+Kenji Fukushima For everyone that doesn't know the twist in the first kotor this would be one of the most awesome movie moments ever. I want the story of Revan as a movie ._.
+Kenji Fukushima First movie: starts at beginning of Kotor, ends after the twist Second movie: starts after the twist, ends at the end of Kotor Third movie: A prequel about Revan and Malak in the Mandalorian wars
Debates Versus They confirmed Malachor as a real location in the franchise and placed "Moraband" exactly where Korriban was in the old expanded universe maps. Not to mention Kylo Ren's mask eerily is reminiscent of Revan's for a good reason.
As overpowered as Starkiller might seem, in a battle of wills, he doesn't hold a candle to Revan. The man withstood 300 years of mental and physical torture from Vitiate with the aid of the Dread Masters, with his own willpower being great enough to utilize his connection with the emperor to influence Vitiate's actions, all while sustaining himself with nothing but the force. Now THAT is willpower.
And that in and of itself is impressive, yeah. But Vitiate had the mental capacity to dominate literally 8000 sith lords and brainwash them into performing his ritual. It was more often than not his first method of attack. Just look at what he did on Ziost. And the dreadmasters are arguably the six most powerful battle meditation adepts in history. I would put Revan's feat above Marek's. But that might just be my bias talking as an avid player of SWTOR.
Here's a quote from Vitiate's wookiepedia article: "But when the eight thousand Sith who answered Vitiate's call arrived at his palace, he dominated their minds and bound their wills to his, forcing the Sith to participate in the ritual."
Will Reno I'm interested in finding out what the source for that was. Still Kaan was able to telepathically influence an order of 20,000 Sith Lords and Bane was able to resist him. Sidious is of course far superior to Bane both via quotes and the logic of the RoT line itself. It seems that such a feat may not scale additionally but rather exponentially based on a Force user's power in the Force. A good example of that being C'baoth failing to TP Luke and Mara but taking control of 20,000 officers in a fleet. Or Sidious's ability to zombify the inhabitants of Byss ( around 20 billion ) but not being able to fully dominate Luke. Interesting to think about and compare.
"Revan was power. It was like staring into the heart of the Force. Even then, you could see the Jedi he would slay etched on his soul." ―Kreia Coming from Kreia, I'd say that's a pretty strong comment in regards to the Revan's force strength arguments.
Come on, we all know thats manipulation. Its equivalent to any character saying another character is "ultra powerful," "powerful beyond imagination." its bullshit.
Mandalore The Ultimate Indeed.If based on the game, the first Movie can be all about Taris ending with them going to Dantoine and telling him they will train him. Second Movie is them locating the maps ending with Bastilla getting taken and the big reveal of who we really are. The Final movie is locating the final map piece and ending Malaks reign.
A drug addled, emaciated Revan was able to floor a full power Pre-Voice Vitiate fuelled by his own throne room and surrounded by force empowered bodyguards. With added visions of victory for Revan. Then Revan Reborn returns "far more powerful than ever" when he'd already been described pre-reborn as being "one of the most powerful force users ever". This is including the fact that he now resembled an aushwitz victim due to 300 years of torture by Vitiate and an entire sith council. He takes on the man who would defeat Vitiate plus the entire strike team, despite being a skinny emaciated mess, having absorbed and survived the force backlash of a machine that could destroy armies...and who kills him?....Himself Logically Revan Reborn > Vitiate If that is the case then galen stands even less of a chance.
+Revan Too many people are annoyed that a video game character is OP and popular. The more info released the more stupid they look... www.comicvine.com/profile/darthant66/blog/revan-respect-thread/95278/
I agree with everything In the video EXCEPT that Revan would win. Galin literally has super saiyan. If you take the feats he has in STTFO 2, when push comes to shove he becomes immortal for a limited amount of time, while also being nearly unlockable. It is a complete enhancement of his force, endurance, speed, strength, and will. I think that if he doesn't use that ability, he would lose. (I can't remember if this waswaht he says was his "prime" but I think when starkiller was in the sequel he was at his strongest, IMO.)
Revan infact would win.He didn’t just explore dark side of the force but light too.He unlocked many secrets of the force.He defeated Darth Malak.And dozens of dark Jedi.He even killed Jedi.He was brave enough to go and find vitiate to kill him.And was so powerful that he split into 2.I think he was powerful enough to defeat Sidius while Galin died doing that.Also the fact that he was in the times of old republic makes him more powerful.If you don’t get why it makes him powerful do some research on ancient sith and times of the old republic.
Revan has arguably just as much speed and quickness as Starkiller, but far more experience and far better tactics. Not to mention he allegedly knows all 7 forms of lightsaber combat where as Starkiller only knows 3. So yeah, I'd say Revan has this one 7 or 8 out of 10 times. The only thing Starkiller has going for him is brute strength...maybe durability as well.
Antoine Bandele There's a difference between knowing the forms and merely knowing OF the forms. All Jedi and Sith know OF the forms. But they pick and favor more specific ones usually. Only the greatest ones have even the slightest possibility of mastering all 7.
And folks tend to forget that mastery of all forms is not a _perfect_ applications of those forms. The two do not correlate. However, in this specific comparison, Revan is the type that uses them all at the right time with mastery but he's no infallible like any other Niman generalist.
Antoine Bandele Main problem with Niman is that it lacks an extreme attribute to dominate the fight with. I'd say the most overall effective form is Form V: Shien/Djem So. It can handle multiple bogeys, utilize brute strength when needed, and can deflect laser fire.
I somewhat agree. Form V if counting both variations has variety. Tho Djem So is made primarily for dueling and not geared towards fighting multiple opponents,but it's not necessarily weak at it. Form V in general does have a good amount of diversity
Darth Nihilus yeah but force drain was all you had, once you get past that you were an extremely average sith and would be pummeled by either of these 2.
Agreed. People like to hate on both of these characters because of how powerful they both were. But they were definitely two of the best and my two favorites.
Revan deserves the praise he gets because he's basically the classic RPG protagonist that's destined to be the strongest in the end, walking on the line between the light side and dark side, and brought people together using his cunning, charisma, and power, and all this he did not for power but because he felt it was right to stand against the invading Mandalorians rather than listen to the Jedi who were willing to just stand by and letting the Mandos rape and pillage the galaxy. Galen Marek is a self-insert of Kratos or some shit
The Balance of the Force. Who is the true master of the light and dark? Two overrated characters deemed overpowered, let's bring them back down to earth. Watch more Star Wars VS: ua-cam.com/play/PLDFq63aBi3_x_hhCNeHiT0xbfWUGpXl0J.html
Fight suggestions: Boba Fett Vs. Jango Fett Luke Skywalker Vs. Rahm Khota Jango Fett Vs. Han Solo Chewbacca Vs.Zaalbar Leia Vs. Padme Rancors Vs. Acklays Mace Windu Vs. Revan Darth Maul Vs. General Grievous.
***** >I'd say Boba wins. He had the teachings of Jango himself, as well as that of countless other bounty hunters to rely on. Plus far more experience, I'd think, picking up more jobs under the Empire than Jango would have under the Republic. >Luke wins that one quite comfortably. >Jango, no contest. Han has so few tools at his disposal, and if you take it to the skies Slave 1 has superior firepower to the Falcon. >I'm not familiar with Zaalbar. I can't comment. Chewie vs Zeb would be interesting though. >Hard to say. >I don't know what Acklays are. >Tough to judge. Maybe Revan. >I think Darth Maul wins quite comfortably.
Randoman590 Boba, you forget, was bred with Jango's exact DNA. Luke would not win so comfortably as Kota had much more experience and talent with the force. Han is a much quicker shot than Jango and is a possible force sensitive. Zaalbar was an ally of Revan after his mind was wiped. Zaalbar was also a wookie. Acklays are a creature native to Vendaxa, and could be found on planets like Felucia. You can see Obi Wan fight one in the arenas of Geonosis, big green beast. I wouldn't say Maul wins so comfortably, but I believe he fought Grievous and won in the cartoon now that I think about it. starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Acklay
***** It would depend on which Luke you would use against Kota. Otherwise legends luke would stomp kota and the opposite for the former. A more balanced fight would be Ki adi mundi vs. Rahm Kota.
Starkiller pretty much stomps Vader and the Emperor one after another. He also pulls a Stat Destroyer out of Lower Orbit. He also kills a member of the jedi high council. In the DLC he kills Obi Wan, Luke(Pre Yoda) and a Trained Leia. He's way more stacked than anyone realizes.
eckabacken9 At the bidding of a six hundred year old Sith Master who didn't know how to let go of a grudge. Do you blame the gun for the bullets it fires?
Not to mention starkiller was heavily buffed due to plot and Revan was nerfed in the game but if they both didn’t have their nerfs and buffs Revan neg diffs just tosses marek like a doll
All you guys saying that Palpatine and star killer, Luke etc. are the greatest force users ever obviously have never heard of Darth Plaguies who could literally create life with the force. And Revan stood toe to toe with a Sith emporer who was millennial in age and who could literally drain entire planets of all there life, this Sith emporer was perfection in every aspect and the fact that Revan almost beat him just blows Starkiller out of the water. Revan would toast star killer. It's not even a close fight.
+Ultronicplasma It depends haters use the angle that Revan was "rag-dolled" but seem to forget he was drugged, totured and weakened by the throne room. Vitiate on the other hand was pre-voice, at beyond full power and powered by his throne room. He was sent to the floor with a force blast and floored again by his own lightning before Revans capture.....
***** it's the principle of the thing. at least Malak was deceitful when he attempted to kill Revan. killing someone in one's sleep just seems, i don't know, a cop out in my opinion to what could have been an epic battle between the two.
***** he disguised his actions and manipulations through muddling the Force for YEARS. even in the Legends, which the Sideous novel and all New Republic stories are the Ysalamiri creatures that can negate the Force in a radius around them. creatures he used later in Legends where he cloned himself and transferred his consciousness (Force ghost) into. in conclusion: he COULD have done something different (however it was written by an author) but went with killing his master in his sleep instead for numerous reasons that seems like a cop out.
Do you even know who Starkiller is? Why underestimate him? This dude pulled down a Star Destroyer with relative ease and was able to match both Vader and Sidious.
Relative ease? LOL! What game were you playing? First off, he was STRUGGLING like hell. Second, he didn't pull the Star Destroyer down. He GUIDED it down. BIG DIFFERENCE. Meanwhile, Revan casually flicks asteroids thousands of miles away from orbit out of the sky
At the end of Shadow of Revan 8 people fight him those are: 1) Satele Shan 2) Theron Shan 3) Lana Beniko 4) Darth Marr 5) Jazargo (the Wookie) 6) Shae Vizela 7) The (future) Outlander 8) A companion of the (future) Ouylander These are the people that fight against Revan
You know, if you're still doing these versus videos. I would like to make a few suggestions --->Starkiller's Clone from Force Unleashed II V.S. Kylo Ren, Kylo Ren V.S. Darth Vader, Luke Skywalker (episode 6) V.S. Revan and last but not least, Kylo Ren V.S. Obi-Wan-Kenobi. It would also be cool if you could find an animator who could make your battle scenarios.
