT Рік тому

    I actually played with you griffpatch! I am tacoschratcher! I posted a video on how I played with you, and I also took a screenshot of me playing with you, and posted it on my scratch profile.

  • @I_am_asparagus8126
    @I_am_asparagus8126 Рік тому

    I love how the person whom griffpatch let up to the Jetpack station knew it was the actual griffpatch and followed him around

  • @jasperprows8220
    @jasperprows8220 Рік тому +1

    The small flying fish is from the movie The Mysterious Case of Benjamin Button which is about a person who ages backwards in time

  • @mrheyduggy2849
    @mrheyduggy2849 Рік тому

    thanks for doing this!! its really helped me find all the stations!! keep up the great work!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @technoepic0
    @technoepic0 Рік тому

    (am i writing this? oh well i thought to get the nether explorer i had to fly past the jetpack minigame for new land.) I'm going to make an entertaining comment. Here it comes:
    --Intro--
    I remember playing this game in 2022 and helping ppl get the rainbow pony-kat-chu. Now i see these players straightly having fun while helping eachother. I wanna merch out of this btw.
    --Newbie Guide--
    Here's some guide for new players:
    Do not try the Chick Run, Daisy Run and the Caterpillara run. The one you should do first is the pony-kat-chu run. Do not go for the hardest achievements. Go for the easier ones, and discover new stations while doing so. Yeah i know, only 2 tips but i'm going to make a iceberg on this. Stay tuned! I'll make an edit soon with the project link.

  • @mrbrast3
    @mrbrast3 Рік тому +1

    The chick is from your game chick run haha 🙌✊️

  • @XpertEngineer12
    @XpertEngineer12 Рік тому

    Did you realize that that helmet looks like the Among Us. Otherwise, you are the BEST coder on scratch and you make the best scratch tutorials to help others too.

  • @joelamaster7200
    @joelamaster7200 Рік тому

    Haven't watched yet, but I know it's gonna be great! I would like you to make a tutorial on your procedural terrain generation and lighting as soon as you can. The lighting is the only part that I struggle with.

  • @AdrianBrach-x8y
    @AdrianBrach-x8y 11 місяців тому

    Finally we know the secrets but no one seems to play this game anymore, we need a new multiplayer game that can be played for years to come! If there is any scratcher out there which is able to build such game, pls do.

  • @ytuser261
    @ytuser261 Рік тому +1

    LOL amogushelmet, nice programming!

  • @DoxxTheMathGeek
    @DoxxTheMathGeek Рік тому

    Really nice!
    That's just like you said not what I expectet.

  • @himynameishimynameis
    @himynameishimynameis Рік тому

    I think i might have an idea on how to make different levels on raycasting with scratch, perhaps adjusting the height variable? using the same technique as we used for the textures, perhaps we could do the same but with adjusting the height variable instead of costumes. I'm not so sure on how we could add the collision, perhaps its possible to adjust the walls down? It's weird to think about yet fun! if you find a way to do so, please let the scratch community know! this could revolutionize scratch forever! And allow proper games like portal and instead of using 2D images we could create our own models! I'm talking about PROFESSIONAL GAMES, like portal! Or possibly even something bigger! Like Five Nights a Freddy's Security Breach! The possibilities are endless! We just need someone to spread the word to others and possibly add new mechanics! I mean, you are pretty much the only Java Coder on scratch, and with the help of people like Warfame, Coltrox and all the others, this could make scratch way better! Sorry for taking your time, you are awesome and i love every single one of you video's! Stay Absolutely Awesome! Thanks!

  • @fakeisnothing6384
    @fakeisnothing6384 Рік тому

    hey griffpatch! i have a fun idea for you, a grid map where you click a square and then your player will find the quickest path for it. now im sure that could be found out easy for you so how about this? an arrow that goes from your player to your mouse and twists and turns based on the path the person is gonna take. think of it kinda like fire emblem.

  • @gstudioofficial796
    @gstudioofficial796 Рік тому +2

    Nice video!

  • @FraudFord
    @FraudFord Рік тому

    I love your content! I told my friends about you too! thank you for uploading!

