Older Malibus/Mirages can be had for $300-$400k... Am I missing something or is that a wildly impressive plane for the money?! So, do you think the Malibu is the best GA single engine piston plane ever made?
Doubtful you can find a good PA-46 for 300-400K. Even the oldest ones (that are solid) are going for more than 400K. I certainly wouldn’t sell mine for anywhere near that low price. Most of the older ones will go for closer to $500K and just up from there. They are amazing aircraft. We absolutely love ours (owned for 8 years now).
Yes, you are missing something, or feigning naivety at the very least. Complex aircraft like these are going to be maintenance nightmares. Mark my words. But hey, the maintenance drama will get you the views you owner/pilot vloggers love so much. Also, 4:27, "YoU CaN fLY AbOvE ThE wEaThEr" that's laughably optimistic. I fly for the airlines and if the weather is bad enough where you'd hope to fly above it, the weather is going to be far above you anyways. Even a 40k ceiling is no match for a massive squall line splitting the entire CONUS in half where tops are averaging 55k+
Remeber it's a SINGLE ENGINE and be ware to avoid strictly icing conditions.I flew the Malibu for a business man for 3 years and had to escape several times due ice accretion,then he changed fortuantely over a Falcon 10 , safe,verry fast and really easy to fly.
These are the most underrated single engine piston planes out there. The 86-ish with the continental, parker gear, and electric flaps is what you want. LOP and can essentially do the whole east coast on one tank depending on winds and weight. Good luck gents.
Gents 0 do you mean 1986? Is there a model name / number or some other identifier I can use to research available ones? I prefer an analogue panel - what’s the autopilot like? Warm regards
Some years ago I was flying the piston Malibu and I got a demo in the jetprop rocket conversion. The demo pilot climbed right through the Class B despite my protests to level off. He said “eh, it’s ok we will be above it soon enough”. Super impressive compared to the piston Malibu, but that experience will always stick out in my mind.
Don't fall for it! My dad was a Piper, Cessna Beech, Mooney and American Champion dealers and I bought and sold a couple of Malibus including a new factory order for a friend back in the late 90's and they were far from perfect, and that's not just my opinion. My first gripe is the adverse yaw, worse than any aircraft I've flown including a V-tail Bonanza. Yea the Yaw-damper helps but when I picked up the new one for a friend in Seattle and took a shake-down acceptance flight on a light to moderately gusty to turbulent day, with a friend who's 747 captain in the rearmost seat and myself in left with a piper factor pilot in the right, and a 747 driver buddy (Tom) in the back being jostled from one side of the cabin due to the yawing on that got much worse when we slowed down for downwind entry, the factory Pilot said "turn on the YD!" I looked up to turn it on and the Yaw-damper was engaged so he said "well there's something wrong turn it off" I turned it off and the yawing became alarming even with no pilot input. I looked back and Tom was setting in the center of the rear seat with a concerned look clutching both armrests to keep from banging against the cabin walls. I turned the YD back on and the approach went from alarming to concerning. When on the ground the Piper pilot got the POH out and asked how much Tom (A big former Air Force Football player) said (about 250), and after running the W&B it appeared with nearly full tanks we were over gross by about 80lbs and with Tom in the third right on the edge of aft CG. The Piper demo pilot said you should keep it well forward of aft CG and keep the fuel load low in turbulence as the inertial moment with fill fuel in the long wings, short cabin and small vertical stab makes for uncomfortable ride that even the Yaw Damper can't deal with. After low useful Load and CG, and the poor Yaw coupling and dutch rolling as the PA-46 as an MTOW of something like is 4,300 lbs, and a Maximum Landing Weight (MLW) of like 3900 lbs. (as I recall), if you take off with a good load of fuel and have to return or divert you are faced with landing overweight or flying for hours before you can land. Marginal performance even being known ice capable is another deal killer for a lot of pilots, and personally I'd not take a Malibu in weather I'd take a Cessna T210. At full gross which is typically two people and 80% fuel and some bags goes from lack-luster to miserable with a trace of ice, and by the time you pack on enough ice to crack the boots, even a at max continuous power you may not be able to maintain 12,000 ft. or hold altitude above 10,000 to be safe, it's an airplane for pop-ups rather than hard IFR. All three PA-46's I had experience with had on-going issues with Turbo, exhaust and accessories such as alternator and vacuum-pressure pumps and the De-icing systems, Hot props and etc. My customer with the late 90's Malibu was always loosing both alternators when he turned on prop and windshield heat or rang the AC. One time he lost both alternators and shortly there after all electrical in icing and almost didn't make it home. After that we sold the Malibu and he bought a TLS-B had some hairaising near death weather experiences and got him into a 58P P-Baron and he and his wife were much happier and with the P-Baron being half the price of the Malibu and much lower maintenance costs with the P-Baron it was a lower cost to operate aircraft. When it got 250 hours of Multi-time on my suggestion he got a 690B Turbo Commander for a year and then an old Citation 500. Which he loved and said