I got fitted for i210s mid last year. This has been my first full season with them and they've knocked several points off my handicap. I went from an 11.2 last year to a 6.5 currently. I absolutely LOVE them. Great video, guys!
Mate, I'm also totally enraptured with how much I've improved by using i210s. I've gone from 15.3 to 8.9 in six months. Never been in single figures until this year after 35 years of trying
@@kennymacm3031 wow they really that good? How have they helped, would you say it's with the extra distance you've achieved with these or is it more the help with miss hits?
Awesome vid guys, just enough data & layman’s language explainations. I’ve got a fitting with the Ping Rep next week (Qld, Oz) so this vid has been utterly invaluable and very insightful and exactly the sort of comparative data I’ve been looking for all over the bloody internet and couldn’t find!! And then your vid popped up via UA-cam algorithm! Perfect! I’m definitely in the G425 or G710 capability based on your vid so that will assist in the fitting.
What I find interesting is just how similar the data between certain clubs is. The i59 & i210s produces almost identical data with the i59 spinning a little less but compensating with a higher peak height and descent angle - but I suspect that with a larger data set and statistical significance analysis the differences would almost disappear. Same is true for the G425 & G710, there is almost nothing to separate them. If anything the Blueprint is the disappointing club, it should be very similar to the i59 but is not - maybe it makes up for it with more consistency. The oddity in the data is the i500, which may be why it is due to be replaced, on the data it is not similar to the player clubs or the game improvement clubs but roughly half way between. The data for the i59 compared to competition is also very interesting, the i59 spins a lot more than the competition, launches high and has a slightly steeper descent angle - should mean the i59 is more likely to hold the green, although in fairness to PXG their 7i is about half a club stronger, goes a full club longer and if you were able to do a comparison between PXG and i59 at the same lofts I suspect the descent angle and peak height would be identical but i59 would still spin more by maybe 300-400 rpm - those extra grooves maybe?
Thanks for the input Justin. Yes possibly on the extra grooves. If we get time we're interested in doing a full set test against similar lofted irons to see if there's more spin in the longer and shorter irons too, then we could rule in or out the extra grooves. As we mentioned in the video Callaway offer their tour players the choice of either standard face grooves or more and the split is pretty even between the two, so there's benefits and trade-off's for both set-ups.
Very nice review guys! I currently play Blueprints (aspirational purchase ...) and while I love the look and feel of them, could use a little assistance on those days where my swing isn't 100%. I've always felt I could "aim" better with blade-like irons, so dropping down to i59's seems like a good option!
@@slashnagy6 right? I play college golf and I use blueprints; couldnt ask for a better iron. they’re one of the most forgiving blades ever; so the fact that he can’t use them means something it is what it is. I love ‘em!
Been playing a little over a year and half. Was hitting Nike VR pros until a few weeks ago. Got fitted and am now playing the i59s. Typically scoring around 80 and by year end goal is to hit Par
Hi guys … thanks so much for the videos and reviews. I’m very interested in the g425 but I’m a little confused. I saw carry distance #’s that vary from 175( in the chart in your “ irons of 2021”)… but in that same report you put a link on for a review on the 425 and the carry distance was 188. That’s quite a difference. Then in the video here comparing all ping irons the carry was 183 So 175.. 183 and 188 Please clarify as I’m really interested in the approx distance that this iron gave you. Thank you!!
Hi Vern, thanks for the question, and thanks the feedback. We've said it a few times before that data is only really relevant on the day it's created. There is always a difference in data when comparing data from different tests. And no matter what you test, comeback another day and the numbers will be slightly different. The tests we've done on the G425 have been spread out across 12 months. During that time, we've tested with different golf balls, in very different temperatures and Neil has been speed training during the same period too. Obviously that means there will be a variance comparing with data from one day to another. From what we've seen and had feedback on (from the industry) is that testing all the same products within any given test on the same day is what's important. Then overtime we can look for trends. Like, how Ping's G425 Max driver hasn't quite been the longest or fastest driver we've tested for two years running, but on each occasion it has produced the smallest carry distance drop-off, so it's super forgiving. Hope that helps?
