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I would love to have the Grecale Trofeo....BUT...... We do own a 2022 Stelvio Quadrifoglio which we absolutlely love. I don't feel the Grecale Trofeo is worth $38k more than our Stelvio QV. The MSRP on our QV was $90,470 and we paid $75,500, The Grecale Trofeo in an equal spec is $114k. We have had two Giulias (2021 Ti Sport Q4 is current daily) and a 2017 Maserati Granturismo and all have been more reliable than our Audis previously owned (so tired of non-owners bashing reliabiity)
I own a Grecale: the design of the infotainment is horrific. So is the placement of the gear selectors and the stupid idea to have them as buttons. They are clunky and dont engage quickly. Also right above the touch screen for the climate control, which means the sensitive climate controls get inadvertently switched off/on. These design flaws wear you down over the time. - Do you enjoy the three chimes when you start the car? Or having to hit the “accept” button every time? - Do you like the loud sound of the turn signal? - The audio mute also doesn't hold. Many things like notifications in your connected phone make the music come back on. - Sadly there is a reason Porsche sells 4x more Macans than the entire annual production of Maserati. - Oh and I forgot: good luck giving your car to a valet. You have to give them instructions through the open window. The parking brakes only automatically disengage if you are wearing a seatbelt.
I appreciate you guys going back to your roots and making videos like these again. I would like to see the return of personal tuner cars, though. But that's none of my business.
@@thehumanoid6543 the video was just released. Looking at view counts for videos that have been out a while, their new format doesn't seem to getting better views than the old format. However I believe Matt said where new format does better is avg watch time. My hypothesis is that if you consider the incremental time required for the new format, the ROI isn't that much better. Overall it seems like SmokingTire's new business model is making money on the storage facilities, podcasting/Patreon, and writing. The UA-cam channel is more about supporting the brand for those other endeavors.
**Not sure if anyone else noticed, but the launch at the 2:30 mark you can clearly see the rear end of the car slowly squat like a sprinter about to take off on a 100 meter sprint. So cool to see
Great video lads! Loving the elevated production quality. Your hard work pays off. I'm a Maserati, Aston Martin and Bentley salesman and glad to hear you are rooting for Maserati. We just got the new GranTurismos in stock and I look forward to hearing your thoughts.
Between the two, I still prefer the Stelvio. It's more unique-looking and there was actually some thought given to the infotainment and HVAC controls. Even if this is faster in a straight line, I've driven the Stelvio QV and it's way faster than can be utilized on the street anyway.
14:11 I work at a rental car company and we actually do have a Grecale in our fleet. In fact, just today I had to show a customer how to shift into drive, lmao.
Awesome video guys! And what a beautiful car, expect for the weird screen in the center. Based on my experience with the Giulia and Stelvio, I’m sure it drives amazing.
This new change in format is perfect! Also, It is always amusing when you hear the free music used by another channel (Valley Racing's end credits music).
Sounds exactly like the Quadrifoglio. Weird since the Nettuno has the same block, but different heads. I wonder how similar the detuned Nettuno is to the Alfa's 690T. Anything based on the Giorgio platform is going to be great.
@@M67v I've read they're a lot more reliable than you'd expect, especially with ZF. The major common issue that seems to come up is the engine variator
Radio volume slider over there is for the passenger. If you drive a lot of Chrysler products with volume/tune buttons on the back of the wheel, you use those as a driver 99% of the time.
Im watching and getting into the jam and all of the sudden it hits me! I've heard this before? It's Mike and JJ reviewing cars now in minecraft format?
@@jareknowak8712 Car people don’t always drive sales and that’s what companies are looking for, crossovers and SUVs are the hot thing and have been for years
No one drives these vehicles in the real world how Matt, Zack and other car journo’s do on test, so who gives a fig if crossover handling is only 95% as good as the equivalent sedan. Most people much prefer the higher seating position giving better visibility and ease of entry/exit. Grow up or just get a proper sports car if you’re that desperate…
Matt, the 2002-2019 Maserati motors are literally made in the Ferrari factory in Modena, designed by a Ferrari designer, and given shared engine codes: F136 (na) and F154 (turbo). The only major differences were the crankshaft and some intake plumbing amongst a few other small tweeks. The is coming from a biased F136r
Is this good enough that's it's worth considering with the smaller engine? Big power covers a lot of sins. A sign of the overall excellence of the Macan is that its in the conversation while 90 bhp down on power. How does the $75k version with the 325 hp 4-cyl engine compete?
