This guy strikes me as the biggest creep. He can “confess” and try to be a “hero” to some family member, but he’s a garbage human being for making her family suffer, if indeed this guy is involved. This case is so maddening and JonBenet deserves justices as well as her loved ones.
Sadly, Jon Benet would be 33 years old and they are no closer to solving this case. Some blame the parents, some blame the brother, and it goes on and on. Let’s start by blaming the Boulder Police Department that did a horrible job on this case and turned it into a three ring circus. May this precious child rest in peace. ❤️🙏🏻✝️
Sad to think she would've been a year younger then me and I have a son turning 12 this month which makes me only think what of she wanted kids or didn't her lofe was cruelly taken from her by a sick twisted bastard😭🤬😤
I blame whoever broke in that house and murdered her. I also blame officials for a well documented shoddy job, and making the families life even more miserable than it was after their child's loss.
Too Late! That Karr guy is a piece of work!! He does not have a job now, so he's looking to supplement his income by wanting to talk about this case again~
How can it be him? Hes a nut, but smart enough to get a free flight back home. He claims he was with her when she died. LOL. Killers dont do that. His own ex wife who hates him claims he was with her. This is just some guy who knows he's as creepy as hell and is trying to make the best of it. Free publicity.
There is another dimension to this problem. The Stines. The Stines were the last family visited by the Ramsey's on Christmas night. Patsy changed the story from her visiting, and the family waiting in the car, to: Patsy and Burke visiting for 15 minutes, and J.R. and JonBenet in the car waiting. The Stines are the closest neighbors ( 2 minutes away ), yet they were not called the next day. Also, the Stines were not listed as close friends, until much further in the investigation. IF JonBenet had been hurt in the car, then unconscious. Taken home. Fed pineapple to recover... Remember, there is a pillow on the kitchen table. Even Burke will not mention the pineapple in the bowl, when questioned about what is obviously on the kitchen table, but changes the topic. The story of JonBenet falling asleep in the car, would cover J.R. carrying JonBenet in the home that night if anyone saw this. Then JonBenet is taken downstairs. Her fate sealed. JonBenet screams when she regains consciousness and realizes her injury, and put to sleep. I know that this is a stretch, but the Stines might play a role somewhere. The Stines made a 911 call from the Ramseys a few days earlier, and answered the intercom when the police arrived, stating everything was OK. Mrs. Stine later after the murder, sends fraudulent emails, impersonating the Boulder Police, to other people involved in the case. Mrs. Stine was caught, and reprimanded. Mrs. Stine stated it was an obvious joke. The Stines then follow the Ramsey family to Georgia, and Mr. Stine is employed by J.R. . Also, Mrs. Stine says that the family was "intact" when they left. sadly, "intact" might refer to JonBenet's skull, still being intact after the event. JonBenet would have survived the head blow, if she had received care. The head blow, amazingly, did not draw blood. Hard to believe. Still working the timeline on the travel. There seems to be 1 1/2 hours missing.
No they had two friend couples that were good friends come over to help them when they still thought it was a kidnapping before they found the body in the basement and the Police let them have friends come by so the Police screwed up in this situation big time. @@flimcomedy7667
@@flimcomedy7667 It was before 6 a.m., pitch dark, no-one around & they were terrified. Who would know how long the cops would take to get there. After that desperate but very frustrating 911 call, Patsy called the Whites & the Fernies - for Help, who lived close by. Officer Rick French was the first person to get there. Then a couple of the friends & officer Veitch. The cops called 2 victim's advocates who also arrived early that morning. John Fernie called their pastor for prayers & comfort, it was going to be a Long wait, the note said the call would be between 8 & 10 Tomorrow. All sat in the den & the sunroom. So, Patsy called 4 friends Only. Is that the party the 'family' threw? How did they mess up evidence collection Exactly? BTW - 8 cops & detectives arrived at various times that morning, walking all over the place. There's your Party. Go give the BPD a call & have a go at Their officers for messing up 'evidence collection'. Plzz. That was a huge 4 storey mansion. Where do you believe the evidence Was? I'll wait.
it's fake news, this guy didn't kill Jonbenet and Keefe D didn't kill Tupac, the media is pulling this shit again, I've studied both cases for 26 years, cops killed Tupac, and Jonbenet was likely done in by men connected to her father, possibly the Fleet White character and his guests from Cali.
They could NOT have cleared Patsy by handwriting. She was not cleared. This case is SO notorious for a reason. Because it doesn’t make sense, even for an intruder. It does not make sense for an intruder.
The Boulder PD hired 2 private handwriting analysts & they also took the note to the Secret Service for 2 of Their experts, all 4 said NO Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. A few of the letters had the formation Similar to the formation of Some of Patsy’s letters because that’s how it was SET UP To BE. The letter formations were Not the only aspect that told the Real experts that NO Ramsey was involved in the writing of that Ridiculous note. And, the public have Never SEEN Patsy’s actual writing. From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under both of JB’s pinkie fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months & so of course, the public too. The same Steve Thomas who had Never worked a murder case before but later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does. Two spots of blood were in the underpants but that was Never tested. Steve Thomas got around the office constantly talking about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene when the Ramsey’s attorneys found out about the 2 spots of blood & the DA finally ordered that to be tested. The blood was JBs plus Unknown male DNA being saliva mixed in one spot of the blood. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was now Two lots of Unknown male DNA evidence, from the media & so from the public domain. The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media from the very beginning & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. Two of them went around the exterior at separate times early that morning, one with a flashlight. Both failed to see those windows under the grate where one was clearly broken at the top section, being a gaping hole. That broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point. The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, the reading of his Pathetic letter blaming the DA for his Own failings, was his Marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of Lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, either. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his ‘Story’. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another. Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolf vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carnes got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carne declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He made up a time of death to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carne was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. There was No basis for that case to go forward to trial so Wolf lost. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with samples of the letters from the note down columns & letters Next to those, exactly the same, As If Patsy wrote those letters, it’s all Fake. Every man & his dog has been out to make Money off the back of this high profile crime. The Ramseys & Lots of suspects, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA. The DNA from the 1st unknown male that was under her pinkie fingernail plus his Saliva in one spot of her blood in the big underpants, was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - Same unknown male’s DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & outside there, being pulled up/down. The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly & Officially in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from that unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr in 2006, who said he did it. Take note of that Year. Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the never ending same old same old False information continues with many making up New false information for the titillation factor. Years down the track James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. Like Steve Thomas, Kolar had Never worked a murder case either. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass. NOBODY would try to disguise their handwriting - by Handwriting 3 pages of 365 words & numbers as a ransom note plus use their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The COPS. There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That! More than one Incompetent cop had moron syndrome so this case was Never going to be solved.. The 2nd Commander put in charge of the BPD by the name of Mark Beckner, was put in place in December 1997. He eventually found some integrity & publicly stated in 2015, words to the effect - “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”. *All highly ignorant Ramsey bashers need to get this Very Clear - You Do NOT Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or John Douglas or Lou Smit or Ollie Grey OR the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years & to this day Also state that the Ramseys - ARE Innocent.* The Boulder PD issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022. Go find that online & read it Slowly. Last December a cold case team were put together by the Colorado Bureau of Investigation & they’re on the job. They also have the go-ahead to have both intruders DNA reanalysed with the advanced technology & can have untested evidence items from the BPD’s dungeon, to be analysed with same. The FBI are involved with this investigation, finally. One can only hope that this cold case team will have Integrity. And, that none will be after a book deal like certain officers from before, who are Totally responsible for every single Unfounded accusation against all Ramsey family members that goes on & on still to this day for No sound reason At All. The government are Not spending Loads of $$ going after the Proven INNOCENT Ramseys. Now, go play.
That's really gender attacking. I can not believe I just typed that, as a straight white guy. I'm a man, ive worked in daycare and I have no desire to hurt a child.
A sick fkr will never need an excuse But who in the right mind dresses der child CHILD up as an adult in adult make up and dresses so fkn wrong This should be illegal and the parents should get jail for this abuse I hope and pray they find her killer and let her sweet innocent soul rest and dance in heavenly peace ❤ x
Have the authorities never tested the DNA at the scene??? And if they did, didn't they never get DNA samples from ALL the suspects to compare to the existing evidence? If they did, and none of their suspects was a match, genetic genealogy is NOT going to incriminate someone who was already cleared by previous DNA testing.
I can't change my mind, because it would go against my gut feeling; dressing little girls up as adults, sexy adults, is dangerous, because it brings the sickos out. Sure, nothing happens with regular people, bu I also think it's a sickness for parents to do this, especially when the costume a hair and makeup cross the line into sexiness, even sleazy characters, and sometimes even with little boys. I can't believe it's good for the child, and I hope they have their man, and hope he tells what got him to go over the edge...............
Are we.... VICTIM BLAMING HERE??? just stop. We don't blame women for getting raped when they wear short skirts and we sure as hell don't children or their parents for the actions and behaviors of pedos. Just stop it
Isn't it at least as likely that dressing little girls up as adults is a reflection on the character of her parents and that this same character might have played a role in her death?
So explain the kids that aren't dressed like JonBennet and sickos still hurt children??? Deranged idiots don't care what a person wears. Stop victim blaming!!! Same goes for adults women.
The ransom letter also used a lot of "computer terminology" and John was employed by a computer company.....it was not a random person...did they work for the same company?
@@guydud3 Yeah in the blighted eyes of all you victim annihilators, John & Patsy must have come across as dumb & dumber hey & obviously both being Dumbos, they dropped a trail of breadcrumbs that led straight to Themselves & also according to your ever so proud Cult of Ramsey Bashers, apparently being absolute Imbeciles, they must have had No Idea that Colorado had the Death Penalty. FYI - there are a gross number of adults & kids who are murdered in the home when the occupants are there sleeping. Most of those homes are Not a newly renovated 4 level huge mansion from the 1920s with the former coal cellar still in situ underground & so, No Window. There are a gross number of those murderers who have Never been Caught. Only JonBenet’s family are treated so Despicably, by a monstrous number of people in the public domain - being mostly U.S. citizens, Of Course. None of you have Read ANY Case Evidence, you’ve just watched TV & picked out the bits that Suit your personality type & then bang on with a load of garbage about a crime that you know Nothing about & do your best to constantly denigrate these very kind people who you Never KNEW. Nobody can state One case with the same circumstances of a murdered child, including where the Parents are such as These parents & wealthy to boot as well. I’ll wait for you to Name that household. Whilst you’re thinking about that, Include the scenario where the parents & kid brother have been drawn & quartered by all you now Criminal Geniuses & Incessantly for over 26 Years, without even any Respect for the murdered Child. THIS family were Proven Innocent a long, Long time ago - these Victims who had to suffer in silence & even More So due to certain members of the Boulder PD who got great Enjoyment from deliberately leaking false & misleading information to the media, for no other reason than to save their own Incompetent asses. You should all be Ashamed of yourselves, the rest of the world Sure IS. Only absolute Morons would believe that someone would Handwrite a particularly violent ransom note yet first stop to think up 5 quotes from 5 violent movies about kidnapping scenarios & go on to do all that using their Own notepad paper plus their Own marker & Then leave both of those items near their phone For The COPS!. Steve Thomas started all this Abysmal fiasco against this whole family by blaming JB’s mother. He was in Fact nothing but a Useless adversary with Plans to cash in from the very Beginning. He tried Very hard to pave his way in gold, he Failed at that also. Many followed his lead by playing the Paid Piper game & so, the same shit from soo many ugly mouth victim bashers is Still hitting the fan on fooltube.
Certainly his criminal record fits the bill. But then there are hard evidences he wasn't even in the state at that time. Didn't his ex-wife testify that the family were in Hamilton, Alabama (John Mark Karr hometown) at the very day of the murder? Even so maybe he sneaked away that night to Boulder a 1000 miles away?
She's a reporter they are the most insensitive people around. They only care about their career & their looks. Narcissist people don't have true feelings they can only fake them.
I know. That part of the story just changes everything. It’s so insane how the mother did that. It was so sketchy. But I don’t get why she wouldn’t of hid the body better if she was involved.
