I do wonder which ones makes the more cash tho. The episode, or his job as an actual doctor. Implying it's not a non-profit hospital and all the patient paid the bills
@@myheartwillstopinjoy8142 it's a double joke. On one hand the situation she's in is depressing, hence "blue", on the other,her heart doesn't pump too well so poor oxygenation gives skin a bluish tint, hence blue.
I missed this kind of drama in house episodes. The last few seasons on the show focused almost entirely on house's mental health, but this kind of playing on the edge and moral greys were what got me in love with the show.
I actually also really liked the last few seasons as well. It was interesting to see what made house tick. I also loved the ending because we don’t know if House faked his death to spend time with Wilson before he died or if House was just a figment of Wilson’s imagination.
Life cycle of a House patient: 1. Strange but seemingly-minor symptom. 2. Inconclusive diagnosis. 3. Severe symptom #1. 4. Ineffective treatment #1. 5. Severe symptom #2. 6. Ineffective treatment #2. 7. Patient deteriorates to near-death. 8. House Eureka moment. 9. Patient is cured of primary illness (may still die of something else, though).
0. House argues with one of his team members about how this episode's case is boring and not worth it untilthey mention one particular symptom which catches house off-guard and gets him interested.
One-Minute Metal I don’t understand lupus jokes, I’ve watched the entire thing twice now and he only mentions lupus like once a season. He mentions cancer way more often than that.
The only Ethic that house abides by is doing what's best for the patient. Breaking into their home, lying to them etc are all step to figuring out what is wrong with them and saving their lives. That is always his end game. But now the hospital is going against that buy using them to further research when that option isnt what is best to them. That is why he has an issue.
It's funny they think House only saves 1 patient a week cause in reality his discoveries and methods used and found from saving that patient can help other doctors save more people. House broadens the symptoms and reveals what signs can mean.
@@chrisjackson1889 that's just generally how medicine works. Probably not through House personally, cause he's too cool to care about that, but the rest of his gang would 100% routinely write into medical journals about their crazy cases.
@@chrisjackson1889There was a whole multi episode conflict between Cameron and Foreman about how foreman published an article about how they saved a little girl with a seemingly crazy idea when she had told him that she was gonna write about that one. It was somewhat implied that she “called” that one as in others had been written about.
@EestiRöst you haven't seen the finale yet?? It is certainly one of the best endings of any long running show and puts the endings to shows like Seinfeld, Mash, Game of Thrones, to shame.
When I first watched this episode, I was only beginning my ED recovery journey. I cannot tell you what it meant to see House fight and risk everything so that a patient with an ED could have a chance at life. It still gets me emotional to this day. It's also the episode that proved to me, without a doubt, that House cares about people. Love this show, love Gregory House.
@@irmaadams7780 They found out about her real problem, but House pretended to have not realized that before the transplant (nobody was convinced). Don't remember about the coat thing I think he eventually did for a little bit, not sure if it was in that episode though since the plot with the billionaire spanned several episodes
House is exactly right in the beginning though. Because now every patient is looked at as a possible candidate for Vogler's drug. Whereas House just looks for the best possible treatment for the patient. This will obviously compromise patient care. You tell 'em Greg ma man.
Its a pretty grey area. Afterall, if we cannot test new medications for its possible benefits/side effects, then our range of medical treatment stagnates. No new treatments can be supplied. I've taken a few courses on the ethics surrounding medical research, and all medications (in theory) go through rigorous lab testing prior to human trials. And in human trials, they have to prove not only is the drug effective in humans, but that it is not worse than what is currently available. There is even a clause where if the drug is found to be so much better than the current treatment, the control group is switched to the new drug. Of course, the inverse is also true. If the new drug is too toxic in humans, the test group should be switched back Now obviously, there is a flaw with the system, that being humans. They'll try to push the medicine to be used, treating every patient as a nail for their hammer, when some patients would require a screwdriver. Some may believe that the risk is worth it when reality it is not. Its the unfortunate aspect of it all, if we want to continue advancing treatment options and abilities, gambles must be made. Now, some drugs are made for specific illnesses, so they'd only look for patients with said illnesses. And from there sprouts treatments for the really rare stuff, stuff that would be hard to make a return on the investment. I believe they are called orphan drugs. In those, the government actually tries to help by giving some special clauses and financial support behind them. Again, the lines between right and wrong get murky there. However, there is proof behind the concept. There is a book, "The Philadelphia Chromosome: A Mutant Gene and the Quest to Cure Cancer at the Genetic Level" by Jessica Wapner. It describes the history behind the decades of research the culminated into a treatment that I'd honestly describe as an almost Miricale cure. The plot synopsis is that in 1959, a discovery was made about a very aggressive and deadly form of leukemia, a telltale chromosomal error. It goes on to cover the years of unconnected research in history that eventually culminated in the tyrosine-inhibitor drug, Imatinib. Its been a while, but if I recall the lab testing for that drug was so-so, but the human trials went off swimmingly. It worked so well, that it changed the entire prognosis of Ph-positive CML from near incurable and a death sentence in 5 years' time, to something that can most often be easily managed and in some cases cured. People went form living debilitating lives where they would prefer to be dead, to near fit as a fiddle. Of course, there are still some side-effects, but compared to what CML felt like for these people.... it was an easy choice. Hell, the book mentions a few testimonials from the early clinical trial patients, where one couple took their jewelry out of the safe to put the medication in there, as they valued it so highly.... oh yeah, the drug was also easily made into pill form so you can just do treatment at home. The sad fact of reality is, human trials must occur, otherwise we cannot advance in medicine and give people new and better life saving treatment. If Imatinib hadn't gone through clinical trials, like it almost had been as there was worries about the profits and actual efficacy of the medication, then Ph-positive CML would still be a death sentence. Now, obviously I pulled one of the best examples to show the value of clinical trials. There will be many cases where the drug doesn't pass, and many more where people try to shot gun blast the drug over a hospital to see what happens. Hopefully in the future we develop methods that allows us to test the drug perfectly, without having to subject humans to it first. But for now, the grey area that is human clinical trials is a necessity to our understanding and advancement of medicine.
"I'm asking if you want to live or die Do you want me to cry? Yes! I want you to tell me your life is important to you because I don't know. Because thats whats on the table. One of the most powerful scenes
True that. But for a change a great example to show thay house does care about people and he was sincerely trying for her to recognize and accept how valuable her life is. @@wildandbarefoot
While I hated Tritter more than Vogler Tritter's character is how most of us would react like if we experience something like he did...or simply if we have a doctor like House...😂
If this was a horror movie Forman would be dead. When you come into a room and someone has their back to you and won't say anything, you know something bad is about to happen. Why was she trying to keep the pain quiet? She's in a hospital that's the best place to scream because doctors will run to help you.
So lemme get this straight. Saving patients with rare diseases every week is pointless, but using a Hospital as a clinic for using his medication is completely fine, as long as you have the money to back up your claim. Welcome to the Medical Industry.
It's a numbers game. House, according to the show, saves 52 people a year. That is a very low amount of people for a 3 million dollar department. Clinical trials can save many lives in the future at the cost of trial and error and side effects.
Yeah but then his character arc of him experiencing worse pain and becoming more cold and calculated because of it wouldn't have happened. seeing his decline was way better than seeing no change and missing his arc altogether.
He always cared about his patients, even a husband's patient. Dude almost broke down when the atheist guy prayed to God because "If I didn't then I didn't do everything I could to save my wife."
