🔴 Get Rid Of OXALATES Using Diet Only!
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I love how you are editing and posting shorter videos focused on one topic. I'm trying to share your knowledge with others and I think the longer videos may make some people not want to watch. I know you work tirelessly to spread this important information and I appreciate you so much for doing it!
Thank you very much, I'm glad that you like it! Yeah I think the longer videos can be a bit daunting for people, so taking out one topic at a time will hopefully help keep things easier for people to digest.
I agree! I like the targeted approach!
Excellent point... longer ones great for the chioir, but not for the newbies... 😊
@@anthonychaffeemdsame here. Love listening to you and so many others. I do like the shorts way better. I watch when I get up, at work, after work. I like to send videos to my mom but she tells me not to send them anymore cuz they're to long.
Let them be, their own fault for having a short attention span when it comes to truth. People would rather watch a whole series of nonsense on Netflix than save their own lives
This was about five years ago. I was really trying hard to watch my diet, not eat sugar, candies, or cakes, and only eat healthy food, including low-fat things like spinach. We all know that spinach is really healthy, right of course, I am saying this facetiously now, but here's what happened, I bought a big tub of spinach at Whole Foods, and I ate a little bit, but then it got to that point where it's starting to wilt and not be that fresh type of spinach that we want to eat. So I sautéed up the whole rest of the tub in a skillet, added a little cream and butter, and ate the whole tub of spinach, sautéd down into a relatively small amount, so I can remember sitting in front of the television said, eating this, and with the cream and butter on it tasted pretty good, that night I had the worst gout attack of my life, and when I say it was a bad gout attack that is very much underestimated gout is never good, but you can live with it if you can get in bed prop your foot up, maybe put an ice pack on it, and it will minimize the pain pretty good as long as you don't move. This was nothing like that. It didn't matter what I did. It didn't matter how many pain pills I took; nothing helped. It was the most miserable 24 hours of my 75 years on this planet. After 24 hours, if I laid really still took my pain meds, it lessened enough that I finally could fall asleep, but it lasted for about another 2 to 3 weeks, getting slowly better. Needless to say, I don't even walk by it in the grocery store anymore, and I have learned a lot since then. Thanks to Dr. Chaffey and other doctors like Dr. Barry. Even if you just can't give it up and have to eat a little bit of it, it is never sautéed because you've had to use a large amount to have the amount of anything once it is sautéed; spinach is bad. sautéed spinach is 100 times worse, anyway, if I can save even one person from going through what I went through that night with this information I am very glad that I wrote this.
Thank you very much
Yes, I went from moderate meat and copious vegs to keto- low carb,more meat but lots of nuts, sweet potatoes, chard, buckwheat etc, cut out sugars and husband has lacto intolerance. Developped terrible arthritic neuropathy in back/ scoliosis, and gouty feet, leg cramps, hearing loss etc, eye watering, small kidney stones, skin peeling ..
Doc said it was'idiopathic'. So from your program I will cut back on the dairy and cal/mag if it causes more dumping. I'm 72, ouch, don't want anyone to have this much pain! Thanks, doc, keep it current!
So.. in grade school when I refused to eat the spinach to the point of being the only one left in the lunchroom, I was on to something? 😂 I always preferred meat over veggies.
Boil it and throw the water away, it will reduce the amount of the oxalates.
Horror story but so glad you came out wiser! I now remember why, when offered some stray cows ( I am from India) they just would not touch the spinach...
Anthony I didn’t know oxylate dumping was real - while i was detoxing the first few weeks in Carni I had bad joint pains and then for a couple months I had oxylates oozing out of my eyes. This is real, now my joints aren’t storing oxylates and crystals, feels like my arthritis, autoimmune, menopause has disappeared. Yahoo! ❤
Out of your eyes?! Naaaah... Serious?! 😨
Yes, conjunctivitis, blepharitis, eye goop of any sort like the kind accumulating overnight - all ox dumping.
Yip, hurts, red eyes, tearing, hard crystal eye boogers in corners of eye took months now slowing down. Occuphase 2X a day still on it a year now.
Blisters on scalp with swelling and intense pain. Now burning aching for a couple of days in bladder with burning urine. Burning watery bowel movements that burn the skin and require a shower. Miserable. I don’t want any food with oxalates for sure.
Had a huge kidney stone that caused kidney failure and nearly killed me. I am on carnivore 3 months and still dumping but getting better I hope
I was using water fasting as the only way I knew how to manage my joint pain. On one occasion after coming off a 36 hour fast, I was feeling great, doing yoga with little pain, thought oh I’ll make a nice healthy green smoothie and the join pain came back immediately even stronger than before. That’s when I realised ohh it’s not the meat causing my joint pain but rather it’s the greens. Googled carnivore and started and have been felt great since.
Just finished a 3 day fast, you should try
Great post. Thanks for sharing your experience.
Oh gosh. I cringed when I read that you felt better then decided to make a green smoothie! Your poor joints!
Glad you’re feeling better now.
You basically don’t juice green s and have them … how. One you can cook greens ? Do you realize how much greens you take in in a juice ? Vs eating them cooked ?
Weird cabbage juice cures my arthritis.
The more the years go by the more this dude looks like a Greek sculpture
I swear…
Exactly!
i quit cigarette and alchol because carnivore diet lower my body stress from high carb junk
so i dont need alcohol to release my stress
Since I have started I don't have cravings like I used to. Only a week in. Hopefully I quit drinking and smoking to.
I did carnivore 23days in the past and all my cigarette n alcohol cravings were almost completely gone and i am a 2packs a day bottle of whiskey type of person. Im on day 5 and its helped alot already, no smokes no booze. I wanna go all the way this time. Good luck
Also... check out Allen Carrs, the easy way to quit smoking, & the easy way to quit drinking. ✌️
Maybe this is what I need to do to.
Awesome
As of today I am down 100 lbs! Thanks for your knowledge and inspiration Dr. Chaffee!!
How
@@joanneclark8256 I started off _really_ fat and deleting carbs is very strong. Many would still consider me really fat now still.
Curious are you male or female? I find it harder for women to lose the weight then men ....I am wondering if women need more omega 3 , on account of hormone loss during menopause ?? Honestly, I need to loose 80 lbs ...Is your skin tightening along with the weight-loss or weight loss first, than skin will tighten once at your idea weight for your body? Also you did so amazing to lose this much weight I bet you feel like a million...God Bless and thank you for being an inspiration to is all....