Matt looks like diddy Kong in Mario kart but what we'll edited and filmed video this style filming is great it makes the channel look more expensive! 😅
I think this is a pretty good alternative for people want something different to the (now) run of the mill Macans. Will it maintain value like one? Probably not. Will it be as reliable as one? Also probably not. You can't deny it's italian flair though in a sea of german products.
Would personally never trade my Crosstour for one. Japanese know reliability and sturdiness. The Honda V6 takes well to aftermarket blowers and then it’s basically game over for Europe.
As someone who owns a Macan GTS, I agree. I was actually considering this car, until they priced it abkut $15k more than a GTS. And while you’re right that Macans have become “common,” at least there are fewer GTS running around. They’re pretty sweet. Maserati messed up their pricing.
Just gonna say: Great job on the video guys. I was two days late because you've programmed my monkey brain to look for smiling mugs. #algorithm #monkeybrain lol
I watched this just to support the channel but this seems like a nice car! Although paying 10-15% over the Porsche to get the Maserati badge might be an ask. But agree with the sentiment sometimes its nice to have a car that not everyone else drives…
I love that this car is a thing. Love that it’s very good. For 100k tho? Like STARTING at 100… no way man. Base should be 80s. Fully fully loaded low 100s would make way more sense. Can’t imagine spending 120k for a loaded on of these.
This car was designed for me---at least the Modena trim is. In two years as a CPO purchase with Maserati's unlimited mileage warranty. Porsches retain value to a degree no other brand can match....they just do However a CPO Maserati is an excellent luxury sports value imho. You can rack up unlimited miles worry free for three years, and since the big depreciation hit took place before you bought, you get to enjoy driving a 1%-er car for 20%-er money.
My heart goes out to the journalists who are forced to review these shopping carts on wheels as if they are remotely interesting (or even have many practical advantages) to actual enthusiasts.
I love the exterior styling and for my money the interior is nicer than any of the competition. If I was spending $100K on a crossover, this would be it.
Offtopic question for Matt: What kind of Royal Oak is that ? Kind of looks like a smartwatch verion of it, but as far as I know no such thing exists. Plus I doubt you'd buy something of the sort.
14:26 this isn’t a fair take toward Maserati. EVERY car manufacturer is doing this. i mean shit you don’t even get standard cruise control in the new colorado. it’s pay for ACC or nothing. price of cars going up and quality going down.
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Matt's watch ID? That's a gorgeous chrono.
Just and fyi: Got a typo on the video for the website.
Maserati engineering doing everything Audi doesn't, i like it.
Honestly guys, this is the perfect balance of new and old formatting for TST. 👌
"Finance like nobody is watching" 😂. That said, I hope Maserati can sell these and apply some pressure to Porsche.
That'd be nice, but I doubt it. Porsche still is technologically ahead and their sales numbers would probably confirm that.
Definitely not the case
I would love to have the Grecale Trofeo....BUT...... We do own a 2022 Stelvio Quadrifoglio which we absolutlely love. I don't feel the Grecale Trofeo is worth $38k more than our Stelvio QV. The MSRP on our QV was $90,470 and we paid $75,500, The Grecale Trofeo in an equal spec is $114k. We have had two Giulias (2021 Ti Sport Q4 is current daily) and a 2017 Maserati Granturismo and all have been more reliable than our Audis previously owned (so tired of non-owners bashing reliabiity)
I own a Grecale: the design of the infotainment is horrific. So is the placement of the gear selectors and the stupid idea to have them as buttons. They are clunky and dont engage quickly. Also right above the touch screen for the climate control, which means the sensitive climate controls get inadvertently switched off/on. These design flaws wear you down over the time.
- Do you enjoy the three chimes when you start the car? Or having to hit the “accept” button every time?
- Do you like the loud sound of the turn signal?
- The audio mute also doesn't hold. Many things like notifications in your connected phone make the music come back on.
- Sadly there is a reason Porsche sells 4x more Macans than the entire annual production of Maserati.
- Oh and I forgot: good luck giving your car to a valet. You have to give them instructions through the open window. The parking brakes only automatically disengage if you are wearing a seatbelt.
My 2019 Stelvio has 57000 miles. Not one thing has failed!
I appreciate you guys going back to your roots and making videos like these again.
