ShoWTimE vs Serral PvZ - Grand Final - WCS Leipzig 2018 - StarCraft II

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  • @RisitasKEKW
    @RisitasKEKW 6 років тому +25

    Serral is amazing. I love watching him play at this high of level.

  • @Synismyhero
    @Synismyhero 6 років тому +21

    Congrats to Serral. So excited for this year of SC2. Every year is amazing.

  • @nikidino8
    @nikidino8 6 років тому +285

    Game starts at 13:06

  • @Ghostneedle1
    @Ghostneedle1 6 років тому +43

    The interviews at the end are so awkward I love it.

  • @jeremiahbullfrog1844
    @jeremiahbullfrog1844 3 роки тому +3

    I found myself in a serral maelstrom, I can't get enough of his games, he has my respect as a gamer. I use to always choose protoss, but he inspires me to learn zerg, a race that always have overwhelmed and scared me away. I am going to play starcraft and train seriously. It's unfinished business.

  • @ianisfun
    @ianisfun 6 років тому +292

    Serral plays the swarm like THE SWARM

    • @dm3402
      @dm3402 6 років тому +30

      Actions Per Minute my friend, he's ALWAYS a good 50-80 APM every game. Zerg can NEVER win an even Army vs Army fight, Terran too tanky and Protoss too much AOE and Burst. But, when you know how to Swarm: You win every other engagement. destroy the production line, destroy the outer nexus, destroy misplaced battalions, then it will never be an Even Fight. If your army supply never is more than a Zergs: Sorry mate, it'll be GG.
      Yes, apm isn't the only way to win, I'm just sayin every great Zerg Player could literally play like a Swarm. Pretty frightening..

    • @asahel980
      @asahel980 6 років тому +4

      Watch life's gameplay, aggresive and relentless,also Serral at times plays like a terran

    • @ThunderKat
      @ThunderKat 6 років тому +1

      Seen better SWARM play...Perfect constant agression, guess this time there was no opening to put small damage here and there all the time.

    • @machilburn7662
      @machilburn7662 6 років тому +3

      Serral is the swarm

    • @angelskaixo5188
      @angelskaixo5188 6 років тому +3

      Darryl Minaker try more like 400 apm, with 250 eapm.

  • @erinjbthomson
    @erinjbthomson 5 років тому +61

    2:08:46 "What are these roaches really going to do in the near immediate future for Serral? Not much really."
    2:09:29 Welp

    • @hyperion808gaming7
      @hyperion808gaming7 5 років тому +1

      well, rotty was assuming they wouldnt because showtime was suppose to defend, but showtime wanted to chase like 10 roaches with vital archons.

    • @Krosis_
      @Krosis_ 3 роки тому +1

      2:11:14 "That could potentially be the biggest stasis ward of this series so far!"
      2 seconds later

  • @KhanhNguyen-mk2tz
    @KhanhNguyen-mk2tz 6 років тому +16

    What a crazy last game,Serral's Zerg is so untouchable

  • @ashoka9306
    @ashoka9306 5 років тому +9

    Game 1: 13:08
    Game 2: 33:00

  • @AdmiralBison
    @AdmiralBison 5 років тому +19

    Everyone bore witness to the beginning of the chosen one.

  • @DavenH
    @DavenH 6 років тому +25

    2:21:22 "You first champion is Serral...And he will be joined by 3 *other* gentlemen with direct seeds to the global finals" oh ye of little faith, Nathanias.

    • @alphatek2898
      @alphatek2898 5 років тому

      I hate you!
      You spoilert me!
      😥

  • @jordanterry6248
    @jordanterry6248 6 років тому +7

    I’m always glad when a final isn’t ZvZ. I personally love watching a PvZ or TvZ but a mirror match with Zerg is just not the same.

  • @tommyhill199
    @tommyhill199 5 років тому +11

    The beginning of Game 3 was driven by pure fatigue... "I want this done. And want this done quickly."

  • @andrewsrahn
    @andrewsrahn 6 років тому +5

    maynard was in rare form for this series. keep it up guys!

  • @dudlecore7358
    @dudlecore7358 6 років тому +2

    this was such a good series.

  • @classic240
    @classic240 4 роки тому +1

    Serial is my favourite Zerg player. The dude is a stone cold killer that shows no mercy.

