Hello Charlie, I would have liked to accept your challenge, but I have absolutely no idea how to plan a freight terminal. That is why when planning my layout, I based my layout on an ex Southern Railway station and goods yard plan, warts and all. To that end, I was lucky that I was able to obtain a 1:480 scale plan of Barnham Junction dated June 1960, purchased form Waterloo Station in London. Even though Barnham Junction scales out at over 30 ft in OO scale, I managed shorten the platforms and sidings and condense it to 18ft plus 4ft curves at each end, without loosing any operational capacity. Good luck with your new freight yard, I’m looking forward to seeing the final result. Regards Barry
As always, an entertaining and informative video. I most appreciate the facial expressions as you rip out the installed foam walls at about the 12 minute mark. Nice to know I'm not the only one having those moments during construction.
Hi Charlie Fascinating. Really looking forward to seeing some of the track plans submitted. Then to watch you analyze each one in your usual practical approach. You seem to have as much fun destroying as you do building! Thanks so much. Stay safe. Howard
Hi Charlie. I like your add on construction of your yard. I was stunned & impressed when you pulled & quick demonstration of your coach / passenger cars at the curves near your about to be tunnel. Now that saying that was too close. But your new direction of track made a difference When you later tested the coaches again. If left like before & you built the tunnel the trains would crash.😱 As for your yard That's up to your other viewers as I am at this writing trying to decide on a yard design on my un built layout. I wish i could participate. Your ideas are good to. Though not on this video my favorite project is the Locomotive shop building project. That is a Bachmann Europe model. I haven't seen it in North America. My interest is Always here at the Chadwick. Awesome work and i will see this portion completed who ever becomes the winner of the trackage yard & building. As always Happy model railroading Charlie. Harold CONRAIL / CSX/ CN / VIA RAIL CANADA 🇺🇲 /🇨🇦
Finally glad to meet you on Saturday, nearly missed you we were starting to make our way back to Port Talbot. Thanks for the photo opportunity, a bit of a shame as it turned out a bit blurred. Keep up with the great videos, I enjoy very much. Cheers Carl.
Hi Charlie, there was an alignment of stars Friday .... well in clearing out the garage I came across 2,4m by 60cm white board for shelves. Then I found my box of Hornby Dublo and then I watched your video!! I loved the focus on functionality in order to make it an interesting task to operate. It's precisely how we had both the Dublo and O gauge set up, running timetables as well. Anyway I noted down the sizes and your operational requirements and came up with a sketch and built it. It works in so far as physical movements are concerned but I have yet to power it up!! It's a long time since it's been used so the connections won't be good. I've had a lot of fun and maybe it's of use (I doubt it🤔🤔😂😂😂) I will send you a couple of photos. Your invitation came at just the right time. Thanks for being an inspiration for so many out there. Have a great weekend
Again, you are taking us on a fascinating journey. As the yesteryear British Rail advert stated "We're getting there". Would be fantastic to see an '80's British Steel type yard, the dirt and grime, shunters and low wagons with steel coils and plates etc. Thornaby Teeside, or Sheffield. Whatever you end up doing Charlie, it's bound to be good!
Hello Charlie, a Denis Norden moment there at 06:52 : ) A Mk3 coach is what I used on my layout to test clearances for bridges, buildings etc…if that gets round anything can. A great video and enlightening as always, cheers Charlie!
As always, another great episode of The Great Chadwick Railway documentary. As a novis, I have no contributions to offer, but I'm soaking up suggestions and ideas like a sponge. Thank you for sharing. Greetings from Sweden 🇸🇪.
Charlie, another great video, sometimes you need to redo some of your work. Oh what fun. We have all had to do it. The revised tracks are looking good, and have some real interest in them. For your portal, I think the idea of a large concrete lintel, supported by concrete columns sound good. I will leave you freight yard track plan to better planners, I just go round in circles, and end up back where I started, and then start again!!!!. Cheers, and stay safe, Michael
I'm living out my childhood dreams following the progress of Chadwick. It's been an amazing journey so far and I'm looking forward to each new episode coming out! I don't have anywhere near enough knowledge to contribute to a track plan but I'm loving the entire project! Great entertainment! 😁👌
Another fun walk through video Charlie. I love your nickname for the curved rock face: Dog's Dinner Curve sounds like just the kind of name that will live long in the annals of a train driver's guide to the route! Looking forward to the finished product 😉 Cheers mate.
Clarification of the board measurements for a track plan design, measured from the wall to the hillside. Total yard length = 238cm At the wall, width = 92cm At 80 cm from the wall, width = 41cm At 193cm from the wall, width = 32cm (by the tunnel mouth). At the end, width = 21cm 5 tracks is by no means essential, Similarity 4 sets of triplets isn’t either. A triplet measures around 26cm. I use Peco Code 100 track Good luck, Regards Charlie
Having a whack at this in AnyRail. What particular track libraries do you stick to? I'm unfamiliar with Peco so I'm not sure as to whether to use streamline or setrack and what code to use? Cheers!
Wow, Charlie. You’ve created quite a debate about the freight depot. Loved reading the comments. I don’t have any suggestions for your track plans but eagerly await the conclusion to this conundrum. Thanks for sharing. Roy.
It took me a year of planning before I started building my large N gauge layout. I had a vision of what all the scenery was going to be whilst planning. I did have to change some of the scenery and and one point position for the coaling deport as there was a board support in the way of the point motor. Your layout is looking good, looking forward to the basic completion, then fun bit of adding all the extras.
@@ChadwickModelRailway regarding your plan for a goods/freight yard, I know you are GWR is there any yards you might be able to adapt or maybe take a couple and combine to suit. I did that with my layout, I took Hawkhurst in Kent for my upper branch and adapted it slightly. I’d love to have a go at your plan but unfortunately time is a problem.looking forward to seeing what happens.
Thanks Charlie I love all the mind changes, I do it so often but if the end result pleases then so be it. Can’t wait to see the track plan outcomes. Steve
The cross beam arrangements are very reminiscent of the 'Widened Lines' in London used by mainline railways, and I think it would work well with having beam type tunnel entrances in that area, along with brickwork walls. It really is looking great Charlie, I think your new layout is much improved.
@@ChadwickModelRailway I would lean towards the Brick Tunnel mouth you started off with. Mainly because it is the start of a tunnel running into a hill rather than a bridge, which to my mind would have a very different construction. Having said that a bridge would work well if the lower track was running through a cutting & the Freight Yard is situated on a separate hill, though that might be too many changes of plan!
Hi Charlie, What I was trying to say in a round about way, is that as modellers, we can learn a lot from the real railways. While we are quick to check out Locomotive, coaches and wagon plans, but it’s also advantageous to look at the plans of existing or past railway stations or freight yards to help with the planning of our own model railway layouts.
Charlie, You're really making great progress and I love it when you occasionally open up an expanse of board, waiting to be filled. It really gets the juices flowing. I'll leave the track planning to others, more capable in the art of computer design. However, I was thinking about the entrance to the area below the fiddle yard. I was please that you concluded that a concrete beam was the answer because I thought the other options looked inappropriate. What I did think was that you should try to make the entrance at close to 90 degrees to the track. Have the concrete beam supported by tall concrete pillars so that the deep beam is aligned with the top of the fiddle yard boards. The pillars would be on one side of the track, supporting an extended area of the fiddle yard area and allow the entry tracks to begin a curve earlier. The other end of the beam would be supported by the existing civil works that support the entry tracks. If you see what I mean. I'll try to send or post an example, but I am thinking about structures in Kier Hardings Hornsey Broadway. Just a thought. Bob
Great video good to see that you show your 'change my mind' senerio I relate to that. Looking forward to seeing the options and your decision on the track plan, I do agree with many that tunnel mouth doesn't look right !!!