Jist ordered a set of i210 modus 3pro 1+ 2up , stiff. Additionally, have Mizuno mp52 with s300 DG -1 and currently playing taylormade m2. I’m a good ball striker but the mp52 are straight but elevated greens are difficult to get the exact yardage. The m2 is good for strength shots only ( i enjoy moving the ball). The i210 was recommended by my coach. My concern is the Modus shaft, 2up and +1. It was a great deal so i jumped on them. What should i expect from the none standard lie and length. Thank you.
We need an updated version with the I230 I525 and the G430. I play the G425 love them PW to 6 iron then testing the new ping Icrossover to be adjusted for a 5 or 4 iron this lets me add another wedge or a high flying high descent 7 or 9 wood I will be looking at the G430s for that.
Great review! What I can’t make sense is i210 at 33 deg gets 171 distance, i500 at 30.5 gets 177 then at 0.5 stronger i425 gets 183. I would imagine more out of the i500. Any comments?
Thanks for the feedback Danilo, really appreciate it. There's quite a few factors that are different between the i210, i500 and G425. i500 was Ping's first hollow body (and remember hollow bodies typically up launch a little), the iron has a forged face (C300) where the others are cast (G425 from 17-4 SS where the i210 is 431 SS). Unfortunately it's not quite as simple as comparing apples to apples.
Hi Mike, we were testing both models against every other iron within the Players' Distance Iron category last week. We have a i525 review page on our website (link below) www.todaysgolfer.co.uk/equipment/golf-clubs/irons/ping/i525/ping-i525-irons/ This will be updated with a data sheet for the whole category hopefully next week and we'll shoot video in March. Hope that helps?
Have a ping fitting at Gainsborough on 1st September been advised the i500 can no longer be ordered. Be interesting to see if there fitting i59 yet. Still think I’m likely to get i210 as I’m of 6.5 but want forgiveness and price. Great overview of Ping
Thanks for the input. There is forgiveness information for each of these irons (with exception of the new i59) in our Best of 2021 iron video's. As we tested for, and filmed this video on the same day there wasn't quite enough time to work out the dispersion or drop-off information.
Great video. I've been waiting for i210 replacements for a while and would like to compare these with the i59 and i500. Do you know if/when the i210 replacement will be released?
@@jasonkennedy5477 correct it is a true replacement for the I-blade - but from an actual source at Ping (earlier this summer) this will also technically replace the 210 as well.
Thanks for the feedback Martin really appreciate it. The i59 are an iBlade replacement. We have no information from Ping on an i210 replacement, but it's highly unlikely based on the success of the i210 (at £126 a stick in steel shafts) that it would ever be replaced by a £239 a stick i59 - that's a £791 difference for a 7-piece set. The type of player who would buy either is two very different consumers. We mentioned in the video that i59 is not an i500 replacement, it's not and the loft tells that story, what it does do is showcase how far players' iron have come over the last 5-years. An i500 replacement is likely at some point next year, but with so many component shortages in golf right now nobody is quite sure when (it's already been pushed back twice from this year). Hope that helps.
Really appreciate the comparative comments. I now have some difficulties understanding why the pros chose to use "difficult" clubs - what's the advantage for pros?
It's because some pro's (not all) like to see, or are most comfortable seeing a shape to their shots Ian. Shorter blade length muscle backs are easier to 'work' and 'shape' at will, as the centre of gravity is closer to the shaft (they're the lowest MOI models). The pro's that like shot making like this, like to be able to think about hitting a draw or fade and it just happens without having to change their swing drastically to hit to left or right pins. Some of the pro's who use this type of iron (Tommy Fleetwood is a great example) will have a stock shot in their bag for a back left flag. And they'll say it's harder to manufacture that with a more forgiving iron. Obviously that's very different iron traits to what most club golfers are wanting. Hope that helps.
