@Alpaca Fluffy windows 10 let's you acces windows XP stuff (every windows version is built ontop of each other) so there is a chance you can break 10 or 11 so hard that it just falls back to XP
As someone who likes captions on videos, I really appreciate that you made proper captions for the video, really makes it easier to watch. Especially in loud environments or on places I'd rather not have my phone making noise. Thank you ThioJoe!
/HKEY-CurentUser/software/Microsoft/Windows/CurentVersion/explorer/Advaced/ create a New DWORD Valiue and Named Start_ShowClassicMode then set the valiue to 1 then Restart Explorer (Windows 11 Only)
Fun fact, when I first got my laptop from hp retailer it said that it came pre installed with windows 11, but it was exactly like how you showed windows 10 with the windows 10 start and explorer. After I updated it went back to normal but it was a wild out of the box experience for me, because the setup process was exactly like windows 11 but with broken stuff lying around.
@@martinxx2621 Windows 10 is just Windows 7. Windows 7 is XP. Your point? Microsoft did not build a version of operating system from scratch since 1992.
@@martinxx2621 no there are major changes in the back end and in a lot of features. my virtual desktops and programs a preserved when I restart the computer for example. The ability to run, Linux GUI apps, android apps. they’re a big improvements on how DirectX works. There’s a massive upgrade on hand writing and dictation which is useful for touch computers or when you need to dictate text. A lot of legacy 90s UI have been upgrade to windows 11 UI. Aero glass-like transparency in the title bar has been added back. There are a bunch more features that I often use and realized doesn’t exist in windows 10 when I go back to it
Control panel will be gone in the future. I have a cousin working in Micorosoft s***t department. He said to me before about "modern task manager". "Disk clean up" will be replace by "storage sense" , " tab in file explorer", "dark mode button", "screen recording" and Windows 12 is on works.
Also 2, Windows 11 is not just built on 10, it is Windows 10 with a new GUI. Or technically they all are Windows NT 4.0 from 1996. They expanded on features and made new GUIs but in the kernel, you'll find DOS era code and what was built upon. They started from scratch for NT but still used their old code to look up stuff, repeating some past mistakes. Most of the code is not capable of using modern CPU and language features. Also a lot of applications are the exact same as in previous versions, compiled again. So you basically just deleted one layer of skins on the explorer. That's also the reason you can open the settings you know from Windows XP.
Windows is a basic operating system, with a billion layers haphazardly stacked on top of each other. Hence the bloat. The worst part is that they've gone so far that they can't really do anything about the bloat unless they rebuild everything from the ground up.
Windows is a basic operating system, with a billion layers haphazardly stacked on top of each other. Hence the bloat. The worst part is that they've gone so far that they can't really do anything about the bloat unless they rebuild the whole thing from the ground up.
In a way, it's kind of cool that Windows tries to protect itself so the user doesn't just bork their system. On Linux, a user with sudo permissions is really dangerous because they can just rm -rf / and bork the system with ease. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate that on Linux you're free to do with your system as you please, but I feel like some more protection against malicious users and programs *by default* would be nice.
It's especially good to be able to prevent kids who don't know what they're doing (and other categories of users who don't know what they're doing, like old people) from wrecking everything in one click. When I was a kid I totally would have tried this just to see what happened if the system allowed me. Of course, now as an adult I know of even better ways to screw up the system.
If I remember correctly, the "TrustedInstaller" thing is so app installers won't try to change other apps and make those other apps misbehave. It's a way to avoid DLL hell.
@@michaelchen2821 It's even easier to just disable sudo, or only grant very trusted users access. But I'm referring to default behavior on a fresh install, as well as the possibility that you have an inexperienced user who doesn't know what they're doing. If Linux ever gets as popular as Windows, we'll see a lot of prank instructions that include `sudo rm -rf /`.
