ITPM Apollo 13 Team Project
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- Опубліковано 17 лис 2014
- Intro:
The movie Apollo 13, based on actual events during the NASA space mission of the same name, portrays three astronauts who must overcome problem after problem after their spacecraft malfunctions. With support from the ground crew at Houston TX and with all of the United States hoping for their safe return, the three men overcome almost impossible odds through teamwork.
Summary:
In this clip, the craft malfunction has already occurred and Cmdr. Jim Lovell (Tom Hanks), is discussing a problem with Fred Haise (Bill Paxton). During this discussion, Jack Swigert (Kevin Bacon), interrupts with a problem of his own which he deems a priority and that Mission Control is not communicating critical information. Due to the life threatening situation the team is in, tempers fly, blame is laid, and focus is lost. Cmdr. Lovell demonstrates his leadership by diffusing the situation, prioritizes problems and takes responsibility for his team’s actions.
Possible Questions/Answers:
Q: Why would Cmdr. Lovell volunteer to take responsibility for who performed the cryo stir when it was Jack Swigert who performed the task at the request of Mission Control?
A: As the leader, the responsibility for all actions performed by the team done correctly or not, falls with the leader/project manager. Fred Haise is laying blame on Jack Swigert for not being more attentive, Cmdr. Lovell then takes that blame away from Jack Swigert so that his team member can remain focused on the task at hand and not the repercussions that may lie ahead.
Q: If Jack Swigert was right about Mission Control not relaying critical information about re-entry, what would Mission Control gain by withholding that information?
A: If Mission Control relayed information on a life threatening problem the crew could do nothing about then they are introducing another distraction to a team that is already stressed.
Q: Near the end of the clip, Cmdr. Lovell’s voice is authoritative and stern while trying to get the team back on track. When he answers Mission Control, his voice suddenly changes to calm and collected. Why would he do this?
A: Cmdr. Lovell is demonstrating to his team that even though he is being stern and loud, he is still in control and not panicked. The way he answers Mission Control is also how he maintains effective communication to not cause further problems.
This clip was uploaded by Christopher Arriaga for fair-use/non-profit educational use under Section 107/Title 17 of U.S. Copyright law.
Apparently, this is the only part they had to dramatize for the film. During the mission, the crew never got into any kind of tussle. They were consummate professionals, and they worked through the problems with total calm and attention to detail that obviously befits these crazy incredible men. But them getting along 100% and working together would have been kind of boring as a plot, so I totally appreciate both the real story and the fictional moment here, especially since everything else about this movie is totally correct.
And now I realize the point I was making has been made by everyone, ever, in this comments section :!
There was a lot of other stuff in the movie that didn't happen.
Hmmm, Interesting perspective. It is good to know they never argued. Maybe it is better to learn that after the movie - You get the fun of seeing the movie and let your curiosity remind you that brave people walk among us.
Eh, I wouldn’t say it was the only thing. According to what I heard, the CO2 thing never became a real problem because they figured out that it would be a problem and solved it before it was a real danger
Apparently the Lovell's daughter wasn't as enamoured by The Beatles as was depicted too. Lol.
"What are you talking about? How'd you figure that?"
"I can ADD!" lmao
2:08 when you're in a fight with someone, the phone rings, you pick up and pretend that everything is cool.
Are we on vox?
I laughed so loud at this part
😂Love it too😂🎉🎉🎉🎉
@@StevenCarinci 😂😂😂😂 exactly
It’s very fortunate that this didn’t happen in real life. The very last thing the crew needed was a breakdown of teamwork.
Wasn't exactly a breakdown. And I'm sure there were periods of tension onboard.
@cloudyyo These "tensions" literally did not happen. If you have the time, go through the flight tapes and listen for yourself. These men were stone-cold professionals.
This entire scene was crafted for the sake of movie drama, nothing more.
I like it from a movie standpoint it humanizes the astronauts situation. They did not fight but we sure as shit would and at the end of the day we want to see our self's in the movie's hero's.
that just proves they are the best of the best. I know that they had to go through extreme dangers and discomforts. They had little to no sleep, it is freezing cold, and they were suffering major headaches due to lack of oxygen. I know I would be bitching and moaning under those conditions, but the fact these three never did just proves they are the best of the best.
@cloudyyo They never happened at all if you research Apollo 13. Acting like that will NOT get them anywhere when they are in space with the real possibility of dying. The movie acts like Jack Swigert was not competent for the mission which is absolute BS. The astronauts said never ONCE did ANYONE think jack was incapable of flying the ship. Why would they put him into space if that were the case? They knew it had nothing to do with him and they only put this in the movie for drama.