  • @RandolphTheWhite1
    @RandolphTheWhite1 5 років тому +4

    In game 3, Serral was like a cat that plays with its food before eating it. He could have easily won many times but allowed him to keep going, giving the illusion of a possible Victoria, like when he basically allows Showtime the bases I the upper right corner of the map

    • @philh2932
      @philh2932 8 місяців тому

      He’s a very careful player that picks his fights. Dark on the other hand will sense a vulnerability, drop everything, and do an allin.

  • @bastianherken2014
    @bastianherken2014 6 років тому +37

    Serral is an absolut monster

  • @torelishes
    @torelishes 5 років тому +13

    as a protoss i have mixed feelings about this

  • @superjack765ify
    @superjack765ify 5 років тому +19

    44:51 Immortal be come Dragoon

  • @lashs5311
    @lashs5311 3 роки тому +3

    50:37 This is one of my favorite games ever

  • @umberto1329
    @umberto1329 6 років тому +8

    Serral's voice made my day

  • @user-CHUL-A_Workshop
    @user-CHUL-A_Workshop 6 років тому +4

    Even though I lost this time, I think " neeb " players are the best performing overseas!

  • @Gudwin2334
    @Gudwin2334 6 років тому +114

    You guys should add like at least an hour of just blank screen at the end of these videos. So something like 3:30:00 duration instead of 2:24:26. That would mean the duration of the video wouldn't spoil the result. "Can Showtime win 4 games in 40 minutes? Or does Serral win 1 and then there are 20 minutes of talking/celebration?"

    • @GuRuGeorge03
      @GuRuGeorge03 6 років тому +17

      im a fan of that idea

    • @mykhailonikolaichuk6392
      @mykhailonikolaichuk6392 6 років тому +8

      Even better -- that time can be filled with interviews, casters analysing etc.

    • @tonynippolei
      @tonynippolei 6 років тому +16

      You could always watch the video without paying attention to the time in the video or the total duration.

    • @phanjacky2418
      @phanjacky2418 6 років тому +3

      @@tonynippolei Spoil ? its obv serral wins xD

    • @archon3715
      @archon3715 6 років тому

      Awesome idea

  • @braedenlotz403
    @braedenlotz403 6 років тому +10

    Some players would be so lost if they made drastic nerfs to Zerg, I feel like that's why nothing has been done lol

    • @91010186
      @91010186 5 років тому +1

      Buff terran and protoss instead, nerfs are lame

    • @pops1cle187
      @pops1cle187 3 роки тому

      thats basically the same as nerfing

  • @pop5678eye
    @pop5678eye 5 років тому +3

    Showtime definitely put on a show.

  • @NBAkingsfan10
    @NBAkingsfan10 5 років тому +3

    I'm ready to say it. Best sc2 player ever

    • @philh2932
      @philh2932 8 місяців тому

      Fast forward 5 years… he wins everything but people don’t want to admit he’s the goat.🐐

  • @slayedcsgo2366
    @slayedcsgo2366 6 років тому +12

    Serral should lead Finnish defence forces.

  • @danganhtuan3862
    @danganhtuan3862 6 років тому +2

    What a great performance! GGWP! And FOR THE SWARM!

  • @mitchelletzkin1321
    @mitchelletzkin1321 6 років тому +14

    lmao Showtime killing his own Tempest

  • @BigHeavyLove
    @BigHeavyLove 5 років тому +10

    "hope there's no mom's spaghetti falling out his pockets" hahahaha

  • @TheMelvinWei
    @TheMelvinWei 6 років тому +5

    He got too eager to close it out with rushes but it's really his macro and late game attack strategies/tactics that shine.

  • @mightysavior74
    @mightysavior74 6 років тому +7

    Serral be like giving two chances to showtime

  • @totaldeparture7848
    @totaldeparture7848 6 років тому +4

    That victory champagne was awkward af... beast of a zerg though

  • @memetrashhh8936
    @memetrashhh8936 6 років тому +5

    that little ewoks are very adorable

  • @martintran7837
    @martintran7837 6 років тому +12

    Happy for Zerg Player, My favors to play Zerg since first SC released but I couldnt make it done. I am nearly 40yr old and my figures/ hands are not smart & quick enough to start over again.

