Comparison: Rear Hitch Tire Carriers (Wilco, RIGd, Dirt Complex)
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- Опубліковано 16 лют 2021
- In this video, we do a candid comparison of the Wilco Offroad "Hitch Gate Solo" and the RIGd Supply "Ultraswing Multifit". To my surprise, the tire carrier by RIGd didn't totally mop the floor with the Wilco unit. The main issue I noticed was that there was an extrusion straight back that would greatly affect departure angle. A month after, I had the opportunity to visit Dirt Complex to test fit their "Trail Swing". Find out if it meets OR exceeds the competition!
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**Update** APRIL 17, 2022:
*Dirt Complex Trail Swing: $1750.*
*RIGd Ultraswing, price increase to $1600.*
*Wilco Hitch gate Solo high clearance: $1068 w/o swinging hitch receiver, $1157 w/ swinging hitch receiver.*
**Update** August 14, 2021: Price increases in effect for Wilco and RIGd
**Update** April 20, 2021: 3 months have passed since the making of this video, so please note that the cost of these tire carriers have changed. I realize, changes in price and features may change, so I'll try to keep on top of them in this "Pinned Post". *Please read below!* Also note, any inaccurate or troll comments will be deleted from this pinned post. My observations below are objective based, but my opinions are subjective. I try to keep it as unbiased as possible.
The *Wilco Hitchgate solo high clearance with the swinging hitch option* went for $906, then $997. Now it's $1157.
-This is the original mass market swing out tire carrier! Which also means this is an earlier design! A pin is used to secure the swing out. Over time, metal on metal wears out and deforms. Many of my friends have experienced wobbling after a couple of years. Also, because of the pin hole design, this tire carrier is not easy to use, and requires two hand operation. This tire carrier was designed with enough foresight to incorporate an upward pitched angle of the hitch receiver. This makes for a minimal impact when off-road or driving up and down a steep driveway.
-What I think they could improved: IMO, they could incorporate a latch system to address wobbling and ease of use. They by far have the lowest price point, but how much more would that push the price up?
The *RIDg Ultraswing MultiFit* was $1300 but it has increased to $1400
-This tire carrier was the first to incorporate a hitch receiver into the swing out. This allows for bikes and gear to swing out along with the tire! This means that you'll have easy access to your tailgate or rear hatch! This is absolutely game changing for people in the cycling/mountain biking community. Unfortunately, this tire carrier has a hitch receiver that goes straight back 6 inches! I can't think of many stock vehicles (even trucks) that wouldn't be affected by this adverse change to departure angle. This will be a deal breaker to many. This tire carrier is made of mild steel and uses industry standard components, BUT has an awesome stylish pressure latch to secure the swing out. When that latch puts pressure on the plastic pads, wobbling while offroad doesn't happen.
-What I think they could improved: IMO, they just need to angle their rear hitch receiver upwards to not affect departure angle so much. This would be a good mid tier tire carrier.
***Disclaimer: I've had the opportunity to test out Dirt Complex's Trail Swing back in Mid February. I've been very impressed with this unit. Not only does it improve on the other two tire carriers, but it also offers unique quality of life and safety features. Dirt Complex offered to sponsor me at the end of March 2021 after I returned from a trip to Moab Utah and completed the 9 mile Fins N Things trail. There's alot of places a hitch will scrape there, and it passed the test! I was absolutely honored to accept and it was announced on my Instagram account on March 25th, 2021. Here's the post: instagram.com/p/CM2HQphgvV9/?
I do not make any commission if you buy a Trail Swing! I do not benefit in any way if you buy one. Dirt Complex is just one of my "build supporters". For the record, I have turned down an actual paid sponsorship early on when I bought my vehicle because I did not believe in the product offered. I have one other build supporter, and that's Nolo Designs (no-lodesigns.com/)
The DirtComplex Trail Swing was first introduced with a presale price of $1250. Sales are halted momentarily as they transition to a "Retail Business Structure". Dirt Comp retailers will sell them for about $1750. Also, note that the "accessory hitch" is an added bolt on feature (for carrying bikes), I'm not sure what the added cost would be, but we will see in the coming weeks.
-This tire carrier features an upward pitch right out of the hitch receiver. This allows for a near uninterrupted departure angle (I tested this on the Fins N Things trail in my Honda SUV see the results here: instagram.com/p/CM2HQphgvV9/). It's made with style out of chromoly, which has higher strength than mild steel (Many race car roll cages are made of this stuff). This is the first mass produced swing out tire carrier to incorporate a spring operated auto stop feature which enhances ease of use and safety. The components of this tire carrier is more robust than the other offerings. The hinge bolt is twice as big at 1 inch diameter. The license plate holder is made of 3/16" steel plate and fully outlines the license plate, this means no more bent license plates from wind or water.
-What I think could be improved: IMO, the cost is quite high for the average consumer. I understand this is due to higher quality materials and more features, but can a lower cost version made?
Thanks for the video. Yeah they are about $1k more now in 2023.
I just can't get around the idea of $1200 to carry a spare.
I hear ya, and I wouldn’t spend even $800 to carry a spare tire, that’s exactly why I’ve kept my full size spare in my lockable roof top cargo carrier. It holds lots of camping gear too! BUT, the reason I’m willing to fork over the cash is because these things do “double duty”. With the hitch receiver built into the swingout. This means my mountains bikes will swing out of the way with one hand operation. Even the latch adds a layer of inconvenience, but with the functionality, I’m willing to pay.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring what lockable roof box do you have? I’m trying to find one for my 2021 Subaru Crosstrek to care a full size 225/65/R17 spare in.