In fairness, their hospital is a lvl 1 trauma center, they probably hear a lot of that, plus they knew a doctor was in there so for all they knew, he just delivered some terrible news
House has very clear ethics. He will do nearly anything to save his patient. Running drug trials could compromise that. I don't understand why the writers had her character so clueless about House in this episode.
@@SallyBMcgill 5 to 9 illustrates that for all she complains about House he’s only 15% of her day, and he’s 15% guaranteed to go right in the end which makes him desirable
Because they had different definitions of the word "ethics". He was talking about his own personal ethics. She was talking about standard care ethics in the medical industry, which he regularly flouts, because he doesn't agree with them. Ethics aren't one size fits all.
It's less 'clueless' and more... stuck between a rock and a hard place, and trying to fight her way out of it. And sometimes, acting clueless is a good defense for that.
It really depends on the situation and if something happened that required his attention. If he was not required at the meeting at all, then probably. Otherwise, it's uncertain as far as I know.
Chairman of the Board...not sure if that makes a difference or not. Possibly it does because he now controls the money spending for the entire hospital.
@Michelle Goodrow status, not counting a status that would ruin the organ after being donated, isn't often grounds to denied organs. It just determines your spot on the list. Getting lower on the list by not being an emergency or deemed less of a priority than others is what it gets you. Which for some people is as bad as being denied.
I think this was pre-HIPAA. A fair point, though. Vogler's position as Chair of the Board might enable him to sit-in on the theory that; a) he's already legally committed to the patient's medical privacy, and; b) his interest in overseeing the proper running of the hospital outweighs the risk to privacy created by his presence in the meeting.
Much of this explores how people value the number of lives vs the inherent moral value of a single life. Cuddy points out how House is willing to compromise ethics to save one life, but condemns it for many lives, but the issue is with the latter it's at the expense of a single life. House breaks the rules to get patients the treatment he thinks they need, versus the latter would be pushing patients into potentially harmful treatments for an ulterior motive outside of that patient's care. That context is *extremely* important, because it's the life and well-being of the patient being sacrificed for said numbers. Later, Vogler asserts that House's department is a waste of money, despite the fact that House is saving the lives of patients that have very complex cases. Specifically, Vogler says how the money should being going to cure cancer, which again is a statement of how saving many lives is more important than the lives of a rare few patients. The implication then is, that individual lives have little worth, that the moral value is in the numbers and it's something I would say is dehumanizing. Rendering people as stats, and neglecting the right to life, even in rare cases. The thing is, a many don't have the right to life because the many isn't a living being. An individual lives. An individual thinks and feels, and someone like Vogler disgusts me.
@thatonespathi i agree especially since it's kind of hard to decide who decides which lives we risk.. Now days unfortunately the decision lies in the hands of the rich (in my world rich also includes the powerful) And usually the rich become rich on the backs of the many
@@smurfyday the hell does belief in a deity have to do with anything? Are you implying atheists don't value life? Because I'd actually argue atheists value life more than theists, since, as house put it, "this is all there is"
@@smurfyday You do realize that atheists often don't believe in an afterlife and dont believe in heaven or hell? They also don't believe in attaining god? Arguably, an atheist would be the one wanting to stay behind.
@@IronLegionnaire1 They are Implying the exact opposite... House is an Atheist, and SMurfyday is pointing out how that's a reason for why he gets mad at her patient when she doesn't value her life.
@@IronLegionnaire1 yeah you read too much into the first reply. They clearly meant they value life a lot due to their belief of this is IT. Not that others can't feel the same way but how can you claim to value life more when you have belief in the afterlife.
In the grand scheme of things, knowing how much all of their tests and procedures cost, is $57,692 per patient really that big of a price to pay? Imagine the recognition they get, and fund-raising they are able to do whenever they are able to diagnose and help cure conditions that nobody else, potentially in the world, has been able to. I hate this guy, because his words say one thing then his motives go against it immediately. You can't say that you're willing to write a blank check then immediately whine about the cost of one of the best people in the world in his field.
What gets me is that Cuddy knows that the department is overall financially beneficial for the hospital, but we never see her making these fiscal arguments to Vogler, instead appealing to his humanity. It makes for a better good vs evil narrative, but at the cost of believability that Cuddy wouldn't know how to appeal to Vogler's not-exactly-concealed interests.
@@chughes156 Yup, aka drama for the show. There are plenty of reasons she could have given instead of caving in, but they wanted a good versus evil segment.
Vogler in my opinion is worse than tritter ever was simply because he could directly affect what happened in the hospital. Also dude actually got Wilson fired when he was trying to protect House.
Also Tritter had a reason to hate house. House did actually make mistakes and made it easy for tritter. Tritter gave him the chance to avoid charges by going to rehab. After house beat Tritter, Tritter wished him good luck. Tritter was a good man doing bad things
Tritter is overly obsessed with House in the wrong way, thinking that House will sell drugs but we all know House will never do such thing, he LOVES his pain pills. However, he never says something like "Health care is a business and I will run it like one". I hate Tritter but I *despise* Vogler.
The cast made this show. It was the same format every episode with a few sprinkles of creativity here and there, but it didn’t need much else besides the cast and dialogue writing. Truly masterclass
This is probably one of the best episodes of the series, and this scene where House confronts the patient to find out if she wants to live or not is great. Also, the first season is the best of the entire show. House seems more serious, it's as if the tone of the series changed after this season. I always had that feeling.
@Nehemiah Scudder well I really dont have that choice cause I'm too young, but I actually have free insurance in state and have been admitted to my hospital 17 times over 150 days total and paid zero for that. What we have paid for are trips to specialists out of state or treatment not covered. $20,000 of that money was spent on three weeks in Minnesota at the Mayo Clinic. But I've spent that much money over 4 years and have only gotten worse :( I haven't been able to walk in two years. Honestly the problem with Healthcare is that it takes months to see a specialist and they can say "i can't help you" so then you wait another 2 months to see someone else, another month for certain tests to be done, another month to go back to the doctor, then another month for insurance to approve treatment, then try treatment for a couple months that doesn't work. Then you restart over and over, for four years.
My GP went to John 's Hopkins and he was a brilliant diagnostician . House is almost a direct copy of him except my doctor suffered PTSD from bring a stretcher beater at age 14 in the 1st WW. Often needed to go to a rest clinic for veterans. But being 6'5",very handsome,big blue eyes and super Demanding of all adults . Everyone was terrified of him but he was fantastic with me. I was dead on arrival but after 20 minutes he got me breathing. Then because my Mom had a very rare blood type and needed blood he got all sorts if administrators up in the middle if the night all over the country to try and find a match. This was back in the 1940's. Not only did he figure out what her blood problem was he kept me alive by getting wet nurses or burning Moms to take turns yo come to the hospital every 3 hours to feed me. My Mom was in ICU for 2 months and she lived . He too loved a puzzle but he hated idiots but was really gentle with kids. At 4 I was really not well . He finally figured out that I was on my way to becoming diabetic. He put me on a super stick diet that I stayed on until I was 25. I never became diabetic. He boiled up wild plants to save my life from whooping cough after trying every modern medicine for 6 weeks. Unlike House he did have a lovely wife ,a daughter and a son ,just like him. He worked up into his 90's. He continued to hold everyone's feet to the fire. His Dad had also attended John's Hopkins . His dad rode on horseback to treat patients in the middle if a snowstorm and deliver a calf on the side. These doctors really did exist. It is not all fiction.
She suspected House knew something as he was beating around the bush speaking diplomatically about the exclusion criteria. House is direct and Cuddy knew he was lying.