I thought this was going to be cheesy "look how messed up it is" type of comedy video when I saw the title, but it turned out to be really interesting and way more in-depth than I expected. I liked the step by step explanation of the problem solving to try to correct the errors seen. Nice video!
idk why i thought windows 11 was entirely separate from windows 10, i was genuinely surprised when it actually reverted back to the windows 10 taskbar and explorer, it's interesting to me how all windows versions are just build upon older versions and not entirely new
Try deleting all environment variables. I did that recently without thinking about it too much, made the computer unusable and took me a while to fix haha
haha I made a folder hidden and it caused the path to crash then I accidentally made my common directory hidden thinking it would show hidden files when it really just hid literally all of my files. I thought it wiped everything
Windows is more robust than I would have thought. And I also learned about some tools that I really should have known about previously. Have a well-earned like
This is a good example of how windows 11 has UWP apps heavily integrated in the system. Even the right click menu is actually an app, so thats why you couldnt even right click. The real apps (like win10 explorer, taskmngr, notepad, etc) are either in System32 or elsewhere in the Windosws folder (as it should be, as they are actually part of the OS) and they seem to be set as some kind of fallback if the UWP ones fail, so thats why it started reverting.
I think you could do a video combining everything you have done so far, and delete as many files from windows as possible without it completely crashing. Would be fun to see what would happen then
True story - in the mid 90s when I would walk through Sears and they would have their display computer for sale out. Sometimes I would walk by and quickly go to either the C drive or the program files drive and hit the delete button and the computer would completely delete those directories. I would do this all in about a span of about 20 seconds and walk away. When I would walk by the computer an hour later the computer would either have a blue screen or be at the DOS prompt. I had a nefarious side back then.
Maybe you could try exporting the whole registry to a .reg file, use some find and replace tool with regex to replace all string values to empty, all dword/qword values to 0 etc... and see what happens, tho it sounds a little too extreme so you could try to do just the user ones first and then move on to the other parts of registry but it sounds like a fun way to nuke Windows.
In the windows 7 days there was this trick on the login screen where you could replace the accessibility menu with a cmd prompt running as SYSTEM and bypass the password entirely. I want to know if this still works in windows 10 you can find videos on how its done.
In windows 11, the secure whatever thingy that’s require is what prevents the access and deletion of these In such a way (I think). It literally forces the CPU to keep you out of them.
You can just use 7zip to access most of the protected system folders. Ofc as running as admin. And IObit Unlocker to delete files/folders that has running process.
kinda curious, what would the auto repair/advanced boot up options say about all this? would it find and fix some stuff? would it turn windows 11 to windows 10 even more? would it crash? is safe mode still an option? I feel like there is more to it
i messed with just windowsapps a while ago and had the issues he had at the very beginning of the video. i couldn’t get a bunch of apps open, and no fixes were helping, so i decided to factory reset. factory reset still didn’t fix it, i had to do a clean install from a usb to finally fix it all. so it is unlikely that anything that is done within the operating system would actually help. this was all on windows 10, but i don’t think anything really would have changed in 11.
Also, the SearchEngine indexes all files one the system which are not yet indexed, so if you delete the database (.db duh) it has more to index and creates its folders again. Killing the windows search (or uninstalling the system feature) will remove the folder forever.
Some parts of windows 11 still identifies as windows 10. For example when I try to access group policy in the home version of windows 11, it said that group policy was not supported by this version of windows 10, even though it is windows 11
@@saudistic which is so weird. Vista through 8.1 were all NT 6.x, they jumped to 10.x for Windows 10 for consistency, then just outright kept the NT version number as 10.x, just with a bigger build number, when they moved to Win11.
I sometime looked into Windows's source code ans I saw most of Windows 10/11 codes are from Windows XP UI is mostly changed otherwise people are just using Windows XP with new skin
'...in use." messages are among the most irksome things I can encounter when doing tasks (personal or professional) on a computer. It's almost exclusive to removable drives. Even when everything's closed as one does before powering down, I'll attempt to 'properly' eject external storage drives but will get errors claiming they're being used even after some time's passed since files were accessed on them. So naturally I do the "eh, f*ck it" thing we all do and yank those drives out. Hey, I was patient and gave it a warning. (Yoink!)
Mildly interesting: The old simplified aero theme from Windows Vista/7 can still be seen on Win11 in a few different spots before the modern skin gets applied.
@@notthatntg Yup, you can do something similar by launching conhost (the "old" console host application), and holding down [Alt]+[Enter]. This makes it rapidly toggle fullscreen mode, allowing you to quickly see the old simplified aero theme. Still works on Win11 22H2.
