doing a lab for my installations class EXACTLY like this one, part 1 is from a wall-mounted thermostat and part 2 is from a built-in thermostat. best video out there.
Additionally, I have a ton of 10~3 wire. I’ve got a large baseboard heat job to do. I will run 220 to each. What do you suggest doing with the neutral wire?
Thanks for this excellent video. I couldn't find one this good on the Ouellet site. You put a smile on my face when I saw you were connecting the same name brand of heater I was working with. Thanks again.
You should never, ever cut off the ground wires. It pretty much makes future changes next to impossible. And as previously noted, code (in the U.S. anyway) requires a minimum length in the box.
My heater did not have a red and a black wire, just two black ones. Does it matter which wire I hook up the red and which wire I hook up to the black to in the heater? I.e. in your video if you hooked your red wire to the black heater wire and your black wire to your red heater wire, would it change the operation, safety or function of the heater?
I'm confused though when you split a cable like that what if you nice one of the conductor's what is your next move electrical tape it? But you can't have that on a new install
Thanks. have a Stelpro bb heater 1000/750 watt. and no heat in apt bedroom. Power tested on both ends of bb ok. Should I eliminate Thermostat first. ( removing thermostat and touching wires together). BB worked before. Probably 5 yrs old
Great video. But all videos I see it's only 1 breaker, 1 thermostat and 1 baseboard. If you need to have 2 rooms on the same breaker, how would you run your wires so it would be 1 breaker, 2 thermostats and 2 baseboards?
HOME very old house and the current comes from the cellar just a wire and makes the 2 nd floor with the same wire for 3 bedrooms and a bathroom but in each box there are 3 wires instead of 2 as in your vidéo so how to connect them. merci
I can't wrap my head around why you don't use a neutral in this case also in installing water heaters but you need a neutral in other 240 appliances such as ranges ? What is the horizontal copper and steel bars for under the panel for at the start of the video ? Where is this project located ? I've never seen orange 12-2 wire.
No neutral here because you need booth wire to meet at the end create the resistance to produce heat at the baseboard.at 11:30 he said one of the wire acts a neutral to return the power back to panel.but in reality there should not be any power returning to the panel as both wires be positive carries the 120v.im not electrician this is only what I understand from watching and knowing as DIYer
Hooking up additional baseboards is possible, but it requires further calculations. Each wire size can only handle a maximum amount of current. so depending on how many baseboards heaters you wanted to hook up will determine the wire size needed, the breaker size required and the amount of thermostats you may require. The video was design for a simple one baseboard heater hook up. Consulting a certified electrician is recommend if you wish to expand your installation.
Great Video, nicely explained, pretty useful. I'm still having a hard time with "Breaker" and "Wire size" calculations for "Heating Circuits". Sam, could you please provide me with some help or internet links on the subject ?
Hi. Sam.. You did use red color wire for installing baseboard heater.. Can I use yellow color wire for installing baseboard heater?.. I live in Canada.. Canada have any code which I have to (must) use red color wire for installing baseboard heater?
The colour of the outside jacket of the wire does not matter. The size of the wire based on the load and breaker is what counts. The red wire I used is designed for baseboards, because the two internal wire are red and black. This tells anyone servicing this circuit that both wire are hot.
Seems like having the thermostat right over the heater would cause problems. I realize this is demonstration, but you should probably mention that. In fact I think it's prevented by code.
As you mentioned this is a demonstration video. Your thermostat would be mounted on the inter wall of the room to give a more accurate reading of the room temperature.
Doesn’t the following sentence in this video feel off: « We can hook up many more baseboard heaters on this 15A breaker but if it was 20 you need additional ones.. » additional what? You can daisy chain 300w heaters on a 12/2 wire 240V set up but if you only up the amperage to 20A you need additional… what? Separate breakers? Additional luck?
I live in an older home and my lead is going to the heater first, how should I hook up the heater and wall thermostat. there is only one wire going from the heater to the thermostat.
These baseboards are rated for 240 volts and therefore you use both hot wires of your panel to apply 240 volts to your baseboard heater. this is why you need a two pole breaker just like your dryer and stove. You could hook up only 120 volts to the baseboard heater if you wanted, but it would not given you maximum output and not be as efficient as running them on 240 volts.
@@royalsam69 great explanation sam. I always like how you mention the codes, and some of the electrical theory behind it so that us students can understand them as we are building our electrical stuff.
The neutral wire originates as a center tap on the secondary of your step-down transformer. It divides the output voltage in half between the neutral tap and either hot leg. Thus the neutral is basically only required for 120v loads, so a simple 240v resistance heater has no need for the neutral. Some 240 volt appliances, etc., include 120v sub-circuits, and thus require a neutral wire. A ground wire is still required in either case, bonded to the metal frame or casing of the appliance.