That lady really is a piece of art..... House was willing to risk losing his job to save her life, and even then she had the guts to question his motives.
7:19 "because that's what's on the table right now" you can hear Hugh struggling to hold back tears with how sad this scene is and how much he really needs to know to save her life. I wouldn't think House would get emotional but apparently Hugh often could in moments like this. He may share similar gloating type qualities to House but he's a completely different person.
House is incredible because he expresses zero empathy most of the time. But when confronted with big issues like mental illness or saving lives he is revealed to care for others
House exposed himself to get the medical license removed just because she cried asking to live. He is human and has feelings regarding the misanthrope attitude.
Biggest BS in episode is Cuddy's response to House's "I had a hunch" -> "You don't have hunches, You know" House works on nothing BUT hunches and Cuddy new that.
Is she saying it like ‘you, House, always know’ or ‘you as a doctor shouldn’t put people on transplant lists unless you know’ because it’s not clear to me now i think about it
To be fair, house is always considerate of the ethics of saving a patient, he uses unjustifiable means to meet the best end but he never means to hurt anyone. He wants the answers for the future of patient care. It might seem like he doesn’t care, but he does for the future of humanity but he’d never show it
I hate it when they do that.. oh your tests show nothing and so therefore you are fine! When you're doubled over in pain or paralysed from the chest down...
I enjoyed this episodes issue; house doesn’t normally show off his genuine concern for his patient in that way. Asking her if she wants to live because if she does, he’s gladly risk his career for her. It’s very fun to watch.
Reminder - the best, easiest and virtually only way to lie (excluding psychopathy), is to not lie. House does not lie in this scene. He tells the truth. Suicide is a risk factor, but after his confrontation he truly believes she is not a risk. He would rather not come down definitively, but when he is forced to, it is not a lie, it is what he genuinely believes. She does not meet any exclusionary criteria. Anymore. - And because of that, she deserves a chance as much as anyone else.
House is a world famous Doctor. People travel the globe to see him. He gives patients multiple tests and rounds of treatment that amount to nothing. He routinely uses and sometimes creates new treatments and diagnostic procedures that his team publish. He’s a magnet for rich patients who want the best doctor, who he is thus they come to PPTH, presumably many donate money after house saves them. So…..how exactly is it a financial black hole?
I am assuming it confirms the fan's theory about all the tests they run on the patient. The patient is probably only billed for the final treatment and tests that properly diagnosed the correct condition. Therefore, the hospital has to pay for all the other tests.
@@MathStringInputOutpu admitting I’m no expert I don’t think it works like that. The hospital would explain to the insurance company why the test was necessary and they would cover it. Rich patients like her would have great coverage. And the poorer patients he has probably does come out of the hospital pockets if medicade (or whatever it is) won’t cover it. Also house isn’t above lying on his files he send to the insurance company and cuddly isn’t above looking the other way. Like with the mobster or the baseball player.
Sometimes, just sometimes, you can see that House really, really cares. This is one of those times. It makes me a little sad that he even has to lie here, but even more so that he does. Not all heroes wear capes
It's all about finding the cure for cancer, yet people live and agonizingly die from understudied rare or undiagnosed diseases. They don't matter. As far as it goes with Volgler, if he's wanting a cure for cancer, this would be more appropriate for laboratory and research medicine. Doctors in hospitals have patients, not a mission to be the first man on the moon.
Vougler is a perfect representation of America's For Profit Healthcare system. Healthcare's not a right it's just a way to line some suits Pocket not Help People.
@@Fif0l His argument is a bit tied to the economical part, considering him being a bussiness man. His logic is that because you can take on easier cases, you can treat more people. But this also means that the sicker people are less worthy of a treatment because they require more time and bigger resources.
I watched pretty much every house clip before I watched the entire series.... ordered Amazon prime just to watch it and I’m sad I never saw it earlier. One of my all time favorite shows
This hit home pretty hard. My mom has congestive heart failure. Eventually she's gonna get to this point. Eventually it's gonna hurt, and hurt badly. And I don't want to watch that.
House does have a point. He bends the rules when it is needed and does it sparling and only when it is necessary. He doesn't throw clinical trials and experimental procedures around with reckless abandon. House did the right thing. He got right to the crux of the issue.
I watched house as a pilot and through to him losing his first team and imo the shows end. The show is incredible with tear jerking yet relatable life lessons.
House's department costs $250,000 a month to save four people. That is $62,500 per patient, per week. And each patient has a disease no one else can diagnose. Maybe half of the time, the patient picks this hospital specifically to get House. I think it's worth it to have one of the smartest doctors in the country at your hospital. Plus I doubt he makes more than 6 figures in salary due to the massive salary cut Cuddy enforces.
I know this is an early season, but Cuddy never understood House. Ethics actually really mattered to House, but his ethical code was a little different. He put the curing of the patient above all else. Invading their privacy, abusing his position and even them, if it made them better, was worth it. Lying and cheating are just tools he uses to advocate for his patients. His argument against what Vogler was doing was correct because it wouldn’t be the best thing for the patients. House should have remembered that Cuddy was willing to compromise her morals for 100 million dollars for cancer and other research, and should have know not to go for her, but the heart wants what the heart wants
3:41 as soon as he walked in the door thinking he had a game plan to pressure the director of the hospital who was already on his side he shot himself in the foot
This reminds me of something that this era of tv represents - urgency. Like in 24, where it's literally things happening in 24 hours, major terrorist plots are being played. There's no time to process someone, it's literally get the plan out of them by any means necessary or risk wasting precious time that they don't have. House's patients are suppose to represent that, where the patient is deteriorating fast, and most test will take longer than the patient have got to live, so they must throw treatment that might make things better as soon as possible. Unfortunately certain treatments are quite invasive and prep time for those are even longer. The TV writers should've emphasized more on the urgency and drama revolved around technical stuff when it comes to treatments vs testing, but it really just became a trope instead of invasive information gathering (like breaking into someone's house) to harsh treatments that is super unethical and could potentially kill the patient.
Vogler & Tritter were 2 of the most compelling nemesis's House had. In Vogler's case he was likable in the beginning, his reasons for wanting to invest in the hospital were relatable, but he immediately took a disliking to House without meeting him & made it personal, with Tritter he seemed like a bit of a bully from the start, confrontational & aggressive, not excusing House basically vlolating him with the thermometer but rather than doing his job making the streets safer he made it his mission to go after a doctor lol
I still don’t understand why he cared so much about her, in the whole series there were few but significant patients that House really cared about but the reason why he cared was shown implicitly but with this patient was really unclear for me
Edward Vogler is incredibly stupid for not seeing the value of having a team that can treat the most difficult to diagnose patients. Possessing a crack team that is a "silver bullet" to the untreatable is invaluable if leveraged correctly. This is especially the case for high-profile patients and I think there is an episode when a US senator gets treated because Vogler may have realized the same at that point. However, his viewpoint of just seeing the monetary drain of the diagnostic team versus the strong asset they possess speak volumes about his poor judgment and poor foresight. Imagine the publicity/fame Vogler could have gained had he just used the diagnostic team as a tool in his pursuit of glory instead of a threat. The most frustrating aspect is how Vogler could accomplish his goals without seeing House and simply ignore him and allow him to do his job. I think this is the biggest difference between Cuddy and Vogler. One saw him as a powerful (admittedly, very difficult to handle) tool and the other as a problem.
If the department costs 3 million dollars per year and saves 1 patient per week, each patient averages a cost of $57,692.31, not accounting for salaries of the doctors.