In his book, Lovell said , "Poor Jack-- anything he tried to do in life, it always turned dark"
Was running for Congress when diagnosed w cancer.
Jack passed away at 51.
Haise & Lovell still alive .
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So is Ken
Lovell and Haise had a strong reaction to this scene when they read the script at the time, because nothing like it never happened. Ron Howard explained that he needed an (invented) verbal confrontation to raise the tension. Lovell also states that the implication in the movie that Swigart (Bacon) had to continuously 'earn his wings' since he was a last minute replacement is also incorrect, as they had the utmost confidence in him prior to launch.
Don't care, still love the movie. And I didn't feel like it belittled Swigert at all. Ron was right.
F'n Hollywood, telling us too many lies in the name of Dramatic License......go figure.
@@SFAPowerhouse NTSB investigators of Sully hate the way they were made to be the villain.
the swigart part is bang on yeh. All the "Can he do it" and "He's not ken" was BS. They wouldn't let him up there if they didn't think he was 100% capable of doing the job
@@SFAPowerhouse oh calm down you amateur ideologue
The astronauts never argued like this. It was all very calm and professional.
those guys are fucking cowboys, with PhD, in space, driving a fucking rocket!!!! in fact, Saturn V is the shit!! Rocketly speaking. yeah thoses guys were incredible
Yeah. But the makers figured it would be a good scene to add in, since seeing all three astronauts working together all the time would be pretty boring. And they even make good theories as to why they get at each other’s throats here.
Ive known a few test pilots in real life, and the thing with these guys is that they encounter failing equipment and critical malfunctions as routine. they are trained and retrained to keep calm, observe and record the errors and problem solve for years. they absolutely do not lose their shit when things go sideways. its almost boring the way they conduct their work, if you take away the sheer danger they put themselves in. the apollo astronauts were handpicked and were the absolute best from even that elite group. which is why this scene and many more are here, so that we as ordinary people can relate to the danger they were in. be clear, a regular human CANNOT relate to the way these guys are in stressful situations.
Even the astronaut corps is still human, as evidenced by the Lisa Nowak case. She flipped her lid very publicly, though thankfully she was still on Earth when that happened.
@@Mazryonh yes fair point. Although hers was a very rare anomaly situation.
@@adityaakaul Clearly, either NASA didn't psychologically screen her enough, or anyone (NASA astronauts included) can crack and flip one's lid given enough pressure. Add in a toxic amount of CO2 impairing your better judgment, and you have a potentially explosive situation in a very small space.
Fred's "HEY!!!!" makes me laugh 😂😂😂😂😂
Jack rolls and floats through the ship with no problems....
Tries to stand up and hits his head 😂
Well, the CO2 was starting to get to them
3 lead actors all together. Amazing
Great acting between the three in this scene.
Kevin Bacon was phenomenal in this scene
"The astronauts never had a verbal confrontation with each other. They settled their differences with an intense zero-G slapping competition" - Buzz Lightyear, probably
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My favorite line in the entire movie " I can add"
Fortunately as the computer broke down. The analog world is still the real world.
Haha I've seen this movie literally 50 times and I only came to this video because I wanted to make a point to someone who was questioning me: "I can add. . ."
Bill Paxton giving off a little bit of that Hudson energy.
It's game over man it's game OvEr!
I love this scene so much.
What's interesting is Jack was right. Later on control mentions they're still shallow in the reentry corridor.... and Gene asks "is there anything we can do about it?" no. "Then they dont need to know."
I think You are Mixing scenes. They asked them to move some Ballast from the LEM before they left it to correct their trajectory since they were supposed to have been carrying a few hundred pounds of moon rocks. The "They don't need to know" scene was the Hurricane developing at the edge of the recovery zone (we actually see it in a shot as they begin reentry).
@@jonjohns8145 I was talking about a little before reentry when the guy said "Dean, we're still shallowing up in the reentry corridor." Dean says "is there anything we can do about?" "no" "then they don't need to know."
Jack was right because earlier he had said "if there was a problem and no way to fix it, do you think they would tell us? There's no reason to tell us!" And Fred responds with "What do you mean they wouldn't tell us? That's bullshit."
I know it's a small thing but little details like that always bug me for some reason.
@@Winterborn5 Gene not Dean
@@HPYT01 oops. thanks.
1:44 "THIS IS NOT MY FAULT!!!"
I feel sure that one of the reasons they survived is that these guys were complete professionals - steely-eyed missile men, in fact. They calmly and methodically worked the problems, if they weren't that type, they wouldn't have been there. But, yeah, I understand Ron Howard needed some drama.