was much safer and more comfortable (except for the fuel bill) Frankly I think the Malibu, as most High-performance singles is a false economy given it's capabilities, and I'd much more suggest a turbo 210 with an TISO-550 for a light IFR single as even a non-deiced T-210 with a trace of ice is better than a Malibu until you get enough ice to crack it, and even then, as I had once in a Malibu and a couple of times in a P-Baron where half of one wing didn't crack and I started getting a huge ice buildup behind one boot and you have an emergency situation when the old T-210 with the high lift wing might get back to terra-firma. If you think you really need long-range, all-weather capability, a turbine twin in the class of a King-air, Turbo Commander or Cheyenne is where all-weather flying start to become comfortable and safe, but if I could not afford a turbine, an Aerostar 602P or 700 P would be pick over a Malibu, with a Cessna 340 or 421 (if you can buy an engine once in a while) being better option than the Malibu. If you have to go single a TBM is solid but hell on maintenance costs, maybe more than a 421 with all the mandatory inspections. I've sold and flown a couple Cessna P210R models with the TISO-550 and longer wing and tail and I much prefer to the Malibu for better useful load, better handling and weather capabilities and having a front door rather than having to load everybody from the back, and the high wing is nice for passenger comfort, shade from the sun and rain, and you can park your toys under it in the hanger. The 210R like the Aerostar and P-Baron also fit it most T-hangers for a Mooney or Bonanza, where Malibu or TBM take large jet hanger. Just my opinion, and one I used to share with clients who were looking shopping for high performance singles.
Well, that was insightful. Thanks for the info and advice. What about if pressurisation is the main thing you're looking for? What are your recommendations?
Bro this is why I don't want y these guys I try to check in every now and then but it all seems too faked. Like they aren't buying it but trying to help someone sell.. they might or UA-cam might even delete this comment.. I've tried before to tell folks but this information confirms it... Its why they have so little followers over a long time.... In my opinion this is a 100k plane or less at best😂😂😂
What a nice plane. This guy really seems to know his stuff. Let me know if you guys ever decide to get your license. I can take care of your check ride. I have pretty good availability.
Fun fact, the meridian is capable of US to Europe with its range. Idk which models, but it has enough range to do the canada-greenland-iceland-ireland thing
Great to see considerate use of Strobes! I've seen hours of Oshkosh vids and people taxi there with everything strobing, flashing and land lights wig-wagging! Doesn't 816CM have a red Beacon on top of the tail?? What a neat fully featured plane, and what a buy, for the 'Billionaire in the making! He could keep it until he becomes a Billionaire!
@@malibujack4852 I think as 4 seater its fine. But if you put 6 people in at 180lbs each, even without bags you suddenly have very little left for fuel...
I see why you like it but the swiss Risen 915 "LSA" is significantly faster than this :) that said, pressurization and fiki makes it quite capable. FL250 is maybe not always enough to go above weather but it's a start. 500k for an M350 does seem to make a lot more sense than 1million for an SR22T. Small detail about the parachute. You can bring small reserve chutes and be ready to jump out if the plane goes bad. Just in case.
I have a suggestion for a shot for all of your future aircraft videos. If you’re wearing an Apple Watch, it can give you the decibel reading for the surrounding environment. Why not cut to a quick shot of the Apple Watch indicating how many decibels there are within the cabin.
Same Light speed zulu mic issue, say hi to pilot friend there is tab under mic foam their is a gain switch he has to align his cabin sound level under flight. For Vox not cut his voice.
Random question, but how does everybody feel about twin engines? I'm curious about what the longest range plane out there could be that isn't a jet and wouldn't potentially cost an arm and a leg? Or is it a simple case of piston technology will only ever have a certain range if it isn't one of those giant cargo planes that are for the military? I've seen listings for twin engine planes and I find them interesting.
For speed and a pressurized cabin, check out the Piper PA-60 Aerostar, or high performance modified derivatives from Machen. 350 h.p. versions absolutely tear up the sky; not much slower than a turboprop King Air. Depending on iteration, 1200 nm is possible, so one-stop between most points in the lower 48 should be workable. Door to door (meaning between your home and the hotel/dwelling at destination) can easily beat flying commercial, because you pick airports that are more logistically advantageous than the big commercial airports, and you don’t deal with the slowness of getting to and from airline gates..
For speed and a pressurized cabin, check out the Piper PA-60 Aerostar, or high performance modified derivatives from Machen. 350 h.p. versions absolutely tear up the sky; not much slower than a turboprop King Air. Depending on iteration, 1200 nm is possible, so one-stop between most points in the lower 48 should be workable. Door to door (meaning between your home and the hotel/dwelling at destination) can easily beat flying commercial, because you pick airports that are more logistically advantageous than the big commercial airports, and you don’t deal with the slowness of getting to and from airline gates..