@Robert Terwilliger He breaks ethics to be moral. It wouldn't be ethical to ignore the conditions of a patient to give them the chance of a heart transplant if they had a history of self-harm, which might eventually throw that heart down the drain. However, it would be the moral thing to do. What he wanted was a pseudo-promise from the patient that would at least somewhat nullify the former, the history of self-harm, and justify ignoring that condition. House breaks his profession's code of ethics, a system put into place to purposefully undertake triage, to give aid to the patients that need it the most, and to determine who might be past the point of aid. e.g. a soldier's helmet is fused to his skull, what do you do? If a helmet got hot enough to fuse to a skull, the wearer is likely dead, so you don't need to worry about treating him. The ethical dilemma would come along as say, a buddy of this soldier comes along and asks you to check him. Do you waste your time checking a dead man, or do you continue treating patients who are actually still alive? The moral dilemma would come along when you find a very weak pulse. How do you even treat someone like that? Was he shot? How did the helmet fuse to his friggen skull? The moral dilemma is to treat or not when he is very likely not going to live either way.
I'm sure there were other more deserving heart recipient patients than this woman. Of course she was going to cry when House put it that way. He should have told the truth.
The question is not whether she wants to live. The question - and that is totally ignored here - is whether the person not getting a transplant because of House lying to the committee also would want to live. Uneven distribution of empathy ... as bad as no empathy. Or maybe worse.
For hitting a 10/10 on the pain scale, she really maintained her sense of dramatic timing to start screaming.
I always laugh at this scene because of that setup, was she just waiting for someone to come in front of her to start screaming her head off??
@@austinsmith5782 honestly though, just waiting for someone to ask if she's ok to go batshit
She was literally curling lmao. Real pain makes you speechless or gasping for air trying to hold it in.
@@fatty1040 I guess it stopped being real pain after Foreman finished talking.
@@Scarecrow545 Dumb asf 🤣
“He saves one patient per week” or in other words one patient per episode that airs once a week
I do wonder which ones makes the more cash tho. The episode, or his job as an actual doctor. Implying it's not a non-profit hospital and all the patient paid the bills
@@cypherusuh this is... fiction.. idk if u get that
@@cypherusuh he made 480,000 per episode. A radiology doctor makes that in a year. great thought experiment btw.
@@AlexWilson-mn1ud and..?
If they had just made an episode a day, he could have saved so many more lives. Greedy studio.
Is she depressed?
"shes a little blue, but apparently she needs a heart" LMAO
Why are there no replies?😂
Idon't get it
@@myheartwillstopinjoy8142 it's a double joke.
On one hand the situation she's in is depressing, hence "blue", on the other,her heart doesn't pump too well so poor oxygenation gives skin a bluish tint, hence blue.
House lying while telling the truth.......kinda. 😂😂😂
@@bflkurby1 lmaoo. Sounds like something he would do
I missed this kind of drama in house episodes. The last few seasons on the show focused almost entirely on house's mental health, but this kind of playing on the edge and moral greys were what got me in love with the show.
Spot on Cameron...Spot on.
I actually also really liked the last few seasons as well. It was interesting to see what made house tick. I also loved the ending because we don’t know if House faked his death to spend time with Wilson before he died or if House was just a figment of Wilson’s imagination.
@@agentmichaelscarn7460 unless they said that Wilson was having hallucinations, i think that is a disingenuous statement.
Agent Michael Scarn nothing ever suggested the latter wtf
@@oliviergrenier3574 AMS is very mightily confused. The OP said clearly they preferred the earlier season and AMS thought completely opposite.
Life cycle of a House patient:
1. Strange but seemingly-minor symptom.
2. Inconclusive diagnosis.
3. Severe symptom #1.
4. Ineffective treatment #1.
5. Severe symptom #2.
6. Ineffective treatment #2.
7. Patient deteriorates to near-death.
8. House Eureka moment.
9. Patient is cured of primary illness (may still die of something else, though).
Dude okay this may be somewhat accurate but this is so not how this particular episode goes
you didnt make a lupus joke
0. House argues with one of his team members about how this episode's case is boring and not worth it untilthey mention one particular symptom which catches house off-guard and gets him interested.
One-Minute Metal I don’t understand lupus jokes, I’ve watched the entire thing twice now and he only mentions lupus like once a season. He mentions cancer way more often than that.
@@andreayg0 neither do i, but its a running meme for this channel that house makes alot of lupus jokes.i seen him say it so many times
House- We must maintain ethics
Also House- Breaks into peoples home every week
Medical ethics, not civil ethics.
@@masters.1000 Both should be intertwined don't you think
Some of those homes provided clues that helped save their lives, otherwise they would have died.
@@Spikastru I agree, still doesn't make the act civil
The only Ethic that house abides by is doing what's best for the patient. Breaking into their home, lying to them etc are all step to figuring out what is wrong with them and saving their lives. That is always his end game. But now the hospital is going against that buy using them to further research when that option isnt what is best to them.
That is why he has an issue.
A donation is not a donation if there are conditions that come with it that becomes a contract
Every donation has some condition in which ways it could be used.
@@Zantonny This dude legit asked to be the hospital director
@@Zantonny well it is a teaching hospital so maybe that has something to do with the ammount being good
Nothing in this world comes for free.
Yes just give her a random heart
Hell if someone needs marrow give them it from the security you met walking in the hospital
It's funny they think House only saves 1 patient a week cause in reality his discoveries and methods used and found from saving that patient can help other doctors save more people. House broadens the symptoms and reveals what signs can mean.
Thats a good argument. But does the show give us any clues his discoveries are used elsewhere?
@@chrisjackson1889 that's just generally how medicine works. Probably not through House personally, cause he's too cool to care about that, but the rest of his gang would 100% routinely write into medical journals about their crazy cases.
@@chrisjackson1889There was a whole multi episode conflict between Cameron and Foreman about how foreman published an article about how they saved a little girl with a seemingly crazy idea when she had told him that she was gonna write about that one. It was somewhat implied that she “called” that one as in others had been written about.
@@chrisjackson1889 every medical procedure done on zebra cases are always documented and published. It would be stupid not to
It's why that on guy was wrong.
House is not House if he wears a lab coat.
This girl gets it
Yeah you are totally correct
well sometimes he’s the best in the clinic with the coat😂
Otherwise, House will just be Office 🤷🏾♂️
Korrect
I have almost finished watching House M.D. on UA-cam.
You miss a lot doing it this way
Lol.. never seen a complete episode
Same . I saved the last 5 episodes for a special day
No you haven't. It is just well edited to make you feel that way.
@EestiRöst you haven't seen the finale yet?? It is certainly one of the best endings of any long running show and puts the endings to shows like Seinfeld, Mash, Game of Thrones, to shame.
When I first watched this episode, I was only beginning my ED recovery journey. I cannot tell you what it meant to see House fight and risk everything so that a patient with an ED could have a chance at life. It still gets me emotional to this day.
It's also the episode that proved to me, without a doubt, that House cares about people.
Love this show, love Gregory House.
erectile dysfunction?
@@itsmealaska9089 *eating disorder
@@itsmealaska9089 I was about to ask her that 😂😂😂 “How does a female get erectile dysfunction?”
Did House get caught and did he wear the coat? Can you please tell me how this episode ended?