@@christophersmith2152 my roof box was a Thule motion XT “alpine”. I bought it because it would fit up to a 33” tire. For a Crosstrek I’d recommend the Thule Force line, it’s more economical and has a good shape. Thule is one of the only cargo carrier companies that list the “internal dimensions” on their website, so check them out
Dirt Complex is the only one that is built anything close to a real swingout steel offroad bumper.
The cromo is a nice upgrade- much higher strength to weight, and they addressed some reinforcement at the hitch, because these are all big lever arms. Ideally a second bracket near the pin that bolted to the frame would be ideal.
Wobbling is allowing destructive leverage. A lot of washboard and that amplifies the work load on a wobbling part.
I'm shocked at the prices of the very simple and low manufacturing cost models. That feels like pure profit with no real engineering, but I don't know the market.
This was a very interesting comparison/review. The Dirt Complex product is awesome, so nice to see someone truly thinking through the design.
Agreed
Yes, AJ at Dirt Complex is a very smart guy, has a degree in automotive design and didn’t skimp out. At first, a lot of this stuff was beyond me. I didn’t know what chromoly tubing was, I didn’t know why they used a 1” bolt instead of a 1/2” bolt. They’re also very transparent about their carrier and the materials that are used. Im excited for this thing! Remember my hitch cargo basket and the system I told you i planned to build out? Well, it’s going to happen and it’s going to be able to swing out of the way too!! 😃
@@HudsonZRoamer hello 👋 Mr. Roamer!
Hey Yeah! Thanks for posting. I just picked up a new rig and have been looking for options for a swing out carrier, since its not a Toyota there's not a million out there. I hadn't even come across the dirt complex anywhere, so that's a good find. looks like it will be awesome for you guys with the subies' and other lower clearance crossovers with the step up. I am going with the RigD for the sole reason that Ive always got bikes too and having the tire, the bikes, and anything else I might have strapped on back there with one smooth motion was what I needed in my life. I live in mammoth so it was awesome to see you guys tooling around in the neighborhood. Cheers 🤙🏼
Just found your channel today, damn good! Subscribed.
While not looking for a hitch tire carrier, this was a pretty good and well presented review. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for showing clear shots of the departure angle from the side. So many reviews totally miss that and just move the camera too fast.
Thank you for this video. Good work!
I've been waiting for this review. Thanks for the info.
You're everywhere!
@@BorderlineExplorer Nice modeling effort! I almost pulled the trigger on the dirt complex but I need sliders first.
@@vibolbou5903 We played around with it as well. It's pretty cool, ticks most of the boxes we were looking for. Just wish it had more accessories. I want something like a front runner table mounted on it. I'll release a video in a day or two on the DirtCom Trail Swing.
@@BorderlineExplorer I thought AJ said there was a table coming that is similar to the frontrunner table. That's a bonus for me too. I'll be all over your video when it comes out....
@@vibolbou5903 yah we saw some sketches. BRB lemme get my wallet out.
Love your channel subscribed:)
Thanks for the support!
Great video. I built my own using a Yakima swing away with a Curt spare tire carrier. I used a dual hitch extension 7.5 in. rise to get the swing away up and back from the rear. A couple mods included cutting the swing away arm and adjustments to the Curt for proper fit. Total cost less than $400. The lower hitch mount can be used for my bike rack (or trailer). I bought a a Thule spare tire mount bike rack for rough off roading with my mt bike. I own a 2019 Outback with after market hitch.
Thanks for sharing! Great resourcefulness and ingenuity! The roof top cargo carrier was one of the first things I bought for the passport and I repurposed it to carry my full size spare. You’ll see at the start of my video I also hard mounted a heavy duty tire inflator (smittybilt 5.65 CFM!) to the cargo carrier. I’m all about a little DIY modifications! I actually plan to repurpose this tire carrier once I get it! So stay tuned to see I come up with. It will involve my curt rear hitch cargo basket and I’m going to make the Passport into a real camper.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring I also have a RoofNest roof top tent with a rack where I had my tire last summer. It was a pain to take off and put back on every night, hence my new method. I can now put my kayaks on again. I will take post pics or a short video soon. I also want to mention I have no movement on the set up, even with the bike and carrier mounted.
Thanks for making this video, great to see a comparison.
I have a Rig'd Ultraswing on my 4th Gen 4runner and have run a lot of “difficult” rated trails here in Colorado, I have slammed the Ultraswing a few times but it's held up extremely well other than a but of rock rash. My departure angles aren't that great to begin with but I'd rather hit the tire carrier than my bumper.
For something like a 4runner, departure angle isn’t as important, but in vehicles like the Subaru Outback and Mitsubishi Outlander or any other crossover type vehicle where the hitch hangs low, departure angle is a big deal. Also trucks generally have a bad departure angle too. 4runners and Jeep Wranglers won’t have much of an issue. Thanks for stopping by to leave a comment and sharing your experience.
Man!!! The dirt complex! I would never consider the others because my wife would struggle opening them. I think I found the answer! Thanks Jon.
You’re very welcome Jamel! I can confirm, the Dirt Complex and RIGd carriers are “beer in one hand ✋ “ tested and approved!
