Scar wasn't a villain, scar was a suffering from reapeated trauma after being thrown at the vipers as an expendable suicide craft over and over. Scar is literally scared and moulded and twisted by both reapeated deaths and it's expendable nature.
@@JeanLucCaptain I mean despite his origins, he can still be a Villain, some of the best Villains are characters with a complex and sympathetic backstory. But maybe antagonist is the more appropriate word.
While this episode was most likely a direct copy of Galactica 1980 ,the only good ep where Starbuck repairs the crashed Cylon pilot "cy" alone on the planet they help each other by rebuilding 1 ship out of the 2 crashed ships. So Moore only changed a few things,same story.
Scar should have remained until the very end of the series. Possibly he and the other Raiders taken part of the insurrection against the humanoid Cylons who were lobotomizing the other Raiders.
Yes. I didn't know the Raiders could use the resurrection ships to download and regen. Resurrection greatly extends the learning ability, starting over with a fresh body / ship - smarter, and stronger every time...
One of the best episodes. We learned so very little about the actual cylons and this was just amazing. Putting faces on the fighters that people would assume are remote controlled or just tools is great. Really was interesting to see these machines to achieve intelligence to free themselves from humanity and make a pact with the final five just to be enslaved by the fleshy cylons. I really would have loved to see a deleted scene or something that showed what the last surviving cylons did after their ship jumped away from Earth 2.
As the old saying goes, "War is hell." ... And it very much is. I love that both sides are shown to have the mental and emotional toll is taken on both sides. In the way they show Scar, you can understand the overwhelming impact of numerous battles and that there is more to the Cylons than just mindless machines. I really enjoy your videos. Thank you for all your work to make these.
I loved this episode and the Space above & beyond 2 episode "Angriest Angel" arc featuring a similar setting with a lone vehicle decimating the fleet to a Stand Still. Both were excellent in the depiction of a dangerous antagonist. That puts so much fear into a pilot they freeze and almost forget their training. Muscle memory out the cockpit...! While the latter was a previous iteration the former was down right spine tingling like you felt like a Viper pilot watching it. I'm not going out there while that thing is out there. ChiggyVonRichtoven & SCAR were cinematic twins or Clones...!
This series makes me want to have a very high quality "Wing Commander" series, that closely follows the lore and story (starting pre WC1, with first contact with the Kilrathi fleet versus Tiger's Claw) then moving on thru to the end of the Kilrathi Saga. It would make an absolute kick-A&& series. This Scar episode really brings me back to the time I played the game on my computer trying to outwit the enemy ace fighters without losing my wingman (Kara and the other lady in this case). Oh BSG, how do I miss you. That show was insipiring. I want more fleet battle like that, but maybe not when humanity is nearly extinct.
Yeah I loved Wing Commander too, me and a couple of friends all taking turns on one pc to complete the missions, you die next guy takes over... played a couple of star wars x-wing games like that too, but Wing Commander was better...
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I think the Scar story arc was my favourite one from the entire series... I know; Unpopular opinion, but I think it encompasses the whole show in a single arc.
The fact that scar has battle damage means it has not down loaded into a new ship for a long time . All that it has learned is from one life time of experience. Perhaps raiders only download their experience and new tactics when they download and not their original personalities . Scar is afraid to die so it takes a more cautious approach to battle not just jumping in like Leroy Jenkins.
While a more primal version of Cylons, I would be interested to know if some of the first Sparrow type raiders were resurrected versions of the centurions that flew or commanded the war era raiders? It is a shame we can't verify whether Scar is/was the Raider in "You can't go home again". It would both confirm why he has more experience, and hatred for the Colonials.. anyone who took on Starbuck for any length of time will have learnt things that will help them next time around if they were lucky (or unlucky, depending on your point of view) enough to have a next time. It is a shame we did not see more individual personality traits start coming from more raiders, but we can't cover everything in a TV show.
In the final fight to rescue Hera, the rebel 'centurions' working with the colonials used 'hand/arm' commands in combat, like 'human' soldiers--a detail I found very interesting.
@@nickmitsialis.. yes. Very interesting, especially as there seemed to be either some form of radio or telepathic communication prior to that. I guess they will have been taught that so they could effectively communicate with the Colonial Marines
It's also a horrifying thought. Imagine being a cylon centurion, but upon your next resurrection you wake up in a body that is essentially a metal prison, kept in a cage until they let you loose to fight and likely die against viper pilots, over and over again. Absolute torture.
Great video! The look at the Vipor pilots and what they endure in this episode makes it one of my favorites. Starbuck's toast to the fallen at the end always hits me. The banter and competition between Kara and Kat is great, and you realize it made Kat a better and better pilot. You think Starbuck is going to kill Scar at the end, but the payoff how the set him up is fantastic.