@@cherylschumaker1366 I'm male. I had no problems with loose skin, but I am still fat enough to be class 2 obese. I've actually been stuck on a plateau since that post.
@@cherylschumaker1366I am not the addressee of your comment, but I'll throw my 5 cents in:
I didn't need to lose so much weight, but I noticed I started to gain some after my car accident that caused me not being able to go to gym for over a year now.
My comment would be this - you first start losing the body fat layer, then visceral fat, and only after your body is free of being of those extra tissues, it will slowly start absorbing it's excess skin. Your skin will absolutely tighten up again but that process is much longer than dropping the excessive fat layers by instituting carnivore diet. I know this for a fact. If you're getting skinnier in your face, the same process is happening everywhere in your body. So be patient and diligent, you can't cheat even once in this process.
Good luck!
I had never heard of an oxalate before I came to the carnivore world. Been on carnivore for 30 days, down 20 lbs, physically up and down. Some days I’m full of energy and the next day I feel like my limbs are made of lead and it’s a chore to walk around.
Struggle to eat beef every day, I am eating pork and eggs, drinking lots of water, still drink black coffee, no plans at this time to quit, but I didn’t plan to stop smoking 30 years ago either and one day I just stopped, so maybe.
Same; some days I’m a rock star 🤩
Other days I’m sleeping 12 hours 😴
Don't you question the good bugs or microbiome? Fights fungus and bad bugs ??
Please try to add bonebroth🙏 most of the days I'm eating bone broth, some cheese, bit of vegetables few days in a week (all herbs from my own garden, all clean and healthy), eggs, homemade yoghurt it's perfect for a people on a tight budget as well! Please try! You may love it❤
I bought an huge Instant Pot (9plus Litre) and cooking a bone broth for about a 3 hours
@@NAVIOROLtdDo you flavor the bone broth with vegetables, like carrots or onions?
Never just eat meat😮😮😮 ur cardiologist will hate u
10:42 - How to ger rid of oxalates
Don't eat plants!
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What's not to love, too... he's smart, humble, kind, a good listener, and handsome. That combo is just soooo rare!
AND...he taught us how to go all Anthony on beef in our frig!
My first thought when I realized he was a neurosurgeon and he operated on people's brains and spines and he's so handsome the first thing I thought of was Grey's Anatomy and McDreamy😂
@@KCCAT5 😁
@@catsrus2890thanks for the update. Seemed like a lot of last year he was stretched a bit thin on time. But it's great that he is able to make more videos and he's trying different lengths which I think is helpful for a lot of people who just want to stick their toes in. We dedicated viewers are only too happy to hang out for a couple of hours with Dr Chaffee and glean every possible word of wisdom that he spouts!
I love him. Just mesmerized. Loved the handsome comment. I always think that too. His GF is also very beautiful.
What the heck happened to his residency????
@catsrus2890 wooo... no I didn't see that video... and what IS up with the botox???? seriously???? Dear Dr...BOTOX IS TRYING TO KILL YOU! 😳 I'm shocked. I can see that a residency would be something to walk away from if they wouldn't let you heal people the right way and your girlfriend lives in Australia, so you want to stay there. He's teamed up with another Dr in his practice. Good for them both to heal with Carnivore!
13 month carnivore and I feel great. two months in and broke out in hives I think from dumping. It lasted a couple of days. So happy to be eating proper and saving dollars.
Do you personally slaughter the animals you eat?
@@GordonPavilion are you ok with lions eating zebras?? snakes eating mice??
oooohhhhhhh thats different isnt it.lmao.
Do you comprehend that your body is a tasty meal for plenty of animals....
its survival of the fittest.
The only food source available to humans with all complete amino acids is MEAT. It is the one and only food source you could live on forever without anything else.
Your moral choice about not eating meat is admirable.....but its not clever or helpful to your health.
@@GordonPavilionwhy?
@@GordonPavilion
Cut down on the atrazine consumption. Looks like your estrogen is spiking.
@@dieselbourbon3728 you still dwinking mommy cows mwilk?
I went keto 6 years ago and ate LOTS of spinach and almonds. Not knowing any better, I went cold turkey carnivore about a year ago and ended up in the ER 2 months ago passing a kidney stone, and have just had surgery to remove another stone. There are no more in there, and I’m praying I don’t form anymore. Despite this, I will be sticking with carnivore because I’m convinced it’s the right diet for me.
Enjoy more uric acid stones and more time spent in the ER, I guess. Some people never learn, apparently.
@@hoon_solit’s the spinach that gave her kidney stones NOTthe meat. Read the book Toxic Superfoods by Sally Norton, a former vegan.
@@celeste-236:
Thanks, but I've read my fair share of nonsense already. Learn what uric acid is. Learn what causes it, and read about "the disease of kings", maybe you'll start being a bit less clueless.
May be best to follow the Blue Zone approach to health to enjoy quality longevity, instead of defending the gurus defense.
A question of balance ..
@@celeste-236:
You're an absolute moron, and Sally Norton is one of the biggest morons on the planet. Enjoy your uric acid stones, I'll enjoy my spinach.
Oxalate dumping is no joke. Been experiencing blurry vision in my dominant eye for months now since starting the carnivore diet and went to 3 specialists. While scanning my macula, 2 of the 3 specialists remarked that there were little specs inside the fluid of my eye(in front of the macula) that looked like "sand", and they didn't know what it was. My symptoms in one eye are blurry vision, sandy feeling while trying to fall asleep, and styes every couple months. I'm almost positive these symptoms are from oxalate dumping.
I wonder if that is my problem. My retinal specialist told me it looked "sandy" as well. My vision started getting worse as I changed from a high greens and other veg oxalate diet over to low oxalate meat based diet. It bothered me that vision would worsen. Everything else healthwise is much better! Maybe I am oxalate dumping through eyes?
Rub some beef tallow on you sternum and abdomen (not a lot) this helped me tremendously. I am guessing the omega 3 chains in tallow mixed with the ADEK vitamins really help with the dumping.
@@sheilacollins9384take an oxylate binder so they come out of your colon instead
@@JorgetraderThank you.
So if it made your vision worse, why continue?