The Boulder PD hired 2 private handwriting analysts & they also took the note to the Secret Service for 2 of Their experts, all 4 said NO Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. A few of the letters had the formation Similar to the formation of Some of Patsy’s letters because that’s how it was SET UP To BE. The letter formations were Not the only aspect that told the Real experts that NO Ramsey was involved in the writing of that Ridiculous note. And, the public have Never SEEN Patsy’s actual writing. From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under both of JB’s pinkie fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months & so of course, the public too. The same Steve Thomas who had Never worked a murder case before but later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does. Two spots of blood were in the underpants but that was Never tested. Steve Thomas got around the office constantly talking about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene when the Ramsey’s attorneys found out about the 2 spots of blood & the DA finally ordered that to be tested. The blood was JBs plus Unknown male DNA being saliva mixed in one spot of the blood. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was now Two lots of Unknown male DNA evidence, from the media & so from the public domain. The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media from the very beginning & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. Two of them went around the exterior at separate times early that morning, one with a flashlight. Both failed to see those windows under the grate where one was clearly broken at the top section, being a gaping hole. That broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point. *Only America & one other country still has a stupid grand jury system. It is unfair, unjust & doesn't work. The jurors only hear from the prosecution, who get to pick & choose what evidence is presented & which witnesses appear. There is no judge, no defence lawyers & unless subpoenaed by the prosecution - No experts to rebut Whatever is presented. As a consequence, the jury vote on the side of the prosecution 98.6% of the time. And the BPD withheld a great deal of vital evidence. FYI - the vote was Not for murder. Unlike the jury, the general public & the media, the DA actually Saw all the evidence known about at that time as did Lou Smit, one of the best investigators in the country. Less than half the States, still have this abysmal grand jury system. The DNA alone Proved just how Wrong the jury Were. The jurors were Conned into believing Patsy wrote that Ridiculous note, that’s All.* The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, the reading of his Pathetic letter blaming the DA for his Own failings, was his Marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of Lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, either. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his ‘Story’. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another. What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on national TV & for Years? NONE. The Ramseys continued that til Patsy died in 2006 & John continued the same & does to this day. Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolf vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carnes got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carnes declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He made up a time of death to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carnes was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. There was No basis for that case to go forward to trial so Wolfe lost. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with samples of the letters from the note down columns & letters Next to those, exactly the same, As If Patsy wrote those letters, it’s all Fake. Every man & his dog has been out to make Money off the back of this high profile crime. The Ramseys & Loads of others, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA a Long time ago. The DNA from one of the unknown males was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - same unknown male DNA as from the underpants at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & the outside there. The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly & Officially in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from the unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr in 2006, who said he did it. Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the never ending same old same old False information continues with many making up New false information for the titillation factor. Years down the track James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. Like Steve Thomas, Kolar had Never worked a murder case either. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass. *NOBODY would Write 3 pages of 365 words & numbers as a ransom note plus use their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The COPS. There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That!* The next Commander in charge by the name of Mark Beckner, was put in place in December 1997. He eventually found some integrity & publicly stated in 2015, words to the effect - “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”. *All highly ignorant Ramsey bashers need to get this Very Clear - You Do NOT Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or John Douglas or Lou Smit OR the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years & to this day Also state that the Ramseys - Are Innocent. **The Boulder PD issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022. Recently a cold case team were put together & have now started working this case. The government are Not spending Loads of $$ going after the Proven INNOCENT Ramseys.
@@kimberlybeeson3613 To save him from the Trauma going on downstairs, Burke was taken to the Whites at 7.15 a.m., where their kids were present & some adult relatives. Burke was actually interviewed that very afternoon there at about 2 p.m., by detective Patterson who was at the Ramsey's house that morning. Neither of his parents were present for that interview that was recorded, nor did they know that was happening. Burke was taken to where the parents were at their friend's house & John told him then that JB was deceased. After that interview with Dr Phil & then the abysmal fall-out after that despicable Bogus CBS show was aired after that also in 2016, Patterson publicly defended Burke & stated on national TV that he’d conducted an interview with 9 year old Burke & he didn't know Anything at all & he’d been very worried that his little sister was still missing. Burke was interviewed again 10 days later by a police child service's officer, that took Hours. No lawyer or parents were with him & his parents had Allowed that interview to take place. The public have seen a few snippets of that interview, from shows on utube, the 'bits' that suit the agenda of the channels. Same in relation to the interview with a detective when Burke was 11. That went on over 2 days, no lawyer nor his parents were with him & again, his parents Allowed that interview to take place. Then, the poor Kid received a Subpoena to appear before the grand jury & off he went to do that Also, neither parent present & NO Lawyer there Either. N.B. - that was a black & white photo at the bottom of the page, Nobody could tell what the hell that was. Burke tried very hard to work out what he was supposed to see, eventually he said about a glass. That idiot detective kept saying pineapple, pineapple, pineapple. LOL. Burke thought that what was in the bowl may have been cereal because it looked like muck, in that photo. All items on that table were Staged by the perps, as were Lots of items all over the house. There were 18 Chunks of pineapple in that bowl. There were more than one 18s within this crime. Meyer's lucky number was 18. That bowl had the leftover icing from the kids & friends Xmas party on the 23rd, the bowl was with other bowls & containers on the table that had the lollies for the decorating of the gingerbread houses. In photos from that party, the bowl can be seen. Patsy bought a large bag of icing. That big heavy bowl was kept in a top cupboard in the kitchen. From whatever tabloid, book or utube show, people now say that pineapple & milk was Burke & JB's favourite. LOL. It was Not. Forensic science Proved that JB did Not eat Any of that pineapple. BTW - pineapple is Acidic, it would Curdle friggin Milk. They had all been up since 6 - 6.30 a.m. that Xmas Day morning & the kids played all day & with friends that afternoon & then again for half the night at the White's Xmas dinner party til about 9 p.m. JB fell into an Exhausted sleep when they got in the car to go home, making 2 stops on the way to drop off presents. JB was only 6 years old, she Did NOT Wake Up After That. Burke did Not say on the Dr Phil interview that he ‘woke up & went downstairs’ to play with a toy. He walked in the door & went straight to his multi-storey car garage that he was given for Xmas. His father went downstairs, helped him put that together for 15-20 minutes then took him up to his room & helped him get ready for bed. The kids Never went downstairs on their own at night. Burke had just turned 7 when he Accidentally hit JB with a toy golf club from a Backswing, it clocked her on the top of the cheekbone, he cried about it for a week. Nothing Else. The ever changing faeces Stories are Not true. He was Asked what he thought happened to his little sister in that interview 10 days later. He was friends with the White’s kids & the Stine’s kids who obviously were Not told the Details about all that happened to their little friend. As Kids, just like adults, they Speculate & they Overhear adults talking. The announcement through the media at the time was the True cause of death, Asphyxiation. The family were later told there was damage to the child’s skull. Both gross & Separate fractures were just After her death. As per, the hierarchy within the police do Not release all information, even to their own cops. The Fact is that the 1st fracture was Open front to back & nearly the length of the skull, the 2nd was a hole, the skull piece being split in 2 & inside. This total BS about a ‘bonk on the head’ grew legs because of Steve Thomas & his loon book of BS, that’s Why he was sued & then James Kolar did one better & said Burke did the head bonk. Thomas the twit was about to be fired for his despicable scenario & Kolar the clown Was fired for his rot with the added on BS coming from Jim Clemente in 2016 & so that farcical CBS show. One needs to Think about WHY that police Evidence of the 911 recording was put on a TV programme After the Ramsey’s book was released & they had appeared on the Larry King show in March 2000 where they spoke publicly about some of the cops’ failings. One needs to find out about Steve Thomas first though, the former narcotics officer, including that he constantly talked about the book he was going to write when supposedly working this case of a Child’s brutal murder. He said that Patsy hadn't hung up the phone properly & he said Burke could be heard saying something in the background. He accused the Ramseys of lying in saying Burke was asleep when that call was made. They were Incensed about that Next accusation & wanted to Hear what the cops were talking about. And, Thomas said Burke Only. The cops refused to let the Ramseys hear that recording. John & Patsy were So upset, they went on national TV & told the World what they had just been accused of & challenged the cops to cough-up with the tape. All went quiet. Please note, all this was After the grand jury hearing that took 13 months & where Burke was again questioned for a long time by the Special Prosecutor this time, Michael Kane. Next thing, a TV Show has the recording, Words are put on screen & suddenly it's supposedly All 3 Ramseys in the background. How amusing but typical form from that scumbag Steve Thomas who’s nothing but a Proven Liar, who’s only accolade before this murder case was busting a bike theft ring. He released his childish book, was promptly sued for all the Lies & lost every cent that he made from the public’s purse strings. He had then moved overseas with his tail firmly planted between his legs. When calling 911 Patsy was using the Wall phone in the alcove that was near that door by the grate that she called the kitchen door. John was reading the note over & over by her Then. In the Authentic recording of that call, Patsy hanging up the handset on the metal cradle that was at the side of that phone is Clearly heard, CLICK. IF the cops Actually had Any Ramseys in the background because Patsy didn’t hang up, the recording would have been played til the end & all would have heard CLICK. Under that phone on the wall, was a cupboard. If Patsy had put the handset down, all would have heard CLUNK. Here’s the thing, why would they lie about Burke being downstairs? He was Allowed downstairs! Yawn. And then there’s the Fact that the closeted 9 year old Kid, would have coughed up in a nanosecond that he was there when his mother made that 911 call. Why do tabloids print sensational headlines whether true or false? $$$. Why do 'authors' put a book together based on the same information from the magazines & TV shows? $$$. In the U.S., for the past 2 years, newscasts & talk shows have been getting out the info about the DNA again but they don't go into enough detail, too scared to be mobbed I presume. I see on utube, an explosion of podcasters pumping out shows since that time frame. They pump out the Same false & misleading information over & over again like well trained monkeys & many make up more garbage to keep all the Ramsey bashers entertained & Excited to be fired up. DNA is Science & science doesn’t lie. What I notice, is that only the Ramsey bashers Ignore that Scientific evidence. Of course, like soo much of the other Truth around this case, people have cherry picked what they choose to believe but at the same time, the Facts about the DNA are not detailed enough, thorough - being from the 1st week, unknown male DNA mixed with JB's DNA, under both of her pinkie fingernails. That was just the First results & it’s Known - Two unknown male DNA, several places on JB’s person. The DNA from one has been in CODIS since 2003. People don't realise that the cops do Not release the Case Evidence to the media & so, the public have No Idea what the Actual evidence of perpetrators in the house Is, nor do the public know all that Really happened to JB. People need to understand that this crime for money & revenge was very, Very well Planned. Everything was set up to incriminate all Ramseys if they called the cops. Just to clarify, there were Two severe skull fractures that occurred just after JB was strangled to death. Both were Precise & also pre-planned if the cops were called & so, all 3 weapons were at hand. That flashlight was Never a weapon used & did Not belong to the Ramseys. All the Stories about Burke, pineapple & the flashlight grew legs After that Bogus CBS show went to air in 2016. Lots of people Chose to believe that utter Nonsense because they’re not very Bright. FYI - Burke was Never even a suspect & that’s Why, within the Multitude of TV shows before 2016, he was never mentioned because the journos & presenters had No reason/cause to talk about him.
Hopefully genetic genealogy matches the male DNA on her body to someone now that the old cops are gone that refused to allow the family to pay for the testing.
This is on repeat.. It's not ok bc a killer is loose & has been since 1996. In what world is that ok. I don't know what the hell they are doing with this case. A little girl was brutally murdered & she needs justice. If she were mine I'd push & I'd push until they find that guy. I just don't get it. There is a killer literally on the loose & could have killed since then also. I just don't get it Unless they know something we don't.& what could it possibly be though. That they know & are watching the guy for 27 years???? What is it?