    • @mrV1et
      @mrV1et 6 років тому +1

      yup im 35 now and my kids play.. but with some practice got my apm to 200. playing zerg very quickly is like my lumosity brain training.

  • @anefi-uq5fd
    @anefi-uq5fd 2 роки тому +1

    to your star craft 197 studio talk

  • @misspurdy27288
    @misspurdy27288 6 років тому +23

    Serral is without a doubt the best european player right now. I can’t wait to see how he fares vs koreans, anyone know where I can get a look at that?

    • @Radgerayden-ist
      @Radgerayden-ist 6 років тому

      we're waiting to see if he'll try GSL season 3 :)

    • @Kev376
      @Kev376 6 років тому +3

      Yah after they mega Nerfed toss and mega buffed Zerg. Did you see how fast Showtimes Immortals melted? That's beyond ridiculous.

    • @jaredgarden2455
      @jaredgarden2455 6 років тому +8

      @the duderino
      And yet those carriers and void rays remain incredibly powerful.
      Very few players can take on the kinda army seen game 3, serrals use of infestors without the aid of many vipers was flawless in that match, taking advantage of any over extension made by showtime.
      No race is overpowered, they all have their weaknesses and all have their strengths, protos could be argued to be OP if you look at their ability to build the most OP army comp in the game.
      terran can also build an OP army with siege tanks and ghosts.
      zerg cannot build an OP army, best they can do it counter the OP armies, which is their strength and their weakness.
      If zerg were OP then i would expect this match to have been ZvZ not PvZ.
      One could potentially argue that zerg has a higher skill ceiling due to their need to expand very fast, manage creep and be able to counter the opponent and defend very sporadic base placements.
      Serral has simply gotten closer to that skill ceiling than any non korean has before.

    • @FreeHat7
      @FreeHat7 6 років тому +2

      @the duderino lol, what are you even talking about? You don't play/watch starcraft2 huh?

    • @michatomczyk6813
      @michatomczyk6813 6 років тому

      @@jaredgarden2455 Carriers, void rays, incredible powerfull, choose one.

  • @redpandaandcoffee7956
    @redpandaandcoffee7956 5 років тому

    Gezz, Serral didn't even smile or say much at the end. Absolutely unstoppable skills but looking very socially awkward. Always amazing to watch his work though

  • @marcusyoung4714
    @marcusyoung4714 6 років тому +5

    lmao that kid awkwardly opening the champagne at the end

    • @sheilamorrison1954
      @sheilamorrison1954 4 роки тому +1

      @bill william Triggered by your boyfriend being laughed at?

    • @sheilamorrison1954
      @sheilamorrison1954 4 роки тому

      @bill william You sound like you have some serious issues. Most revolving around women although I cant imagine why they dont swoon over you. Your spelling and grammar should be enough on its own. By the way, this is my wifes account, so all your assumptions are wrong. Go blame women for your own short comings.

    • @sheilamorrison1954
      @sheilamorrison1954 4 роки тому

      P.S Your so mad because you actually just described yourself lol.Is your wife also your sister by any chance?

    • @AudioJeep
      @AudioJeep 4 роки тому

      @bill william scarlett is a man and still more of an attractive woman than this sheila lmao

  • @newera478
    @newera478 5 років тому +5

    Serral made Showtime look like a noob in the second game.

  • @vaettra1589
    @vaettra1589 6 років тому +2

    2:17:04 Those earcuffs sits really tight apparently, lol.
    Serral! The Tyranid master!

    • @AlecDionisio
      @AlecDionisio 5 років тому

      Thank you for calling them nids lol

  • @Eirocina
    @Eirocina 4 роки тому +3

    serral play some thing call "why you hitting yourself" tactic

  • @WereDictionary
    @WereDictionary 4 роки тому +1

    I feel like blindsiding Serral is possible but it only works once and he will make sure to kick your teeth in from various angles in every subsequent game

  • @carpetclimber4027
    @carpetclimber4027 6 років тому +1

    Great games, very good commentators. How can you go wrong with an analytical, passionate German. I like him. The other host was also solid. And yes, I like this Zerg Finn. The European bracket is more solid than the NA. /a Swede

  • @ZC.Andrew
    @ZC.Andrew 6 років тому

    Serral is so badass. Everyone is rooting for him, but I want to see him de-throned now.

    • @philh2932
      @philh2932 8 місяців тому

      Well that never came to fruition lol. He’s the goat, deal with it.