Love this series of messing with Windows in VM! You could try to boot from a Linux Live ISO in the VM and delete things from the outside if the virtual disk and Windows installation it's not encrypted. You could try a System snapshot in Windows as a final recovery to see if it can recover all the way in such destruction, or attempt recovery methods that doesn't imply full reinstall to see to what extent you can make Windows somewhat functional again without reinstalling. In the System 32 deletion one you tried some of the recovery options in Windows, you could try some of the "outside" Windows ones. Like the tools you recommend to have in pendrives in other videos, or for example, copying from the outside from a fresh install (from other VM maybe) the folders missing to see if that improves something. Very cool series!
from my knowledge the "Windowsapp" folder is the directory for .appx, and .msixbundle (Microsoft store) apps, you can even use the "wsappbak" tool to repackage apps, using windows sandbox helps, and if the app doesn't have a trial version on the store page you can crack paid apps by downloading and installing from the store.rg-adguard and repackging from the tool
You can do an in-place upgrade and that will probably fix the system without wiping data (But you probably deleted the progams anyway which cannot be restored but at least you can restore the system to stable state again)
I actually messed with the Program Data folder because of the start menu. That start menu folder some folders that correspond to folders that are visibble to everyone in the start menu So what i did was a folder called Customization for customization programs like rainmeter and wallpaper engine And Maintenece for maintenece programs All those are shortcuts that everyone will be able to see in the start menu There is also something like this for the desktop You can open C:\Users\Public\Desktop drop files in there and then there will be a icon on your desktop (and everyone elses on your pc) (the icon is like the file or shorcut you put in there) And these dont count as part of your desktop but still show up innit so you can have a lot of shortcuts on your desktop and have a clean desktop folder in the explorer (to make it easier to upload stuff from the desktop if you are not a drag and drop person)
Little fun fact, you can actually make W11’s taskbar look like W10 (not surprising though again, considering it’s built off 10) in settings to put the taskbar to the left, rather than the center. Or you can delete all those files (pls no) lol
The settings option just centers the Windows 11 taskbar on the left of the screen, but there is a registry tweak that completely reverts the taskbar back to the one from Windows 10. The start menu is broken and doesn’t open when you do that, though.
"We broke it so bad it downgraded" no, it did not downgrade since it is BUILT on top of Windows 10 but still has some visual things to hide it you just deleted these visual things and it just revealed its state
Oh yeah and A your right click freezes due to registry keys pointing to applications which do not exist anymore (for example run defender scan) since you didn't delete the keys, it loops indefinitely between follow link -> failed -> follow link ... and B, sfc is 100 percent correct. There are no corrupted files, that tool is not a backup suite (Windows restore points are). Most of what you deleted, you could have uninstalled anyways. So restoring that stuff would be pretty bad actually. But your background came back - generated by the same tool which says "configuring windows, this may take a couple of minutes" when you first log into a fresh windows. It does not remember you already went through that process because you deleted program data, but it doesn't have much to do because a lot of what is does is written to C:\Windows\...
Either he earns money (if he sold it) or he gives it away to someone or maybe it stops working and he gets it repaired or just gives it away for recycling.
he wouldn't have any problem deleting anything; the only protection rm has from deleting / is GNU's --no-preserve-root option that isn't passed by default. But you can still delete the whole thing if you want!
Did you stumble upon a way to make Windows 11 use the Windows 10 taskbar? Obviously, it would need to be done in a surgical manner, assuming you knew what folder/files needed to be removed for just that part (and that Windows will work normally).
@@saudistic doesn't work anymore it has been patched , now u really need to change and edit all the system settings and elevations to revert the taskbar to that of windows 10
It's absolutely absurd how the repairing tools/commands on Windows still can't repair the whole system. I mean, by now I think we should expect that not everything is recoverable only using the classic "System Recovery Tool" but also being able to fix anything and everything using highly advanced commands through PowerShell. I know it might sound difficult to be made or anything like that, but we should be able to recover from any errors that might happen in our computer. There are millions of variables and things that can happen, but people are mostly everyday asking for help posting all of them in support forums, so all the mistakes that had happened already shouldn't be a problem. To show a simple example of what I'm talking, there's this awkward bug that happens to me in Start Menu EVER SINCE WINDOWS 7. It highlights the icons when my mouse hovers them, but the highlight never ends and even the App name shows up. I am using Windows 10 and this is not fixed yet. What I'd expect is that if I ran the Troubleshooting it would detect that issue and fix it, by now… But it won't.