I’ve been as low as a 10 handicap, crept back to a 12 last year. Currently playing the older i20s, and was considering going to the i210s. Now I’m also looking at the G425 and the g710 (love the look!). Seeing how similar the numbers are in the chart, I’m confused as to why the G425 is for an estimated 8+ but the g710 are for high handicappers. I like the extra distance they both offer, but as a 10-12 current handicap, would love to hear your thoughts. I want the g710s but feel as if that’s a step in the wrong direction. Will only be purchasing 7-PW, FYI.
Ping see the G710 much more as a distance iron, and typically it's higher handicap players that focus more on distance. The G425 blends distance with forgiveness for a more across the board performance...not sure if that helps? You might struggle to get a fitting on the G710, they're no longer available in the UK, be we are aware there's sets out there in the market place.
Very nice and detailed overview, thanks! One question as when you refer to the handicap levels and suitability of certain clubs, are you referring to WHS levels or the old system?
The i210 are Ping's most played iron on tour Nikolas, you're in good company. They're a great blend of decent looks, feel and a decent sprinkling of forgiveness. What would you like a more 'ambitious' iron to give you that the i210 don't?
I just wanted to know if you think if I would improve my game with a more ambitious club. I’ve seen some taylormade clubs that are great looking or even the ping i59. Thanks
@@todaysgolfer Fair enough. A cb will never have as much thwack as a muscle back. I did note that in the video the i210 was mentioned as Ping’s most popular iron on tour. I’m not surprised. Btw, for context I game Taylormade Tour Preferred T-D blades. PW is 50* 😀
It would of course depend on the player, but that's a possibility for sure. Remember you can Power Spec through the i59 set (so the 7-iron becomes 2deg stronger) if need be.
Love my i500s that I just picked up in the used market. Five years old or not - they are absolutely amazing! 😅 🥳
Ordered my g425's today, all your video's comparing game improvement irons has been a huge help!! keep up the great work!
Thanks for the feedback, appreciate you taking the time.
Best golf club review video Ive ever seen.....
Wow, thanks so much for taking the time to feedback, really appreciate you saying so.
I got fitted for i210s mid last year. This has been my first full season with them and they've knocked several points off my handicap. I went from an 11.2 last year to a 6.5 currently. I absolutely LOVE them. Great video, guys!
Great to hear Drew, thanks for the feedback.
Mate, I'm also totally enraptured with how much I've improved by using i210s. I've gone from 15.3 to 8.9 in six months. Never been in single figures until this year after 35 years of trying
@@kennymacm3031 Thanks for the input, good to hear they're working for you.
@@kennymacm3031 wow they really that good? How have they helped, would you say it's with the extra distance you've achieved with these or is it more the help with miss hits?
I am curious what clubs you guys were hitting with prior to upgrading to the 210?
5:17 Exactly what I was looking for. Thank you.
Glad we could help. We love it when people say those words.
Great review as always, comprehensive and very informative.
Thanks for taking the time to say so Anthony, really appreciate it.
I love that they have retro specs available!!
It's a cracking offering Mike.
Awesome vid guys, just enough data & layman’s language explainations. I’ve got a fitting with the Ping Rep next week (Qld, Oz) so this vid has been utterly invaluable and very insightful and exactly the sort of comparative data I’ve been looking for all over the bloody internet and couldn’t find!! And then your vid popped up via UA-cam algorithm! Perfect! I’m definitely in the G425 or G710 capability based on your vid so that will assist in the fitting.
Thank you so much for taking the time to say so, really appreciate your feedback.
THIS IS A HELPFUL Video, thank you you have solved so many questions I've had forever.
Thanks for taking the time to say so, really appreciate the feedback.
Been waiting for this! Thank you!
Enjoy!