@@irmaadams7780 They found out about her real problem, but House pretended to have not realized that before the transplant (nobody was convinced). Don't remember about the coat thing I think he eventually did for a little bit, not sure if it was in that episode though since the plot with the billionaire spanned several episodes
House is exactly right in the beginning though. Because now every patient is looked at as a possible candidate for Vogler's drug. Whereas House just looks for the best possible treatment for the patient. This will obviously compromise patient care. You tell 'em Greg ma man.
It's like Immanuel Kant's philosophy about how human beings must be treated only as an end and never as a means
Its a pretty grey area. Afterall, if we cannot test new medications for its possible benefits/side effects, then our range of medical treatment stagnates. No new treatments can be supplied. I've taken a few courses on the ethics surrounding medical research, and all medications (in theory) go through rigorous lab testing prior to human trials. And in human trials, they have to prove not only is the drug effective in humans, but that it is not worse than what is currently available. There is even a clause where if the drug is found to be so much better than the current treatment, the control group is switched to the new drug. Of course, the inverse is also true. If the new drug is too toxic in humans, the test group should be switched back
Now obviously, there is a flaw with the system, that being humans. They'll try to push the medicine to be used, treating every patient as a nail for their hammer, when some patients would require a screwdriver. Some may believe that the risk is worth it when reality it is not. Its the unfortunate aspect of it all, if we want to continue advancing treatment options and abilities, gambles must be made. Now, some drugs are made for specific illnesses, so they'd only look for patients with said illnesses. And from there sprouts treatments for the really rare stuff, stuff that would be hard to make a return on the investment. I believe they are called orphan drugs. In those, the government actually tries to help by giving some special clauses and financial support behind them. Again, the lines between right and wrong get murky there.
However, there is proof behind the concept. There is a book, "The Philadelphia Chromosome: A Mutant Gene and the Quest to Cure Cancer at the Genetic Level" by Jessica Wapner. It describes the history behind the decades of research the culminated into a treatment that I'd honestly describe as an almost Miricale cure. The plot synopsis is that in 1959, a discovery was made about a very aggressive and deadly form of leukemia, a telltale chromosomal error. It goes on to cover the years of unconnected research in history that eventually culminated in the tyrosine-inhibitor drug, Imatinib. Its been a while, but if I recall the lab testing for that drug was so-so, but the human trials went off swimmingly. It worked so well, that it changed the entire prognosis of Ph-positive CML from near incurable and a death sentence in 5 years' time, to something that can most often be easily managed and in some cases cured. People went form living debilitating lives where they would prefer to be dead, to near fit as a fiddle. Of course, there are still some side-effects, but compared to what CML felt like for these people.... it was an easy choice. Hell, the book mentions a few testimonials from the early clinical trial patients, where one couple took their jewelry out of the safe to put the medication in there, as they valued it so highly.... oh yeah, the drug was also easily made into pill form so you can just do treatment at home.
The sad fact of reality is, human trials must occur, otherwise we cannot advance in medicine and give people new and better life saving treatment. If Imatinib hadn't gone through clinical trials, like it almost had been as there was worries about the profits and actual efficacy of the medication, then Ph-positive CML would still be a death sentence. Now, obviously I pulled one of the best examples to show the value of clinical trials. There will be many cases where the drug doesn't pass, and many more where people try to shot gun blast the drug over a hospital to see what happens. Hopefully in the future we develop methods that allows us to test the drug perfectly, without having to subject humans to it first. But for now, the grey area that is human clinical trials is a necessity to our understanding and advancement of medicine.
Crescent Hammer: Sure, it’s a wrench. But any tool is a hammer if you need it to be.
@@darkraiking680 incredibly well put. Thank you. I'm a pharmacist myself and totally agree with you
"I'm asking if you want to live or die
Do you want me to cry?
Yes! I want you to tell me your life is important to you because I don't know. Because thats whats on the table.
One of the most powerful scenes
I felt like he broke character a bit there, he didn't look like House for a few seconds.
@@L.Spenceragreed. He should have been more flip about it instead of emoting.
True that. But for a change a great example to show thay house does care about people and he was sincerely trying for her to recognize and accept how valuable her life is. @@wildandbarefoot
This show was brilliant at getting you to hate certain characters. Vogler, Tritter etc. Really good writing.
And Gregory House
I hated Vogler, but I sided with Tritter.
While I hated Tritter more than Vogler Tritter's character is how most of us would react like if we experience something like he did...or simply if we have a doctor like House...😂
Ahhh I’m not alone Volger and Tritter must be the most unliked guys around town
And best of all, those characters weren't over the top villanous types, they were just extremely realistic control freaks.
If this was a horror movie Forman would be dead. When you come into a room and someone has their back to you and won't say anything, you know something bad is about to happen.
Why was she trying to keep the pain quiet? She's in a hospital that's the best place to scream because doctors will run to help you.
@McLarenBMW Actualy she was quiet because she wanted to get discharged from the hospital as soon as possible because she was a workaholic.
You must have never met the doctors in my area.
She was also probably withholding the pain due to the location. It got them closer to her cuts.
Sometimes pain is bad enough that screaming doesn't even occur to you as a thing to do.
Ah yes, the episode where Chase starts snitching on House because he rightfully called him out for Angiogramming the wrong leg.
So lemme get this straight. Saving patients with rare diseases every week is pointless, but using a Hospital as a clinic for using his medication is completely fine, as long as you have the money to back up your claim. Welcome to the Medical Industry.
It's a numbers game. House, according to the show, saves 52 people a year. That is a very low amount of people for a 3 million dollar department. Clinical trials can save many lives in the future at the cost of trial and error and side effects.
Don’t blame the whole industry for the actions of a fictional character you’re meant to hate
@@jimmy2k4o You’re meant to hate him because he represents predatory industries
@@hedgehogcuber6848 Sure but those rare diseases need diagnosing, treating, and solved too. Heart attacks used to be “rare” and now…
Yeah, that’s the thing about this guy… its not just about the business, it’s about control.
Saw: "Live or die"
House: "Lie or die"
Jigsaw was lie or die too
My mom:"learn or die"
This is the real House they should have kept over the seasons. He cared about his patients, not the case itself.
Yeah but then his character arc of him experiencing worse pain and becoming more cold and calculated because of it wouldn't have happened. seeing his decline was way better than seeing no change and missing his arc altogether.
He always cared about his patients, even a husband's patient. Dude almost broke down when the atheist guy prayed to God because "If I didn't then I didn't do everything I could to save my wife."
@@xyrenegade what episode was that?
@@thorl8354 S3 Finale where he fired everyone. S3E22 iirc
@@thorl8354 could search for "House miracle episode"
Not sure the logical explanation of that episode tho, since they didn't provide any.
just proves that House really does care about his patients, even when they aren't his patients
1:48 I love how they can scream their lungs off and won't come by to see what's wrong until a doctor yells for them, they have clear line of sight
In fairness, their hospital is a lvl 1 trauma center, they probably hear a lot of that, plus they knew a doctor was in there so for all they knew, he just delivered some terrible news
@@eragonawesome Yeah, if you run to every room with a screaming patient, you’re gonna be running and that’s it
House has very clear ethics. He will do nearly anything to save his patient. Running drug trials could compromise that. I don't understand why the writers had her character so clueless about House in this episode.
Cuddy is just very annoying sometimes. She values money over patients, basically 😒
@@SallyBMcgill 5 to 9 illustrates that for all she complains about House he’s only 15% of her day, and he’s 15% guaranteed to go right in the end which makes him desirable
Because they had different definitions of the word "ethics". He was talking about his own personal ethics. She was talking about standard care ethics in the medical industry, which he regularly flouts, because he doesn't agree with them.
Ethics aren't one size fits all.