Another great video, but goodness, you're brave inviting submissions for a design! It'll be interesting to see what happens. The current setup looks a little reminiscent of the old Bishopsgate Goods Station in London, especially with the brick retaining wall. What may be interesting in future is the two hills either side of the entry to the MPD and how they'll develop into something that looks like terrain that was there before the railway. Never a dull moment at Chadwick.
When you said freight yard Charlie, I was thinking of a simple one track in, three road track plan for a West Country stone quarry with loco release with either the Bachmann / Hornby (mk2) 08 or Sentinal shunter, with catch points, being loaded via JCB/Volvo shovels, with stone brought in via EFE, 8 wheeler tipper lorries. It was not until the end you said about set wagons, were there might not be a purpuse to have a real reason for wagons in that area! After all it's never going to be the a Whitemoor style hump shunt yard. I think having a so could shunt yard a part from the oil tanks it might look disengauged from thr the rest of the layout!
The change to that curve makes a vast improvement. When it comes too soldering across rail joints I’ve used an off cut from a Peco frog wire to form a loop around the fishplates so the join can still expand or shrink and it’s fine enough not to be too visible. For the tunnel a concrete beam would look better than the tunnel mouth at that angle, though I think you have enough room to straighten the tunnel mouth to a near right angle with the retaining wall following the curve of the helix track a bit further. That would even give a tiny bit more land to the goods yard, as for track plans I’ll leave that to the more professional folk. Cheers Rob.
I don’t think I’d be a great candidate to decide, but I wanted to comment that seeing the River scene makes me nostalgic for some of the old videos I’ve been watching recently while working on my own railway.
Thanks for the video Charlie. Have fun with the suggestions. Sorry, freight yards like these are too new for me to be able to make suggestions. You do have a lot of space for it.
Great progress. When designing a yard one thing I did when I was planning my layout was I got a copy of Trainz Simulator 12, this has a route creation mode and you can literally virtually build your design and play it to see how operationally interesting it will be. I realised this was a year ago but I’m assuming you still have much more work to do…..
Hi Charlie, I know this isn't what you are asking about - I have no idea about track plans! - but when you come to do the road which leads to the road bridge, I would go for a 'dog leg'. Not a smooth curve running up to the bridge - like a railway track. I'd opt for am awkward corner, then maybe another short one onto the bridge. Partly because roads often do that - they go around things not through them, and partly to avoid everything looking to perfectly planned. Just my opinion though.
Hi Charlie, corners are often an issue on layouts, in terms of the tunnel/ bride i would start with the road and work it from there to see what looks real however the tunnel being angled is a bit weird. In terms of the freight yard i will leave it to those with far more knowledge than me.
Sometimes a slightly wobbly arc can make the layout look more natural. Rocks and dirt move over time, and plenty of lines in nature are not perfect :). Thanks for showing all of this. I am gettign a lot of ideas from watching how your layout develops that I can integrate into my layout once my health allows me to get back into it :)
Sorry if it was a bit early in the morning Please delete the message if I have spoilt the surprise Looking forward to This week video and the iTrain v Traincontroller test is keeping you entertained I’ve got both but sticking with Traincontroller
@@ChadwickModelRailway Thanks Charlie A well deserved award with some stiff Competition Keep up the Great work. Those track plans that were submitted were great and in some many formats I particularly liked the physical Old Three rail and the Anyrail ones I’m still learning it not enough hours in the day We look forward to seeing The West Camel Team in December again as they were very kind and all took time out to chat to Swimbo and myself it’s just a shame it’s only one Day Once again Congratulations
Hi Charlie! You do like a challenge, don’t you? 😅 I am glad you have opted to go for a wood base rather than the other version as it makes sense to me, not least because it means you have the access which you point out, but also I think it will be more robust and easier for maintenance. 🤔 I’ll certainly have a crack at this if I get the chance, though it will be old fashioned paper and pen with me! I’m glad you moved away from the brick tunnel mouth idea, but I’m not so sure about dispensing with the plate girder bridge idea. I must admit, the girder bridge option was something I thought the other week and I’ll do my best to draw what I mean if I can 🤓 Also got why I think is an interesting idea for the road which is inspired by my observations of Ripple Lane sidings on our line (c2c) and how Road access was created without disrupting the running lines too much 😊 Cheers Charlie, have a good week! You going to Milton Keynes? Hopefully I might bump into you at some point 😉👍🍀🍻
Many thanks for sharing your thoughts Tim. I’ve received around 10 track plans with various levels of complexity. All very interesting. Regards Charlie.
Dear Charlie, humbly think you should consider a cutting instead of a tunnel where the leads for the reverse loop, on the lower section, wander off. Together with an access road to the freight yard over the cutting this will allow for two bridges close to each other. At or around the location of the bridge abutments you can then camouflage the tracks going underneath the freight yard board. Through the cutting you can put some dilapidated or disused track, which will allow for an interesting scene, as well as the layout’s connection to the outside world. On the freight yard’s baseboards; with all the different tracks you’ve mentioned, I think the best way to approach this footprint is to scrap anything you don’t really need. Yes, a run around section may seem an obvious necessity. However, when the freight yard is operated with a dedicated switcher, the run around may not be absolutely necessary. For visual interest I think it would be best to reduce the amount of track, to display the different customers of the freight yard. To be truly honest the most obvious track configuration you can now place on these two boards is too much in line with all the other tracks on the lower elevation. My main suggestion therefore is to consider a slight addition to the baseboards which will allow for some spurs to point in the less obvious directions, which in the end will make the freight yard look much more interesting. Cheerio
Great Video has always Charlie , The only thing I dislike is the acute angle of the tunnel port hole, A more perpendicular port hole would look way better in my humble opinion .
Quite a bit of '' modeling ''including I do, we do, and you do, demonstrating visual, pictorial, and abstract learning, along with space practice retrieval, not to mention Brunner's Spiral Learning, and Vygotscy's Scaffolding, as well as Piaget's developmental theory, can be applied here. Then, of course, problem-solving by identifying what sort of problem, to configure the track positioning, or how many rectangles or triangles can be identified. Finally the properties of the triangle, such as acute, with two angles less than Forty Five Degrees.
Hi Charlie what a great idea for the position of the freight yard. It will be an interesting area when finished and also to see what some of the ideas subscribers come up with. I'm not experienced enough to offer a plan but would be willing to help in voting for the best one to help you decide your final choice. Your video construction and presentation is brilliant. Glad you're not afraid not rip up a change things, as they say "it's not over til the fat lady sings!😂 Take care mate
So you wake up Charlie at 3am with an idea. Well so do I, but do you follow my example and actually get up and do it at 3am?!! I won't indulge in the goods yard as I only model prototypes and there are plenty of those in books. Great video Charlie as it is always good to hear your train of thought. Cheers, Bob
Hi Charlie Just an observation if any of your viewers want to provide a trach plan as you suggested you didn't give the distance between the middle section . Between the 41cm & 32cm depths
The bridge cross member to cut a section of thin foam to its shape and then cut two rectangular sections and them make them look like some form of reinforced concrete.
