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artists??? ARTISTS WHERE??? These are commodifiers not artists. If you made your music to be sold...you are not an artist you are a commodifier. Commodifiers specifically in the hip hop community your are taking pieces of black American culture, putting it in dime bags, linking with a bank in the form of a record company...to sell those dimebags...so long as the commodifier is being paid, they could care less about how their toxified pieces of culture affect those purchasing it. I could care less about this cry baby. I could care less about his money. I could care less about his contract. Please stop calling people who make music based commodities and entertainment commodities and calling them "artists". They are not artists...He, the guy being discussed, is not an artist...he does not create art. He is a commodifier...he makes commodities...he is crying about not being paid for his commodity. I could care less.
He is a guppy. This “ content creator “ tried to accuse someone else of being a clout chaser when his whole channel is doing what everybody else is doing. Just mediocre reviews talking tripe about other people. Make it make sense.
He didn’t read the contract, sheesh, the term says that contract will continue for a period of 3 years from the effective date he signed, plus he don’t mention none of the terms for section 1 as you mentioned plus no clause of action of agreement for section 1 if breach other than the one time flat fee & use of content. He shouldn’t have signed that contract because they rightfully own that video for 2 more years & use it how they desire on their platform because he signed the contract & gave them the approval. He shouldn’t have signed because there’s not enough information in the contract, there’s no disclosure of how much he will be paid & he didn’t even disclose if he got paid yet, he probably didn’t even get paid yet & didn’t discuss a allocated salary of payouts or payment. He can sue for not paying them royalties but it be a difficult battle because he agreed to a undercover 360 (ancillary contract) with no royalties nor flat fee based on the information we was given so far 😅 The good thing is he still owns his masters & copyrights for the video in section 1. Best thing he can do is accept the L & somewhat of a W for free advertising his status/business. However, they didn’t do a proper evaluation of breaching their contract with summin summin summin terms of agreement. The most he will get is 100 dollars mentioned in the contract + all the flat fee payments mentioned was paid in the beginning of the contract till the present day he mentioned this in this video. They legit said it in the contract, neither party’s total cumulative liability arising from or related to this agreement, whether in contract or tort or otherwise, will exceed the greater of $100 and the amounts paid by output to licensor which is (summin summin summin) under this agreement. The limitation of liability set forth in this section will not apply to any indemnification obligations! (With this being said they’re saying hey dude we will not be obligated to any liabilities set forth by “summin summin summin” because this section clearly states this section does not apply to any indemnification obligations from output that you’re seeking. So basically they saying you can try your best to sue us dude but the most likely the case will get dropped or you’ll get either just $100 mention in the contract or $100 + the $300 mentioned in email with Kevin lau which was probably a upfront fee 😬, so max he will receive is $100-$400. Rule 1, read the contract Rule 2, analyze wording to see if they’re trying to play you from your master’s & royalties or any other attachments that come with your business, plus term’s & conditions required from both parties with exit clause mentioned. Rule 3, payout structure & duration of contract of what is being exchanged from both parties. Long story short if you made it this far, “Summin Summin Summin” signed a undercover ancillary 360 deal for 3 years, only thing that’s a W for him is he gets to keep his masters & copyrights while getting a little buzz from Output & he got about $100-$400 bucks & if he does decide to sue & wins the case he got about $200-$800 overall & still had to pay lawyers & attorneys, so in my opinion it’s not worth suing Output, just let them do what they desire for 2 more years & you free Mr.Summin Summin Summin. I hope this helps, greats video from the magnificent, beautiful red head ❤, although, let this be a example of what not to do guys & gals, however I hope the best for Mr. Summin Summin Summin, no one deserves to be exploited, fr, fr.
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Wow that limitation of liability clause is a joke to me. Is it like a license to breach the contract with $100 ticket at most? . I might be old school but I signed dozens of contracts with publishing companies, artists and labels in the past and never saw that thing. Is it something new?
Hey great video! What this all boils down to is that an attorney should’ve been involved on his end from the go. It is super unfortunate that he is going through this but to be honest This was a business deal. It is super important that as creators with a creative business we should keep an attorney on retainer to represent our creative business so that things like this don’t happen. The lesson here is to keep an attorney on hand and have them involved in the deals you do. You could even raise your fee as a creative for your services to make sure that your attorney fees are built into your price. Yes it raises your price but at the same time we have to remember that this is business. Output has an attorney on retainer at all times so why shouldn’t we as creatives do the same thing. After all this is business. Be blessed.
Worst part is... Its probably not the creative guys that make the software ..its the suits in the advertising/promo department. Smh. It's like record companies all over again.
Honestly, I wouldn't want to do business with someone who seems this angry when something goes sideways. He comes off like a hot head, and this is him holding back, I would bet. Be a man, handle your business calmly and in private. Showing this side of yourself in public makes you look weak and unlikeable. Just my opinion. If he's been wronged, there should be justice obviously, but don't be surprised when the phone stops ringing.
