Ben 10 Transphobia (+ An Apology To The Ink Tank)
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- Опубліковано 14 жов 2024
- #ben10 #discussion #trans #transgender #transpride #lgbt #apology #education @TheInkTank @keepingitfizzy8717 @TheRustBucket
This video idea has been on my mind for a while, and I knew it would get some negative reception, so I decided I might as well lump another topic that I've been thinking about for a while, and put them both together for one big controversial video.
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I like to think that Celestialsapien babies happen when a Celestialsapien just Agrees to be a parent. And then BOOM, baby appears.
That could certainly make sense!
Man, the way celestalsapiens work is so funny
Is like:
"I want to create a universe made of chocolate"
And just fucking happens
@@Goku-gi9yo I would beg a Celestalsapiens turn me into whatever I wanted to be.
@@Goku-gi9yoother celestialsapien: DUDE! You didn’t ask for permission! I’m changing it back
One personality: Maybe baby?
Second personality: No, motion denied, next
Yeah no I agree. Ben would definitely be in the “Who gives a shit what people identify as.” Mindset and groan when he hears transphobic remarks.
EXACLY!!! I feel this comment so hard
Ben now is really the type of person to go: “I don’t care if you’re a man, woman, a baby, or someone’s grandparent, you mess with me, I mess with you”
@@Grag235Ben = Yu Yu Hakusho Yosuke but better?!
(Just a Joke here, but)
He is also in the "My (weaponised appendages) are rated E for Everybody"
@@yamato9753 as Batman once said.
“The fists of justice are unisex.”
The point of Ben 10 is “walking a mile in someone else’s shoes” I can’t think of a more pro trans thing, imagine having the time and energy to attack people because of how they identify themselves
Fr, and to attack people over how they identify themselves in a fanbase surrounding a children's cartoon franchise of all things
As someone who isn't trans, unnecessary hatred to someone's way of life is pretty petty and makes no sense.
It's also nice to know when you've made a mistake and it was resolved peacefully and you have said your apologies.
Fr, I can never understand transphobes.
Also, yep! Learnt my mistake, made my apology, now just time to prove that I learnt my lesson and keep doing what I do best!
@@KirigiriKirin how can u not understand transphobes ? Its pretty simple
@@GmrGod10000 And I can't understand why you're so invested in tearing other people down. Get a better hobby.
@@KirigiriKirin thats not the reason
The idea of segmentsapiens building a child is hilarious to me because it’s just a Lego build.
Reminds me of the robots movie lol
Maybe they reproduce like salmon where the female lays eggs and the male fertilises them only with lego fragments and some kind of binding agent from the male causing the fragments to melt and fuse together into a slurry and form a child.
Ah yes. Transphobia from fans of the show where the main character solves problems by becoming different aliens with different personalities and even says "I'm one of everybody"
And sorry you've been having to deal with that bs
It's okay, Yellow Flash! And yeah, those particular people in the fandom are absurd
Yeah hating on trans but liking the dude who TRANSforms is crazy
The he/him protagonist literally says that he's a mother!
Fr lol
and calls an alien "the worse" because that species doesn't have any useful powers for his use
I also would like to point out that in Alien Force within the Big Chill Episode, Ben did exude traits of being pregnant eventhough he was in human form.
This is true also!
I agree.
@@KirigiriKirinI often play with Ben as a transman. It's fun!
Outside of weird pregnancy cravings, yeah. Although the smoothie flavors he drinks are weird to begin with, and yet he knocks Max's cuisine for some reason.
@@helixsol7171might be a different in that ben chooses to get those flavors compared to max as Ben's younger self didn't like smoothies
Your response to the Ink Tank was genuine. We are humans and we can jump the gun on our responses sometimes when it’s something we care about. And sometimes we trip when we do it but what matters is fixing what you can and growing to learn from it. It’s times like these that humility is needed by all
Thank you for this comment, Drull!
Oh....hm... I would argue that having t*ts does classifie kinda to mammel, but agree, that doesn't automaticly means two genetalia sex, there are egg laying mammels
I think it means they have characteristics analogous to mammals like the presence of milk-producing mammary glands for feeding their young, a neocortex region of the brain, fur or hair, and three middle ear bones but doesn't necessarily mean they fit under the same phylum so just because it has fur and mammary line structures doesn't indicate any intrinsic mammal-ness
@@airplanes_aren.t_real I did not think of this this intricet, I just assumed the presente of enlarged breasts indicates the presentse of milk (or some liquid with similar function) to feed their youngs... And this might indicates mammalien biology, at lest we do not know really different ones, but as I said, there are egg laying mammels, and technicly platyapuses has no nipples (look it up, they "sweat" milk, and use the mother's fur to suck the milk😅) soooo😅
But again, I absolutly see where you are coming from
To be very pedantic, no alien can be a mammal. To avoid getting into the weeds of taxonomy, a mammal is essentially any creature that descended from the life form in Earth's history that developed mammary glands, and no alien is descended from them. You could call them a mammal in a casual non-scientific way, essentially saying that the alien resembles mammals, but they technically wouldn't be one no matter how closely they resemble one.
But also most sci-fi stuff ignores this and treats mammals, reptiles, birds, etc. as descriptive categories rather than a mark of lineage.
I mean, gwens wildvine had breasts, so im gonna go with kiris definition here
@@prestonlogan3808 I mean, I get you, but plants have genders (or st least many, not all) so "male" and "female" (if ve really want to categorise) do exist there too... So even that, can imagine a plant based life form also have an organ that function as breast
Proud of you for speaking out!
Thank you, Bonnie! I've wanted to speak out for ages but didn't want to get into a pointless argument. This topic is really important to me, though, so in the end I just decided to face the subject head on!