Like your video, I ended up with a used Rigd Ultraswing for my Tundra with camera relocation kit. Was too good of a deal to pass up. But this new carrier you showed looks good and makes sense!
You put out good down to earth content. Keep the videos coming.
Thanks for the kind words! I think on a vehicle like a Tundra or anything with a crazy amount of ground clearance, the RIGd’s lack of departure angle won’t be much of an issue. But there are plenty of crossover vehicles out there that don’t have good departure angles, and some of the more hardcore offroad guys can really benefit from an angled tow hitch receiver.
By far the best design I’ve seen. Just far too much for me. I hope you guys make it through the next couple of years, so maybe once they go way down, a ton of people (me included) will buy them. Looks AWESOME!
I had a Wilco rear tire carrier on the back of my wife's Subaru Forester for about two years and there were no issues and plenty of departure clearance. The pin wasn't difficult for her to pull (although, you do need two hands); however, it was a hassle and she hated going shopping with it because it was always dirty (due to the exhaust).
My Wife and I use a hitch bike carrier. There’s a threaded pin that I can unscrew to gain access to the rear hatch but I just hated the extra step or having to handle the 100 - 200 lbs of bikes. Man... I’m so willing to spend the extra money for one hand operation 🤣
Loving your red privacy cover :)
It looks cheap, functional and should work well in the cold.
My style as well :)
I think you did a good job explaining the differences. They seem like a good option for people who maybe don’t want to do heavy modification to their vehicle or need the modularity. The price point is nuts though, that definitely hurts. Would be cool to do a facility tour like you did. Thanks for sharing!
Price point is definitely expensive. When bought my Passport I knew the only options for carrying a full size spare was the “roof” of the “hitch”. I opted for the roof because I wasn’t thrilled about the Wilco carrier being “pin” operated. The RIDg carrier was tantalizing because not only is it latch operated, but it has the super convenient hitch receiver built into the swing out. $1300 is freakin cray cray tho! Dirt comp presale is $1100 and after that the price will be $1250, but there’s way more value with the large 1 inch bolt (twice the size) and the best feature of all.... the auto stop! Talk about ease of use! I still think highly of RIGd. I don’t think they charge an unfair price, I just feel there’s more value with Wilco being $400 cheaper and Dirt Comp giving more value for around the same price.
CJC off road did a video on the rigd carrier. It seems that they made more for a pickup than an suv. On a lifted half ton, it will clear obstacles better. It also fits up to a 40 in tire
You read my mind jon but I was looking at rigd like what Edward has but I actually like what u came up with. Very nice job again like usual
I too had my eye set on the RIGd tire carrier as well, but during this trip to Joshua Tree with Subaruski and Revving9k, I was able to see how much the tow hitch receiver sticks out. The Dirt Comp unit has the auto stop feature, which is so convenient.
Yes I totally agree. Mine is a larger vehicle but it will still be perfect fit I think as long as it clears my tailgate. Can't wait to see on your rig. It looked really good besides being fully functional.
@@04JALD my friend with the Jeep gladiator did a test and it was found that a larger tire carrier would be a better fit. There will be a larger version of this tire carrier
To bad I couldn't get one on the back of my burb and do a video with the tire rack on a overlander burb. Ppl will think about the rack being very cool and maybe again trying to promote more burbs for overlanding rigs. But I want mine to look more like the part it needs to be which it will soon. 😊
Hit the nail on the head when you observed that you want your hitch to be the one being hit - mine sticks out for a reason. If that is being hit it means other parts aren't being hit (gas tank, bumper, etc)
What's the wheel and tire package on the Outlander? I've been looking around for some, but I don't know where to look for those rims. I REALLY like them and the one I'm looking at is black so it would still work. Also loving what you've done with the Passport that thing is wicked!! :D
I just found an Outback 3.6R Limited for sale as well, but I'm probably going to have to flip a coin between the two because they're both so close to what I'm looking for.
Thanks I was wondering what the differences were!
You’re very welcome!
I have the Rigd and that pin is still a pain to pull...release the lever first, then reach in and pull the pin. I usually have to push up on the tire or wiggle it a bit to get it out. It's just the way it is for a solid, secure setup. also, it started to rust, (I live in Texas) so some lube is needed. I like mine and it was cheaper than buying the whole rear bumper. I wish mine tucked in closer to my vehicle though. It sticks out about 2 inches too far.
Another great video. We considered one of these for our GX but decided we’d just do a dual swing out bumper in a year or two. What are the steel bumper options with tire carrier for the Passport? With the way you continue to push the limits, perhaps that is the way to go for you, even if it is a custom option.
There are zero options for a steel bumper for any of the Current Gen midsized Hondas. I’m really big on keeping my builds as light as possible. Even Adding this 65 lb. tire carrier had me a bit hesitant (I’m just picky like that). A steel bumper is around 250lbs. Each. My friend Daklakfoto has a GX470 with the two pinion, 8 inch rear diff and he blew it up on a trail. We were thinking all the added weight was part of the cause. He’s upgraded to the 4 pinion 8.2” diff from a FJ cruiser.
So with all that said, I probably wouldn’t go with a metal bumper unless it was light enough weight. Maybe aluminum or tube 😃
@@JonDZ_Adventuring Too bad on lack of options. We are looking at the Kaymar bumper which is more of an Overlanding bumper but adds only 75 lbs or so after subtracting the weight loss with trimming and removal of factory hitch. It gives better clearance and higher receiver, decent protection (not really for frequent rock crawling), and the dual swingout. I’ve seen some custom Suburu stuff with the same design ethic.