On one hand i applaud him for demythifying the fact contracts aren't plain english On the other hand, he sounds like he only read it after shit when left Might have to take the L
Love to see you backing Summ X3 and breaking it down. The rev streams and biz relations can be one sided but x100 when the big companies start breaking agreements.
28:31 IF it’s from something else. It sounded like he’s mad they are STILL using something he already made under the agreement in a “new” post. They need to define their terms: is a repost with new language like “check this out!” [then the repost of an existing video under the contract] - is that a “new post”? Because it can be argued either way. But yeah, if it’s not a vid he made and previously supplied to them under that contract, then OF COURSE it’s copyright infringement, possibly on a few levels, right? You have a copyright interest in the video itself, the underlying music, the theme music, the outro music, etc.
Great video, interesting insight into a particular case, and the general info you explain is amazing. I understood what you said. V good for a lawyer lol Please do get Sumn Sumn Sumn on the show, it would be great to see you two working out how to play this, and possibly even see how it all turns out. Really would love to see that. V interesting case!
8:29 eh….be careful here. Content NOT made under a contract may need permission. But that may not indicate that content made as PER the contract does. It really depends on the language of the agreement.
most of the companies I’ve done paid work for I have a close relationship with and I don’t mind when they use my clips of a video they paid for as an ad
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I know.... they are so good. But to be fair he's not bashing the quality of product. The situation is unfortunate. I'll be paying attention for his update.
What a case! Interesting to learn more about contracts. So many underwater stones. And these Limitations of Liability lines give right away a big advantage to the company. Thank you for sharing!
@Krystal, your advice rocks as always! Thank you so much for taking the time to review and highlight the main points of his potential case and reviewing main topics of the agreement! He does need more assistance, and having him on the show could help him understand his position better as well as how to move forward.
Personally I would have consulted with a lawyer upfront before signing so I understand what I am signing fully. There’s clearly a misunderstanding here that is glaring.
24:49 exactly. His dumb a** ain’t anonymous. If he has a claim with this other person who is FROM the licensee? Yeah. That brings in Output again. (For a second, that sounded like someone from Output getting pissed).
@TopMusicAttorney I don’t know if you saw my previous post, but I would really appreciate if you could offer any insight on my situation. It wasn’t just my music being used. It was also the experience that changed my life forever. I’ve been reaching out to attorneys left and right for the past few years, but I don’t get any responses.
You use anything music related that wasn’t originally created by you or belongs to you then yes your going to get screwed in the end, that’s why you buy a instrument and learn to play it so your not answering to nobody but you
You didn’t build that instrument yourself you’re gonna get sued for using sounds you didn’t build yourself too 💀. Thats why you should go build your own instruments and maybe that way they won’t say you took someone else’s sound.
I wonder if “make no new posts” is interpreted by Output to mean not to use his music elsewhere after the fact, but they still will treat the video itself as theirs to use surviving the term length. So it’s still the post he made (meaning the video) and thus counts as a REPOST not a NEW post, if you get my meaning? Also, the whole typo in re section nine (which doesn’t exist) tells me their legal is hella mid. We all cut and paste, but you HAVE to be sure not to convolute K language in the process. There was likely a section nine in the contract they copied FROM. I wonder if the implied work for hire in the survival language was copy/pasted from some other agreement where it DID make sense, because the whole at-will language runs counter to the right to cure language. If it’s at-will, it means you can cancel at any time with the given 30 day notice. But to then say he has 30 days to cure any breach - WHAT breach? It said any party can terminate for any reason with 30 days notice. So the other party can pull a reverse uno card and CURE??!? Tf??!?
That's SumSumSum problem and not the users of their plugins honestly. Plugins still are great but this is just an issue between him and this company regarding an endorsement.
It’s not the user of the plugins problem until they make a song with it that becomes a money making hit and you realize you didn’t read the fine print on royalties. It’s royalties free with a subscription yes, what if you are no longer subscribed when the song becomes a hit?
It’s not the user of the plugins problem until they make a song with it that becomes a money making hit and you realize you didn’t read the fine print on royalties. It’s royalties free with a subscription yes, what if you are no longer subscribed when the song becomes a hit?
It’s not the user of the plugins problem until they make a song with it that becomes a money making hit and you realize you didn’t read the fine print on royalties. It’s royalties free with a subscription yes, what if you are no longer subscribed when the song becomes a hit?
20:07 again: is schedule one just INDICATING the type of content or the entirety of the content? Because if you look at the term length, why would they have a term length in re performance if you (a) are talking about a single piece of existing content, that (b) they explicitly say that can use beyond the length therein, right? So I think another problem outside of not referencing the exhibit is that schedule one is vague and ambiguous af, and thus is void.