Here is a little tidbit for you on the Mirage. The first batch that were hatched out of Lakeland had developed an oil leak near the front of the engine. Investigation finally determined that the weight of the accessories mounted up front caused the crankcases to fret. These engines had to be torn apart and have the factory installed twin pieces of thread and old school (brown) sealant removed from the crankcase parting surfaces and white silicone sealant applied to the surfaces on reassembly. Those threads (think sewing) wore through, allowing the oil leaks. It was a fair amount of labor to remove an engine, tear it apart and put it back together and reinstall. I must have done about a half dozen or so.
As someone who works on the PA-46 full time, please keep an eye on corrosion and approve all service letters and bulletins when you take her in for annual inspection. These planes do not hold up to neglect.
Love the piper models! Very nice choice! That new m700 fury is absolutely insane! Idc what anyone says best single engine plane on the market today or atleast in the top 3!
We need a piston engine where each individual piston acts as an engine of its own as to isolate the effects of a partial failure as you would expect from losing an engine on a twin airplane. Go...do it.
Love looking at the Malibu line. Does your friend have any knowledge of the 3" seat extension STC for pre-2004 models to accommodate tall pilots? Just more curious than anything.
Perfect that large underwing storage might hold 2-3 kilo's of Hershey's Chocolate? Seriously, is that tiny space listed as additional Storage in the Sales Brochure ? I'm not a pilot so I appreciate seeing stuff like this, I didn't have a clue that all of this theme -n- variation existed on these platforms. Impressive. peace
I’m curious about assuming a foreclosure and renting the house to the people being foreclosed on, seems risky that they will make rent payments if they weren’t making their mortgages payments.
@ Malibu is a sweet plane and I’d own one if I could fit in the cockpit, my knees hit the yoke… but aerostar 700 (not 700p) you would like. tougher to find a real nice one.
Yea, an aircraft that the maneuvering speed is 1/2 of the cruising speed because the wings come off in turbulence is a great plane. The m600 is a much better aircraft with the new wing. The remote breakers are trash and hard to change.
The biggest question I have is why in the world do y’all have all of these planes but don’t have y’all’s licenses yet ? That seems a little counterintuitive but I could be missing something I guess. It’s like y’all can’t take them up whenever y’all want to bc y’all have to rely on someone else to pilot it for y’all.
It looks great and amazing from the outside, but the single narrow door in the back and the acrobatics needed to even get into the pilot seat (let alone leaving the airplane in case of a fire or accident) rules this whole line of the PA46 family out for me. That whole line of planes needs a pilot door BADLY if you ask me.
They are pretty attractive airplanes until you realize once you fill it with fuel it’s not a true 4 person airplane with baggage. And some parts for them from piper are hard to find.
Even though it has 6 seats the 340hp piston engine and the empty weight results in a useful weight where you cannot never fill all seats even with kids if you want to carry also full tank of gas.
@@ZhihengCao I own a Continental TSIO-550C PA-46. I routinely fill 5 seats and baggage with full fuel. That’s me (195 lbs), my wife (110 lbs), my three girls (at 50, 65, and 95 lbs), and usually 200 lbs of baggage. I have more than 1400 lbs of useful load. At full tanks, the plane can go 1600NM (that’s typically double what a typical GA aircraft can do). I routinely do 900NM trips with that load and land with more than 3 hours of fuel in reserve. I agree that the Mirages got a lot heavier with age and that dramatically cut into useful load. In addition, the Mirages can’t climb nowhere near as well as a Conti-powered Malibu. I always tell folks if you are looking for the best piston PA-46, look for an early model with the TSIO-550C conversion and not the later models that are powered by the Lycoming.
Be careful. They're a lot of airplane to handle, especially single pilot. My family's Malibu is in a watery grave off the coast of the Bahamas. Fortunately I wasn't flying in it at the time, but the other pilot was and didn't make it.
It’s great until the overworked engine quit and then you have terrible glide ratio. I have always like the idea of the Malibu regardless 😊. Pressurized piston single with full comfy cabin. I would be nervous during every take off cause engine failure means it’s coming down right now straight ahead.
@ just have planned off field locations around airports. Low altitude flight is where losing an engine in these heavier aircraft can be difficult to manage.
i'll stick to my T 210 for just about every parameter ...and you don't have to be under 5'9" to wedge yourself into the cockpit seats ...and paying off a cpl mortgage payments then assumimg the loans to sell it off dropping the folks you bailed out seems a tad predatory as you reap the benifits without actually obtaining a loan...my 2 cents worth
A piston single at night or IFR will always be sub optimal. No matter how many bells and whistles you throw on it.. 1940 engine tech on new aircraft is some BS! IMO. Nice plane tho cheers.
You boys better do some more research; the Malibu series is not all it’s cracked up to be; useful load is pathetic with more than half fuel; maintenance costs and frequency is very high, it does not fly above the weather, and on a bumpy day it bounces all over the sky even with a yaw damper; stick with your old Citation
It’s pilot training and experience; not the airframe. You can rip the wings off any airplane if you significantly exceed Vne. Because of the low drag slender wing, it is very easy to exceed Vne in descent if you aren’t careful. The breakups are usually an ill-informed pilot that puts the aircraft in or close to a thunderstorm and doesn’t slow down to Va and then loses control in IMC. The plane will quickly exceed Vne in a dive and then you end up with an extended debris field . . .