+Simon opdebeeck ua-cam.com/video/WuCHDrCOjko/v-deo.html Kylo Ren is not well defined as a combatant. We’ve only seen him in one duel, a duel which was mired in circumstance by way of plot convenience, injury and psychological turmoil.
So to me Galen is more volatile than Revan, more of a loose canon than Revan ever was. His raw destructive power trumps Revan. Vader trained Marek to have the most volatile application of the force. Only a Jedi whose ally was the force, and was in harmony with the living force would beat a Galen Marek. The Dark Times was a difficult time, probably didn't do Marek any favors as you say. Revan would have to be at his best with his harmony intact, otherwise because of how forceful Marek was raised, he'd be too defensive to prevail.
I disagree with star killers fighting analysis, he seemed to be driven by emotion too often than not and unable to keep a level head. This could lead to revan taking advantage of this in combat. Giving into his anger would amplify his dark side ability but would lead to irrational attacks and leave openings in his defence for revan to exploit.
Revan would wreck starkiller. No one in star killers Era has known any measure of the war Revan has survived and won through. Even Anakin could not match it, not even close. Palpatine may be the greatest darksider, but being a sorcerer and a warmaster are two different things entirely. Revan won the mandalorian wars, nearly won the sith wars for the Sith, and then defeated his own progress and won the sith wars for the Jedi, virtually singlehanded (in most cases). And we haven't even left KOTOR 1 lore. Revan lived in a time of war and devastation which would make the current galactic struggle look like a bad skirmish, he was the skywalker of his time, he is likely born of the exact same phenomenon. In fact, at his true peak and center, Revan was likely comparable to Grand Master Luke Skywalker, though not greater. He was sith and jedi and more, and thats just the first game.
I tend to agree. Whenever I think about Palpatine's claims of being the strongest and Anakin being The One, I always think there's the caveat: "in recent times".
Pure speculation and based of their comparative feats an inaccurate assessment. Defeating armies in battles with your own forces is inferior to defeating entire armies on your own. Something Galen has accomplished.
Not entirely on his own (although that's an option in the game too), but let's not forget Revan's assault on the Star Forge, assisted only by two of his friends. And the trail of bodies that were left behind in getting to that point, as well.
Corranhorn122 Galen is alone as is confirmed by both the novel and comic. I'm not trying to take away from Revan's feat. I'm just saying that Revan defeating armies with allies does not make him superior to Galen. It might make him a superior field general/tactician but it doesn't put him ahead as a personal combatant.
DudeWatches I'm sorry but simple because you do not like a character that has no bearing on their capabilities as combatants. Revan's companions were either Force users or trained warriors. Neither Juno nor Proxy ever aided him combatively.
This is a really well made video, however I believe Revan would have absolutely anihilated Galen. Revan's tactics force ability and experience were far greater, with potentially only Galen's agility and speed being greater than Revan's.
I think Reven would win indeed but not like that. Merak has years of training and months of actual combat. Reven has decades of training, decades of actually combat and not with just old broken jedi he fought the greatest masters of light and dark of his day as well as real mandalorians not broken fetts. The advantage of experience can make worlds of difference in combat as well as it can in many other realms of life.
I don't know if you listened to the Revan Expanded Lore but his force lighting was able to completely disintegrate a powerful Darth (i do apologies as i forgot the name). Not only that but Revan's own lightning briefly outmatched vitiate in a fight they had :) I hope this helped in some way :)
@@CarnageRulez469 did a little bit of research, and found out which force Power she used, Force Storm. And Revan also absorbed It, mocked Nyriss a little then redirected It at her, turning the Sith Pureblood into ASH. (Please don't quote me on this, as i said It was a Very little amount of research. Even so, hopefully i was able to help shed a little light into the exact situation that Revan did the Desintegration.) :)
For Galen's dueling skills, you could say he was a Niman user as well. He may not have been very moderate, but he combined multiple styles, and weaved Force Abilities into his strikes.
I might have liked old Revan but not the dark side shadow that lingered. I find Galen Merrick's move into the light out of seemingly impossible darkness personally inspiring.
I feel you forgot that Force Drain could be used to offset Galen's ability with pain tolerance. It is a demanding force power, but Galen has no defense against it, and it would heal Revan while wounding Galen. The games show that Revan can use it in combat with lightsaber wielding foes. Also, Revan could use Force breach to crack Galen's force defenses, a technique Galen himself never uses.
Revan, in lore, never used drain against enemies who were on or close to his level of power. So he might not be able to use it against powerful force users
I didn't play SWTOR for quite some time but I believe Metra Surik was the reason he was able to use drain. Also if you were to refer to the games Revan and Galen come from than Galen did display impressive feat breaking Vaders, Shaak Ti, Kota, Kastsin Paradus's force wall.
Bruce is right. This is further backed up by Krayt attempting to drain GM Luke in Apocalypse but failing to weaken him considerably given their comparative power.
Bruce Jedi Lee Thankyou also for understanding force drain was accomplished by the help of Metra Surik (As I recall or its just some weird memories but I certainly don't remember him using force drain properly.) And he alone cannot do it himself
@@maddoglukas8510 I know right? I mean, he can beat the emperor, he can pull an entire Star Destroyer out of the sky,He can lift an AT-CT up with the force, he defeated Lord Vader the chosen one, and surely he can take on an AT-AT if he can force pull a Star Destroyer.
I love the way you put the fights together. Its almost like listening to an audiobook. And the visuals fill in the gaps and make me REALLY PICTURE what's happening. And the music choices are great!
William Henning Obi-Wan chose to focus on a different part of the Force which eventually allowed him to become a Force Ghost. Obi-Wan is more powerful than most realise, but because he didn't focus on the combative uses of the Force, this is not easily seen. I would say that Galen had a higher potential than Obi-Wan, and had he had longer to train and more years to focus, Galen would have been a truely daunting Force user and would have been one of the most powerful in history. His limit was that he died many years before he could meet his full potential.
Gray ForceUser Never go by game logic in fights, that's stupid. It doesn't make any sense to have them fight in their video game forms, it doesn't work or translate over well. I didn't even say Revan would lose either.
Not saying that Galen should have won but the fact that the comparison was a 300+ year old legend against a early 20’s prodigy kinda shows how powerful Galen could have become.
actually starkiller can mix the force with his lightsaber abilities better then revan. he can use the force in His hand and transfers it into his saber and you can't deflect that when a saber with lightning in it is coming towards you with such power.
From a narrative perspective, it makes for a stronger story that Revan and Malak were acting of their own accord. After reading up on Vitiate's lore, i am convinced that omitting everything to do with that character can only help the overarching story.
Revan, hero of multiple wars, Grey jedi, so force sensitive that he was able to almost take over the mind of one of the true Sith race, and able to mind fuck and curb stomp Palpatine AND Darth Vader with his eyes damn near closed at the same time. Garen Malak, unique force sensitive almost as strong as Darth Vader, was Vader's best trainee, the real one who ACTUALLY started the rebellion against the empire. ...............yeah..... Revan would destroy him.
+Jake Fernus Hunter (Boundedsumo) "So force sensitive that he was able to almost take over the mind of one of the true Sith race" What? No he wasn't. Crub stomp Vader and Palpatine? Palpatine would curb stomp Revan with one hand while taking a piss with the other. Vader would stomp Revan as well. Yeah, Galen would destroy him
Mr33500 you obviously don't know the story of star wars or Revan and the Old republic then, I suggest reading it/playing it again. respond, and I block you as I have better things to do than trying to reason with some whiny child that thinks everyone should believe as he does.
Mudoh415 Oh trust me, I have my fair share of slurs and flubs. But thank you. Though I think Reti4 and GreyJedi91 have much nicer voices than I do. But I prefer my editing, mixing and all that jazz.
"What it felt, he felt, too, and even a small acceleration had a profound effect of such a large scale. It resisted with all the momentum it possessed. Hatches swung open; rivets popped; bulkheads twisted; pipes burst. The Star Destroyer didn't appear to have moved much in the sky. It was still coming in low on the horizon, aiming to pass over him and strafe him from above. He shifted his hand a second time, but instead of changing its course he mistakenly gave it a slight tumble. He needed to apply the Force the right way for this to work, taking the growing forces of friction and the shifting of its center of gravity into account. A spinning Star Destroyer would do more damage than one burying itself nose-first into the cannon and its superstructure. Damage was good, when it came to destroying the Emperor's handiwork, but too much damage could destroy him and perhaps the Rogue Shadow as well under a deadly rain of molten shrapnel." _Source: The Force Unleashed by Sean Williams_ Galen did not bring down a Star Destroyer. He re-directed an already crashing one. And when he did, he did it through applying a the right kind of pull, not a grand one. "He needed to apply the Force the right way for this to work" But sure, let's say he did pull down the Star Destroyer of his own accord. This still speaks nothing to his applied ability mid-way through combat. He could not penetrate his enemy's Force walls, not Kota, not Shaak Ti, not Darth Vader. And that's what counts with one's combative Force abilities. Revan, by contrast, could break through the Force walls of the greatest Sith Masters of his time.
Raxus Prime was a construction yard for Star Destroyers. During the bombardment this happens: "He described the scene in as few words as he could, unable to tear his gaze away from the sight of the disintegrating ship yards. Huge, molten chunks were tearing free and tumbling either out into deep space or down into lower orbits while further explosions continued to tear the facility apart. The scaffolding around the nearly completed Star Destroyer had bent and torn completely away, leaving the ship free to power down into the atmosphere of Raxus Prime." _Source: The Force Unleashed by Sean Williams_
+Antoine Bandele i find it confusing because in the Force unleashed ps3 version the star destroyer is is hovering and trying to pull away from Marek. when Marek then gets a good grip of the destroyer he forces it to crash. now in the ps2 version Marek just finishd fighting two siths and directly after the that he spotts han forces the destroyer to hit a this giant looking space laser that is used to forge star destroyers but the importend part about this this version is that marek had full control of the Destroyer crashing it into an object without being in danger and leaves the planet with no problem. so i ask you what version is cannon? P.S. i know my english is not great
If you look at the force unleashed II E3 trailer, you can see that Starkiller can also turn everybody within an 8m (26,5 ft) range or so (not very good in estimating distances) into ash and killing everybody that stood farther than that.