What I find interesting is just how similar the data between certain clubs is. The i59 & i210s produces almost identical data with the i59 spinning a little less but compensating with a higher peak height and descent angle - but I suspect that with a larger data set and statistical significance analysis the differences would almost disappear. Same is true for the G425 & G710, there is almost nothing to separate them. If anything the Blueprint is the disappointing club, it should be very similar to the i59 but is not - maybe it makes up for it with more consistency. The oddity in the data is the i500, which may be why it is due to be replaced, on the data it is not similar to the player clubs or the game improvement clubs but roughly half way between.
The data for the i59 compared to competition is also very interesting, the i59 spins a lot more than the competition, launches high and has a slightly steeper descent angle - should mean the i59 is more likely to hold the green, although in fairness to PXG their 7i is about half a club stronger, goes a full club longer and if you were able to do a comparison between PXG and i59 at the same lofts I suspect the descent angle and peak height would be identical but i59 would still spin more by maybe 300-400 rpm - those extra grooves maybe?
Thanks for the input Justin. Yes possibly on the extra grooves. If we get time we're interested in doing a full set test against similar lofted irons to see if there's more spin in the longer and shorter irons too, then we could rule in or out the extra grooves. As we mentioned in the video Callaway offer their tour players the choice of either standard face grooves or more and the split is pretty even between the two, so there's benefits and trade-off's for both set-ups.
Very nice review guys! I currently play Blueprints (aspirational purchase ...) and while I love the look and feel of them, could use a little assistance on those days where my swing isn't 100%. I've always felt I could "aim" better with blade-like irons, so dropping down to i59's seems like a good option!
Thanks for the feedback Mark, like your honesty on the Blueprint.
Just admit those irons aren’t being used to their full potential and more than 50% of the reasons you bought them are because of looks and status
@@slashnagy6 right? I play college golf and I use blueprints; couldnt ask for a better iron. they’re one of the most forgiving blades ever; so the fact that he can’t use them means something it is what it is. I love ‘em!
Well done lads as per usual 🙏
Thanks so much for saying so, very much appreciated.
Been playing a little over a year and half. Was hitting Nike VR pros until a few weeks ago. Got fitted and am now playing the i59s. Typically scoring around 80 and by year end goal is to hit Par
Sounds like you have your game well under control, enjoy the i59's they're lovely.
The I 210 in pure forged would be amazing. !
I still have the i200, had them years, love them still
Thanks for the input Si.
Nice analysis. Would love to see you do Mizunos irons this way. MP-20; mmc; hmb; jpx forged jpx hot metal.
Thanks Phil, will certainly have a look at when new Mizuno irons become available.
Hi guys … thanks so much for the videos and reviews.
I’m very interested in the g425 but I’m a little confused.
I saw carry distance #’s that vary from 175( in the chart in your “ irons of 2021”)… but in that same report you put a link on for a review on the 425 and the carry distance was 188.
That’s quite a difference.
Then in the video here comparing all ping irons the carry was 183
So 175.. 183 and 188
Please clarify as I’m really interested in the approx distance that this iron gave you.
Thank you!!
Hi Vern, thanks for the question, and thanks the feedback.
We've said it a few times before that data is only really relevant on the day it's created. There is always a difference in data when comparing data from different tests. And no matter what you test, comeback another day and the numbers will be slightly different.
The tests we've done on the G425 have been spread out across 12 months. During that time, we've tested with different golf balls, in very different temperatures and Neil has been speed training during the same period too. Obviously that means there will be a variance comparing with data from one day to another.
From what we've seen and had feedback on (from the industry) is that testing all the same products within any given test on the same day is what's important. Then overtime we can look for trends. Like, how Ping's G425 Max driver hasn't quite been the longest or fastest driver we've tested for two years running, but on each occasion it has produced the smallest carry distance drop-off, so it's super forgiving.
Hope that helps?