I have watched Dude’s videos and enjoyed them. I really feel sad that I have to watch him upset whilst explaining how he has been wronged because that’s not what I watch him for. I am no expert but I just wanna say to him, “please do not let a potentially stressful situation get to you”. Keep putting out positive and educational contents, please. In my opinion, whilst respecting yours, I’ll keep any legal situation out of view of the public till I get a result and use it to educate others. Peace.
If they pick something with the kind of language he has in his public stuff and THEN give in to a bully, that says more about the company than about SumnSumnSumn. Obviously it was OK with them before.
8:50 imma say it. That is very friggin vague and ambiguous. There needs to be language that indicates what the mean: content LIKE this, or this vid in particular? Because he said he made five or six videos for them earlier.
3:52 even if you THINK you’re telling the truth, you can be sued. The reasonable believe in the veracity of the matter asserted is an affirmative defense, sure. But you can still have some exposure.
Artists are not web designers and coders bro also what does making your own platform even mean? You want them to make a different internet or something? And regardless who servers are they going to use? They going to build the entire infrastructure when artists can barely get enough streams to begin with? What are you ever saying?
I worked with a company years ago, it was supposed to only be for a year. Years later, I put my music on UA-cam and that same company was flagging my music saying they owned it LMAO. In the dispute I mentioned that they weren't supposed to still have the music and then they sent me and email to null the contract when it was supposed to be done a year after we signed. I don't do collabs with these companies anymore.
I do not agree with any artist who is not willing to do the paperwork and data entry that proves writer/performance ownership .*. pending my own actions for updating tracks to be registered into SoundExchange & BMI, my credits are covered through my distributor which does more than companies like DistroKid -- I don't partake in 3rd parties because it adds mud to agreements and contracts * once again, I am here as a producer instead of being a consumer seeking a bag
This is kind of an ignorant thing to say because most artists have not been educated on nothing you just said, because they are music artists, right brain people, and this is all left brain stuff. That is why artists hire managers who usually end up robbing them as well.
@@Byronic19134 I appreciate your sentiment; however, I would not belittle the max of the level of intelligence in any individual. Before there was the option of "getting signed with a major label", artists are known for creating their work (images, sounds, clothes lines , etc) while also managing the business side. There was a time that the excuse that no one wanted to do the paperwork may have flown. I do not agree with you because there are way too many entrepreneurs who run their enterprise and also handle promoting/marketing and accounting. Others also partner with people who may have the same interests and that coexistence allows for teacher/student dynamics. I applaud you for your thoughts. I have been an artist and writer for a long time. I also have an Associate's degree in business administration. According to your logic, a left handed person is excellent at sketching skyscrapers and accompanying the picture with a haiku while a right handed individual can only solve calculus. The hemispheres of the brain actually have no specified seat for logic, creativity, and practical management for finances. People choose to focus and learn according to their own tastes. Chefs run restaurants. Bricklayers, tile setters, and painters are also contractors. Our Father's peace to you, your family, and your circle.
I have a question, so in 2013 I created a song called not the same and let a collaborator from Miami do a remix. A guy by the name of Memphis Bleek would end up hearing this song and a studio and liked the song so much that he put his own versus over my friends Remix. This part of the story takes place in 2015. That same year a producer by the name of ballistic beats gets in touch with me because we needed to do splits for the song. I remember just asking for about 300 -$500 and I didn’t care about, the royalty splits. He insisted on buying me a plane ticket to Miami so that we could discuss things and speak to his lawyer. While I was out there, the living conditions were not what I expected, I was sleeping in a three room storage warehouse that was converted into a studio. Had to shower at Planet Fitness and dry clean my clothes every few days. By the time we spoke to the lawyer, that’s when I found out that ballistic didn’t even have enough money to properly push the record that Memphis Bleek did. Ballistic was in charge of the song was going to be released and promoted, I believe the figure was around $30,000 just to get the song and rotation for radio. I remember not signing anything because ballistic wanted me to sign to his record label and after multiple discussions reiterated that I didn’t want to sign because it didn’t offer me anything. There was no advance. No royalty splits. Nothing that could’ve helped me as an artist or producer besides having my name legally bound to a contract. After I returned home, ballistic said he would fly me out to Miami again in a couple of weeks after he took a trip to Atlanta where he was at the home of Akon and I believe Serena Williams at some point. After losing contact with him and at this point, this was during July 2015, I became extremely depressed about this situation and ended up shooting myself which resulted in me going completely blind. Also, during the month of May ballistic and Memphis Bleek released this record and tried a small blog campaign to get it going, there’s still numerous posts on Twitter about it and even a complex magazine, web article where Memphis Bleek sits down and talks about. I wasn’t even credited as a producer During this point and it took me arguing with ballistic about having my name properly represented for him to update the cover art, at least the version that’s on UA-cam to have my name even though he also takes production credit. My voice tag was also removed from the final product. The thing about my situation is that because I went completely blind. I lost the phone that I was using during this time. And my phone number expired because I had a pay as you go plan. I couldn’t maintain these things because I was blind. I lost access to my email and pretty much all I have left is a video of me showing that I sent an email to my friend in 2013. This video clip also shows me playing the a cappella audio of the original not the same song. I have screenshots of Memphis Bleek telling me to attempt to go shoot myself again and him jokingly admitting that he did steal my music. This is from 2023. Ballistic beats blocks my social media accounts when I try to contact him about this. People know what happened to me was wrong, but during the time. After I went blind, I didn’t have the money resources or information to pursue a lawyer and being in Kansas it’s actually very difficult to find an entertainment lawyer. I know these events took place in 2015 and it’s almost been 10 years but both of these gentlemen have in someway shape or form acknowledged that something happened and that there was wrongdoing and even potentially admitted to it so is there anything I can do in modern day? I lost my eyesight and had to rebuild myself from the ground. I lost thousands if not millions of dollars. I used to be a UA-cam partner and get paid for my video views, I used to make money as a producer, and I was also an artist. If you manage to read all of this and give a response, thank you in advance.