She understood, but she was having cognitive dissonance because she was trying to justify her own actions.
It's less 'clueless' and more... stuck between a rock and a hard place, and trying to fight her way out of it.
And sometimes, acting clueless is a good defense for that.
It's episodes like this one that lets you know that he really does care about his patients, even if he doesn't like to show it.
The ending is best
Patient: why did you do all this for me?
House:…………..you’re my patient.
Question. Isn't that a HIPAA violation for vogler to walk in on the transplant committee?
I’d also like to know the answer for this. Unfortunately I cannot provide the answer to this question.
It really depends on the situation and if something happened that required his attention. If he was not required at the meeting at all, then probably. Otherwise, it's uncertain as far as I know.
Chairman of the Board...not sure if that makes a difference or not. Possibly it does because he now controls the money spending for the entire hospital.
@Michelle Goodrow status, not counting a status that would ruin the organ after being donated, isn't often grounds to denied organs. It just determines your spot on the list. Getting lower on the list by not being an emergency or deemed less of a priority than others is what it gets you. Which for some people is as bad as being denied.
I think this was pre-HIPAA. A fair point, though. Vogler's position as Chair of the Board might enable him to sit-in on the theory that; a) he's already legally committed to the patient's medical privacy, and; b) his interest in overseeing the proper running of the hospital outweighs the risk to privacy created by his presence in the meeting.
Much of this explores how people value the number of lives vs the inherent moral value of a single life.
Cuddy points out how House is willing to compromise ethics to save one life, but condemns it for many lives, but the issue is with the latter it's at the expense of a single life. House breaks the rules to get patients the treatment he thinks they need, versus the latter would be pushing patients into potentially harmful treatments for an ulterior motive outside of that patient's care. That context is *extremely* important, because it's the life and well-being of the patient being sacrificed for said numbers.
Later, Vogler asserts that House's department is a waste of money, despite the fact that House is saving the lives of patients that have very complex cases. Specifically, Vogler says how the money should being going to cure cancer, which again is a statement of how saving many lives is more important than the lives of a rare few patients. The implication then is, that individual lives have little worth, that the moral value is in the numbers and it's something I would say is dehumanizing. Rendering people as stats, and neglecting the right to life, even in rare cases.
The thing is, a many don't have the right to life because the many isn't a living being. An individual lives. An individual thinks and feels, and someone like Vogler disgusts me.
Wanna do both
That unfortunately is where the trope “million is a statistic” comes into play
Bullshit, if House was the one arguing the opposite so would you
@thatonespathi i agree especially since it's kind of hard to decide who decides which lives we risk..
Now days unfortunately the decision lies in the hands of the rich (in my world rich also includes the powerful)
And usually the rich become rich on the backs of the many
One person's Death is a Tragedy, a Million is a Statistic - Joseph Stalin
House actually gets angry at the patient
He basically never shows any emotion towards patients, but he gets so angry that she doesn't value her life
Ultimately that's how much an atheist values life.
@@smurfyday the hell does belief in a deity have to do with anything?
Are you implying atheists don't value life? Because I'd actually argue atheists value life more than theists, since, as house put it, "this is all there is"
@@smurfyday You do realize that atheists often don't believe in an afterlife and dont believe in heaven or hell? They also don't believe in attaining god? Arguably, an atheist would be the one wanting to stay behind.
@@IronLegionnaire1 They are Implying the exact opposite... House is an Atheist, and SMurfyday is pointing out how that's a reason for why he gets mad at her patient when she doesn't value her life.
@@IronLegionnaire1 yeah you read too much into the first reply. They clearly meant they value life a lot due to their belief of this is IT. Not that others can't feel the same way but how can you claim to value life more when you have belief in the afterlife.
In the grand scheme of things, knowing how much all of their tests and procedures cost, is $57,692 per patient really that big of a price to pay? Imagine the recognition they get, and fund-raising they are able to do whenever they are able to diagnose and help cure conditions that nobody else, potentially in the world, has been able to.
I hate this guy, because his words say one thing then his motives go against it immediately. You can't say that you're willing to write a blank check then immediately whine about the cost of one of the best people in the world in his field.
What gets me is that Cuddy knows that the department is overall financially beneficial for the hospital, but we never see her making these fiscal arguments to Vogler, instead appealing to his humanity. It makes for a better good vs evil narrative, but at the cost of believability that Cuddy wouldn't know how to appeal to Vogler's not-exactly-concealed interests.
@@chughes156 Yup, aka drama for the show. There are plenty of reasons she could have given instead of caving in, but they wanted a good versus evil segment.
that's house for you. the pettiest of petty
@@zephyromenix8755 He's referring to Volger
I think Vogler was more upset that $150 (???) of his "donation" went to a white lab coat that isn't getting used.
Vogler in my opinion is worse than tritter ever was simply because he could directly affect what happened in the hospital. Also dude actually got Wilson fired when he was trying to protect House.
Also Tritter had a reason to hate house.
House did actually make mistakes and made it easy for tritter.
Tritter gave him the chance to avoid charges by going to rehab.
After house beat Tritter, Tritter wished him good luck.
Tritter was a good man doing bad things
Tritter is overly obsessed with House in the wrong way, thinking that House will sell drugs but we all know House will never do such thing, he LOVES his pain pills.
However, he never says something like "Health care is a business and I will run it like one". I hate Tritter but I *despise* Vogler.
@@franciscodetonne4797 healthcare is a business they don't make money they can't help anyone
love how Cuddy's pushing House, she knows the devil is up to something lol
more like the devil is in the room to pressure her into being more discriminating against house
She’s suspicious because he’s acting too professional, and he isn’t bragging about how he got his hunch.
@@jimmy2k4oliterally! U are the only othet one who has seen the show not just the shorts.
Kept hoping Vogler would wind up in the hospital for whatever reason, and in the end owe his life to House.
That would have been awesome. He was a good antagonist to House would have been interesting to see how he'd react if House saved his life
It's always shown house will do anything to be right and is a jerk but one thing that has remain constant is that he cares.
And another thing that remains constant is that even if he shows it, he never directly admits it. lol
The cast made this show. It was the same format every episode with a few sprinkles of creativity here and there, but it didn’t need much else besides the cast and dialogue writing. Truly masterclass
This is probably one of the best episodes of the series, and this scene where House confronts the patient to find out if she wants to live or not is great. Also, the first season is the best of the entire show. House seems more serious, it's as if the tone of the series changed after this season. I always had that feeling.
Thank you for clearing it up.
I love how cuddy instantly knows house is up to something
I wish every hospital had a diagnostic medicine department. I would have been cured by now and wouldn't still be in over $50,000 in debt
@Nehemiah Scudder well I really dont have that choice cause I'm too young, but I actually have free insurance in state and have been admitted to my hospital 17 times over 150 days total and paid zero for that. What we have paid for are trips to specialists out of state or treatment not covered. $20,000 of that money was spent on three weeks in Minnesota at the Mayo Clinic. But I've spent that much money over 4 years and have only gotten worse :( I haven't been able to walk in two years. Honestly the problem with Healthcare is that it takes months to see a specialist and they can say "i can't help you" so then you wait another 2 months to see someone else, another month for certain tests to be done, another month to go back to the doctor, then another month for insurance to approve treatment, then try treatment for a couple months that doesn't work. Then you restart over and over, for four years.
@Nehemiah Scudder EU I bet
@@swimfast724 Remember that before you ever vote Republican.
@Nehemiah Scudder true, although lucky enough we have some of the best specialist hospitals in the world.