Before I watch this video (posted 10 seconds in) I believe that both of these characters are very balanced towards each other in similar ways, tied between the dark side and light, the Jedi and Sith. Both having similar characteristics, such as dual lightsabers, using both sides of the force to their advantage and how powerful each one is, I believe will be a great and close "match".
To me, the story of Revan from KOTOR was always what Lucasfilm should have made happen with Anakin. They seem so alike in so many ways. Revan will always be my favorite from that era.
Haha Vader could beat 5 Bobas but it is still extremely impressive to survive blows from a Sith Lord with such power. He said to be the most power bounty hunter in the universe.
peterthesneakybastar Grievous should be able to close the distance between himself and Galen quickly enough so that Galen can't begin wrecking shop with his force powers. Once he closes the distance Galen is done for. Close combat is definitely Grievous At range Galen should be able to take a couple of matches. Grievous 6.5/10.
At first I thought this channel to be a simple rehashing of the common comparison-by-round videos, but staying through the entire video rewarded me with in-depth commentary and a thought-out theoretical duel. Props to you, sir.
William Henning Well, how about being so powerful that when you 'die' the evil part of you says "Nah fam" and creates a cult to destroy the galaxy. Also he lived for like 400 years.
Antoine Bandele Hey, Antoine Bandele. This was great. I'd even like to see how Galen Marek fairs up against Jaden Korr from Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy. It's one of 10 I've suggested for you to do next in future. I can't wait to see Legends Grievous vs PROXY, or Canon Grievous vs Pong Krell.
I just love starkiller favourite person in all of Star Wars so good with force and lightsaber dualing and he broke out of the dark side and joined the light
Excellent. By the way, do you accept requests? If you do I'd like to see Batman vs Big Boss. Ideally when their both in their prime. And to make is more fair I'd go with the Arkham Knight Batman and Big Boss as he appeared in either Ground Zeros or Phantom Pain. I believe the match up would be quite the epic battle between the two most capable human being of their respective universes. I have thoughts on how the fight would go, but you're the expert and I would love to hear your thoughts on the matter.
Just a small glimpse at how OP tor made Revan... Revan can beat the combined strength of Darth Traya and the Jedi Exile (Meetra Surik) in battle. "If the Exile could defeat Kreia, Revan would have an easier time of it. (; United with the Exile, Kreia and the Exile vs. Revan? My money’s still on Revan, since in my mind, Revan was a master strategist as well as an extremely powerful Force wielder." ―Chris Avellone (Knights of the Old Republic 2 Head Writer) "So my opinion is that Revan could kick the Exile’s ass..." ―Chris Avellone (Knights of the Old Republic 2 Head Writer) A comparison of Revan's Raw Power compared to Dooku ect. At: www.comicvine.com/profile/darthant66/blog/revans-raw-power-comparison/97193/
Revan is able to Combat a collation strike force, consisting of the greatest Sith, Jedi and Mandalorians. Including The Hero of Tython, The Emperor's Wrath, Darth Marr, Grandmaster Satele Shan, Lana Beniko, Theron Shan, Shae Vizla, Jakarro and squads of elite Commandos, on Yavin 4. He overpowers the entire strike team during various parts of the battles, despite their power and skill being "greatly " amplified by Satele's mastery of Battle Meditation.
+Colonel Sanders Revan was the most powerful Sith Lord in history, alongside Darth Sidious and Darth Caedus. "The Star Wars universe has created some truly vile dark side villains. Have you ever wondered what would happen if the most powerful Sith Lords (Darth Sidious, Darth Caedus, and Darth Revan) duked it out for supremacy of the galaxy?" ―Lucas Arts/Wizards of the Coast: Sith Showdown
+Colonel Sanders During the Battle of Malachor V, Revan called upon the power of the planet from orbit. Despite the distance, Revan was able to draw on the power and unleash it onto both the Republic and Mandalorian fleets. In this act, the Mandalorian fleets turned to disarray and the battle itself was completely turned in favor of Revan's faction. For the Republic fleet, thousands of Jedi and Republic soldiers became corrupted and mindlessly loyal to Revan's cause. Just imagine the power Revan would have harnessed!"Revan used the Trayus Academy to influence the battle above Malachor V, using its power to affect the tide of battle and corrupt others to the Sith. "―Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic 2: The Sith Lords"Revan is able to draw upon the dark side energies of the planet below and use it during the battle... Simultaneously, more and more Jedi, unable to ignore the power emanating from the planet below, become corrupted by its influence."―Star Wars: Chronicles of the Old Republic
+Colonel Sanders Revan could absorb, channel, and influence the enormous power of the Temple of Sacrifice's Machine Core to where it would have created a resonance that killed anyone within a one kilometer radius of him, including even Darth Nox - instantly. This was also an highly advanced demonstration of a Force Bond."Through masterful control of the Force, Revan has created a Force resonance with The Machine's core, and is channeling its power into an immense attack."―Star Wars: The Old Republic
Revan is considered overrated and overpowered? I don't think I agree with this for several reasons. First, I want to address the fact that I think that Revan is one of the best Star Wars characters overall (ignoring his appearance in SWTOR). I don't like him because of his power or abilities but because of his importance and influence to the galaxy as a whole. He changed it completely by being what he is, a leader. He lead the Republic against the Mandalorians (a powerful force to be reckoned with) against the council's wishes, saving the galaxy. He lead the REMNANTS of his decimated fleet against the Republic and grew enough to establish a stable Empire, and then he saved the galaxy once more by leading a small group to defeat Darth Malak aboard the Star Forge. He absolutely changed the galaxy in a way others would never even imagine was possible. Now, the reason I think he isn't overpowered is a simple one. He was a prodigy in the Force from a very young age and accomplished several impressive feats in his life. However, we must also think about what would be considered a prodigy in his era. That era was a time when the Jedi were not all that impressive. Masters of the order were few and far apart. Remember that the Order was almost destroyed only40 years prior during the Exar Kun War. The greatest examples of powerful Force users would be maybe Kreia, The Exile, The Jedi High Council, Master Vandar and Darth Malak (pre Kotor 2 btw). All powerful in their own right, but few really qualifying to be really powerful force users. When contrasting this era to one filled with great masters, such as the Clone Wars (Obi Wan Kenobi, Mace Windu, Yoda, Kit Fisto, Count Dooku, Darth Sidious, etc) you can see that a prodigy would be a much more impressing thing. Take Anakin Skywalker for instance. He was considered the chosen one, a master of the force, a natural and with amazing abilities. To be considered this amazing he would have had to be compared next to masters like the ones previously stated and that is truly amazing, to surpass such standards. Back to Revan, he was powerful in the Force and had extraordinary abilities for sure, but when compared to other masters from other eras, that is pretty average for a high class force user. Not average in his time mind you, but seen as great and above all other standards. His abilities with a lighsaber were in his time exceptional, and here I do think that he deserves to be seen as a great master in overall Galactic History with incredible fights with powerful adversaries such as Mandalore the Ultimate and Darth Malak, even though most of his other fights would likely be against much lesser foes than him. And his Force abilities were strong for sure but I wouldn't put him as a ridiculously powerful character, in fact, I think that if he ever had to face against, say, Obi Wan Kenobi then he would have a very hard time and would most likely lose (ignoring the progression of techniques that would obviously happen in over 3500 years) but it would be close. Revan's true strength comes from his mind. His ingenuity, his knowledge, his intellect, his willingness to make sacrifices and ,most importantly, his leadership. He saved and conquered the galaxy not by his individual feats, but by his ability to convince and lead individuals and make some true change in the galaxy. Without allies, he wouldn't have accomplished what he did. Kreia even said it herself. She saw the same thing in the Exile, and saw that that would be the deciding factor to how influential they could be. So, in conclusion, I don't think Revan is as strong as most people think. He is powerful indeed, strong enough to content against many of the Masters in Galactic History. However, his greatness doesn't come from raw power or ability. Revan is not a one man army, he is one man that leads armies to change the Galaxy forever.
+ComanderScar We shouldn't just ignore SWTOR. I mean, he got his ass handed to him twice. He tried to commit the worst genocide in the history of the galaxy. He is responsible for the destruction of Ziost and the deaths of thousands of Imperials and Republic civilians. Hate to break it to you, Revan was good. But he was not great. Revan was skilled and all, but he was not even the most powerful duelist alive, nor the most powerful force user.
***** Yeah, Disney can go fall in a Sarlaac pit for all i care. Selfish sons of hutts. But it does count, yes, Revan was not himself when he did it. But he still did it. He still tried to eradicate 97.8 quadrillion people based on their race, and that is not cool.
He just has so much abilities in the game which makes fans like it so much. Like the repulse ability or the different types of force lightning abilities just makes him overrated really easily.
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30:47 "Bushido is realized in the presence of death. This means choosing death whenever there is a choice between life and death. There is no other reasoning." - Yamamoto Tsunetomo Revan wins: Pyrrhic Victory
+Bruce Jedi Lee oh you clearly don't know what you are talking about.. Why are u talking about windu and vader being in the same league as krayt and bane? Concerning galen marek i would put him a bit below vader in terms of power, and revan is obviously above windu but beneeth krayt and bane
+Bruce Jedi Lee Almost all of those guys you mentioned are above Galen. Overall I'd agree that Revan either is or near equal to guys like Windu, Dooku Vader , Bane, Krayt, and Kun.
Are you fucking serious? Vitiate electrocuted and nearly fried Revan with his Force Lightning. Revan was almost dead at that point. After that, Scourge backstabbed Revan. The fuck are you talking about.....Go do some research yourself.
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I loved TFU, and i love KOTOR. Revan is by far my favorite Force User, the first Grey Jedi, whom i adore. But all in all Revan could beat Galen in a fight no problem. I think it wouldnt be as close as you stated, but rather Revan getting in a decisive blow with his lightsaber through his superiority in Lightsaber dueling, then using his superior force powers to beat Marek down eventually making Galen Marek unable to fight, before finishing him off with a final fatal blow. But of course they are both beat by Sidious, lol.
Do remember - Galen Marek gets the edge physically. He's very durable - partly due to Darth Vader's extreme training, and also due to his tactics in Soresu. So he can take a lightsaber hit. But his lightsaber and Force defenses are lackluster at best.