1. That's a helluva story, brother! I hope you're doing well/better. 2. Memphis Bleek has been cold as ice for over 2 decades. That song has PROBABLY made all the money it's ever gonna make. Is 25%-50% of that song worth.. anything? Surely it's not worth enough to hire a lawyer... is it? 3. The song is sitting at 360k on Spotify (about $1200) and about 18k on UA-cam. Unless it's been licensed (for sync), somewhere, this song hasn't made any money to speak of. 4. Having absolutely ZERO legal knowledge, it seems +to me+ ... that you can check to see if it's been licensed somewhere but otherwise, your best case scenario is for it to be licensed at some point +in the future+ (which seems unlikely) and THEN to lawyer up... once there's enough money to claim a slice of. BUT... I have ZERO legal knowledge and I'm not the person you asked for advice so... feel absolutely free to ignore me, brethren. Best of luck.
@@nilespeshay1734 , yeah I’m doing OK now, but the experience and treatment that I went through is what pushed me to this point so besides claming royalties on the music itself I’d also want to pursue emotional damages.
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artists??? ARTISTS WHERE??? These are commodifiers not artists. If you made your music to be sold...you are not an artist you are a commodifier. Commodifiers specifically in the hip hop community your are taking pieces of black American culture, putting it in dime bags, linking with a bank in the form of a record company...to sell those dimebags...so long as the commodifier is being paid, they could care less about how their toxified pieces of culture affect those purchasing it.
I could care less about this cry baby. I could care less about his money. I could care less about his contract.
Please stop calling people who make music based commodities and entertainment commodities and calling them "artists".
They are not artists...He, the guy being discussed, is not an artist...he does not create art.
He is a commodifier...he makes commodities...he is crying about not being paid for his commodity. I could care less.
P.S. What this means ARTISTS...if Commodifiers don't like a platform...it means it is GREAT for real artists.
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He is a guppy. This “ content creator “ tried to accuse someone else of being a clout chaser when his whole channel is doing what everybody else is doing. Just mediocre reviews talking tripe about other people. Make it make sense.
He didn’t read the contract, sheesh, the term says that contract will continue for a period of 3 years from the effective date he signed, plus he don’t mention none of the terms for section 1 as you mentioned plus no clause of action of agreement for section 1 if breach other than the one time flat fee & use of content. He shouldn’t have signed that contract because they rightfully own that video for 2 more years & use it how they desire on their platform because he signed the contract & gave them the approval. He shouldn’t have signed because there’s not enough information in the contract, there’s no disclosure of how much he will be paid & he didn’t even disclose if he got paid yet, he probably didn’t even get paid yet & didn’t discuss a allocated salary of payouts or payment. He can sue for not paying them royalties but it be a difficult battle because he agreed to a undercover 360 (ancillary contract) with no royalties nor flat fee based on the information we was given so far 😅
The good thing is he still owns his masters & copyrights for the video in section 1. Best thing he can do is accept the L & somewhat of a W for free advertising his status/business.
However, they didn’t do a proper evaluation of breaching their contract with summin summin summin terms of agreement. The most he will get is 100 dollars mentioned in the contract + all the flat fee payments mentioned was paid in the beginning of the contract till the present day he mentioned this in this video. They legit said it in the contract, neither party’s total cumulative liability arising from or related to this agreement, whether in contract or tort or otherwise, will exceed the greater of $100 and the amounts paid by output to licensor which is (summin summin summin) under this agreement. The limitation of liability set forth in this section will not apply to any indemnification obligations! (With this being said they’re saying hey dude we will not be obligated to any liabilities set forth by “summin summin summin” because this section clearly states this section does not apply to any indemnification obligations from output that you’re seeking. So basically they saying you can try your best to sue us dude but the most likely the case will get dropped or you’ll get either just $100 mention in the contract or $100 + the $300 mentioned in email with Kevin lau which was probably a upfront fee 😬, so max he will receive is $100-$400.