Starbuck's toast hits me every time. The first time I saw the episode, I thought she was trying to take the steam out of Kat's sails at first, but then I remembered the line earlier about how it was becoming harder to remember the names and faces of the pilots who had fallen. It's Starbuck's way of both honoring the fallen, and reminding everyone in the room, herself included, what the real cost of the war is. Funny thing, the Scar episode takes a lot of flak on the BSG subreddit, but I thought it was a pretty well thought-out episode, especially for what was basically "filler". It still has an impact in the overall story arc, especially for Kat (not my favorite character, but she redeems herself well, IMO)
I always thought of Scar as the Manfred von Richthofen of the Cylon fleet. It was an extraordinarily skilled fighter that notched a LOT of Viper kills in its long career, and scragged a lot of good pilots (whom Kara paid a beautiful tribute to at the end). But just like von Richthofen, war weariness started to catch up with it. Richthofen died from a cheap rifle shot from the peanut gallery when the toll of war finally became too much for him. I think Scar ended the same way - it got so war-weary it got careless and sluggish, and was eventually killed by, yep, a cheap shot that it normally never would have run into. Normally, he would have been sent back to the Resurrection Ship for R&R for a while, but since the Colonials had destroyed it earlier... It's pure headcanon, but I imagine that in its final moments, Scar would have been feeling... relief, that the war was finally over for it.
Love these little BSG lore vids, your filling in all the info dump parts wjile keeping it interesting. I can't wait to see the new series & how it's presented. Please keep these coming, much appreciated!
I liked the episode however i think they could have used his character for another few episodes, creatin emotion for him or the other side at least. This is a brilliant insite into the best series upto yet. Thank you.
What happened with that raider in the first season, I think I remember they flew it back to a Cylon base star? OR Something similar,why it could be later scar?
[I wrote this while watching the video and actually wrote the next bit before you got to the mining station part. Those are my words that just happened to turn out to be the same as yours. So I definitely already agreed with your interpretation]⤵️ I somehow got the impression that Scar was the Raider that Starbuck dissected after crash landing.
The angel messenger ultimately had no problem using the raider to get home. We knew that only Starbuck would have pulled it off but maybe there was something more to the how and why.
Thanks nick and elaine , great subject. I loved in that episode they used the John Williams ( the deer hunter) music at the end. Good video, art was very good again.
I like the thought but the AI had likely already been transferred out of the Raider she wrote back in\on, that's why the ship was functional but not reactive. If the shell was empty it couldn't have taught it's AI any lessons on survival
It could have been like a lobotomy. Damaged brain, but not to the point of death so he didn't resurrect until the body was destroyed, thus carrying over the memories of that time being controlled.
This episode is basically filler but they used that time to almost humanize the raiders that before this episode you never really even considered the raiders were anything more than a weapons platform while highlighting the terror the viper pilots feel everyday the shoot out the side of the battlestar. Man the writing for this show was on another level, I wish we could have TV shows like this again. This was the golden age of television when shows were venturing away from sitcoms in to deep thought provaking shows like the sopranos, breaking bad, the wire, battlestar galatica, now besides a few stand outs it's all woke bullshit
Since i first saw the Series first time, i found it a bit lacluster that they focussed so much on the personal drama insted of the military/tactical situation. For example the very comcept of the ressurecting raiders could have opened a whole different kind of threat to Galactica and the fleet. In the fist season the Raiders could have been just cannon fodder and while the series progresses the Raiders should have become more of a threat with every year. So while the fleet looses Pilots on a regular basis, the Cylon Raider could have become more and more dangerous until they are way superior compared to a rookie Viper pilot at the end of the series.
So basically, the more these Cylon Raiders last, the stronger they grow due to +exp gain. Presumably once such an AI dogfights against someone like Starbuck - and survives to analyze the engagement a couple times -- the Cylons gain air superiority, which is essentially game over. Even with the long list of Hollywood movies that deal with the AI destroying the world theme, who doubts that the first company ABLE to create the AI singularity...WILL do so?
This episode and character so bring home that our enemies in war suffer just as we do. Hate war just as we do. Feel pain and rage just as we do. Are subjected and subjugated just as we are for the machinations of the powerful. Scar is a tragically beautiful distillation of what war does to the mind. We send people (or in this case an animal) off to protect our way of life, turn a blind eye to the horrors and atrocities they must commit just to survive, and we shame them and try them for war crimes because we were too lazy to find a better solution. And when someone like the Cylons, or Hitler, or Putin come for us it’s because we turned a blind eye, all of us on both sides, on all sides, are responsible for letting someone like them lose on the world. The truly dangerous are just as much our fault as theirs. Scar is the dog of war.