I would like to see the return of personal tuner cars, though. But that's none of my business.
Yes!! So glad to see video like this again.
We have videos of a supercharged ISF and a crazy swapped Scirocco coming up!
@@TheSmokingTire F Yeah
doesn't seem to be working. 15K views only. I love the video, but I doubt if other people did.
@@thehumanoid6543 the video was just released. Looking at view counts for videos that have been out a while, their new format doesn't seem to getting better views than the old format. However I believe Matt said where new format does better is avg watch time.
My hypothesis is that if you consider the incremental time required for the new format, the ROI isn't that much better.
Overall it seems like SmokingTire's new business model is making money on the storage facilities, podcasting/Patreon, and writing. The UA-cam channel is more about supporting the brand for those other endeavors.
Love this SUV. In a sea of BMW and Porsche, this is a very nice all rounder with style and the performance to match.
**Not sure if anyone else noticed, but the launch at the 2:30 mark you can clearly see the rear end of the car slowly squat like a sprinter about to take off on a 100 meter sprint. So cool to see
Test drove one this weekend and even at 30 punching it, the gracale squats and goes.
@@GeraldRisch I have it at 30'000 miles right now. The engine is so damn brutal.
Great video lads! Loving the elevated production quality. Your hard work pays off. I'm a Maserati, Aston Martin and Bentley salesman and glad to hear you are rooting for Maserati. We just got the new GranTurismos in stock and I look forward to hearing your thoughts.
This was a joy to watch, you’ve nailed the format to the second
enjoying this at 30'000 miles right now. This motor is insane, if you get a Grecale, has to be the Trofeo
Between the two, I still prefer the Stelvio. It's more unique-looking and there was actually some thought given to the infotainment and HVAC controls. Even if this is faster in a straight line, I've driven the Stelvio QV and it's way faster than can be utilized on the street anyway.
14:11
I work at a rental car company and we actually do have a Grecale in our fleet. In fact, just today I had to show a customer how to shift into drive, lmao.
Is it just me or is that seat bouncing around a hell of alot.
thought the same thing
Came here to say this, it’s about all I could see other than Matt was flying.
Came here to say the same exact thing. Really odd - must not very secured and/or solid?
@@lucasbishop3125 yeah, what's up with that? you'll have to take a Dramamine
Had the same thought. Looks like its not properly mounted or something.
Can't believe how much the driver seat moves. Was it not screwed down correctly? On that standing start I thought Matt would end up in the back seats.
That's exactly what I was thinking!
Maybe it's the Maserati built quality. I'm not surprised.
Awesome video guys! And what a beautiful car, expect for the weird screen in the center. Based on my experience with the Giulia and Stelvio, I’m sure it drives amazing.
This new change in format is perfect! Also, It is always amusing when you hear the free music used by another channel (Valley Racing's end credits music).
Sounds exactly like the Quadrifoglio. Weird since the Nettuno has the same block, but different heads. I wonder how similar the detuned Nettuno is to the Alfa's 690T. Anything based on the Giorgio platform is going to be great.
I like this car. You can tell it's built by people who still care about driving. That engine is a masterpiece. Well done maserati.
I want to say a quick thank you Matt and Zack for the high quality of these reviews and really appreciate the time and effort you're putting in
Hate to say it, but if you don't like the QP5, you just don't have a soul, man. It wasn't perfect, but it was gorgeous and sounded like sex on wheels.
Apparently it drove very well too especially with the ZF 6HP
They are great and the sport GT S isn’t unreliable. I have one and it’s truly great.
@@Eidrian111 They’re reliable??? How many miles is on yours?
this is 100% correct. When they showed a pic of one and said "boring" in the intro I thought WTF
@@M67v I've read they're a lot more reliable than you'd expect, especially with ZF. The major common issue that seems to come up is the engine variator
Great jobs chaps! The new style has brought me back to the channel 🤘🏼
Man, You guys are absolutely nailing these videos. Superb 👏🏻
Radio volume slider over there is for the passenger. If you drive a lot of Chrysler products with volume/tune buttons on the back of the wheel, you use those as a driver 99% of the time.
Wtf cares?
@@DavidM-mb1vx Zach commented on it, watch the video. And obviously YOU cared enough to leave a reply.
It farts violently on upshift...
Great video. For some reason in pictures it looks like a Ford Escape-sized crossover, so the size was a surprise.