Fun fact is that in Brazil Portuguese translations, which are kinda official, Ben reffered to Pesky Dust as female when talking about how dangerous the alien would be to Kai, but aliens like WildMutt in portuguese would have the female pronouns because of the genders of the words in Portuguese, cuz "Besta" (Brazillian name for WildMutt) is a female word. But PeskyDust doesn't fall into this word play, and is mostly considered actually female by Ben himself in the show.
That is because our languages pronoun system is different
“Besta” is not a Female Word. It’s just the word “Beast” or “Wild Animal” in portuguese. Also i never noticed that, i thought that they made an error.
@@哲二川上 Using male pronouns for that word is an error
@@FrancisTheBerdi see
@@哲二川上 Portuguese is a romance language and all of them have gendered words and objects, in the case of Portuguese there is feminine and masculine, both depending on the context can stand as neutral ones
As someone who can take a lot of my mindset regarding sexual orientation from early 2000s to mid-2010s, you can be whatever you want as long as I am not forced it upon myself. To each their own as long as you aren't a jerk or obnoxious.
Absolutely agreed! This is the best way to be! Let people live, don't enforce your beliefs onto others, and just try to get by without making life hell for everyone else!
@@KirigiriKirin, one of my personal ideas about Ben 10 and how the Omnitrix becomes latched to an individual comes from Race Against Time. It's confirmed Ben is 100% a database of all the aliens in it during multiple continuities. So on a DNA level Ben is an entire spectrum.
I get the “as long it’s not forced on me” ideology, but it seems people only bring that up to argue against characters being gay or trans because they’ll see those characters existing in that way as “forced” on the Audience when it’s not, it’s just them existing while queer that they don’t like. A lot of transphobes and bigots see that as forcing on children especially which is ridiculous because I’ve only seen cis straight characters in movies and tv until I was old enough to watch shameless, and I still came out queer.
@@joeyscomics5197 I use it because I have a transgender sibling. She's still the baby in the family, I still care about her, we're still making bus drivers uncomfortable while we still talk and reminisce over ourselves doing Shrek impressions waiting on the bus to get to us. That's why I say, I'm not forced to do anything and I am not in a place where it's uncomfortable because it's still the same person who I grew up with rather than acting any different, just choosing to identify differently because that's who they are.
@@D_0_S I’m happy you’re so supportive of them. I was just bringing it up because most people that I’ve heard say “do what you want just don’t force it on me” don’t know the difference between just bringing up trans people and forcing someone to transition. On paper it’s a reasonable thing to say but I’ve seen it used by bigots just covering their back.
Its important to know that "Gender" and "Sex" mean entirely different things
Yep yep!
This is a proposition that no one but gender theorists need to accept. It is not something you "know," but believe.
Wrong. John Money's work was atrocious.
Ben changes form MULTIPLE TIMES EVERY EPISODE and trans people simply want to do so ONCE.
Then he's Gender-Fluid, more accurately
@@KirigiriKirin not how I would put it, but with what you explained in the video, it does make sense.
but he can transform back into his usual self at will though
Good video. I am non-binary myself and I have seen some anti-LGBTQ prejudice in the Ben 10 fandom. Personally, I think part of the reason for the presence of some intolerant people is because the Ben 10 franchise has a lack of obvious, canon LGBTQ characters. I have some character who I personally head canon as LGBTQ (Professor paradox, Lucy Mann, etc) but there is a lack of canon LGBTQ characters who would be obvious to the average Ben 10 fan. In general, the more canon LGBTQ characters you have in a series, the less likely you are to find anti-LGBTQ people in the fandom. It is not impossible to find anti-LGBTQ fans of LGBTQ friendly series (I once saw a video made by an ant-gay Christian who was a Steven Universe fan) but it is less likely.
As a side note, I think the Ink tank are generally perceived as LGBTQ allies. They have had Pride flags in the background of many videos, I think they have collaborated with LGBTQ content creators and they have talked about shipping two Ben 10 characters in a queer relationship (Attea and Looma Red Wind). I have never seen any anti-LGBTQ bigotry coming from the Ink Tank and I would be surprised if I came across some.
Also, personally, I consider Big Chill's species to be parthenogenic. Parthenogenesis is where a female produces offspring without having their egg fertilized. There is one species of lizard, called the whiptail lizard, in which every member of that species is female and parthenogenically produces eggs. I consider Big Chill's species to be entirely female, like that real world lizard species. I believe Ben considers Big Chill to be the mother of his necrofriggian kids, lending to the idea that Big Chill is female. Of course, people can interpret it differently, thats just my take.
Interesting take!
Simple answear, not all Ben 10 fans are from the western world. There are fans from Eastern Europe, Middle East, or other parts of the world. Not only religion, but the culture in general.
So sorry this has been happening to you! As someone who identifies as Genderfluid, a big reason I became comfortable in my own body is because of Ben 10! Being the person you are inside, regardless of what body you inhabit. I too have experienced parts of the fandom that feels this way. It's unfortunate, but the people in the fanbase I have grown close to (which is a very good handful) and the creators I know all do not support this transphobic attitude adopted by those parts of the fanbase. Thanks for talking about this, and I hope you're doing ok!
Wishing you a wonderful day! >x
Glad to hear the drama with The Ink Tank was cleared up. Still kinda curious what the whole issue was, but I suppose that’s not my business.
Onto the main topic of the video: the franchise as a whole just doesn’t lend itself well to bigoted world views, thematically speaking. That said, some people just don’t want to engage with themes, so I think the series probably should’ve done better with explicit representation (especially in the main cast), rather than just metaphorical representation, that would’ve probably done a better job at deterring bigots from the fandom. That said, that’s probably a problem with higher ups at Cartoon Network/Warner Bros though, so I don’t hold it against the actual writing team.
Only thing I can say is more than a majority of Aliens Ben has access to are male but because the Omnitrix mixes his DNA and consciousness with theirs examples being Upgrade, Nanomech, Wildmutt etc. with those being more confirmed with how they're species is too animalistic or too mechanical which explains why Wildmutt even Ultimate or Ben 10K's versions lack the same appearance of his species.