Rule 1, read the contract
Rule 2, analyze wording to see if they’re trying to play you from your master’s & royalties or any other attachments that come with your business, plus term’s & conditions required from both parties with exit clause mentioned.
Rule 3, payout structure & duration of contract of what is being exchanged from both parties.
Long story short if you made it this far, “Summin Summin Summin” signed a undercover ancillary 360 deal for 3 years, only thing that’s a W for him is he gets to keep his masters & copyrights while getting a little buzz from Output & he got about $100-$400 bucks & if he does decide to sue & wins the case he got about $200-$800 overall & still had to pay lawyers & attorneys, so in my opinion it’s not worth suing Output, just let them do what they desire for 2 more years & you free Mr.Summin Summin Summin.
I hope this helps, greats video from the magnificent, beautiful red head ❤, although, let this be a example of what not to do guys & gals, however I hope the best for Mr. Summin Summin Summin, no one deserves to be exploited, fr, fr.
Hey!!! unison has done the same thing to me. I’ve terminated the context and they still have me in their UA-cam ads. Can you help me?
I hate those ads too 😆 I can't escape them 😫
i personally have had no issues with Output after completing 4 videos for them in the last year, absolute pleasure to work with and they make some of the best vsts fr 🔥🤞🏼
And if you ever did have an issue I hope you would handle it like an adult, not like this fool.
Yes, bring SumnSumnSumn to the channel if possible.
I appreciate u as always! Great content!!!
Thank you for sharing your story. It does so much for content creators and music creators.
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Wow that limitation of liability clause is a joke to me. Is it like a license to breach the contract with $100 ticket at most? . I might be old school but I signed dozens of contracts with publishing companies, artists and labels in the past and never saw that thing. Is it something new?
This dude act like he don't know the business 🙄
Hey great video! What this all boils down to is that an attorney should’ve been involved on his end from the go. It is super unfortunate that he is going through this but to be honest This was a business deal. It is super important that as creators with a creative business we should keep an attorney on retainer to represent our creative business so that things like this don’t happen. The lesson here is to keep an attorney on hand and have them involved in the deals you do. You could even raise your fee as a creative for your services to make sure that your attorney fees are built into your price. Yes it raises your price but at the same time we have to remember that this is business. Output has an attorney on retainer at all times so why shouldn’t we as creatives do the same thing. After all this is business. Be blessed.
Whoever buddy who sent email is 🗑 There's always a Karen Joeybagofdonuts lurking, hating and trying to defame someone 😒🤦🏽♂️
11:21 that’s exactly right, an amendment. That’s why the vague language under schedule 1 is HIGHLY problematic in a contract like this.
Worst part is... Its probably not the creative guys that make the software ..its the suits in the advertising/promo department. Smh. It's like record companies all over again.
Would love to see SumnSumnSumn back on the channel 🙌
Honestly, I wouldn't want to do business with someone who seems this angry when something goes sideways. He comes off like a hot head, and this is him holding back, I would bet. Be a man, handle your business calmly and in private. Showing this side of yourself in public makes you look weak and unlikeable. Just my opinion. If he's been wronged, there should be justice obviously, but don't be surprised when the phone stops ringing.
On one hand i applaud him for demythifying the fact contracts aren't plain english
On the other hand, he sounds like he only read it after shit when left
Might have to take the L
Love to see you backing Summ X3 and breaking it down. The rev streams and biz relations can be one sided but x100 when the big companies start breaking agreements.
That's nasty work...
28:31 IF it’s from something else. It sounded like he’s mad they are STILL using something he already made under the agreement in a “new” post. They need to define their terms: is a repost with new language like “check this out!” [then the repost of an existing video under the contract] - is that a “new post”? Because it can be argued either way.
But yeah, if it’s not a vid he made and previously supplied to them under that contract, then OF COURSE it’s copyright infringement, possibly on a few levels, right? You have a copyright interest in the video itself, the underlying music, the theme music, the outro music, etc.
I got an Output arcade advert. Perfect Irony right there! thankyou algorithm
Great video, interesting insight into a particular case, and the general info you explain is amazing. I understood what you said. V good for a lawyer lol Please do get Sumn Sumn Sumn on the show, it would be great to see you two working out how to play this, and possibly even see how it all turns out. Really would love to see that. V interesting case!
What I hate the most is people abusing from weakness, poverty, and ignorance and think that WE are disposable being
You are disposable to most, its dog eat dog.