@@shanenolan8252 The Farm, it’s my long weekend off work this weekend so I’ll be burning through it lol. Don’t really have a favourite episode ( it’s all good ) but have so many favourite moments.
I really hope the new bsg that their supposedly making does this series justice. Hope they have good writers that don't turn it into crap like alot of the movies tv series they have out. I really liked this bsg series they made. I really couldn't tell you how many times I've gone back and watched it again. I'm guessing 5 or 6 times. Seems to get shorter every time. Thanks
"Hope they don't turn it into crap like alot of the movies tv series they have out".... You mean like they did with the original when they brought this out making Starbuck a woman?
@@redlioness6627 no, like they did with terminators TV show from the movie and others just like it. Why would you follow me around like a puppy? I thought you were a Korean woman on her period. Now I can see your an American woman on her period. Much worse. You have a bad temper, and a potty mouth. At least your cordial now.
@@redlioness6627 that was not the original. The original bsg came out around the time of buck Roger's. I couldn't remember much of it as I was pretty young so I tried watching it again. It was way too hoky (cringy) for me. And yes your right when Starbuck first came out of the new series I was pissed that the changed the character into a woman. But she played her part very well. And as the series rolled on I got used to it. Did you know alot of our fighter pilots are women? They can take more GeForce than males can. They made a point of telling Iraq they were just bombed by a woman. That tickled me enormously.
I was hoping to see updated versions of cylons like Lucifer. I like the idea of a break away branch of cylons that reject the idea of humanity, and the cylons having human bodies, and would have themselves go under a procedure to graft a new casing on these cylons. Though to be fair, the machine uprising is a bit played out, I would rather see the cylons as an alien species like in the original series. Idk, they both have their interesting elements
So, they're mining to make more vipers, but they lost so many vipers to Scar, was it worth it? Also how many vipers did they make/use before sending the fleet into the sun?
Pegasus is able to create Viper Mark VIIb. Which is simplified Viper Mark VIIa which Galactica had. They mostly lost old Viper Mark II while guarding mining ships. These Vipers are much older. After Pegasus joined fleet mk.II became considered as tertiary craft.
I don't believe it was ever confirmed that Raiders had pain receptors. Nervous system? Yes. But considering how advanced Cylon tech was, I highly doubt they'd hinder their primary craft with being able to feel pain.
An excellent video. I had forgotten almost everything about Scar, having watched the whole series more than five years ago. On a side note; I never really like that the humanoid Cylon warriors were all referred to as 'Centurion'. In a Roman legion a centurion, as the name suggests, commanded about 100 legionnaires, nominally, though it was often less. It would make sense that the commander of an original Raider be a Centurion, much like Sargeants today command tanks, but he would have two 'ordinary' machines acting, perhaps as pilot and weapons operator or a Radar Intercept Officer, or perhaps a countermeasures operator. Oh well, food for fan fiction.
When Scar is resurrected I believe he gets a new body. Then he will accumulate battle damage over time with that new body until he dies again. I don't know that they would resurrect him in a chassis and replicate the same damage
@@NerdCookies Good point, I need more coffee for the old grey CPU. However it could be he racks up scars fast like a 'fight first' guy, and once the resurection ship is down he runs out of that option and accululates injuries quick. Btw love the ch, the cute voice is always good to listen to. Not making a pass or anything, just like the voice.
I think I brought it out in the video that the nearby resurrection ship was destroyed before these events. That's why the raiders were using guerilla tactics instead of an all out assault.
@@NerdCookies At first distance was not a problem. When Galactica had to re arm in that dust cloud, cylons were blocked some how. Then later in the series it became only 1 resurection ship. What about the planet where they hail from. It was not destroyed. Must be many facilities there.
@@jeffglenn7609 Resurrection facilities existed on the Cylon Homeworld, but it was out of range. Also, all resurrection was controlled by the Resurrection Hub, an independant, continually relocating facility that also could store the consciousnesses of entire lines of Cylon.
@@DavidLemmo They already infiltrated the 12 colonies before the war. Cylons were so far away the colonials didn't know their location. No problem then. So writing evolved to fit story. Clearly a problem.