I agree, the proportions are obviously very good, so it looks smaller than it is. It does look good for this segment of cars
I really like this, I think I like it more than a Stelvio and that's saying something. Hope people actually buy them.
Im watching and getting into the jam and all of the sudden it hits me! I've heard this before? It's Mike and JJ reviewing cars now in minecraft format?
Can't wait to hear the "Yerrus" crowd try to pronounce the name of this one.
1:15 Pagani and Koenigsegg : "Am I a joke to you?"
Beautiful video! Reminds me of the drive /tuned days!
“Finance like nobody’s watching” might be the best quote in the whole piece 😂😂😂
nice watch, matt, wish i was in the market for that collection.
6:08 in recent motorsport history the MC12 dominated FIA GT between 2005 and 2010
Wasn’t that a rebodied Ferrari Enzo rather than a genuine Mazza product?
@neilturner6749 pretty much.
I really miss watching your vids. Gonna watch more!
That’s an interesting dial, what watch is Matt wearing?
look at that beautiful Autodromo Group B Rally Chrono on your wrist ;)
HOLY SHIT!!! It squats when you brake stance it!!!! That's cool!! Now, on to the rest of the video! =P
Like all crossovers, it would handle better if it was a saloon/sedan or hatchback - i.e. not needlessly tall.
unfortunately nobody buys sedans anymore
@@Gearbhall
Car people still do.
@@jareknowak8712 Car people don’t always drive sales and that’s what companies are looking for, crossovers and SUVs are the hot thing and have been for years
@@Justin_GFM
I agree with You.
Your statement doesnt disprove mine.
No one drives these vehicles in the real world how Matt, Zack and other car journo’s do on test, so who gives a fig if crossover handling is only 95% as good as the equivalent sedan. Most people much prefer the higher seating position giving better visibility and ease of entry/exit. Grow up or just get a proper sports car if you’re that desperate…
Awesome video. Thanks guys!
Autodromo Chronograph!!!
What the heck!
I'm proud to have worked on this car's air suspension. Seems like a decent product overall
yeah....suspension is so good it needed to have work on it already......sure Goober......................LOL
That driver’s seat seems to move around A LOT with a LG human behind the wheel.
Forza Italia🇮🇹🇮🇹👍👍👍
It is basically Stelvio in nice clothing, engine is Stelvio with some add ons
Matt, the 2002-2019 Maserati motors are literally made in the Ferrari factory in Modena, designed by a Ferrari designer, and given shared engine codes: F136 (na) and F154 (turbo). The only major differences were the crankshaft and some intake plumbing amongst a few other small tweeks. The is coming from a biased F136r
If my car upshifted like that I don't think I could take it out in public.
Autodromo spotted!! Nice Matt
Is this good enough that's it's worth considering with the smaller engine? Big power covers a lot of sins. A sign of the overall excellence of the Macan is that its in the conversation while 90 bhp down on power. How does the $75k version with the 325 hp 4-cyl engine compete?
Matt looks like diddy Kong in Mario kart but what we'll edited and filmed video this style filming is great it makes the channel look more expensive! 😅
Looks great in dark blue.
Ugly is complimentary. Included for free. How can one company design both Levante sport and this, Is mind bugling.
It farts every upshift, nice
Autodromo watch looks amazing.
Is that the Hodinkee edition Group B Chrono?
@@flyingphoenix113 yes, sold out already.
@@bogosian. not all of them
Unfortunately American car makers has never been able to build a gem like this
I think this is a pretty good alternative for people want something different to the (now) run of the mill Macans. Will it maintain value like one? Probably not. Will it be as reliable as one? Also probably not. You can't deny it's italian flair though in a sea of german products.
Would personally never trade my Crosstour for one. Japanese know reliability and sturdiness. The Honda V6 takes well to aftermarket blowers and then it’s basically game over for Europe.
@@chamade166 wtf 😂
@@carsaregood911 bruh I'm cracking up too 😂 watch out for the turbo crosstour world beater
@@chamade166 hahahahahahaha
As someone who owns a Macan GTS, I agree. I was actually considering this car, until they priced it abkut $15k more than a GTS. And while you’re right that Macans have become “common,” at least there are fewer GTS running around. They’re pretty sweet. Maserati messed up their pricing.