How does that saying go?... Something like "It's one kind of freedom to be able to make up your own mind when you need to but it's quite another kind of freedom to be able to change your mind when it suits you." To me it shows a flexible mind and an adaptable nature... A good episode Charlie. I wonder what your nets will yield.
Absolutely fascinating stuff Charlie. As a rookie, my own thoughts on your track plans won’t be worth a jot , but I’m going to be intrigued by the comments you receive from those far better qualified than me to comment, and the final decision you’ll make……I’l be watching this space, as ever. can’t wait to see what you conclude.
I think you may need to add another short board rather than that hillside at the end, as you are going to be tight for space. Im a freight driver myself, an arrival & departure loop for the trains to enter/exit, then leading into the yard itself is the ideal option. You dont HAVE to have a run round loop, providing you have a shunt loco you can use. Would make it more interesting if anything. Say for examples sake you just had a 3 road dead end yard, the train would come into the arrival road, loco detach and run round via departures, then back the train in that way. Alternative is have an 08 ready to go onto the back of the train instead, and the loco could come off straight onto a fuelling road instead. You could also if length id limited split the train in half down two roads which gives you more play value, this is a regular on intermodal trains due to their length. I will be at GETS if you need some ideas. Eric
Hi Charlie; yet another inspirational video; change and adapt for the better. Video shows how even with best planning; change can always tale place. Always make more mess))) something seem to enjoy. Look forward to see the offering of the track plans and how they will merge all togther to give you the bast options. Two heavy ply boards; going to get heavier as you finish them.. have you ever weighed a board once completed…all best and thankyou again for time in post to produce these great videos. Marc from Leighton Buzzard
Thanks Marc, for an excellent comment. Your thoughts about the weight of a finished board is very interesting. We can often forget how much weight we are putting down. Regards Charlie
Wow, it’s all go at Chadwick!! As I’m still pondering my own track mistakes I’ll leave the plans to the pro’s. Looking forward to seeing the result though. Definitely think leaving the exit from the Helix open was the right decision though 👏👏
Although using Google Earth, why not have a look at ‘Garston Freight Liner terminal’ (its in Liverpool near to Garston Dock as a landmark. Has 6 lanes and very short single track entry from a double track 👍
A thought on the tunnel mouth and the acute angle its at versus the track. Why not straighten it up a little, then run a road bridge over the Helix lines, over the TMD tunnel and down to the TMD fuel depot. Could have a road link there, it would cover the track a little (the bridge) and all, but it could give some flow between the fuel depot and the freight depot. Might make everything flow a bit better, though it would require some handiwork to get the alignments and odds and ends connected. Hopefully that makes sense, but all the same, love your work Charlie. Your channel is always a delight to watch.
Good afternoon Charlie I'm usually a quiet one that just watches your videos as they are very good but I would like to add. As everybody will be focusing on the track design I was looking at the side that you had showed where you left it open. What about considering trying to do some kind of framework around it make it look kind of like a Subway passing. Just to show a little more visibility. Thanks Uncle V's Trains
You make a very interesting suggestion. However, perhaps the answer is to have a completely removable wall to show the activity on the reverse loops. Regards, Charlie
Hi Charlie Hope you don't mind using the picture you granted me as my profile image. Two points. Some comments mention the volume of brickwork. I agree. A way round it might be to use a arcade / cut out retaining wall. It would add a different feature, look good with the helix and fitnwith other areas. Believe there are foam versions available with my limited knowledge. This would also fit with some of the London terminals that have this affect. With regard to the track, I have something similar in my planned layout. I have just got one arrival departure line from the main track and then created a narrow gauge gravel and cement yard. I hope the narrow gauge will add another interesting aspect I hope.
Hi JS, feel free to use my picture. Picking the correct material for the retaining wall will no doubt be a challenge. However, with a couple of big shows coming up I’m sure I’ll find something. Stay safe, regards, Charlie
Excellent video (as always) if you happen to swing by ‘James Street’ at GETS next weekend I’ll be happy to talk you through our yards and how we operate them - we have enough of them!
Charlie, Maybe you should post a vertically taken photo to see how the lines from helix and tunnel look like. Could make a difference resizing the triangle plate (and track work)
I would love to design something for you but I don’t have any idea how they design yards on your side of the pond I do look forward to seeing what people come up with though. I did enjoy having my morning cuppa watching your video
You need to build a bigger house. Seriously, I will allow those who model your scale, involving passenger coaches & freight wagons make these decisions. But, “Your mind is spot on!” You are willing to take a risk, reconsider and forge on and you are a great example for those joining us in “The Hobby!” Well done! -from across the pond.
In my opinion Charlie, I think you’d benefit from a visual transition between the helix tunnel portal and the tunnel/bridge portal disappearing under the Freightliner terminal. If you make that whole wall (which is currently just white card) a retaining wall, then that’s a LOT of brick. There’s a lot of brick walls on the layout already. The road coming up from the river to the FL terminal makes it look like the terminal is placed upon a natural shelf, above the rest of the layout. So, what I’m suggesting is; some of that area and cutting should perhaps be exposed and cut rock, where the navvies sliced through the natural shelf. It also means that with a bank or exposed area, the loop line portal could come forward a little, to come closer to a right angle over the line it covers. Personally, I think it’d look good if the helix portal had some retaining wall around the portal, transitioning to cut rock, under the road bridge, into an embankment, over the loop portal and turning into more of a steep, overgrown slope until it meets a the FL terminal feed line. The grassy bank would probably get too steep In reality to hold soil and would probably return to retaining wall in the real world. It’s just a suggestion, but I’m sure you’ll do a fantastic job whatever you do! My immediate thought was that there is already a lot of uniform brick walls on the layout, that’s all.
Charlie, have you thought about including a motorail service at the freight yard, or would it be just vans and wagons, because it could add some extra interest?
Personally, I think that the tunnel mouth breaking away from the retaining wall at an angle , which is more orthogonal to the branch, wouldn't only make this look more "natural", but also add another bit of visual interest, as there should be quite an assembly of angles in this corner (which may also suggest some history). But mind that is all about what you want this to be like and a layout is ultimately an expression of you.
As always, a good video, I would love to help out with your design but I am close to a year in starting mine and I don't have a size let alone a plain but I will be starting within the next six months when I have made room. Also I did give my vote to you. Thank you for your good advice in your videos.
Morning Charlie. I was quite surprised to see the difference in the curved lines to the helix once you moved that point. I did think they would be tighter than what they were. Certainly gives you better scope when laying the baseboard for the freight yard. The tunnel portal should be one of those concrete ones to give it a slightly more modern look to it. Is the yard totally pre container era or about the era of transition? If so then that will have an effect on the layout of tracks and it could make an interesting feature of the yard. No good at planning I'm afraid, not good at logical scenarios. I tend to lay something out, change and change again. All in all looking good at Chadwick. All the best, Kevin
Many thanks Kevin, I’m so pleased that you found it interesting. I agree about the concrete lintel, and it will be interesting to receive some interesting track plans. Regards, Charlie
Charlie that was a really informative video ! When you were measuring on the turn out for a medium radius curve, where did you start the measurement at on the point ? Thanks again Charlie - hope you continue to make very interesting videos ! It really helps me a novice to this hobby
Thank you as always Charlie, a great watch. I felt when giving the dimensions for the rail line to fill, that you neglected to outline the space that the Road would take up, and what it is serving. Regarding the Tunnel Mouth, I got the impression that the white cardboard 'temp' wall was 25mm too high and so gave the wrong impression at the tunnel mouth. Clearly your freight yard over the top of of the return loop is a complete 'invention, which would never naturally occur. So should the line into the tunnel, heading to the return, actually create the impression it is going 'straight on' i.e. parallel to the room wall? if so it needs to come further into the layout to be further from the curve. Regards.