  • @0Fingolfin0
    @0Fingolfin0 6 років тому

    superb commentary

  • @SamTheBeardGuy
    @SamTheBeardGuy 4 роки тому

    if you let Serral go into late game it's over. The only way to beat him is be aggressive and smart early on.

  • @DerpHerper
    @DerpHerper 6 років тому +47

    Can't believe people are out here saying Toss is so OP. He turtled as hard as possible for the entire game and everyone is out here saying "WOW HOW DOES HE DO IT??? TOSS OP!" He had shield batteries, cannons and Sim city. On top of late game protoss units. Which are supposed to be strong. Even then that same comp lost the first two games because it's a dangerous tech switch. And beyond that, he never even left his side of the map. Zerg was out here showing how strong it is controlling the map and remaxing late game. And no one says anything about that? Dear lord there's some Zerg mains in here tonight. Grats to the champ he played a great series.

    • @LordSantiagor
      @LordSantiagor 6 років тому +3

      6 bases vs 4, very careful unit comp, skilled micro...

    • @MrQuitarias
      @MrQuitarias 6 років тому +2

      Toss is OP if you don't know how to play against them. Although I will say that late game Toss army does have a high skill floor to stand up against.
      Just like the Terran harrass IMO.
      Am Zerg main if anyones wondering.

    • @angelskaixo5188
      @angelskaixo5188 6 років тому +1

      The key to zerg play is being able to fight, lose the fight but weaken enemy army, then use banked larva to build reinforcement wave of counter units for the win. Serral didn't really even have to do this, showing how dominant he was. Showtime was just straight out classed

    • @pancutirimicuaro
      @pancutirimicuaro 6 років тому

      Are you out of your mind, what showtime did is kinda what happens in ladder from d2 or higher, what serral did is only seen in master 1 or higher, there's significant diference in the skill required to pull out the game like that.

    • @crabapplemcnasty3546
      @crabapplemcnasty3546 6 років тому +1

      @Russell kirkham No denying Serral had Showtime outclassed but the efficiency of trading with hydra/roach against a late game toss army looks disconcerting at its face. Granted Serral was masterful in pulling that toss army out of position and split up. To me Hydras/Lurkers look a bit too strong at the moment but I am a toss main so I may be biased haha.

  • @Fardragon
    @Fardragon 6 років тому +4

    Everytime I see PvZ Airfights, I wonder why the Protoss doesn't target fire the 2-4 Overseers, while having everything cloaked...
    Wouldn't that be instant victory?

    • @AndrevusWhitetail
      @AndrevusWhitetail 5 років тому

      It wouldn't be, the Zerg anti-air would just target fire the cloaker and pick it off. Cloaking is completely useless at such a high level unless you're using dark templar sneak tactics.

  • @KOKing1987
    @KOKing1987 5 років тому +2

    I get lags every few seconds the screen freezes for 1-2 secs.... can somebody help ??? I tryed preloader, Compability of Windows 7. Back in the Days when SC2 was released even with my older PC I never had some issues...

  • @Risetothetop69
    @Risetothetop69 6 років тому +1

    Serral, why are you so good?

  • @anefi-uq5fd
    @anefi-uq5fd 2 роки тому +1

    Hyper Ghost Kid 197 Play 1998 year WCS Winner

  • @dkentertainment5730
    @dkentertainment5730 4 роки тому +2

    ok they are pro and brobably the best in eu or whatever. but where is the deal building a new main building with a drone witch has "minerals in mouth" ? isnt that a wast of 5 minerals, i mean they are so into eco and micro/macro. that just hurts my eyes

  • @Kalenz1234
    @Kalenz1234 6 років тому +5

    24:08 and you want to tell me that lurkers are not overpowered?
    the legacy of the void lurkers are basically a fusion of 2 campaign units from hots..

    • @Jameshowardadventures
      @Jameshowardadventures 4 роки тому +1

      Just a perfect hit.. watch the last Match a few units clean up lurkers easy

  • @SakkieGB
    @SakkieGB 5 років тому +3

    Hahahaha, have to love the commentators!!! 1:00:05

  • @akaATK
    @akaATK 6 років тому

    I was a WoL player back in the day but fell out of the scene. SUddenly got curious as to how the meta was doing since the expansions. I mained zerg, loved the race conceptually but the lack of map control for most of the game was really frustrating. It's awesome to see how much potential zerg has nowadays.

