Legacies 4x09 - Lizzie dies and wakes up in transition to a Heretic
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- Опубліковано 15 гру 2021
- Legacies season 4 episode 9
Hope Mikaelson kills lizzie. Lizzie wakes up in transition. Lizzie becomes a heretic
Hope becomes a tribrid again - Розваги
With her transition, Lizzie’s story has a lot of Parallels to Caroline’s journey. Her transition is what powered her to become her best version of herself and hopefully Lizzie’s transition will do the same for her insecurities
yeah but caroline didnt have a mental illness that causes her to rage and take things too far like lizzie when she was mad she went in kitchen and destroyed things that was her mental illness which could lead to no humanity lizzie at some point making her hunted by the triad for being an abomination to magic
I kinda hate how Lizzie can't ever be talked about without her 'mental illness'. Like 99% of the population has a mental illness if you think about it, everyone has become narcissistic and self absorbed.
Couldn't agree more with this statement. I am looking forward for Lizzie to grow more into her own person.
@@darkwitch8648 if I could like this comment a thousand times more I would. Mental illness is no joke. MotherFuckingSwear, TVD universe has PROVEN that. I'm not crazy tho...
Yes I hope so but the reason why Lizzie became a heretic is because she has Caroline blood in her
Lizzie: Speaks for the fans and calls out Hope for not killing anyone she cared about.
Hope: Let me remind you who this seasons villain is cuz it’s not Aurora
And then guess what , Lizzie became a threat too
This probably confirms to Lizzie that Hope doesn't care about her. Hope didn't kill Alaric- he's in a coma, didn't kill Josie or any of their friends when they confronted Hope. Yet when Lizzie confronts Hope, Hope killed her
Wtf? Hello LANDON IS SOMEO E SHE CARES ABOUT
@@indedgames4359 she HAD to kill Landon though- that was a necessity while killing Lizzie wasn’t
@@indedgames4359I think Lizzie doesn’t know Hope killed Landon
Lizzie is freaking smart. She always has a back up plan.
that is smart but not really smart.... because of Lizzies mental illness and that Alaric is in an coma or something it can cause her humanity to turn off and then she'll become a threat and triad is going to go after her too
OMG Same I know right even she is not dumb enough to believe enough emotion's can just reach a person like Hope so she had something in her pocket just in case.
So, that would me Lizzie and Hope can teamup? 😂💁🏻♀️
@@azzygrant1886 the triad is dead tho the only one left is aurora
@@azzygrant1886 everybody is always using Lizzie's mental health against her. But she realized she doesn't want to be like Aurora, someone who had the same mental health issues she does, Lizzie actively works on bettering herself, and even when she was consumed by a valid vengeance, she didn't go through with it. I don't think Lizzie will have the level of control that Caroline had with her vampirism, but I don't think Lizzie would let herself truly harm an innocent person because that's not what Lizzie wants to do
It's crazy that people think Lizzie wanted Hope to kill her when you can tell she's hurt that Hope actually had it in her to do it. I mean, you have the stake, but Hope wasn’t just gonna lay there and die. So, she ingested vampire blood just in case. Then she just couldn’t go through with it. Part of her was optimistic that Hope wouldn’t be able to kill her in cold blood but another part of her knew that if Hope could kill Landon with her humanity, she could definitely kill Lizzie without it.
Landon ask her to do and she didn't want to but both of them knew it was the only way
@@feedmemoreh8458 Yes it was a mutual understanding of what they needed to do but the point was that if hope could kill landon (Whether it was duty or not) with her humanity on (Yes her Humanity was on when she made the motions, she only turned it off when "That sword went through landon") than Lizzie should expect her to do the same thing without her humanity to her. Lizzie was just being smart and I think becoming a heritic will strengthen her character (Like caroline). Being good is too important to lizzie and caroline was just as damaged it just wasn't to the extream as Lizzie because caroline wasn't a witch.
I think everyone is forgetting how powerful a heretic is, the ability to have vamp strength and absorb magic at the same time one wrong move and hope's magic can literally be in Lizzie's hands. This is literally one of the best thing that happened to the show.
exactly! ONE heretic is a threat to Bonnie freaking Bennet who had the capability to kill Klaus Mikaelson
@@LovelyGamer115 She only had that power when she borrowed it from the witch spirits. On a regular day, Bonnie is nothing special. Hope has much more power than Bonnie ever did, and Lizzie's no match for Hope either.