Cracking aircraft boys can you please forward to me an address i can send a parcel to you.. happy new year. If you have any apprehensions about my request please ask jason on rebuild rescue about my artwork
I'm so frustrated! I see you buy million dollar plane after plane and expensive cars. I worked for 45 years as an aircraft Mechanic scraping by saving a little bit here and there. I count my blessings I have a simple home/ farm built in in 1910. I have a small pension to get by on.
Don't be frustrated - these are all hedonistic pursuits, and while fun, the new-ness wears off and then your eyes are on something more expensive. True lasting happiness is found with family and community.
Haha this comment is wild, blaming someone else’s success on your failures! Who cares what anyone else has. It’s your own fault you don’t have what you always wanted.
I would never by one of these PA46. High insurance because of incidents and issues. Not a useful capable airplane in my opinion. Payload, turbulence air, no exit door for the pilot. Also hard to crawl in with pax and payload. Overrated and to expensive second hand. Often corrosion problems in older model. Tricky to fly in gust, icing and turbulence. Really not the best GA aircraft for me to buy. 😊sorry guys. Take your Citation for your executive flights and be happy. If you need a real capable hot rod, take a look at the Epic 1000. Thats a blast and got turbine. What do you want this such a piston single Piper in winter at night? Nothing. Is the real answer. You be better in a Seneca for example. But good luck for your journey buying a cheap PA 46. Thats your beloved mission I guess.
I flew a trip in a friend's M350 from HPN to LEX a month ago. I felt like a 500lb gorilla trying to climb into the right seat - the PA46 is really tight for bigger people (I'm 6ft) He's had lots of niggling mechanical issues for a 5 year old airplane though.
Older Malibus/Mirages can be had for $300-$400k... Am I missing something or is that a wildly impressive plane for the money?! So, do you think the Malibu is the best GA single engine piston plane ever made?
Doubtful you can find a good PA-46 for 300-400K. Even the oldest ones (that are solid) are going for more than 400K. I certainly wouldn’t sell mine for anywhere near that low price. Most of the older ones will go for closer to $500K and just up from there. They are amazing aircraft. We absolutely love ours (owned for 8 years now).
Yes, you are missing something, or feigning naivety at the very least.
Complex aircraft like these are going to be maintenance nightmares. Mark my words. But hey, the maintenance drama will get you the views you owner/pilot vloggers love so much.
Also, 4:27, "YoU CaN fLY AbOvE ThE wEaThEr" that's laughably optimistic. I fly for the airlines and if the weather is bad enough where you'd hope to fly above it, the weather is going to be far above you anyways. Even a 40k ceiling is no match for a massive squall line splitting the entire CONUS in half where tops are averaging 55k+
Where have You been? You been gone forever
Remeber it's a SINGLE ENGINE and be ware to avoid strictly icing conditions.I flew the Malibu for a business man for 3 years and had to escape several times due ice accretion,then he changed fortuantely over a Falcon 10 , safe,verry fast and really easy to fly.
Yes, the Malibu is fantastic..!! Flew in a few of these from 1993 to 2016. Yes the GPH is low while at 25000 ft.
These are the most underrated single engine piston planes out there. The 86-ish with the continental, parker gear, and electric flaps is what you want. LOP and can essentially do the whole east coast on one tank depending on winds and weight. Good luck gents.
Precisely!
Gents 0 do you mean 1986? Is there a model name / number or some other identifier I can use to research available ones? I prefer an analogue panel - what’s the autopilot like? Warm regards
They are severely underpowered.
Some years ago I was flying the piston Malibu and I got a demo in the jetprop rocket conversion. The demo pilot climbed right through the Class B despite my protests to level off. He said “eh, it’s ok we will be above it soon enough”. Super impressive compared to the piston Malibu, but that experience will always stick out in my mind.
Don't fall for it! My dad was a Piper, Cessna Beech, Mooney and American Champion dealers and I bought and sold a couple of Malibus including a new factory order for a friend back in the late 90's and they were far from perfect, and that's not just my opinion.
My first gripe is the adverse yaw, worse than any aircraft I've flown including a V-tail Bonanza. Yea the Yaw-damper helps but when I picked up the new one for a friend in Seattle and took a shake-down acceptance flight on a light to moderately gusty to turbulent day, with a friend who's 747 captain in the rearmost seat and myself in left with a piper factor pilot in the right, and a 747 driver buddy (Tom) in the back being jostled from one side of the cabin due to the yawing on that got much worse when we slowed down for downwind entry, the factory Pilot said "turn on the YD!" I looked up to turn it on and the Yaw-damper was engaged so he said "well there's something wrong turn it off" I turned it off and the yawing became alarming even with no pilot input. I looked back and Tom was setting in the center of the rear seat with a concerned look clutching both armrests to keep from banging against the cabin walls. I turned the YD back on and the approach went from alarming to concerning. When on the ground the Piper pilot got the POH out and asked how much Tom (A big former Air Force Football player) said (about 250), and after running the W&B it appeared with nearly full tanks we were over gross by about 80lbs and with Tom in the third right on the edge of aft CG. The Piper demo pilot said you should keep it well forward of aft CG and keep the fuel load low in turbulence as the inertial moment with fill fuel in the long wings, short cabin and small vertical stab makes for uncomfortable ride that even the Yaw Damper can't deal with.