Valid arguments!
That Arburian Pelarota jacket goes hard!
Thank you! I think it's badass too lol
Kiri, don’t blame yourself over the drama, you thought you were doing the right thing by trying to help someone in need, I think the way the Ink Tank responded was horrible, but the way you handled that response makes you really mature and the bigger person, and I respect you for that
Thank you, Grag! I didn't want to just make things worse, so I took their words on the chin, buckled down and just decided to move on. Life is too short to argue!
@@KirigiriKirin No problem! Yeah, I completely get that, I’ve been in so much drama, that I just decided to stay away from it all, I got into drama cause i wanted to help people, but it only made my mental state worse
@Grag235-Translation-younput yourself in situations bothering people
@@christianmathew398 I broke up with people I dated, and they attacked me for breaking up with them, you got some issues if that’s me bothering them💀
As someone who is a cis male, I always find myself deeply interested in transgender peoples takes on things I grew up with. Things like Bionicle, and now Ben 10, have changed so much now that I've had the chance to glimpse through the eyes of someone who read the source material so differently, and frankly more personally than myself. Thank you for what you're doing for this community!
Edit: This doesn't just go for Trans people, but pretty much all LGBTQ+ identifying people, and People of color. I've learned so much about media I adore thanks to marginalized people's own take-aways and readings of said media, and I could not be more grateful thay these people are sharing their experiences!
Being transphobic in the Ben 10 fandom is nuts. One of my flags is literally referred to as a “Ben 10” flag and another looks like something you’d see in the show as a flag some alien species would make for Ben. Ben would think that people being transphobic makes no sense.
(Also the funniest thing about people saying you can only go with what you were assigned as birth, is funny to me because I was assigned a gender long before my birth and before my parents knew. My grandpa predicted me being a guy and my mom decided to chose a more neutral name because of that.)
Lmao, you proved all them wrong!
Please tell me what your flags are I want to know what the Ben 10 flag looks like
@@Carfleeze Agender and Uniromantic(I use the green flag and not the red strike one cause it fits better when my flags are side by side). My sibling was the one who brought the Agender flag looking like the og omnitrix to my attention cause they always ask me about flags they’ve never seen and when they saw the flag while looking at the pride name cards on overwatch they asked “what’s this Ben 10 flag?”
@@FTMothman Yo that Uniromantic flag is actually sick :0
I would argue that Ben is Gender Fluid rather than Trans, but works either way.
I would agree with that argument, but Gender Fluid is sometimes agreed to be part of the overall trans umbrella, such as with Non-Binary people as well!
Genderfluid and speciesfluid.
@@harrietr.5073 full title would be a Gender fluid, Omni ethnic, poly species, deitine.
If you wanted to be specific, then yeah, but as gender fluidity is a part of the concept of transgender, saying ben is trans isn't inherently wrong.
well since ben is not real and also a singular case and not a community its hard to fit him in to one box. Hell with some of the playlists having their own identities and individuality it kinda makes it an even bigger can of worms. Closest we could use irl would prob be multigender.
About the whole LGBT+ thing, my mantra is "live and let die". As long as you are a good people, why should i even care about how do you feel? You desserve to be happy.
My problem is with the group that makes more sound, that looks like they just want to be the center of everything
I agree with this entirely!
As long as you aren't harming anyone, you can believe whatever tf you want inside your own head.
Be respectful, be kind, be happy.
People who are religious who like Ben 10 that aren't transphobic I have a question so how would the angel Gabriel react to meeting Ben 10 just wondering also hope you're having a good day Kirin
Hello, Trix! I am having an absolutely WONDERFUL day/gen
I hope you are well! >x
@@KirigiriKirin I am having a good day
Do you mean Gabriel from Ultrakill or from the Bible?
dap him up. nuff said
@@randomsmartguy9544 the Bible
Being transphobic in a fandom about a shapeshifter is a wild and frankly dumb take.
How?
Fiction ≠ Reality
Ben also hasn't been shown to change gender, if he could then he would've turned into a female Tetraman
I'm usually joking under your videos, Kiri, but I want to be genuine for this one.
This is probably the best way you could have handled the situation. When people defend their beliefs it's common for them to get antagonistic and angry, which can undermine their points, but there isn't a slightest bit of negativity in this video, despite addressing people who are ready to send actual death threats over their own beliefs.
I'm glad you've done it this way, and my only wish is for this fandom to become a bit... closer together. We aren't many, but our hearts are filled with endless passion for this franchise.
Exactly! Lets all come together :)
Ill work on a omnitrix like that but give me some time and at least one exile.
Everyone acting transphobic like ben wouldn't find a way to use the gender swapping mode on the Omnitrix to help people like he did with the specie swap mode did to the hybreed
Fr lol
but ben can change back to human so hes not really trans
read it again @@GmrGod10000
He wouldn't, because he doesn't care.
@@TheAbondonedCircus exactly
I like to think celestialsapiens reproduce by breaking a piece of their horn off and pressing it into the partners broken horn piece
Similar to Octopi!
@@KirigiriKirin if you say so
I don't get it. There were lots of transgender, homosexuals and others. I don't have a problem.
That's because you're a wonderful person in a fandom that is mostly wonderful, with just a small number of very loud bad people
@@KirigiriKirin well, I am a 21 year old boy but I dont identify myself as homosexual, gay, straight or something. Whenever I like see females, I typically blushed and thats just normal. If a boy blushed to a guy, that's okay. Despite the presence of transphobia, they too are people and they have life. We have to treat them as they are literally people, not an animal that doesn't belong because THAT is not us.
And yes, we must have a better Ben 10 community, but more importantly; Be better than ourselves.
