AR Forward Assist Purpose?
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- Forward Assist Purpose? Do you need it? What is it for?
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Bro at 7 min 9 seconds something flys by your door way. Wtf was that man? Weird as heck!
The spirit of Eugene Stoner rejoicing.
Damn aliens 👽 😂
@@G2niverse haha hell yes it is. Seriously though man did you see what I was talking about? I grabbed a screen shot of it. I thought I must have just inhaled too many fumes yesterday for spending half the day at an indoor range 😂 had to run it back a few times to make sure I wasn’t loosing my marbles
I did....and I see it as well...whats weird is i didnt see it throughout the editing process.
@@G2niverse That does look similar to paranormal phenomena I have seen myself (lived in 3 haunted houses) .
I do love me a slick side! Got one on one of my builds.
Agree 100% about the FA.
The thumb forward in the depression in the carrier is a good point. The depression in the carrier also is what engages the dust cover and pops it open when the weapon is charged or when the gun is fired and the cover was closed prior to the pew.
Absolutely true
The dip in the bolt carrier is for the knob on the inside of the ejection port cover.
Also, during rifle qualifications while enlisted, I would always hit the forward assist after charging a round out of habit. Never once did I experience a failure to eject.
One more point, there may be a time where one might have to chamber a round as quietly as possible, in which case the forward assist would greatly help easing it into battery.
Just my two cents 🤷🏻♂️
Thanks for the videos 😎
I agree that it isn't absolutely necessary, however I still want it!!!!
I absolutely do agree on the general uselessness of the FA to slam home a badly chambered round! The only reason I can see for a FA is for me to load a round with less noise than just racking the charging handle and let fly. When the bolt already got hot, you may not want to press it with your thumb...
Totally agree , you don't wanna push a hot bolt...
at 1:47 I'm trying to figure out what he bleeped out. Was it ****** ? Or ******* or maybe *********. Well, ****.
We'll never ****** know
You forgot one very important thing , all the cool operators that press check their ar15 then beat the crap out of the forward assist. Lol
I'm never cool
Gee whiz, you mean it's not really a sniper button??? I am so disappointed. Good video sir.
Larry Grubbs lol no its a JAM button!
And all these years I thought the forward assist was to compensate for the fact a manual of arms that included CLEANING and NO cleaning kits were issued with the first weapons
kyle would disagree........forward assist is a good design point and you typicallly never use it till you do. Often the its a dry bolt and the bcg only sits slightly closed. The forward assist helps punch it in.
Raven Tactical Prepper Channel we are already doing a video testing which is faster...should be dropping next week.
@@G2niverse i'll watch it ... . i don't understand the "band wagon of " the forward assist is the devil but to each their own.
Just get an AK and you don’t have to worry if your gun is going to go bang bang
It will always go boom boom
I think Kyle Rittenhouse would argue this point. Not for everyone, but dumb is a stretch.
Just because he didn't know better. Based on his testimony he could have easily used this method and had complete control of the grip the entire time. Hed probably would have had the shot off quicker using my method.
@@G2niverse maybe, some of these things are different for me, am a southpaw that’s grown up with righty weapons. The forward assist falls right at my thumb while on the grip, so I mentally miss some of the things holding normal brings… Like having to remove your hand to operate it. I always thought they had it on the wrong side for you normal folks.
Colt SP 1’s didn’t have a FA, and still runs like a top to this day. Aero makes a nice no FA upper that’s super reasonable priced. I always thought they were needed until I took the time to build them from bare receivers, and watch every stoner interview on the internet.
It took technology until 2020 (WWSD 2020) to catch up to what stoner had originally intended the AR15 to be, so I’m going with his thoughts because the dude was damn near 70 years ahead
Dude is a genius... purely an addition to get a govt contract because said govt didn't want to retrain.
@@G2niverse or understanding its a combat rifle and not a bench shooter.... that its a needed but not always needed feature
Forward asthisthst purposthe?
an amazing lesson in the external indentation of the BCG being an internal forward assist, pretty cool!!!
Thanks
More so the cleaning rod treatment to get the shell out
True
Kyle used his forward assist.. just saying...
Yeah and he totally didn't need to
Foward assist came in handy in Iraq, sand gets everywhere including the mags you carry around. Sand will find its way into the breach and I had to use foward assist multiple times to lock the bolt home. You can apply more force on the foward assist than pressing sideways against the bolt.
For the common shooter, they will never have to deal with fod.
Finally some common sense..oh ya its 2021, common sense is very very rare
Lol
Oceans of ink and trillions of ones and zeroes have been written about the forward assist. I guess it's better to have it and not need it than to not have it and need it. All but one of my ARs don't have the forward assist. I guess I'm ambivalent.
Doesn't the bolt get hot?
Gloves bro... gloves. And not as hot as you'd think.
You got ghost in your house bro
That's what it looks like... time to call the @ghosthunters
Technically it's the bolt carrier not the bolt that has that dimple in it to act as a forward assist. I remember hearing that Stoner apparently picked that idea up from another rifle design. Clint Smith actually talks about using that dimple rather that the forward assist in his Urban Rifle series.
ch0k3 p01nt Thanks for watching!