Who would want a thermostat in the baseboard heater?? Wall mounts are much better ,no bending..Nice job ,I would have longer ground wires in the unit and the thermostat box ?? I no it's a demo,250-300 watts you be lucky if you can heat your slippers lol...
The size of the wire and the breaker is determined by the wattage of the baseboard heater and the voltage rating of the unit. Ampere= power(wattage) divided by voltage. Once you determine the amperage rating the electrical code will determine the size of the and type of cable you can use. The cable you use will also determine the size of your overcurrent size(breaker). USA and Canada code may vary. Consult your local code or a certified electrician.
Master electrician here. This is the best baseboard heater install video i have seen on UA-cam so far👍
doing a lab for my installations class EXACTLY like this one, part 1 is from a wall-mounted thermostat and part 2 is from a built-in thermostat. best video out there.
Thank you, excellent video
Very informative and most important very easy to follow as you were explaining
Sir completely end up here randomly ..it is nice to see my electrical theory teacher here .. great as always
Great job on the video. It's by far the best one on UA-cam!
Thanks!
By far the best... super helpful increasing my confidence in confirming what I thought I knew was correct.
I wasn't hooking up a heater and still liked the video...Good job in explaining.
Additionally, I have a ton of 10~3 wire. I’ve got a large baseboard heat job to do. I will run 220 to each. What do you suggest doing with the neutral wire?
Sam, you rock man. Thank you for sharing,. You made my day.
Best tutorial video for baseboard wiring！
Great video. Get yourself a chest strap camera mount and you can use both hands
Thanks for this excellent video. I couldn't find one this good on the Ouellet site. You put a smile on my face when I saw you were connecting the same name brand of heater I was working with. Thanks again.
Excellent lesson
Explained very well! Thanks Sam.
Excellent video. Thank you
Thanks Sam, all the info a DIY'er like myself needed A+
You are the best good job
GREAT WORKS,
Great video I guess but you neglected to show how to install more than one in the same room on the single thermostat
Great video! I was wishing and hoping you would show how to attach it with the wires on the left side!
very informative and well explained with detail videography.
Thanks for the great video. Wish I knew how to calculate wire guage and breaker loads for my house.
Well done.....
Nice work sam
You should never, ever cut off the ground wires. It pretty much makes future changes next to impossible. And as previously noted, code (in the U.S. anyway) requires a minimum length in the box.
Richard Fallstich can a baseboard heater be attached to steel, such as inside a steel building?
Completely right Richard, I was just think about the same thing ;-)
minimum in Canada is 6" left in box 150 mm
Merci! Ça m'aide beaucoup :)
Great tutorial. I disconnected 2 twisted live feed wires, capped them both and the heater is no longer in permanent ON position. 😅
Excellent.
Thanks for this video!!!! I hope comments give you money 💰
My heater did not have a red and a black wire, just two black ones. Does it matter which wire I hook up the red and which wire I hook up to the black to in the heater? I.e. in your video if you hooked your red wire to the black heater wire and your black wire to your red heater wire, would it change the operation, safety or function of the heater?
good video , if the copper line disconnected from the left corner ,. do i have to change my baseboard heater or i can solder it . thanks
I'm confused though when you split a cable like that what if you nice one of the conductor's what is your next move electrical tape it? But you can't have that on a new install
I'm no electrician but I feel in the "real world" like you say, the thermostat shouldn't be on top of the heater
You are correct. The video is a demonstration. The thermostat should be mounted way from windows and opposite side of room where heater is mounted
Thanks. have a Stelpro bb heater 1000/750 watt. and no heat in apt bedroom. Power tested on both ends of bb ok. Should I eliminate Thermostat first. ( removing thermostat and touching wires together). BB worked before. Probably 5 yrs old
Hi great video, I have two sets of live wires so total of 2 red 2 black and 2 grounds how do I plug my baseboard to that
I have 2 wall heaters I am connecting to a cadet TH115 thermostat, which wires am I to connect together?
Good
Nice video, very good explainning/
Where did you get the red Romex cable with the red and black wires only? Usually when you buy 2-wire Romex it comes with one white and one black wire.
Thanks for the video, can you do one with an integrated built-in thermostat TB6 ??? Thanks again.
Thanks for your sharing, so good!
Great video. But all videos I see it's only 1 breaker, 1 thermostat and 1 baseboard. If you need to have 2 rooms on the same breaker, how would you run your wires so it would be 1 breaker, 2 thermostats and 2 baseboards?
Looks like I'll need one thermostat per heater. That's not right?
is it possible to hook up a second base board heater to the same circuit.?
So I can connect two 240 volt units in parallel to the same breaker as long as breaker's limit is greater than both amounts drawn by both units?