Absolutely agreed!
i dont see any good logical and more importantly morally reason to be transphobic, i have several trans friends and seeing them be bogged down by the shit of the world breaks my heart so thank you for speaking out about this
Always happy to preach my truth, Pluage!
there is logical reasons for being transphobic, and some people dont have many morals
Great video! I thought that you put your points across very well and agree that there both is a transphobia problem in the fandom and that it needs to be addressed. I hope this reaches out to people and helps them understand.
Although on a lighter note, a couple years ago someone suggested Ben being nonbinary to me for a lot of similar reasons to a lot of the things that you brought up in this video and my third eye opened and have kinda held onto that since.
Hehe, it makes more sense than you'd think!
I know this is serious but transphobes being a fan of a tv show where the mc transforms almost every episode, you would expect it to be trans ally heavy but here we are.
For real, it's so wild to me
Ben 10 watchers who only care about the action aren’t real fans (joking)
because turning into aliens and changing ur sex is different 😂 plus ben can turn back to human
@@GmrGod10000 a device that plays with not only your genetic code but also your atomic structure, It's not unbelievable to see the omnitrix change Ben to a female human. It didn't happen in the show but it's not impossible.
@@curiouswind9196 but its not canon so doesnt count
Well i dont have hate for trans people and i dont have problems but for some reason when i saw feed back with the trans flag in the eye it looks a bit funny how his eye looks closed yet sorta like a frog eye
I was thinking that when editing the thumbnail lol
@@KirigiriKirin yeah also I made hoodlum stick figure model and I wanna ask what you think of it?
Hypnotoad
It makes me wonder will you talk about on how u feel about the Chaquetrix & Carnitrix which is becoming very very popular in the Ben 10 Fandom lately
I am CONSIDERING it. I don't much like them, but I will consider it
@@KirigiriKirin You dont need to like them since they are sus after all cant deny that but they keep the Ben 10 Fandom Active & interesting since what if ben 10 can summon the aliens rather then turning into them which makes it more fun oof lol
Ok, let s forget that ben 10 is a kid show, where they couldn't really show the genitals on ben's aliens. Even tho some aliens could've been identified as asexual, a lot of them can be divided by there gender via colors, biological structure etc. . Also there is no specefied proof of a gender swaping function in the omitrix, probably becuse Azmuth didn't think much of the change in experience when you would wear the watch. Anyway I'm glad that you shared such personal part of your life with us. 😊
I’m kinda surprised that Ben 10 of all cartoons has some people in the fanbase being transphobic, do to it literally being the best allegory for trans people but go figures.
I’m glad you also make a follow up on the Kuro allegations, I’m glad both parties resolve the issue and hopefully in the future you don’t jump head first again.
Amazing video as always Kiri!
Thank you, Lycan! I'll keep doing my best!
That's allegory for you. Why should I be impressed that you made things work out in fiction? We live in reality.
@@Oera-B Wtf are you on about? Nobody asked you to be impressed about anything and also I hope you do realize that storytellers when making fiction do use reality as a basis for their stories, as well as the allegory that come from it. Also reality is trans people do exist and don't deserve the hate that comes from bigoted mindsets.
Indeed you speak the truth! But I think the only transformation that Ben really sees as non male is Big Chill. Becouse the few times we heard Ben talk about his kids he said that he was their mother. So Ben at the very least has no problem with seeing himself as she if he transforms into female only species (and I use the word female becouse Big chill was able to give birth)
Agreed
i love this video because i feel like there are SO MANY fandoms where transphobia/ homophobia literally make no sense because the media itself never condemns the lgbt community, and is most of the time supportive of it
Fr
i dont have to support the same thing a piece of media supports to enjoy that piece of media
@@GmrGod10000 that's true, but it also means you can't criticize the fandom for supporting it when the media also does/is neutral on the topic.
I think alot of peoples anger and distaste comes from the idea of people being so desperate to see their identity in a character, they’ll make head canon and then call someone homophobic because you don’t agree with the sentiment (not saying this in reference to you, just saying I’ve seen it alot)
Ex. Trying to apply the label of “transgender” to Ben……he’s not and never is….all his transformations are male. This is made apparent by the fact that he is used as a *genetic base* for his transformations. Granted, yes, there are different methods of reproduction depending on the species…..but all species shown have been Male/Female oriented from what we’ve seen. People will see this and assume it’s a response based on some deep seated hatred to not have Ben be trans, but it’s just about accuracy for the character. Something that suddenly gets appreciated when a character that *actually is on the spectrum* is made to seem like they aren’t by any given person
(This phenomenon extends to many characters nowadays that shapeshift in general)
To say “I see similarities conceptually that I can compare to my identity and feel good about” is a wholly separate idea from “I want this character to be what I am, so I’m gonna be adamant that they are”
All this to say, both sides could definitely afford to be more tolerant.
Non Trans people of accepting that we live in a crazy new era with crazy new possibilities….the mere fact that we *can* change genders now is a wild leap in our concept of life.
And Trans people of the fact that, not every thing that shares similarities to you in character *has to be* of the same character. Transforming ≠ Transgender.
It almost feels kinda minimizing to just attribute transgenderism to any character that can turn into another gender…..cause isn’t it supposed to be more about what’s inside??
My statement on "Trans Ben" was purely for the sake of example, and not something I was actually trying to push. Apologies for the confusion!
@@KirigiriKirin No,no…I totally get that, I was just going off of that example as well to make my point! That’s definitely my bad for not being clear, I should have extended that addendum from the first paragraph to the entire comment
Ok I know alot off people are gonna write this but transphobia from a fandom whose main protagonist's power is to transform, yeah that sound like 2 brain cells competing for third place. Also don't beat yourself over the drama you thought you where helping someone and you responded in a mature way so don't worry about it. Keep up the amazing work and much respect for speaking how you feel mate.
Thank you! I'll keep doing my best! And yeah, I really can't understand these people in the fandom
because changing ur species and changing ur gender is different
i dissagree with the whole "ben is technically trans" thing but i do agree with the points. there was literally a whole episode with big chill being a "mom". he literally TRANS-forms into diffrent beings to solve problems and save the day. i get how thats very diffrent from transfering into a diffrent gender but still...like, thats basically saying you are all for furries but not trans people despite both being a part of the show technically.