  • @AdmiralBison
    @AdmiralBison 6 років тому

    sometimes the battle in comment sections between fanboys can be just as intense and even more funny then the main event.

  • @misha49ish
    @misha49ish 5 років тому +5

    Wait, Serral wins a seed and the global finals

  • @cbc754
    @cbc754 6 років тому +2

    does anyone know if there are any pro 2v2 or FFA games from 2018?
    I've been in a Starcraft binge for the last month but I havent found any yet (but I also havent been looking)

  • @hakiri9072
    @hakiri9072 6 років тому +2

    He is the choosen one!

  • @Sworn973
    @Sworn973 Рік тому

    why is this match showing up 4 years later youtube?

  • @Medic23451
    @Medic23451 6 років тому +1

    I have a dream. 1080p.

  • @ppacontroll
    @ppacontroll 6 років тому +1

    59:59 - He is the SWARM

  • @finnsawyer2239
    @finnsawyer2239 6 років тому

    finally after 1000 years. thank you for posting this

    • @Overgis4058
      @Overgis4058 6 років тому +1

      FinnSawyer ive been watching and waiting on Serral to win a tourney since 2015. Our waiting has paid off ^^

  • @adrianntambunan1462
    @adrianntambunan1462 4 роки тому +1

    Hello, I'm a newbie here. But could someone explain why Showtime's Protoss army kept being defeated in whole scale battle on the first round? I've seen their army looks evenly matched, but Serral keep winning majestly on a full battle. Does showtime make a mistake on the army variation?

    • @Pipothefreak
      @Pipothefreak 4 роки тому +6

      It's true that both armies were about equal, but in the 1st game, but Showtime went for the capital ships (mothership, carriers) and archons. Those have very high damage output and utility, but their biggest drawback is that they aren't very mobile an that they have to stay together (that's called a "deathball").
      Serral exploits these weaknesses optimally. Serral always has some units (zerglings/dropalords/...) which are more mobile and can do a nice bit of damage to the economy. If Showtime overreacts with a part of his army, Serral attacks the other part with his main army and crushes it. If he doesn't react, he loses economy. So Serral always forces Showtime to split his army optimally and that is not easy to do.
      In the end, Showtime is stuck on a dwindling 4-base-economy, while Serral takes the rest of the map and starves Showtime out of the game.

  • @zen23ish
    @zen23ish 5 років тому +2

    Serral @ 3-0 throws in the sympathy loss.

  • @mrsceptical6686
    @mrsceptical6686 5 років тому +1

    $19000 for winning a major tournament as the best in the world? Seriously, organisers should be ashamed, that’s a monthly salary of a proper geek.

  • @assafouziel
    @assafouziel 5 років тому +1

    the 3rd game was gg after 8m and kept for over 30

    • @philh2932
      @philh2932 8 місяців тому

      As a Zerg you have to be careful against toss and Terran because their static D is so good. You can have 3 more expos than them, but throw the game because you lose your entire army against an expo.

  • @kaikkimennyt
    @kaikkimennyt 6 років тому

    Watching just because of the gsl vs world results...

  • @claudioeliezerpomianowsky3034
    @claudioeliezerpomianowsky3034 6 років тому +3

    ShoWTimE's mistake was to have not fought before. He was alweays running from battle start!

  • @adrianvonreis7449
    @adrianvonreis7449 4 роки тому

    Can you display number of bases next to the number of workers? Makes counting obsolete.

  • @michatomczyk6813
    @michatomczyk6813 6 років тому

    U got that final trophy at last :D

  • @rollyrodrigz5069
    @rollyrodrigz5069 6 років тому +1

    Serral let showtime win game number 4, let the lurker lije this is not usual in serral.

  • @balbarith45
    @balbarith45 5 років тому +1

    I'm wondering why is there no collossus? With that range upgrade, they would shred lings and hydras. I know there expensive. But why carriers?

    • @MrZiva82
      @MrZiva82 5 років тому

      Yoink yoink yoink yoink.... Where are my colosy?

  • @chingompiew1
    @chingompiew1 6 років тому

    Showtime please expand!