You would need to add another 6 inches of (Was it 18mm) ply above where the Diesel is sat with the oil tanks at the end of the video. I know that the retaining wall would then be very pointed, but make it look as though it too is headed for the room wall, with just a simple opening to allow the line through. Perhaps you have cut that first board too early and need to go again? or need a very cleverly supported addition. One end of which could be supported against the wall if you cut down the celotex there by 18 mm While I have you, two weeks ago when preparing the landscaping around the return loop, at the start you did not install the tunnel mouth, as you wanted to prepare an interior wall for the tunnel, to maintain the illusion. But at the end you had installed the tunnel and its interior wall. You now have two opportunities to explain how this works, here and on the tunnell mouth to Helix 2. Please can you include this when you do it. Thanks
Thanks Roger, for two excellent comments. I shall certainly look into the relay of the reverse loop tracks. However, it’s very difficult to extend the boards. I will certainly video the building of the tunnel linings. Regards Charlie
I also use the pico 6 way gauge, as you are aware, they are also useful for platform heights. Is poplar ply better than marine ply? The pico grey bridge crossover looks better. Unfortunately I won't be able to supply a plan as it has been my experience recently that no matter how much I plan something, I always seem to miss something out like a signal box for example. Once again a Very good, interesting video.
Hello Charlie, I would have liked to accept your challenge, but I have absolutely no idea how to plan a freight terminal.
That is why when planning my layout, I based my layout on an ex Southern Railway station and goods yard plan, warts and all.
To that end, I was lucky that I was able to obtain a 1:480 scale plan of Barnham Junction dated June 1960, purchased form Waterloo Station in London.
Even though Barnham Junction scales out at over 30 ft in OO scale, I managed shorten the platforms and sidings and condense it to 18ft plus 4ft curves at each end, without loosing any operational capacity.
Good luck with your new freight yard, I’m looking forward to seeing the final result. Regards Barry
Thanks Bazz, for an interesting insight into your world.
Regards Charlie
As always, an entertaining and informative video. I most appreciate the facial expressions as you rip out the installed foam walls at about the 12 minute mark. Nice to know I'm not the only one having those moments during construction.
I’m so pleased that you found the video entertaining mate. It’s always good to destroy your own work!
Regards, Charlie
Hi Charlie
Fascinating.
Really looking forward to seeing some of the track plans submitted. Then to watch you analyze each one in your usual practical approach.
You seem to have as much fun destroying as you do building!
Thanks so much.
Stay safe. Howard
Thanks Howard, I’m so pleased you enjoyed my destruction!
Stay safe, regards, Charlie
Sometimes, the fun is not doing the grunt work but to see what you have accomplished after it is done. I'm still glad you brought us along.
I’m so pleased that you could join me on this journey Richard. It’s great to have you on board. Regards, Charlie
Congratulations on winning UA-camr of the Year, Charlie, well deserved!
Thanks LBC, that’s most kind.
Regards Charlie.
Enjoyed your video Charlie and liked thanks for sharing DD.
You’re most welcome DD.
Regards Charlie.
Thank you for another excellent Video Charlie, haven't things become so much more complicated than the early Days of Chadwick.
Indeed they have Peter.
Regards Charlie.
Hi Charlie. I like your add on construction of your yard. I was stunned & impressed when you pulled & quick demonstration of your coach / passenger cars at the curves near your about to be tunnel. Now that saying that was too close. But your new direction of track made a difference When you later tested the coaches again. If left like before & you built the tunnel the trains would crash.😱 As for your yard That's up to your other viewers as I am at this writing trying to decide on a yard design on my un built layout. I wish i could participate. Your ideas are good to. Though not on this video my favorite project is the Locomotive shop building project. That is a Bachmann Europe model. I haven't seen it in North America. My interest is Always here at the Chadwick. Awesome work and i will see this portion completed who ever becomes the winner of the trackage yard & building. As always Happy model railroading Charlie.
Harold
CONRAIL / CSX/ CN / VIA RAIL CANADA 🇺🇲 /🇨🇦
Thanks Harold, it’s great to have you onboard. Regards Charlie.
Congratulations on your win today at GET's. Very well deserved.🎉🏆
Thanks Ian, that’s very kind of you to say so mate. Regards, Charlie
Finally glad to meet you on Saturday, nearly missed you we were starting to make our way back to Port Talbot. Thanks for the photo opportunity, a bit of a shame as it turned out a bit blurred. Keep up with the great videos, I enjoy very much. Cheers Carl.
Thanks Carl, so sorry the photo was blurred they’ll always be another opportunity. Regards, Charlie
Hi Charlie, there was an alignment of stars Friday .... well in clearing out the garage I came across 2,4m by 60cm white board for shelves. Then I found my box of Hornby Dublo and then I watched your video!!
I loved the focus on functionality in order to make it an interesting task to operate. It's precisely how we had both the Dublo and O gauge set up, running timetables as well.
Anyway I noted down the sizes and your operational requirements and came up with a sketch and built it. It works in so far as physical movements are concerned but I have yet to power it up!! It's a long time since it's been used so the connections won't be good.
I've had a lot of fun and maybe it's of use (I doubt it🤔🤔😂😂😂) I will send you a couple of photos.
Your invitation came at just the right time. Thanks for being an inspiration for so many out there.
Have a great weekend
Thanks David, I’ll look forward to your contribution. Regards Charlie.
Hi Charlie congratulations re winning the You Tube award at GETS this year, very well deserved and thank you for your excellent content rgds Mark
Thanks Mark, that’s most kind.
Regards Charlie
Again, you are taking us on a fascinating journey. As the yesteryear British Rail advert stated "We're getting there". Would be fantastic to see an '80's British Steel type yard, the dirt and grime, shunters and low wagons with steel coils and plates etc. Thornaby Teeside, or Sheffield. Whatever you end up doing Charlie, it's bound to be good!
Thanks David, although the 1980s is a little late for my layout. I’m so pleased you enjoy the channel, regards, Charlie
Went to the Great Electric Train show today and bumped into Charlie on balcony 1. Shook my hand. What a thoroughly nice chap you are Charlie . 😊
Thanks Richard, that’s very kind of you to say so. I do hope that you enjoyed the show, regards, Charlie
Really interesting and well explained. First time I have watched your channel but it will not be the last
Welcome aboard Colin, and I do hope that you subscribed. Regards Charlie
I love it when a plan comes together.
It makes a change Dave, because usually it doesn’t! Regards, Charlie
Hello Charlie, a Denis Norden moment there at 06:52 : ) A Mk3 coach is what I used on my layout to test clearances for bridges, buildings etc…if that gets round anything can. A great video and enlightening as always, cheers Charlie!
Thanks Captain P, I’m so pleased that you found it interesting. Regards, Charlie
As always, another great episode of The Great Chadwick Railway documentary. As a novis, I have no contributions to offer, but I'm soaking up suggestions and ideas like a sponge. Thank you for sharing. Greetings from Sweden 🇸🇪.
Thanks Anders, that’s really kind of you to say so. Regards, Charlie
Hi Charlie, I enjoyed this video very much since I'm building a small yard on my layout, greetings from the Netherlands.