That thing about Ben was just to make a point, I don't personally subscribe to that idea heh
I think a good interpretation that can be read as trans is this
When Ben transforms into big chill he biologically transforms into an asexual species.
If Ben retains his gender identity, viewing himself as male, then he is technically transmasc, since his gender identity does not match his physical sex during the transformation.
However if he does view himself as a different gender while transformed, then sure it might not mean he's trans in the sense of the first interpretation, but the fact that he identifies himself differently while transformed should still count mostly due to how fluid his identity could be.
Regardless which is the interpretation anyone prefers, I think the sheer fluidity of his transformations kinda makes his identity also fluid, whether his physical sex is what changes or his gender identity
how are furries in ben 10 bro what 😭
14:44 You did what you thought was best thats all anyone can do
Yep! What matters is learning from my mistakes and moving on!
Agreed
being transphobic in a fandom about a series where main characters main ability is transforming is wild
He transforms into other aliens duh are you really that dumb and those aliens are the biological males of those species
because changing ur species and gender is different
🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨Why do people act like that?🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨
Who knows! I'm sure it's mostly just lack of education and people wanting to be a part of something
The classic fear of change.And feeling that they feel trans people are trans because of hate.
i can confirm the tank is EXTREMELY pro trans, a lot of patrons are transgender
i might unsub from the because of that tbh
@@GmrGod10000 cope
@@ApollyonEclipse how is that cope 😭
@@GmrGod10000i was saying to cope.
As an autistic person who may seem “less” to peoples standards I myself think that being yourself is more important than pretending to be someone you aren’t as I consider myself am a straight male who is also a furry
1:20 you are preaching,and that’s totally true us kids say whatever from reasons ranging from thinking it’s funny to hate and it’s mostly whatever’s popular at the time heck I myself was a victim of this a couple years back cause anti lgbtq was everywhere in my area but really all it takes is one moment for it to change for me it was my friends revealing they are gay and trans and then that’s when I realized the whole anti lgbtq stuff was stupid,people are still people regardless of if they identify differently from birth, I mean why hate them for being comfortable with themselves
Exactly! Let people live!
I am a sacrifice to the algorithm.
ONE OF THE SYSTEM
Me personally I think that everyone no matter what sexuality or gender should be treated with respect and care
Preach!
8:06 I'm not sure if it's still canon but I saw somewhere that goop, and by extension his species (I'm just going off of Ben's pronouns for the sake of simplicity) is basically just one big cell and his planet is a cluster of cells. Making him either an asexual species or part of a larger whole
Interesting, I didn't know this!
To me petrosapien feel like jellyfish
Zero organs
Has regeneration
Lives in an environment very similar to itself.
Diamond doesn’t particularly age and Tetrax and diamond head look identical despite the age difference much like jellyfish capable of reverting themselves back into children.
While child petrosapian’s exist it’s possible they follow gemstone rules and just grow in size
Kiri:Transfobia is a big problem in the ben 10 fandom.
Me:WHAT.SINCE WHEN.HOW.
Kiri(probably): Twitter.Never used it?
Me:(sigh)Of course...Also no.
Kiri(probably): Lucky.
lol, surprisingly not on Twitter! Exclusively in the YT comment section!
Huh so it's not Twitter's fault for once.
For ONE, no.
Some kind of miracle istg lol
Frankly i dont really care what you identify as. So long as we all chill i dont care if you have a unicorn horn. You do you. Also thank you for bringing up big chill as they are an interesting point.
Mad respect for this take
@KirigiriKirin I am a scientist at heart, and I look at biology. So, your point on gender biology is interesting. Another point is that a lot of the species look the same, showing no sexual dimorphism. I respect people no matter what, as there is just no need for it. Also, you speak like a pure biologist and I approve.
@@thecrowfather1919 Fellow biologist!
@@KirigiriKirin aye brother
While Ben 10 has trans themes, it is important to also recognize the problematic implications of some of it's worldbuilding. Bioessentialism, in terms of race dictating behaviour. I really disliked Ink Tank's Apoplexia video basically calling Apoplexians stypid and trying to justify it with biology.
The Conductoid worldbuilding is also gender bioessentialism, it's literally the "Men are from Mars, women are from Venus", dressed up with electrical terms. Not to mention it's weirdly heteronormative, being gay can literally kill the conductoids.
And let's not forget this notion that Omnitrix transforms Ben into an "apex of the species". The idea that there even exists such a thing is straight up eugenics. The idea that you could just decide what the perfect specimen of a race looks like, when that's such a stupid subjective thing. Even in nature, evolution is such a slow process, because there really is no such thing as "the fittest", just fit and lucky enough to survive. Baboon females sneak off to copulate with meaker males because they giant, strong leaders of the pack are too aggressive for them. Lion males with the darkest manes are the msot attractive to females, but they also are the most likely to overheat in the savannah. There is no apex of a species, every feature might comes with upsides or downsides. And implying an apex is always neurotypical or able-bodied, or just "strong" is also disgusting.
as a transfem myself this video feels like a very needed discussion, i didn't experience transphobia in the fandom places myself (although that's probably because even if i comment something, which i rarely do, i never "revealed" my identity besides of bios or a small flag in my reddit icon, and usually people don't immediately go look at my profile i guess) but wherever there's a queer person unfortunately there's also gonna be queerphobic people, so this is an important discussion to have and you did a great job as always. I also never thought about "trans Ben" but damn if it's true 😹
I'm glad that I am able to represent people like you with this video, Alez! All the love to you!