I once deleted a bunch of stuff in appdata. Needless to say it was bad lol. If you're looking for a follow up to this video thats something you could look at as well.
Notepad.exe is considered a system file, so it's there regardless. Windows 11 has the new notepad replacement, which is one of the new style apps. When he deleted the manifests, Windows didn't know what was installed or how to access it. There's actually a powershell command you can use that will force Windows to reinstall the Windows Experience, which is where your default app store style apps (Metro or whatever you wish to call them these days). Once you reinstall the Windows Experience, it would fix many of the issues he left undone.
@ThioJoe I don't understand, when deleting such critical files that Windows doesn't allow you to delete, why don't you just delete them outside Windows, like use another OS in the VM with dual boot or USB, and then boot the broken OS. This is only 100 IQ.
@@wisemysticaltree2866 no I didn’t. Windows vista is built on XP. Windows 7 is built on windows Vista. Windows 10 is built on Windows 8. so windows 10 is an updated version of windows, XP
W11 seems to "revert" to the Windows 10 look because you removed the WindowsApps folders, which contain all UWP apps in the system. W11 Explorer, Paint, Notepad, Terminal, Taskmgr etc are all UWP
1:40 - most of them ARE apps, not just preinstalled, but most installed apps from MS Store or sideloaded UWP / Windows App SDK apps or APPX/MSIX packaged apps and they do have manifests (and manifests or other assets in other, similarly named, folders) look at the size of that folder in WizTree or WinDirStat, it most likely takes around 1GB for clean install of Windows, that would be too much for just manifests
I have an idea. Install a new copy of windows 11 and copy all of the program files to a USB. then boot into a windows installer, run a notepad with cmd, goto open file to open a file explorer, and copy the program files from the USB to the windows installation. then boot it back up with the files to see if it fixed
On the windows 11 prototype, someone on 4chan found out by uninstalling edge forcibly it would revert explorer and the taskbar to the Windows 10 ones. I have the thread archived somewhere on my hard drive.
yes, windows 10 taskbar and explore is still in the operating system. Software programs like startallback uses the old windows 10 taskbar to bring the functionalities back May Allah (S.W.T.) guide you and bestow upon you His Blessings; Ameen.
icacls /reset only sets the same permissions as parent folder. The windows folders trees have much more complex permissions. You need to restore the delicate structure of permissions by using icacls /restore from backup created on working installation of the same windows build. In-place upgrade/reinstall is the best way to fix this mess. I would welcome video on how to intentionally switch to Windows 10 file explorer in Windows 11.
A more practical what if scenario, is what if you move the program files folders to a different drive and symlink to them from the original drive. There doesn't seem to be a way to change the default installation directory for everything to read and use and everything wants to put itself on your system drive when you obviously want them on your larger data drive. So you have to change the path for every program every time. Instead of defaulting to a specified location. 🙁
Changing the file extensions and/or filenames can be fun. Of course files with high privileges will not let you do it until your escalate your own privileges.
Not surprised it went back to windows 10, Microsoft is notorious for just piling on rather than remove and replace. I really think you could find 98 if you dug deep enough.
@10:50 its a simple fix, you need to disable the wsearch service that keeps trying to index things and then restart. I dont need indexing myself so i have it perma turned off (and yes you can still use the search bar!)
'We've literally broken Windows so bad that it downgraded itself to a previous version.' This is why i love this channel
@Alpaca Fluffy windows 10 let's you acces windows XP stuff (every windows version is built ontop of each other) so there is a chance you can break 10 or 11 so hard that it just falls back to XP
@@liminalityy_ But you can't access Windows XP tour unless you have it downloaded
me too. I love breaking things but my VM is not set up yet so I can not do it myself.