My GP went to John 's Hopkins and he was a brilliant diagnostician . House is almost a direct copy of him except my doctor suffered PTSD from bring a stretcher beater at age 14 in the 1st WW. Often needed to go to a rest clinic for veterans. But being 6'5",very handsome,big blue eyes and super
Demanding of all adults . Everyone was terrified of him but he was fantastic with me. I was dead on arrival but after 20 minutes he got me breathing. Then because my Mom had a very rare blood type and needed blood he got all sorts if administrators up in the middle if the night all over the country to try and find a match. This was back in the 1940's. Not only did he figure out what her blood problem was he kept me alive by getting wet nurses or burning Moms to take turns yo come to the hospital every 3 hours to feed me. My Mom was in ICU for 2 months and she lived . He too loved a puzzle but he hated idiots but was really gentle with kids. At 4 I was really not well . He finally figured out that I was on my way to becoming diabetic. He put me on a super stick diet that I stayed on until I was 25. I never became diabetic. He boiled up wild plants to save my life from whooping cough after trying every modern medicine for 6 weeks. Unlike House he did have a lovely wife ,a daughter and a son ,just like him. He worked up into his 90's. He continued to hold everyone's feet to the fire. His Dad had also attended John's Hopkins . His dad rode on horseback to treat patients in the middle if a snowstorm and deliver a calf on the side. These doctors really did exist. It is not all fiction.
Patient screams bloody murder.
Nothing.
Foreman says, "Get in here!"
Nurses look up from their paperwork.
Sad to say, but nurses get used to hearing patients scream and cry, frequently with nothing they can do about it
Well, I mean, the patient's already in with a doctor. Unless the doctor asks for help, adding more bodies in the room isn't going to help anyone.
Anybody else kind of jump whenever House yells or get serious in a scene?
Yup
I just scream "Yes, daddy!" 💜
Yeah hugh was good at rippin that stuff out like that. lol
I love how the patient is screaming bloody murder and the nurses are just chilling lol
Thats one hella cursed scream jesus christ
If ever I hear someone say that House doesn't care about his patients, I direct him to this video. House isn't a monster, he's just obsessive.
I've worked in a company that had to do with finances and such and Vogler is pretty much every business man ever
Why is Cuddy grilling him anyway ? Did she know about patient`s bulimia ? How ?
She suspected House knew something as he was beating around the bush speaking diplomatically about the exclusion criteria. House is direct and Cuddy knew he was lying.
She also had to show that she has authority over him in front of Voglar.... The grilling happened after he came
In addition to what the others have said, Cuddy was perturbed as to how House knew the patient needed a transplant before the patient had tests run.
Because it was a yes or no question. But saying no is lying. While listing conditions she did not have is not lying
@@hotstuffwatcher thats called a lie of omission
That lady really is a piece of art..... House was willing to risk losing his job to save her life, and even then she had the guts to question his motives.
I like how on 1:53 nurses weren't even phased by the excruciating scream of pain, but a few dB lower bass yell of a doctor woke them up.
7:19 "because that's what's on the table right now" you can hear Hugh struggling to hold back tears with how sad this scene is and how much he really needs to know to save her life. I wouldn't think House would get emotional but apparently Hugh often could in moments like this. He may share similar gloating type qualities to House but he's a completely different person.
House is incredible because he expresses zero empathy most of the time. But when confronted with big issues like mental illness or saving lives he is revealed to care for others
Vogler is probably the second most puchable character in this show right after Tritter.
Yeah but Tritter only went after House because House is a drug addict and bullies patients, Tritter was right to go after House
Tritter never says some absolute trash like "Health care is a business and I will run it like one". I hate Tritter but I *despise* Vogler.
Omg, what a terrific show it was.
I love the chemistry between House’s and Cuddy’s characters.
Also, the show shows power struggle in an amazing way.
House exposed himself to get the medical license removed just because she cried asking to live. He is human and has feelings regarding the misanthrope attitude.
His duty to save his patients is the only thing he cares about, even though he hides it.
Biggest BS in episode is Cuddy's response to House's "I had a hunch" -> "You don't have hunches, You know"
House works on nothing BUT hunches and Cuddy new that.
Is she saying it like ‘you, House, always know’ or ‘you as a doctor shouldn’t put people on transplant lists unless you know’ because it’s not clear to me now i think about it
Hugh Laurie was epic in this episode.
*entire show
He is epic in everything he has ever been in. Look up Blackadder 3rd.
To be fair, house is always considerate of the ethics of saving a patient, he uses unjustifiable means to meet the best end but he never means to hurt anyone. He wants the answers for the future of patient care. It might seem like he doesn’t care, but he does for the future of humanity but he’d never show it
I hate it when they do that.. oh your tests show nothing and so therefore you are fine! When you're doubled over in pain or paralysed from the chest down...
I love how cuddy changes when vogler enters
“Doctor saves one patient a week”
Yeah, but he doesn’t wear the coat though now does he?
🤣🤣🤣🤦♂️ That's corporate life for you.
I enjoyed this episodes issue; house doesn’t normally show off his genuine concern for his patient in that way. Asking her if she wants to live because if she does, he’s gladly risk his career for her. It’s very fun to watch.
I could name at least 10
Reminder - the best, easiest and virtually only way to lie (excluding psychopathy), is to not lie.
House does not lie in this scene. He tells the truth. Suicide is a risk factor, but after his confrontation he truly believes she is not a risk. He would rather not come down definitively, but when he is forced to, it is not a lie, it is what he genuinely believes. She does not meet any exclusionary criteria. Anymore. - And because of that, she deserves a chance as much as anyone else.
House is such a good example of chaotic good
House is a world famous Doctor.
People travel the globe to see him.
He gives patients multiple tests and rounds of treatment that amount to nothing.
He routinely uses and sometimes creates new treatments and diagnostic procedures that his team publish.
He’s a magnet for rich patients who want the best doctor, who he is thus they come to PPTH, presumably many donate money after house saves them.
So…..how exactly is it a financial black hole?
I am assuming it confirms the fan's theory about all the tests they run on the patient. The patient is probably only billed for the final treatment and tests that properly diagnosed the correct condition. Therefore, the hospital has to pay for all the other tests.
@@MathStringInputOutpu admitting I’m no expert I don’t think it works like that. The hospital would explain to the insurance company why the test was necessary and they would cover it.
Rich patients like her would have great coverage.
And the poorer patients he has probably does come out of the hospital pockets if medicade (or whatever it is) won’t cover it.
Also house isn’t above lying on his files he send to the insurance company and cuddly isn’t above looking the other way.
Like with the mobster or the baseball player.
Sometimes, just sometimes, you can see that House really, really cares. This is one of those times. It makes me a little sad that he even has to lie here, but even more so that he does. Not all heroes wear capes
Or lab coats.
It's all about finding the cure for cancer, yet people live and agonizingly die from understudied rare or undiagnosed diseases. They don't matter. As far as it goes with Volgler, if he's wanting a cure for cancer, this would be more appropriate for laboratory and research medicine. Doctors in hospitals have patients, not a mission to be the first man on the moon.
Uploaded half an episode over the last 3 videos, eventually we will have the entire show.
Vougler is a perfect representation of America's For Profit Healthcare system. Healthcare's not a right it's just a way to line some suits Pocket not Help People.
10:10 Bro Wilson's just staring at House like: 0_0
Welcome to medical care in the US, "How much money can we save letting these people die?"
I think Vogler's argument was more along the lines of "how many more patients could we save if we spent this money elsewhere?".