Jist ordered a set of i210 modus 3pro 1+ 2up , stiff. Additionally, have Mizuno mp52 with s300 DG -1 and currently playing taylormade m2. I’m a good ball striker but the mp52 are straight but elevated greens are difficult to get the exact yardage. The m2 is good for strength shots only ( i enjoy moving the ball). The i210 was recommended by my coach. My concern is the Modus shaft, 2up and +1. It was a great deal so i jumped on them. What should i expect from the none standard lie and length. Thank you.
We need an updated version with the I230 I525 and the G430. I play the G425 love them PW to 6 iron then testing the new ping Icrossover to be adjusted for a 5 or 4 iron this lets me add another wedge or a high flying high descent 7 or 9 wood I will be looking at the G430s for that.
Once the G430's have launched in Europe we'll have a look at this Brandon. Keep your eyes open in early Jan.
Great review! What I can’t make sense is i210 at 33 deg gets 171 distance, i500 at 30.5 gets 177 then at 0.5 stronger i425 gets 183. I would imagine more out of the i500. Any comments?
Thanks for the feedback Danilo, really appreciate it.
There's quite a few factors that are different between the i210, i500 and G425.
i500 was Ping's first hollow body (and remember hollow bodies typically up launch a little), the iron has a forged face (C300) where the others are cast (G425 from 17-4 SS where the i210 is 431 SS).
Unfortunately it's not quite as simple as comparing apples to apples.
When will you guys be reviewing the new Ping i525 irons? And a comparison with the TaylorMade P790.
Hi Mike, we were testing both models against every other iron within the Players' Distance Iron category last week.
We have a i525 review page on our website (link below)
www.todaysgolfer.co.uk/equipment/golf-clubs/irons/ping/i525/ping-i525-irons/
This will be updated with a data sheet for the whole category hopefully next week and we'll shoot video in March.
Hope that helps?
Have a ping fitting at Gainsborough on 1st September been advised the i500 can no longer be ordered. Be interesting to see if there fitting i59 yet. Still think I’m likely to get i210 as I’m of 6.5 but want forgiveness and price. Great overview of Ping
Thanks for the feedback Kevin.
Ping have started fitting for the i59 today, clubs won't be available until late September though.
So are i 59 to replace the i 500
great review!
Thanks, appreciate the feedback.
Would be great to include some comments on perceived forgiveness in these videos. Perhaps share the dispersion patterns or the like….
Thanks for the input. There is forgiveness information for each of these irons (with exception of the new i59) in our Best of 2021 iron video's.
As we tested for, and filmed this video on the same day there wasn't quite enough time to work out the dispersion or drop-off information.
Great video. I've been waiting for i210 replacements for a while and would like to compare these with the i59 and i500. Do you know if/when the i210 replacement will be released?
the i59 is the replacement for the 210 (supposedly) - and there will not be a replacement for the 500 (supposedly)
I think the i59 is the replacement for the I blade...but I hope there is a replacement for the i210
@@jasonkennedy5477 correct it is a true replacement for the I-blade - but from an actual source at Ping (earlier this summer) this will also technically replace the 210 as well.
Thanks for the feedback Martin really appreciate it. The i59 are an iBlade replacement. We have no information from Ping on an i210 replacement, but it's highly unlikely based on the success of the i210 (at £126 a stick in steel shafts) that it would ever be replaced by a £239 a stick i59 - that's a £791 difference for a 7-piece set. The type of player who would buy either is two very different consumers. We mentioned in the video that i59 is not an i500 replacement, it's not and the loft tells that story, what it does do is showcase how far players' iron have come over the last 5-years.
An i500 replacement is likely at some point next year, but with so many component shortages in golf right now nobody is quite sure when (it's already been pushed back twice from this year).
Hope that helps.
Really appreciate the comparative comments. I now have some difficulties understanding why the pros chose to use "difficult" clubs - what's the advantage for pros?
It's because some pro's (not all) like to see, or are most comfortable seeing a shape to their shots Ian.