Windows decided to downgrade lol. Imagine if downgraded down and down all the way to like Windows 3.02
thanks for spoiling
As someone who likes captions on videos, I really appreciate that you made proper captions for the video, really makes it easier to watch. Especially in loud environments or on places I'd rather not have my phone making noise. Thank you ThioJoe!
Yep I do them for all my videos these days, but I figured I’d add a thing so people know
I agree!
@@ThioJoe You can bring back the Windows 10 Start on Windows 11 via the regestry
/HKEY-CurentUser/software/Microsoft/Windows/CurentVersion/explorer/Advaced/ create a New DWORD Valiue and Named Start_ShowClassicMode then set the valiue to 1 then Restart Explorer (Windows 11 Only)
@@Galaxy.Windows that wouldn't work, it has been patched in build 22000.65
Fun fact, when I first got my laptop from hp retailer it said that it came pre installed with windows 11, but it was exactly like how you showed windows 10 with the windows 10 start and explorer. After I updated it went back to normal but it was a wild out of the box experience for me, because the setup process was exactly like windows 11 but with broken stuff lying around.
This is why you should always clean install windows when you buy a new computer. OEMs load them with all sorts of bullshit
@@martinxx2621 pretty true that.
wtf i thought it was only me im using now the insider program but it was like win10 i was scared
You probably got a pre release version out of the box
@@devsda1 No
The part where Windows starts reverting itself up to 10 is the funniest part of it all 🤣🤣
Yeah, confirms that windows 11 is just a worse windows 10
Windows, too, needs a failsafe.
@@martinxx2621 Windows 10 is just Windows 7. Windows 7 is XP. Your point? Microsoft did not build a version of operating system from scratch since 1992.
@@NazmusLabs True, but 11 is literally just rekinned windows 10 with some new feature sprinkled in.
@@martinxx2621 no there are major changes in the back end and in a lot of features. my virtual desktops and programs a preserved when I restart the computer for example.
The ability to run, Linux GUI apps, android apps.
they’re a big improvements on how DirectX works. There’s a massive upgrade on hand writing and dictation which is useful for touch computers or when you need to dictate text. A lot of legacy 90s UI have been upgrade to windows 11 UI. Aero glass-like transparency in the title bar has been added back.
There are a bunch more features that I often use and realized doesn’t exist in windows 10 when I go back to it
I need to wake up at 5 a.m., but a ThioJoe video is more important.
It's 5pm, bro (GMT +1)
@@breadmachine_official 12:15 a.m., Manila Time
@@_SJ sounds like a thrilla in Manilla
@@_SJ Envelopes aren't a place silly.
time zones are fun
You can also get the Windows 10 Explorer in Windows 11 by opening the control panel and then navigating to a folder from there
Literally at work setting up a Win11 laptop for someone, and I had to try it. That's hilarious.
But of course, the windows 10 ribbon UI is very confusing. Glad win 11 fixed it
Control panel will be gone in the future. I have a cousin working in Micorosoft s***t department. He said to me before about "modern task manager". "Disk clean up" will be replace by "storage sense" , " tab in file explorer", "dark mode button", "screen recording" and Windows 12 is on works.
@@exposed231 rip control.exe, soon gone but never forgotten :(
@@exposed231 ive been hearing this for a decade now
TaskManager was built to run, even if the windows Shell (root process) is not running. It's a fail-safe. That's why it always starts.
task manager mvp
Also 2, Windows 11 is not just built on 10, it is Windows 10 with a new GUI. Or technically they all are Windows NT 4.0 from 1996. They expanded on features and made new GUIs but in the kernel, you'll find DOS era code and what was built upon. They started from scratch for NT but still used their old code to look up stuff, repeating some past mistakes. Most of the code is not capable of using modern CPU and language features. Also a lot of applications are the exact same as in previous versions, compiled again. So you basically just deleted one layer of skins on the explorer. That's also the reason you can open the settings you know from Windows XP.
There's windows 3.1 explorer file selection stuff you can acess in windows 10 (maybe 11 too)
You could mention the explorer as shell for less confusion
... and i thought that finally made an effort to make a decent OS (:yes sarcasm) D; Hilarious, as expected.
Windows is a basic operating system, with a billion layers haphazardly stacked on top of each other.