I feel like u guys disregarded Galens ability with the force a little I do agree revenue was stronger but galen would have more of a chance the u guys said he would and remember galen almost killed sidious only dying to save his friends
Even if we take away the overpowerness. I still claim Revan. Why? The facts. Revan had many masters. Revan had many battles. He joined a war and with his help turned the entire thing around. Galen was trained by Vader. He had plenty of fights. However, I wouldn't say they were on par with the war Revan was in, nor the enemies. Not saying Revan's enemies were A LOT stronger, but they were mandalorians. Basically the toughest and ruthless race out there. I mean if we go by games...well...they both were extremely overpowered lol. I mean malek forced a Star Destroyed to crash. And book wise, Revan took on the sith Emperor and actually stood his ground. Unless we are going to claim the ancient emperor was a wimp. But again, going off books and games...we get crazy. Basically fanfic and blah balh. Who is more godly .
wristofkings I'd make it Vader and Sidious. Both Revan and Galen have defeated Malak and Vader, respectively. Although, that fight depends on whether we're using reasonable Sidious, or "I am death destroyer of worlds" Sidious from the EU.
drksideofthewal Well Vader bitchslapped Malak in one of Evan's matchups, and Revan just beat Galen here (though not a decisive stomp by any means). I was thinking along the lines of Darth Revan against Vader while Malak contends with Marek. There's a tactical element here too, as the Old Republic duo are used to working as a team. Not so much Vader and his Sith apprentice. Putting Sidious in that battle would be pointless, as he can dominate anyone in the room even without his DBZ-like feats from the EU.
(Imagines revan cut in half with Luke standing beside him saying yup starkiller killed me in. A dlc really sucks) haven't played the dlc ipbut the last time a checked starkiller kills luke
Wow, really long video for my tastes, but I thoroughly enjoyed it. Well thought out. Lots of research, evidence, and examples to everything you put in. First video of yours I've watched, but probably won't be the last. These are two of my favorite force wielders so far. So I was really happy watching all of this. ^_^
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While I don't argue with the outcome, I would like to mention that Galen's style of combat was *exclusively* honed by fighting Jedi and other lightsaber wielders. But like you mentioned, it could be attributed to his use of offensive force use
+Mr33500 Vitiate is dead "killed" which tells us about power :), revan btw just left everyone there is no place that says he's dead just he vanished, Sidious isnt even near Revans power, he was suprised of Anakin's power in the movie intro when he become vader and got enraged. Which means sidious isnt stronger then vader. Vader is child to Revan. + Sidious is an old man that has only force lightning as power and some other powers that dosnt need explanation cuz they arent that great, where Revan has 1 arsenal, just pick 1 force power in star wars and Revan has it. Revan is hybrid, he knows both good and dark side of the force, a hybrid who made anyone acknowladge his power, even the greatest of the greatest masters said that revans power are unreal. The only way to fight him was to weaken him and to gain power of the ancient....but still even that didnt work on him ;) .
Ismael Ciulla no definitely not. he can stand up to the emperor sure but I belive it would be below his count maybe slightly higher (Vader was 14,000-15,000 and emperor was 16,000)
Can't we all just agree that Revan has the most badass uniform ever?
Yes
Why thank you 🙏
Greaat!
For sure, his mask is dope as hell
The Sith Stalker armor is also pretty cool in The Force Unleashed, especially Dark Lord’s Armor variant.
Is it just me who thinks they should make a trilogy of the rise and fall of Revan? I think it'd be an awesome movie trilogy.
+Kenji Fukushima
And a great galactic war spin of.
+Kenji Fukushima I feel like that would be a confusing film.
+Kenji Fukushima For everyone that doesn't know the twist in the first kotor this would be one of the most awesome movie moments ever. I want the story of Revan as a movie ._.
+XyrasS Agreed!
+Kenji Fukushima
First movie: starts at beginning of Kotor, ends after the twist
Second movie: starts after the twist, ends at the end of Kotor
Third movie: A prequel about Revan and Malak in the Mandalorian wars
IDGAF what Disney says, Revan and Galen Marek are canon to me
Except for the stupid split in two nonsense, it's just too much
Disney pretty much made Revan canon, though I'm not sure about Galen, but they have left hints of him.
when did they confirmed it?
Debates Versus They confirmed Malachor as a real location in the franchise and placed "Moraband" exactly where Korriban was in the old expanded universe maps. Not to mention Kylo Ren's mask eerily is reminiscent of Revan's for a good reason.
sonic8005 I think it's inspired by revan's mask or IS revan's mask.
imagine if Galen was Revan's apprentice.
FrozenBloodWolf hmm if I ever get a fanfiction account I might consider doing that theory
Then Galen would be much more powerful then Revan, considering what Revan taught Galen or raised him to do.
@@IllyrianStrength Not necessarily, masters teach the student everything they know, not everything the master knows themself.
I would like that only if he doesn't betray me like malak
Help me find him, and maybe he will!!
As overpowered as Starkiller might seem, in a battle of wills, he doesn't hold a candle to Revan. The man withstood 300 years of mental and physical torture from Vitiate with the aid of the Dread Masters, with his own willpower being great enough to utilize his connection with the emperor to influence Vitiate's actions, all while sustaining himself with nothing but the force. Now THAT is willpower.
Eh. I think they're pretty even in this regard given Galen resisted Sidious's telepathic influence.
And that in and of itself is impressive, yeah. But Vitiate had the mental capacity to dominate literally 8000 sith lords and brainwash them into performing his ritual. It was more often than not his first method of attack. Just look at what he did on Ziost. And the dreadmasters are arguably the six most powerful battle meditation adepts in history. I would put Revan's feat above Marek's. But that might just be my bias talking as an avid player of SWTOR.
Will Reno Was it confirmed that Vitiate telepathically forced them to do the ritual? I thought he just convinced them via politicking/charisma.
Here's a quote from Vitiate's wookiepedia article: "But when the eight thousand Sith who answered Vitiate's call arrived at his palace, he dominated their minds and bound their wills to his, forcing the Sith to participate in the ritual."
Will Reno I'm interested in finding out what the source for that was.
Still Kaan was able to telepathically influence an order of 20,000 Sith Lords and Bane was able to resist him. Sidious is of course far superior to Bane both via quotes and the logic of the RoT line itself. It seems that such a feat may not scale additionally but rather exponentially based on a Force user's power in the Force.
A good example of that being C'baoth failing to TP Luke and Mara but taking control of 20,000 officers in a fleet. Or Sidious's ability to zombify the inhabitants of Byss ( around 20 billion ) but not being able to fully dominate Luke.
Interesting to think about and compare.
"Revan was power. It was like staring into the heart of the Force. Even then, you could see the Jedi he would slay etched on his soul."
―Kreia
Coming from Kreia, I'd say that's a pretty strong comment in regards to the Revan's force strength arguments.
Yup.
+Christian Foxley "You could have been my successor!" - Darth Sidious.
:>
+William Henning Don't forget to add the words "My equal"
Forcystus5TSC And? Being Palpatine's successor automatically puts him above Sidious as a combatant.
Come on, we all know thats manipulation. Its equivalent to any character saying another character is "ultra powerful," "powerful beyond imagination." its bullshit.
We need a Darth Revan Movie.
Not a movie a trilogy
Mandalore The Ultimate
Indeed.If based on the game, the first Movie can be all about Taris ending with them going to Dantoine and telling him they will train him. Second Movie is them locating the maps ending with Bastilla getting taken and the big reveal of who we really are. The Final movie is locating the final map piece and ending Malaks reign.
+Mandalore The Ultimate YES
+Eric D. fuckin nailed it!!
hell yeah!
Am I the only one who watches these matchups for the history lesson?
No. I do too.
Don’t worry. I’m with you
Agree with you guys
Brock Collins nope I’m with u
They are good.
A drug addled, emaciated Revan was able to floor a full power Pre-Voice Vitiate fuelled by his own throne room and surrounded by force empowered bodyguards. With added visions of victory for Revan.
Then Revan Reborn returns "far more powerful than ever" when he'd already been described pre-reborn as being "one of the most powerful force users ever". This is including the fact that he now resembled an aushwitz victim due to 300 years of torture by Vitiate and an entire sith council.
He takes on the man who would defeat Vitiate plus the entire strike team, despite being a skinny emaciated mess, having absorbed and survived the force backlash of a machine that could destroy armies...and who kills him?....Himself
Logically
Revan Reborn > Vitiate
If that is the case then galen stands even less of a chance.
Also yeah this makes him overrated.....
Lol pretty much. The more OR stuff that comes out the more powerful Revan seems to be compared to Vitiate and friends.
+Colonel Sanders Yay me!
+Revan
Too many people are annoyed that a video game character is OP and popular.
The more info released the more stupid they look...
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+Colonel Sanders srsly Revan is a girl :l check the cannon
Man keanu reeves would be an aweseome revan 😁
Yesssss Imagine if they made a revan trilogy
😑 Keanu Reeves as Revan?........😏☝ I don't think so.
If they kill the Revan dog...
bakugai but you can’t say that picture isn’t Keanu Reeves
If he channels his “John Wick” attitude than yes
As much as I love Galin and want him to win, I do agree that Revan would win.
I begrudgingly agree too. But I also firmly agree that Revan will not have an easy win and will not walk away in one piece.
I agree with everything In the video EXCEPT that Revan would win. Galin literally has super saiyan. If you take the feats he has in STTFO 2, when push comes to shove he becomes immortal for a limited amount of time, while also being nearly unlockable. It is a complete enhancement of his force, endurance, speed, strength, and will. I think that if he doesn't use that ability, he would lose. (I can't remember if this waswaht he says was his "prime" but I think when starkiller was in the sequel he was at his strongest, IMO.)
@@itriedtochangemynamebutitd5019 starkiller (the clone) would beat reven and Galen merek would lose
Revan infact would win.He didn’t just explore dark side of the force but light too.He unlocked many secrets of the force.He defeated Darth Malak.And dozens of dark Jedi.He even killed Jedi.He was brave enough to go and find vitiate to kill him.And was so powerful that he split into 2.I think he was powerful enough to defeat Sidius while Galin died doing that.Also the fact that he was in the times of old republic makes him more powerful.If you don’t get why it makes him powerful do some research on ancient sith and times of the old republic.
@@cheesestyx945 Galen Marek is stronger than his clone according to Antoine.
They need to remake knights of the old republic
+TooMuchAwesome all I ever found was fan made games
TooMuchAwesome [OLD CHANNEL] It's also fan made. And surprisingly well made. And it's in the first person!
@TooMuchAwesome [OLD CHANNEL] Where is it?
@TooMuchAwesome [OLD CHANNEL] No such thing exists. And yes, I acknowledge the fact that I have replied three years late.
GigatronusPrime
Fam I was soo confused looking at their lies 😉🤣😂
Revan has arguably just as much speed and quickness as Starkiller, but far more experience and far better tactics. Not to mention he allegedly knows all 7 forms of lightsaber combat where as Starkiller only knows 3.
So yeah, I'd say Revan has this one 7 or 8 out of 10 times.
The only thing Starkiller has going for him is brute strength...maybe durability as well.
Any Jedi/Sith has knowledge of all lightsaber forms. Knowledge is much different from applied skill.
Antoine Bandele
There's a difference between knowing the forms and merely knowing OF the forms. All Jedi and Sith know OF the forms. But they pick and favor more specific ones usually.
Only the greatest ones have even the slightest possibility of mastering all 7.