Thanks Jef, I’m so pleased that you found the video useful. Regards Charlie
It will be interesting to see how the yard progresses. As always a great video to watch Charlie 👍
Thanks Jeff, I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it. Regards, Charlie
Thanks again for this video! I really enjoy these insights. 🙂
Thanks mate, I’m so pleased that you found it interesting. Regards Charlie
Dedication to your craft is amazing Charlie
That’s very kind of you to say so, Alastair. Regards, Charlie
Charlie, another great video, sometimes you need to redo some of your work. Oh what fun. We have all had to do it.
The revised tracks are looking good, and have some real interest in them.
For your portal, I think the idea of a large concrete lintel, supported by concrete columns sound good.
I will leave you freight yard track plan to better planners, I just go round in circles, and end up back where I started, and then start again!!!!.
Cheers, and stay safe, Michael
Thanks Michael, I’m so pleased that we agree on the concrete portal arrangement.
Stay safe, regards, Charlie
Just heard the news from the weekend. Many congrats on 2 years in a row!
Thanks White Horse Bricks,
much appreciated. Regards, Charlie
Very good mate. I hope it turns out well. Have a great weekend :)
Thanks mate, fingers crossed that it will work out well. Regards Charlie
It was good to see you Saturday. It was a flying hello. You looked busy so I didn't want to hold you up. Take care.
It was such a joy to meet so many cheerful, interesting and like-minded people, Duncan. Stay safe, regards, Charlie
I'm living out my childhood dreams following the progress of Chadwick. It's been an amazing journey so far and I'm looking forward to each new episode coming out!
I don't have anywhere near enough knowledge to contribute to a track plan but I'm loving the entire project!
Great entertainment! 😁👌
What a heartwarming comment Doug. It’s great to have you onboard.
Regards Charlie.
Another fun walk through video Charlie. I love your nickname for the curved rock face: Dog's Dinner Curve sounds like just the kind of name that will live long in the annals of a train driver's guide to the route! Looking forward to the finished product 😉 Cheers mate.
Thanks SF007, I’m so pleased that you enjoy this journey that we share.
Regards Charlie
Clarification of the board measurements for a track plan design, measured from the wall to the hillside.
Total yard length = 238cm
At the wall, width = 92cm
At 80 cm from the wall, width = 41cm
At 193cm from the wall, width = 32cm (by the tunnel mouth).
At the end, width = 21cm
5 tracks is by no means essential,
Similarity 4 sets of triplets isn’t either.
A triplet measures around 26cm.
I use Peco Code 100 track
Good luck, Regards Charlie
Having a whack at this in AnyRail. What particular track libraries do you stick to? I'm unfamiliar with Peco so I'm not sure as to whether to use streamline or setrack and what code to use? Cheers!
Peco OO Gauge Streamline is the track of choice. Regards Charlie.
@@ChadwickModelRailway do you use code 75 or code 100 Charlie?
Peco Code 100 John, regards, Charlie
Wow, Charlie. You’ve created quite a debate about the freight depot. Loved reading the comments. I don’t have any suggestions for your track plans but eagerly await the conclusion to this conundrum. Thanks for sharing. Roy.
Thanks Roy, it’s so interesting listening to other peoples views and opinions. Regards, Charlie
Loving the videos and changes in mind, I can relate to that. You are an ongoing inspiration as my layout grows. Keep up the great work. Thank you
That’s most kind T8334.
Regards Charlie
It took me a year of planning before I started building my large N gauge layout. I had a vision of what all the scenery was going to be whilst planning. I did have to change some of the scenery and and one point position for the coaling deport as there was a board support in the way of the point motor.
Your layout is looking good, looking forward to the basic completion, then fun bit of adding all the extras.
Yes Paul, I couldn’t agree more. It will be great to finish the track and then start on the scenics, one section at a time. Regards, Charlie
@@ChadwickModelRailway regarding your plan for a goods/freight yard, I know you are GWR is there any yards you might be able to adapt or maybe take a couple and combine to suit. I did that with my layout, I took Hawkhurst in Kent for my upper branch and adapted it slightly.
I’d love to have a go at your plan but unfortunately time is a problem.looking forward to seeing what happens.
A nice touch Charlie, naming the future yard after one of your influential viewers/subscribers.
I will try anything to motivate the masses, And achieve a worthwhile result.
regards, Charlie
You tell them Charlie! It’s not their layout. I only wish I had half the layout you have. I respect people like you. Rail on!
Thanks Ken, that’s most kind. Good luck with your project, regards, Charlie
Another great update Charlie look forward to seeing the results & final choice see you next time
Thanks Dean, hopefully I can go through the proposals in the next video. Regards, Charlie
Thanks Charlie I love all the mind changes, I do it so often but if the end result pleases then so be it. Can’t wait to see the track plan outcomes. Steve
Thanks, Steve, we obviously suffer from the same decision-making bug. Regards, Charlie
A great video as usual Charlie!!! Thanks for sharing! Cheers Onno.
That’s most kind Onno, and much appreciated. Regards Charlie
Nice work Charlie
Glad you enjoyed it Roger.
Regards Charlie
The cross beam arrangements are very reminiscent of the 'Widened Lines' in London used by mainline railways, and I think it would work well with having beam type tunnel entrances in that area, along with brickwork walls. It really is looking great Charlie, I think your new layout is much improved.
Thanks A97531, that’s very much appreciated. Regards, Charlie
@@ChadwickModelRailway I would lean towards the Brick Tunnel mouth you started off with. Mainly because it is the start of a tunnel running into a hill rather than a bridge, which to my mind would have a very different construction. Having said that a bridge would work well if the lower track was running through a cutting & the Freight Yard is situated on a separate hill, though that might be too many changes of plan!
Thanks Chris, I must confess that the jury is still out on this one.
Regards Charlie
Hi Charlie, What I was trying to say in a round about way, is that as modellers, we can learn a lot from the real railways. While we are quick to check out Locomotive, coaches and wagon plans, but it’s also advantageous to look at the plans of existing or past railway stations or freight yards to help with the planning of our own model railway layouts.
Too true Bazz, many thanks for an excellent comment. Regards, Charlie
Charlie,
You're really making great progress and I love it when you occasionally open up an expanse of board, waiting to be filled. It really gets the juices flowing.
I'll leave the track planning to others, more capable in the art of computer design. However, I was thinking about the entrance to the area below the fiddle yard. I was please that you concluded that a concrete beam was the answer because I thought the other options looked inappropriate.
What I did think was that you should try to make the entrance at close to 90 degrees to the track. Have the concrete beam supported by tall concrete pillars so that the deep beam is aligned with the top of the fiddle yard boards. The pillars would be on one side of the track, supporting an extended area of the fiddle yard area and allow the entry tracks to begin a curve earlier. The other end of the beam would be supported by the existing civil works that support the entry tracks. If you see what I mean.
I'll try to send or post an example, but I am thinking about structures in Kier Hardings Hornsey Broadway.
Just a thought.
Bob
Many thanks for sharing your thoughts, Bob, and as they say, the jury is still out on this one. Regards, Charlie
Great video good to see that you show your 'change my mind' senerio I relate to that. Looking forward to seeing the options and your decision on the track plan, I do agree with many that tunnel mouth doesn't look right !!!