Scar doesn't deserve the sympathy. It deserves respect for the warning it represents. Its Apathy. Scar is the foil and counter to the Viper pilots, namely PeeBee who is looking for self fulfillment and glory to one up Starbuck. Starbuck herself is also a target of Scar's philosophical existence. Scar itself (may not be a he at all... hell it may even have pronouns lol jk) it's barely more than a machine still. It's bioengineered and digitally programmed BOTH to fight enemies of the Cylon and to survive at all costs. It has a very simple purpose and is in every sense, still a drone. There for, it is not capable to tame Scar like you could a dog. There is no way to domesticated something thar genetically force with the disposition to kill you. What Scar does is reflect on the Viper Pilots themselves and their PTSD or War weariness. It reminds us how the horrors of war can lobotomize you, reduce you to a primal state and make you ... in-human. The lesson of Scar is fully realized in that episode when Starbuck's quietly congratulated PeeBee, but then solemnly turns around and toasts to the ones Scar and other like it, have killed... reminding PeeBee of what's truly important... our humanity. Scar doesn't care if it's kin dies. All it cares is that it survives to kill the pre-programmed enemies of the Cylons. We can call that programming 'hatred', but the important thing to note is Scar's lack of empathy for it's fellow Cylons. There is no sympathy. Just Apathy for the Colonials. That's all that drives it. It's a warning to those who fight, a reminder to remember why you're fighting - it's not for the glory, it's for the ones you love. The ones you've lost. And you hope to hell that the fighting stops so you don't lose anyone else. That is the fundamental difference between the human combatants and the Cylon drones... the Humanity.
BSG wasted the Pegasus that ship should have never been destroyed, imagine if the Pegasus had a program virus to stop a Cylon ship and first-generation shield technology.
@@keithaipperspach5967 no that happened after Starbuck captured the Raider in Season 1. I am wondering whether scar is the downloaded brain from the raider she shot down and captured in Season 1.
I remember the episode when it first came out. Scar is about PTSD and War. The episode was too real. This is coming from a US Army Vet. Cheers!
Scar was one of those characters you just want to know more about and can’t help but love - for me, the perfect test of a great villain.
Scar wasn't a villain, scar was a suffering from reapeated trauma after being thrown at the vipers as an expendable suicide craft over and over. Scar is literally scared and moulded and twisted by both reapeated deaths and it's expendable nature.
@@JeanLucCaptain I mean despite his origins, he can still be a Villain, some of the best Villains are characters with a complex and sympathetic backstory. But maybe antagonist is the more appropriate word.
@@JeanLucCaptain Which turned him into a villain. One that took that pain and focused it on the colonial fleet making him a villain.
While this episode was most likely a direct copy of Galactica 1980 ,the only good ep where Starbuck repairs the crashed Cylon pilot "cy" alone on the planet they help each other by rebuilding 1 ship out of the 2 crashed ships. So Moore only changed a few things,same story.
@@JeanLucCaptain he was a villain , he was a cheater in battles so he had very few fair fights . He was a basically Osama bin Laden of space
I prefer the older ship designs, but the new version's biomechanical resurrecting Cylon pilots are a lot scarier.
yeah they are cause the old style units die and that's it the bio-mechanical units get smarter and smarter over time each time they die
same
THAT'S the idea mate! The old 1s were kinda goofy and comical! The new 1s are made to be taken as a serious threat that can improve over lifetimes!
Scar should have remained until the very end of the series. Possibly he and the other Raiders taken part of the insurrection against the humanoid Cylons who were lobotomizing the other Raiders.
Totally agree considering is ability to learn, I say they come to realise that humans are less of a treat then 13 hybrids are.
Yes. I didn't know the Raiders could use the resurrection ships to download and regen. Resurrection greatly extends the learning ability, starting over with a fresh body / ship - smarter, and stronger every time...
One of the best episodes. We learned so very little about the actual cylons and this was just amazing. Putting faces on the fighters that people would assume are remote controlled or just tools is great. Really was interesting to see these machines to achieve intelligence to free themselves from humanity and make a pact with the final five just to be enslaved by the fleshy cylons. I really would have loved to see a deleted scene or something that showed what the last surviving cylons did after their ship jumped away from Earth 2.
As the old saying goes, "War is hell." ... And it very much is. I love that both sides are shown to have the mental and emotional toll is taken on both sides. In the way they show Scar, you can understand the overwhelming impact of numerous battles and that there is more to the Cylons than just mindless machines.
I really enjoy your videos. Thank you for all your work to make these.
I loved this episode and the Space above & beyond 2 episode "Angriest Angel" arc featuring a similar setting with a lone vehicle decimating the fleet to a Stand Still. Both were excellent in the depiction of a dangerous antagonist. That puts so much fear into a pilot they freeze and almost forget their training. Muscle memory out the cockpit...!
While the latter was a previous iteration the former was down right spine tingling like you felt like a Viper pilot watching it.
I'm not going out there while that thing is out there.
ChiggyVonRichtoven & SCAR were cinematic twins or Clones...!