And folks tend to forget that mastery of all forms is not a _perfect_ applications of those forms. The two do not correlate. However, in this specific comparison, Revan is the type that uses them all at the right time with mastery but he's no infallible like any other Niman generalist.
Antoine Bandele
Main problem with Niman is that it lacks an extreme attribute to dominate the fight with.
I'd say the most overall effective form is Form V: Shien/Djem So. It can handle multiple bogeys, utilize brute strength when needed, and can deflect laser fire.
I somewhat agree. Form V if counting both variations has variety. Tho Djem So is made primarily for dueling and not geared towards fighting multiple opponents,but it's not necessarily weak at it. Form V in general does have a good amount of diversity
"I have fought Mandalores and armies of the Dark Side. You won't stop me!" -Revan
Jack Mehoff "I've defeated you once I will do it again!" -Galen Marek.
Nope he won't
I liked that flashpoint xD
These two badasses are reasonable and kind at heart. What a team they would have been.
I can destroy planets.
If the creators said Revan is more powerful than me, then Galen does not stand a chance.
Darth Nihilus Keep in mind that his power kept growing. given more time he could take down anything.
If Galen had a chance to study ways of the force I believe he would bitchslap Sidious in final battle in TFU.
Darth Nihilus
Don’t listen to the creators you’re stronger than revan
You can kill all of the life not the planet
Darth Nihilus yeah but force drain was all you had, once you get past that you were an extremely average sith and would be pummeled by either of these 2.
overrated, they may be. but both have amazing fucking stories and are probably my favourite legends characters
Agreed. People like to hate on both of these characters because of how powerful they both were. But they were definitely two of the best and my two favorites.
SFAras™ finally someone who seems both as equally awesome characters even if one is stronger then the other
Saaame. finally, i love em both
Revan deserves the praise he gets because he's basically the classic RPG protagonist that's destined to be the strongest in the end, walking on the line between the light side and dark side, and brought people together using his cunning, charisma, and power, and all this he did not for power but because he felt it was right to stand against the invading Mandalorians rather than listen to the Jedi who were willing to just stand by and letting the Mandos rape and pillage the galaxy. Galen Marek is a self-insert of Kratos or some shit
Ikr starkiller, my fav
The Balance of the Force. Who is the true master of the light and dark? Two overrated characters deemed overpowered, let's bring them back down to earth.
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Antoine Bandele Crossover : Luke Skywalker after ROTJ vs Green Lantern (Star Wars vs DC)
That's actually a good idea.
_I kinda wonder if Emperor Vitiate vs The Spectre would be a mismatch, as Vitiate was able to destroy Ziost._
Antoine Bandele I am sure you already have other projects lined up, but do you think Lucien Draay vs Darth Malgus would be a viable match up?
Fight suggestions:
Boba Fett Vs. Jango Fett
Luke Skywalker Vs. Rahm Khota
Jango Fett Vs. Han Solo
Chewbacca Vs.Zaalbar
Leia Vs. Padme
Rancors Vs. Acklays
Mace Windu Vs. Revan
Darth Maul Vs. General Grievous.
*****
>I'd say Boba wins. He had the teachings of Jango himself, as well as that of countless other bounty hunters to rely on. Plus far more experience, I'd think, picking up more jobs under the Empire than Jango would have under the Republic.
>Luke wins that one quite comfortably.
>Jango, no contest. Han has so few tools at his disposal, and if you take it to the skies Slave 1 has superior firepower to the Falcon.
>I'm not familiar with Zaalbar. I can't comment. Chewie vs Zeb would be interesting though.
>Hard to say.
>I don't know what Acklays are.
>Tough to judge. Maybe Revan.
>I think Darth Maul wins quite comfortably.
Randoman590 Boba, you forget, was bred with Jango's exact DNA. Luke would not win so comfortably as Kota had much more experience and talent with the force. Han is a much quicker shot than Jango and is a possible force sensitive. Zaalbar was an ally of Revan after his mind was wiped. Zaalbar was also a wookie. Acklays are a creature native to Vendaxa, and could be found on planets like Felucia. You can see Obi Wan fight one in the arenas of Geonosis, big green beast. I wouldn't say Maul wins so comfortably, but I believe he fought Grievous and won in the cartoon now that I think about it. starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Acklay
***** Luke as grand master of the new jedi order was better than master yoda in his prime. So i think force wise, he would beat Kota
***** It would depend on which Luke you would use against Kota. Otherwise legends luke would stomp kota and the opposite for the former. A more balanced fight would be Ki adi mundi vs. Rahm Kota.
Tyler Beckett It would have to be a fair fight, so I'd say somewhere between episode 5 and 6 Luke Skywalker.
I see so much hate on Galen Marek, he's a great sith turned Jedi but from what I here revan could beat him
People tend to get butthurt when someone challenges the idea of their favorite winning/losing to someone.
Presented by facts my dude.
Starkiller pretty much stomps Vader and the Emperor one after another. He also pulls a Stat Destroyer out of Lower Orbit. He also kills a member of the jedi high council. In the DLC he kills Obi Wan, Luke(Pre Yoda) and a Trained Leia. He's way more stacked than anyone realizes.
Galen Marek was never a sith to begin with
@Thanos The FARMER No, you're just a bandwagoner
REVAN! REVAN! REVAN! REVAN! REVAN! REVAN!
eckabacken9 I was chanting Revan, not Palpatine.
Tahkaullus01 Yeah, Revan. The guy who tried to commit the worst genocide in galactic history.
eckabacken9 At the bidding of a six hundred year old Sith Master who didn't know how to let go of a grudge. Do you blame the gun for the bullets it fires?
Tahkaullus01 Revan did not do it at Vitiates bidding, he did it himself as retribution against Vitiate.
eckabacken9 Whilst still lacking his true sense of self that had been lost after Vitiate mind raped him.
Revan survived 3 games.
Starkiller suurvived 1 game.
Revan wins
Not to mention starkiller was heavily buffed due to plot and Revan was nerfed in the game but if they both didn’t have their nerfs and buffs Revan neg diffs just tosses marek like a doll
All you guys saying that Palpatine and star killer, Luke etc. are the greatest force users ever obviously have never heard of Darth Plaguies who could literally create life with the force. And Revan stood toe to toe with a Sith emporer who was millennial in age and who could literally drain entire planets of all there life, this Sith emporer was perfection in every aspect and the fact that Revan almost beat him just blows Starkiller out of the water. Revan would toast star killer. It's not even a close fight.
+Ultronicplasma
It depends haters use the angle that Revan was "rag-dolled" but seem to forget he was drugged, totured and weakened by the throne room.
Vitiate on the other hand was pre-voice, at beyond full power and powered by his throne room. He was sent to the floor with a force blast and floored again by his own lightning before Revans capture.....
+TheJulkkis he killed Plagueis in his sleep.
***** yeah, after. he doubted he was powerful enough that he had to kill his master while he was sleeping.
***** it's the principle of the thing. at least Malak was deceitful when he attempted to kill Revan. killing someone in one's sleep just seems, i don't know, a cop out in my opinion to what could have been an epic battle between the two.
***** he disguised his actions and manipulations through muddling the Force for YEARS. even in the Legends, which the Sideous novel and all New Republic stories are the Ysalamiri creatures that can negate the Force in a radius around them. creatures he used later in Legends where he cloned himself and transferred his consciousness (Force ghost) into.
in conclusion: he COULD have done something different (however it was written by an author) but went with killing his master in his sleep instead for numerous reasons that seems like a cop out.
Revan was known to be capable of combating a half a dozen force users at a time. How could Revan not win?
Do you even know who Starkiller is? Why underestimate him? This dude pulled down a Star Destroyer with relative ease and was able to match both Vader and Sidious.
Relative ease? LOL! What game were you playing? First off, he was STRUGGLING like hell. Second, he didn't pull the Star Destroyer down. He GUIDED it down. BIG DIFFERENCE. Meanwhile, Revan casually flicks asteroids thousands of miles away from orbit out of the sky
Trafalgar Lawn I know right. Obviously this "J Star King" lives in the "Bizarro World" because I don't remember it being relatively easy.
It was actually all 8 classes plus a couple of other people. REVAN STOMPS
At the end of Shadow of Revan 8 people fight him those are:
1) Satele Shan
2) Theron Shan
3) Lana Beniko
4) Darth Marr
5) Jazargo (the Wookie)
6) Shae Vizela
7) The (future) Outlander
8) A companion of the (future) Ouylander
These are the people that fight against Revan
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You know, if you're still doing these versus videos. I would like to make a few suggestions --->Starkiller's Clone from Force Unleashed II V.S. Kylo Ren, Kylo Ren V.S. Darth Vader, Luke Skywalker (episode 6) V.S. Revan and last but not least, Kylo Ren V.S. Obi-Wan-Kenobi. It would also be cool if you could find an animator who could make your battle scenarios.
the starkiller in FOII was not a clone. Although Darth Vader Managed to clone him at this time.
+Simon opdebeeck ua-cam.com/video/WuCHDrCOjko/v-deo.html
Kylo Ren is not well defined as a combatant. We’ve only seen him in one duel, a duel which was mired in circumstance by way of plot convenience, injury and psychological turmoil.
+Kedunad Ethiarien we need to see more of Ren particularly uninjured to get an accurate sense of his combat abilities
So to me Galen is more volatile than Revan, more of a loose canon than Revan ever was. His raw destructive power trumps Revan. Vader trained Marek to have the most volatile application of the force. Only a Jedi whose ally was the force, and was in harmony with the living force would beat a Galen Marek.
The Dark Times was a difficult time, probably didn't do Marek any favors as you say.
Revan would have to be at his best with his harmony intact, otherwise because of how forceful Marek was raised, he'd be too defensive to prevail.
I disagree with star killers fighting analysis, he seemed to be driven by emotion too often than not and unable to keep a level head. This could lead to revan taking advantage of this in combat. Giving into his anger would amplify his dark side ability but would lead to irrational attacks and leave openings in his defence for revan to exploit.
Woody has spoken. Case closed.
Revan would wreck starkiller. No one in star killers Era has known any measure of the war Revan has survived and won through. Even Anakin could not match it, not even close. Palpatine may be the greatest darksider, but being a sorcerer and a warmaster are two different things entirely. Revan won the mandalorian wars, nearly won the sith wars for the Sith, and then defeated his own progress and won the sith wars for the Jedi, virtually singlehanded (in most cases). And we haven't even left KOTOR 1 lore.
Revan lived in a time of war and devastation which would make the current galactic struggle look like a bad skirmish, he was the skywalker of his time, he is likely born of the exact same phenomenon. In fact, at his true peak and center, Revan was likely comparable to Grand Master Luke Skywalker, though not greater. He was sith and jedi and more, and thats just the first game.