Thanks for bringing this extremely important topic up and for mentioning Sally K Norton and her book Toxic superfoods.💕🎉 I'm about 2 years into low oxalate eating and I have barely scratched the surface...😅I've eaten plantbased diets for decades!🤪
As a child I had lots of ear infections and was given several rounds of antibiotics. I now know that it gave me leaky gut and I started to store oxalates even on a "regular" omnivorous diet. But then a vegetarian and vegan diet for 2 decades, plus eating high plant even on omnivorous ways of eating, just made me sicker and sicker.
I couldn't understand it! I'm a Nutritional Therapist and I just got sicker and sicker the "healthier" I ate!!!!
And then I tried carnivore and got very dangerous symptoms which puzzled me even more... 🤪 I actually went back to a plantbased diet after 9 months of carnivore and for a while that felt better...until it didn't ofc.😅
Now in retrospect I understand that I felt initially better again bcs it temporarily halted the oxalate dumping I got on carnivore bcs I added back lots of plants and that gave my body a signal to stop dumping and start storing! But that bucket will absolutely start to spill over if you continue to ingest lots of oxalates ofc....
Sadly I went to the highest oxalate diet I ever been on, following Medical Medium diet and protocols. (That tells you a little something about how effing sick and desperate I was....😢)
I drank cerlery juice, spinach smoothies and ate sweet potatoes, potatoes and so on, so forth. I ate several THOUSANDS of mg of oxalates a day! I thought I couldn't get any sicker but oh boy....I was absolutely poisoned and thought I was going to die.😢
That's when I found Sally K Norton and binge watched tons of interviews with her. I did cut out the oxalate rich foods too quickly though and it was horrible and very dangerous. I actually went back on carnivore for 6 months against better judgment. I can't stress enough how absolutely dangerous it can get if you go from an extremely high oxalate diet (plus having decades of stored oxalated in the body) directly to a strict carnivore diet.
The carnivore diet isn't at fault here ofc, it's just that the oxalic acid/oxalates are as dangerous on their way out as they where in. And it can take many years to clear it out with a history like mine and Sally's. Sally is 10 years in and is still having bouts of clearing or dumping. (Clearing is a milder, more manageable version of dumping.)
I've had to add back both some plants and some carbs bcs my body just can't fat adapt and it seems like I can't produce sufficient amounts of endogenous glucose via gluconeogenesis bcs I get dangerously low blood sugar which induces an extreme rush of stresshormones and months and months of severe insomnia as a result.
Plus also very dangerous electrolyte disturbances with arythmias almost 24/7.
This probably is bcs of all the damage done by decades of plantbased eating and bcs I'm still constantly handling clearing/dumping plus I have thyroid antibodies.
I hope to be able to try carnivore again soon but I'm scared bcs it got so insanely bad last times I've tried. (I've done it for 15 months in total so it's not for lack of trying, that's for dang sure.😅)
By now I've been to over 40 of Sally K Norton's classes btw. It's a game changer!!🌞
Minerals like calcium, magnesium and potassium are VERY important to eat/take when one has an oxalate issue. Otherwise it WILL steal minerals from your blood, bones and tissues.
Yes, calcium can trigger more release but it's worse to not have calcium in your diet when you are having lots of stored oxalates in your body. I would never even think of trying fully carnivore again without calcium and other minerals.
Btw, I even push tiny oxalate crystals out through my scalp and skin. Look like little diamonds. Too bad it isn't bcs I would be really rich if that was the case...!.💎💎💎💎💎💎💎💎😂
What an amazing and difficult journey you are on to get back to a better health outcome!! 🩷
We all have ups & downs in our lives, sending positive energy that you have way more ups than downs on this crazy life path we all seem to be on 💝 x
Wow, your story is amazing! Good for you for trying so many things and never giving up on yourself in your quest for a healthy body.
If you're not able to get fat adapted, have you tried a liver/gallbladder flush? It's not much talked about in carnivore circles, but I found it to be a huge help.
When you eat a high-veggie diet, the bile system can become very sluggish and gloopy. Bile is released when we eat fat, so if you've been eating low fat (and I now consider anything not keto to be low fat) then bile just doesn't get released on a regular basis, and it begins to thicken up in your biliary ducts, like constipation of the biliary system.
Then, when you switch to a high fat diet, your bile is all backed up and clotted. This can cause people to feel that they can't digest fat - because they really can't!
Stephanie Keto Person talks a bit about doing liver/gallbladder flushes, but I've never heard any other carnivore influencer talk about it, which I think is a shame. There's a lot of people out there who are feeling like carnivore isn't working for them, when it could and would if only their biliary system was in working order.
I know you didn't ask, but if you're willing to listen to the medical medium, I figure maybe you'd be interested in what worked for me! 😂😂😂
@cammieklund OMG! For over 11 years now I've been afflicted with some RARE disease that even stumped a pathologist with 30 years experience! It's some kind of "non-specific suppurative dermatitis" and it's slowly destroying my entire body. GRANULES that resemble salt or sugar (or I guess diamonds) LITERALLY come out of my SKIN. It started inside my nose and below the back of the neck and the left ear but has slowly spread over my body. I know it's inside my EYES too and is slowly taking my vision, degenerating my collagen and turning my skin into something that looks like an over cooked piece of meat! But the GRANULES or CRYSTALS and the number one thing-I'm massaging some out of my eyes, my face, my upper back between typing this.
@@itzakpoelzig330 😅 Yes, I'm planning on doing a gallbladder flush! I know that I have gall stones, I recently did a CT scan. Don't know how much though, haven't seen the images myself, just got a letter that I had some and that it was sent to a surgeon that would decide what to do. I won't let them take out my gallbladder though! And yes, I think this is a common issue and it should be talked about more! No wonder if you are used to run on carbs and then take them out and then if you can't use fats as fuel either bcs it's clogged up plus you are dealing with oxalates that the body goes into crisis mode. Plus I saw a study that said that hypothyroid people can have 30-50% less ability to create glucose via gluconeogenesis so it's the perfect storm.🤪 The quest goes on though!🌞
@@BurraMoo69 Thank you so much❣️🌞
Oxalates can end up anywhere in the body and present with different symptoms. i.e. oxalates binding with calcium can end up in joints causing arthritis symptoms. Sulfur can help pull oxalates out of tissues and sulfur supplements like MSM, and Epsom salt baths or foot soaks can help. B6 in the form of 5-P-5 pyridoxine helps to drive oxalates out of tissue. Building a good gut microbiome can prevent oxalates from reabsorbing into the body. Potassium, magnesium, and calcium in the citrate form help in softening and binding with oxalates. Drinking 4 oz of lemon juice daily can prevent kidney stones. Sally K Norton and Elliot Overton on the YT channel EONutrition have detailed information on oxalates and how to help with the dumping syndrome.