  • @LeoDaBest0999
    @LeoDaBest0999 Рік тому +2

    🔥🔥U R DA BEST!!!🔥🔥

  • @shawrm28
    @shawrm28 Рік тому +1

    Please make more gameplay videos like this. I enjoyed it.

    • @griffpatch
      @griffpatch  Рік тому +1

      Oh thank you :) - Make sure to "like" the vid thanks!!!

  • @Aayaan_X
    @Aayaan_X Рік тому

    GriffPatch! Can you add some funny or eastar eggs from other games? Btw cool video

  • @FrickRolledLoL
    @FrickRolledLoL Рік тому

    Thanks for the tutorial! Now I can possibly speedrun. Also, your games are great!

  • @angelpenarolo7408
    @angelpenarolo7408 Рік тому

    me and my friend didnt have any other games during quarantine, so we played this game every day. its fun.

  • @Speed-TV
    @Speed-TV Рік тому

    It's nice to see a fun video that isn't a tutorial every once and a while!

  • @JayClash
    @JayClash Рік тому

    Your projects are absolutely incredible, keep up the great work!

  • @ChefShooba
    @ChefShooba Рік тому +2

    How did you get so good? Everyone must be so excited to see Griffpatch in their game lol

  • @fire_shadow1832
    @fire_shadow1832 Рік тому

    I've watched the whole video and I enjoyed watching it so much!!

  • @1080GBA
    @1080GBA Рік тому +2

    Hi griffpatch your videos are awesome

  • @trystancrowther
    @trystancrowther Рік тому

    The curious case of Benjamin Salmon is for leaving the water as flying fish, and coming back as a tiny flying fish. It's based off of the story, "The Curious Case of Benjamin Button," about a boy who aged backwards. (Born an old man and died a baby.)

  • @pearpear43
    @pearpear43 Рік тому

    This is such an amazing game to be built in scratch! It has the perfect setup for scratch and it allows people to play with each other in a friendly environment.
    I have just one question though: can you make a 6th video to your cloud variable game series to show how to add things like collectables and how to encode other things like different positions?

  • @gug-studios
    @gug-studios Рік тому

    I would LOVE to see you make a tutorial on how to code a working Continent Detector in Scratch and also, Good videos! 😁

  • @palmossi
    @palmossi Рік тому +1

    Thanks! It really helped!

  • @NecaneX1
    @NecaneX1 Рік тому

    Griffpatch, you are really amazing Scratcher bcz you are the best Scratcher that im ever seen! :)

  • @wolfensponge_fan
    @wolfensponge_fan Рік тому

    I'd love to see a sequal to this game with like more worlds, environments and updated models! I cant get ahold of all this joy in this game, I need more of it!

  • @brianmiclette
    @brianmiclette Рік тому

    No music on the original, but a recent remix of your legendary project features the HeatleyBros tracks you used for this video!

  • @djazzmin1
    @djazzmin1 Рік тому

    A snail always land on their feet- griffpatch 2023
    Much respect to this very big game

  • @kaijoswilman
    @kaijoswilman Рік тому

    I don't know if you're seeing this Griffpatch, but I would love to learn how to make an RTS game on Scratch one day.