I’m sticking with my first suspect/suspicion, which is the step brother. Ramseys connection to authorities in Colorado probably covered it up . Also how is it that this story has gotten so much publicity for years - books movies and interviews , while their has been thousands of missing children not being covered ? 💰
The Boulder PD hired 2 private handwriting analysts & they also took the note to the Secret Service for 2 of Their experts, all 4 said NO Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. A few of the letters had the formation Similar to the formation of Some of Patsy’s letters because that’s how it was SET UP To BE. The letter formations were Not the only aspect that told the Real experts that NO Ramsey was involved in the writing of that Ridiculous note. And, the public have Never SEEN Patsy’s actual writing. From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under both of JB’s pinkie fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months & so of course, the public too. The same Steve Thomas who had Never worked a murder case before but later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does. Two spots of blood were in the underpants but that was Never tested. Steve Thomas got around the office constantly talking about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene when the Ramsey’s attorneys found out about the 2 spots of blood & the DA finally ordered that to be tested. The blood was JBs plus Unknown male DNA being saliva mixed in one spot of the blood. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was now Two lots of Unknown male DNA evidence, from the media & so from the public domain. The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media from the very beginning & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. Two of them went around the exterior at separate times early that morning, one with a flashlight. Both failed to see those windows under the grate where one was clearly broken at the top section, being a gaping hole. That broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point. *Only America & one other country still has a stupid grand jury system. It is unfair, unjust & doesn't work. The jurors only hear from the prosecution, who get to pick & choose what evidence is presented & which witnesses appear. There is no judge, no defence lawyers & unless subpoenaed by the prosecution - No experts to rebut Whatever is presented. As a consequence, the jury vote on the side of the prosecution 98.6% of the time. And the BPD withheld a great deal of vital evidence. FYI - the vote was Not for murder. Unlike the jury, the general public & the media, the DA actually Saw all the evidence known about at that time as did Lou Smit, one of the best investigators in the country. Less than half the States, still have this abysmal grand jury system. The DNA alone Proved just how Wrong the jury Were. The jurors were Conned into believing Patsy wrote that Ridiculous note, that’s All.* The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, the reading of his Pathetic letter blaming the DA for his Own failings, was his Marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of Lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, either. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his ‘Story’. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another. What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on national TV & for Years? NONE. The Ramseys continued that til Patsy died in 2006 & John continued the same & does to this day. Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolf vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carnes got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carnes declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He made up a time of death to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carnes was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. There was No basis for that case to go forward to trial so Wolfe lost. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with samples of the letters from the note down columns & letters Next to those, exactly the same, As If Patsy wrote those letters, it’s all Fake. Every man & his dog has been out to make Money off the back of this high profile crime. The Ramseys & Loads of others, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA a Long time ago. The DNA from one of the unknown males was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - same unknown male DNA as from the underpants at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & the outside there. The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly & Officially in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from the unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr in 2006, who said he did it. Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the never ending same old same old False information continues with many making up New false information for the titillation factor. Years down the track James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. Like Steve Thomas, Kolar had Never worked a murder case either. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass. *NOBODY would Write 3 pages of 365 words & numbers as a ransom note plus use their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The COPS. There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That!* The next Commander in charge by the name of Mark Beckner, was put in place in December 1997. He eventually found some integrity & publicly stated in 2015, words to the effect - “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”. *All highly ignorant Ramsey bashers need to get this Very Clear - You Do NOT Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or John Douglas or Lou Smit OR the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years & to this day Also state that the Ramseys - Are Innocent. **The Boulder PD issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022. Recently a cold case team were put together & have now started working this case. The government are Not spending Loads of $$ going after the Proven INNOCENT Ramseys.
"There are reports from 26 years ago that say it was not the family ..." Why does nobody point out that it was the father who RULED what was to be done and how, while destroying evidence in the house running to and fro, moving the body, having people walking like a herd of buffaloes, then wanting to quit the scene and fly somewhere immediately, and, and, and ... ? Kids that still do it in their beds and panties, ghe boy smearing faeces on walls, a garrotte being used, ... I shall be following this until we hopefully finally get the answer, but until then, to me this is an inside job.
Gary Oliva has confessed to the killing.… Colorado police were tipped off as early as the day after the murder by a friend who he had confessed to over the phone.… he later went to jail for child pornography and has wrote letters about his feelings for the little girl. His parents had hired a private detective to investigate him, by whom he was seen attending the vigil a year later. This was a terrible Police blunder, handled very badly. Who knows how many more kids this monster went onto harm.
The killer is either the brother or the dad. This creep is just one of the many males that were abusing her. But the killer is her next of Keen, and THAT is what this guy knows. They are all a part of a predator society, a local group. The parents were passing her around. The brother started messing with her out of mimicking the behavior of the adults. The only thing I can’t figure out is whether it was the brother or the father that killed her, but I have an inkling towards the kid. The adults knew how to abuse her without causing lethal damage, but the kid didn’t. This story is so much more gruesome and vile than what most people want to see. The US needs to make child pageantry illegal. It’s abhorrent to me how any society can officially accept the sexualization, commodification and exploitation of children and call itself civilized. Anyone who dresses a child like a sexed up adult woman is OBVIOUSLY not only suspicious but dangerous! Again, OBVIOUSLY! Who does it benefit to keep this industry going? The predators, only!
I don’t see Anyone railing against all those who Make Up from their sick Heads, all the despicable garbage, which is them Accusing JonBenet Herself, of all the Vile incest & paedophile acts that they conjure up with Glee & post proudly. Of the Hundreds of such comments & Stories that I’ve read from these abhorrent so-called human beings, Nobody says a friggin Thing to them. What a National Disgrace. Hang on that’s right, Lots of Other so-called human beings Do say certain things to them, they Agree with them. And because they’re of the Same Ilk, they’re Bolstered to post Their sick thought processes about the same Vile acts, incest & paedophilia, all about this Child, including 9 year old Burke sometimes & no-one rebukes them in Any way. There was never one Skerrick of evidence that JB was previously sexually molested Nor one Skerrick of evidence that JB was previously sexually abused. Not one Skerrick about Burke either. Yet the Ramseys & their Kids are very cruelly subjected to a round-robin of particularly grotesque accusations that include - child sacrifice, satanic worship scenarios, pedos at the garden parties, selling their child, their friends being Allowed to abuse their child, society members being Allowed to abuse their child including Of Course, Epstein & so on & so on - on it goes, Incessantly. According to the same so-called human beings, because the Ramseys were wealthy at the time, all of the above is what they did with their spare time. Nobody Ever mentions that the Ramseys had deep faith in God & were avid church goers. One can pop over to the many videos about the Chris Watt’s murder case. Let me know when you find Anyone who has posted Any comment about Him sexually abusing his little girls Or any other comment about a gang of his friends who did the same & worse. Of all the Hundreds of videos about same subject & victimology, Nobody talks about Any of Those kids as soo many do about This, highly intelligent 6 year old murdered little girl. Shame on you
BTW - the authentic autopsy report can be found online, the 1st of 9 pages has the symbol for Boulder County. There was Nothing of the sort in that report. That's just more Made Up fodder for lowbrow Ramsey bashers to get off on & to sell the books of BS. . @@Agnar669
@@ValleyoftheRogue Well, they might have covered up for their son. That's the most charitable interpretation of the evidence that can be constructed on their behalf.
yes - attention seeker. he is a registered sex offender, what does this guy mean when he says he doesn't know where he lives. most countries have sex offender registers!!! it would not take much to track him down!!
@@cherylhaskell9830 The Boulder PD hired 2 private handwriting analysts & they also took the note to the Secret Service for 2 of Their experts, all 4 said NO Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. A few of the letters had the formation Similar to the formation of Some of Patsy’s letters because that’s how it was SET UP To BE. The letter formations were Not the only aspect that told the Real experts that NO Ramsey was involved in the writing of that Ridiculous note. And, the public have Never SEEN Patsy’s actual writing. From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under both of JB’s pinkie fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months & so of course, the public too. The same Steve Thomas who had Never worked a murder case before but later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does. Two spots of blood were in the underpants but that was Never tested. Steve Thomas got around the office constantly talking about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene when the Ramsey’s attorneys found out about the 2 spots of blood & the DA finally ordered that to be tested. The blood was JBs plus Unknown male DNA being saliva mixed in one spot of the blood. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was now Two lots of Unknown male DNA evidence, from the media & so from the public domain. The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media from the very beginning & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. Two of them went around the exterior at separate times early that morning, one with a flashlight. Both failed to see those windows under the grate where one was clearly broken at the top section, being a gaping hole. That broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point. *Only America & one other country still has a stupid grand jury system. It is unfair, unjust & doesn't work. The jurors only hear from the prosecution, who get to pick & choose what evidence is presented & which witnesses appear. There is no judge, no defence lawyers & unless subpoenaed by the prosecution - No experts to rebut Whatever is presented. As a consequence, the jury vote on the side of the prosecution 98.6% of the time. And the BPD withheld a great deal of vital evidence. FYI - the vote was Not for murder. Unlike the jury, the general public & the media, the DA actually Saw all the evidence known about at that time as did Lou Smit, one of the best investigators in the country. Less than half the States, still have this abysmal grand jury system. The DNA alone Proved just how Wrong the jury Were. The jurors were Conned into believing Patsy wrote that Ridiculous note, that’s All.* The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, the reading of his Pathetic letter blaming the DA for his Own failings, was his Marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of Lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, either. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his ‘Story’. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another. What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on national TV & for Years? NONE. The Ramseys continued that til Patsy died in 2006 & John continued the same & does to this day. Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolf vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carnes got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carnes declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He made up a time of death to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carnes was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. There was No basis for that case to go forward to trial so Wolf lost. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with samples of the letters from the note down columns & letters Next to those, exactly the same, As If Patsy wrote those letters, it’s all Fake. Every man & his dog has been out to make Money off the back of this high profile crime. The Ramseys & Loads of others, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA a Long time ago. The DNA from one of the unknown males was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - same unknown male DNA as from the underpants at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & the outside there. The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly & Officially in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from the unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr in 2006, who said he did it. Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the never ending same old same old False information continues with many making up New false information for the titillation factor. Years down the track James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. Like Steve Thomas, Kolar had Never worked a murder case either. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass. *NOBODY would Write 3 pages of 365 words & numbers as a ransom note plus use their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The COPS. There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That!* The next Commander in charge by the name of Mark Beckner, was put in place in December 1997. He eventually found some integrity & publicly stated in 2015, words to the effect - “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”. *All highly ignorant Ramsey bashers need to get this Very Clear - You Do NOT Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or John Douglas or Lou Smit OR the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years & to this day Also state that the Ramseys - ARE Innocent. **The Boulder PD issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022. Recently a cold case team were put together & have now started working this case. The government are Not spending Loads of $$ going after the Proven INNOCENT Ramseys.
@DoobieDeb Me too, I remember the exact day and what I was doing when the news broke. Her poor mother died, not knowing what happened to her baby. I unfortunately had not become a mother when this happened, but now I am... I can't imagine, nor do I want to imagine, what this family has gone through. This whole case was botched from day one, but they have evidence. So, why are they still dragging their feet on this case? That, I'll never understand either.
But why was the ransom note written in the mothers writing. She clearly wrote it. When they showed her her own family photo album with writing that matches hers she said she didn’t know who’s writing it was. Soooo sketchy
@@Junitunes The Boulder PD hired 2 private handwriting analysts & they also took the note to the Secret Service for 2 of Their experts, all 4 said NO Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. A few of the letters had the formation Similar to the formation of Some of Patsy’s letters because that’s how it was SET UP To BE. The letter formations were Not the only aspect that told the Real experts that NO Ramsey was involved in the writing of that Ridiculous note. And, the public have Never SEEN Patsy’s actual writing. From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under both of JB’s pinkie fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months & so of course, the public too. The same Steve Thomas who had Never worked a murder case before but later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does. Two spots of blood were in the underpants but that was Never tested. Steve Thomas got around the office constantly talking about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene when the Ramsey’s attorneys found out about the 2 spots of blood & the DA finally ordered that to be tested. The blood was JBs plus Unknown male DNA being saliva mixed in one spot of the blood. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was now Two lots of Unknown male DNA evidence, from the media & so from the public domain. The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media from the very beginning & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. Two of them went around the exterior at separate times early that morning, one with a flashlight. Both failed to see those windows under the grate where one was clearly broken at the top section, being a gaping hole. That broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point. The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, the reading of his Pathetic letter blaming the DA for his Own failings, was his Marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of Lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, either. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his ‘Story’. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another. What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on national TV & for Years? NONE. The Ramseys continued that til Patsy died in 2006 & John continued the same & does to this day. Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolf vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carnes got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carnes declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He made up a time of death to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carnes was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. There was No basis for that case to go forward to trial so Wolf lost. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with samples of the letters from the note down columns & letters Next to those, exactly the same, As If Patsy wrote those letters, it’s all Fake. Every man & his dog has been out to make Money off the back of this high profile crime. The Ramseys & Loads of others, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA a Long time ago. The DNA from one of the unknown males was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - same unknown male DNA as from the underpants at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & the outside there. The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly & Officially in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from the unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr in 2006, who said he did it. Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the never ending same old same old False information continues with many making up New false information for the titillation factor. Years down the track James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. Like Steve Thomas, Kolar had Never worked a murder case either. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass. *NOBODY would Write 3 pages of 365 words & numbers as a ransom note plus use their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The COPS. There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That!* The next Commander in charge by the name of Mark Beckner, was put in place in December 1997. He eventually found some integrity & publicly stated in 2015, words to the effect - “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”. *All highly ignorant Ramsey bashers need to get this Very Clear - You Do NOT Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or John Douglas or Lou Smit OR the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years & to this day Also state that the Ramseys - Are Innocent. **The Boulder PD issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022. Recently a cold case team were put together & have now started working this case. The government are Not spending Loads of $$ going after the Proven INNOCENT Ramseys.