Great tips- thanks!
Thanks, how do you improve microbiome on a carnivore diet though? I thought fermented and raw foods does that.
Lemon juice is high in oxalates.i just read it in her book🤔
I have Sally K Norton’s book Toxic Superfoods, I cannot even use seasoning without getting sick, I am full ketogenic Carnivore. I was vegan drinking my superfood smoothies using flaxseeds which contain cyanide killing my mitochondria. For someone who stopped trusting the AMA when I was 15, I thought I was eating healthy.
@@therealhatfits676Eating meat and fats.
What they also dont say, is yes over the years this builds up, oh yeah thats when i get older. What many dont realise is "older" is only late 30's to 40's. Many think, oh yeah older like when im 80. NO, you well start getting issues, possibly irreversible issues starting late 30's early 40's. Later in life isnt as late as most are thinking.
Speaking from experience you are stating facts. 30s really is “older”
I'm coming to realize this as a 60 y.o. starting Carnivore. Now I realize symptoms that started in my 20s started becoming big problems 10 years ago (30 years later)! But most have no way of knowing in this land of diet lies...getting worse by the day. 😢
One of the hardest things to comes to terms with is being duped into believing that celery spinach beetroot sweet potatoe smoothie is super healthy!!! Oxalate dumping is horrendously real ! Thanks for presenting this topic so articulately- Sally Norton’s book has been the only thing that saved my health after years of ‘detoxing’ following medical medium. I completed a 72 hour water fast with the most horrendous oxalate dumping, acid burning my throat and mouth. Now just try to avoid all high oxalate foods that we still mis-lead to believe are healthy - spinach sweet potatoes beetroot but this video is a reminder even to me that nuts and seeds cocoa are creeping back in … easy not to be vigilant
I went on a ketogenic diet in 2019. I lost 32 pounds and I have maintained that weight within a 2 pound marker since then. However, I noticed that I started getting very stiff and that my knees hurt and the joints in my fingers hurt and felt swollen & stiff. I could not understand why this was happening because I felt I was eating better than I had in my entire life. I was talking to the woman in my health food store and she asked me what I was eating. I was eating a lot of spinach! I grew to like it very much, but she told me that because of the compounds in the plants that I may have been overdoing it. She admitted humbly to not knowing a lot about it, but suggested I scale back on the spinach. I saw a podcast on Dr. Josh Axe’s channel and he was talking about oxalates, and which vegetables were high & which fruits were high. I made a list of those foods and I scaled back on my produce purchases. After a few weeks, I definitely lost the swelling in my knees and my hands and overall I can tell the difference. I do have a small salad every two days or so, just because I think there are some nutritional benefits in it. I do eat a few berries every morning, which I love and I didn’t want to give them up and I’m grateful that I didn’t have to. But the more I learn about this the more it makes complete sense. I am mainly carnivore and eat a lot of meat. These compounds are real and you need to monitor how much of them you consume.
Honestly, I would just cut out the greens completely. I think it would benefit you
Thanks for sharing your experience. Very helpful.
WOW.. you just described me!!!
I've noticed less stiffness in my hands and knees this morning!!!!!!
I went keto 20 carbs or below 6.5 years ago, then carnivore 3 years ago 62 now. Last year I had a cist form on the back of my neck in one day, 3 day later it popped open, white stuff cane out. Then deeper a lump formed. I had the VA cut it out. All they told me, it's not cancer, I was thinking. Oxalates
Sebaceous cyst
Our bodies are so amazing! Sequestering gunk till it’s ready to dispose of ❤
Yikes! Good job and wishing you good health!
@@Marigold-ip3gwsometimes I think these brown moles are just that. Gunk!
What did u eat for breakfast
Dr. Chaffee I started getting kidney stones & infections at freaking 14 yrs. old! I had them every year until I was 47 - I called my Nephrologist on my 48th birthday to tell him I would NOT NEED HIS SERVICES ANYMORE! 😊 We NEVER knew why... maybe this was it! I'm 57 & NO MORE KIDNEY STONES 🎉
Im free of them too since I went carnivore.
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Dr.Chaffee, wanted to let you know this was my first day on carnivore. You’ve inspired me to try it out. I’ve always been under the impression that plants are the way, however I’ve been fairly into Keto for a year. Now, it’s time to fully heal and grow (I’m 20).
I’m Norwegian btw. Hopefully I can inspire others, but first I want to check the diet for myself. I fully believe the science, but the logic made it for me.
I’ll let you know how it effects me. Love your message dude, keep it up❤️
Wise decision, all best wishes!
Let us know how it goes.
I'm Norwegian as well. I'm almost 8 months into the carnivore diet at this point. Pro tip: Buy your steaks in Sweden and save money. It's expensive here 😂
Hold oss oppdatert på progresjonen din. Det virker ikke som det er mange carnivores her i landet. For min egen del var ikke den første måneden på dietten spesielt bra. Jeg var forstoppet en stund, fordi jeg ikke var klar over at fiber blir erstattet med fett og kollagen.
Det er flaut å innrømme det nå, men jeg begrenset inntaket av smør (fett), salt og fettdelene på kjøttet (collagen), og det viste seg senere at det var årsaken til forstoppelsen. Oppdaget også senere at det tar litt tid for kroppen å vende seg til høyere inntak av fett, null fiber og fordøyelse av mye kjøtt. Når man vender seg til det, går plutselig ting på skinner.