There's Always Slamming The Stock To Ground.....
The forward assist was originally designed and added to the M16-A2 as a field expedient method to shove a cartridge home (into battery) when the chamber became so carbon fouled that the cartridge would not seat on its own.
This happened because, early on, the troops were told that cleaning and servicing the M16-A1 "was not necessary" which, of course, was rapidly determined not to be the case as weapons ceased to function, jammed and, occasionally, had cartridge failures rsulting in a number of soldiers being injured.
To anyone not understanding the severity of a gun being that dirty...
If it's "get the round home or die because someone is shooting at you..." then use it (forward assist). Otherwise, it's useless, unless you want to cause a possible facial reconstruction surgery in your near future.
That's the "official" stance on the Forward Assist device.
A dust cover was designed to keep dirt and debris from entering the chamber while in "the field" and soldiers were crawling around in dirt, sand and mud or otherwise allowing large particulate matter to enter the action/chamber of the firearm.
A dirt-fouled action could possibly require you to use... Wait for it... Your forward assist.
If you're not actively doing such things as operating in a severe, desert environment where sand gets in everything from your food to your nethers" or crawling around on your belly, in the bush and exposing the action to direct exposure/contact with dirt and mud,
*Don't worry about it.*
In a standard operating environment, such as your living room, garage, the firing range, etc., the dust cover, which opens and *stays* open the moment you chamber a round, the dust cover is only functional for sporting witty sayings like "Die commie, die!"
Boomer Taylor I see it more of a liability, its just a "jam button". If your rifle is dirty, its not going to run, and hitting the jam button every time will not fix the issue. Only create more issues for failure to feed, extract and eject because you're trying to force a weapon to function that is not truly functional.
@@G2niverse
In case I wasn't clear, that's my whole point!
It serves no valid function other than to jam a round into a far too dirty chamber which you would *only* want to do if someone was about to kill you unless you had that one shot.
That's why all thr previous rifles had them and your observation that "they couldn't let go of the past" and had to have a "panic button" (as we used to call it) or they'd go into "vapor lock" was absolutely accurate. 😆
Once the guys dead, you've got time (you sincerely hope) to clear and clean your weapon. But that's it, there is no justification for a forward assist on this rifle...
Unless, you're a complete idiot who never cleans his rifle and you're suddenly faced with a single attacker who's about to kill you with a knife, etc. unless you risk blowing up a round in the chamber... 😆
In all seriousness, sorry if my original comment suggests, in any way, that a forward assist is a useful item.
Happy new year!
Actually, it was first installed on Army A1 rifles. That was the only difference between USAF and Army rifles. Later, the A1 became general issue to the entire military.
I figured the forward assist put there for convenience when it comes to attempting to cycle rounds. In light of the indentation in the bolt carrier group, the FA seems like the better choice to avoid burning your thumb
It is... however if you're forcing the rifle to feed a crappy round, what happens on the next shot? If you can't feed it with your thumb, you need to clear the issue before you end up with a big ol paperweight.
Lol first person I’ve seen that knows what the “Dumb Dumb” button is, most people don’t talk about what the bolt groove is for, besides the primary use of Gas diffusion and direction and the secondary forward assist. Damn the Army lol
Although that cutout is not intended for this purpose, but, yes, it may used like FA. However, if you already runed through a couple mags or more, it may to lit a cigarette from your BC, and such usage of that cutout in that way becomes impossible, unless, of course, your hands are fireproof... In that case you can't do without FA in any way...
gloves
I don't think it's dumb, I think dumb people use it to clear a malfunction. That's not its purpose. If you can't tap the FA and put it into battery then it should be obvious that there is something wrong and not force it.
If there is a malfunction, you clear it with a slap and rack. Even in sports you pull the charging handle and observe the chamber before touching the FA. Most malfunctions should be cleared after racking and checking the chamber. if it hasn't then the remedial action stops there, never force it. There are some malfunctions that the forward assist can "help" with like a worn buffer spring or brand new over sized gas rings but the fa will not solve that problem and shouldn't be thought of as a fix.
That grove on the side of the bolt carrier is not a forward assist. It's there to give the detent on the dust cover space and let you close the dust cover. Personally, I like to keep my fingers away from either side of the barrel as much as possible not just the muzzle. As with any fire arm the ejection port is a pinch point and I don't like being pinched
It's just preference in reality. I prefer it mainly so that I can guarantee it is in battery after performing a press check or while trouble shooting but never to clear a malfunction.
The forward assist has the bullseye button, cuz when you hold it down while shooting it guarantees a hit on target! Lol that’s what the Afghans and Iraqi’s thought
I prefer a dust cover for when in storage and/or transport .
Not a good idea to use your thumb to push bolt closed. Bolt gets hot after a handful of rounds.
I agree with the dust cover... but for the fact? Gloves my man.
@@G2niverse usually shit hits the fan without notice so putting gloves on is great in theory but Mr Murphy doesn't follow theory.