After low useful Load and CG, and the poor Yaw coupling and dutch rolling as the PA-46 as an MTOW of something like is 4,300 lbs, and a Maximum Landing Weight (MLW) of like 3900 lbs. (as I recall), if you take off with a good load of fuel and have to return or divert you are faced with landing overweight or flying for hours before you can land.
Marginal performance even being known ice capable is another deal killer for a lot of pilots, and personally I'd not take a Malibu in weather I'd take a Cessna T210. At full gross which is typically two people and 80% fuel and some bags goes from lack-luster to miserable with a trace of ice, and by the time you pack on enough ice to crack the boots, even a at max continuous power you may not be able to maintain 12,000 ft. or hold altitude above 10,000 to be safe, it's an airplane for pop-ups rather than hard IFR.
All three PA-46's I had experience with had on-going issues with Turbo, exhaust and accessories such as alternator and vacuum-pressure pumps and the De-icing systems, Hot props and etc. My customer with the late 90's Malibu was always loosing both alternators when he turned on prop and windshield heat or rang the AC. One time he lost both alternators and shortly there after all electrical in icing and almost didn't make it home. After that we sold the Malibu and he bought a TLS-B had some hairaising near death weather experiences and got him into a 58P P-Baron and he and his wife were much happier and with the P-Baron being half the price of the Malibu and much lower maintenance costs with the P-Baron it was a lower cost to operate aircraft. When it got 250 hours of Multi-time on my suggestion he got a 690B Turbo Commander for a year and then an old Citation 500. Which he loved and said was much safer and more comfortable (except for the fuel bill)
Frankly I think the Malibu, as most High-performance singles is a false economy given it's capabilities, and I'd much more suggest a turbo 210 with an TISO-550 for a light IFR single as even a non-deiced T-210 with a trace of ice is better than a Malibu until you get enough ice to crack it, and even then, as I had once in a Malibu and a couple of times in a P-Baron where half of one wing didn't crack and I started getting a huge ice buildup behind one boot and you have an emergency situation when the old T-210 with the high lift wing might get back to terra-firma.
If you think you really need long-range, all-weather capability, a turbine twin in the class of a King-air, Turbo Commander or Cheyenne is where all-weather flying start to become comfortable and safe, but if I could not afford a turbine, an Aerostar 602P or 700 P would be pick over a Malibu, with a Cessna 340 or 421 (if you can buy an engine once in a while) being better option than the Malibu.
If you have to go single a TBM is solid but hell on maintenance costs, maybe more than a 421 with all the mandatory inspections. I've sold and flown a couple Cessna P210R models with the TISO-550 and longer wing and tail and I much prefer to the Malibu for better useful load, better handling and weather capabilities and having a front door rather than having to load everybody from the back, and the high wing is nice for passenger comfort, shade from the sun and rain, and you can park your toys under it in the hanger. The 210R like the Aerostar and P-Baron also fit it most T-hangers for a Mooney or Bonanza, where Malibu or TBM take large jet hanger.
Just my opinion, and one I used to share with clients who were looking shopping for high performance singles.
Well, that was insightful. Thanks for the info and advice.
What about if pressurisation is the main thing you're looking for? What are your recommendations?
Bro this is why I don't want y these guys I try to check in every now and then but it all seems too faked. Like they aren't buying it but trying to help someone sell.. they might or UA-cam might even delete this comment.. I've tried before to tell folks but this information confirms it... Its why they have so little followers over a long time.... In my opinion this is a 100k plane or less at best😂😂😂
Might hopefully not but even get someone hurt... I can't trust these folks with 2 cents... They'll promise 5 bucks back type of people..
Wow, that's a lot of detail. Thanks for sharing your experience!
Better advice than the video
You guys HAVE to get your PPL. Would be amazing to see your journey.
My guess is that they can't, for whatever reason
Man that is such a sweet airplane. That interior is insane! The performance numbers are definitely impressive.
I know right?
Best advice here. Continue getting ratings.
Love this guy! Nicest humble dude.
Enjoyed the flight. The owner is a sharp financial cookie! Congrats to him!
What a nice plane. This guy really seems to know his stuff. Let me know if you guys ever decide to get your license. I can take care of your check ride. I have pretty good availability.
Fun fact, the meridian is capable of US to Europe with its range. Idk which models, but it has enough range to do the canada-greenland-iceland-ireland thing
Great to see considerate use of Strobes!
I've seen hours of Oshkosh vids and people taxi there with everything strobing, flashing and land lights wig-wagging!