Hence the bloat.
The worst part is that they've gone so far that they can't really do anything about the bloat unless they rebuild everything from the ground up.
Windows is a basic operating system, with a billion layers haphazardly stacked on top of each other.
Hence the bloat.
The worst part is that they've gone so far that they can't really do anything about the bloat unless they rebuild the whole thing from the ground up.
In a way, it's kind of cool that Windows tries to protect itself so the user doesn't just bork their system. On Linux, a user with sudo permissions is really dangerous because they can just rm -rf / and bork the system with ease. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate that on Linux you're free to do with your system as you please, but I feel like some more protection against malicious users and programs *by default* would be nice.
It's especially good to be able to prevent kids who don't know what they're doing (and other categories of users who don't know what they're doing, like old people) from wrecking everything in one click. When I was a kid I totally would have tried this just to see what happened if the system allowed me.
Of course, now as an adult I know of even better ways to screw up the system.
I mean, you can program a failsafe on Linux to catch the sudo'ed command and stop it. There are instructions.
If I remember correctly, the "TrustedInstaller" thing is so app installers won't try to change other apps and make those other apps misbehave. It's a way to avoid DLL hell.
@@michaelchen2821 It's even easier to just disable sudo, or only grant very trusted users access. But I'm referring to default behavior on a fresh install, as well as the possibility that you have an inexperienced user who doesn't know what they're doing. If Linux ever gets as popular as Windows, we'll see a lot of prank instructions that include `sudo rm -rf /`.
@@michaelchen2821 nice profile picture
I thought this was going to be cheesy "look how messed up it is" type of comedy video when I saw the title, but it turned out to be really interesting and way more in-depth than I expected. I liked the step by step explanation of the problem solving to try to correct the errors seen. Nice video!
you must be new here...
Good thing you didn’t broke it further otherwise it would have reverted back to Windows XP 😂
Impossible
@@Timcup448 There still is some remnants of Windows XP in Windows 11
@@osinternals ive spotted even DOS era code (which isnt even executable on our modern modems used in our machines)
Something i would never mess with but its definitely interesting to watch windows just break like that
idk why i thought windows 11 was entirely separate from windows 10, i was genuinely surprised when it actually reverted back to the windows 10 taskbar and explorer, it's interesting to me how all windows versions are just build upon older versions and not entirely new
If every windows version was entirely new, then we would probably still be using at most windows 7 but most likely Vista of XP.
Try deleting all environment variables. I did that recently without thinking about it too much, made the computer unusable and took me a while to fix haha
Bro, why?
Probably shouldn't have deleted PATH
What did you do to make it working againn cause I have the same issue
haha I made a folder hidden and it caused the path to crash then I accidentally made my common directory hidden thinking it would show hidden files when it really just hid literally all of my files. I thought it wiped everything
Windows is more robust than I would have thought. And I also learned about some tools that I really should have known about previously. Have a well-earned like
I tried deleting apps this way but I guess due to registeries, the apps still showed up in the Programs and features panel :/
This is a good example of how windows 11 has UWP apps heavily integrated in the system. Even the right click menu is actually an app, so thats why you couldnt even right click. The real apps (like win10 explorer, taskmngr, notepad, etc) are either in System32 or elsewhere in the Windosws folder (as it should be, as they are actually part of the OS) and they seem to be set as some kind of fallback if the UWP ones fail, so thats why it started reverting.
He deleted Internet Explorer...
Windows 11: Dad! Help! This guy is beating the hell out of me!
Windows 10: I'm coming, son!
Just reminds me of how often we had to reinstall windows back in the day. You get to a point where you knew reformatting was the easy way out.
I like how Windows just started freaking out with the cursors like you know it really gave up, poor Virtual Machine
I think you could do a video combining everything you have done so far, and delete as many files from windows as possible without it completely crashing. Would be fun to see what would happen then
Thanks for the great tutorial on how to get the old windows 10 explorer back on windows 11 :)
lol
True story - in the mid 90s when I would walk through Sears and they would have their display computer for sale out. Sometimes I would walk by and quickly go to either the C drive or the program files drive and hit the delete button and the computer would completely delete those directories. I would do this all in about a span of about 20 seconds and walk away. When I would walk by the computer an hour later the computer would either have a blue screen or be at the DOS prompt. I had a nefarious side back then.