Shorter blade length muscle backs are easier to 'work' and 'shape' at will, as the centre of gravity is closer to the shaft (they're the lowest MOI models). The pro's that like shot making like this, like to be able to think about hitting a draw or fade and it just happens without having to change their swing drastically to hit to left or right pins.
Some of the pro's who use this type of iron (Tommy Fleetwood is a great example) will have a stock shot in their bag for a back left flag. And they'll say it's harder to manufacture that with a more forgiving iron.
Obviously that's very different iron traits to what most club golfers are wanting.
Hope that helps.
I’ve been as low as a 10 handicap, crept back to a 12 last year. Currently playing the older i20s, and was considering going to the i210s. Now I’m also looking at the G425 and the g710 (love the look!). Seeing how similar the numbers are in the chart, I’m confused as to why the G425 is for an estimated 8+ but the g710 are for high handicappers. I like the extra distance they both offer, but as a 10-12 current handicap, would love to hear your thoughts. I want the g710s but feel as if that’s a step in the wrong direction. Will only be purchasing 7-PW, FYI.
Ping see the G710 much more as a distance iron, and typically it's higher handicap players that focus more on distance. The G425 blends distance with forgiveness for a more across the board performance...not sure if that helps?
You might struggle to get a fitting on the G710, they're no longer available in the UK, be we are aware there's sets out there in the market place.
Very nice and detailed overview, thanks!
One question as when you refer to the handicap levels and suitability of certain clubs, are you referring to WHS levels or the old system?
Great info, thanks .
Is it possible to combine different heads in a set? If I would like i59's in 3-5 iron and 6-pw in Blueprints - is that possible?
yeah 100%, you can have a mix of any !
Absolutely Johan, Ping will make whatever you want, just pay attention to the gapping between the transition clubs.
I’m a 0 handicap player and I bought the i210 some months ago, do you think they suit me? Or should I change them to a more ambitious club??Thanks
The i210 are Ping's most played iron on tour Nikolas, you're in good company. They're a great blend of decent looks, feel and a decent sprinkling of forgiveness.
What would you like a more 'ambitious' iron to give you that the i210 don't?
I just wanted to know if you think if I would improve my game with a more ambitious club. I’ve seen some taylormade clubs that are great looking or even the ping i59. Thanks
It seems like the i210s have been basically the best all-around Ping set for years, too good to be replaced.
When do we think we'll get a new i210 version?
No news as of yet, certainly not this year Aeneas13.
Since 5 of 6 have screws in the toe, I’m guessing the i210 is the iron of choice
Why's that Lowtech?
@@todaysgolfer because it’s the only one with solid steel behind the golf ball.. equals more thwack
@@Lowtech14 Not true Low-tech. The Blueprint is one one piece forged and the G425 isn't a hollow body, it's a cavity back.
@@todaysgolfer Fair enough. A cb will never have as much thwack as a muscle back. I did note that in the video the i210 was mentioned as Ping’s most popular iron on tour. I’m not surprised. Btw, for context I game Taylormade Tour Preferred T-D blades. PW is 50* 😀
@@todaysgolfer mea culpa. The i210s are a cb w an insert, not a mb. Sigh, I hate when this happens.
If you were to put together a combo iron set, would you use the i59 for irons 7-PW and the G425 for irons 4,5,6?
It would of course depend on the player, but that's a possibility for sure.
Remember you can Power Spec through the i59 set (so the 7-iron becomes 2deg stronger) if need be.
@@todaysgolfer thank you!
I would go for an i59/i210 set. But then again I love my i210s
@@justinstephenson9360 Why i210 instead of G425 for your long irons?
I would think the i500 would blend in 4 and 5 with a power spec i59 6-pw would be the best blend. 6i could go in either one depending on the player.
I tested the i59's and liked them a lot, but the price is outrageous, so I wont be getting them
The hollow construction with an aluminium filler is very costly to produce. Glad to hear you liked them though.
Spend your money on lessons, period. You can hit any cheap club better. You cannot buy golf..
I would say do both