@@HOLLASOUNDS I never said I wasn’t I said what I hated the most but you are absolutely right . I miss my dog so much
Thats most the scum in the industry…they prey on our hunger for stardom or finances and just wanting to do our music ISH
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Thank you for being here!
8:29 eh….be careful here. Content NOT made under a contract may need permission. But that may not indicate that content made as PER the contract does. It really depends on the language of the agreement.
All of arcades stuff sounds the same to me. I only use it for guitars and even that’s pushing it lol. I’m considering canceling. I like Sumn Sumn HTK.
Hold up.. you just proved. Content creators are dumb and stupid. It's all about getting paid. They don't understand contracts..
I knew this .. that’s why I do my research first before I invest on something.
Thanks for the heads up. The chances of any of those music making companies reaching out to me is slim to none. Lol.
Please do an update on this story. I’m curious to see how you handle this case. Thank you for providing so much information for the community.
Yes get this guy on the channel. Also, for the person that sent emails to companies, he gotta get punished.
Isn't all publicity good publicity? Isn't the value of being seen worth something?
most of the companies I’ve done paid work for I have a close relationship with and I don’t mind when they use my clips of a video they paid for as an ad
Because of your channel, a lot of these companies are gonna get their shit together!🔥 Finally peace of mind for artist and content creators! Let the entrepreneurship and collaborations commence!
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it's all good until Boeing starts a plugin company
Did dude really say he doesn't know who the infamous Kevin Liles is ?
Simple solution: read before you sign
Oh no not my fav VST company
I know.... they are so good. But to be fair he's not bashing the quality of product. The situation is unfortunate. I'll be paying attention for his update.
@@ThatOrko I know, I hope its not a sign of more shadiness incoming
Lets get a part 2👍
What a case! Interesting to learn more about contracts. So many underwater stones. And these Limitations of Liability lines give right away a big advantage to the company. Thank you for sharing!
Limitations of liability almost seem like they were designed to be abused.
I’m definitely hitting u up when I need help
Yes! Thank you for this video!
@Krystal, your advice rocks as always! Thank you so much for taking the time to review and highlight the main points of his potential case and reviewing main topics of the agreement! He does need more assistance, and having him on the show could help him understand his position better as well as how to move forward.
Oh look two different channels I watch lol
Glad I found your channel. I am a producer.
Personally I would have consulted with a lawyer upfront before signing so I understand what I am signing fully. There’s clearly a misunderstanding here that is glaring.
24:49 exactly. His dumb a** ain’t anonymous. If he has a claim with this other person who is FROM the licensee? Yeah. That brings in Output again.
(For a second, that sounded like someone from Output getting pissed).
@TopMusicAttorney I don’t know if you saw my previous post, but I would really appreciate if you could offer any insight on my situation. It wasn’t just my music being used. It was also the experience that changed my life forever. I’ve been reaching out to attorneys left and right for the past few years, but I don’t get any responses.
Contracts are very important to the last letter
#reasongang I saw it, I saw it! :)
You use anything music related that wasn’t originally created by you or belongs to you then yes your going to get screwed in the end, that’s why you buy a instrument and learn to play it so your not answering to nobody but you
You didn’t build that instrument yourself you’re gonna get sued for using sounds you didn’t build yourself too 💀. Thats why you should go build your own instruments and maybe that way they won’t say you took someone else’s sound.
I wonder if “make no new posts” is interpreted by Output to mean not to use his music elsewhere after the fact, but they still will treat the video itself as theirs to use surviving the term length. So it’s still the post he made (meaning the video) and thus counts as a REPOST not a NEW post, if you get my meaning?
Also, the whole typo in re section nine (which doesn’t exist) tells me their legal is hella mid. We all cut and paste, but you HAVE to be sure not to convolute K language in the process. There was likely a section nine in the contract they copied FROM.
I wonder if the implied work for hire in the survival language was copy/pasted from some other agreement where it DID make sense, because the whole at-will language runs counter to the right to cure language. If it’s at-will, it means you can cancel at any time with the given 30 day notice. But to then say he has 30 days to cure any breach - WHAT breach? It said any party can terminate for any reason with 30 days notice. So the other party can pull a reverse uno card and CURE??!? Tf??!?
That's SumSumSum problem and not the users of their plugins honestly. Plugins still are great but this is just an issue between him and this company regarding an endorsement.
It’s not the user of the plugins problem until they make a song with it that becomes a money making hit and you realize you didn’t read the fine print on royalties. It’s royalties free with a subscription yes, what if you are no longer subscribed when the song becomes a hit?
It’s not the user of the plugins problem until they make a song with it that becomes a money making hit and you realize you didn’t read the fine print on royalties. It’s royalties free with a subscription yes, what if you are no longer subscribed when the song becomes a hit?
It’s not the user of the plugins problem until they make a song with it that becomes a money making hit and you realize you didn’t read the fine print on royalties. It’s royalties free with a subscription yes, what if you are no longer subscribed when the song becomes a hit?