Yea but Hope is a vampire and a witch. Vampirism is literally magic which means Hope has an unlimited source of magic. Without vampirism Hope's magic could fuel the french quarter witches magic for centuries so imagine what it does now. I don't think Lizzie could ever take Hope's magic.
@@111swinka but she can take alot
@@katewe4332 not really true. For some aspects, remember when Kai got bit from tyler he siphoned the magic and survived. So it’s going to be hard to kill Lizzie. Yes hope can try and rip her heart out, but Lizzie can use magic to protect herself. But I think they are working together if you saw the new promo
It’s sad knowing that hope really was ok with killing lizzie, she didn’t expect her to wake up, I’m not sure if lizzie will forgive her ever
considering she drank blood, she probably was mentally prepared for that scenario
Huh?
She still humanity turned off. Wtf are you talking about? By the way it was EASY for your sweet lizzie while her humanity was on. She stabbed the oak.
Her humanity was off tho. They’ve all tried to kill one another when it was off bc they didn’t care
I would like to believe that Hope actually knew that Lizzie had consumed the vampire's blood. It does not really make sense to kill her once but do not end her life while she is in transition
Legacies is finally getting really interesting. It's been fun to watch lately. Tribrid Hope and Heretic Lizzie as enemies or joining forces both work. This new character's ability to affect the squad is also intriguing.
The squad is done, they are too overpowered for the rest of them. The rest of the squad could get upgrades but it would have to be written well.
@@fullyactivated if kaleb fully activate his dragon powers they might have some trouble with that
I sat through the last two seasons just so I can watch this season. Did NOT disappoint I'm only on episode 6
I feel like Lizzie is/was so underrated. She is smart, unpredictable and she's a powerful witch (now a heretic)
I think she will be a "problem" for Hope and I also think that wasn't the only red oak stake.
Right
She was underrated because they were only using her for the love storylines which were epic and most interesting in past season but if they made her fight more she could’ve been even overrated. They didn’t balance her love story with her fights much. She barely use magic because she’s don’t want to turn anyone. She just used start magic for the first time and still didn’t go through with it. She’s a very interesting and good character easily the second strongest person in the show
Lizzie's speech before acknowledging that she can't kill hope was actually really good
lizzie knew she was going to die fighting/saving hope so she already took vamp blood.I hope she was'nt stupid enough to take hope's blood cuz she'll be sired to her.
since lizzie knew she was going to die theyll probably not going to blame hope lol
cuz yk it wouldnt make sense if she tells them that she drank blood to ''protect herself'' when theres literally protection spells
Right and Knowing how to cure is in Damon and if they take it out of it right now he dies So it’s like she kind of have to be a heretic for a while unless they figure out something else but I’m not complaining
Whose blood do you think it was? Kaleb’s or MG’s (assuming Kaleb’s blood can actually turn people considering the whole dragon thing
Honestly though that was Lizzie’s plan from the get go ever since she knew that the merger would happen, she knew for a fact that she wanted to be the heretic so Josie could be happy, but now I’m wondering how heartbroken Josie will be as Josie always protected her
Lizzie has a backup stake too. Hope doesn’t know what she’s gotten herself into. I felt so many emotions in that scene, i was on edge. So does this mean Hope is Lizzie’s sire? Hope has her own sireline so Lizzie has to be.
@@itskdiorr_ I don’t think it was Sebastian because vampire blood leaves your system after a certain amount of time so unless she had a stash it had to have been someone else’s
Doesn’t work that way. Lizzie had to drink her blood which she didn’t. She went in with another vampires blood mostly likely MG’s since he’s the closest vampire source she has.
I think it was probably Aurora's blood that is in Lizzie.
@@LBF522 yes Aurora is more likely than MGs blood, because he would never willingly give his blood to her without knowing her intentions. That's why she made Ethan keep her plan a secret.
She also could have taken Hope's blood by the school's werewolf cure stash.
Hope can compel other vampires like her father was able to, but we haven't seen Hope do that yet. Nobody can compel Hope as she is the only tribrid
She compelled that guy in the bar who wanted to give her to the triad. But because Rebekah daggered her, which didn't work, but she did went to a sleep. And the man wasn't compelled anymore. So I guess yeah.