Fordelene jeg har opplevd på dietten er så mange at jeg har glemt mye av det, men jeg startet på den hovedsakelig for å se om jeg kunne bli kvitt allergiene mine til bjørk og Timothei (en type gress). Symptomene forsvant etter ca. 2 måneder i juli måned. Do-vanene var veldig ustabile i starten, men det å fjerne fiber er noe jeg aldri kommer til å angre på. Så lenge jeg holder meg unna fiber og nye typer mat, så føles magen veldig rolig og stabil, og jeg fiser kanskje 1 gang i måneden nå om dagen. Jeg har ikke luft lenger 😂
Det er litt ulikt fra person til person, men jeg hadde vært på dietten i ca. 1 måned og 1 uke da jeg begynte å føle meg så bra at jeg vurderte å fortsette på dietten. Energinivå og selvtillit ble plutselig skyhøye - antageligvis fordi hormonene ble mer balanserte. Søvnen ble bedre, og det ble mye enklere å våkne om morgenen. Jeg hadde egentlig aldri vurdert å starte på noen diett. Det var liksom bare en impulsiv beslutning jeg tok på våren i fjor, men det er ganske utrolig hvor mye det har hatt å si for hvordan jeg føler meg fra dag til dag. Hvis du klarer å holde deg unna sukker og bearbeidet mat en stund, så tipper jeg du opplever noe av det samme :)
❤Good for you. You won't regret it. I had massive oxalate dumping through my eyes/face especially! I Was the worst vege and fruit addict my whole life. I'm 70 now and hope to be healthy for the rest of my life. Goodluck and enjoy your Carni lifestyle. ❤
I ended up with large Oxolate kidney stones when I ate spinach, sweet potatoes, dark chocolate and almonds daily for 10 years on keto ..
Spinach and sweet potatoes are NOT Keto, Duh 😮
Spinach is
Cuz it's low in carbs
Sweet potatoes 1 cup -27 grams of carbs & almonds 1 cup is equivalent to 28 grams of carbs. Low carb diet is 30 grams & below carbs. Keto diet is when there is presence of ketones in the blood or urine tests
Yep like original poster posted “I ended up with large Oxolate kidney stones”. Microphone Dropped 😳.
Perfectly said Dr. Chaffee! I feel all produce in grocery stores should have a regulation that requires stores to put warning labels out listing each produce’s natural toxins (and amount) and anti nutrients! That including Oxalates! And explain health risks so humans are aware!
I don't know if one needs oxalate testing. You can look at the symptoms - which weren't talked about here.
I had severe neck pain and headaches for about two years. I also had to see a chiropractor three to four times a year.
Then I went Carnivore and the first thing I noticed was the massive amount of tartar I got on my teeth, a problem I never had in my life. A few weeks into Carnivore I suddenly thought: you don't have headaches and neck pain anymore .
It was only after that realization that I saw Sally Norton on UA-cam and I nearly fell over from all the things she talked about. The tartar was oxalate dumping and the pains I had came from the (high oxalate) potatoes I had eaten more than ever in these past two years. Potatoes and chocolate.
Haven't been back to the chiropractor since I started carnivore. The achiness in the mornings I had as a 61 y.o. was gone, too
If you want to search out Sally Norton, I'd recommend her interview with Jesse Chappus. (The one she did with Anthony Chaffee is more on the academic side while the other one is more on in a practical level.) (Thank me later 😅)
I've got the tartar thing going on... and itching eyes...
What I found that was awesome against oxalate dumping was smearing beef tallow on my abdomen and chest (about 1-2 grams total) once a day. GAME CHANGER
Interesting 🤔
@@ValidityJ He's taking the pi55.
Coffee and dark chocolate smooth out the dump.
Did you c h e c k it or just believe it ?
@@fryertuck6496 dark chocolate has oxalates according to Sally's book
This interview, followed immediately by an anti-carnivore diet ad🤦
On another note, the two things that turned me to a middle of the night web search, while on the carnivore diet, were waking up to "leg cramps" and prior, experiencing a soreness in my kidneys. Everywhere, I saw "leg cramps" tied to oxolate dumping while on the carnivore diet. One really wouldn't know what to think if we didn't have the growing and supportive community(who can still think for themselves) we have now in this quest for optimal health and dietary truth.
My leg cramps are caused by needing more electrolytes. Now I take one half teaspoon keto chow drops in the morning and 1/2 teaspoon at night.
Potassium, magnesium and sodium. Make sure you get these daily
Isn't leg cramps magnesium needed ?
I take 400mg magnesium and still getting cramps. On keto/lchf though. I do have a history of oxalates problems (kidney stones) and against better judgment when I started this diet in January I started eating tons of oxalate rich foods. Of course after a month or two I started getting joint pains...
Any tips for me? :)
Coincidence that red meats are becoming more and more expensive? I think not
That's called "inflation".....!!!!
@@user-ws1qf7ol4k then why are crap foods still cheap(
Hi Anthony, after hearing about Saladino and Baker I found you, and you inspired me to try the carnivore diet because of rapidly deteriorating gut issues over Christmas. Cleared up in a week, my digestion has never felt better. I fail to adhere strictly to the diet, I eat at a bit of carbs and fruits most days, but the vast majority of my nutrition now comes from beef, eggs, more beef, and more eggs. (Formerly 9 years vegan, reintroduced some animal foods about 1,5 years ago but now I've really ramped it up and cut out many other foods.) I feel really good, my energy is stable, my skin is starting to look better, I produce way less ear wax for some reason, and I don't have to sit on the toilet 40+ minutes per day. Big win.
14 yrs vegetarian here...turned recently to complete carnivore.my family and friends cannot believe their eyes😅
I have been doing the all meat diet for 3plus years dumping oxalates around 8mths in. It has been challenging. I now take calcium citrate, magnesium citrate and use citric acid and high potassium salt to help with dealing with the oxalates. There are many people like me experiencing this however most stop eating this way. It is greatly misunderstood imho. Oxalate dumping can be extremely difficult to go through. Years of it is hell on the body and mind. Thankfully I now am getting on top of it.
Good on you!! 🥰
Me too, dumping harshly after 8 months of perfection eating mostly carnivore. It can happen at any time, months or years after stopping eating ox foods. Currently for me, it’s hard to even gauge low ox intake to mitigate the dumping. One cup of black tea can be too much. As an example.
Better out than in!
@@olgakuchukov6981:
Oh yeah, the "perfection" of constantly making uric acid stones and labeling them as oxalate stones from long ago to assuage yourself. Sounds very "perfect" indeed.
@@hoon_sol what do YOU nean by “perfection?” In my statement above, I meant that everything was perfect for me as soon as i began carnivore- weight loss, lack of cravings, sleep, motivation, lifelong depression gone, many other pains and issues gone, great suatained energy, easy eating regimen, loving the taste of the food, etc. I’m being hyperbolic. The perfection is only in contrast to hpw messed up my relationship with food was all my life.
Oh i see, you’re being a sarcastic, dismissive twit. Gotcha. Perhaps there are multiple effects happening and the uric acid doesn’t exist in a vacuum. That oxalic crystals combine with uric acid and cause mayhem. Whatever. Carry on believing in a limited perspective. No time for that kind of trolling.