Doesn't 816CM have a red Beacon on top of the tail??
What a neat fully featured plane, and what a buy, for the 'Billionaire in the making!
He could keep it until he becomes a Billionaire!
Thank you, Cory! You are a wonderful inspiration for aviation!
Your faces on takeoff was CLASSIC!
Useful load has always been a bit of a thorn for the 46 until recently. Piper is allot more private pilot friendly then others in it's class though.
@@hawkdsl my useful load is more than 1400 lbs.
A LOT more friendly THAN others, for sure.
@@malibujack4852 I think as 4 seater its fine. But if you put 6 people in at 180lbs each, even without bags you suddenly have very little left for fuel...
The Mirage is the king of piston singles 👑
Absolutely
400+ hours in a Jetprop, love the airplane!
Sweeeet, I’ve heard good things about
Thumbs up 👍 thanks for ending the year with a looker. Have a great night into the New Year 😊
You need to have drive, ambition and determination to succeed in this life, but most of all you need guts! You guys are the epitome of that.
I got to fly a mirage once. Such a sweet plane.
I really enjoyed this video
Love glass cockpits. Helps you see outside
What's the difference between these PA 46s and the Daher TBMs?
Very different
I see why you like it but the swiss Risen 915 "LSA" is significantly faster than this :) that said, pressurization and fiki makes it quite capable. FL250 is maybe not always enough to go above weather but it's a start. 500k for an M350 does seem to make a lot more sense than 1million for an SR22T. Small detail about the parachute. You can bring small reserve chutes and be ready to jump out if the plane goes bad. Just in case.
PA46 is the ultimate piston GA Ac in my opinion I am on my 2nd one and love it! Can you ask Cory where he got the fuel placards those look great???
I have a suggestion for a shot for all of your future aircraft videos. If you’re wearing an Apple Watch, it can give you the decibel reading for the surrounding environment. Why not cut to a quick shot of the Apple Watch indicating how many decibels there are within the cabin.
Great idea!
Very nice plane. Seems to have quite a bit of room inside (sorry Jeff, your being so tall), and it definitely has all the comfort features.
Same Light speed zulu mic issue, say hi to pilot friend there is tab under mic foam their is a gain switch he has to align his cabin sound level under flight. For Vox not cut his voice.
Random question, but how does everybody feel about twin engines? I'm curious about what the longest range plane out there could be that isn't a jet and wouldn't potentially cost an arm and a leg? Or is it a simple case of piston technology will only ever have a certain range if it isn't one of those giant cargo planes that are for the military? I've seen listings for twin engine planes and I find them interesting.
For speed and a pressurized cabin, check out the Piper PA-60 Aerostar, or high performance modified derivatives from Machen. 350 h.p. versions absolutely tear up the sky; not much slower than a turboprop King Air. Depending on iteration, 1200 nm is possible, so one-stop between most points in the lower 48 should be workable. Door to door (meaning between your home and the hotel/dwelling at destination) can easily beat flying commercial, because you pick airports that are more logistically advantageous than the big commercial airports, and you don’t deal with the slowness of getting to and from airline gates..
For speed and a pressurized cabin, check out the Piper PA-60 Aerostar, or high performance modified derivatives from Machen. 350 h.p. versions absolutely tear up the sky; not much slower than a turboprop King Air. Depending on iteration, 1200 nm is possible, so one-stop between most points in the lower 48 should be workable. Door to door (meaning between your home and the hotel/dwelling at destination) can easily beat flying commercial, because you pick airports that are more logistically advantageous than the big commercial airports, and you don’t deal with the slowness of getting to and from airline gates..
Here is a little tidbit for you on the Mirage. The first batch that were hatched out of Lakeland had developed an oil leak near the front of the engine. Investigation finally determined that the weight of the accessories mounted up front caused the crankcases to fret. These engines had to be torn apart and have the factory installed twin pieces of thread and old school (brown) sealant removed from the crankcase parting surfaces and white silicone sealant applied to the surfaces on reassembly. Those threads (think sewing) wore through, allowing the oil leaks. It was a fair amount of labor to remove an engine, tear it apart and put it back together and reinstall. I must have done about a half dozen or so.
Wow! Thanks for the insider info.
Another great video. It was fun seeing really nice plane. I can’t wait to see what you bought.
Glad you enjoyed it!
huh, C-FDIL cowl plugs on an N numbered craft.
What a lovely plane! Great video.
What about the rest of your planes? Updates?
As someone who works on the PA-46 full time, please keep an eye on corrosion and approve all service letters and bulletins when you take her in for annual inspection. These planes do not hold up to neglect.
Good point. Definitely important to get a good one!
Awesome video thanks for all you do
Love the piper models! Very nice choice! That new m700 fury is absolutely insane! Idc what anyone says best single engine plane on the market today or atleast in the top 3!
We need a piston engine where each individual piston acts as an engine of its own as to isolate the effects of a partial failure as you would expect from losing an engine on a twin airplane. Go...do it.