Just the originals can compel other vampires,hope is the one and only tribrid but she can’t compel vampires cuz she’s not made by the original witch. (Sorry my English is a lil bad)
@@alwaysandforever5039 hope can compel other vampires. The guy at the bar who snapped Rebeccas neck was a vampire. And hope compelled him earlier in that episode
i believe that hope can compel other vampires, in 4x06 josie even states that her vampire side was comparable to “basically an original”. My main argument is that hope was born with original blood from her father ofcourse, so when she turned she had the magic that Esther used to create the original vampires. The difference here is that klaus didn’t “turn” her, If klaus turned anybody with his blood they wouldn’t be an original but that’s the point, hope wasn’t simply “turned” with klaus’ blood, she was born with it, it always ran through her veins, the magic esther used to create the originals was therefor always in her
but we never see an original compel an heretic...
I love the way she says " You're not actually gonna kill me"
Yesss
Lizzie really said “bish you thought you could kill me I only UPGRADE”
Welp looks like Hope got one emotion back. Fear! The look in her eyes when Lizzie wakes up is priceless.
that’s what I was thinking! she looks terrified lol
As a heretic, Lizzie is already WAY stronger than Dark Josie. Even if Josie is better at magic, Lizzie isn’t too far off herself, she can siphon AND has enchanted strength, speed and immortality.
yea but its not like Josie cant become a heretic too. so if it came down to it heretic dark josie would probably kick everyones ass. lol
@@jaydubbs8277 everyone? pls don’t hype up dj THAT much, the main character aka the tribrid isnt “everyone” don’t disrespect hope like that
@@socvntyla girl shut up i said what i said
@@jaydubbs8277 hope would end dark Josie so let’s not -
@@svpcrnly i said what i said🗣
For the record all three of the girls tried to intentionally kill each other when they are not themselves.
Lizzie wished Hope was never born
Dark Joise levitated hope and tried to drop her onto a steak
Joise tried to merge with Lizzie to kill her.
And lastly Hope snapped Lizzie’s neck but Lizzie is still a vampire.
In they end they are still sisters and girls play dirtier than boys.
I pray they introduce Caroline into the show soon. I feel like it would be perfect with Alaric not around right now and Lizzie turning into a vampire.
She’s technically not Turning into a vampire she is turning into a heretic which is basically the opposite of a hybrid..but instead of being a vampire and wolf she’s a vampire and witch
@@everythingFLO__ everything you mentioned is wrong, The Heretics is the name of the group of the hybrid Vampire-Witch members. If you want to be technical, they started as siphoners and by dying with vampire blood and their system and becoming vampires, they did indeed became hybrids. So Lizzie will be a Hybrid not a heretic which is a Title of a Group not a title of a species.
im pretty sure she will show up in this season, candice king already said she would love to come back and she hasnt even aged a day so shed still be perfect for the character.
Let's be honest, she was just aking for it. She was jinxing it all over the place with her "You won't kill me" talk.
Honestly I literally cried my ass out when she died. I really thought she won't comeback cuz of the scene between her and Josie and then a few seconds til the end she came back. I actually doubted the writers not gonna lie but they didn't kill her off which makes me happy.
Yoooo!
Lizzie is turning into a vampire/heretic?
She's following her mother's foot steps she's gonna be the best character like her mom-,
Unless she turns out like her uncle Kai. Let's hope not.
No, she's not.
@@audreymarie9646 oop
@@audreymarie9646 I honestly don't see that happening
Yes yes yes can't wait
Hope’s reaction was literally the most emotion she’s probably ever felt. It was almost like “Holy shit wtf have I done” 😂
That just shows how dangerous Lizzie will become worst with the mental issues lol plus hope killed her so Lizzie is probably team aurora now
Josie is leaving the show because on December 1st 2021 it was announced that she had been cast in a movie called “the locksmith” that she had auditioned for and it’s currently filming in Las cruces, New Mexico. She can’t be on the show and film the movie at the same time so she’s leaving the show for now at least. If she wants to come back after then she can
That's a relief.
She's done filming. I think she's just done with legacies.
This season is getting good! I'm so glad the writers finally went there. Talk about an emotional rollercoaster of an episode. I'm excited to see what's next with Tribrid Hope & Heretic Lizzie.
She provoked her. That what Lizzie wanted her to do.
OMG wait you think because that would make alot of sense because that was alot of trust she was talking about like she wasn't going to kill her and the music to I think you're right it might be her plan.