Such a great movie
Most of the time in non-Toy Story Tom Hanks films I don't hear Woody at all. This scene though when he raises his voice if I close my eyes I can picture Woody saying it. Kinda cool
To be fair, Jack did what houston told him to do.
Exactly. But Fred was being a jerk to him for no apparent reason at all, and I never liked it.
@@ThomasLover-fr8nhfirstly this scene never happened irl they never had any moment like this, but in fake freddo’s defense he was running a fever and had a uti, I’d be cranky too lol
I love this film and I was waiting for the time when it would be used as a training exercise for project management or task based activities.
Too bad NASA ignored the lessons that should have come out of Challenger.
"There are 1000 things that need to happen in order, your talking about number 647 and we are at number 8"
ARE WE ON VOX??
Voice Operated Xmit (transmit). It means when anyone talks, the radio transmits what they say. They obviously didn't want Houston to hear their conversation.
Houston, after being torn a new asshole by Lovell: "Aquarius, this is Houston... uh, Jim, you have a hot mic... we are reading everything you say."
Oops.
@@markmellon3727 love that scene!
Francisco Ferreira WILSON?!? ARE WE ON VOX?!?
@@markmellon3727 lesson number one. If you got a microphone in front of you, treat it like it's hot. Because it usually is...
Lmao loudly "DID THEY JUST HEAR US?!??"
softly "hello Huston" 😂😂
I don't think anyone blamed Jack for what happened. They didn't know at the time that the wires were going to short out. They couldn't have known
I like to think this happened cause of the Co2 levels rising, which causes impaired judgement etc. They're the equivalent of drunk at this point. I know it didn't happen in real life but makes a good explanation for it happening in the film
In the movie - Quite likely! In reality, they never had a fight like that!
Yes I thought that too.
Same. Lack of breathable oxygen could cause that to happen.
"Yeah Houston go ahead" 😂
"this is not my fault", "no one's saying it is" EXACTLY, EVERYBODY KNOWS ACCIDENTS HAPPEN, NO ONE'S TO BLAME
Exactly! And for those still desperate for one individual to blame, do the research and redirect your passion from Swifert to somebody else, because it truly wasn't his fault in reality either!
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01:26 when you got to deal with people in the office that get on your nerves so badly.
MOM, YOU SERIOUSLY NEED TO LISTEN TO WHAT HE'S SAYING FROM 1:55-TO-2:03!!!!!!
I know officially this argument didnt happen, but I wouldn't be shocked if all 3 played cleanup on what happened up there to make sure nobody looked bad in the end
I'd be pretty shocked. I doubt 3 extreme nerds did anything other than silently shit their pants and do everything they could to stay alive. Definitely were not bickering or wondering who fucked what up and arguing about it.
Damm.. that was so deep 🤝
"😡😡😡😡😡😡😡. Yeah Houston. This is Aquarius. Go ahead."
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I use both of these great lines in my life. "Because I can add; There is a thousand things that need to happen, we are on 8."
Do you add "You‘re talking about number 692." to the end?
"you think they're gonna tell us?!"
lol, talk about trust in the system. Gene Kranz said, "... tell me this isn't a government operation?!" - this applies right here.
I know this scene never happened in real life as they were perfectly professional keeping a level head at any time, but it's not at all an unrealistic scenario. We are talking about humans, not robots, who were facing a low chance of surviving their mission. They were under immense pressure, they were waiting forever to get their re-entry procedures, they hadn't slept in 40hrs, they were trapped in a tiny freezer at that point, and to make matters worse, they were on a certain amount of CO2, whose effects can be similar to those of drugs at a certain dose. So it would've been a fairly normal reaction if they had started fighting and blaming one-another for this shitty situation (even though neither of them was responsible), just to let off steam for a short moment.
just to clarify the CO2 comment, it induces hypoxia due to lack of oxygen, which causes euphoria, which is an effect of many illegal (and some legal) drugs.
Movies need to convey emotion and drama or else they wouldn’t be good movies. Sometimes added tension is inserted so the viewer understands. For example if you hear the transcript of the famous line “Houston we have a problem” was said very cool calm and collected. NASA is always about solving problems, sometimes unforeseen. But viewers probably haven’t experienced something like this but NASA and astronauts are very well trained to deal with problems under pressure.
1:30
One of my favorite scenes
Kevin Bacon was amazing in this film
5/11/24
"This is not my fault!!"
accidents happen, nobody's to blame
Wouldn't the gauges read normal?
The stir caused the problem, Jack was following orders. Fredo looked right in Jack's face and told him the obvious. Honestly. I would of blown up alot harder.