@@Byronic19134 I'm not talking about samples
This dude is handling the deal like a child.
20:07 again: is schedule one just INDICATING the type of content or the entirety of the content? Because if you look at the term length, why would they have a term length in re performance if you (a) are talking about a single piece of existing content, that (b) they explicitly say that can use beyond the length therein, right? So I think another problem outside of not referencing the exhibit is that schedule one is vague and ambiguous af, and thus is void.
I have watched Dude’s videos and enjoyed them. I really feel sad that I have to watch him upset whilst explaining how he has been wronged because that’s not what I watch him for. I am no expert but I just wanna say to him, “please do not let a potentially stressful situation get to you”.
Keep putting out positive and educational contents, please.
In my opinion, whilst respecting yours, I’ll keep any legal situation out of view of the public till I get a result and use it to educate others. Peace.
If they pick something with the kind of language he has in his public stuff and THEN give in to a bully, that says more about the company than about SumnSumnSumn. Obviously it was OK with them before.
8:50 imma say it. That is very friggin vague and ambiguous. There needs to be language that indicates what the mean: content LIKE this, or this vid in particular? Because he said he made five or six videos for them earlier.
14:19 it’s giving hella “work-for-hire.” 🤷🏽♂️ they get to keep using what was already produced under the agreement even past the term length?
Got an Output/Arcade ad before watching this video lmao
3:52 even if you THINK you’re telling the truth, you can be sued. The reasonable believe in the veracity of the matter asserted is an affirmative defense, sure. But you can still have some exposure.
Artists should make their own platforms.
Artists are not web designers and coders bro also what does making your own platform even mean? You want them to make a different internet or something? And regardless who servers are they going to use? They going to build the entire infrastructure when artists can barely get enough streams to begin with? What are you ever saying?
18:03 all this stuff is what I think Output interprets as “making” a “new post”. Did they change anything in the promo?
I worked with a company years ago, it was supposed to only be for a year. Years later, I put my music on UA-cam and that same company was flagging my music saying they owned it LMAO. In the dispute I mentioned that they weren't supposed to still have the music and then they sent me and email to null the contract when it was supposed to be done a year after we signed. I don't do collabs with these companies anymore.
I read the contract and it was a year only. They just held on to the music.
Discovered your channel from this vid. Definitely subscribing very dope
So, SumSum HTK should had You represent Him?
create your own sounds the Dawes have more than enough stock sounds nowadays than to subscribe to a place that's going to give you basic sounds
23:43 Tort! TORT! That can give rise to a separate COA! Cha-CHING!
Damm you look pretty
big L for both sides
Could that interference of business opportunity also fall into the relm of defamation?
She’s gorgeous 😍
21:46 data not datta.
Hi there… can you do Avid music distribution turn of service…..
3:26 also right of privacy. Blur and redact - 3:39 exactly.
I’m your new fan we need more people like you especially with your expertise
We need update
bring him on
13:56 so if they breach, is there implied acceleration of payment?
I love this channel,thank you for doing all this much love
22:09 F the liability clause. Is that even valid??!?
For sure would love and update on this situation
That's ugly and that is NICE as I can put it.
great video thank you for sharing : }
Not all heroes wear capes, but you should low key be talking to Marvel ( cosplay short incoming)
Thanks for making me smile ⚖️❤️
Expiration and termination are not synonyms.
I do not agree with any artist who is not willing to do the paperwork and data entry that proves writer/performance ownership
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pending my own actions for updating tracks to be registered into SoundExchange & BMI, my credits are covered through my distributor which does more than companies like DistroKid
-- I don't partake in 3rd parties because it adds mud to agreements and contracts
* once again, I am here as a producer instead of being a consumer seeking a bag
This is kind of an ignorant thing to say because most artists have not been educated on nothing you just said, because they are music artists, right brain people, and this is all left brain stuff. That is why artists hire managers who usually end up robbing them as well.
@@Byronic19134 I appreciate your sentiment; however, I would not belittle the max of the level of intelligence in any individual. Before there was the option of "getting signed with a major label", artists are known for creating their work (images, sounds, clothes lines , etc) while also managing the business side.
There was a time that the excuse that no one wanted to do the paperwork may have flown. I do not agree with you because there are way too many entrepreneurs who run their enterprise and also handle promoting/marketing and accounting. Others also partner with people who may have the same interests and that coexistence allows for teacher/student dynamics.
I applaud you for your thoughts. I have been an artist and writer for a long time. I also have an Associate's degree in business administration.
According to your logic, a left handed person is excellent at sketching skyscrapers and accompanying the picture with a haiku while a right handed individual can only solve calculus. The hemispheres of the brain actually have no specified seat for logic, creativity, and practical management for finances.
People choose to focus and learn according to their own tastes. Chefs run restaurants. Bricklayers, tile setters, and painters are also contractors.