I tend to agree. Whenever I think about Palpatine's claims of being the strongest and Anakin being The One, I always think there's the caveat: "in recent times".
Pure speculation and based of their comparative feats an inaccurate assessment. Defeating armies in battles with your own forces is inferior to defeating entire armies on your own. Something Galen has accomplished.
Not entirely on his own (although that's an option in the game too), but let's not forget Revan's assault on the Star Forge, assisted only by two of his friends. And the trail of bodies that were left behind in getting to that point, as well.
Corranhorn122 Galen is alone as is confirmed by both the novel and comic. I'm not trying to take away from Revan's feat. I'm just saying that Revan defeating armies with allies does not make him superior to Galen. It might make him a superior field general/tactician but it doesn't put him ahead as a personal combatant.
DudeWatches I'm sorry but simple because you do not like a character that has no bearing on their capabilities as combatants.
Revan's companions were either Force users or trained warriors. Neither Juno nor Proxy ever aided him combatively.
This is a really well made video, however I believe Revan would have absolutely anihilated Galen. Revan's tactics force ability and experience were far greater, with potentially only Galen's agility and speed being greater than Revan's.
I have to agree with that. Experience and discipline can take you far. I still think it won't be an easy win, albeit still a win.
Agreed 💯
Remember revan brought the republic to its knees
I think Reven would win indeed but not like that. Merak has years of training and months of actual combat. Reven has decades of training, decades of actually combat and not with just old broken jedi he fought the greatest masters of light and dark of his day as well as real mandalorians not broken fetts. The advantage of experience can make worlds of difference in combat as well as it can in many other realms of life.
I don't know if you listened to the Revan Expanded Lore but his force lighting was able to completely disintegrate a powerful Darth (i do apologies as i forgot the name). Not only that but Revan's own lightning briefly outmatched vitiate in a fight they had :) I hope this helped in some way :)
+Techno Mancer In fact that doesn't even go far enough - he disintegrated Darth Nyriss with her OWN lightning.
He redirected her lightning and amped up the power with his.
Darth Nyriss
Not to mention that he actually absorbed the entire thing before throwing it back at the sith lord
@@CarnageRulez469 did a little bit of research, and found out which force Power she used, Force Storm. And Revan also absorbed It, mocked Nyriss a little then redirected It at her, turning the Sith Pureblood into ASH. (Please don't quote me on this, as i said It was a Very little amount of research. Even so, hopefully i was able to help shed a little light into the exact situation that Revan did the Desintegration.)
:)
Disney: these characters you feel for are not real
Me: THEY ARE REAL TO ME!!!!
"In my book: Experience outranks everything." Sums this up.
For Galen's dueling skills, you could say he was a Niman user as well. He may not have been very moderate, but he combined multiple styles, and weaved Force Abilities into his strikes.
I might have liked old Revan but not the dark side shadow that lingered.
I find Galen Merrick's move into the light out of seemingly impossible darkness personally inspiring.
Imagine revan taking starkiller as his apprentice. or the otherway round it don't matter. I personally think that it would be awesome
I feel you forgot that Force Drain could be used to offset Galen's ability with pain tolerance. It is a demanding force power, but Galen has no defense against it, and it would heal Revan while wounding Galen. The games show that Revan can use it in combat with lightsaber wielding foes. Also, Revan could use Force breach to crack Galen's force defenses, a technique Galen himself never uses.
Revan, in lore, never used drain against enemies who were on or close to his level of power. So he might not be able to use it against powerful force users
I didn't play SWTOR for quite some time but I believe Metra Surik was the reason he was able to use drain. Also if you were to refer to the games Revan and Galen come from than Galen did display impressive feat breaking Vaders, Shaak Ti, Kota, Kastsin Paradus's force wall.
Bruce is right. This is further backed up by Krayt attempting to drain GM Luke in Apocalypse but failing to weaken him considerably given their comparative power.
William Henning Thank you
Bruce Jedi Lee Thankyou also for understanding force drain was accomplished by the help of Metra Surik (As I recall or its just some weird memories but I certainly don't remember him using force drain properly.) And he alone cannot do it himself
If Revan actually fought him I'd think he'd say he was one of his hardest opponents.
Me too. It will still be a win for Revan either way you put it but I am sure it will not be a battle where walks away in one piece.
He is my hardest opponent idk if i can even beat him
Something that is never brought up, Starkiller probably knows of Revan by studying older Sith archives
There is also an age and experience gap Galen was only 17 while Revan in his prime was 25-30
Bluesunday 25 now imagine if starkiller/Galen reached full training by the same age 🔥
@@alejandroledesma905 Revan still stomps
@@khotunkhan3950 fax marek has higher floor but Revan has higher ceiling
does any body else watch a star wars show and just compare them to garen malek
galen marek
SaintKing Alm III yup
Everything I watch
Galen could probably kill most of the people I compare him to.
@@maddoglukas8510 I know right? I mean, he can beat the emperor, he can pull an entire Star Destroyer out of the sky,He can lift an AT-CT up with the force, he defeated Lord Vader the chosen one, and surely he can take on an AT-AT if he can force pull a Star Destroyer.
I love the way you put the fights together. Its almost like listening to an audiobook. And the visuals fill in the gaps and make me REALLY PICTURE what's happening. And the music choices are great!
Thanks Stephen.
I compare star killer to Obi Wan, both having inhumane levels of pain tolerance, except much more offensive, and Obi Wan being way more defensive
The main difference being Galen is far more powerful. :P
William Henning
Obi-Wan chose to focus on a different part of the Force which eventually allowed him to become a Force Ghost. Obi-Wan is more powerful than most realise, but because he didn't focus on the combative uses of the Force, this is not easily seen.
I would say that Galen had a higher potential than Obi-Wan, and had he had longer to train and more years to focus, Galen would have been a truely daunting Force user and would have been one of the most powerful in history. His limit was that he died many years before he could meet his full potential.
***** That's very true. Actually it's confirmed that this is the case in an issue of Insider which states he has the potential of Luke Skywalker.
William Henning
I assume you mean that Galen had the same or similar potential as Luke Skywalker rather than Obi-Wan.
***** Yep.
Damian Wayne™ Revan vs Starkiller, Kotor vs Force Unleashed.
Dude Revan would smash Galen. If we're going by game logic then Revan has force wave, force storm, drain life. Lol it wouldn't be fair
Gray ForceUser Never go by game logic in fights, that's stupid. It doesn't make any sense to have them fight in their video game forms, it doesn't work or translate over well. I didn't even say Revan would lose either.
I know. You said Galen Mercec: force unleashed and Revan: Kotor so I thought you were referring to there game forms
+Gray ForceUser he was
A
Alex Mohseni lol that's what I thought but he said he wasn't. Anyways no harm done
Not saying that Galen should have won but the fact that the comparison was a 300+ year old legend against a early 20’s prodigy kinda shows how powerful Galen could have become.
doesn't anyone else think that the fight would favor revan way more heavily?
I'd love to see revan vs thrawn in a battle of tactics and strategy, say a fleet battle with evenly matched fleet.
lol "endurance was not an issue for revan", best line in the whole video
Bastila Shan would agree
actually starkiller can mix the force with his lightsaber abilities better then revan. he can use the force in His hand and transfers it into his saber and you can't deflect that when a saber with lightning in it is coming towards you with such power.
Gameplay mechanics, not feats.
This is by far, my favorite fight on this channel. I would pay good money to see this animated.
I still refuse to recognise Bioware's butchering of KoTOR 1-2's canon, especially regarding Revan.
The creator of KOTOR, Drew Karypnshyn did that himself.
Why would he do that though? It lowers Revan from a guy doing what it took to meet a goal, to being someone's bitch.
Initiially that's how Revan's story starts ... but Revan and Malak broke away from Vitiate's spells and were working under their own accord.
From a narrative perspective, it makes for a stronger story that Revan and Malak were acting of their own accord.
After reading up on Vitiate's lore, i am convinced that omitting everything to do with that character can only help the overarching story.
+Crom Tuise was not impressed with the kotor mmo ending with Revan
Revan, hero of multiple wars, Grey jedi, so force sensitive that he was able to almost take over the mind of one of the true Sith race, and able to mind fuck and curb stomp Palpatine AND Darth Vader with his eyes damn near closed at the same time.
Garen Malak, unique force sensitive almost as strong as Darth Vader, was Vader's best trainee, the real one who ACTUALLY started the rebellion against the empire.
...............yeah..... Revan would destroy him.
+Jake Fernus Hunter (Boundedsumo) "So force sensitive that he was able to almost take over the mind of one of the true Sith race" What? No he wasn't.
Crub stomp Vader and Palpatine? Palpatine would curb stomp Revan with one hand while taking a piss with the other. Vader would stomp Revan as well.
Yeah, Galen would destroy him
Mr33500 you obviously don't know the story of star wars or Revan and the Old republic then, I suggest reading it/playing it again.
respond, and I block you as I have better things to do than trying to reason with some whiny child that thinks everyone should believe as he does.
Mr33500 I warned you
Shinya Kogami uhhh, reread my comment, I never said that Palpatine was the sith lord of the old Republic
+Mr33500
He was able to manipulate vitiates mind... Where do you get your info?
Of all the Versus Series guys, you have the best voice. Everyone else seems to have issues speaking for some reason.
Agreed. Plus the volume is just right.
Mudoh415 Oh trust me, I have my fair share of slurs and flubs. But thank you. Though I think Reti4 and GreyJedi91 have much nicer voices than I do. But I prefer my editing, mixing and all that jazz.
Antoine Bandele my fav out of your little team are you and evan
Ah, two of the most (if not the very most) beloved characters from Legends.
Actually Starkiller wasent redirecting a star destroyer he was trying to crash it into the planet which he succeded in doing.
"What it felt, he felt, too, and even a small acceleration had a profound effect of such a large scale. It resisted with all the momentum it possessed. Hatches swung open; rivets popped; bulkheads twisted; pipes burst.
The Star Destroyer didn't appear to have moved much in the sky. It was still coming in low on the horizon, aiming to pass over him and strafe him from above. He shifted his hand a second time, but instead of changing its course he mistakenly gave it a slight tumble. He needed to apply the Force the right way for this to work, taking the growing forces of friction and the shifting of its center of gravity into account. A spinning Star Destroyer would do more damage than one burying itself nose-first into the cannon and its superstructure. Damage was good, when it came to destroying the Emperor's handiwork, but too much damage could destroy him and perhaps the Rogue Shadow as well under a deadly rain of molten shrapnel."
_Source: The Force Unleashed by Sean Williams_
Galen did not bring down a Star Destroyer. He re-directed an already crashing one. And when he did, he did it through applying a the right kind of pull, not a grand one. "He needed to apply the Force the right way for this to work"
But sure, let's say he did pull down the Star Destroyer of his own accord. This still speaks nothing to his applied ability mid-way through combat. He could not penetrate his enemy's Force walls, not Kota, not Shaak Ti, not Darth Vader. And that's what counts with one's combative Force abilities.