@@Fif0l His argument is a bit tied to the economical part, considering him being a bussiness man. His logic is that because you can take on easier cases, you can treat more people. But this also means that the sicker people are less worthy of a treatment because they require more time and bigger resources.
This show was LITERALLY the most intense. I love it
I watched pretty much every house clip before I watched the entire series.... ordered Amazon prime just to watch it and I’m sad I never saw it earlier. One of my all time favorite shows
This hit home pretty hard. My mom has congestive heart failure. Eventually she's gonna get to this point. Eventually it's gonna hurt, and hurt badly. And I don't want to watch that.
soo sorry
I hope and pray advances in treatment will be at a faster rate than the advancement of her condition.
Hannah, bring up the suggestion to use an experimental artificial heart if nothing else works.
Have you considered a heroin habit?
how can it hurt so bad
House does have a point. He bends the rules when it is needed and does it sparling and only when it is necessary. He doesn't throw clinical trials and experimental procedures around with reckless abandon. House did the right thing. He got right to the crux of the issue.
Very unsuspicious behavior from House. Look around the room and hesitate to give an answer for 30 seconds.
I watched house as a pilot and through to him losing his first team and imo the shows end. The show is incredible with tear jerking yet relatable life lessons.
Life lessons?
1:49 Me when i stub my toe on the corner of my bed at 3am.
1:40 HEADPHONE WARNING
Still one of the most powerful screams in the entire series
The weight with which the words "... and destroyed your heart" was said always gives me chills
5:39
You know, for excruciating pain, she held it in really well
You know watching the series back, as it goes on Wilson pretty much stops wearing a lab coat in the later seasons.
House's department costs $250,000 a month to save four people. That is $62,500 per patient, per week. And each patient has a disease no one else can diagnose. Maybe half of the time, the patient picks this hospital specifically to get House.
I think it's worth it to have one of the smartest doctors in the country at your hospital. Plus I doubt he makes more than 6 figures in salary due to the massive salary cut Cuddy enforces.
My heart attack cost 770,000 dollars. 9 days in the hospital.
I know this is an early season, but Cuddy never understood House. Ethics actually really mattered to House, but his ethical code was a little different. He put the curing of the patient above all else. Invading their privacy, abusing his position and even them, if it made them better, was worth it. Lying and cheating are just tools he uses to advocate for his patients. His argument against what Vogler was doing was correct because it wouldn’t be the best thing for the patients.
House should have remembered that Cuddy was willing to compromise her morals for 100 million dollars for cancer and other research, and should have know not to go for her, but the heart wants what the heart wants
Woman: screaming in horrific pain
Foreman: "Get her Advil, stat!"
if someone were to say that i would never take them seriously lmao.
the urgency of “advil” being yelled would make me giggle
That scream was bone chilling
3:41 as soon as he walked in the door thinking he had a game plan to pressure the director of the hospital who was already on his side he shot himself in the foot
A fine man, House. Will stop at nothing to get his patient a new heart. Wish all doctors were this committed.
This reminds me of something that this era of tv represents - urgency. Like in 24, where it's literally things happening in 24 hours, major terrorist plots are being played. There's no time to process someone, it's literally get the plan out of them by any means necessary or risk wasting precious time that they don't have.
House's patients are suppose to represent that, where the patient is deteriorating fast, and most test will take longer than the patient have got to live, so they must throw treatment that might make things better as soon as possible.
Unfortunately certain treatments are quite invasive and prep time for those are even longer. The TV writers should've emphasized more on the urgency and drama revolved around technical stuff when it comes to treatments vs testing, but it really just became a trope instead of invasive information gathering (like breaking into someone's house) to harsh treatments that is super unethical and could potentially kill the patient.
And the patient here is Nina Myers
Vogler & Tritter were 2 of the most compelling nemesis's House had. In Vogler's case he was likable in the beginning, his reasons for wanting to invest in the hospital were relatable, but he immediately took a disliking to House without meeting him & made it personal, with Tritter he seemed like a bit of a bully from the start, confrontational & aggressive, not excusing House basically vlolating him with the thermometer but rather than doing his job making the streets safer he made it his mission to go after a doctor lol
Watching on mobile so I don’t have an adblocker. 4 ads seems like way too much for a ten minute video.
I upgraded to premium - bliss!
I still don’t understand why he cared so much about her, in the whole series there were few but significant patients that House really cared about but the reason why he cared was shown implicitly but with this patient was really unclear for me
House always goes above & beyond to help someone.
Edward Vogler is incredibly stupid for not seeing the value of having a team that can treat the most difficult to diagnose patients. Possessing a crack team that is a "silver bullet" to the untreatable is invaluable if leveraged correctly. This is especially the case for high-profile patients and I think there is an episode when a US senator gets treated because Vogler may have realized the same at that point. However, his viewpoint of just seeing the monetary drain of the diagnostic team versus the strong asset they possess speak volumes about his poor judgment and poor foresight. Imagine the publicity/fame Vogler could have gained had he just used the diagnostic team as a tool in his pursuit of glory instead of a threat. The most frustrating aspect is how Vogler could accomplish his goals without seeing House and simply ignore him and allow him to do his job. I think this is the biggest difference between Cuddy and Vogler. One saw him as a powerful (admittedly, very difficult to handle) tool and the other as a problem.
Just as there is a Young Sheldon spin-off, there should be a Young House spin-off
If the department costs 3 million dollars per year and saves 1 patient per week, each patient averages a cost of $57,692.31, not accounting for salaries of the doctors.
Come on now if House was overly "ethical" this entire series would stink. He knows how to keep bringing us back.
@Robert Terwilliger He breaks ethics to be moral. It wouldn't be ethical to ignore the conditions of a patient to give them the chance of a heart transplant if they had a history of self-harm, which might eventually throw that heart down the drain. However, it would be the moral thing to do. What he wanted was a pseudo-promise from the patient that would at least somewhat nullify the former, the history of self-harm, and justify ignoring that condition.
House breaks his profession's code of ethics, a system put into place to purposefully undertake triage, to give aid to the patients that need it the most, and to determine who might be past the point of aid.
e.g. a soldier's helmet is fused to his skull, what do you do? If a helmet got hot enough to fuse to a skull, the wearer is likely dead, so you don't need to worry about treating him. The ethical dilemma would come along as say, a buddy of this soldier comes along and asks you to check him. Do you waste your time checking a dead man, or do you continue treating patients who are actually still alive? The moral dilemma would come along when you find a very weak pulse. How do you even treat someone like that? Was he shot? How did the helmet fuse to his friggen skull? The moral dilemma is to treat or not when he is very likely not going to live either way.
you know their a good actor when the agonized wail makes you feel their pain and even cry for them
I'm sure there were other more deserving heart recipient patients than this woman. Of course she was going to cry when House put it that way. He should have told the truth.
Yes, he was naive here. Why lie for someone who will just relapse in the end….
@@empirednw6624 You are lower than the dirt on my shoe.
1:49 Screams of agony
2:00 Cheerful whistling in ad for Didi the ride sharing app.
Proof that Gregory House has a heart.
Aaaah thats why i love him .hes a great doctor
1:40 A scream powerful enough to summon reekid himself.
in the description: "a really important heart transplant". yes love this medical lingo
I officially think that Greg is responsible for this channel.
I guess.....
The question is not whether she wants to live. The question - and that is totally ignored here - is whether the person not getting a transplant because of House lying to the committee also would want to live.
Uneven distribution of empathy ... as bad as no empathy. Or maybe worse.