Now I don’t often comment on videos but as someone who hasn’t come out yet in my personal life and by extension my legal identity I’ve only faced what could be considered transphobia by 3 people and even then the only person who did it the most has gotten over this and it and become a better person and the other two may have just forgotten I’m trans. But none the less I just came here to comment for the algorithm and to say the idea of this fandom having transphobia is depressing in nature and Ben would absolutely call out transphobia and I personally believe that in the Ben 10 universe the different species of the galaxy helped the transgender community and by that I want to specify by help I mean as in with science and possibly magic when transitioning and helping people realise their identity in different ways like therapy or some other form like say a device that allows the user to swap their gender the same way the omnitrix does so the person can experience being in their preferred body type. And of course Ben himself is a good dude who would support the community.
Preach!
Though I’d give a mini update for anyone who would care: I’ve come out to my mother and it turns out the two members of my family I though had forgotten just wasn’t sure how to start conversations about it, admittedly there seems to have been a slip up or two but it was not in a negative way just a little accident, the third person who I had some issues with we’ve talked it out and handled the issues.
I think one of the biggest reasons why there's so much homophobia/transphobia in this fandom is that the show was really popular in countries in and around middle east. And I don't think I have to explain how this might cause a lot of fans to be homophobic/transphobic.
Ah, good point
Never thought of it that way. Honestly I thought you were going to strech a few statements from one of the shows from here to Mars and back to justify Ben being trans. But I gotta say you brought up really good points and explainations for those points and I'm happy I kept watching even if it was first just to find out what happend to the Ink Tank situation. My first thought when you brought up the Gender of Bens transformations was just that "but the Onmitrix is set to always turn the user to the species equivalant of their own gender" but I completly forgot about Asexual Species and Species that have neither Male nor Female but other Genders instead. Also I don't know if this is the first apperance of the VTuber model (probably not but still) but this is the first time I saw it so I just wanted to say it looks great and the design is really cool.
edit: I just checked for the first video with the Model and DAMN I missed a lot of your videos, jesus fuck it's almost a bit embarrassing XD
Aww, thank you so much! This comment was absolutely wonderful
I wish i had the confidence to come out as trans, but i know people wouldn't accept me. i have a hard enough time making friends already and a lot of people don't even accept gay people wear im from let alone trans people. i have nobody to talk to about those kinds of things. I don't know what i should do.
You have support from me and my community! We have a community discord which you can join in the description of the video!
@@KirigiriKirin thank you
People that are unwilling to accept your identity aren't worth your time, I assure you that if you look for it you'll find people that support you, the world is improving with time, we have your back
You should think very carefully about why you want to be the opposite gender and whether it's really necessary before anything else.
@@Oera-B I don't know if you've ever felt this way, but I've wanted this for a very long time. One of my earliest memories is thinking about being the opposite gender and i've thought about it more and more since then
The way feedbacks dial is displayed reminds me of SOTO movie how the omnitrix counted down to self destruction via orange bars but now I guess it just a big trans bomb in this context lol
LOL
I used to be like that when I was a kid, glad I grew out of that phase
Fr, anyone who grows out of that phase got it lucky
Personally, I always headcannoned that advanced usage of the Omnitrix would be able to switch between genders, at least in species that have them, so a Ben more experienced in using it might be functionally gender fluid.
Yeah!
I would even point out that the... Without better words, "idea" of transgender is being that one whishes to live in an other body, as identyfieing as that. This idea kinda can be projected to Feedback, as Ben is known to liked being him, in hero time, when it wasn't convinient and out of being hero, just in free time... Not perfect paralel, but it's kinda there, at least the point to being more understanding trough experiencing existence as different lifes
Yeah! While perhaps not "Transgender", Ben did certainly feel more comfortable in a, for lack of a proper term, "Transspecies" environment
Humans: Jesus Christ!
Petrosapiens: Jesus Cryst!
LMAO
Alien race( All Genders ) will be revealed soon in the franchise
I never saw the follow up about the Ink Tank? I remember a "I won't support the Ink Tank but won't give details till the victim talks about their issues"
But then I never saw anything after that?
The videos came out just a few days after the original one, I believe
What’s so weird is that the show is about transforming into other beings to accept them. It’s literally about accepting differences.
Never understood being a transphobic Ben 10 fan, your actively missing the point the show is about.
you people use this non-sequitur for literally franchise
Definitely sucks to see, in this fandom or anywhere.
Left a longer comment on the Reddit post
Thank you!
Hey Kiri, Love this video, as a muslim person myself, I don't have a problem with Trans people, everyone has they're own identification and self expression, like how I use my art to express myself, and while I don't have problems with people's beliefs and identification, the only problem I have is when they enforce who they are to me when I already accept them and bombard me with their personal opinions towards me that are typically incredibly rude and insensitive towards me and my culture, putting transgender identity and ideas in with Ben 10 and helping those who may be having a hard time with it, you're very brave and I respect you for that, also people getting mad at me for situations out of my control, like if I get something, someone points something out about it, then I feel bad for doing, if you've read this whole comment then Thanks
P.S. Would you mind going over my Ken 10 redesigns so far
Thank you, Uthmaan! This comic means a lot!
@@KirigiriKirin No problem, like even watching your videos gave me more confidence in my work with Ben 10, so thank you
@@KirigiriKirin Would you also mind reviewing my comic so far
As someone whos friends tend to be trans
*Pat pat* :3
Man religious people who pull that shit off seems to forget their own values
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GABIWOLF!!! I haven't seen you in my comment section for ages!
@@KirigiriKirin yah .3.