This series makes me want to have a very high quality "Wing Commander" series, that closely follows the lore and story (starting pre WC1, with first contact with the Kilrathi fleet versus Tiger's Claw) then moving on thru to the end of the Kilrathi Saga. It would make an absolute kick-A&& series. This Scar episode really brings me back to the time I played the game on my computer trying to outwit the enemy ace fighters without losing my wingman (Kara and the other lady in this case).
Oh BSG, how do I miss you. That show was insipiring. I want more fleet battle like that, but maybe not when humanity is nearly extinct.
Wing Commander was inspired by Larry Nivens Man-Kzin Wars stories set in the Known Universe series.Enjoyed the couple games I played years ago.
Yeah I loved Wing Commander too, me and a couple of friends all taking turns on one pc to complete the missions, you die next guy takes over... played a couple of star wars x-wing games like that too, but Wing Commander was better...
I think the Scar story arc was my favourite one from the entire series... I know; Unpopular opinion, but I think it encompasses the whole show in a single arc.
I totally agree. Starbucks arch was awesome in the episode.
Scar was the Red Baron of the Cylons
Ronald d Moore is a genius! A GENIUS! Thank 😊 you Ronald for your vision of Battlestar Galactica.
This is a beautiful video on Scar and the relationship between the raiders, Cylons and the colonials. Well done!
Thanks Script!
The fact that scar has battle damage means it has not down loaded into a new ship for a long time . All that it has learned is from one life time of experience. Perhaps raiders only download their experience and new tactics when they download and not their original personalities . Scar is afraid to die so it takes a more cautious approach to battle not just jumping in like Leroy Jenkins.
This episode was pure hell for us to do in VFX.
While a more primal version of Cylons, I would be interested to know if some of the first Sparrow type raiders were resurrected versions of the centurions that flew or commanded the war era raiders? It is a shame we can't verify whether Scar is/was the Raider in "You can't go home again". It would both confirm why he has more experience, and hatred for the Colonials.. anyone who took on Starbuck for any length of time will have learnt things that will help them next time around if they were lucky (or unlucky, depending on your point of view) enough to have a next time. It is a shame we did not see more individual personality traits start coming from more raiders, but we can't cover everything in a TV show.
In the final fight to rescue Hera, the rebel 'centurions' working with the colonials used 'hand/arm' commands in combat, like 'human' soldiers--a detail I found very interesting.
@@nickmitsialis.. yes. Very interesting, especially as there seemed to be either some form of radio or telepathic communication prior to that. I guess they will have been taught that so they could effectively communicate with the Colonial Marines
It's also a horrifying thought. Imagine being a cylon centurion, but upon your next resurrection you wake up in a body that is essentially a metal prison, kept in a cage until they let you loose to fight and likely die against viper pilots, over and over again. Absolute torture.
Great video! The look at the Vipor pilots and what they endure in this episode makes it one of my favorites. Starbuck's toast to the fallen at the end always hits me. The banter and competition between Kara and Kat is great, and you realize it made Kat a better and better pilot. You think Starbuck is going to kill Scar at the end, but the payoff how the set him up is fantastic.
Agreed 😊
Starbuck's toast hits me every time. The first time I saw the episode, I thought she was trying to take the steam out of Kat's sails at first, but then I remembered the line earlier about how it was becoming harder to remember the names and faces of the pilots who had fallen. It's Starbuck's way of both honoring the fallen, and reminding everyone in the room, herself included, what the real cost of the war is. Funny thing, the Scar episode takes a lot of flak on the BSG subreddit, but I thought it was a pretty well thought-out episode, especially for what was basically "filler". It still has an impact in the overall story arc, especially for Kat (not my favorite character, but she redeems herself well, IMO)
I always thought of Scar as the Manfred von Richthofen of the Cylon fleet. It was an extraordinarily skilled fighter that notched a LOT of Viper kills in its long career, and scragged a lot of good pilots (whom Kara paid a beautiful tribute to at the end). But just like von Richthofen, war weariness started to catch up with it. Richthofen died from a cheap rifle shot from the peanut gallery when the toll of war finally became too much for him. I think Scar ended the same way - it got so war-weary it got careless and sluggish, and was eventually killed by, yep, a cheap shot that it normally never would have run into. Normally, he would have been sent back to the Resurrection Ship for R&R for a while, but since the Colonials had destroyed it earlier...
It's pure headcanon, but I imagine that in its final moments, Scar would have been feeling... relief, that the war was finally over for it.
Love these little BSG lore vids, your filling in all the info dump parts wjile keeping it interesting. I can't wait to see the new series & how it's presented. Please keep these coming, much appreciated!
Loved that episode, scar should have had more air time
I liked the episode however i think they could have used his character for another few episodes, creatin emotion for him or the other side at least. This is a brilliant insite into the best series upto yet. Thank you.