Revan, by contrast, could break through the Force walls of the greatest Sith Masters of his time.
ok then what caused the star desroyer to start crashing?
Raxus Prime was a construction yard for Star Destroyers. During the bombardment this happens:
"He described the scene in as few words as he could, unable to tear his gaze away from the sight of the disintegrating ship yards. Huge, molten chunks were tearing free and tumbling either out into deep space or down into lower orbits while further explosions continued to tear the facility apart. The scaffolding around the nearly completed Star Destroyer had bent and torn completely away, leaving the ship free to power down into the atmosphere of Raxus Prime."
_Source: The Force Unleashed by Sean Williams_
Fair enough I only played the game of The Force Unleased so i didnt know there was such a differance in the story.
+Antoine Bandele i find it confusing because in the Force unleashed ps3 version the star destroyer is is hovering and trying to pull away from Marek. when Marek then gets a good grip of the destroyer he forces it to crash.
now in the ps2 version Marek just finishd fighting two siths and directly after the that he spotts han forces the destroyer to hit a this giant looking space laser that is used to forge star destroyers but the importend part about this this version is that marek had full control of the Destroyer crashing it into an object without being in danger and leaves the planet with no problem.
so i ask you what version is cannon?
P.S. i know my english is not great
If you look at the force unleashed II E3 trailer, you can see that Starkiller can also turn everybody within an 8m (26,5 ft) range or so (not very good in estimating distances) into ash and killing everybody that stood farther than that.
That was Starkiller. And yes, there are actually differences.
xenezort That's not Galen in that trailer
Clone Trooper Commander Doom ok, idk what happened with all the clones, but don't they have the same abilities?
xenezort Starkiller was an advanced clone. He had abilities like his advanced mind trick and force fury which Galen didnt have
Clone Trooper Commander Doom ok, I changed Galen Marek in my comment to Starkiller
Before I watch this video (posted 10 seconds in) I believe that both of these characters are very balanced towards each other in similar ways, tied between the dark side and light, the Jedi and Sith. Both having similar characteristics, such as dual lightsabers, using both sides of the force to their advantage and how powerful each one is, I believe will be a great and close "match".
Man all these characters deserve some homage... they were so good!
As of SoR Revan is within the top 5 force wielders only Luke, Sideous and arguably vitiate could defeat Revan Reborn.
Revan wins this.
I've heard once that Revan wasn't even at his full power when he fought Vitiate. I might be wrong though,
emperor K that’s a game and that wasn’t grand master Luke skywalker at his full potential
Nice name
In what world would Luke beat Revan???🤔🤔🤔
In no one😉
To me, the story of Revan from KOTOR was always what Lucasfilm should have made happen with Anakin. They seem so alike in so many ways. Revan will always be my favorite from that era.
Ok I have 2 brilliant fight ideas.
1.StarKiller vs Legend Grievous
2.Boba Fett vs Durge
There's nothing really that Boba would be able to do against Durge. Star killer Vs Legends Grievous however would very interesting.
It would definitely be difficult but I'm sure he has some explosions to at least weaken Durge, and lets not forget when he fought Darth Vader himself.
peterthesneakybastar He FOUGHT him.Don't for a second think that Boba could have EVER beaten him.
Haha Vader could beat 5 Bobas but it is still extremely impressive to survive blows from a Sith Lord with such power. He said to be the most power bounty hunter in the universe.
peterthesneakybastar Grievous should be able to close the distance between himself and Galen quickly enough so that Galen can't begin wrecking shop with his force powers. Once he closes the distance Galen is done for.
Close combat is definitely Grievous
At range Galen should be able to take a couple of matches.
Grievous 6.5/10.
At first I thought this channel to be a simple rehashing of the common comparison-by-round videos, but staying through the entire video rewarded me with in-depth commentary and a thought-out theoretical duel. Props to you, sir.
Thank you. That's much appreciated.
theory: galen's mind was put into a clones body
I mean ... yes ... that's what happened.
Just gets tons of clones to beat Revan
Didn't watch this but RIP Galen Starkiller Marek
Why?
William Henning because in terms of power a,d a unity he's weak to revan
How? What feats of Revan are above Galen's own?
William Henning Well, how about being so powerful that when you 'die' the evil part of you says "Nah fam" and creates a cult to destroy the galaxy. Also he lived for like 400 years.
And he's Revan
Antoine Bandele
Hey, Antoine Bandele.
This was great. I'd even like to see how Galen Marek fairs up against Jaden Korr from Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy.
It's one of 10 I've suggested for you to do next in future.
I can't wait to see Legends Grievous vs PROXY, or Canon Grievous vs Pong Krell.
Seeing the greatest of the Grey Jedi do battle with one another would be nothing short of astounding.
I just love starkiller favourite person in all of Star Wars so good with force and lightsaber dualing and he broke out of the dark side and joined the light
Imagine if Revan had taken Starkiller as his apprentice. Such awesomeness would have ensured.
Indeed.
Jon Harper OR even better if galen was a his adopted son!
please make a fanfiction about this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
REVAN REBORN owns both Galen and Vader. He was born out of the force itself.
Somebody needs to animate your description of this battle. Cause it's awesome.
Next year I'm trying to implement motion comics for some of these.
Excellent. By the way, do you accept requests? If you do I'd like to see Batman vs Big Boss. Ideally when their both in their prime. And to make is more fair I'd go with the Arkham Knight Batman and Big Boss as he appeared in either Ground Zeros or Phantom Pain. I believe the match up would be quite the epic battle between the two most capable human being of their respective universes. I have thoughts on how the fight would go, but you're the expert and I would love to hear your thoughts on the matter.
Just a small glimpse at how OP tor made Revan...
Revan can beat the combined strength of Darth Traya and the Jedi Exile (Meetra Surik) in battle.
"If the Exile could defeat Kreia, Revan would have an easier time of it. (; United with the Exile, Kreia and the Exile vs. Revan? My money’s still on Revan, since in my mind, Revan was a master strategist as well as an extremely powerful Force wielder."
―Chris Avellone (Knights of the Old Republic 2 Head Writer)
"So my opinion is that Revan could kick the Exile’s ass..."
―Chris Avellone (Knights of the Old Republic 2 Head Writer)
A comparison of Revan's Raw Power
compared to Dooku ect. At:
www.comicvine.com/profile/darthant66/blog/revans-raw-power-comparison/97193/
Revan is able to Combat a collation strike force, consisting of the greatest Sith, Jedi and Mandalorians. Including The Hero of Tython, The Emperor's Wrath, Darth Marr, Grandmaster Satele Shan, Lana Beniko, Theron Shan, Shae Vizla, Jakarro and squads of elite Commandos, on Yavin 4. He overpowers the entire strike team during various parts of the battles, despite their power and skill being "greatly " amplified by Satele's mastery of Battle Meditation.
+Colonel Sanders
Revan was the most powerful Sith Lord in history, alongside Darth Sidious and Darth Caedus.
"The Star Wars universe has created some truly vile dark side villains. Have you ever wondered what would happen if the most powerful Sith Lords (Darth Sidious, Darth Caedus, and Darth Revan) duked it out for supremacy of the galaxy?"
―Lucas Arts/Wizards of the Coast: Sith Showdown
+Colonel Sanders
"Revan is one of the strongest Force-wielders ever."
―Chris Avellone (Knights of the Old Republic 2 Head Writer)
+Colonel Sanders During the Battle of Malachor V, Revan called upon the power of the planet from orbit. Despite the distance, Revan was able to draw on the power and unleash it onto both the Republic and Mandalorian fleets. In this act, the Mandalorian fleets turned to disarray and the battle itself was completely turned in favor of Revan's faction. For the Republic fleet, thousands of Jedi and Republic soldiers became corrupted and mindlessly loyal to Revan's cause. Just imagine the power Revan would have harnessed!"Revan used the Trayus Academy to influence the battle above Malachor V, using its power to affect the tide of battle and corrupt others to the Sith. "―Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic 2: The Sith Lords"Revan is able to draw upon the dark side energies of the planet below and use it during the battle... Simultaneously, more and more Jedi, unable to ignore the power emanating from the planet below, become corrupted by its influence."―Star Wars: Chronicles of the Old Republic
+Colonel Sanders Revan could absorb, channel, and influence the enormous power of the Temple of Sacrifice's Machine Core to where it would have created a resonance that killed anyone within a one kilometer radius of him, including even Darth Nox - instantly. This was also an highly advanced demonstration of a Force Bond."Through masterful control of the Force, Revan has created a Force resonance with The Machine's core, and is channeling its power into an immense attack."―Star Wars: The Old Republic
Revan is considered overrated and overpowered? I don't think I agree with this for several reasons. First, I want to address the fact that I think that Revan is one of the best Star Wars characters overall (ignoring his appearance in SWTOR). I don't like him because of his power or abilities but because of his importance and influence to the galaxy as a whole. He changed it completely by being what he is, a leader. He lead the Republic against the Mandalorians (a powerful force to be reckoned with) against the council's wishes, saving the galaxy. He lead the REMNANTS of his decimated fleet against the Republic and grew enough to establish a stable Empire, and then he saved the galaxy once more by leading a small group to defeat Darth Malak aboard the Star Forge. He absolutely changed the galaxy in a way others would never even imagine was possible.
Now, the reason I think he isn't overpowered is a simple one. He was a prodigy in the Force from a very young age and accomplished several impressive feats in his life. However, we must also think about what would be considered a prodigy in his era. That era was a time when the Jedi were not all that impressive. Masters of the order were few and far apart. Remember that the Order was almost destroyed only40 years prior during the Exar Kun War. The greatest examples of powerful Force users would be maybe Kreia, The Exile, The Jedi High Council, Master Vandar and Darth Malak (pre Kotor 2 btw). All powerful in their own right, but few really qualifying to be really powerful force users. When contrasting this era to one filled with great masters, such as the Clone Wars (Obi Wan Kenobi, Mace Windu, Yoda, Kit Fisto, Count Dooku, Darth Sidious, etc) you can see that a prodigy would be a much more impressing thing. Take Anakin Skywalker for instance. He was considered the chosen one, a master of the force, a natural and with amazing abilities. To be considered this amazing he would have had to be compared next to masters like the ones previously stated and that is truly amazing, to surpass such standards. Back to Revan, he was powerful in the Force and had extraordinary abilities for sure, but when compared to other masters from other eras, that is pretty average for a high class force user. Not average in his time mind you, but seen as great and above all other standards. His abilities with a lighsaber were in his time exceptional, and here I do think that he deserves to be seen as a great master in overall Galactic History with incredible fights with powerful adversaries such as Mandalore the Ultimate and Darth Malak, even though most of his other fights would likely be against much lesser foes than him. And his Force abilities were strong for sure but I wouldn't put him as a ridiculously powerful character, in fact, I think that if he ever had to face against, say, Obi Wan Kenobi then he would have a very hard time and would most likely lose (ignoring the progression of techniques that would obviously happen in over 3500 years) but it would be close.