@@robbergstrom943 oh nice! 75lbs is nothing!
Dirtcom is making a Trail Swing that is specific for the GX. It will swing out to the left. I would contact them and ask about it. There are units in route as we speak!:)
@@harrisonortis7851 Thanks! Will check it out.
I need that dirt complex
I think he's got a good product and I think you'll end up seeing the bigger one on the Gladiator and hopefully one will fit onto the 100 series as well. We'll have to test.
Yeah. I was so stubborn wasn’t I? I was set on RIGd because of the built in hitch receiver on the swingout, but seeing how badly the tow hitch receiver stuck out and scraped was a deal breaker. We definitely have to give thanks to RIGd for coming up with the idea 💡. I see that Wilco now offers a welded hitch swing out option, and it’s good to know Dirtcomp has the bolt-on option. I’m super excited about this tire carrier. It’ll be more than just that. It’ll carry extra fuel, a cooking table, trasharoo, cargo carrier platform, and I’ll be happy to free up the space up top.
6monkeys Swing is much more affordable and built just as well, $50 upcharge for custom specs if you want them. Base price is like $850. I have one on my 4wd Touareg TDI. They fit a lot of vehicles. Originally made for Grand Cherokee, but the list grows.
Looks very similar to the RIGd tire carrier and may be a good alternative. The DirtCom tire carrier is like nothing else on the market and it’s most recent iteration with the CNCed billet bar stock, chromoly tubing puts it in a class all its own. You truly get what you pay for.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring I do love their product but too Fine of a wine for my beginner taste 😂
The ultimate “bro” tire carrier on trail comparison. 👍🏽👍🏽
My problem with the Wilco is the amount of noise and shaking you get from it over time. So, I got the RIGd because of the in-hitch expander that prevents shaking or squeaking. It'll even hold in the hitch carrier without the hitch pin in a pinch.
Hey Jon I have a question I have a 2005 Mercury grand Marquis GS and I'm looking to get a hitch mounted rear tire mount like the ones I see here would these work for my car ???
As long as you have a 2 inch hitch receiver, these tire carriers will work. Because your departure angle will be a concern going up and down ramps, I’d go with either Wilco or Dirt Comp since they have an upward pitched angle (refer to the thumb picture).
remember that one time i was like check out the dirtcomplex carrier when you were so set on the rigd? ;)
True story! I had to watch the DirtComp video 3 times before I completed it 🤣. It was during the Joshua Tree scouting trip where I realized the issue with the departure angle. It was the rear hitch swing out option that really sold me on Dirt Comp. Honestly, without the option I wouldn’t go for it
@@JonDZ_Adventuring glad you guys were able to link up and work on the product together!
that dirt complex carrier looks frickin awesome!!
looks flimsy tbh when extended. i got the rigd , and carry 2 jerry cans instead of the tire and a added table
@@AmazonWebService98 Looks pretty sturdy to me. Plus I would only carry a 30" so I'm good.
Word on the street is that the RIGd unit is made of unlisted low quality steel. The Dirt Comp unit’s materials are listed. Chromoly tubing and 3/16” steel plate. 1” bolt, which is twice the size. What I like about the RIGd unit is that sexy latch system 😃. I was going to go with the RIGd until I compared it to Wilco and saw how bad the departure angle was going to be. Dirt comp hit this genre of tire carrier out of the park with their unit. I hate chrome and I’ll be painting the latch, but nice it’s rated for twice the weight. Now that I know what I know, it seems RIGd is a little sneaky with their marketing. They list a 10K towing capacity, and have that big yellow sticker on the receiver tongue, but on their website they state that the vehicles towing capacity is halved when the hitch receiver is extended. This means my 5000 lb. towing capacity gets dropped to 2500 lbs. the only vehicle that will get close to the 10,000 tow rating of the hitch carrier will be a heavy duty 3/4 ton truck. The biggest issue is how low the carrier hangs.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring
I don't do any serious off roading, spare tire still under truck, but I mounted 2 brackets on the outside and bolted a jerry can holder to it which seems to be working fine, but again I don't go on trails since i'm keeping my truck pretty stock besides a 2 inch lvl kit
@@JonDZ_Adventuring Only thing I actually dislike about the DC is how tall it is from hitch to top of swing arm. My car with a tailgate would hit the arm so unfortunately I can't order 😔
I REALLY like the Dirt Complex Swing...!
Me too! I can’t wait to get mine! Ahh, I have so many plans for it. With the bracket already included.... it’s a DIYers dream. I’m making my own damn table!
@@JonDZ_Adventuring Awesome idea, for your stove?
Yes, for the stove 😃 and cutting board.
My next upgrade fire sure
Hi,
Do you know if anyone makes an extension for a cj7 jeep with a swing away carrier? As my T handle for my liftgate extends to far out and so my carrier hits it and won't close.
Thanks for the video. 😃
Would you be able to measure the distance from the hitch receiver on the Dirtcom Trail Swing to the outside edge of the mounted tire when the Trail Swing is swung all the way open? Basically, I'm trying to understand if I'm towing my trailer while using the Trail Swing, will I actually be able to swing the trail swing all the way open to access my trunk, or will it hit my trailer before opening all the way. Thanks so much in advance!