@@olgakuchukov6981:
I mean that calling something as idiotic as a "carnivore" diet "perfection" is laughable and delusional.
And no, oxalate crystals don't "combine" with uric acid, that's not even remotely how biochemistry, or chemistry in general, works.
In one sense it must be "easy" going through life without having any clue what you're doing or about what you're saying, like rattling off statements that are obviously absurd and bizarre to someone who knows even basic chemistry, but in another it must actually be quite difficult due to all the problems you're inevitably causing to yourself.
Chaffee is the man!
Amazing video. Thank you dr.
❤❤❤ Dr. Anthony!!
I had gout like symptoms that I now believe was caused by oxalates, so I applied milk of magnesia to the affected area and it relieved the pain. Sometimes it took several applications though.
Great bin thinking about this issue lately and then you bring the answers. 🤘
Hey, Dr. Chaffee, I love your videos😊
Man, I love the clarity of your speech and your mental "composure"!
Great stuff
Thank you all for doing this and warning people about oxalates thank you sooo much ❤
Love Dr. Chaffee & Sally K. Norton ❤🙏🏼
Thank you, Dr. Chaffee! 7 months in, originally began with no clue, but as I continued, I learned so much from your video content. Presently feeling great at age 64. I am still having histamine issues and was diagnosed with Hemi Facial Spasms. This WOE has turned my life around, and I hope that my health will continue to improve, and I will reverse all the damage that has been caused by years of traditional ways of eating foods that were harmful to me. Thank you, Dr. Chaffee!!
@AnthonyChaffeeMD Dr. Chaffee, great info once again. I do have a question about a 3 day water fast and how it relates to the carnivore (proper human diet) diet
Chaffee for president of the world ❤😊
I found an obscure research paper by, I think, Japanese or perhaps Chinese researchers, which was looking at the effect of a proteolytic enzyme, Lumbrokinase, on oxalates. Their finding was that Lumbrokinase does actually dissolve them. I happened to have some Lumbrokinase so my husband (80) and I (76) who have just switched to carnivore from keto and were having oxalates dumping symptoms, tried it. We both feel so much better. We are only an N of 2 but, it seems to us that Lumbrokinase does work and we can even feel it working. Our energy is up and aching and stiffness, among other symptoms, are down!
We are also using supplements that Elliot Overton at EONutrition suggests to help the body clear oxalates, but those are mostly operating as binders, not dissolving the oxalate crystals. Together, both approaches are making this needed process far more tolerable. Given our ages, we believe we need to get them out as quickly and as safely as possible!
Appreciate the info on lumbrokinase
Lumbrokinase is used for DVT and other related issues, so benefits could have come from these being improved.
Real Coffee and dark chocolate smooth out the oxalate dump.
Is that same as Nattokinase?
Also why does it have to be out of you fast?
Are they nit oxylates chocolate?
Very interesting discussion. Also a bit unnerving. Just when you think you've got it together, one's body decides to dump some oxalates and wham...back to being Sherlock Holmes! Good to be aware of all this stuff. Our amazing bodies❤
Am told the book recommended cooking chicken with ShakeNBake and eating apple fruit bars. So put back my credit card.❤. But continue to be SO grateful for your videos generally.
If you’re talking about Sally Norton’s Toxic Superfoods, the book includes descriptions pf MULTIPLE different types of meal plans and different ways to gradually cut back on oxalates. Sally herself didn’t do well on all carnivore and had to add in some liw ox plant foods. It’s still a highly valuable book.
Please don't abandon RUMBLE!! Love your work.
Honestly! When I started carnivore, after the first two weeks, passing urine hurt! And I believe I was oxalates detoxing! Two months in and now I have no issues and all my stomach issues healed! Thank you for your valuable information! I cannot thank you guys enough!
Thanks for all these very legit warnings, Dr. Chaffee! These compounds are no joke for a lot of people!
@honeyfunk
Not sure about why that's happening, Leila. I appreciate chatting with you!
@@honeyfunk
Yes, 🥲😮💨
Dr. Chaffee - I thought Id share an interesting observation - I have found that even low oxalate spices or a tiny bit of some spices cause bad watering and pain in my one eye that has had surgery. Wish all this food info was available sooner. But thank you for all your videos. They have been helpful!
If you eat cheese with oxalate they bind to that calcium in the cheese whilst it’s in your gut and you poop them out , rather than the body reabsorbing them back into the blood stream and showing up in the kidneys as stones … I had a 10 ml stone last year after doing carnivore diet for a month and had a dumping . 😭. 43 days of agony waiting for surgery ..
I appreciate the shorter versions. I would like to have a link to the full podcast though
Outstanding interview we been doing carnivore for 8 days to improve health thanks Dr Chaffee
Fun fact. The human body actually makes its own oxalic acid. Not very much, but the mechanism for antifreeze killing humans and other animals is that it forces the body to overproduce oxalic acid/form crystals. The oxalic acid and oxilate crystals then kill the person/animal. Even those who survive often have permanent damage.
Also, taking vitamin C on carnivore or low carb can force the overproduction of oxalic acid (just to a lesser extent).
I also read once that the "calcium scores" from peoples arteries are actually calcium oxilates. I'm not sure about that last one, but why not those little suckers are insidious.
How lessen the calcium score in heart ?
I took a lot of potassium citrate during my first year on carnivore and still had oxalate induced vertigo attacks at night couple of times.
Does that mean they were in your brain?
@@ianstuart5660 Probably, never had vertigo before, or after the first carnivore year dumps. I had a lot of plaque forming almost overnight on my lower teeth at that time too.
I’ve been carnivore for just over a month (Lion since January 1), but I was plant-based for the last 20 years. I’m going through phases of oxalate dumping. Nasty stuff coming out of my eyes. Random skin ulcers that heal fast. Acne comes and goes, but is mostly gone for the first time in 35 years. Occasional diarrhea, but IBS was fixed on day one of carnivore. Itchy skin comes and goes. Random short stomach aches with gas. I can’t wait for that garbage to be completely out of my system. I may have weaned had I found this video before so many others that prompted me to commit. I flipped a switch and went full carnivore in one day. And I’m taking calcium carbonate powder for indigestion heartburn if I eat or drink too close to bedtime. I pray I don’t get another kidney stone. I’ve passed three. 😖
Have you heard of ( Chance piedra) it helps pass the stones you have and avoids new ones. I passed 3 last year and that helped me, now I only take occasionally when I start feeling a symptom. I don't know if it's Carnivore approved but it solves the problem without having to go to the hospital
For indigestion/hurtburn start to drink Apple cider vinegar 01 tablespoon after meal. Increase with the time. Do not drink alcalis at all! Ruin your digestion all the way down.