This really is the new generation of the Mikaelsons! Lizzie is in a lot of ways, like a sister to Hope and whilst she's not an original, heretics can siphon werewolf bites (so Lizzie is also probably immune to Hope's tribrid bite) and she can kill supernaturals by draining their energy and could technically kill an Original but Lizzie can't because she probably is the first of Hope's bloodline as a tribrid now by either doing something in the wine when she was drinking with Aurora or getting some of Hope's blood from her father's stash who keeps it for the werewolf bites. But being an heretic, Hope wouldn't be able to kill Lizzie easily either so they're pretty much stuck for an eternity with each other, but scheming against one another in a similar way as the Mikaelson siblings treated one another.
You can’t kill an original by siphoning them. Siphoning only descecates a vamp and believe originals are the strongest creatures ever and people have been after them trying to kill them for centuries. Lizzie is not the first siphon to appear even as a heretic you can’t kill an original by simply siphoning them. Besides Hope has a HUGE physical advantage
@@Allo.nvm02 Yes it does kill vampires and the Originals being immune is not confirmed to be canon and considering Kai could literally drain a spell powerful enough to reverse Alaric from an Enhanced Original to a human so theoritically it is possible. There was only one statement from Nora that they do have a limit to how much they can siphon and wether being actually capable of storing that much magic depends on the individual.
@@inferiorinferno8859 actually you can't kill an original by draining all of their magic. and there is proof of that in TO S1. remember when papa tunde was channeling rebekha by putting her inside a circle that was draining her, i don't remember who but someone said that it will kill normal vampire after all the magic was drained but since Rebekah couldn't be killed it makes her an endless source of magic. those are the exact words used in that episode. and about kai siphoning anti magic dome , it only shows that siphoner witchs can siphon a huge amount of magic.
@@ruturajbhoi3300 That scene in S1 isn't proof, because chanelling isn't the same as siphoning. If so, then every witch could be a heretic, but they can't. Heretics aren't normal vampires or normal witches.
@@inferiorinferno8859 he wasn't just channeling her like other witches do, he was draining magic. it looked similar but it's not. we have seen Freya channeling Elijah multiple times and all it takes it touching the person you want to channel but here he put her inside a circle draw a mystical symbol on her forehead.
Let's just pretend that Caraloine does not talk with Alaric from a month ans still thinks everything is alright.
I would love for Valerie to come back to help Lizzie with heretics stuff since they’re the only last two alive on earth
Same!
yes! completely agree, if not caroline, valerie would be a great option
Ikkk she said in the Interview that she would come back
When Lizzie said I have an insurance policy to Josie I knew I was like omg
this moment will be the most painful to remember when hope turns her humanity on, she didn't know lizzie would come back, she would really kill her
Someone call Caroline and tell her she can finally stop looking for a solution and for God's sake come back for good. Lizzie needs her now that Alaric is gone.
The merge will still Happen.
@@amirrezamohajer8155 no
@@Thiccems69 why not
@@amirrezamohajer8155 because Lizzie is now a heretic. Her vampire side means that she’s basically “dead” and in order for the merge to happen, you need two ALIVE witches. The merge will no longer happen as that is not the case anymore.
@@HLIMITED oh.
Smart of her to drink vampire blood before finding hope
We're not really gonna ignore the fact, that Hope killed her without knowing she would come back, are we ? Like from all the characters that turned it off, Hope was the one who went this far and actually killed her friend/family (Alaric, now Lizzie)
I think it will be the hardest to bring her back, and I have no idea who's able to do that right now (If only Hayley or Klaus could magically come back)
yeah it was the most messed up thing Hope did. Before we saw that Lizzie had vamp blood in her system, I thought it was pretty dumb of her to not simply run away or back down after hope got what she wanted. It would be such a sad way for her to die. This is good story telling but It really was a bad act Hope did. If Lizzie and Josie can't turn her humanity back on, I don't know what will.
This was basically when Damon killed Jeremy without knowing he was wearing the ring.
@@rontoranolan7024 yes, as much as i love both Damon and Hope, these actions cannot be excused
@@rontoranolan7024 but that was his normal personality lol. His humanity wasn’t off
@@rontoranolan7024 No, because Damon didn't actually consider Jeremy as a little brother-figure at the time, he eventually would, but not at that point in the story. Hope and Lizzie on the other hand, totally saw each other as family.