The hinge is 28" from the center of the hitch. Tire is mounted center. So the outer edge of the tire will depend on the size and wheel offset.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring Great! So if I'm understanding correctly, it'd be 28" plus half the height of the tire you have mounted for the total amount of clearance you'd need to be able to swing it open. Does that sound correct?
im thinking of getting the rigd ultraswing i have an fj but in idk ig my next tire would fit the door mount since ill be going for 285 70 17 what do you think which one worked for you better
What about rear view cams and rear parking sensors?
The Wilco solo is light duty, compare the Wilco Offset for a heavy duty version. Been carrying a 33" tire for 4 years and rock solid, plus 2 jerry cans and hilift.
RIGd also has a heavy duty version, and Dirt Comp is working on theirs 👍. It’s good to have competition, in the end, we the consumers win!
I wasn't impressed with my KO2's either when I ran them on the Gen 5.
Do you use the original spare tire location for storage now?
Today I learned that I'm mispronouncing RIGd.
BRUCEYYYYYYY! Yes, I have been using the storage area for my 30 inch donut spare since Day 1 of owning the Passport.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring I can't even use my factory donut anymore since I've swapped to Ascent brakes front and rear.
Need to find a solution for the full sized matching spare I have other than letting it wonder around in the trunk or in the back seat.
I don't like roof racks/baskets since they make a lot of noise and I'm not sold on a hitch carrier either. Maybe only for trips but I wouldn't want to deal with it in normal daily use.
I'm like 90% convinced myself to knock the rear out enough to fit a full sized spare and call it a day.
Did you have DirtCom customize anything for the Passport? Or is it stock (aside from the add-on side mount for the rotopax)?
It is a prototype that I borrowed. The standard Trail Swing will be just like the photo type. The bracket system will support bolt on add ons. There will be nothing custom welded. *Once the bolt on swing out receiver comes in, I’m going to be doing some tests! I have big plans to incorporate it into my Honda Passport camper setup.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring You sold me on it. Just put my order in.
@@seandenney5780 haha! I don’t work for them 🤣 so I won’t be able to put your order in. Their presale ends mid March. Another thing to point out is that the bolt on hitch receiver for the swing out will be separate, it’s called the accessory bracket.
dirtcomusa.com/products/hitch-mounted-high-clearance-tire-carrier-swing-out
@@JonDZ_Adventuring Ordered that too.
“The fake bead locks taint by family’s name” 😂😂
My thoughts exactly when I see other rigs like that…. I live in CA so just about everyone.
I’m just going stick with my stock First Edition rims on my Bronco Sport.
Only the horse is chrome but maybe do a flat black when I upgrade the tires.
I wanna put this on my 2016 jeep renegade
I think I like the dirtcomplex solution!
Does the DC double as a jack point?
Tiger Quach from Spider Roof Rack is coming out with a similar type of product too.
What I'd you have a gx and the door swings out would it work as well?
There’s a left hand swing, which is perfect for the Lexus GX
Is the license plate light battery operated or is it wired into the trailer hitch harness? And how does it affect the backup camera? If it is blocked completely, is there a relocation kit available for our Passports?
The light has a positive and negative lead. I borrowed the tire carrier for a weekend for testing, so we just connected the leads to a 9V battery. There are trailer harness kits you can use to power the lights. The guy with white Mitsubishi Outlander GT wired up his RIGd that way.
On the Dirt Comp unit, you can see a grommet where you can run the wire through. Also, the tire carrier has many holes and slots to zip tie the wire down. That’s another thing I like about it. You don’t need an extra bracket to attach things (like rotopax or tables).
As far as the back up camera. There is no wiring harness extension available. I reached out to Honda a year ago and they said the camera and wiring harness is “proprietary”😣. While I can see the corners and directly below, most of the view is blocked by the camera.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring Thanks for the review and replying to my questions. I’m planning a trip out west to do the Big-5 in Utah and want to bring my full size spare with me. I’ve also been looking at awnings. I’ve been eyeing the 23zero 180, but may wait for your review on the model you are using.
I’m pretty sure the whole system (infotainment, cameras, etc) are made by Panasonic. It’s the same system that’s in the Odyssey and they get rear seat displays for the kids.
@@seandenney5780 if you want a more cost effective option to carry a spare tire you could always buy a $99 roof cargo basket (by companies like Curt) and use ratchet straps to tie it down. It’ll be a quick and easy fix, but I don’t recommend it long term because eventually the added wind drag will cost ya money 💵😖
@@seandenney5780 we need to talk about Panasonic! A friend of mine use to rewire “drones” and he thinks he may be able to rewire and extend the OEM camera. I’ll definitely make an attempt to do so.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring I really want to get the full size spare out of my living room (I live in an apartment, so not much storage room). As for carrying it on the roof, I would dread ever having to hoist it up there or down from there. I think the hitch-mounted carriers are the best long-term solution.
Sorry if this was covered was there notable MPG loss after the extra weight?
I'm planning on buying one of these very soon now that I'm upsizing my tires and the full sized spare won't fit in the compartment anymore. Was thinking about carrying it in a rooftop basket, but at that point, I don't think I could use my garage, so I'd rather just spend the money sooner rather than later.