Was that a fart at 14:43? Lolololol
Excellent. I’ll take one in 2 years after it depreciates 75%
it wont maserrati is back
@@donttruckhere lol sure boss
The engine layout looks exactly like the one on the quadrifoglio
This type of video is good! Not as formulaic as the typical canyon drive
That watch of Matt's is beautiful, what is it?
Based on reviews so far, this seems like a killer in its segment, price aside.
I want one
I want one bad
Yayyy!!! MASERATI'S back!!!!
what's with the seat moving side to side under acceleration and turning..... very disconcerting!
“A pretty good car. A pretty complete package.” For 6 figures, I’d want a lot more.
SUV of the year
Lol
That looks like a great road.
Alfa owner here. What's not mentioned about Maserati, the dealers network sucks...
Im pretty sure this would outperform the Levante Trofeo, even being down 70hp. The interior looks better too.
how does this compare to a stelvio quad.? is it worth the price hike?
Fun video. Video looks amazing.
While I don't care for X-overs/SUVs, definitely looking forward to more tuner coverage.
That seat is mounted on a sponge
Why is the drivers seat moving around so much , never noticed that on any other car 🤷♂️
Just gonna say: Great job on the video guys. I was two days late because you've programmed my monkey brain to look for smiling mugs. #algorithm #monkeybrain lol
helluva banging PRX there Matt!
I don't think that's a PRX. Looks like a limited edition Autodromo.
It's the Autodromo Group B S4
Question to be begged, How does it compare to its sibling the Stelvio QV?
I watched this just to support the channel but this seems like a nice car! Although paying 10-15% over the Porsche to get the Maserati badge might be an ask. But agree with the sentiment sometimes its nice to have a car that not everyone else drives…
Yup. That’s what steered me away from it. Cross shopped it with a Macan GTS and chose the Porsche. They have a pricing problem with the Maserati.
Uhhh you show the Quattroporte as you say "boring".. no way that was intentional
I love that this car is a thing. Love that it’s very good. For 100k tho? Like STARTING at 100… no way man. Base should be 80s. Fully fully loaded low 100s would make way more sense. Can’t imagine spending 120k for a loaded on of these.
Why is Matt giving some John Davis vibes in this vid😂😂
No ventilated seats? Heated seats only for the front?
For $51k+ the lack of such simple features is unacceptable.
This car was designed for me---at least the Modena trim is. In two years as a CPO purchase with Maserati's unlimited mileage warranty. Porsches retain value to a degree no other brand can match....they just do However a CPO Maserati is an excellent luxury sports value imho. You can rack up unlimited miles worry free for three years, and since the big depreciation hit took place before you bought, you get to enjoy driving a 1%-er car for 20%-er money.
Porsche sport cars maybe that Cayenne and Macan won't hold well either.
I like it,...at some point they will get it right, they are way closer now!
My heart goes out to the journalists who are forced to review these shopping carts on wheels as if they are remotely interesting (or even have many practical advantages) to actual enthusiasts.
What’s better - stelvio quadrofoglio or this trofeo in terms of performance?
I love the exterior styling and for my money the interior is nicer than any of the competition. If I was spending $100K on a crossover, this would be it.
Am I the only one who hates the fart sound on upshifts??
I don’t bet it has the quality of Porsche. Damn thing is expensive, if I heard squeaking and rattling after 5K I would lose my shit!!
Matt´s watch? What it is?
Autodromo Group B S4
surprisingly I like it, but man is this thing gonna be one big headache with not only the price but with all the breakdowns and electrical gremlins
Missed opportunity to say that it won't go 185 but it'll sure as hell feel like it.
What is the watch that Matt is wearing?
Offtopic question for Matt: What kind of Royal Oak is that ? Kind of looks like a smartwatch verion of it, but as far as I know no such thing exists. Plus I doubt you'd buy something of the sort.
It’s the Autodromo Hodinkee Group B
Is that seat on springs?
A Maserati two-car-garage everyone likes :)
What watch are you wearing in this video Matt?
Autodromo Group B S4
Not sure about that drivers seat flexing to that degree. Can't see that happening in a Porsche BMW Merc Jaguar Range Rover product.
14:26 this isn’t a fair take toward Maserati. EVERY car manufacturer is doing this. i mean shit you don’t even get standard cruise control in the new colorado. it’s pay for ACC or nothing. price of cars going up and quality going down.
I want the mc20 engine upgrade please - extra 100 bhp and 85 lb ft please
Then you Sir need to grow up!