I believe their friendship is over after this they will never be the same again
But isn't her humanity off? I'm not knowledgeable on this show as much. But in TVD the General consensus when it came down to "no humanity" killings was that they didnt mean it and had no real control over their actions. (Yes I know there's free will and they don't have to but what I mean is that they have no control over what they do/don't do in regards to their emotions. Emotions/conscience can easily dictate whether or not they kill someone. Especially a close friend. Her Emotions, love and conscience would normally stop her but she has none. So now she has no control. You can control yourself through Emotions and not kill but she can't do that so she'll kill whoever she wants as there's nothing stopping her anymore) usually they apologize for their inhumane actions and are mostly forgiven and told its not their fault. So I'm wondering why they'd be offended by her actions if they know she has no humanity? Usually it's swept under the rug. So it's not all her fault but at the end if the day she needs to take responsibility for her actions either way.
@@leahalford5769 Caroline controlled everything and hope didn’t kill Clark maybe because she sees herself in him so Lizzie is gonna hate hope, mg hates Ethan for putting Lizzie in danger
@@davianstewart2539 aaahh okay thanks!
Imagine Lizzie also turning off her humanity to face hope🔥🔥
Let’s not
The fact that Lizzie is kinda of a control freak she turning off her humanity will be too dangerous because she’s gonna have a back up plan for everything
Never watched this show but i think i may start at season 4! These clips are great
Ill warn you. Season 4 is the only good season so far. In my honest opinion. If you want to watch the whole series i suggest starting with The Originals. The legacies is a spinoff series of The Originals
Start at season 3 to understand season 4
NO! Do not start at season 4 start at season 1 I’m TELLING YOU..u will be confused asf if u start at 4
Just like her father always under estimating people 😂🤣 Lizzie is awesome
Don’t ever say that about klaus he was literally the most ruthless and calculating killer in history. No one was smarter or a better tactician than him
@@zino723 it’s the truth. He always took L’s because he under estimated his rivals a lot. Rewatch the show and get off the Klaus boner.
@@zino723 one word Dahlia out smarted him in every way only to be bested by her sister
@@davidw5789 ok your right but it can’t be said he’s always underestimating people because his wins are far greater than his losses
@@zino723 idk, Cami was a big loss for Klaus L0L
Everyone is making theories about how people in the past gave Lizzie vampire blood. But vampire blood is out of the system in 24 hours.
Yes, its probably Hope's blood, by either drinking Hope's blood during her alliance with Aurora, or considering her dad keeps a stahs of Hope's blood for werewolf bites, she might got it from there.
@@inferiorinferno8859 or maybe it's her own since her birth mom is a vampire so she was born with vampire blood running through her veins
@@luciennehoppner1516 No because Caroline is not her mother by blood.
Y’all vampire witches are iconic
I called it on one of the previous episodes that one of the twins would die. One would become a hybrid heretic and the other will remain as a witch, that way the merge won’t have to continue on since Lizzie is now undead or in transition. A literal boss move! Although I did doubt Hope, I didn’t actually think she would kill Lizzie.
The merge could/would have to continue if the witch one had children. So, if Josie ever has children, the Geminis could continue.
Wouldn’t that make Lizzie a tribrid too?
@@pipersecretp3 Very true also. But I mean but Josie and Lizzie, there’s some relief
@@nottelling998 For their generation, yes
@@jamesbryson6662 How is Lizzie a wolf?
Oh hell yes. Lizzie has always been my favorite and I’ve been waiting for this moment since season 1!
Nature always has a loophole. The stake and tree that could kill Hope were just destroyed, and as Hope said- nature works quickly. Lizzie has a heretic is probably nature's way to defeat Hope.
And Lizzie helped created the tree that can kill hope 😳😳😳😳😱😱😱
I WANTED THIS SO BAD
To be honest this is the one thing I didn't know I really Wanted and now that it's here I kinda like it is that weird.
@@jadendiaz3615 I know exactly what you mean lol to me that's what happened when Elena became a vampire but I have a feeling it's going to work out REALLY well for Lizzie.
If Alaric dies dies, then after hope turns on her humanity, then it’ll be Lizzies turn to turn off her humanity
Ohh Wow… Lizzie Pulled A Kai Parker, This Season Is Really Getting Good
This is so cool! I always wanted one of the twins to become a Heretic!