@@Junitunes Glenn Meyer wrote under 3 photos Only & in One photo album only. He did that to include a few of the letters, as in the note & to add the even spaces between the words, as in the note. BTW - the even spaces that were in between Every word in the note. Patsy would Not write that stupid crap under her photos & there were No names, where or year. This was a very, Very well planned crime for money, that turned into revenge against John. As sociopaths, the perps thought they were not only very clever, but also highly amusing. FYI - they wrote on Many items & drew on things as well - for fun & to have the keystone cops in a twist - not they noticed much at all Anyway.
The house was a multi story house.The person that they allege killed her would have had to have extensive knowledge on his bonus ,the layout of the house ,and write a ransom note that really was not a ransom note and to know how to plot around this snack in the middle of the night that Patsy made for Burke including a teacup of tea .She was starving and had been with held food as pineapple remnants where the only thing found in her stomach.Why does a child who has been to a Christmas party with parents need a midnight snack of pineapple and a cup of tea?No you want your kids to go to bed and stay asleep so you can sleep.Patsy abused John Bennet! She killed her when she found her downstairs trying to eat!
@@wintergarden7539here read this and get it through your head lol .. "No one in the department expects the familial DNA to be a Ramsey, or even a distant Ramsey relative," a source within the Boulder Police Department ....We expect it to be someone completely unrelated."
"What is all this craziness? Why 118k? Why not a million? There was some point to that $118,000 that made sense to the kill "I had gotten a deferred compensation bonus in January of that year for $118,230 or something like that. I didn't actually get the money, but it was on every pay stub for the next 12 months....The killer knew them....watched them...was jealous of them for some reason?
I wonder if they ever looked into a college friend of oldest son that maybe stayed at house previously when the Ramseys were out of town with younger children maybe he didn’t go home for Christmas and stayed in the area
There is something Really wrong with all people like Yourself, who believe Whatever you see on a TV screen or read in a book or watch on a TV show & now all the utube uploaders who get their info from the Same & clearly they too are as dumb dumb as dog doo doo & many of those a##wipes Make Up more BS for their brain dead 'viewers'. Do something decent for society & try to Grow Up. All these entities put out Whatever to make Money from the Ignorant public & the more Salacious the better. The Ramseys were Proven Innocent a long, Long time ago with a mountain of Actual evidence & by a whole bunch of Actual experts under the umbrella of Law Enforcement, who included Experienced seasoned investigators who had to be brought into this case down the track, expert Crime Scene techs & expert DNA & forensic Scientists. None of these people wrote a Book nor grandstanded themselves on TV shows because they had something called Integrity & kept working this case due to the fact that their Sole purpose was to find highly sadistic killers & so, to protect your Kids.
What's really creepy is parents entering their child in something like this in the first place. There's nothing cute about it. No child that young needs to be focused on their looks. Trying to make little girls into adults to me is ridiculous.
i think the family practiced Trauma Based Mind Control, and that Jonbenet was used as a sex slave for high paying creeps, but that instead of being killed, she was made to perform like a mannequin, as one of the skills a sex slave is "taught" is to hold rigidly still like a mannequin, adn that Jonbenet played as if she had rigor mortis to fool the cop that was first in the house, scared that she was trapped iwht a killer and not enough bullets to protect herself. The family was offered money ,or ordered, to take Jonbenet and train her as a very very highly controlled performer, and is now a very famous singer. If i say who, people will believe that I am a nutbag conspiracy theorist, which is what dumb ignorant people say about things that they dont yet understand, out of cognitive dissonance. I had pictures that prove what im saying that Jonbenet is alive and plays multiple roles as a performer, one of which was "killed" off, and the royalties went through the roof. her mother was also a pageant queen, monarch mind control victim, and she was obeying orders when she wrote the kidnap note. I believe Burke was also a sex slave, as there are pictures of the family were BOTH children are clearly wearing lipstick even though they were tiny little kids. I believe that the mother performed secret role as a witch, and there is video of her when she was a bit younger, describing some satanic rituals at which she lead the ceremony. I dont believe that Patsy knew deeply her programmed alter egos, so she might not be culpable in the disposal and fake kidnappping of her daughter or the abuse of the kids before that. I might be wrong, perhaps im crazy, but i had photographs that prove that Jonbenet lived to adulthood and those photographs were lowered to a very low resolution on my computer without my permission or knowledge, and i have noted that almost all the photographs available online from fans of Jonbenets later alter ego, are low resolution so as to obscure the identifiying moles etc on her body, and that her owners are so rich and powerful that they use software to find and alter digital pictures anywere in the world, on almost anyone;s computer.
This guy did NOT kill JB, he does NOT know the killer personally and was “ protecting “ them. This guy is looking for the same thing he was over a decade ago- ATTENTION. Just like Madeleine McCanns killer is NOT some guy from Germany. In both cases we all know who killed these children and it’s the people who should have protected them- their parents!
BTW lovey, there is Nothing to say that Maddie is deceased, so all the Crap said about her poor parents is Moot. AND, don't bother putting All of us in Your ignorant basket, not everyone is dumb dumb as dog doo doo. Yawn.
both do look like preventable crimes. treat your children like a million bucks. don't leave them home alone, don't leave doors and windows unlocked, and for goodness sake don't hide the house key under the rock out front
@@SteviePaints FYI - there are a gross number of adults & kids who are murdered in the home when the occupants are there sleeping. Most of those homes are Not a newly renovated 4 level huge mansion from the 1920s with the former coal cellar still in situ underground & so, No Window. There are a gross number of those murderers who have Never been Caught. Only JonBenet’s family are treated so Despicably, by a monstrous number of people in the public domain - being mostly U.S. citizens, Of Course. None of you have Read ANY Case Evidence, you’ve just watched TV & picked out the bits that Suit your personality type & then bang on with a load of garbage about a crime that you know Nothing about & do your best to constantly denigrate these very kind people who you Never KNEW. Nobody can state One case with the same circumstances of a murdered child, including where the Parents are such as These parents & wealthy to boot as well. I’ll wait for you to Name that household. Whilst you’re thinking about that, Include the scenario where the parents & kid brother have been drawn & quartered by all you now Criminal Geniuses & Incessantly for over 26 Years, without even any Respect for the murdered Child. THIS family were Proven Innocent a long, Long time ago - these Victims who had to suffer in silence & even More So due to certain members of the Boulder PD who got great Enjoyment from deliberately leaking false & misleading information to the media, for no other reason than to save their own Incompetent asses. You should all be Ashamed of yourselves, the rest of the world Sure IS. Only absolute Morons would believe that someone would Handwrite a particularly violent ransom note yet first stop to think up 5 quotes from 5 violent movies about kidnapping scenarios & go on to do all that using their Own notepad paper plus their Own marker & Then leave both of those items near their phone For The COPS!. Steve Thomas started all this Abysmal fiasco against this whole family by blaming JB’s mother. He was in Fact nothing but a Useless adversary with Plans to cash in from the very Beginning. He tried Very hard to pave his way in gold, he Failed at that also. Many followed his lead by playing the Paid Piper game & so, the same shit from soo many ugly mouth victim bashers is Still hitting the fan on fooltube.
If the public knew Everything that these vilest of highly sadistic sociopaths Really did to this little girl & all that they did in that house, when her family were Asleep, You the public would - Freak the hell out. Law Enforcement proved them Innocent a Long time ago & then Finally, the Official & very public announcement in 2008, they were Exonerated. It’s more than Way over time to leave them in Peace.
Wasn't he supposed to be out of the country when the crime occurred? The Ramsey's behavior and actions were never sufficient to rule them out, although explaining the brutality of the crime is very difficult.
I agree with Steve. Im sad for the Ramsey family. Because LE messed up the whole case from minute one. Pasty probably died with a broken heart over it. Never believed her family did the deed. Ill be shocked if it ever closed at this point. But i wish them luck.
Linda Hoffman Pugh and Mervin Pugh. Everything points to them and always has. The police need to focus on them. What are they waiting for. Mervin died a few years ago but he has sons to compare the DNA. I really hope LE pays Linda a visit asap.
I also think it was Linda Hoffman. She could have known about the bonus Jon received and would have known the layout of the house, potentially could have had a key, was familiar to JonBenet, and had an axe to grind.
Very possible Linda in her post since interviews talked trash about Patsy that could be to get the cops off her trail. She easily without a doubt had everything she needed to get away with the perfect murder. This fact is not even debateable it's not proven if she was the ring leader or if her husband or other creeps was in the house an murdered JB when she scream then the ransom money grab didn't happen. I'd bet the cops never spent enough time looking at her.
This guy strikes me as the biggest creep. He can “confess” and try to be a “hero” to some family member, but he’s a garbage human being for making her family suffer, if indeed this guy is involved. This case is so maddening and JonBenet deserves justices as well as her loved ones.
Agreed 💯
Same💔🙏
Sadly, Jon Benet would be 33 years old and they are no closer to solving this case. Some blame the parents, some blame the brother, and it goes on and on. Let’s start by blaming the Boulder Police Department that did a horrible job on this case and turned it into a three ring circus. May this precious child rest in peace. ❤️🙏🏻✝️
Sad to think she would've been a year younger then me and I have a son turning 12 this month which makes me only think what of she wanted kids or didn't her lofe was cruelly taken from her by a sick twisted bastard😭🤬😤
DOES BOULDER HAVE POLICE?
Exactly and it started with the first “detective” so many grabbed on her interview and ran with it not at all realizing she’s at fault hugely.
The PD was paid off by the family attorney
I blame whoever broke in that house and murdered her. I also blame officials for a well documented shoddy job, and making the families life even more miserable than it was after their child's loss.
Lemme save you some time, the title is click bait! We didn’t know anymore then than we do now.
Thank you! Thought so!
Too Late! That Karr guy is a piece of work!! He does not have a job now, so he's looking to supplement his income by wanting to talk about this case again~
Thank you much appreciated I hate when it's the same repeated information
Thank you 1 minute in
The 'whole story ' is clickbait . 💰 💰 💰
If it does end up being this dude the police department needs to be sued to infinity!
Their liability insurer can rest easy.
They showed he was no where near Boulder so the DNA isn’t his. This is more Banfield hype
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@@CapeRN I should have known 💯
How can it be him? Hes a nut, but smart enough to get a free flight back home. He claims he was with her when she died. LOL. Killers dont do that. His own ex wife who hates him claims he was with her. This is just some guy who knows he's as creepy as hell and is trying to make the best of it. Free publicity.
Karr's DNA Was collected, compared, & Cleared back in 2006. It Is Not Him !!! 🙄
I believe that John Mark Karr said he killed Jonbenet just to get his name in the news media
Guy came to the interview with literally, NOTHING
So first he said he did it, then now he's saying he's covering for someone. Give me a break. 🙄
Have a kit kat
Attention-getter.
There is another dimension to this problem.
The Stines.
The Stines were the last family visited by the Ramsey's on Christmas night.
Patsy changed the story from her visiting, and the family waiting in the car, to:
Patsy and Burke visiting for 15 minutes, and J.R. and JonBenet in the car waiting.
The Stines are the closest neighbors ( 2 minutes away ), yet they were not called the next day. Also, the Stines were not listed as close friends, until much further in the investigation.
IF JonBenet had been hurt in the car, then unconscious. Taken home. Fed pineapple to recover... Remember, there is a pillow on the kitchen table. Even Burke will not mention the pineapple in the bowl, when questioned about what is obviously on the kitchen table, but changes the topic.
The story of JonBenet falling asleep in the car, would cover J.R. carrying JonBenet in the home that night if anyone saw this.
Then JonBenet is taken downstairs. Her fate sealed. JonBenet screams when she regains consciousness and realizes her injury, and put to sleep.
I know that this is a stretch, but the Stines might play a role somewhere.
The Stines made a 911 call from the Ramseys a few days earlier, and answered the intercom when the police arrived, stating everything was OK.
Mrs. Stine later after the murder, sends fraudulent emails, impersonating the Boulder Police, to other people involved in the case.
Mrs. Stine was caught, and reprimanded.
Mrs. Stine stated it was an obvious joke.
The Stines then follow the Ramsey family to Georgia, and Mr. Stine is employed by J.R. .
Also, Mrs. Stine says that the family was "intact" when they left.
sadly, "intact" might refer to JonBenet's skull, still being intact after the event.
JonBenet would have survived the head blow, if she had received care.
The head blow, amazingly, did not draw blood.
Hard to believe.
Still working the timeline on the travel. There seems to be 1 1/2 hours missing.
How did he know the bonus of John Ramsey?