A nice 4 seater with full fuel
Just about
How close are you to getting your PPL?
Gotta get a medical first…..
Half way there
@@JRAviation So not working on it....
3:30 that music is reserved for Techingredients. for my my ears
wow great ride ...beauty airplane!
You forgot another variant. There is the STC that lets you put the Continental IO550 in it too…
That too!
Just finishing my A&P. I’ve learned that there are only two types of aircraft. Turbines and the other stuff…😂
😂😂
I love these planes, just wish one would fit in my hanger.
Those long wings!
How hard is it to fit into the cockpit
A wee bit hard yea
This seems a better deal than the sr22
Yuppp
@ what’s your fav plane you own (if you ignored fuel costs 😂😂)
One day I would love to own a Piper Matrix because my cruise altitude is 8000 to 12000 feet
Yup that’s perfect for your application!
Is the pilatus pc12 a competitor.
Halo electronics.
PC-12 is at least a league above. Price is too.
You don’t buy plants like this by saving. You leverage.
Love looking at the Malibu line. Does your friend have any knowledge of the 3" seat extension STC for pre-2004 models to accommodate tall pilots? Just more curious than anything.
Apparently it is essential for taller pilots.
happy new year, hope for more great vids in 2025
Thank you, you as well!
Legendary vid with good info. Use sneakers and got me a triplex
Heck yea!
I would say that “you know you’ve made it when you buy a pa46”, but you already have a citation, so…
Never enough money out here
love the video. - great plane.
Glad you liked it!
Unbelievable awesome
Perfect that large underwing storage might hold 2-3 kilo's of Hershey's Chocolate? Seriously, is that tiny space listed
as additional Storage in the Sales Brochure ? I'm not a pilot so I appreciate seeing stuff like this, I didn't have a clue
that all of this theme -n- variation existed on these platforms. Impressive. peace
I’m curious about assuming a foreclosure and renting the house to the people being foreclosed on, seems risky that they will make rent payments if they weren’t making their mortgages payments.
Awesome! 😊
Till you hit the big bumpies and the wings fall off
Big bumpies = slow down
@ Malibu is a sweet plane and I’d own one if I could fit in the cockpit, my knees hit the yoke… but aerostar 700 (not 700p) you would like. tougher to find a real nice one.
Yea, an aircraft that the maneuvering speed is 1/2 of the cruising speed because the wings come off in turbulence is a great plane. The m600 is a much better aircraft with the new wing. The remote breakers are trash and hard to change.
Half?? Yikes
The biggest question I have is why in the world do y’all have all of these planes but don’t have y’all’s licenses yet ? That seems a little counterintuitive but I could be missing something I guess. It’s like y’all can’t take them up whenever y’all want to bc y’all have to rely on someone else to pilot it for y’all.
Can you elaborate on the insurance issue?
To get insured on a turbo prop or a jet, you need a lot of time and higher performance piston planes to even be considered.
It looks great and amazing from the outside, but the single narrow door in the back and the acrobatics needed to even get into the pilot seat (let alone leaving the airplane in case of a fire or accident) rules this whole line of the PA46 family out for me. That whole line of planes needs a pilot door BADLY if you ask me.
WAIT! You skipped the best part; where the pilot does a hondo roll in the cockpit's pilot seat.
😂
They are pretty attractive airplanes until you realize once you fill it with fuel it’s not a true 4 person airplane with baggage. And some parts for them from piper are hard to find.
Even though it has 6 seats the 340hp piston engine and the empty weight results in a useful weight where you cannot never fill all seats even with kids if you want to carry also full tank of gas.
@@ZhihengCao I own a Continental TSIO-550C PA-46. I routinely fill 5 seats and baggage with full fuel. That’s me (195 lbs), my wife (110 lbs), my three girls (at 50, 65, and 95 lbs), and usually 200 lbs of baggage. I have more than 1400 lbs of useful load. At full tanks, the plane can go 1600NM (that’s typically double what a typical GA aircraft can do). I routinely do 900NM trips with that load and land with more than 3 hours of fuel in reserve. I agree that the Mirages got a lot heavier with age and that dramatically cut into useful load. In addition, the Mirages can’t climb nowhere near as well as a Conti-powered Malibu. I always tell folks if you are looking for the best piston PA-46, look for an early model with the TSIO-550C conversion and not the later models that are powered by the Lycoming.
Be careful. They're a lot of airplane to handle, especially single pilot. My family's Malibu is in a watery grave off the coast of the Bahamas. Fortunately I wasn't flying in it at the time, but the other pilot was and didn't make it.
Oh wow, sorry to hear about that. Definitely a lot of airplane, will be careful.
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Haha!
It’s great until the overworked engine quit and then you have terrible glide ratio. I have always like the idea of the Malibu regardless 😊. Pressurized piston single with full comfy cabin. I would be nervous during every take off cause engine failure means it’s coming down right now straight ahead.
Malibu is actually a fantastic glide ratio. At 25,000 feet, you can glide for 50 miles.