Lizzie can hold her own against hope or other beings! She siphons magic and Hope is very magical. In a fight, all she has to do is touch you and siphon you or desiccate a vampire which is hope is part vamp. I was disappointed at how easily Lizzie quickly believed hope about turning her humanity on but I love that she became a heretic. I think Lizzie should walk away from hope and now focus on bringing back her father and grow magically and mentally. I don't like how everyone thinks that hope is this all-powerful being that can't be beaten because her dad was badass but he was many times outsmarted by Damon, Stefan, and the Martels. The stake was destroyed and they may be another but the white oak was destroyed but later on, another showed up in Mystic Falls centuries later.
im almost positive that landon will be the one to turn hope's humanity back on. the fact that he is still being shown in limbo proves he's def coming back. i hope there will be a little more meaning to hope turning her humanity back on other than just seeing landon. i get that love interests are big in the tvd universe but i want her to have an as meaningful revelation as caroline had when she realized she couldn't read her mom's letter
People continue to argue now that Lizzie is a heretic, she is a worthy opponent to Hope but remember. Heretics can only siphon and release medium amounts of magic before it will kill them also keep in mind that Lizzie may potentially be of Hope's sireline and since she's a vampire, she can now be compelled.
Siphoners can siphon anything magaical
the whole Hope and Aurora thing was so confusing this episode still is.
@Rachel Leong right it literally explains everything to why aurora went after Hope lol
Well this series is a spin off series of the show The Originals so yeah theres going to be stuff that refers back to the orignal that some viewers might find confusing.
Am going out of the loop an say this was always Lizzie 's plan is funny how Hope and her hated or disliked each other at some point or another yet they will spend eternity link to each other well-done 👏 Lizzie.
Bad Hope in punishment for killing her now you will have to deal with her not to mention she was actually helping you this time.
She’s like oh shit what did I just do
But one thing I don't get is the comments about how Dark Josie would be more powerful as a heretic then Lizzie. Like why? Every time Josie has beaten Lizzie in magic wether she was dark or not, was only because Josie studied more and had a larger source to siphon from. The latter is literally luck, and who is to say Lizzie wouldn't be just as powerful if not more, if she actually studied? Lizzie's held her own against monsters various times despite not having studied as much as her sister and she seems just as brilliant as Josie if she actually tries. Lizzie could easily be just as powerful as Josie if she actually were to take studying seriously.
Is interesting when Lizzie says “you only kill people that you care about”. I’m. It a Hozzie fan but I bet all the fans are screaming .
I’ve only watched clips of this show but it seems as if this new season is a lot more TO/TVD vibes than the previous seasons. It has the darker aesthetic that TO had.
This is a great plot twist.
But if you remember that Lizzie had two can from the tree.
A Thribid vs a Heretic! Great plot twist!
i was waiting for her to become a hybrid /heretic! shes always had those destructive impulses villains tend to have
Imagine Lizzie turned her humanity off...
I knew it from the beginning of this season that one of them will become a Heretic
Josie is living the school. Better, the actress is living the show.
She turned because as an insurance policy, Lizzie consumed the vampire blood that was donated to the school's first aid kits. Which was Hope's blood ironically enough.
I think we can all agree this season is the best so far!!
When she snapped Lizzie's neck, i thought "Imagine if she transition into a Heretic like everyone hoped." When she opened her eyes, my jaw hit the floor.
Lizzie being a Heretic is gonna be a threat to Hope like Dark Josie, TVD's Heretics have shown unbelievable skills utilizing both their Vamp and Siphoner sides. If Lizzie gets enough training from Caroline or possibly Aurora (if Aurora manages to manipulate her or Liz joins her), she'd be a fucking powerhouse.
Yessssss
How cool would it be if Lizzie remembers Seline now that she's a heretic. I loved Seline, I hated Sybil
I loved Sybil. Wish they brought back a siren. They were my favorite supernaturals
They should've shown Lizzie in Limbo like Hope. Lizzie arguing with the Ferryman would've been amazing.
Lol Lizzie is starting to grow on me
And hope is supposed to be “more feared and more ruthless” than klaus…. Hell I think henrik is more ruthless than hope jfc
Yup
she was so confident about that 😭
lmao i was like shes just filling her head with ideas she doesnt want! lmao dam! its like shes daring her to do it!
Bring back Valerie Tulle to menthor Lizzie as a heretic!
Hope and Lizzie are right now most powerful and reckless. Both are very similar than they look like
I could have sworn Lizzie said "all I am... is *hungry*."
But maybe that's just because I'm hungry right now.
Bright side of Lizzie being a Heretic now is her and Josie don’t have to merge now.