Revan's true strength comes from his mind. His ingenuity, his knowledge, his intellect, his willingness to make sacrifices and ,most importantly, his leadership. He saved and conquered the galaxy not by his individual feats, but by his ability to convince and lead individuals and make some true change in the galaxy. Without allies, he wouldn't have accomplished what he did. Kreia even said it herself. She saw the same thing in the Exile, and saw that that would be the deciding factor to how influential they could be. So, in conclusion, I don't think Revan is as strong as most people think. He is powerful indeed, strong enough to content against many of the Masters in Galactic History. However, his greatness doesn't come from raw power or ability. Revan is not a one man army, he is one man that leads armies to change the Galaxy forever.
ComanderScar Also PLEASE MAKE KOTOR I AND II HD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
+ComanderScar We shouldn't just ignore SWTOR.
I mean, he got his ass handed to him twice. He tried to commit the worst genocide in the history of the galaxy. He is responsible for the destruction of Ziost and the deaths of thousands of Imperials and Republic civilians.
Hate to break it to you, Revan was good. But he was not great. Revan was skilled and all, but he was not even the most powerful duelist alive, nor the most powerful force user.
***** Yeah, Disney can go fall in a Sarlaac pit for all i care. Selfish sons of hutts.
But it does count, yes, Revan was not himself when he did it.
But he still did it.
He still tried to eradicate 97.8 quadrillion people based on their race, and that is not cool.
They're calling HIM overpowered.
galen is op in the game. this is biased
Galen is not overpowered, he is overrated.
Both
Read the novel, he's not OP at all, simply overinflated by fans because of gameplay mechanics.
He just has so much abilities in the game which makes fans like it so much. Like the repulse ability or the different types of force lightning abilities just makes him overrated really easily.
+Antoine Bandele he may not be as powerful,but still pretty powerful right?
This was the first ever videos of yours that I saw and it's by far my favourite, I utterly enjoy how you do the vs series and this is my all-time favorite.
Thanks Lawson! Here are some my favorites:
ua-cam.com/play/PLDFq63aBi3_x9Yv0zGF_S-XhRug0g6qKW.html
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"Bushido is realized in the presence of death. This means choosing death whenever there is a choice between life and death. There is no other reasoning."
- Yamamoto Tsunetomo
Revan wins: Pyrrhic Victory
revan vs anybody........revan....near god abilities.
No. He is in the same leauge as Bane, Vader, Krayt, Galen and Windu.
+Bruce Jedi Lee oh you clearly don't know what you are talking about.. Why are u talking about windu and vader being in the same league as krayt and bane? Concerning galen marek i would put him a bit below vader in terms of power, and revan is obviously above windu but beneeth krayt and bane
+Bruce Jedi Lee
Almost all of those guys you mentioned are above Galen. Overall I'd agree that Revan either is or near equal to guys like Windu, Dooku Vader , Bane, Krayt, and Kun.
Dude, he couldn't beat Vitiate, and Vitiate is weaker than Palpatine and Luke, so how is Revan in the same league as those two?
Are you fucking serious? Vitiate electrocuted and nearly fried Revan with his Force Lightning. Revan was almost dead at that point. After that, Scourge backstabbed Revan. The fuck are you talking about.....Go do some research yourself.
Revan all the way.
Dude, you have to know that I love your versus videos! I learn so much Lore behind each character and their pasts! Keep up the great work! Definitely worth a like and subscribe!
Thank you! Welcome to our dysfunctional little community of misfits.
What we all need to realize is this:
These two might be legitimately unstoppable if the pair worked together
Teaming up? Me and him?
WHAT AN EXCELLENT IDEA
I loved TFU, and i love KOTOR. Revan is by far my favorite Force User, the first Grey Jedi, whom i adore. But all in all Revan could beat Galen in a fight no problem. I think it wouldnt be as close as you stated, but rather Revan getting in a decisive blow with his lightsaber through his superiority in Lightsaber dueling, then using his superior force powers to beat Marek down eventually making Galen Marek unable to fight, before finishing him off with a final fatal blow. But of course they are both beat by Sidious, lol.
Do remember - Galen Marek gets the edge physically. He's very durable - partly due to Darth Vader's extreme training, and also due to his tactics in Soresu. So he can take a lightsaber hit. But his lightsaber and Force defenses are lackluster at best.
Thats the point, Starkiller can take ALOT of hits, but Revan can deal more hits than Galen can take.
I feel like u guys disregarded Galens ability with the force a little I do agree revenue was stronger but galen would have more of a chance the u guys said he would and remember galen almost killed sidious only dying to save his friends
Austin, if you use the game as "proof" its not. The game was over-exaggerated to allow more fun gameplay.
Mackenzie Braden I wasn't
Even if we take away the overpowerness.
I still claim Revan.
Why? The facts.
Revan had many masters. Revan had many battles. He joined a war and with his help turned the entire thing around.
Galen was trained by Vader. He had plenty of fights. However, I wouldn't say they were on par with the war Revan was in, nor the enemies. Not saying Revan's enemies were A LOT stronger, but they were mandalorians. Basically the toughest and ruthless race out there.
I mean if we go by games...well...they both were extremely overpowered lol. I mean malek forced a Star Destroyed to crash.
And book wise, Revan took on the sith Emperor and actually stood his ground. Unless we are going to claim the ancient emperor was a wimp.
But again, going off books and games...we get crazy. Basically fanfic and blah balh. Who is more godly .
El Ski I feel like Iridorians are more dangerous than Mandalorians, I mean even the Mandalorians don't like them.
so far this is in my opinion the best video you have made, my 2 favorite force users facing off against eachother, i didn't want either person to win
Thanks Stay.
Starkiller infused the force in his lightsaber strikes i never seen revan do that
Revan ! DUh ! Why even ask such a stupid question !
Starkiller could have been the next Revan, but he died way too early. Revan wins
thanks for the support
He could have been the successor of the RoT line actually according to Sidious and an equal to Luke Skywalker according to Insider.
Darth Revan Can you beat Yoda my friend
Comedy 123 no
no, his more powerfull version never die, DARTH STALKER
I'd love to see your analysis of a fight between two of the SW Universe's most inept characters, whomever they would be.
Those two as master and apprentice would forge a new and terrifying force order to shake the galaxy to its foundation in any age.
Anony Mash They would work really well together.
Anony Mash Revan as the master right?
Antoine Bandele Now I'm wondering if Darths Revan and Malak against Galen and Vader would be a decent 2-on-2.
wristofkings I'd make it Vader and Sidious. Both Revan and Galen have defeated Malak and Vader, respectively. Although, that fight depends on whether we're using reasonable Sidious, or "I am death destroyer of worlds" Sidious from the EU.
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Well Vader bitchslapped Malak in one of Evan's matchups, and Revan just beat Galen here (though not a decisive stomp by any means). I was thinking along the lines of Darth Revan against Vader while Malak contends with Marek. There's a tactical element here too, as the Old Republic duo are used to working as a team. Not so much Vader and his Sith apprentice.
Putting Sidious in that battle would be pointless, as he can dominate anyone in the room even without his DBZ-like feats from the EU.
revan would kick Galen's ass no question
(Imagines revan cut in half with Luke standing beside him saying yup starkiller killed me in. A dlc really sucks) haven't played the dlc ipbut the last time a checked starkiller kills luke
Starkillers force wall might not have been great but he was able to break free of Vaders grip with a slight use of force repulse.
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Wow, really long video for my tastes, but I thoroughly enjoyed it. Well thought out. Lots of research, evidence, and examples to everything you put in. First video of yours I've watched, but probably won't be the last. These are two of my favorite force wielders so far. So I was really happy watching all of this. ^_^
Yeah, with more recent videos I've tried to shorten the length. Welcome to our dysfunctional community of misfits! Check out some of my other videos!
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I am a starkiller fanboy...but i aggre that Revan would win
Starkiller matched the master of force lightning and faltered for a moment. Sidious was the best at using force lightning.
I want to see Revan vs Mace Windu. The Battle of the balance Warriors
Yes me to
I win do you agree... Wait i don't care if you do
While I don't argue with the outcome, I would like to mention that Galen's style of combat was *exclusively* honed by fighting Jedi and other lightsaber wielders. But like you mentioned, it could be attributed to his use of offensive force use
There is no one stronger then me !
+Darth Revan Hell yeah! Go us!
+Darth Revan There are some that are stronger than you..
In star wars there arent then let me be exact
Darth Revan Vitiate is stronger than you. Sidious is also stronger than you. 2 examples
+Mr33500 Vitiate is dead "killed" which tells us about power :), revan btw just left everyone there is no place that says he's dead just he vanished, Sidious isnt even near Revans power, he was suprised of Anakin's power in the movie intro when he become vader and got enraged. Which means sidious isnt stronger then vader. Vader is child to Revan. + Sidious is an old man that has only force lightning as power and some other powers that dosnt need explanation cuz they arent that great, where Revan has 1 arsenal, just pick 1 force power in star wars and Revan has it. Revan is hybrid, he knows both good and dark side of the force, a hybrid who made anyone acknowladge his power, even the greatest of the greatest masters said that revans power are unreal. The only way to fight him was to weaken him and to gain power of the ancient....but still even that didnt work on him ;) .
Kreia/Darth Traya, has to be my favorite character from the KOTOR series, anyone else agree?
Señor Peñor no
Lol
Starkiller is my favorite Star Wars character💯
I have missed ur star wars vs series videos man! Great job great characters 2!
Both of these guys are better characters than Rey
It was unknown of Galen Marek's true midichlorian count because Sidious had outlawed midichlorian count practices
Ismael Ciulla all we know is that it's less than 20,000
probably around 15,000-18,000
Killerninja Maybe 19,000
Ismael Ciulla no definitely not.
he can stand up to the emperor sure but I belive it would be below his count maybe slightly higher (Vader was 14,000-15,000 and emperor was 16,000)
Killerninja Well we'll never really know what his midichlorian count was
Ismael Ciulla more than the emperor
Can you please do Darth Revan vs Darth Vader? Theyre my favorite characters/siths
This was awesome by the way
There's not much point since its obvious that Revan would win
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Depends on
If its vader from OT then yes Revan
Of its vader from ROTS then its hard
I think i got this
In the Force Unleashed Galen deliberately makes the rebellion on Vader's orders to distract the Emperor so they could continue in secret