My heartache for JonBenet's family, losing her was hard enough and I pray that whoever's responsible can finally be brought to justice
Didn’t her family throw a party which messed up evidence collection ? Plz
No they had two friend couples that were good friends come over to help them when they still thought it was a kidnapping before they found the body in the basement and the Police let them have friends come by so the Police screwed up in this situation big time. @@flimcomedy7667
@@flimcomedy7667 It was before 6 a.m., pitch dark, no-one around & they were terrified. Who would know how long the cops would take to get there. After that desperate but very frustrating 911 call, Patsy called the Whites & the Fernies - for Help, who lived close by. Officer Rick French was the first person to get there. Then a couple of the friends & officer Veitch. The cops called 2 victim's advocates who also arrived early that morning. John Fernie called their pastor for prayers & comfort, it was going to be a Long wait, the note said the call would be between 8 & 10 Tomorrow. All sat in the den & the sunroom. So, Patsy called 4 friends Only. Is that the party the 'family' threw? How did they mess up evidence collection Exactly?
BTW - 8 cops & detectives arrived at various times that morning, walking all over the place. There's your Party. Go give the BPD a call & have a go at Their officers for messing up 'evidence collection'. Plzz.
That was a huge 4 storey mansion. Where do you believe the evidence Was? I'll wait.
Look how long it took to get an arrest for Tupac’s murder, so anything is possible in this case, as well.
I was thinking the same
And the Golden State killer!
it's fake news, this guy didn't kill Jonbenet and Keefe D didn't kill Tupac, the media is pulling this shit again, I've studied both cases for 26 years, cops killed Tupac, and Jonbenet was likely done in by men connected to her father, possibly the Fleet White character and his guests from Cali.
They could NOT have cleared Patsy by handwriting. She was not cleared. This case is SO notorious for a reason. Because it doesn’t make sense, even for an intruder. It does not make sense for an intruder.
The Boulder PD hired 2 private handwriting analysts & they also took the note to the Secret Service for 2 of Their experts, all 4 said NO Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. A few of the letters had the formation Similar to the formation of Some of Patsy’s letters because that’s how it was SET UP To BE. The letter formations were Not the only aspect that told the Real experts that NO Ramsey was involved in the writing of that Ridiculous note. And, the public have Never SEEN Patsy’s actual writing.
From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under both of JB’s pinkie fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months & so of course, the public too. The same Steve Thomas who had Never worked a murder case before but later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does. Two spots of blood were in the underpants but that was Never tested. Steve Thomas got around the office constantly talking about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene when the Ramsey’s attorneys found out about the 2 spots of blood & the DA finally ordered that to be tested. The blood was JBs plus Unknown male DNA being saliva mixed in one spot of the blood. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was now Two lots of Unknown male DNA evidence, from the media & so from the public domain. The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media from the very beginning & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public.
The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. Two of them went around the exterior at separate times early that morning, one with a flashlight. Both failed to see those windows under the grate where one was clearly broken at the top section, being a gaping hole. That broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point.
The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, the reading of his Pathetic letter blaming the DA for his Own failings, was his Marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of Lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, either. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his ‘Story’. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another. Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolf vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carnes got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carne declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He made up a time of death to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carne was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. There was No basis for that case to go forward to trial so Wolf lost. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with samples of the letters from the note down columns & letters Next to those, exactly the same, As If Patsy wrote those letters, it’s all Fake.
Every man & his dog has been out to make Money off the back of this high profile crime.
The Ramseys & Lots of suspects, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA. The DNA from the 1st unknown male that was under her pinkie fingernail plus his Saliva in one spot of her blood in the big underpants, was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - Same unknown male’s DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & outside there, being pulled up/down. The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly & Officially in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from that unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr in 2006, who said he did it. Take note of that Year.
Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the never ending same old same old False information continues with many making up New false information for the titillation factor.
Years down the track James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. Like Steve Thomas, Kolar had Never worked a murder case either. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass.
NOBODY would try to disguise their handwriting - by Handwriting 3 pages of 365 words & numbers as a ransom note plus use their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The COPS. There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That! More than one Incompetent cop had moron syndrome so this case was Never going to be solved..
The 2nd Commander put in charge of the BPD by the name of Mark Beckner, was put in place in December 1997. He eventually found some integrity & publicly stated in 2015, words to the effect - “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”.
*All highly ignorant Ramsey bashers need to get this Very Clear - You Do NOT Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or John Douglas or Lou Smit or Ollie Grey OR the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years & to this day Also state that the Ramseys - ARE Innocent.*
The Boulder PD issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022. Go find that online & read it Slowly.
Last December a cold case team were put together by the Colorado Bureau of Investigation & they’re on the job. They also have the go-ahead to have both intruders DNA reanalysed with the advanced technology & can have untested evidence items from the BPD’s dungeon, to be analysed with same. The FBI are involved with this investigation, finally.
One can only hope that this cold case team will have Integrity. And, that none will be after a book deal like certain officers from before, who are Totally responsible for every single Unfounded accusation against all Ramsey family members that goes on & on still to this day for No sound reason At All.
The government are Not spending Loads of $$ going after the Proven INNOCENT Ramseys. Now, go play.
It’s so true, Investigators wasted time blaming the family. It’s time to find and name Jonbenet’s killer.
John Mark Karr is in no way involved in the death of Jonbenet Ramsey. I wish you mindless people would accept this and go on from this.
The only reason that men like him get a job as a nanny is so that they can have unlimited access to the children
That's really gender attacking. I can not believe I just typed that, as a straight white guy. I'm a man, ive worked in daycare and I have no desire to hurt a child.
Love to see this solved. I’m 40 years old and known about this case since I was a kid.
I pray they found killer
Creepy looking dude, & even creepier that he was a Nanny.
😮😮😮
He looks like a serial killer?
@Leah_F. -- Motive, opportunity & knows layout of the house.
The mother did it, give it up.
I remember the authorities said he was out of the country and was lying. So they cleared him.
Not out of the country but not in Colorado either.
He reminds me of someone who you might have seen on The X-Files, he's just that creepy.
he does! the liver eating alien! 👽
Idk I feel like JMK is a compulsive liar and has the need to be relevant .
Who would let that super freak be a nanny and watch their child?!
Really though. I would never let any male babysit my children unless it’s a relative I’ve known my whole life and trust. Basically only my dad.
I've never stopped following this case. I'm obsessed. Justice for JonBenet. 🙏❤
You'd be the only one that cares. There's a new "story" coming out of Detroit about Jimmy Hoffa, you better hurry up and check it out! 😅
@@williamshook982 another classic case of "everyone knows everything." I'm not interested in your opinion, but thank you for sharing.
oh please, someone in the family did it say most folks. get real.
I don't believe he was involved. He just likes the attention he gets from this case. He is creepy and demented.
The FBI thought the family was guilty
A sick fkr will never need an excuse
But who in the right mind dresses der child CHILD up as an adult in adult make up and dresses so fkn wrong
This should be illegal and the parents should get jail for this abuse
I hope and pray they find her killer and let her sweet innocent soul rest and dance in heavenly peace ❤ x
Karr is a pathological lier, he just wants attention.
Karr is giving off really strange vibes! OMG! This evil stare...
I hope against hope that poor child finally gets justice.
Have the authorities never tested the DNA at the scene??? And if they did, didn't they never get DNA samples from ALL the suspects to compare to the existing evidence? If they did, and none of their suspects was a match, genetic genealogy is NOT going to incriminate someone who was already cleared by previous DNA testing.
No, they never did. Give me a break. Of course they did.
@@farmcat3198 Then my point stands, GENETIC GENEALOGY is not going to incriminate someone who has already been cleared by the DNA evidence.
I can't change my mind, because it would go against my gut feeling; dressing little girls up as adults, sexy adults, is dangerous, because it brings the sickos out. Sure, nothing happens with regular people, bu I also think it's a sickness for parents to do this, especially when the costume a hair and makeup cross the line into sexiness, even sleazy characters, and sometimes even with little boys. I can't believe it's good for the child, and I hope they have their man, and hope he tells what got him to go over the edge...............
Are we.... VICTIM BLAMING HERE??? just stop. We don't blame women for getting raped when they wear short skirts and we sure as hell don't children or their parents for the actions and behaviors of pedos. Just stop it
Isn't it at least as likely that dressing little girls up as adults is a reflection on the character of her parents and that this same character might have played a role in her death?
So explain the kids that aren't dressed like JonBennet and sickos still hurt children??? Deranged idiots don't care what a person wears. Stop victim blaming!!! Same goes for adults women.
Quick way to turn your kid into a narcissistic spoiled brat for sure. These type parents are gross.
I said it's a sickness of the parents to do so.@@65if2007
I still think the parents did it.
The ransom letter also used a lot of "computer terminology" and John was employed by a computer company.....it was not a random person...did they work for the same company?
@jameson245
There is something quite creepy about the guy. I'm not a judgy sort of person but there is something off about him.
I really hope and pray that the killer will be brought to justice.
The killer died long ago.
Well, that report didn’t reveal anything new :\
didn't he say YEARS ago that he went to teach kindergarten in Thailand??!! Man, I wish they could have nailed him then
@@guydud3 Yeah in the blighted eyes of all you victim annihilators, John & Patsy must have come across as dumb & dumber hey & obviously both being Dumbos, they dropped a trail of breadcrumbs that led straight to Themselves & also according to your ever so proud Cult of Ramsey Bashers, apparently being absolute Imbeciles, they must have had No Idea that Colorado had the Death Penalty.
FYI - there are a gross number of adults & kids who are murdered in the home when the occupants are there sleeping. Most of those homes are Not a newly renovated 4 level huge mansion from the 1920s with the former coal cellar still in situ underground & so, No Window. There are a gross number of those murderers who have Never been Caught.
Only JonBenet’s family are treated so Despicably, by a monstrous number of people in the public domain - being mostly U.S. citizens, Of Course. None of you have Read ANY Case Evidence, you’ve just watched TV & picked out the bits that Suit your personality type & then bang on with a load of garbage about a crime that you know Nothing about & do your best to constantly denigrate these very kind people who you Never KNEW.
Nobody can state One case with the same circumstances of a murdered child, including where the Parents are such as These parents & wealthy to boot as well. I’ll wait for you to Name that household.
Whilst you’re thinking about that, Include the scenario where the parents & kid brother have been drawn & quartered by all you now Criminal Geniuses & Incessantly for over 26 Years, without even any Respect for the murdered Child.
THIS family were Proven Innocent a long, Long time ago - these Victims who had to suffer in silence & even More So due to certain members of the Boulder PD who got great Enjoyment from deliberately leaking false & misleading information to the media, for no other reason than to save their own Incompetent asses.
You should all be Ashamed of yourselves, the rest of the world Sure IS.
Only absolute Morons would believe that someone would Handwrite a particularly violent ransom note yet first stop to think up 5 quotes from 5 violent movies about kidnapping scenarios & go on to do all that using their Own notepad paper plus their Own marker & Then leave both of those items near their phone For The COPS!.
Steve Thomas started all this Abysmal fiasco against this whole family by blaming JB’s mother. He was in Fact nothing but a Useless adversary with Plans to cash in from the very Beginning. He tried Very hard to pave his way in gold, he Failed at that also. Many followed his lead by playing the Paid Piper game & so, the same shit from soo many ugly mouth victim bashers is Still hitting the fan on fooltube.
Certainly his criminal record fits the bill. But then there are hard evidences he wasn't even in the state at that time. Didn't his ex-wife testify that the family were in Hamilton, Alabama (John Mark Karr hometown) at the very day of the murder? Even so maybe he sneaked away that night to Boulder a 1000 miles away?
They are part of the Elite families.... it was bungled on purpose.... family killed her and covered it up, the son did it !!!!
I don't get how this lady jokes about really serious issues
Because she has a black hole where a heart should be
She's a reporter they are the most insensitive people around. They only care about their career & their looks. Narcissist people don't have true feelings they can only fake them.
she is psycho
You are right, reporters are insensitive and cold. @@watchinvidzwatchinvidz7691
Its empathy tinkles are all dried up.
BECAUSE OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU!!!!!! 😡
My family and I always got a kick out of John Mark Karr's bizarrely high waisted pants.
I thought the ransom note was proven to be written by the mother. Come on, nobody outside of the family murdered the girl
I know. That part of the story just changes everything. It’s so insane how the mother did that. It was so sketchy. But I don’t get why she wouldn’t of hid the body better if she was involved.
It's not proven but the note is very bizarre and obviously not written by a real abductor.
Handwriting analysis is a pseudoscience, so it's not really proven... however, it's pretty obvious that someone in the family did it.
No, it is not proven. Why do people believe whatever? 🙄
The so called kidnappers never called.