WELCOME BACK! :3>
@@KirigiriKirinthx :3
I would just like to correct 1 thing that I heard about. Echo echo are born from the sound emitted by their home planet, not their duplication. If they reproduced solely by their duplication, then they would all essentially be the same person, as we see with Ben. Just wanted to clarify that
imma be honest Kiri, love the vid and thx for bringing this up for others so they can feel wanted and respected and heard,
also thx for the info about these aliens, this will make it easier for others (like myself) to creature cannon accurate lore with their ben 10 aus
but there is one thing i couldnt stop thinking about f'd up this situation feels, tbf i could just be me, but everytime i hear bad situations about stuff, i just cant help but think "here we go again,", im not trying to cause trouble or be a problem (sorry if it sounds like i am), when it comes to these shows or games or any type of fiction, i just wish that ppl will leave real world stuff out of the show, even if said topics are in the show and/or its lore, just let fiction stay fiction, i hate it when people like the ones on twitter or reddit do it.
sorry for bringing negativity to your comments, overall ur great Kiri, pls dont stop being Ur self
Absolutely valid critique! Thank you for your opinion. A CONSTRUCTIVE negative opinion is always welcome here :)
@@KirigiriKirin thx Kiri, hope your day is going good! :)
My day is doing wonderful! Wishing you a great day too!
Honestly, i think I've said this is some way before but it shouldn't matter. I don’t care if your male, female, trans, gay, ect ect. If your nice then good but if not then why?
Completely valid!
I don’t think I’ve ever heard of the transphobia in the Ben 10 fandom. Then again I do enjoy the Ben 10 series casually, usually only watching Ben 10 related content once in a blue moon. But I never considered Ben to be trans coded till now, so that’ll be interesting for me when I view the series again. It’s frustrating to know that people hate on trans people just because they want to feel like themselves for once.
(Warning:rant incoming. More praise after the long rant, so read at your own risk.)
For me personally it’s especially frustrating since one of my family members that I live with is transphobic, although they don’t actively state their opinion of trans people in public. And it’s so frustrating because I keep trying to tell them whenever they bring it up in private that trans people don’t have mental illnesses (well, I am aware some might, but not any that would make them trans because that’s not how they work.) or that the very surgeries that they claim that some people regret having more often that not have no regret or that they regret it only because of the transphobia around them. But I don’t ever seem to have the right words to properly express those ideas or the data to back it up, so unfortunately I sometimes just agree with them to try and end the discussion, though unfortunately from recent memory that doesn’t work (and they don’t rant about it often it’s more inconsistent than anything) so honestly I feel kinda like I’m just as guilty for agreeing with them to stop the conversation, but at the same time it also makes me feel guilty because other than the transphobia, they’re a great person, if somewhat overbearing.
But other than that rant, you are one of the most mature people on the internet I have discovered, and I appreciate your ability to have a level head and the ability to accept your own mistakes. Especially with something you didn’t mean to happen with your videos about that Ink Tank situation. (do not remember much about it, all I knew was that something potentially happened, but not enough information was known to give a proper opinion on.) so again, thank you for being a great creator on the internet with a wise view!
I'll keep improving and doing my best!
@@KirigiriKirin I can’t wait to see your growth!
w family member
well they just dont like to see ben be a black gay in future XD
As someone who doesn’t comment much, this video was handled well. While I am straight, I obviously have limits to my thought of the trans topic. Live your life how you want to as an adult and be happy. This situation was handled the best way it should have been.
Thank you for the positive feedback! I'm glad you think I handled things well!
So, are you going to review their new aliens as you planned to before the drama?
Yes indeedee!
I feel you made smaller-bigger jumps in logics at some points, but I mostly agree. Interesting video🙂
Fair! There were certainly leaps made, but to be fair, most of my theory and discussion videos have those as well, so that might just be how my brain processes information heh. Thank you for watching!
Almost every fandom unfortunetly has people like this.
Yeah, it's a real shame
fortunately*
this is such a great video also I dont know why but eatle just looks so happy being mentioned with that pick you chose
THEMOSSYSLIME! :0
I HAVEN'T SEEN YOU IN THE COMMENTS IN AGES! WELCOME BACK! :D
@@KirigiriKirin sometimes I forgor to comment but Im really glad you remember me that means a lot
Let's please not forget that surgeries done on intersex babies is done without the baby's consent, and has no consideration for what sex or gender the person identifies as, but it's just a judgement the doctor makes. It's a violation of the intersex person's bodily autonomy.
That's what the terms "assigned gender at birth" originates from. It is a horrible practice and needs to be stopped, while consensual gender affirming care needs to be normalized.
I think it would be a neat concept that ben has one or few transformations that race alone has female only, but ben's male DNA is still transferred into his transformations(There for a while I thought Pesky Dust was female the way Ben shrilled turning into a Nemurnina but its been debunked cause we seen Male variants as background folk), so it be a scenario like Nanomech almost, or even on akin to the Xenomorph King from the Alien franchise being artificial but a male variant nonetheless. While as these female lifeforms he uses aspects of feminity in that regard but remember this franchise is targeted to young male viewers to sell toys lets not deviate TOO far from that.
Wtf is this he a boy proper biological man stop corrupting the character
Glad all sides of the "drama" are resolved now, but,, oof, The Ink Tank saying "stop trying to be a hero" inside the Ben 10 community saddened me a little... your positivity (and dope-as Cannonbolt jacket) made up for it tho~
Hehe, glad you like the jacket!
And and and, didn’t Azmuth said the omnitrix was made to “bring back an alien from the brink of extinction”? Meaning if a population only have say male gender left, a female individual would be required thus a gender setting be required?
Also as a big fan of Kuro, you are forgiven.
EXACTLY! That's another good example for the gender swap function!
And thank you for the forgiveness/gen
Such a character development.
Jokes aside, I’m proud that you own to your mistakes. I just hope that you and Ink Tank are in good terms now. Possibly friends again. It’s vague due to the situation and circumstances.
All I can say. Live and love everyone
Crazy
I am religious myself but I don't show off blind hatred just because of one thing
You talk about religion reminds me of a time when I found fellow Muslim on the Ben10subreddit.
He had a list of what he would rename some of the transformations and I had to correct him on 1. I don't like using correct but it's cause they name AlienX the exact name of our God and in our beliefs they is only 1 god.