Heehe Hope looks a tad nervous
I don’t really know how they are gonna bring back Hope now and I have no idea how she’ll react after she turns her humanity back on. She killed Alaric and she just killed Lizzie. I don’t know how Hope will deal with all that guilt.
Also anyone else find Lizzie coming back as kind of anticlimactic and not surprising. As it’s the TVD universe everyone dies and comes back at some point😂
Its gonna be Landon its obvious she gonna kill him again then it flips on then his powers come back
@@capplot215 I really hope it’s isn’t Landon it would just be so obvious and just boring and anticlimactic
@@lucyholden5172 I like London they just gotta just make this show more serious
@@lucyholden5172 I don't like Landon at all and wish he stayed dead but since everyone is on the "Handon is endgame" boat it's clear as day that he will be the one to turn her humanity back on and I already hate it...
And here we solved the merge problem
Hope really said "bet"
So that breaks the Gemini curse right?
Yes
yes but kaylee is leaving anyways
Yes
@@immerinn Who told you that
@@ansutoure5583 it was posted online less than an hour ago
i can’t believe these comments. y’all are hating on hope for killing lizzie but isn’t this what you all were asking for? so many people wanted to see heretic lizzie AND HERE SHE IS. you should be thanking hope for doing what she did, it accomplished what everyone wanted. ALSO, you’re hating on hope for killing her why? her humanity is OFF what did y’all expect? oh but when someone else in the tvd universe killed someone important it wasn’t a problem but when hope does it’s suddenly bad? you all are so biased.
Thank God! Some one with brain and logic.
Critics and hate are not the same and you did the same with lizzie
@@jl0562 lkr , they were the people hating on Lizzie , now u are being biased , Hope can fall in a ditch all l care
SPEAK IT!!!!! personally i match up with lizzie but i do have a no humanity hope side when pissed BOTH are my favourite character and did Jenny Boyd(Lizzie) also say she hoped lizzie would become a heretic so this is a DREAM come true for jenie and i am HERE FOR IT! plus hopes a trbrid so obviouslt the first hopes a tribrid now season is gonna be full of twists and because they are trying to navigate what the tribrid would be like without humanity i don't know when her humanity will come back but my god it will literally be SPECTACULAR YET HEARTWRENCHING!
if y'all hate this comment fine idc but dont reply with stupid stuff i ain't got time for that
Not true. In the TVD universe, Hope is the first one to really kill people she considered family. No one ever killed their family without their humanity before (wether biological or found).
I honestly did not expect that
When I kill someone they're supposed to stay dead. (Damon Salvatore, TVD)
I thought this whole part is so badly written and it doesn't make sense at all for Hope to actually kill Lizzie, given that Lizzie is one of her closest friend (you can even consider them as family). Back then in TVD Elena only got her humanity back after Matt was killed, and from what I recall, no other characters have killed their friends/family even when their humanity was off. Plus, Hope was someone who had experienced loss and grief so deeply (bc of her parents). To let her kill her best friend/family and NOT feel anything about it just don't make any sense man...... It's nice that Lizzie being a heretic opens up a myriad of possibilities for the storyline, but I just don't think it should've been Hope. And they just killed off the whole Gemini twins merger storyline so easily? Oh god... so much wasted potential :-(
Elena did try and was about to kill bonnie while her humanity was off... I mean, Hope just doesn't care... And Lizzie practically challenged Hope to kill her xD
@@pedrofonseca3116 True, but she didn't succeed, so we'd never know if she would have turned on her humanity after she killed bonnie. Now that u mentioned, weird that killing Matt was the trigger haha, I would have thought Elena and Bonnie were closer than Elena and Matt :o
Elena tried to kill Caroline and Bonnie. She didn’t succeed but she tried lol.
U guy forgot they grew up been best friends when they were kids as they got older the twins grew jealous of hope cause of there father paid more attention to hope grew annoyed of them mostly toward the blond one cause they were jealous of her so even if hope care about them when u get annoyed u want that person to shut up separate yourself from that person so not that hard to see she could kill her but my theory is there is one person make hope feel some type of way that’s Rafael could talk her out of somebody or kill him in front of her hope and Rafael have a connection hope made have try to deny it in the series but she always felt some type of way about him even when she try to hid it like she went to go see him before she turn was a eye opener for me Rafael is her best friends cause at the time she need a friend she only went to two people Landon and Rafael or the twins father she didn’t go to the twins and talk about her personal problems she went to them go back rewatch look at Elena when her Steffens had issue she would tell her they had problems but with Matt she would go in to detail with almost everytime there was a problem in her relationship even with Damon Rafael is the key or the one she was in first in love with her first boyfriend just a theory what y’all think
Lizzie isn’t exactly a heretic. “Technically” is she a heretic, sharing the resemblance of being former Gemini coven siphoners now being hybrids.