You’ve been a supporter of this channel for a while now, and I appreciate all your comments. Just some things to consider that I didn’t mention in this video. The added weight in the rear will lead to more butt sag. On a Subaru, a tire carrier will make the rear sag a good 1/4” to 1/2”. You can counter it with overload springs. Departure angle will be a big one, so get something angled. If you decide to purchase a Dirtcom unit, you can save 5% with my discount code “JONDZ5”, which will save you a good 100 bucks.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring Yes Sir, and you're arguably one of the most informative channels on offroading in a unibody vehicle on here, I've learned so much from just watching your videos.
And yea, I had plenty of rear end sag with the Ironman kit I had on my old forester with just camping gear, so I've picked up the Spec C version of the kit in anticipation of getting a tire carrier, and in the hopes that it'll solve my sagging issues.
As for the one I'm planning to get, I'm going for the Dirtcom due to the issues you highlighted in the video for the other 2, not to mention, looks like RIGd increased their price again to $1600 as of 4/17/22.
Actually came back to this video to see if you had a discount code listed so thank you for that! I'm hoping to order mine within the next few weeks.
Dirt com doesn’t want me listing their discount on social media where someone can just copy and paste. So I give out the discount code when I chat with someone or I place the discount code in the middle of a video
@@JonDZ_Adventuring thank you again for the coupon code! Just placed my order for the Dirtcom!
@@JDS-Dalton your very welcome!
I wish they offered a version with the tire mounted to the right side. My camera and reverse lights are centered.
That’s a good point, and now I understand why someone would want an offset tire carrier!
Man!!! Finally found someone who put his spare on a cargo box. Everyone says "oh no, you can't do that"! To me, if you don't mind loosing the space, it shouldn't be an issue! I just want to put a 28 inch tire on a Thule Force which carries up to 165 pounds. It's just a spare for a Crosstrek, I should be able to do it, right? Any recommendations?
Yep! It‘s crazy how much wind drag there is on a cargo basket with a tire! A box is the way to go! Plus you’ll get extra “lockable” storage. A Thule force is a good choice! I had to specifically get the Thule motion XT Alpine because my tire is 32.1” and even the XL Thule force wouldn’t fit it. I like how Thule lists interior dimensions. Just get one that fits your tire, and think about if you want to go with a little larger tire in the future. 28.5” is a common size for Crosstrek.
Can i mount a high lift jack on it?
Looks cool, do you miss your backup camera or will you replace/relocate it?
I don’t own the tire carrier yet. But when I tested it for a weekend, the tire carrier definitely blocks much of the view. I can see the corners and directly below, but not in a straight line behind. I actually relied on my back up camera to get through some really sketchy offroad situations, so I’m really hoping I can relocate it.
The Honda back up cams are high definition and really awesome, if I had a Toyota back up cam, I really wouldn’t care, I’d just replace it with a cheap $40 back up cam that would be an upgrade 🤣. But.... about a year ago, I was already thinking of a tire carrier ( I was planning to go RIGd) so I took my hatch apart to take a look at the Harness. I remember seeing 6 to 8 wires!!!!! Some of the wires are thicker than others.... I even contacted Honda if they had a wire harness extension and they responded back saying the harness is proprietary. I may just have to go with an aftermarket solution.
For daily driving use, I didn’t haven’t had issues. I forgot how much visibility I have Looking behind my shoulder.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring yeah the nicer quality cameras send a digital signal vs the crappy-er cameras (I'm guessing the Toyota falls in this catagory) use an analog signal. Analog cameras have one cable that sometimes terminates into a yellow barral connector like RCA VCR cables.
You should be able to strip and extend the harness but you'll need to extend all the cables and match gauges. The thicker ones are probably power and the thinner ones are data.
7:39 Jonny Rahl or David Attenborough ?! =)
Not sure, but both Legends!
How does the dirtcom trail swing do at freeway speed? Any oscillation? I’m getting bad oscillation with my rigd and thinking about switching to dirtcom
I have a 32” tire connected to my dirt comp trail swing that weights 72 lbs. I think the heavier the tire, the more oscillation you may have. There are actually a lot of factors that will go into why a tire carrier will oscillate: short wheel base, stiff suspension, etc. I think what you’re experiencing with your RIGd tire carrier is wear and tear. When you first got it, it didn’t rattle and oscillate right? The materials they use is mild steel, the DirtCom unit is make of Chromoly tubing which has a higher modulus for elasticity, which spreads the load of force better. Wear and tear is eventually inevitable and currently I think the trailswing is the only mass produced tire carrier with replaceable parts. Anyways, in no expert, so you could always hit up AJ or Harrison at DirtComp. If you do decide to go the DirtCom route, I have a discount you can use “JONDZ5”.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring thanks for the code! I’ll hit up AJ asap! Unfortunately my Rigd is brand new, I only have a 33” spare and I have medium weight coils in the rear, my V8 4runner only works with the universal fitment version which sticks out substantially farther out from the hitch than it should and I believe that’s truly where my issue originates from, Rigd says they’ll work with me and attempt to find a solution by me buying more accessories at a discount or trading it in for the 5th gen 4runner version (then I’d have to replace my V8 towing hitch with a downgraded V6 hitch) but I’m thinking of just selling it and going with Trailswing, it sucks because my initial instinct to go with Dirtcom 🤦🏻
RIGD is definitely the one to get. I'm looking at this but I have to wait a bit longer.
If you have a vehicle with enough ground clearance the RIGd tire carrier can work for you. I definitely would not recommend it for a crossover or any other vehicle that needs departure angle. They should make a a high clearance version like Wilco. If you can afford it, the Dirtcomp is the most premium choice.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring I have 4runner TRDOR 2020 that I like to built it to my liking slowly.