Thanks Arthur, the tunnel mouth may look odd, but there are certainly examples of it. Regards, Charlie
Who needs a workout when he can remodel his model railway layout 💪😁
Not bad for 65-year-old! Regards, Charlie
Another great video, but goodness, you're brave inviting submissions for a design! It'll be interesting to see what happens. The current setup looks a little reminiscent of the old Bishopsgate Goods Station in London, especially with the brick retaining wall. What may be interesting in future is the two hills either side of the entry to the MPD and how they'll develop into something that looks like terrain that was there before the railway. Never a dull moment at Chadwick.
Thanks DSJ, it’s great to have you on board. Regards Charlie
As always great video👍👍👍
Thanks Ron, it’s great to have you onboard. Regards Charlie
When you said freight yard Charlie, I was thinking of a simple one track in, three road track plan for a West Country stone quarry with loco release with either the Bachmann / Hornby (mk2) 08 or Sentinal shunter, with catch points, being loaded via JCB/Volvo shovels, with stone brought in via EFE, 8 wheeler tipper lorries. It was not until the end you said about set wagons, were there might not be a purpuse to have a real reason for wagons in that area! After all it's never going to be the a Whitemoor style hump shunt yard. I think having a so could shunt yard a part from the oil tanks it might look disengauged from thr the rest of the layout!
I do understand your point of view, however, we do need to install purpose to allow operators to enjoy the moment. Regards, Charlie
great video again Charlie cant beleive its been two weeks since your last one great progress look forward to your next one
Thanks mate, I’m so pleased that you can join me on this journey. Regards, Charlie
The change to that curve makes a vast improvement. When it comes too soldering across rail joints I’ve used an off cut from a Peco frog wire to form a loop around the fishplates so the join can still expand or shrink and it’s fine enough not to be too visible. For the tunnel a concrete beam would look better than the tunnel mouth at that angle, though I think you have enough room to straighten the tunnel mouth to a near right angle with the retaining wall following the curve of the helix track a bit further. That would even give a tiny bit more land to the goods yard, as for track plans I’ll leave that to the more professional folk.
Cheers Rob.
In real life there is a set limit of 15' rail lenght, so a soldered (welded) lenght would be right.
@@MrVinnyh unfortunately heat expansion doesn’t care about scale so this level of realism is not viable if like me your layout is in a loft.
Thanks Rob, much appreciate your suggestion. Regards, Charlie
Thanks Mr V, I never knew that. Regards, Charlie
I don’t think I’d be a great candidate to decide, but I wanted to comment that seeing the River scene makes me nostalgic for some of the old videos I’ve been watching recently while working on my own railway.
Still, do you have an anyrail with these measurements?
No Andrew, I’m afraid that I don’t.
Regards Charlie
Thanks for the video Charlie. Have fun with the suggestions. Sorry, freight yards like these are too new for me to be able to make suggestions. You do have a lot of space for it.
Thanks Don, I’m so pleased that you found it interesting. Regards Charlie
Awesome Video Charlie
Thanks Christopher, I’m so pleased that you found it interesting. Regards Charlie
Great progress. When designing a yard one thing I did when I was planning my layout was I got a copy of Trainz Simulator 12, this has a route creation mode and you can literally virtually build your design and play it to see how operationally interesting it will be. I realised this was a year ago but I’m assuming you still have much more work to do…..
Thanks Richard, that’s an interesting option. I had certainly never considered it. Regards Charlie
Hi Charlie, I know this isn't what you are asking about - I have no idea about track plans! - but when you come to do the road which leads to the road bridge, I would go for a 'dog leg'. Not a smooth curve running up to the bridge - like a railway track. I'd opt for am awkward corner, then maybe another short one onto the bridge. Partly because roads often do that - they go around things not through them, and partly to avoid everything looking to perfectly planned.
Just my opinion though.
Thanks Tinplater , for some valuable advice. Regards, Charlie
That's a lot of progress since I started watching
Thanks Ray, it is going rather well. Regards, Charlie
Hi Charlie, corners are often an issue on layouts, in terms of the tunnel/ bride i would start with the road and work it from there to see what looks real however the tunnel being angled is a bit weird. In terms of the freight yard i will leave it to those with far more knowledge than me.
Many thanks for sharing your thoughts Four Oaks. Yes, the tunnel entrance is a bit of a head scratcher. Regards, Charlie
Can you square it up?@@ChadwickModelRailway
Hi Charlie. I don’t feel qualified to help you out with a track plan but it’s going to be interesting to see what others come up with. All the best
Thanks David, I thought it would be interesting to involve more folks. Regards, Charlie
Sometimes a slightly wobbly arc can make the layout look more natural. Rocks and dirt move over time, and plenty of lines in nature are not perfect :).
Thanks for showing all of this. I am gettign a lot of ideas from watching how your layout develops that I can integrate into my layout once my health allows me to get back into it :)
That’s very kind of you to say so EA. Good luck when you restart your project, regards, Charlie
Don't forget the headshunt!! 😁
Failing that, you'll probably need a shunt limit on the approach road, and a shunter storage spur.
You’re all over it, Neil, I just need your track plan! Regards, Charlie
Congratulations once again on the UA-cam Awards
From me and swimbo
Thanks most kind of you both.
Regards Charlie.
Sorry if it was a bit early in the morning
Please delete the message if I have spoilt the surprise
Looking forward to This week video and the iTrain v Traincontroller test is keeping you entertained I’ve got both but sticking with Traincontroller
No problem, Chris, it’s great to have you on board. Regards Charlie
@@ChadwickModelRailway Thanks Charlie A well deserved award with some stiff Competition
Keep up the Great work.
Those track plans that were submitted were great and in some many formats I particularly liked the physical Old Three rail and the Anyrail ones I’m still learning it not enough hours in the day
We look forward to seeing The West Camel Team in December again as they were very kind and all took time out to chat to Swimbo and myself it’s just a shame it’s only one Day
Once again Congratulations
Love Charlies videos
Thanks Shane, that’s most kind. Regards, Charlie
Hi Charlie! You do like a challenge, don’t you? 😅 I am glad you have opted to go for a wood base rather than the other version as it makes sense to me, not least because it means you have the access which you point out, but also I think it will be more robust and easier for maintenance. 🤔
I’ll certainly have a crack at this if I get the chance, though it will be old fashioned paper and pen with me! I’m glad you moved away from the brick tunnel mouth idea, but I’m not so sure about dispensing with the plate girder bridge idea. I must admit, the girder bridge option was something I thought the other week and I’ll do my best to draw what I mean if I can 🤓 Also got why I think is an interesting idea for the road which is inspired by my observations of Ripple Lane sidings on our line (c2c) and how Road access was created without disrupting the running lines too much 😊
Cheers Charlie, have a good week! You going to Milton Keynes? Hopefully I might bump into you at some point 😉👍🍀🍻
Many thanks for sharing your thoughts Tim. I’ve received around 10 track plans with various levels of complexity.
All very interesting.
Regards Charlie.
that is going to be a great yard looking very good
Thanks James, I’m so pleased that you found it interesting. Regards Charlie
Dear Charlie, humbly think you should consider a cutting instead of a tunnel where the leads for the reverse loop, on the lower section, wander off. Together with an access road to the freight yard over the cutting this will allow for two bridges close to each other. At or around the location of the bridge abutments you can then camouflage the tracks going underneath the freight yard board. Through the cutting you can put some dilapidated or disused track, which will allow for an interesting scene, as well as the layout’s connection to the outside world.