  • @gunthegoldminer8119
    @gunthegoldminer8119 Рік тому

    Could you make an rpg tutorial in my style? It's a big complex so if you do make a tutorial on it yen it may take a few episodes. So I don't expect you to do it
    So when you start the game you are in the menu screen. It has 2 buttons, play and load. Play basically just starts from the beginning. Once you play you are in the main section of the game with multiple buttons. Inventory, shop, save and events.. once you click the right arrow key then it brings you to the battles. It's a 4x4 screen and there's a max of 16 battles in this section. The very last battle you have to beat every single other battle in this section to fight the boss. And once you beat the boss you unlock he next section which is even more battles. There can be multiple battle sections and at the end of all those sections there's a credits screen or an end screen which tells you the credits and stuff. You only unlock this after fighting the final boss. Each boss will give different amount of rewards like XP, gold, weapons or armor. You can press left or right arrows to switch through different sections.
    Inventory: whenever you unlock a new weapon or armor it goes into your inventory. Whenever you want to delete anything you click on the weapon and click delete. It warns you if you wanna delete it just to make sure you deleted the right thing. Also there are 3 sections of inventory. Weapons, armor and abilities. You can have 1 of each kind equipped. And finally, there's a back button to exit the inventory. This is for every sub section.
    Shop: there are 3 different sections. Weapons, armor and abilities. You will get rewarded with weapons and armor by fighting enemies but you can also buy unique weapons that deals different amount of attack. Or armor and abilities.
    Save: gives u a code to load to this exact moment once you play this game again.
    Events: every time it rolls around a certain time of the year, there can be an event battle that only happens that time of year and it drops special weapons and armor and abilities that you can only get from that battle.
    Battles: it's an Undertale style battle where it's the enemies turn and then your turn. You can choose to either heal by using food or just to attack. There doesn't need to be a box but if you wanna code it In then you can. Each enemy has its own unique attacks or it could borrow some attacks from previous enemies.
    Abilities: abilities can do a variety of things. It can either damage the opponent every 5 seconds while its their turn, it can heal 10% your health back whenever it's your turn, it can give 10% damage boost to you, it can heal you 3% more health every 10 seconds it's the enemies turn, or it could combine multiple abilities like 10% dmg boost and 10% heal whenever your turn. Or could be 3 or 4 combinations.
    So yeah, unlikely you will actually make a tutorial but it makes for a good concept.

  • @obseletechannel
    @obseletechannel Рік тому

    I hope we can work on the Tile scrolling platformer, because I think the gimmick where you can't go back in Super mario bros would add up!

  • @nathanwongchinrenntps2403
    @nathanwongchinrenntps2403 Рік тому

    There is another way to get the fish and it’s an Easter egg. Get the toad, then go into water. You can breathe. Then, jump to the fish. This is quite hard to bring the toad but it is worth it

  • @JTWMoo
    @JTWMoo Рік тому

    I got ALL 100 achievements! So fun! Thanks a lot!

  • @rascalsimpson8226
    @rascalsimpson8226 Рік тому

    man, this is a quinine video. and a good one too! he wasn't fooling us!

  • @EirPlen
    @EirPlen Рік тому

    3:00 my man looking very dapper in his helmet

  • @LEEYUNXIMoe
    @LEEYUNXIMoe Рік тому

    The hungry caterpillar images (the food and the caterpillar) are the same as a book I had when I was young.

  • @startFX
    @startFX Рік тому +1

    I'm gonna speedrun this game real quick

  • @hassunaama2
    @hassunaama2 Рік тому +1

    The ending song is: "Challenge Accepted!" by "HeatleyBros"

    • @griffpatch
      @griffpatch  Рік тому

      Yes it is. In fact all the music is by them :)

  • @alexdacat7052
    @alexdacat7052 Рік тому +1

    you should be able to switch to a powerup that you've gotten the rainbow version of using some menu

    • @griffpatch
      @griffpatch  Рік тому +1

      I have considered this :) - Using the hats

  • @Tnac9
    @Tnac9 Рік тому +1

    The players didn't know...... They were playing with Griffpatch himself!

  • @squaxo
    @squaxo Рік тому

    Nice video! Do you have any plans for the Spider Cat Devlogs?

  • @aryag4684
    @aryag4684 Рік тому

    If you lose your time in chick form, there is a glitch so you can still get the seeds and achievement in normal mode

  • @VikyathTirumala-v9o
    @VikyathTirumala-v9o Рік тому

    scratch is the best you can really see your creativity spark

  • @LakkzScratch
    @LakkzScratch Рік тому

    Nice vid, and also...
    I know that this is completely unrelated but, about a year ago you said that we shouldn't ask for a custom generation tutorial. I wouldn't say its about time for that but I really need it. I know that takes a lot of work, especially to make into a tutorial for children to understand. I tried to find other youtubers that show how to do it, but you make your games customizable.
    Please, I will become a member, I've been planning to become one for months.
    *sorry if this comment has annoyed you, I just need a tutorial badly*

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    @pessskychaos4874 Рік тому

    17:46 Hah! I get that one! Nice naming :)