During the real-life Apollo 13 disaster, the gauge actually read "off-scale high."
I put the blame on the ecomm person, if you watch earlier in the movie, when they tell Jack to stir the tanks, they show a shot of the guy with a confused look on his face, looking at the screen, just before Jack hits the switch, he should have said, stop! Not sure why, if he did see something, why he didn't say something.
THIS IS NO ONE'S FAULT!!!!
exactly, accidents just happen, nobody's to blame, simple as that
ARE WE ON VOX?! 😂
Apollo 13 is now on Fox?! 😂
Good scene, but from what I understand, it was overdramatized. They weren't at each other's throats and did not get so irrational as depicted here.
How you figured that?
I can add.
Me: Bravo Hollywood, I think this shows how your thinking goes.
Though a great scene, those two lines truly depict the shallowness and self-involvement of those in the industry. There's NASA and then there's Hollywood.
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Would have been interesting if Kevin Costner had been give the lead,Hanks was great though.
Never go on a trip with Tom Hanks
So this is when it actually IS rocket science
Lovell (Hanks) didn't take responsibility for performing the cryo stir, all he was saying is that had he been the one sitting there taking the call he would have done the same thing, so there was no sense in Swigert beating himself up over it.
It's not meant to be taken literally. You understand?
I can’t believe someone needs to be explained this.
I'm hearing a lot of Val arguing with Hudson in this scene
When my wife and I make last minute changes and add a day to our Alaska trip we had planned months in advance....
I learned that it didn't happen during the actual mission, and I would completely understand how the other astronauts must feel towards Swigert knowing that he stirred the tanks, but I still hate how Haise especially gets angry with and blaming him for the crisis when all he was doing was following orders from Mission Control.
i think we all know nothing like this happened but you need tension and drama because that's entertaining. if these guys are just cool unflappable professionals through the whole movie that's not very interesting. if they're always calm and not worried about anything then why should the audience be? it's not a documentary it's a movie. most people know the difference. what matters is they got the spirit of the story correct. and i think they did,
I understand why this scene was put in - it does add drama and tension which I am sure they would have been feeling - ie, it is a very 'human' scene but in reality, it didn't happen. I imagine having strong rapport with colleagues is a central aspect of astronaut training - not good to have animosity in an enclosed space in those conditions
Lots of people are pointing out how in real life the astronauts remained calm but I would go a step further and say if anything they found some humor, razzing each other like old school buddies. If this happened on Apollo 12, I can imagine one of them being nicknamed "Tank Destroyer".
Why is it when Tom Hanks gets angry in any scene he's in its hysterical
Even some of the most depressing scenes in Saving Private Ryan and Castaway can be hilarious because Tom sounds like an angry dad getting increasingly miffed.
Made me chuckle, your so right haha
KnightofFunnyJunk When he gets aids in Philadelphia it’s hilarious.
Because he's America's dad. . . just like. . . Oh god. . . Cosby?
I have not thought about it much, but he does has a knack for projecting it well anyone can relate and thus it's hilarious. Every movie he gets hot like that, it comes across like he's really angry but in a controlled manner, perfectly in control over what emotions he projects to the audience. Have to wonder if he's acting or that's somewhat a psychopathic behavior too in a way. For many that would take practice I'd imagine.
Cause he started out doing comedies first and his scream and yelling was always hilarious it makes ya even laugh when he is in a serious film.
Kevin Costner would have been good in the Lovell role.
The real Kevin Bacon would have come up with a plan to pole vault home on some residual space boulders.
This didn't happen but you NEED this scene for the audience.
If it wasn't there you'd have a billion people watching it going "I would have kicked Swagger's ass if that was me up there." 🤣
So you HAVE to address the notion of someone thinking it was Swagger's fault.
Astronauts are just as human as the rest of us. Just look at the Lisa Nowak affair. She, in so many words, very publicly flipped her lid, though that was while she was still on Earth.
some dude's hand is visibe in lower left corner at 0:15
This film needs to changed to a horror film now. That was terrifying.
It's a glove, not a hand.
bro...lol
Its a hand, filming those weightless scenes in the Vomit Comet with the set piece made for very tight spaces, that guy probably thought he wouldn't get seen.
Good observation
1:15
Its lucky this never happened in reality.. but im sure Jack was probably angry with himself. Had he not flipped those switches, maybe things wouldve been different.. but in reality it was a ticking time bomb no matter what.. until it actually happened
0:15 WHO ELSE IS ON THIS SHIP 😱
1:15 I laughed so hard
Fred's "HEY!!!!!!" had me cracking up
I can add
1:15 😂
1:26-1:55 Fred and Jack are behaving like two little kids in daycare by bickering about what the guage was reading before Jack flipped the switch to stir the cryo tanks. Jack only did what Huston told him to do, but Fred is being a jerk to him for no reason and accusing him like he's some kind of idiot who can't fly the ship properly.