On the freight yard’s baseboards; with all the different tracks you’ve mentioned, I think the best way to approach this footprint is to scrap anything you don’t really need. Yes, a run around section may seem an obvious necessity. However, when the freight yard is operated with a dedicated switcher, the run around may not be absolutely necessary. For visual interest I think it would be best to reduce the amount of track, to display the different customers of the freight yard. To be truly honest the most obvious track configuration you can now place on these two boards is too much in line with all the other tracks on the lower elevation. My main suggestion therefore is to consider a slight addition to the baseboards which will allow for some spurs to point in the less obvious directions, which in the end will make the freight yard look much more interesting.
Cheerio
Many thanks for your invaluable comment Vincent. I shall certainly look into the option of a cutting rather than the tunnel. Regards, Charlie
Great Video has always Charlie , The only thing I dislike is the acute angle of the tunnel port hole, A more perpendicular port hole would look way better in my humble opinion .
I think that you’re right David, the jury is still out. Regards Charlie
Another brilliant video Charlie 👍
Thanks Alan, you’re too kind mate. Regards Charlie
Quite a bit of '' modeling ''including I do, we do, and you do, demonstrating visual, pictorial, and abstract learning, along with space practice retrieval, not to mention Brunner's Spiral Learning, and Vygotscy's Scaffolding, as well as Piaget's developmental theory, can be applied here. Then, of course, problem-solving by identifying what sort of problem, to configure the track positioning, or how many rectangles or triangles can be identified. Finally the properties of the triangle, such as acute, with two angles less than Forty Five Degrees.
Thanks for keeping me on the straight and narrow librarian 46, I always seem to go off at a tangent! Regards, Charlie
Hi Charlie what a great idea for the position of the freight yard.
It will be an interesting area when finished and also to see what some of the ideas subscribers come up with.
I'm not experienced enough to offer a plan but would be willing to help in voting for the best one to help you decide your final choice.
Your video construction and presentation is brilliant.
Glad you're not afraid not rip up a change things, as they say "it's not over til the fat lady sings!😂
Take care mate
Thanks David, it comments such as yours make it all worthwhile.
Regards Charlie.
So you wake up Charlie at 3am with an idea. Well so do I, but do you follow my example and actually get up and do it at 3am?!!
I won't indulge in the goods yard as I only model prototypes and there are plenty of those in books. Great video Charlie as it is always good to hear your train of thought. Cheers, Bob
Thanks Bob, I’m so pleased that we both have the early morning brainwave. Regards, Charlie
Hi Charlie Just an observation if any of your viewers want to provide a trach plan as you suggested you didn't give the distance between the middle section . Between the 41cm & 32cm depths
Thanks Tim, I’ve now put all the measurements in the pinned comment. Regards Charlie
The bridge cross member to cut a section of thin foam to its shape and then cut two rectangular sections and them make them look like some form of reinforced concrete.
Sound advice mate. Many thanks.
Regards Charlie
How does that saying go?... Something like "It's one kind of freedom to be able to make up your own mind when you need to but it's quite another kind of freedom to be able to change your mind when it suits you." To me it shows a flexible mind and an adaptable nature... A good episode Charlie. I wonder what your nets will yield.
Thanks NDV, for such a heartwarming comment. Much appreciated, regards, Charlie
Absolutely fascinating stuff Charlie. As a rookie, my own thoughts on your track plans won’t be worth a jot , but I’m going to be intrigued by the comments you receive from those far better qualified than me to comment, and the final decision you’ll make……I’l be watching this space, as ever. can’t wait to see what you conclude.
Thanks Adrian, I’m pleased that you enjoyed the video. It will be interesting to see what other folks come up with as a track plan. Regards Charlie
I think you may need to add another short board rather than that hillside at the end, as you are going to be tight for space.
Im a freight driver myself, an arrival & departure loop for the trains to enter/exit, then leading into the yard itself is the ideal option.
You dont HAVE to have a run round loop, providing you have a shunt loco you can use. Would make it more interesting if anything.
Say for examples sake you just had a 3 road dead end yard, the train would come into the arrival road, loco detach and run round via departures, then back the train in that way.
Alternative is have an 08 ready to go onto the back of the train instead, and the loco could come off straight onto a fuelling road instead.
You could also if length id limited split the train in half down two roads which gives you more play value, this is a regular on intermodal trains due to their length.
I will be at GETS if you need some ideas.
Eric
Thanks Eric, advice like yours is truly invaluable. Take care mate, regards, Charlie
Great video looking forward to seeing what happens next it is looking good
Thanks Clive, I’m so pleased that you found the video interesting. Regards Charlie
Hi Charlie; yet another inspirational video; change and adapt for the better. Video shows how even with best planning; change can always tale place. Always make more mess))) something seem to enjoy. Look forward to see the offering of the track plans and how they will merge all togther to give you the bast options. Two heavy ply boards; going to get heavier as you finish them.. have you ever weighed a board once completed…all best and thankyou again for time in post to produce these great videos. Marc from Leighton Buzzard
Thanks Marc, for an excellent comment. Your thoughts about the weight of a finished board is very interesting. We can often forget how much weight we are putting down. Regards Charlie
Wow, it’s all go at Chadwick!! As I’m still pondering my own track mistakes I’ll leave the plans to the pro’s. Looking forward to seeing the result though. Definitely think leaving the exit from the Helix open was the right decision though 👏👏
Although using Google Earth, why not have a look at ‘Garston Freight Liner terminal’ (its in Liverpool near to Garston Dock as a landmark. Has 6 lanes and very short single track entry from a double track 👍
Thanks MP, I’m so pleased that you found it interesting. Regards Charlie
A thought on the tunnel mouth and the acute angle its at versus the track. Why not straighten it up a little, then run a road bridge over the Helix lines, over the TMD tunnel and down to the TMD fuel depot. Could have a road link there, it would cover the track a little (the bridge) and all, but it could give some flow between the fuel depot and the freight depot. Might make everything flow a bit better, though it would require some handiwork to get the alignments and odds and ends connected.
Hopefully that makes sense, but all the same, love your work Charlie. Your channel is always a delight to watch.
Thanks, a crumbling world. It’s some thing that occurred to me sometime ago, but I seem to have let that one slip. Regards, Charlie
Look forward to seeing the plans develop 🙂
Let’s hope for some interesting responses Andrew. Regards, Charlie
Great video as ever. Your P’Way maintenance team won’t thank you when they eventually have to replace that set of S&C in the tunnel!
They are probably bored, waiting for something to ruin their day anyway!
Regards Charlie
Good afternoon Charlie I'm usually a quiet one that just watches your videos as they are very good but I would like to add. As everybody will be focusing on the track design I was looking at the side that you had showed where you left it open. What about considering trying to do some kind of framework around it make it look kind of like a Subway passing. Just to show a little more visibility. Thanks Uncle V's Trains
You make a very interesting suggestion. However, perhaps the answer is to have a completely removable wall to show the activity on the reverse loops. Regards, Charlie
Im convinced Charlie only changes his mind so much so he gets to make lots of mess everywhere XD
My mess making is a gift, Nathaniel! Regards, Charlie
Looking great as usual Charlie
Thanks EWR, so pleased that you enjoyed it. Regards, Charlie
Hi Charlie
Hope you don't mind using the picture you granted me as my profile image.
Two points. Some comments mention the volume of brickwork. I agree. A way round it might be to use a arcade / cut out retaining wall. It would add a different feature, look good with the helix and fitnwith other areas. Believe there are foam versions available with my limited knowledge.