  • @TBVnBIX
    @TBVnBIX 4 роки тому +1

    2:15:20 serral makes a swarm host meaning he knows he won

  • @1Amiel1
    @1Amiel1 5 років тому

    I haven't played SC2 in a really long time but did they get rid of Collosus? Why am I not seeing any Collosus unit comp to go with the Immortal, Archon, Templar comp? Collosus with extended thermal lance would do amazing against the Hydras/Lurkers.

    • @MisterNicNacNoc
      @MisterNicNacNoc 5 років тому

      I believe the Colossi have been nerfed since their days of glory. Correct me if I'm wrong, though.

  • @erricred2
    @erricred2 5 років тому

    Does anyone else feel like the players can hear something from commentary. Serial defending the storm drop without spotting seems strange

  • @Kasslim11
    @Kasslim11 4 роки тому +1

    Can someone explain win conditions for these tournaments? As someone who's barely played the games seem to end quite abruptly.

    • @CRose-ud5ts
      @CRose-ud5ts 4 роки тому +4

      Mostly one of the players gives up the game because they realise they can't win anymore. That's why these games end before all of the enemy buildings have been destroyed.

    • @Kasslim11
      @Kasslim11 4 роки тому +1

      @@CRose-ud5ts I see, thanks!

    • @philh2932
      @philh2932 8 місяців тому

      Your army dies and you don’t have the results build another

  • @erikwendel619
    @erikwendel619 4 роки тому

    I find these commentators often miss areas of the map where battles are being made, albeit small ones, and they often keep the information overlays (income deficit etc) visible for way too long.
    It's not often commentators make a game less fun to watch, but that's actually the case for this match.

  • @moomoodeadcow
    @moomoodeadcow 5 років тому +1

    39:00 It's Kong Fu Panda.

  • @anefi-uq5fd
    @anefi-uq5fd 2 роки тому +1

    Quicky Orphen naters H. crave kids

  • @ivanurbancsok
    @ivanurbancsok 6 років тому +2

    Serral is like Nokia! Indestructible! :)

  • @Peiksum
    @Peiksum 6 років тому

    Let's win some more!

  • @mrherrada797
    @mrherrada797 3 роки тому

    Back when SC2 had interesting maps

  • @lucif3r84
    @lucif3r84 5 років тому

    Music @ 1.27.00, i don't remember right now.

  • @marquinocompaniados5099
    @marquinocompaniados5099 6 років тому +1

    Love this fight.. I think showtime can win if he tries to move aggressive. Sorry to say i saw all his (showtime) hesitation grounds even lot of game is in his grasp of winning. Still its serral hard to contest with his game play.

  • @neckfreeze
    @neckfreeze 6 років тому +1

    best game ever

  • @vazi011
    @vazi011 6 років тому

    prof disruptor is uselss? or that the special psionic race has no other spell than 1 unit strom & feedback against infestor 3 spells; & vipers 3 spells and coruptor spits

  • @benjaminhartmann4522
    @benjaminhartmann4522 5 років тому +2

    Chipmunks = Chippendales xD min 39:10

  • @celisun1013
    @celisun1013 6 років тому

    my god....showtime.. too good..

  • @namkgenc7674
    @namkgenc7674 6 років тому +1

    is serral best zerg in the world ?

  • @matespider
    @matespider 6 років тому

    ZombieGrub is so beautiful Kreygasm

  • @jalinmurphy9
    @jalinmurphy9 6 років тому +1

    Why does Serral remind me of Backpack Kid?

  • @notjoeyg666
    @notjoeyg666 6 років тому +2

    diablo 2 lod should be redone witht these graphics.

    • @JM43438
      @JM43438 5 років тому +1

      no, because then d3 comes out, these graphics are too cartoonish for d2

  • @TimWrightt
    @TimWrightt 6 років тому +1

    hands down the best parts are the static shots of the city & the soundtrack music. tho you should use actual classical instead of the hackneyed starcraft tracks.

  • @leytongouldie168
    @leytongouldie168 4 роки тому

    the start of serrals path of destruction

    • @philh2932
      @philh2932 8 місяців тому

      2024 it’s still going on

  • @jkjkhardcore666
    @jkjkhardcore666 6 років тому

    Guess they nerfed the protoss deathball.

  • @cirrocumulus7554
    @cirrocumulus7554 5 років тому

    Finland and Germany are still going strong!