Baloney. Forget the intruder theory.
Yeah but that ransom note looks so much like Patsy wrote it. Did she think Burk killed her so she wrote it.
Yes
The Boulder PD hired 2 private handwriting analysts & they also took the note to the Secret Service for 2 of Their experts, all 4 said NO Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. A few of the letters had the formation Similar to the formation of Some of Patsy’s letters because that’s how it was SET UP To BE. The letter formations were Not the only aspect that told the Real experts that NO Ramsey was involved in the writing of that Ridiculous note. And, the public have Never SEEN Patsy’s actual writing.
From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under both of JB’s pinkie fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months & so of course, the public too. The same Steve Thomas who had Never worked a murder case before but later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does. Two spots of blood were in the underpants but that was Never tested. Steve Thomas got around the office constantly talking about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene when the Ramsey’s attorneys found out about the 2 spots of blood & the DA finally ordered that to be tested. The blood was JBs plus Unknown male DNA being saliva mixed in one spot of the blood. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was now Two lots of Unknown male DNA evidence, from the media & so from the public domain.
The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media from the very beginning & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. Two of them went around the exterior at separate times early that morning, one with a flashlight. Both failed to see those windows under the grate where one was clearly broken at the top section, being a gaping hole. That broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point.
*Only America & one other country still has a stupid grand jury system. It is unfair, unjust & doesn't work. The jurors only hear from the prosecution, who get to pick & choose what evidence is presented & which witnesses appear. There is no judge, no defence lawyers & unless subpoenaed by the prosecution - No experts to rebut Whatever is presented. As a consequence, the jury vote on the side of the prosecution 98.6% of the time. And the BPD withheld a great deal of vital evidence. FYI - the vote was Not for murder. Unlike the jury, the general public & the media, the DA actually Saw all the evidence known about at that time as did Lou Smit, one of the best investigators in the country. Less than half the States, still have this abysmal grand jury system. The DNA alone Proved just how Wrong the jury Were. The jurors were Conned into believing Patsy wrote that Ridiculous note, that’s All.*
The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, the reading of his Pathetic letter blaming the DA for his Own failings, was his Marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of Lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, either. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his ‘Story’. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another.
What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on national TV & for Years? NONE. The Ramseys continued that til Patsy died in 2006 & John continued the same & does to this day.
Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolf vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carnes got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carnes declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He made up a time of death to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carnes was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. There was No basis for that case to go forward to trial so Wolfe lost. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with samples of the letters from the note down columns & letters Next to those, exactly the same, As If Patsy wrote those letters, it’s all Fake.
Every man & his dog has been out to make Money off the back of this high profile crime.
The Ramseys & Loads of others, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA a Long time ago.
The DNA from one of the unknown males was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - same unknown male DNA as from the underpants at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & the outside there. The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly & Officially in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from the unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr in 2006, who said he did it.
Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the never ending same old same old False information continues with many making up New false information for the titillation factor. Years down the track James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. Like Steve Thomas, Kolar had Never worked a murder case either. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass.
*NOBODY would Write 3 pages of 365 words & numbers as a ransom note plus use their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The COPS. There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That!*
The next Commander in charge by the name of Mark Beckner, was put in place in December 1997. He eventually found some integrity & publicly stated in 2015, words to the effect - “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”.
*All highly ignorant Ramsey bashers need to get this Very Clear - You Do NOT Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or John Douglas or Lou Smit OR the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years & to this day Also state that the Ramseys - Are Innocent.
**The Boulder PD issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022.
Recently a cold case team were put together & have now started working this case. The government are Not spending Loads of $$ going after the Proven INNOCENT Ramseys.
@@kimberlybeeson3613 To save him from the Trauma going on downstairs, Burke was taken to the Whites at 7.15 a.m., where their kids were present & some adult relatives. Burke was actually interviewed that very afternoon there at about 2 p.m., by detective Patterson who was at the Ramsey's house that morning. Neither of his parents were present for that interview that was recorded, nor did they know that was happening. Burke was taken to where the parents were at their friend's house & John told him then that JB was deceased. After that interview with Dr Phil & then the abysmal fall-out after that despicable Bogus CBS show was aired after that also in 2016, Patterson publicly defended Burke & stated on national TV that he’d conducted an interview with 9 year old Burke & he didn't know Anything at all & he’d been very worried that his little sister was still missing.
Burke was interviewed again 10 days later by a police child service's officer, that took Hours. No lawyer or parents were with him & his parents had Allowed that interview to take place. The public have seen a few snippets of that interview, from shows on utube, the 'bits' that suit the agenda of the channels. Same in relation to the interview with a detective when Burke was 11. That went on over 2 days, no lawyer nor his parents were with him & again, his parents Allowed that interview to take place.
Then, the poor Kid received a Subpoena to appear before the grand jury & off he went to do that Also, neither parent present & NO Lawyer there Either.
N.B. - that was a black & white photo at the bottom of the page, Nobody could tell what the hell that was. Burke tried very hard to work out what he was supposed to see, eventually he said about a glass. That idiot detective kept saying pineapple, pineapple, pineapple. LOL. Burke thought that what was in the bowl may have been cereal because it looked like muck, in that photo. All items on that table were Staged by the perps, as were Lots of items all over the house. There were 18 Chunks of pineapple in that bowl. There were more than one 18s within this crime. Meyer's lucky number was 18. That bowl had the leftover icing from the kids & friends Xmas party on the 23rd, the bowl was with other bowls & containers on the table that had the lollies for the decorating of the gingerbread houses. In photos from that party, the bowl can be seen. Patsy bought a large bag of icing. That big heavy bowl was kept in a top cupboard in the kitchen. From whatever tabloid, book or utube show, people now say that pineapple & milk was Burke & JB's favourite. LOL. It was Not. Forensic science Proved that JB did Not eat Any of that pineapple. BTW - pineapple is Acidic, it would Curdle friggin Milk.
They had all been up since 6 - 6.30 a.m. that Xmas Day morning & the kids played all day & with friends that afternoon & then again for half the night at the White's Xmas dinner party til about 9 p.m. JB fell into an Exhausted sleep when they got in the car to go home, making 2 stops on the way to drop off presents. JB was only 6 years old, she Did NOT Wake Up After That.
Burke did Not say on the Dr Phil interview that he ‘woke up & went downstairs’ to play with a toy. He walked in the door & went straight to his multi-storey car garage that he was given for Xmas. His father went downstairs, helped him put that together for 15-20 minutes then took him up to his room & helped him get ready for bed. The kids Never went downstairs on their own at night.
Burke had just turned 7 when he Accidentally hit JB with a toy golf club from a Backswing, it clocked her on the top of the cheekbone, he cried about it for a week. Nothing Else. The ever changing faeces Stories are Not true.
He was Asked what he thought happened to his little sister in that interview 10 days later. He was friends with the White’s kids & the Stine’s kids who obviously were Not told the Details about all that happened to their little friend. As Kids, just like adults, they Speculate & they Overhear adults talking.
The announcement through the media at the time was the True cause of death, Asphyxiation. The family were later told there was damage to the child’s skull. Both gross & Separate fractures were just After her death. As per, the hierarchy within the police do Not release all information, even to their own cops. The Fact is that the 1st fracture was Open front to back & nearly the length of the skull, the 2nd was a hole, the skull piece being split in 2 & inside. This total BS about a ‘bonk on the head’ grew legs because of Steve Thomas & his loon book of BS, that’s Why he was sued & then James Kolar did one better & said Burke did the head bonk. Thomas the twit was about to be fired for his despicable scenario & Kolar the clown Was fired for his rot with the added on BS coming from Jim Clemente in 2016 & so that farcical CBS show.
One needs to Think about WHY that police Evidence of the 911 recording was put on a TV programme After the Ramsey’s book was released & they had appeared on the Larry King show in March 2000 where they spoke publicly about some of the cops’ failings. One needs to find out about Steve Thomas first though, the former narcotics officer, including that he constantly talked about the book he was going to write when supposedly working this case of a Child’s brutal murder. He said that Patsy hadn't hung up the phone properly & he said Burke could be heard saying something in the background. He accused the Ramseys of lying in saying Burke was asleep when that call was made. They were Incensed about that Next accusation & wanted to Hear what the cops were talking about. And, Thomas said Burke Only. The cops refused to let the Ramseys hear that recording. John & Patsy were So upset, they went on national TV & told the World what they had just been accused of & challenged the cops to cough-up with the tape. All went quiet. Please note, all this was After the grand jury hearing that took 13 months & where Burke was again questioned for a long time by the Special Prosecutor this time, Michael Kane. Next thing, a TV Show has the recording, Words are put on screen & suddenly it's supposedly All 3 Ramseys in the background.
How amusing but typical form from that scumbag Steve Thomas who’s nothing but a Proven Liar, who’s only accolade before this murder case was busting a bike theft ring. He released his childish book, was promptly sued for all the Lies & lost every cent that he made from the public’s purse strings. He had then moved overseas with his tail firmly planted between his legs.
When calling 911 Patsy was using the Wall phone in the alcove that was near that door by the grate that she called the kitchen door. John was reading the note over & over by her Then. In the Authentic recording of that call, Patsy hanging up the handset on the metal cradle that was at the side of that phone is Clearly heard, CLICK. IF the cops Actually had Any Ramseys in the background because Patsy didn’t hang up, the recording would have been played til the end & all would have heard CLICK. Under that phone on the wall, was a cupboard. If Patsy had put the handset down, all would have heard CLUNK.
Here’s the thing, why would they lie about Burke being downstairs? He was Allowed downstairs! Yawn. And then there’s the Fact that the closeted 9 year old Kid, would have coughed up in a nanosecond that he was there when his mother made that 911 call.
Why do tabloids print sensational headlines whether true or false? $$$. Why do 'authors' put a book together based on the same information from the magazines & TV shows? $$$.
In the U.S., for the past 2 years, newscasts & talk shows have been getting out the info about the DNA again but they don't go into enough detail, too scared to be mobbed I presume. I see on utube, an explosion of podcasters pumping out shows since that time frame. They pump out the Same false & misleading information over & over again like well trained monkeys & many make up more garbage to keep all the Ramsey bashers entertained & Excited to be fired up.
DNA is Science & science doesn’t lie. What I notice, is that only the Ramsey bashers Ignore that Scientific evidence. Of course, like soo much of the other Truth around this case, people have cherry picked what they choose to believe but at the same time, the Facts about the DNA are not detailed enough, thorough - being from the 1st week, unknown male DNA mixed with JB's DNA, under both of her pinkie fingernails. That was just the First results & it’s Known - Two unknown male DNA, several places on JB’s person. The DNA from one has been in CODIS since 2003.
People don't realise that the cops do Not release the Case Evidence to the media & so, the public have No Idea what the Actual evidence of perpetrators in the house Is, nor do the public know all that Really happened to JB.
People need to understand that this crime for money & revenge was very, Very well Planned. Everything was set up to incriminate all Ramseys if they called the cops. Just to clarify, there were Two severe skull fractures that occurred just after JB was strangled to death. Both were Precise & also pre-planned if the cops were called & so, all 3 weapons were at hand. That flashlight was Never a weapon used & did Not belong to the Ramseys. All the Stories about Burke, pineapple & the flashlight grew legs After that Bogus CBS show went to air in 2016. Lots of people Chose to believe that utter Nonsense because they’re not very Bright.
FYI - Burke was Never even a suspect & that’s Why, within the Multitude of TV shows before 2016, he was never mentioned because the journos & presenters had No reason/cause to talk about him.
John mark karr? no.
no one is buying this crap
It is so sad at what happen to this family. Such a nightmare all around. 😳🥺
RIP Mom & Daughter 🙏🏻🥺💕
Hopefully genetic genealogy matches the male DNA on her body to someone now that the old cops are gone that refused to allow the family to pay for the testing.
No suspect, can be completely cleared until the killer is found.
This is on repeat.. It's not ok bc a killer is loose & has been since 1996. In what world is that ok. I don't know what the hell they are doing with this case. A little girl was brutally murdered & she needs justice. If she were mine I'd push & I'd push until they find that guy. I just don't get it. There is a killer literally on the loose & could have killed since then also. I just don't get it Unless they know something we don't.& what could it possibly be though. That they know & are watching the guy for 27 years???? What is it?
It was the other predator who also confessed. He matched handwriting. He was nearby at the time. it fits.
I’m sticking with my first suspect/suspicion, which is the step brother.
Ramseys connection to authorities in Colorado probably covered it up .