@@lignas ah, good vehicle. The departure angle of a truck can be a bit tricky. We did Fins N Things in Moab. I was the only one with a tire carrier and our hitch receivers all stand pretty high. Check out this video clip to see how much of an issue something sticking out the rear hitch could be.
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What type of awning is that?
the voice overs reminded me of Saturday morning Kung Fu theater when I was a kid.
Do they make this for a 2003 Ford Expedition
All 3 of these companies make a HD (heavy duty) version. Because I I’m now sponsored by DirtCom, I know the HD version should work on the bigger Fords. Just make sure the hitch receiver goes “through” and you’re good.
Does the Dirt Complex tire carrier have a table attachment?
Something like a front runner or smitty bilt table will bolt on.
I couldn't find anything that worked with my OEM 06 Foz so bought a welder instead. It's good to see that there are more options now.
Yeah, this tire carrier is one of the more compact units. This would be the best option for small crossovers. Only 65 lbs too!
I did a dual swingout hitch mount. departure angle and rear visibility being crucial followed by opening the rear hatch. Nailed it on the first try but head still hurts from all the math.
@@slol144 nice! I can only imagine 🤣
How much is the whole set up with Johnny Rhal's swing hitch tire carrier,
Wilco with hitch receiver built into the swing out
$905
RIGd Ultra swing multifit
$1300
Dirt Comp Trail Swing
$1100 presale
$1250 normal price
The bolt on hitch receiver for the swingout is added cost, I think about $65?
The price with the additional accessory bracket and shipping was $1282.57
@@seandenney5780 thank you!
Were you carrying a rotopax with gas in the thule bin also? Any issues with doing that?
Yes I was. No issues. You can mount a rotopax to anything that’s stable.
@@JonDZ_AdventuringThanks, So you mounted a rotopax bracket to the inside bottom of the thule to hold it?
Man's got roasted lol " it matches the chrome on your tires" 💀
There’s also the Ridgerunner by Detours of Maine. That’s the one I have. Angles upward for better departure angle, one-handed latch operation, and redundant hitch receiver. See it on IG @the_venturoo *peace*
Nice! Sounds like a good unit! I was going to buy the RIGd tire carrier, but then the Pandemic happened. I couldn’t bring myself to spend the $1000 at the time. Now the tire carrier is $1300! And I was still willing to buy, but then I saw some of the drawbacks with the hitch receiver not being angled up. RIGd does have an awesome feature though! Being able to connect a bike carrier or cargo basket into the actual swing out! That’s sooooooo game changing! If I’m going to spend $800+ on something, I’d want it to do double duty, and I was willing to spend $1300 for it. Dirt comp has a bolt on option! And Wilco now has an option too!
What about vehicles with parking sensors on the rear bumper? I think these tire carriers will cause the sensors to constantly be beeping. So it's a no go for me 😢
Good question. No, they won’t constantly beep. My Passport EX-L has cross traffic alerts, and it works even though my view is 90% covered up.
What have you done about the rear camera?
I have a ridgeline and am looking to purchase one of these but can’t solve the camera issue.
i have a wilco and i turned my parking sensors off because it was beeping lol
How's it holding up
My Dirtcom trailswing has been holding up good. They are on the final revision that adds a solid square hitch receiver among other improvements.
Video looked promising unfortunately had to bail when one dude started comparing Khumo’s to BFG KO2’s 😂🙈
“Poserlanding” 😂😂
We need more #poserlanding on Instagram 🤣
@@JonDZ_Adventuring I’d help ya with that if I had an IG account 🙃
JohnnyRaul what you think of the yakima exo swing
It’ll carry gear on road, but it shakes around too much to be viable off-road and it’s very expensive for what it is (cheap Amazon quality product).
If Thule makes something comparable that would be a better option. I had Yakima snowboard pods fail on me, and our $1000 snowboards got littered across the 405 freeway.
These things won’t be rated for off-road though. The tire carriers in this video will.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring thank you johnny see u in the bush
Ronny Dahl fan boys.
Ahhh American Overlanding, the new cure for those of us with Stuffitis :D
What about theft? I would love to have something like this but I would be pissed if it’s easily steal able
You can secure anything with a lockable hitch pin. They vary from simple designs to more robust designs. Of course someone can always take a cordless angle grinder to the pin, but even if someone is brazen enough to take the time to loudly grind the pin out, my whole setup is 165 lbs! and the average thief will be too lazy to handle that much weight.
Someone should make a wall mounted hitch receiver so people can store these in their garage
Not a bad idea! Or maybe a dolley, so we don’t have to lug around 150 lbs. just insert male hitch into female “hitch dolley”
@@JonDZ_Adventuring Yup! Can easily modify a Costco $100 hand truck/dolly to ''dock''
The dirtcom is really nice but is it $1000 nicer than the rigd?
It used to be $200 cheaper than RIGd. Not sure what happened with the price on the website. Not sure if it’s a typo or because steel prices have increased 80%.
RIGd now would be a no go for me, because how if affects departure angle. Even it was free, I couldn’t run it.
No...
Check out my tire carrier home made video on the channel
Honestly, I agree with the comment about the KO2's. They're not that great on Subarus at all from what I've seen.