This would also fit with some of the London terminals that have this affect.
With regard to the track, I have something similar in my planned layout. I have just got one arrival departure line from the main track and then created a narrow gauge gravel and cement yard. I hope the narrow gauge will add another interesting aspect I hope.
Hi JS, feel free to use my picture. Picking the correct material for the retaining wall will no doubt be a challenge. However, with a couple of big shows coming up I’m sure I’ll find something. Stay safe, regards, Charlie
Forgot to say good luck Sunday at awards. Will be there to cheer you on. 🎉🎉
Think tunnel looks a bit odd but grey abutment looks good, perhaps add brick on each side for a few inches, don't forget ground signals
I think that you’re bang on the money there Martyn, Regards, Charlie
Being ex navy, Charlie has to keep the Battleship Grey in his life
Excellent video (as always)
if you happen to swing by ‘James Street’ at GETS next weekend I’ll be happy to talk you through our yards and how we operate them - we have enough of them!
Thanks, D 57, as very kind offer. See you on Saturday, regards, Charlie
Wow who knew playing trains could be so complicated!!!
It’s almost like an affliction, Graham! Regards, Charlie
Charlie, Maybe you should post a vertically taken photo to see how the lines from helix and tunnel look like. Could make a difference resizing the triangle plate (and track work)
That’s an interesting proposal, Filip, I shall have a little look. Regards, Charlie
I would love to design something for you but I don’t have any idea how they design yards on your side of the pond I do look forward to seeing what people come up with though. I did enjoy having my morning cuppa watching your video
That’s great news SF. I’m so pleased I can join you for breakfast. Regards, Charlie
You need to build a bigger house. Seriously, I will allow those who model your scale, involving passenger coaches & freight wagons make these decisions. But, “Your mind is spot on!” You are willing to take a risk, reconsider and forge on and you are a great example for those joining us in “The Hobby!” Well done! -from across the pond.
Thanks Stephen, for such a heartwarming comment. Stay safe, regards, Charlie
In my opinion Charlie, I think you’d benefit from a visual transition between the helix tunnel portal and the tunnel/bridge portal disappearing under the Freightliner terminal. If you make that whole wall (which is currently just white card) a retaining wall, then that’s a LOT of brick. There’s a lot of brick walls on the layout already. The road coming up from the river to the FL terminal makes it look like the terminal is placed upon a natural shelf, above the rest of the layout.
So, what I’m suggesting is; some of that area and cutting should perhaps be exposed and cut rock, where the navvies sliced through the natural shelf.
It also means that with a bank or exposed area, the loop line portal could come forward a little, to come closer to a right angle over the line it covers.
Personally, I think it’d look good if the helix portal had some retaining wall around the portal, transitioning to cut rock, under the road bridge, into an embankment, over the loop portal and turning into more of a steep, overgrown slope until it meets a the FL terminal feed line. The grassy bank would probably get too steep In reality to hold soil and would probably return to retaining wall in the real world.
It’s just a suggestion, but I’m sure you’ll do a fantastic job whatever you do! My immediate thought was that there is already a lot of uniform brick walls on the layout, that’s all.
That’s a very interesting proposal L779, and one which I am considering in places. Regards, Charlie
Charlie, have you thought about including a motorail service at the freight yard, or would it be just vans and wagons, because it could add some extra interest?
That’s an excellent suggestion William, and I do have some motorail wagons. Regards, Charlie
Personally, I think that the tunnel mouth breaking away from the retaining wall at an angle , which is more orthogonal to the branch, wouldn't only make this look more "natural", but also add another bit of visual interest, as there should be quite an assembly of angles in this corner (which may also suggest some history).
But mind that is all about what you want this to be like and a layout is ultimately an expression of you.
Thanks Noland 65, I really do appreciate your advice. Regards, Charlie
Another good vlog Charlie, I think I will leave the track design to more technical minds haha 😂
Thanks Martin, I have some very interesting proposals coming in. Regards, Charlie
What about an inglenook shunting puzzle track layout for the yard, with an additional arrivals loop to free the arriving loco?
An interesting thought, Matt, perhaps the best of both worlds. Regards, Charlie
As always, a good video, I would love to help out with your design but I am close to a year in starting mine and I don't have a size let alone a plain but I will be starting within the next six months when I have made room.
Also I did give my vote to you.
Thank you for your good advice in your videos.
Thanks John, and very much appreciated. It’s great to have you on board, regards, Charlie
Morning Charlie. I was quite surprised to see the difference in the curved lines to the helix once you moved that point. I did think they would be tighter than what they were. Certainly gives you better scope when laying the baseboard for the freight yard. The tunnel portal should be one of those concrete ones to give it a slightly more modern look to it. Is the yard totally pre container era or about the era of transition? If so then that will have an effect on the layout of tracks and it could make an interesting feature of the yard. No good at planning I'm afraid, not good at logical scenarios. I tend to lay something out, change and change again. All in all looking good at Chadwick. All the best, Kevin
Many thanks Kevin, I’m so pleased that you found it interesting. I agree about the concrete lintel, and it will be interesting to receive some interesting track plans. Regards, Charlie
Charlie that was a really informative video ! When you were measuring on the turn out for a medium radius curve, where did you start the measurement at on the point ? Thanks again Charlie - hope you continue to make very interesting videos ! It really helps me a novice to this hobby
I’m so pleased that you found interesting Geoff. I started the curve at the edge of the diverging track on the point. Regards, Charlie
Another good video
Thanks Lloyd, it’s great to have you on board. Regards Charlie
Thank you as always Charlie, a great watch. I felt when giving the dimensions for the rail line to fill, that you neglected to outline the space that the Road would take up, and what it is serving. Regarding the Tunnel Mouth, I got the impression that the white cardboard 'temp' wall was 25mm too high and so gave the wrong impression at the tunnel mouth. Clearly your freight yard over the top of of the return loop is a complete 'invention, which would never naturally occur. So should the line into the tunnel, heading to the return, actually create the impression it is going 'straight on' i.e. parallel to the room wall? if so it needs to come further into the layout to be further from the curve. Regards.
You would need to add another 6 inches of (Was it 18mm) ply above where the Diesel is sat with the oil tanks at the end of the video. I know that the retaining wall would then be very pointed, but make it look as though it too is headed for the room wall, with just a simple opening to allow the line through. Perhaps you have cut that first board too early and need to go again? or need a very cleverly supported addition. One end of which could be supported against the wall if you cut down the celotex there by 18 mm
While I have you, two weeks ago when preparing the landscaping around the return loop, at the start you did not install the tunnel mouth, as you wanted to prepare an interior wall for the tunnel, to maintain the illusion. But at the end you had installed the tunnel and its interior wall. You now have two opportunities to explain how this works, here and on the tunnell mouth to Helix 2. Please can you include this when you do it. Thanks
Thanks Roger, for two excellent comments. I shall certainly look into the relay of the reverse loop tracks. However, it’s very difficult to extend the boards.
I will certainly video the building of the tunnel linings. Regards Charlie
I also use the pico 6 way gauge, as you are aware, they are also useful for platform heights. Is poplar ply better than marine ply? The pico grey bridge crossover looks better. Unfortunately I won't be able to supply a plan as it has been my experience recently that no matter how much I plan something, I always seem to miss something out like a signal box for example.
Once again a Very good, interesting video.
Hi Sam, poplar ply is much lighter than birch but softer.
No problems about the plan.
Regards Charlie