Also how is it that this story has gotten so much publicity for years - books movies and interviews , while their has been thousands of missing children not being covered ? 💰
The Boulder PD hired 2 private handwriting analysts & they also took the note to the Secret Service for 2 of Their experts, all 4 said NO Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. A few of the letters had the formation Similar to the formation of Some of Patsy’s letters because that’s how it was SET UP To BE. The letter formations were Not the only aspect that told the Real experts that NO Ramsey was involved in the writing of that Ridiculous note. And, the public have Never SEEN Patsy’s actual writing.
From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under both of JB’s pinkie fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months & so of course, the public too. The same Steve Thomas who had Never worked a murder case before but later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does. Two spots of blood were in the underpants but that was Never tested. Steve Thomas got around the office constantly talking about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene when the Ramsey’s attorneys found out about the 2 spots of blood & the DA finally ordered that to be tested. The blood was JBs plus Unknown male DNA being saliva mixed in one spot of the blood. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was now Two lots of Unknown male DNA evidence, from the media & so from the public domain.
The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media from the very beginning & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. Two of them went around the exterior at separate times early that morning, one with a flashlight. Both failed to see those windows under the grate where one was clearly broken at the top section, being a gaping hole. That broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point.
*Only America & one other country still has a stupid grand jury system. It is unfair, unjust & doesn't work. The jurors only hear from the prosecution, who get to pick & choose what evidence is presented & which witnesses appear. There is no judge, no defence lawyers & unless subpoenaed by the prosecution - No experts to rebut Whatever is presented. As a consequence, the jury vote on the side of the prosecution 98.6% of the time. And the BPD withheld a great deal of vital evidence. FYI - the vote was Not for murder. Unlike the jury, the general public & the media, the DA actually Saw all the evidence known about at that time as did Lou Smit, one of the best investigators in the country. Less than half the States, still have this abysmal grand jury system. The DNA alone Proved just how Wrong the jury Were. The jurors were Conned into believing Patsy wrote that Ridiculous note, that’s All.*
The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, the reading of his Pathetic letter blaming the DA for his Own failings, was his Marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of Lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, either. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his ‘Story’. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another.
What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on national TV & for Years? NONE. The Ramseys continued that til Patsy died in 2006 & John continued the same & does to this day.
Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolf vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carnes got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carnes declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He made up a time of death to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carnes was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. There was No basis for that case to go forward to trial so Wolfe lost. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with samples of the letters from the note down columns & letters Next to those, exactly the same, As If Patsy wrote those letters, it’s all Fake.
Every man & his dog has been out to make Money off the back of this high profile crime.
The Ramseys & Loads of others, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA a Long time ago.
The DNA from one of the unknown males was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - same unknown male DNA as from the underpants at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & the outside there. The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly & Officially in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from the unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr in 2006, who said he did it.
Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the never ending same old same old False information continues with many making up New false information for the titillation factor. Years down the track James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. Like Steve Thomas, Kolar had Never worked a murder case either. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass.
*NOBODY would Write 3 pages of 365 words & numbers as a ransom note plus use their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The COPS. There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That!*
The next Commander in charge by the name of Mark Beckner, was put in place in December 1997. He eventually found some integrity & publicly stated in 2015, words to the effect - “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”.
*All highly ignorant Ramsey bashers need to get this Very Clear - You Do NOT Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or John Douglas or Lou Smit OR the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years & to this day Also state that the Ramseys - Are Innocent.
**The Boulder PD issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022.
Recently a cold case team were put together & have now started working this case. The government are Not spending Loads of $$ going after the Proven INNOCENT Ramseys.
The darkness will always come to the light sooner or later
"There are reports from 26 years ago that say it was not the family ..." Why does nobody point out that it was the father who RULED what was to be done and how, while destroying evidence in the house running to and fro, moving the body, having people walking like a herd of buffaloes, then wanting to quit the scene and fly somewhere immediately, and, and, and ... ? Kids that still do it in their beds and panties, ghe boy smearing faeces on walls, a garrotte being used, ... I shall be following this until we hopefully finally get the answer, but until then, to me this is an inside job.
Gary Oliva has confessed to the killing.… Colorado police were tipped off as early as the day after the murder by a friend who he had confessed to over the phone.… he later went to jail for child pornography and has wrote letters about his feelings for the little girl. His parents had hired a private detective to investigate him, by whom he was seen attending the vigil a year later. This was a terrible Police blunder, handled very badly. Who knows how many more kids this monster went onto harm.
The killer is either the brother or the dad. This creep is just one of the many males that were abusing her. But the killer is her next of Keen, and THAT is what this guy knows. They are all a part of a predator society, a local group. The parents were passing her around. The brother started messing with her out of mimicking the behavior of the adults. The only thing I can’t figure out is whether it was the brother or the father that killed her, but I have an inkling towards the kid. The adults knew how to abuse her without causing lethal damage, but the kid didn’t. This story is so much more gruesome and vile than what most people want to see. The US needs to make child pageantry illegal. It’s abhorrent to me how any society can officially accept the sexualization, commodification and exploitation of children and call itself civilized. Anyone who dresses a child like a sexed up adult woman is OBVIOUSLY not only suspicious but dangerous! Again, OBVIOUSLY! Who does it benefit to keep this industry going? The predators, only!
I don’t see Anyone railing against all those who Make Up from their sick Heads, all the despicable garbage, which is them Accusing JonBenet Herself, of all the Vile incest & paedophile acts that they conjure up with Glee & post proudly.
Of the Hundreds of such comments & Stories that I’ve read from these abhorrent so-called human beings, Nobody says a friggin Thing to them. What a National Disgrace.
Hang on that’s right, Lots of Other so-called human beings Do say certain things to them, they Agree with them. And because they’re of the Same Ilk, they’re Bolstered to post Their sick thought processes about the same Vile acts, incest & paedophilia, all about this Child, including 9 year old Burke sometimes & no-one rebukes them in Any way.
There was never one Skerrick of evidence that JB was previously sexually molested Nor one Skerrick of evidence that JB was previously sexually abused. Not one Skerrick about Burke either. Yet the Ramseys & their Kids are very cruelly subjected to a round-robin of particularly grotesque accusations that include - child sacrifice, satanic worship scenarios, pedos at the garden parties, selling their child, their friends being Allowed to abuse their child, society members being Allowed to abuse their child including Of Course, Epstein & so on & so on - on it goes, Incessantly.
According to the same so-called human beings, because the Ramseys were wealthy at the time, all of the above is what they did with their spare time.
Nobody Ever mentions that the Ramseys had deep faith in God & were avid church goers.
One can pop over to the many videos about the Chris Watt’s murder case. Let me know when you find Anyone who has posted Any comment about Him sexually abusing his little girls Or any other comment about a gang of his friends who did the same & worse.
Of all the Hundreds of videos about same subject & victimology, Nobody talks about Any of Those kids as soo many do about This, highly intelligent 6 year old murdered little girl.
Shame on you
@heucatia Fleet White and his guests I think are likely suspects, and John to a degree
You can tell this suspect is totally weird just by the way he wears his shirts/pants.
Being weird is. no crime. Jon Benet was sexually abused, for years, from her autopsy report. That would be good place to start.
Her father@@Agnar669
BTW - the authentic autopsy report can be found online, the 1st of 9 pages has the symbol for Boulder County. There was Nothing of the sort in that report. That's just more Made Up fodder for lowbrow Ramsey bashers to get off on & to sell the books of BS. . @@Agnar669
Really hope they find out who did this horrible crime 😢😢😢
Who would be someone that this guy protected? An adult child, maybe? I can't imagine who he's protect but whoever it is, let's find out.
This is all lies I’m sure he just wants attention if the DNA is a match I’ll listen then I still don’t understand how they cleared the parents of this
Maybe they didn't do it. Did you ever stop to think about that?
Politics.
@@ValleyoftheRogue Well, they might have covered up for their son. That's the most charitable interpretation of the evidence that can be constructed on their behalf.
@@65if2007 Yes, I remember seeing an extremely awkward interview with her brother regarding the murder
yes - attention seeker. he is a registered sex offender, what does this guy mean when he says he doesn't know where he lives. most countries have sex offender registers!!! it would not take much to track him down!!
Just solve this f'cking case already... this is ridiculous!!
I know RIGHT can't believe they haven't found the killer yet I have followed this since day one she was so adorable my heart breaks
Nit"whit": Pollyanna, how?
@@cherylhaskell9830 The Boulder PD hired 2 private handwriting analysts & they also took the note to the Secret Service for 2 of Their experts, all 4 said NO Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. A few of the letters had the formation Similar to the formation of Some of Patsy’s letters because that’s how it was SET UP To BE. The letter formations were Not the only aspect that told the Real experts that NO Ramsey was involved in the writing of that Ridiculous note. And, the public have Never SEEN Patsy’s actual writing.
From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under both of JB’s pinkie fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months & so of course, the public too. The same Steve Thomas who had Never worked a murder case before but later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does. Two spots of blood were in the underpants but that was Never tested. Steve Thomas got around the office constantly talking about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene when the Ramsey’s attorneys found out about the 2 spots of blood & the DA finally ordered that to be tested. The blood was JBs plus Unknown male DNA being saliva mixed in one spot of the blood. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was now Two lots of Unknown male DNA evidence, from the media & so from the public domain.
The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media from the very beginning & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. Two of them went around the exterior at separate times early that morning, one with a flashlight. Both failed to see those windows under the grate where one was clearly broken at the top section, being a gaping hole. That broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point.
*Only America & one other country still has a stupid grand jury system. It is unfair, unjust & doesn't work. The jurors only hear from the prosecution, who get to pick & choose what evidence is presented & which witnesses appear. There is no judge, no defence lawyers & unless subpoenaed by the prosecution - No experts to rebut Whatever is presented. As a consequence, the jury vote on the side of the prosecution 98.6% of the time. And the BPD withheld a great deal of vital evidence. FYI - the vote was Not for murder. Unlike the jury, the general public & the media, the DA actually Saw all the evidence known about at that time as did Lou Smit, one of the best investigators in the country. Less than half the States, still have this abysmal grand jury system. The DNA alone Proved just how Wrong the jury Were. The jurors were Conned into believing Patsy wrote that Ridiculous note, that’s All.*
The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, the reading of his Pathetic letter blaming the DA for his Own failings, was his Marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of Lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, either. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his ‘Story’. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another.
What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on national TV & for Years? NONE. The Ramseys continued that til Patsy died in 2006 & John continued the same & does to this day.
Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolf vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carnes got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carnes declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He made up a time of death to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carnes was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. There was No basis for that case to go forward to trial so Wolf lost.
Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with samples of the letters from the note down columns & letters Next to those, exactly the same, As If Patsy wrote those letters, it’s all Fake.
Every man & his dog has been out to make Money off the back of this high profile crime.
The Ramseys & Loads of others, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA a Long time ago.
The DNA from one of the unknown males was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - same unknown male DNA as from the underpants at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & the outside there. The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly & Officially in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from the unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr in 2006, who said he did it.
Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the never ending same old same old False information continues with many making up New false information for the titillation factor. Years down the track James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. Like Steve Thomas, Kolar had Never worked a murder case either. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass.
*NOBODY would Write 3 pages of 365 words & numbers as a ransom note plus use their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The COPS. There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That!*
The next Commander in charge by the name of Mark Beckner, was put in place in December 1997. He eventually found some integrity & publicly stated in 2015, words to the effect - “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”.
*All highly ignorant Ramsey bashers need to get this Very Clear - You Do NOT Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or John Douglas or Lou Smit OR the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years & to this day Also state that the Ramseys - ARE Innocent.
**The Boulder PD issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022.
Recently a cold case team were put together & have now started working this case. The government are Not spending Loads of $$ going after the Proven INNOCENT Ramseys.
@DoobieDeb
Me too, I remember the exact day and what I was doing when the news broke. Her poor mother died, not knowing what happened to her baby. I unfortunately had not become a mother when this happened, but now I am... I can't imagine, nor do I want to imagine, what this family has gone through.
This whole case was botched from day one, but they have evidence. So, why are they still dragging their feet on this case? That, I'll never understand either.
Very interesting. I wasn't expecting that.
Her family did not do this.
But why was the ransom note written in the mothers writing. She clearly wrote it. When they showed her her own family photo album with writing that matches hers she said she didn’t know who’s writing it was. Soooo sketchy
@@Junitunes The Boulder PD hired 2 private handwriting analysts & they also took the note to the Secret Service for 2 of Their experts, all 4 said NO Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. A few of the letters had the formation Similar to the formation of Some of Patsy’s letters because that’s how it was SET UP To BE. The letter formations were Not the only aspect that told the Real experts that NO Ramsey was involved in the writing of that Ridiculous note. And, the public have Never SEEN Patsy’s actual writing.