Our Father's peace to you, your family, and your circle.
4:50 also, watch out for work for hire.
He look young af! Like ME!
I have a question, so in 2013 I created a song called not the same and let a collaborator from Miami do a remix. A guy by the name of Memphis Bleek would end up hearing this song and a studio and liked the song so much that he put his own versus over my friends Remix. This part of the story takes place in 2015. That same year a producer by the name of ballistic beats gets in touch with me because we needed to do splits for the song. I remember just asking for about 300 -$500 and I didn’t care about, the royalty splits. He insisted on buying me a plane ticket to Miami so that we could discuss things and speak to his lawyer. While I was out there, the living conditions were not what I expected, I was sleeping in a three room storage warehouse that was converted into a studio. Had to shower at Planet Fitness and dry clean my clothes every few days. By the time we spoke to the lawyer, that’s when I found out that ballistic didn’t even have enough money to properly push the record that Memphis Bleek did. Ballistic was in charge of the song was going to be released and promoted, I believe the figure was around $30,000 just to get the song and rotation for radio. I remember not signing anything because ballistic wanted me to sign to his record label and after multiple discussions reiterated that I didn’t want to sign because it didn’t offer me anything. There was no advance. No royalty splits. Nothing that could’ve helped me as an artist or producer besides having my name legally bound to a contract. After I returned home, ballistic said he would fly me out to Miami again in a couple of weeks after he took a trip to Atlanta where he was at the home of Akon and I believe Serena Williams at some point. After losing contact with him and at this point, this was during July 2015, I became extremely depressed about this situation and ended up shooting myself which resulted in me going completely blind. Also, during the month of May ballistic and Memphis Bleek released this record and tried a small blog campaign to get it going, there’s still numerous posts on Twitter about it and even a complex magazine, web article where Memphis Bleek sits down and talks about. I wasn’t even credited as a producer During this point and it took me arguing with ballistic about having my name properly represented for him to update the cover art, at least the version that’s on UA-cam to have my name even though he also takes production credit. My voice tag was also removed from the final product. The thing about my situation is that because I went completely blind. I lost the phone that I was using during this time. And my phone number expired because I had a pay as you go plan. I couldn’t maintain these things because I was blind. I lost access to my email and pretty much all I have left is a video of me showing that I sent an email to my friend in 2013. This video clip also shows me playing the a cappella audio of the original not the same song. I have screenshots of Memphis Bleek telling me to attempt to go shoot myself again and him jokingly admitting that he did steal my music. This is from 2023. Ballistic beats blocks my social media accounts when I try to contact him about this. People know what happened to me was wrong, but during the time. After I went blind, I didn’t have the money resources or information to pursue a lawyer and being in Kansas it’s actually very difficult to find an entertainment lawyer. I know these events took place in 2015 and it’s almost been 10 years but both of these gentlemen have in someway shape or form acknowledged that something happened and that there was wrongdoing and even potentially admitted to it so is there anything I can do in modern day? I lost my eyesight and had to rebuild myself from the ground. I lost thousands if not millions of dollars. I used to be a UA-cam partner and get paid for my video views, I used to make money as a producer, and I was also an artist. If you manage to read all of this and give a response, thank you in advance.
1. That's a helluva story, brother! I hope you're doing well/better.
2. Memphis Bleek has been cold as ice for over 2 decades. That song has PROBABLY made all the money it's ever gonna make. Is 25%-50% of that song worth.. anything? Surely it's not worth enough to hire a lawyer... is it?
3. The song is sitting at 360k on Spotify (about $1200) and about 18k on UA-cam. Unless it's been licensed (for sync), somewhere, this song hasn't made any money to speak of.
4. Having absolutely ZERO legal knowledge, it seems +to me+ ... that you can check to see if it's been licensed somewhere but otherwise, your best case scenario is for it to be licensed at some point +in the future+ (which seems unlikely) and THEN to lawyer up... once there's enough money to claim a slice of.
BUT... I have ZERO legal knowledge and I'm not the person you asked for advice so... feel absolutely free to ignore me, brethren. Best of luck.
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@@TheAlburp ? I don’t understand the emoji
@@nilespeshay1734 , yeah I’m doing OK now, but the experience and treatment that I went through is what pushed me to this point so besides claming royalties on the music itself I’d also want to pursue emotional damages.
@@SpeezyOTB It's a cap emoji 🧢because that sounds like cap lol
Awesome legal analysis!
So 13:15 he can remedy a breach.
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Do Too Lost next.
14:31 AHA!
You rock.
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Shoe On Head? Is that you? ..................................I kid I kid.
This isn't properly explained from the beginning, as in WTF is Output? I'm not signing any contract with anyone. It's all ridiculous.
Ok ! Then output should removed all content , if not pay the man ! And they wrongfully terminated him