Scar after every death: I'll be back!
SCAR: A Battlestar Galactica Story
It would be cool to see his origin story.
It never occurred to me that it could be the same raider from the S1 episode. It's a cool idea.
What happened with that raider in the first season, I think I remember they flew it back to a Cylon base star? OR Something similar,why it could be later scar?
Loved that episode. The picture you show of scar in the. Projector room was my Facebook photo for years.
The Scar episode is one of my favorites.......
He short circuited when the water sacks kept calling him a toaster.
Thanks, BSG is one of the most impressive TV show on earth.
Thanks for reviewing one of my Favorite BSG episodes! Can't wait for more from you on the Orville and the newer Star Tek series!
I had derived at the same theory as yours as to Scars origins. Thinks for sharing that thought.
Yay!!! You made a video about my favorite Raider!!! ❤️❤️❤️
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[I wrote this while watching the video and actually wrote the next bit before you got to the mining station part. Those are my words that just happened to turn out to be the same as yours. So I definitely already agreed with your interpretation]⤵️
I somehow got the impression that Scar was the Raider that Starbuck dissected after crash landing.
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Scar was the cylon version of "Chiggy Von Richtoften " from Space:Above and Beyond.
I was thinking the same thing. A shame they canceled it so early.
Excellent presentation, as usual!
It was interesting to find out that raiders also resurrected and carried the trauma, pain, and hatred caused by being killed.
This is some deep jungian stuff. Love it
Scar would be an epic Ace Combat villain
Beautiful voice on this channel, one of the best I've heard
The Lion King. Amazin'!
Very good production, Nerd Cookies! Like,like 3 likes💙
The angel messenger ultimately had no problem using the raider to get home. We knew that only Starbuck would have pulled it off but maybe there was something more to the how and why.
Thanks nick and elaine , great subject. I loved in that episode they used the John Williams ( the deer hunter) music at the end. Good video, art was very good again.
😊 thanks
@@NerdCookies your welcome elaine
I know one of the writers for the show and Joe-Joe Clark, one of Scar’s last victim, was named after me. May have been spelled Jo-Jo.
I really loved this series. So say we all.
Scar was epic for the series!
Thanks for another great vid Nerd Cookies!
I like the thought but the AI had likely already been transferred out of the Raider she wrote back in\on, that's why the ship was functional but not reactive. If the shell was empty it couldn't have taught it's AI any lessons on survival
It could have been like a lobotomy. Damaged brain, but not to the point of death so he didn't resurrect until the body was destroyed, thus carrying over the memories of that time being controlled.
I always thought scar was the same raider Starbuck captured
Same for me.
Oh hell yeah, thank you.
Warm nerd cookies for breakfast 😋🍪
Those are the best. Very good video. 👌😎👍
It was like that episode form the Space: Above and Beyond
Scar is Chiggy Von Richtoffen. (old school ref!)
I said the exact same thing.
"And we'll talk about your mother when I get back" - One of the best comebacks ever.
This episode is basically filler but they used that time to almost humanize the raiders that before this episode you never really even considered the raiders were anything more than a weapons platform while highlighting the terror the viper pilots feel everyday the shoot out the side of the battlestar. Man the writing for this show was on another level, I wish we could have TV shows like this again. This was the golden age of television when shows were venturing away from sitcoms in to deep thought provaking shows like the sopranos, breaking bad, the wire, battlestar galatica, now besides a few stand outs it's all woke bullshit
Great video, keep them coming I just can't get enough :D
Thank you!
scar was a great character and i wish we got to see him pop up more somehow throughout the show till this point
Since i first saw the Series first time, i found it a bit lacluster that they focussed so much on the personal drama insted of the military/tactical situation.
For example the very comcept of the ressurecting raiders could have opened a whole different kind of threat to Galactica and the fleet.
In the fist season the Raiders could have been just cannon fodder and while the series progresses the Raiders should have become more of a threat with every year.
So while the fleet looses Pilots on a regular basis, the Cylon Raider could have become more and more dangerous until they are way superior compared to a rookie Viper pilot at the end of the series.
Scar is so unique I dint even know raiders could learn until I saw the epesode scar
So basically, the more these Cylon Raiders last, the stronger they grow due to +exp gain. Presumably once such an AI dogfights against someone like Starbuck - and survives to analyze the engagement a couple times -- the Cylons gain air superiority, which is essentially game over. Even with the long list of Hollywood movies that deal with the AI destroying the world theme, who doubts that the first company ABLE to create the AI singularity...WILL do so?
This episode reminds me of "the angriest Angel" and Chiggy-von-Rhictoven from Space: Above and Beyond....
Another great Vid!! BSG FTW!!