From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under both of JB’s pinkie fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months & so of course, the public too. The same Steve Thomas who had Never worked a murder case before but later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does. Two spots of blood were in the underpants but that was Never tested. Steve Thomas got around the office constantly talking about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene when the Ramsey’s attorneys found out about the 2 spots of blood & the DA finally ordered that to be tested. The blood was JBs plus Unknown male DNA being saliva mixed in one spot of the blood. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was now Two lots of Unknown male DNA evidence, from the media & so from the public domain.
The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media from the very beginning & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. Two of them went around the exterior at separate times early that morning, one with a flashlight. Both failed to see those windows under the grate where one was clearly broken at the top section, being a gaping hole. That broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point.
The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, the reading of his Pathetic letter blaming the DA for his Own failings, was his Marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of Lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, either. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his ‘Story’. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another.
What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on national TV & for Years? NONE. The Ramseys continued that til Patsy died in 2006 & John continued the same & does to this day.
Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolf vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carnes got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carnes declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He made up a time of death to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carnes was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. There was No basis for that case to go forward to trial so Wolf lost. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with samples of the letters from the note down columns & letters Next to those, exactly the same, As If Patsy wrote those letters, it’s all Fake.
Every man & his dog has been out to make Money off the back of this high profile crime.
The Ramseys & Loads of others, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA a Long time ago.
The DNA from one of the unknown males was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - same unknown male DNA as from the underpants at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & the outside there. The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly & Officially in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from the unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr in 2006, who said he did it.
Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the never ending same old same old False information continues with many making up New false information for the titillation factor. Years down the track James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. Like Steve Thomas, Kolar had Never worked a murder case either. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass.
*NOBODY would Write 3 pages of 365 words & numbers as a ransom note plus use their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The COPS. There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That!*
The next Commander in charge by the name of Mark Beckner, was put in place in December 1997. He eventually found some integrity & publicly stated in 2015, words to the effect - “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”.
*All highly ignorant Ramsey bashers need to get this Very Clear - You Do NOT Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or John Douglas or Lou Smit OR the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years & to this day Also state that the Ramseys - Are Innocent.
**The Boulder PD issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022.
Recently a cold case team were put together & have now started working this case. The government are Not spending Loads of $$ going after the Proven INNOCENT Ramseys.
@@Junitunes Glenn Meyer wrote under 3 photos Only & in One photo album only. He did that to include a few of the letters, as in the note & to add the even spaces between the words, as in the note. BTW - the even spaces that were in between Every word in the note. Patsy would Not write that stupid crap under her photos & there were No names, where or year.
This was a very, Very well planned crime for money, that turned into revenge against John. As sociopaths, the perps thought they were not only very clever, but also highly amusing. FYI - they wrote on Many items & drew on things as well - for fun & to have the keystone cops in a twist - not they noticed much at all Anyway.
please recap, introduce the background of the story.
In-your-face Nancy Grace I am so glad she was so wrong she thought she knew everything,,,
yes, she's annoying
❤❤so happy to see Ashley
Watched this video. What did I learn? Zero. But they will keep rolling out these non-updates for $.
Welcome to the Jonbenet Ramsey Business.
The house was a multi story house.The person that they allege killed her would have had to have extensive knowledge on his bonus ,the layout of the house ,and write a ransom note that really was not a ransom note and to know how to plot around this snack in the middle of the night that Patsy made for Burke including a teacup of tea .She was starving and had been with held food as pineapple remnants where the only thing found in her stomach.Why does a child who has been to a Christmas party with parents need a midnight snack of pineapple and a cup of tea?No you want your kids to go to bed and stay asleep so you can sleep.Patsy abused John Bennet! She killed her when she found her downstairs trying to eat!
This will be amazing!
I can’t believe they have completely ruled out a family member 🤔
They haven't. They never named any Persons of Interest. They never officially ruled anyone out, either.
@@wintergarden7539 not as far as these idiots are concerned
@@wintergarden7539here read this and get it through your head lol ..
"No one in the department expects the familial DNA to be a Ramsey, or even a distant Ramsey relative," a source within the Boulder Police Department ....We expect it to be someone completely unrelated."
It's time for you people to get off the Ramseys they were framed
It will never be solved if they keep focusing on the family
Let's hope it is. For the case to be solved is long overdue.
"What is all this craziness? Why 118k? Why not a million? There was some point to that $118,000 that made sense to the kill
"I had gotten a deferred compensation bonus in January of that year for $118,230 or something like that. I didn't actually get the money, but it was on every pay stub for the next 12 months....The killer knew them....watched them...was jealous of them for some reason?
Guilty...lock him up!
Ok, so what did Mark say about Jonbenet???
Why are these news reports so short, hurried and interrupted?
I wonder if they ever looked into a college friend of oldest son that maybe stayed at house previously when the Ramseys were out of town with younger children maybe he didn’t go home for Christmas and stayed in the area
I heard zero new evidence that Carr did it, did I miss something???
Oh more baloney! Patsy wrote that note and John is still playing us for fools.
There is something Really wrong with all people like Yourself, who believe Whatever you see on a TV screen or read in a book or watch on a TV show & now all the utube uploaders who get their info from the Same & clearly they too are as dumb dumb as dog doo doo & many of those a##wipes Make Up more BS for their brain dead 'viewers'. Do something decent for society & try to Grow Up. All these entities put out Whatever to make Money from the Ignorant public & the more Salacious the better.
The Ramseys were Proven Innocent a long, Long time ago with a mountain of Actual evidence & by a whole bunch of Actual experts under the umbrella of Law Enforcement, who included Experienced seasoned investigators who had to be brought into this case down the track, expert Crime Scene techs & expert DNA & forensic Scientists. None of these people wrote a Book nor grandstanded themselves on TV shows because they had something called Integrity & kept working this case due to the fact that their Sole purpose was to find highly sadistic killers & so, to protect your Kids.
Shameless
Oh man this must be it! So it's solved now?!
Nothing new, boring.
No news, news. Excellent.
What's really creepy is parents entering their child in something like this in the first place. There's nothing cute about it. No child that young needs to be focused on their looks. Trying to make little girls into adults to me is ridiculous.
Where would you even find a Nanny like that? The discount shelf of Discount Nannies?
Lord I thought John Mark was in prison still!
i think the family practiced Trauma Based Mind Control, and that Jonbenet was used as a sex slave for high paying creeps, but that instead of being killed, she was made to perform like a mannequin, as one of the skills a sex slave is "taught" is to hold rigidly still like a mannequin, adn that Jonbenet played as if she had rigor mortis to fool the cop that was first in the house, scared that she was trapped iwht a killer and not enough bullets to protect herself. The family was offered money ,or ordered, to take Jonbenet and train her as a very very highly controlled performer, and is now a very famous singer. If i say who, people will believe that I am a nutbag conspiracy theorist, which is what dumb ignorant people say about things that they dont yet understand, out of cognitive dissonance. I had pictures that prove what im saying that Jonbenet is alive and plays multiple roles as a performer, one of which was "killed" off, and the royalties went through the roof. her mother was also a pageant queen, monarch mind control victim, and she was obeying orders when she wrote the kidnap note. I believe Burke was also a sex slave, as there are pictures of the family were BOTH children are clearly wearing lipstick even though they were tiny little kids. I believe that the mother performed secret role as a witch, and there is video of her when she was a bit younger, describing some satanic rituals at which she lead the ceremony. I dont believe that Patsy knew deeply her programmed alter egos, so she might not be culpable in the disposal and fake kidnappping of her daughter or the abuse of the kids before that. I might be wrong, perhaps im crazy, but i had photographs that prove that Jonbenet lived to adulthood and those photographs were lowered to a very low resolution on my computer without my permission or knowledge, and i have noted that almost all the photographs available online from fans of Jonbenets later alter ego, are low resolution so as to obscure the identifiying moles etc on her body, and that her owners are so rich and powerful that they use software to find and alter digital pictures anywere in the world, on almost anyone;s computer.
This guy did NOT kill JB, he does NOT know the killer personally and was “ protecting “ them. This guy is looking for the same thing he was over a decade ago- ATTENTION. Just like Madeleine McCanns killer is NOT some guy from Germany. In both cases we all know who killed these children and it’s the people who should have protected them- their parents!
BTW lovey, there is Nothing to say that Maddie is deceased, so all the Crap said about her poor parents is Moot. AND, don't bother putting All of us in Your ignorant basket, not everyone is dumb dumb as dog doo doo. Yawn.
Have you taken your meds today? 😜
Agree.
both do look like preventable crimes. treat your children like a million bucks. don't leave them home alone, don't leave doors and windows unlocked, and for goodness sake don't hide the house key under the rock out front
@@SteviePaints FYI - there are a gross number of adults & kids who are murdered in the home when the occupants are there sleeping. Most of those homes are Not a newly renovated 4 level huge mansion from the 1920s with the former coal cellar still in situ underground & so, No Window. There are a gross number of those murderers who have Never been Caught.
Only JonBenet’s family are treated so Despicably, by a monstrous number of people in the public domain - being mostly U.S. citizens, Of Course. None of you have Read ANY Case Evidence, you’ve just watched TV & picked out the bits that Suit your personality type & then bang on with a load of garbage about a crime that you know Nothing about & do your best to constantly denigrate these very kind people who you Never KNEW.
Nobody can state One case with the same circumstances of a murdered child, including where the Parents are such as These parents & wealthy to boot as well. I’ll wait for you to Name that household.
Whilst you’re thinking about that, Include the scenario where the parents & kid brother have been drawn & quartered by all you now Criminal Geniuses & Incessantly for over 26 Years, without even any Respect for the murdered Child.
THIS family were Proven Innocent a long, Long time ago - these Victims who had to suffer in silence & even More So due to certain members of the Boulder PD who got great Enjoyment from deliberately leaking false & misleading information to the media, for no other reason than to save their own Incompetent asses.
You should all be Ashamed of yourselves, the rest of the world Sure IS.
Only absolute Morons would believe that someone would Handwrite a particularly violent ransom note yet first stop to think up 5 quotes from 5 violent movies about kidnapping scenarios & go on to do all that using their Own notepad paper plus their Own marker & Then leave both of those items near their phone For The COPS!.
Steve Thomas started all this Abysmal fiasco against this whole family by blaming JB’s mother. He was in Fact nothing but a Useless adversary with Plans to cash in from the very Beginning. He tried Very hard to pave his way in gold, he Failed at that also. Many followed his lead by playing the Paid Piper game & so, the same shit from soo many ugly mouth victim bashers is Still hitting the fan on fooltube.
If the public knew Everything that these vilest of highly sadistic sociopaths Really did to this little girl & all that they did in that house, when her family were Asleep, You the public would - Freak the hell out.
Law Enforcement proved them Innocent a Long time ago & then Finally, the Official & very public announcement in 2008, they were Exonerated. It’s more than Way over time to leave them in Peace.
Wasn't he supposed to be out of the country when the crime occurred? The Ramsey's behavior and actions were never sufficient to rule them out, although explaining the brutality of the crime is very difficult.
I agree with Steve. Im sad for the Ramsey family. Because LE messed up the whole case from minute one. Pasty probably died with a broken heart over it. Never believed her family did the deed. Ill be shocked if it ever closed at this point. But i wish them luck.
of course it cant be him. Look at the facts
I already told them what I thought they don’t wanna listen though
Sounds like a whole lotta nothing if you ask me.... lol
BUT: The "Ransom Note"
Someone knows something and there is a reason why this case has not been solved YET!!!
Please explain the weirdo note. Give me a break.
Description all jacked up 😅
Linda Hoffman Pugh and Mervin Pugh. Everything points to them and always has. The police need to focus on them. What are they waiting for. Mervin died a few years ago but he has sons to compare the DNA. I really hope LE pays Linda a visit asap.
Probably it's already been done and found wanting.
I also think it was Linda Hoffman. She could have known about the bonus Jon received and would have known the layout of the house, potentially could have had a key, was familiar to JonBenet, and had an axe to grind.
Very possible Linda in her post since interviews talked trash about Patsy that could be to get the cops off her trail. She easily without a doubt had everything she needed to get away with the perfect murder. This fact is not even debateable it's not proven if she was the ring leader or if her husband or other creeps was in the house an murdered JB when she scream then the ransom money grab didn't happen. I'd bet the cops never spent enough time looking at her.
Creepy guy to the extreme, good grief.
Why can't they solve this with familial dna.
John Mark Karr looks like he's auditioning for Half-Life 3.
1st sentence in the description is wacked.
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@@themessenger4208 I know, like WTF? Bad AI?
@@annem7806 Lazy humans....