I don't normally involve religion with conversations, as I do read on other gods and completely support the LGBTQ but I couldn't let someone sin by labelling a being that is god like, our god.
Honestly still hate myself for "correcting" him, god there's gotta be another word for that.
That's completely valid, and that's actually quite interesting!
@@KirigiriKirin sorry for the long the comment, didn't even properly express how your video inpacted me but I'll say, it really covers that the general sense of what others call "normal" should be more inclusive.
Thank you so much for watching the video! I feel like I can't word this genuinely enough for it to not just seem like a fake interaction for the sake of engagement, but I did genuinely find ur comment interesting. Your story is one I haven't heard before!
Why are we categorizing aliens in human standard's?
Because we're humans and that's the only standards we can use (duh! 🙄)
For the same reason most of them are bipedal, have the same sexes as us and breathe oxygen
And all the species names are earth-based
@@alienanetit's almost anthropology will always bleed into alien /s
I am cisgender, straight, male.
I have no problem with LGBTQ+ community, however I don't support the community, I support individual people from community.
I hate people being jerks on internet for no reason.
I believe everyone deserves to live cool life and not be bullied because of their, gender, orientation, religion, race etc.
FUCK THE BULLIES
Preach!
thankyou for speaking your truth. youre brave and its a shame theres ignorant and or transophobic or homophobic people out there.
I am a follower of Christ and I'd like to share a bit of my own perspective active on this, if you are an adult and this is a decision that you want to make go right ahead you have the freedom freedom as someone who was created by God with a free will as well as being a citizen of the United States you have the legal freedom to do as you please if you are an adult and you have decided that that is the life choice that you want to have go right ahead my biggest problem is that these systems are available to minors many of which are even younger than what we may consider minors I don't think a 4-year-old someone who needs help wiping their own butt can make a decision as to whether or not they are a male or a female that is an incredibly large life-changing decision and I think a 4 year old is much too young to make that choice if minors are not allowed to purchase alcohol cigarettes get tattoos or own and or purchase a gun before a certain age limit why are we allowing 14 year olds to completely reconstruct their body that is my issue if you're an adult and that's the life choice that you want to make go right ahead I'm not going to stop you it is not my place to stop you the only thing that I have any right to say is I disagree with you but you go right ahead and do it my God calls me to love others and to never hate others because if I say I love God but I hate you because you make a decision that I don't agree with I am a hypocrite I am not perfect at this no one is but I can only try my hardest to be like the God who sent down his son to die for my sins so that if I so believed in him I may join on the Creator God in heaven for eternity hate is wrong no matter where it comes from or who it's directed towards we have to lead with love compassion and understanding not biased and hatefulnessif this is a decision that some people want to make go right ahead I hope that they are making it making it while understanding fully the decision that they're making thinking I do not think that miners should be allowed access to many of these things especially something like puberty blockers or gender reassignment surgery but if you are an adult and that is a decision that you want to make all I can say is I disagree but you are your own person
Well, after reading this, I can say that these are quite fair arguments! Kids shouldn't have the choice, but adults can do it if they want, and there's nothing wrong with making that decision. Fair enough!
@@KirigiriKirinI'm just glad that at this point in time in this country when people who disagree do nothing except yell at each other we could find some common ground
Allow me to add that transgenderism is not compatible with Christian doctrine. There are a lot of things that are tolerable (that is, we won't force you not to do it) and yet are not correct (you shouldn't do it.) Even if transgenderism is tolerable from a legal standpoint it is not correct.
thank you for doing this. while i know that a video like this won't actually do much, i still really appreciate it as a fellow trans woman in this fandom.
You never know until you try!
YWNBAW
I agree that the argument of anti trans in the Ben 10 Universe is insane. I think it's an insane even in this universe because of the factors of multitudes of things. I mean heck in my own D and D set up campaigns, I actually state that there are certain races that just mimic the concept of gender 'normalities' Because humans like to kill things IE my version of gnomes! " They kill us for our shiny rocks they are our hearts why!" Also I do have a lot of questions about the ultimate matrixes evolutionary program but it's mainly based on the concept of as stated it's a program that base its algorithm on fighting a endless war. The mindset of an Endless War usually makes me wonder what causes that Endless War who they are fighting for and fighting against? And the fact that a lot of bens ultimate evolutionary ones with the exception of two, On the playlist that we see largely evolve into a mechanical branch which leads me to believe that most of these evolutionary processes devolve into the idea that in order to win the war certain things need to be curtailed in a different style. The only two exceptions to this is Ultimate Monkey which we find out is a natural process of evolution because we fight another one of the ultimate monkeys, And Ultimate Swampfire which is more of a ancient old virgrown tree which if we actually visited Ancient Swampfires Home World, I wouldn't be surprised if we would run into one of those.
{While my gnomes do share some similarities with the Steven Universe gems they are not a reference to them, I actually came up with this setup actually before watching Steven Universe it's just the best way of explaining it}
Honestly, props on realizing when you messed up and saying that you did so. Could things have gone smoother? sure! But conversation is messy and weird, ESPECIALLY over text. (I mean, the word “right?” Spelt exactly like that can be read at LEAST 3 ways all with different meanings.) all this to say, good on you for doing what a lot of people wouldn’t. Also, TRANS RIGHTS!
Nicely done,Kiri.
Thanks, Brock! I am VERY passionate about this topic, so I wanted to make sure I gave it everything I had!
Hey Kiri, I do agree what you did was not a pretty sight I'll tell you that, but what's important is that you move on from this and use it as a learning experience for the future. everything is fine, I personally already forgive you and hope you see you improve in the future.
Also, you are absolutely right about the trans hate thing, I would say more but honestly I think I'll leave it at that (also because im lazy and want to sleep on the couch for another 3 hours). Have a good one Kiri!
It’s very weird to me how a series about a person transforming into aliens has a very transphobic fandom
Thank you for speaking out about this
And thank YOU for watching!
because changing ur species is different than changing ur gender