Yeah true, it was really stupid to put the blame on him and argue about it, I'm glad cooler heads prevailed and they made up, later in the movie, towards the end, Fred says to Jack, way to go Jack, when he turns the switch on, when the command module is frozen.
@@Mrd9960 It's a good thing that argument never happened in real life, because astronauts are cool, calm and level-headed professionals who know what to do in bad situations. The last thing they need is a breakup in teamwork.
I feel bad for jack how was he supposed to know not to ster the tanks
He was ordered to stir the tanks. But this was all drama and it didn't happen in real life
These arguments were very likely dramatized for this movie, but there is no way Lovell, Haise and Swigert didn't butt heads at some point or another during the mission if only out of venting or frustration.
No way they did as they didn't.
Astronauts go through rigorous psychological training at the NASA base before any launch. They are given mock problems to solve if something goes wrong, and the one thing they are taught never to do is accuse a fellow astronaut even if one them makes a mistake. They are told to work the problem not create confrontation, in such a stressful environment the last thing you want is guilt or blame, I highly doubt any of them would lose their temper it would be highly unethical and unprofessional.
@@maragathm roger that
@@StevenCarinci they might have
@@kbanghart Except when they were shown the film they all objected to that and other melodramatic changes.
Jack was right about them keeping information from them like at the end with the crack in the heat shield.
"There anything they can do about it?"
"No."
"Then they don't need to know."
Was it a Ford POS?
the pause at 2'14" is it
2:00
1:17 close your eyes and yell think it’s Tom not bill
" the ship is coming in too fast. they are lying to us because they know we cannot reverse it" " no they are no lying to us" "yes they are" "so what do you want us to do?" " I dont know" "so ......? " What a stupid aimless conversation.
ребята, не будем ссориться
мы облетели Луну
об этом менчтает каждый школьник
Google translation:
“guys, let's not fight
we flew around the moon every schoolboy thinks about it”
Jeez, Haise was such a jerk to Swigert when he accused him of the oxygen tank accident.
Fred is right. What were the gauges reading before jack did the stir.
It wouldn't show, know one new that the thermostat was a dud even before the crew was assigned. It wouldn't show. Besides, Jack wouldn't need to check. No one expected a crap thermostat on the spacecraft. Jack did what he was supposed to do, stir the dang tanks.
They were reading 80F. Because that was the highest they would read, and also the point where the thermostat would kick over. Its estimated the temperature in the tank was over 900F (yes, thats a pair of zeros and no decimal) before it popped.
Additionally, it wasn't a 'crap' thermostat. They changed the ground procedures such that the heating system would run on 63vdc on the ground, as opposed to the 24vdc it would run in the air, to heat the tanks faster. The manufacturer changed out the fans and heater elements to be dual voltage capable, but left a 24vdc thermostat in the mix. When the thermostat tripped on the ground as part of a high temperature boiloff procedure, it arced and welded itself closed.
Doesn't matter. Houston told him to stir the tanks.
Why does it matter? The need to stir the tanks was so they could get an accurate reading
Either way, Fred was such a jerk to Jack. Why did he blame him for an accident he didn't know of?
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2:09, just like nothing ever happened...
1:16
1:15 for the silly sound
For a movie that did such a great job with the realism of the technical aspects of 1970 space travel, the yelling and screaming between the astronauts is really jarringly unrealistic. Yes, I get that it's a "movie."
Because you know that never happened in this mission, or you think it's not likely they'd flip on each other as professionals? When you have one problem after another I can see it happening...
Its both- the people who are selected to go into space are carefully selected for a reason- they are incredibly focused, professional, and team-oriented even in the face of a crisis. In addition, if you listen to the original recordings of the mission after the explosion occurred, you can hear how steady and controlled these guys are even then. Its quite impressive.
Tom Mulroy III They just had to add some drama for the audience, everything else was based entirely off the actual mission.
Yes, of course you are absolutely right about that. I just feel (and I understand I may be in the minority) that the actual events were dramatic enough, and the more realistic you make it, the more invested you get in the movie. But I guess many people feel that it would be "boring" without the fake drama of the astronauts fighting in space.
it didnt happened in this mission.. and Swigert was not an unsecure rookie neither did Fred Haise had any animosity towards him.
Their hair isn't moving
None of this really happened
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