Thats correct no more thab 80%capacity breaker amperage
HOME very old house and the current comes from the cellar just a wire and makes the 2 nd floor with the same wire for 3 bedrooms and a bathroom but in each box there are 3 wires instead of 2 as in your vidéo so how to connect them. merci
God bless you
Excelente
I can't wrap my head around why you don't use a neutral in this case also in installing water heaters but you need a neutral in other 240 appliances such as ranges ? What is the horizontal copper and steel bars for under the panel for at the start of the video ? Where is this project located ? I've never seen orange 12-2 wire.
No neutral here because you need booth wire to meet at the end create the resistance to produce heat at the baseboard.at 11:30 he said one of the wire acts a neutral to return the power back to panel.but in reality there should not be any power returning to the panel as both wires be positive carries the 120v.im not electrician this is only what I understand from watching and knowing as DIYer
Excellent,
But how about if I need to continue in a series of heaters like 10 or 5?
Hooking up additional baseboards is possible, but it requires further calculations.
Each wire size can only handle a maximum amount of current. so depending on how many baseboards heaters you wanted to hook up will determine the wire size needed, the breaker size required and the amount of thermostats you may require. The video was design for a simple one baseboard heater hook up. Consulting a certified electrician is recommend if you wish to expand your installation.
So basically 120v goes directly to heater and other 120v is wire inline with thermostat which goes to heater also. Thermostat only taking in 120v
Great Video, nicely explained, pretty useful. I'm still having a hard time with "Breaker" and "Wire size" calculations for "Heating Circuits". Sam, could you please provide me with some help or internet links on the subject ?
could you have run the power to the other end of the base heater
Hi. Sam.. You did use red color wire for installing baseboard heater.. Can I use yellow color wire for installing baseboard heater?.. I live in Canada.. Canada have any code which I have to (must) use red color wire for installing baseboard heater?
The colour of the outside jacket of the wire does not matter. The size of the wire based on the load and breaker is what counts.
The red wire I used is designed for baseboards, because the two internal wire are red and black. This tells anyone servicing this circuit that both wire are hot.
@@royalsam69 Oh, I see.. Thank you for your answer and your video
Seems like having the thermostat right over the heater would cause problems. I realize this is demonstration, but you should probably mention that. In fact I think it's prevented by code.
As you mentioned this is a demonstration video. Your thermostat would be mounted on the inter wall of the room to give a more accurate reading of the room temperature.
Doesn’t the following sentence in this video feel off: « We can hook up many more baseboard heaters on this 15A breaker but if it was 20 you need additional ones.. » additional what? You can daisy chain 300w heaters on a 12/2 wire 240V set up but if you only up the amperage to 20A you need additional… what? Separate breakers? Additional luck?
I live in an older home and my lead is going to the heater first, how should I hook up the heater and wall thermostat. there is only one wire going from the heater to the thermostat.
Why is a neutral not required?
These baseboards are rated for 240 volts and therefore you use both hot wires of your panel to apply 240 volts to your baseboard heater. this is why you need a two pole breaker just like your dryer and stove. You could hook up only 120 volts to the baseboard heater if you wanted, but it would not given you maximum output and not be as efficient as running them on 240 volts.
Sam Maltese Ok, Thank you
@@royalsam69 great explanation sam. I always like how you mention the codes, and some of the electrical theory behind it so that us students can understand them as we are building our electrical stuff.
The neutral wire originates as a center tap on the secondary of your step-down transformer. It divides the output voltage in half between the neutral tap and either hot leg. Thus the neutral is basically only required for 120v loads, so a simple 240v resistance heater has no need for the neutral. Some 240 volt appliances, etc., include 120v sub-circuits, and thus require a neutral wire. A ground wire is still required in either case, bonded to the metal frame or casing of the appliance.
hello, i did the same thing as u do. but why the heater wont able to shut off.
is the thermostat in series with one of the hot wires?
Need a switch
Who would want a thermostat in the baseboard heater?? Wall mounts are much better ,no bending..Nice job ,I would have longer ground wires in the unit and the thermostat box ?? I no it's a demo,250-300 watts you be lucky if you can heat your slippers lol...
You really should have used a 2 pole thermostat there y having a disconnect.
Thank you for your comment John, but electrical code is all about minimal requirements. The single pole works.
As per code no Thermostat should be install over a baseboard Heater, it will never work due to the heat coming from the Baseboard Heater
I have 2 4ft. baseboard heaters. What size wire and breaker would you advise?
The size of the wire and the breaker is determined by the wattage of the baseboard heater and the voltage rating of the unit. Ampere= power(wattage) divided by voltage. Once you determine the amperage rating the electrical code will determine the size of the and type of cable you can use. The cable you use will also determine the size of your overcurrent size(breaker). USA and Canada code may vary. Consult your local code or a certified electrician.
I always solder stranded wires connected to a solid wire. Marettes won't hold properly.
that looks like10 not 12 wire
If thats a 220 heater you #10 wire not 12
Wire is based on how much wattage of baseboard heater(s) you are hooking up. A #12 can handle up to 3500 watts.