Thank you
I'm have many oxalate stones from to many spinach smoothies.this info is great .will be ordering book you were talking about.My uroligist only want to help thru lithotripsy.Thanks again this information is awesome.
11:30 mentions Sally Norton's new book "Toxic Superfoods" on oxylates, etc. (She herself suffered starting as a child of 11 - and later on, figured this stuff out and dedicated her life to studying it.)
I use magnesium citrate
Coming through insane oxalate dumping since August 2023. Think it's slowing down. Crystals, sand, needles, gunk emerged from all kinds of uncomfortable places. Psoriasis (which I'd never had) and more. Carnivore since January 2023. No dairy Carnivore since January 2024. Hoping the end is in sight.
Thanks so much for the video.
Why would you drop dairy?
It has no detrimental effect on us.
I had to stop dairy because of my auto immune conditions. Constipation 😢 ... as I heal, my tolerance for it is slightly improved. But was seriously not good for me then.
I'm allergic to cow milk allergy and some things I noticed definitely I can have some skim milk , pizza once in a blue moon but it has to do with the cheese content , I use to eat alot of cheese before I found out of allergy, and oh my goodness big difference, believe it or not we all are allergic to cow milk
@@mediumtraceylockwoodwhoa I'm allergic to cow milk , I can have some skim milk but I have to be mindful, I have noticed a lot since I don't eat dairy it's so bad I can't eat ice cream I have not had ice cream for a long time , milk is not really good for anyone the enzyme of that cell chemical in it everyone is allergic
Thanks!
Thank you very much!
Thank you for posting about dairy and oxalate dumping. I’ve been carnivore for almost 4 months and keep having these periods of time that I get extreme vertigo & migraines. I’ve noticed it was when I ate yogurt, kefir or whole milk but didn’t understand the connection. Now I think I was dumping oxalates due to the dairy. I will stay away from dairy or limit it greatly. Thanks very much!
Dairy do not contain oxilates
Just recently, I've noted a correlation with the times I over indulge in cheese, and an increase in the skin breakouts around my eyes, and the tartar on my teeth.
First time I've ever heard this!!!!!
I'm so willing to be on board! Love the science you speak of.. really helps me understand what is going on..
So, I have a sick pancreas and liver. Also told i have excess toxins- stress is what I figured... I've been told not to eat any fat which make the pancreas work harder in digestion... not to drink milk, eat cheese, or oils. (Instead to eat greens greens greens.. sugar omitted, grain omitted)
How will the carnivore diet affect this?
It all started when I started drinking my sisters raw cow milk and cream. I dream a lot. Want more than a month and it Felt like my belly/abs was being ripped in two.
The Oxalates and milk spoken of sounds like that might have been what I was experiencing.
Any help as I move forward on this...
Thank you
Kiwi, raspberries and gigs are high in oxalates but almost all other gruits are low in oxalates.
Watching this while sipping a mug of high oxalate hot chocolate half and half with coffee. Five yrs on carnivore. This little bit won't hurt me, but I just came in from really cold outside.😀
Haven’t tried chocolate in my coffee yet.
Catrus, plenty of people cheat a bit and still have amazing results. It’s not about only beef and salt for most of us, but those with stubborn health issues. Just living Carnivore with an occasional cheat is VERY SUSTAINABLE
@@catsrus2890 hater I’m sure people on whatever diet you’re on has cheated I would never eat any plant material ever again personally and plenty can agree
@@catsrus2890 according to you they would be off it why is that you’re OPINION?
@@catsrus2890 Switch to 'newest' comments and see how many times your comments appear.
Could you please provide a reference link to the full length podcast when sampling yourself? Thank you very much.
Dr Osborne just put out a good video very balanced on the CV diet. I recommend it
Sally Norton recommends lemon juice and or small amount of carrot to slow down oxalate dumping. I have massive watery diarrhoea from detoxing too quickly, after a year on carnivore, also crystals in eyes and itchht skin rash . Takes years to rid body of oxalates
Great information, thank Doc !!!!
It is always smart to do some independent research on things found on you tube.
True. I researched the carnivore diet for over a year, then found a NIH study proving Carnivore having an overwhelming positive effect on ulcerative colitis. I showed it to my husband and he was convinced to try it. After 25 years of extremely active UC, with several near death events, he was put in full remission within 6 weeks. He had his regularly scheduled colonoscopy at that point and his doctor was in utter shock there was zero active disease, just scaring from the years of uncontrolled inflammation, bleeding and ulcers. All his polyps were gone as well.
Every treatment and drug from the doctor did nothing but add horrendous side effects on top of the disease. Carnivore is a healing practice more effective for autoimmune issues than everything found inside a pharmacy.
But that doesn't make doctors and hospitals any money so it has to be vilified
@@tjkasglDon't let the title "Dr" fool you
I'm 1 year away to be a pharmacy graduate
I'm just a kid they taught me simple brain dead stuff then put a title on my forehead
Diabetes> metformin
Headache> Panadol
These guys on YT know every left and right
They tell you there studied this compound/technique on group of people here's the results (and they work!) etc
I have almost 10% knowledge
Compare regular doctor to normal individual NEVER to these guys
What about sweating in a sauna? Would that help with oxalate dumping?
I think a bit but if you keep eating oxalates above 100 mg it is hard to get rid of them
Does vitamin B6/vitamin B1 help mitigate the oxalate overload/dumping process?
I use to eat alot of spinch more than collard greens, i eat more collard greens every now and than not so much like spinch but i have been noticing alot of different foods and such which ones bring ra flare ups arthritis and so on , too much of any thing is not good but a good fast cleanse and change the way you eat does help and make a difference, its amazing, the keto is not for everyone nor is the carnv but we do need meat not bugs for go green, , im glad this video is good info , ibs and cow milk allergies are not good i hope this helps my nutrition eating more meats strange more chicken instead of too many steaks more hamburger meat than steak or roast and tuna or salmon every now and then more veggies and fruits rice as well
so what do you do then? you go carnivore and eat small amounts of dairy? theres no way to dissolve the stones before it gets to the point of no return?
i would like to know too
oxalates bind with calcium in plants. This is the way plants sequestrate excess calcium because they can't regulate it through feedback mechamisms. Calcium oxalate is insoluble, so how does it suddenly dissociate in the body and result in eventual phytotoxicity?