Heretic is the name of the heretic’s coven. The original 6 heretic members were actually called heretics before they ever turned into vampires.
They were denounced AKA meaning to publicly state that someone or something is bad or wrong : to criticize (someone or something) harshly and publicly. As SIPHONERS before they were exiled.
Meaning they were called heretics before they were hybrids, heretic was never meant to be linked to the name of the species. As a collective consciousness the fandom started calling all hybrids heretics, but there are not. All heretics are hybrids but not all hybrids are heretics.
The Heretics were the first witch-vampire coven in the world. But before they were vampires, they were still known as the heretics. Because that is the name of their coven.
But anyways yes it’s just said in legacies they forgot literally 💀the necromancer calling Kai a heretic but even he himself called himself a profound liar so😭😭 but the new promo even has me in shambles.. lizzie would at least have to know Valerie at least to want to be considered a heretic. That’s like trying to call yourself a crescent wolf without actually knowing a crescent
People don’t seem to understand that The Heretics is the title of the group or coven. I think the correct term would be hybrids since they are Vampire/Witch or Vampire/Siphoner specifically
@@tonyAkAage indeed, they are hybrids. Kai and Lizzie are hybrids, not heretics. Unless they joined the heretic's coven that is, which hasn't happened and i don't think it could considering kai is dead and valerie hasnt been seen in ages.
Why is it whenever they turn the characters dark. They turn so much sexier
Facts lol
lizzie is really smart now the hope can control her since she is an original vampire and plus she provokes the team that he won't kill her nobody killed her very important
Super hot take. Hopes a bit** and I’m over it
Thank you.
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Lizzie might be the weapon needed to stop hope like I said a couple episodes ago the only way to fight something that cannot be killed is with a weapon that is unkillable
Lizze is what iv been waiting for!
I want a "Dark Heretic Lizzie".
When Lizzie with Aurora drank the wine Lizzie must had blood in her system! So considering Aurora was in Hope's body Lizzie drank Hope's blood! So Lizzie is in Hope's sireline
Where did you come up with that theory? That would have meant Aurora slipped it in the drink, which isnt true since Lizzie said she already had an insurance policy.
@@ambience2876 I think the theory is wrong but Lizzie is probably in fact in Hope's Sireline. The Salvatore school has Hope's blood to heal people and stuff so she could've drunk from it as an "insurance policy"
I hope Candice king comes back since the merge is "fixed"
I knew from the beginning of the show that the only way to overcome the gemini curse was for one of the sisters to become a heretic. When hope killed Lizzie, i suspected that she had taken that precaution
I didnt see this this yet but mkay
It was probably Caroline’s blood that was in her system being carried in her womb much like how Hayley became a hybrid
vamp blood doesn’t stay in the system for all those years
remember when Sebastian made her drink his blood then he told her but she never got turned
No
Blood wouldn't have stayed in her system that long. It's probably a vile of Hope's blood (The school has a few vile of her blood in case of emergencies), MG's or any other vampire she knows.
@@kelenadavis2490 Or Aurora-Hope's?
This is all I ever wanted. Evil Hope and Heretic Lizzie. Dead Landon. No more Malivore. I will actually start watching this season now!!!!
yes dead landon! i really don’t like him-
@@klaroline..frary1 Same but I think we should all be prepared for him to come back and be the one to turn Hope's humanity on with the PoWeR oF LoVe... Sadly he can't stay dead even if he is completely useless
@@Melissa-sx9vh hope just needs to move on. It’s not healthy
Can't Hope just compel Lizzie to turn her humanity off too? 🤔 We gonna have a bunch of sociopaths running around.
It’s the fact that she told nobody Sebastian basically forced her to drink his vampire blood before he died( giving her your vampire blood in the wine and not asking her first is basically forcing)
Now that I realized, she’s the first hybrid of this series
she's not a hybrid she's a heretic
@@Piggeroo She is a hybrid. They just call this type of hybrid a heretic.
Kaleb is a dragon-vampire hybrid.
@@Piggeroo technically she is a hybrid
@@nathaneugene585 they are called heretics tho kaleb is a hybrid tho