How about a video on the Cylon Red-Eye from the original series?
Thanks for sharing.
I think scar could be a cylon version of Starbuck
Cool vid, Elaine! 😀
Most impressive
Ah a NEW VIPER TO ADD TO MY COLLECTION!
This episode and character so bring home that our enemies in war suffer just as we do. Hate war just as we do. Feel pain and rage just as we do. Are subjected and subjugated just as we are for the machinations of the powerful. Scar is a tragically beautiful distillation of what war does to the mind. We send people (or in this case an animal) off to protect our way of life, turn a blind eye to the horrors and atrocities they must commit just to survive, and we shame them and try them for war crimes because we were too lazy to find a better solution.
And when someone like the Cylons, or Hitler, or Putin come for us it’s because we turned a blind eye, all of us on both sides, on all sides, are responsible for letting someone like them lose on the world. The truly dangerous are just as much our fault as theirs.
Scar is the dog of war.
My re watch of the reimagined series is almost done I have 3 episodes left last one is a feature length or two part episode
I do a marathon re watch every couple of yrs, I’m on the 2nd season right now 👍
@@ianmunkyg1026 sweet. Which episode are you on ? Love season two especially the pegasus two part episode
@@shanenolan8252 The Farm, it’s my long weekend off work this weekend so I’ll be burning through it lol. Don’t really have a favourite episode ( it’s all good ) but have so many favourite moments.
@@ianmunkyg1026 yes the farm is a great episode, the scene with her broken fingers, cara and her mother. Enjoy your re watch Ian.
@@shanenolan8252 you too 👍
I really hope the new bsg that their supposedly making does this series justice. Hope they have good writers that don't turn it into crap like alot of the movies tv series they have out. I really liked this bsg series they made. I really couldn't tell you how many times I've gone back and watched it again. I'm guessing 5 or 6 times. Seems to get shorter every time. Thanks
"Hope they don't turn it into crap like alot of the movies tv series they have out"....
You mean like they did with the original when they brought this out making Starbuck a woman?
@@redlioness6627 no, like they did with terminators TV show from the movie and others just like it. Why would you follow me around like a puppy? I thought you were a Korean woman on her period. Now I can see your an American woman on her period. Much worse. You have a bad temper, and a potty mouth. At least your cordial now.
@@BlueGravity777
American LOL.
Why do a reboot at all? The 2nd one was a masterpiece.leave it alone
@@redlioness6627 that was not the original. The original bsg came out around the time of buck Roger's. I couldn't remember much of it as I was pretty young so I tried watching it again. It was way too hoky (cringy) for me. And yes your right when Starbuck first came out of the new series I was pissed that the changed the character into a woman. But she played her part very well. And as the series rolled on I got used to it. Did you know alot of our fighter pilots are women? They can take more GeForce than males can. They made a point of telling Iraq they were just bombed by a woman. That tickled me enormously.
Scar is NOT the same ship Starbuck found and flew back to the Galactica
*'Hello There!"*
They should have had more fleshed out cylon soldiers as regular antagonists. The do nothing cryptic speaking human ones just wernt good enough.
I was hoping to see updated versions of cylons like Lucifer. I like the idea of a break away branch of cylons that reject the idea of humanity, and the cylons having human bodies, and would have themselves go under a procedure to graft a new casing on these cylons. Though to be fair, the machine uprising is a bit played out, I would rather see the cylons as an alien species like in the original series. Idk, they both have their interesting elements
Assuming the speculation is correct then i wonder if he recognized Starbucks flying because it looked he was tunnel visioning
So, they're mining to make more vipers, but they lost so many vipers to Scar, was it worth it? Also how many vipers did they make/use before sending the fleet into the sun?
Huh, i thought they were mining tylium to fuel the fleet
Pegasus is able to create Viper Mark VIIb. Which is simplified Viper Mark VIIa which Galactica had. They mostly lost old Viper Mark II while guarding mining ships. These Vipers are much older. After Pegasus joined fleet mk.II became considered as tertiary craft.
I don't believe it was ever confirmed that Raiders had pain receptors. Nervous system? Yes. But considering how advanced Cylon tech was, I highly doubt they'd hinder their primary craft with being able to feel pain.
Pain is a useful signal
An excellent video. I had forgotten almost everything about Scar, having watched the whole series more than five years ago. On a side note; I never really like that the humanoid Cylon warriors were all referred to as 'Centurion'. In a Roman legion a centurion, as the name suggests, commanded about 100 legionnaires, nominally, though it was often less. It would make sense that the commander of an original Raider be a Centurion, much like Sargeants today command tanks, but he would have two 'ordinary' machines acting, perhaps as pilot and weapons operator or a Radar Intercept Officer, or perhaps a countermeasures operator. Oh well, food for fan fiction.
they would have been so much more deadly if they gave him higher brain functions
daaaaang
In the pilot...The USS Enterprise made a cameo...you can barely make it out
Can someone tell me are Raider down down loaded it to new raider crafts
The figher Starbuck downed was not Scar, it didn't have the battle damage Scar had, it was just another Raider w bad luck. Other than that, good vid.