14:50 calcium (dairy) can bind oxylates for excretion
Good to know. Thanks
The prevalence of antibiotic use in contemporary times has led to a notable increase in issues related to oxalates. Within the human gut, there exists a crucial bacterium, Oxalobacter formigenes, responsible for managing oxalate levels. Unfortunately, the widespread use of antibiotics has been associated with a reduction in the colonies of O. formigenes, exacerbating problems related to oxalate metabolism. Vitamin C undergoes conversion into oxalate during the process of metabolism, with oxalate absorption being contingent upon the health of your gut.
That's interesting. Is there a way to repair it?
@@ValidityJ Never take antibiotics again and drink kefir from raw milk on regular basis. Spend time in nature, don't be afraid to get down and dirty. The richer the internal microbiome the healthier you will be.
I have been reading up on oxalate! I have been weaning myself off!
Thanks again DR Chaffee! Your videos have changed my life and I'm still carnivore after 1 year, it´s incredible!
I´m just wondering if oxalates have a part to play in accelerating CTE and brain injury in sports players? The more I read about it the more I´m convinced that the high carb, high oxalate diets athletes are on has to compound these problems. Would be interesting to hear your take on it since you use to play rugby.
Good question!
Hey everyone, Sally Norton just did an interview with Peak Performance channel, a week ago or so, and it’s a good, comprehensive cover of this topic. I’ve listened to many of her interviews including the one she did with Dr Chaffee. I have her book and follow her website. She mentioned that fruit juices do not contain oxalates, while vegetable juices do contain oxalates. This is an important distinction and counterintuitive. This is valuable information for someone like me following a seasonal way of eating. Whatever berries I grow in summer in my NE USA location, I want to learn how to process. Or if that’s an option. Currently, my attitude about all my planted berry bushes is: happy to feed the birds. Cheers.
I buy veggies and grow a garden to feed my hens. I then eat their eggs
Off Oxalates for 3yrs… been very hard!! thank you Sally k Norton for your book. Can’t do with just diet, need to replace minerals, calcium and detoxify slowly and carefully… as per her book Toxic Super foods. High in Nuts, spinach, beets, sweet potatoes, chocolate etc also sugar makes it and liver genetically can make Oxalates
Thank you!
Hello:) how long you been doing carnivore and how long it took you to get rid of oxalate dumping?
How to do slowly?
Read the book Toxic supper foods and/or google lists of Oxalate foods and restrict intake to under 100gm/day. Look up Sally K Norton on u tube or website
Borax and Chanca piedra break them down and soften them to easily pass through the body. Also do the liver and gallbladder cleans to rid the body of the stones.
Interesting I was just wondering if borax helps to detox or break down oxalates. Do you have a resource that I could read about this?
@@chancydeanna1634 I do not. Im my own experiment .
If we avoid oxalates then isn't it easier on our gut rather than chow oxalates then try to purge it from our system ?
So, with so much good being said about “sprouts”, how many oxalates are found in say, broccoli sprouts?
Oxalic acid is used as rust remover and timber stripper. Nasty stuff.
Great info isn't it. But I have to remark as a smart ass to your comment. With oscillates at least we won't rust on the inside like the Tinman and stay away from my woody. Just had to do it.
I Live You All!
Please Document your statements better, I can't find any paper on 5 crystals contributing to Gout. Some head of some journal What??? I want to read it and utilize it. Can anyone supply me with the source?
Most fruit and vegetables are low in oxalates.
I am currently experiencing the Keto Rash around my neck, I am on 2 weeks strict carnivore. What should I do?
I started carnivore but WOW dumping oxalates is no joke. I’m having awful pain. No Rx helps. I’m a nurse and just walking is excruciating & awful paIn at night. I have Sally Nortons book to help but still not doing well. Was vegetarian x17yrs :(. Her fees are so high and months to get a consultation. This has ruined my last 1-1/2 yrs. I pray new research comes out!! Still want to lean towards carnivore for autoimmune and gut issues
Keep on!i was 14 yrs vegetarian...you ll wake up one day and you ll be as good as new.
Look up trying low oxalate diet. Susan Owens is the scientist discovering oxalates, the website has spread sheets of all the foods that have been tested at the University of Wyoming. Woman should not eat more than 50 mg according to Susan, but go down slowly. Men can eat 60mg. . I have followed this info for 71/2 years with no more kidney stones or any aches and pains.
struggling with terrible joint pain here too - especially knees - that I didn't have until months into carnivore. It seems to just get worse!
You may want to try taking Diatomaceous Earth. It is high in silica which helps with cleaning out and lubricating joints and ligaments. It has been a game changer for me
Borax , Boron
I have tons of tiny white crystals all over my clothes from oxalates.
I experienced oxalate dumping after 1 year of strict carnivore. Had simultaneous gout and kidney stones for a few days. Its clear now.
Are there any dairy free calcium rich foods which are also low in oxalalates?
Canned salmon and sardines with bones.
Hi Anthony, I recently started a lion diet (3 weeks) and last night I noticed my thinning hairline. I'm 65 full head of hair. Any ideas or tips? Could it just be too rapid a change to diet? Cheers
I've been using castor oil topically on thinning areas of my hair (above temples) and have noticed a difference in those areas having more/thicker hair now.
I would love to know what about cancer and heart disease.It seems that even parasite cleanses don't want meat.The heat going back to the plants
Our liver itself makes lots and lots of oxilates. Just make sure to get your calcium when consuming high oxilate;spinach.....
It’s possible to make oxalate rich vegetables edible - eg. by fermentation. Fermenting red beets has been a tradition in Europe for a very long time. Guess why. In ancient South America, potatoes were grated, dried in the sun, then watered and then dried again to remove solanines. There have been techniques all over the world to make plants edible. Today people believe that they can eat every vegetable raw. Not a good idea.
On Carnivore diet with Black Pepper and Tea. Seem to be having some psuedo gout pains in toes. Do I just stop both cold turkey or stop tea and then Pepper later on?
Tea and pepper are both very toxic.
Pepper has tons of oxalates too
2:45
is that why people on vegetarian and vegan diets have poorer bone structure/strength?