@@G2niverse probably should demonstrate or mention that before someone tries what you just did
Mention what? to wear gloves? If shit hits the fan, you might not have the gloves on for the first 30 seconds, but you will after that. Firefights dont last minutes guys...they last seconds.
Seems like every conversation on the forward assist turns into some type of pissing match. It's really pretty simple, if you like it use it if you don't like it don't.
I prefer uppers with no ejection port! 😁
the cool part about life and our society is that everybody is entitled to their own opinion all I know is it is better to hve it and not need it then to need it and not have it, and according to my research that dimple in the BCG is designed for the dust cove and helps with the gas expelling from the internal gasses, at least the manufacturers that I have talked too that is coming from them I am just relaying the info. I don't know I am not the designer of the BCG Further more I don't really care long as my gun works I dont care if its on there or not but it is
True story
Maybe the FA is positioned so you don't have to take your right hand off the grip to use it as you would for the bolt "dent" use. As well as you probably can get more force out of the FA at the back. However that might not be a good thing in the case of shoving dirt or a bad shaped round further into the chamber. Leading to extraction failure.
You can use either method, I'm just not a fan of forcing a round in... like you said, you'll have to fix the problem at some point.
I do want to mention another possible need for a FA and probably the reason it’s there. You shoot a Garand much? It’s tough for the bolt to strip the first round at times and a simple push on the charging handle is all it takes to get the bolt moving and the spring does the rest. A bench rifle will never have this problem but a battle weapon in harsh conditions might. An AR with a new mag loaded to capacity and dry/dirty or cold conditions with sluggish lube might warrant a slight push to strip the first round from the mag after you hit the bolt release and nothing happens
Andrew Q You make a great point!
Totally wrong
Why?
No other weapon had a forward assist, just an external handle attached to the bolt. The m16 was first touted as a self cleaning rifle, yet after massive failures in Vietnam, namely due to ammunition, and because of the internal bolt design, they came up with the m16 a1 and the forward assist to move the bolt forward and to be able at least to take the rifle apart more easily to fix the problem.
Dude... the "charging handle" on those weapons you refer to is the forward assist. Just as it was on the early model ar15s and ar10s. It did both.
Brother I'm like you, i have a couple traditional uppers but never use the button so my favorite builds have my 6160 billet uppers and they look so much better following the lines of the for-end rail.... it just looks so much better and they all work perfectly, great job again man 👍👍👍👍👍✅✅✅✅✅
Agreed
You don’t need a forward assist, while showing why you need a forward assists 🤷🏻♂️.
Drillsergeant 623 Thanks for watching!
Thank you for teaching me something I didn't know. When I use my ar for hunting I don't load it before I use a rope to pull it up to me in my treestand. I try to be quite as possible when putting one in the barrel so I ease the bcg forward I've been using the forward assist to get it into battery. I now have a new way of doing it thanks alot
Enjoy... use it for what its worth
Ive never found it needed and for my purpose dont care for it to be there but if it is no matter. But talking to Marines in the shit in the desert, Is the only real reason Ive seen for it. And that is in middle of a fire fight... that jammed round could mean your life! so even if the next one is a PIA. Ramming the one thats in, home, to get one last lifesaving shot off, is when its important. As Ive heard the same thing you said "Just rack another round" which this other person did but then ran into same issue. So ended up still having to bash the FA to get off that round. He felt that racking another round an hitting same issue could have been seconds too long. Now thats 2 guys out of many ive spoken with and it was in the desert both times. No one else Ive asked has had to use it. Now I could see wanting it there for your bug out rifle when shit hits the fan and not knowing what situations you would be faced with... But for a target shooting plinker there is no need for it and looks better without. But my bug out rifle has it and its just there for that 1 in a million chance I could need it. just like the bug out bag and food rations them self. As for using the BCG dimple in theory thats great.... but muscle memory and training those guys never would have thought to use the dimple in a shit storm when all the training says smash smash smash that FA.
Great point.
So, you like the forward assist of the bolt carrier, but not the actual forward assist button? Why, because it has more mechanical advantage and can cram a round?
correct. in a life and death situation where you only need one shot, sure...go ahead and cram away.
Right on !!! As a Vietnam Veteran, US Army (1967 1968) I used an M16.
Today, my AR-15 doesn't have a forward assist.
My long range rifle is a Masterpiece Arms 6.5 CM, and its a great bolt gun.
Thanks for a great Viedo.
Thanks for watching!
My years in and a few deployments the forward assist is useless. Pull your charging handle and reload then go to work.
That's what I'm saying... everyone I've asked has never had to use it
used it a handful of times in service
It was called a solution looking for a problem! I did 20+ years in the military and never used it once! I was ready to kick it to the curb and then Kyle Rittenhouse actually used it in action... now I'm on the fence again! My ar9 doesn't have one though! It does work if the weapon is really fouled, dry and hot!
I agree. Just a unneeded protrusion & weight to carry for no reason. Great info.
Thanks man
Learned something new, thanks a lot bro. Be safe and have a happy holidays!!!
Happy holidays!