When Scar is resurrected I believe he gets a new body. Then he will accumulate battle damage over time with that new body until he dies again. I don't know that they would resurrect him in a chassis and replicate the same damage
@@NerdCookies Good point, I need more coffee for the old grey CPU. However it could be he racks up scars fast like a 'fight first' guy, and once the resurection ship is down he runs out of that option and accululates injuries quick. Btw love the ch, the cute voice is always good to listen to. Not making a pass or anything, just like the voice.
Kat & an asteroid kill Scar
so, Scar gets Zenkai boosts, it seems
Uncatalogued Cylon Raider DNA detected. Raider DNA acquired and available - Omnitrix.
Sry. Can’t do this narrators voice.
Chiggy von Richtofen?
If it was him, then everyone would have to abandon all hope.
@@noahbody9875 Well played, sir!
so the cylon raiders are cyborgs?
Why wasn't scar dowladed into a new ship? Or did he? All other cylons were.
I think I brought it out in the video that the nearby resurrection ship was destroyed before these events. That's why the raiders were using guerilla tactics instead of an all out assault.
@@NerdCookies At first distance was not a problem. When Galactica had to re arm in that dust cloud, cylons were blocked some how. Then later in the series it became only 1 resurection ship. What about the planet where they hail from. It was not destroyed. Must be many facilities there.
@@jeffglenn7609 Resurrection facilities existed on the Cylon Homeworld, but it was out of range. Also, all resurrection was controlled by the Resurrection Hub, an independant, continually relocating facility that also could store the consciousnesses of entire lines of Cylon.
@@DavidLemmo They already infiltrated the 12 colonies before the war. Cylons were so far away the colonials didn't know their location. No problem then. So writing evolved to fit story. Clearly a problem.
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Scar doesn't deserve the sympathy. It deserves respect for the warning it represents. Its Apathy.
Scar is the foil and counter to the Viper pilots, namely PeeBee who is looking for self fulfillment and glory to one up Starbuck. Starbuck herself is also a target of Scar's philosophical existence.
Scar itself (may not be a he at all... hell it may even have pronouns lol jk) it's barely more than a machine still. It's bioengineered and digitally programmed BOTH to fight enemies of the Cylon and to survive at all costs. It has a very simple purpose and is in every sense, still a drone. There for, it is not capable to tame Scar like you could a dog. There is no way to domesticated something thar genetically force with the disposition to kill you.
What Scar does is reflect on the Viper Pilots themselves and their PTSD or War weariness. It reminds us how the horrors of war can lobotomize you, reduce you to a primal state and make you ... in-human.
The lesson of Scar is fully realized in that episode when Starbuck's quietly congratulated PeeBee, but then solemnly turns around and toasts to the ones Scar and other like it, have killed... reminding PeeBee of what's truly important... our humanity.
Scar doesn't care if it's kin dies. All it cares is that it survives to kill the pre-programmed enemies of the Cylons. We can call that programming 'hatred', but the important thing to note is Scar's lack of empathy for it's fellow Cylons. There is no sympathy. Just Apathy for the Colonials. That's all that drives it.
It's a warning to those who fight, a reminder to remember why you're fighting - it's not for the glory, it's for the ones you love. The ones you've lost. And you hope to hell that the fighting stops so you don't lose anyone else.
That is the fundamental difference between the human combatants and the Cylon drones... the Humanity.
BSG wasted the Pegasus that ship should have never been destroyed, imagine if the Pegasus had a program virus to stop a Cylon ship and first-generation shield technology.
Yes, a carrier is not a fighter, you don't send it into the middle of the meat-grinder, you circle around the outside.
@@Taneth two battle stars go round the outside round the outside round the outside
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Wasn’t Scar the raider Starbuck shot down and brought back to the Galactica?
no, that other chick blew Scar up when Starbuck was playing possum and led Scar to her.
@@keithaipperspach5967 no that happened after Starbuck captured the Raider in Season 1. I am wondering whether scar is the downloaded brain from the raider she shot down and captured in Season 1.
you're repeating story beat for beat, there's no new information here just like in a lot of your other videos
It's a lore video. Am I supposed to make stuff up? Lol
They literally look nothing like the original
Not as cool as Chiggy Von Richthoven
The new Cylon ships were too edgy. The OG design is still superior!