@ just have planned off field locations around airports. Low altitude flight is where losing an engine in these heavier aircraft can be difficult to manage.
i'll stick to my T 210 for just about every parameter ...and you don't have to be under 5'9" to wedge yourself into the cockpit seats ...and paying off a cpl mortgage payments then assumimg the loans to sell it off dropping the folks you bailed out seems a tad predatory as you reap the benifits without actually obtaining a loan...my 2 cents worth
You know you want the turbine. If you don't buy one now, you'll buy one later.
This is true… Malibu first then Jetprop!
A piston single at night or IFR will always be sub optimal. No matter how many bells and whistles you throw on it.. 1940 engine tech on new aircraft is some BS! IMO. Nice plane tho cheers.
This video is over 3 years old!! You guys must be getting hard up for content if you gotta take us back this far.
Not a plane for tall pilots, which is very frustrating considering all the room in the plane.
This is very true
FlightAware shows this plane hasn't flown in more than 3 years?
25GPH at 200 knots? No thanks. Beautiful aircraft though.
25 average, about 20 in cruise
Just slightly faster than a Beechcraft Staggerwing, with just slightly more fuel burn! I'd rather have a Staggerwing!
7:51 greens are bullshit.. nice video though
This guy out here causing the housing shortage, and pitching it as sound financial advice
The 350 is a great plane with a shit envelope for the load. Ask me how i know.
You boys better do some more research; the Malibu series is not all it’s cracked up to be; useful load is pathetic with more than half fuel; maintenance costs and frequency is very high, it does not fly above the weather, and on a bumpy day it bounces all over the sky even with a yaw damper; stick with your old Citation
Yikes 😬
Quite like the M350
Pa-46, in flight breakups. Be careful.
It’s pilot training and experience; not the airframe. You can rip the wings off any airplane if you significantly exceed Vne. Because of the low drag slender wing, it is very easy to exceed Vne in descent if you aren’t careful. The breakups are usually an ill-informed pilot that puts the aircraft in or close to a thunderstorm and doesn’t slow down to Va and then loses control in IMC. The plane will quickly exceed Vne in a dive and then you end up with an extended debris field . . .
I’m with Jack on this one ^
Not a Mirage for under $400k unless it needs a engine
There are some
When able squawk VFR.... oops....
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Nice
Somehow it's both the most underrated and most overrated aircraft out there
4.2M for junk...I'll buy a year old PC12 for twice the everything at a minimum.
Dude. That tupee is so bad. Come on..
Tupee 😂
How can you tell someone’s wearing a toupee who is it
Forgotten footage always works out.
Onward 🌈 fabulous 2025
Can’t help but notice this guy only responds to the people glazing this plane. I can’t stand people who can’t listen to critical perspectives.
What are you talking about 😂
Cracking aircraft boys can you please forward to me an address i can send a parcel to you.. happy new year. If you have any apprehensions about my request please ask jason on rebuild rescue about my artwork
Shoot us an email please :)
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I'm so frustrated! I see you buy million dollar plane after plane and expensive cars. I worked for 45 years as an aircraft Mechanic scraping by saving a little bit here and there. I count my blessings I have a simple home/ farm built in in 1910. I have a small pension to get by on.
Invest early in your 20's then you can get a large account later on in life. Every 20 year old should be taught that.
Don't be frustrated - these are all hedonistic pursuits, and while fun, the new-ness wears off and then your eyes are on something more expensive. True lasting happiness is found with family and community.
Don't get jealous over these people might be scammers... I sure can't trust for trustworthy info 100% of the time.
Haha this comment is wild, blaming someone else’s success on your failures! Who cares what anyone else has. It’s your own fault you don’t have what you always wanted.
@@556suppressorsaid the person who makes their money off them ,broker?retirement advisor? Lol etc.right
I would never by one of these PA46. High insurance because of incidents and issues. Not a useful capable airplane in my opinion. Payload, turbulence air, no exit door for the pilot. Also hard to crawl in with pax and payload. Overrated and to expensive second hand. Often corrosion problems in older model. Tricky to fly in gust, icing and turbulence. Really not the best GA aircraft for me to buy. 😊sorry guys. Take your Citation for your executive flights and be happy. If you need a real capable hot rod, take a look at the Epic 1000. Thats a blast and got turbine. What do you want this such a piston single Piper in winter at night? Nothing. Is the real answer. You be better in a Seneca for example. But good luck for your journey buying a cheap PA 46. Thats your beloved mission I guess.
Click bait
Not click bait. Malibu or Mirage is the best plane for 300-400k
@ I agree, but you have made wayyyy better videos.
Piper junk
I flew a trip in a friend's M350 from HPN to LEX a month ago. I felt like a 500lb gorilla trying to climb into the right seat - the PA46 is really tight for bigger people (I'm 6ft) He's had lots of niggling mechanical issues for a 5 year old airplane though.
Dang that’s what I’m worried about at 6’6. What kind of mechanical issues?