Installing this makes the backup camera obsolete doesn’t it? Like Ik it’s for off roading but surely you’re not off roading 24/7
One can buy a Kuat swing away with tire mount addition for a quarter the price.
The Kuat Pivot v2 is $398 and does not have a tire adapter. It's an accessory for the NV 2.0 or any of the other Kuat Bike racks. There's a reason why they don't make a tire carrier adapter, and their setup, even with 25 lbs. mountain bikes, will fall apart on an actual trail or washboard dirt road. Kuat is made for onroad use.
Hey Johnny Rahl, this preview of the Trail Swing is as good as a kangaroo in its Mama's pouch. You sure Mario's wife isn't going to see the pricing of his new tire carrier?! If you end up picking up a unit, let's ask AJ to spray paint it chrome!
Johnny Rahl !!! Lol
🤣😂🤣😂 I’m a big Ronny Dahl fan, and if so fun to get a little silly and become .... “Jonny Rahl”!!!
Dirt com probably isnt the best if you live in an area it snows alot. I was at a meet up recently and a guy had one that was a year old all rusted. The guy who had a wilco had no problems and had it for a few years no rust.
0:48 looks like a good spot for a group trip!
Yes, that was part of a scouting trip back on the first weekend of January 2021. This place would make an excellent venue!
@@JonDZ_Adventuring plan something out and let me know!
@@edgarandreasyan521 going to Gorman Hungry valley SVRA on March 7-8? That’s Sun/Mon so I’m confirming with someone if those are the correct dates. Maybe he made a mistake
So I can spend $1100 and get a full metal bumper with tire carrier or just a tire carrier. Rip-off in my opinion
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Oh... you know what I like 😻😻😻
$2222.00 for the Dirt Complex Trail Swing puts it out of contention...for the $$$ the RIGd is the best value...
The Dirt complex trail swing was going for $1100 at the time I did this comparison. The $2222 price is temporary as they transition to a retail business model, which will be sold by retailers for about $1750. The issue with the RIGd tire carrier is the departure angle, which makes an otherwise good tire carrier a “No go” for a lot of people.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring, The "departure angle" isn't enough to justify the cost difference...for the additional $500, you could either fab up a skid plate, or take it to a fab shop and have it modified to your spec, and come away with a carrier that is superior to both...there's always give and take, and considering that the RIGd is a better unit to begin with, I'd take the slight hit on the "departure angle", the other alternative is to install a lift...
I’ve seen both tire carriers. I’ve seen the insides, I’ve seen what they’re made of. The RIGd tire carrier is made of “mild steel” and is the same thickness as the “Chromoly” tubing in the Dirtcomp unit. By the way, chromoly is what race car roll cages are made of, it’s expensive stuff. 1/2” bolt vs. 1” bolt. Fully enclosed license plate holder made of 3/16” steel vs. none. Auto stop mechanism vs. none. Serviceable ball bearing vs. one that can’t be changed out. RIGd is even missing a “collar” on the hitch receiver! So, besides the latch and handle, Where is RIGd better? Why aren’t you mentioning Wilco? Do you work for RIGd? You’ve already left 4 random comments on this video 🤣. The Wilco Hitch Gate solo with the hitch swing option is $997. Their price went up from $905 when I made this video. RIGd use to be $1060 but now they’re $1300. That was the pricing before steel price increases. Don’t be surprised if RIGd’s prices go up as well. The fact of the matter is all these tire carriers 1.) cost a lot of money 2.) take up space in the rear and make everyday life inconvenient by adding more steps to opening a rear hatch or tailgate. Regarding ease of use, and quality of materials, you now get what you pay for. Those that took advantage of the $1100 presale on the Dirt Comp trail swing, congratulations!
By the way, If you want a cost effective way of carrying a spare tire, you can do what I did for 2 years and keep it up top in a cargo carrier ($300-700) or roof basket ($150).
@@JonDZ_Adventuring, None, I repeat NONE of my comments were "random", they were all on the subject matter at hand...perhaps you're a shill for dirt complex, ???
@@wipatriot510 you were taking about value but didn’t mention Wilco. So explain that.
You didn't consider the elephant in the room - in that they all swing towards the passenger's side and not the driver's side...
Deal breaker for me!
Just a question: why would you not want a carrier that opened to the curb side of the car vs the road side?
@@alanmohn4146 Most every one camps on the passenger side in North America. If the swing out was to the driver's side you would not have to walk around the swing out to get from the back of a rig to the camp area.
Hey we actually have 11 driver side swing out versions that we originally developed for owners of Lexus GX470 and GX460. They have a rear hatch that swings to the passenger side. So YES... we do have a driver side version coming out because we know everyone has different preferences.
@@DirtComplex good to know - Fire me a link.
@@DirtComplex Fire me a LINK
I literally had to mute the video when Johnny Rahl started talking, Jesus christ. so annoying. Other than that goofball, great video thank you lol
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Johnny Rahl, nah…
Never been a fan of the BFG KO2, or even the original BFG AT KO. When they were the ONLY all terrain on the market, you didn't have an option. But now there's just so many better all terrain tire options at a much lower cost.
Lol AJ is cringing
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Most expensive tire hitch it's a ridiculous price for just metal and welding
Then make one yourself lol
I sat through that long ass intro just to get unbearable wind noise lol
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Bunch of grocery getters
Rigd all the way. And also learn to get real off-roaders not some stupid Mitsubishi
give up on comedy pls