Maybe you could try exporting the whole registry to a .reg file, use some find and replace tool with regex to replace all string values to empty, all dword/qword values to 0 etc... and see what happens, tho it sounds a little too extreme so you could try to do just the user ones first and then move on to the other parts of registry but it sounds like a fun way to nuke Windows.
FlyTech did a video on this
In the windows 7 days there was this trick on the login screen where you could replace the accessibility menu with a cmd prompt running as SYSTEM and bypass the password entirely.
I want to know if this still works in windows 10 you can find videos on how its done.
It does. Microsoft haven't patched it because if someone's got physical access to your machine, you're pwned anyway.
In windows 11, the secure whatever thingy that’s require is what prevents the access and deletion of these In such a way (I think). It literally forces the CPU to keep you out of them.
cpu is too much of a low level for managing file permitions. I'd think it's slightly above the kernel.
You can just use 7zip to access most of the protected system folders. Ofc as running as admin. And IObit Unlocker to delete files/folders that has running process.
kinda curious, what would the auto repair/advanced boot up options say about all this? would it find and fix some stuff? would it turn windows 11 to windows 10 even more? would it crash? is safe mode still an option? I feel like there is more to it
i messed with just windowsapps a while ago and had the issues he had at the very beginning of the video. i couldn’t get a bunch of apps open, and no fixes were helping, so i decided to factory reset. factory reset still didn’t fix it, i had to do a clean install from a usb to finally fix it all. so it is unlikely that anything that is done within the operating system would actually help. this was all on windows 10, but i don’t think anything really would have changed in 11.
Windows: you know what? screw you. *downgrades your virtual machine*
upgrades*
Also, the SearchEngine indexes all files one the system which are not yet indexed, so if you delete the database (.db duh) it has more to index and creates its folders again. Killing the windows search (or uninstalling the system feature) will remove the folder forever.
Suggestion for a video: basically combine all the videos except you try to delete most stuff until the computer crashes (without rebooting).
Some parts of windows 11 still identifies as windows 10.
For example when I try to access group policy in the home version of windows 11, it said that group policy was not supported by this version of windows 10, even though it is windows 11
yes, cause the NT version is the same as windows 10
@@saudistic which is so weird. Vista through 8.1 were all NT 6.x, they jumped to 10.x for Windows 10 for consistency, then just outright kept the NT version number as 10.x, just with a bigger build number, when they moved to Win11.
I sometime looked into Windows's source code ans I saw most of Windows 10/11 codes are from Windows XP
UI is mostly changed otherwise people are just using Windows XP with new skin
'...in use." messages are among the most irksome things I can encounter when doing tasks (personal or professional) on a computer. It's almost exclusive to removable drives. Even when everything's closed as one does before powering down, I'll attempt to 'properly' eject external storage drives but will get errors claiming they're being used even after some time's passed since files were accessed on them. So naturally I do the "eh, f*ck it" thing we all do and yank those drives out. Hey, I was patient and gave it a warning. (Yoink!)
The funniest part is when it started to look like Windows 10
Windows, too, needs a failsafe.
I once messed with the video drivers on a windows XP virtual machine and it started to look like windows 98 including the icons.
@@NazmusLabs 😂
Mildly interesting: The old simplified aero theme from Windows Vista/7 can still be seen on Win11 in a few different spots before the modern skin gets applied.
Works on my computer running Windows 10, for a split-second I can sometimes see Aero Basic when exiting fullscreen mode on UA-cam
@@notthatntg Yup, you can do something similar by launching conhost (the "old" console host application), and holding down [Alt]+[Enter]. This makes it rapidly toggle fullscreen mode, allowing you to quickly see the old simplified aero theme. Still works on Win11 22H2.
aero basic also appears if graphics drivers crash and/or during the brief moments while full-screening SOME programs
Love this series of messing with Windows in VM! You could try to boot from a Linux Live ISO in the VM and delete things from the outside if the virtual disk and Windows installation it's not encrypted. You could try a System snapshot in Windows as a final recovery to see if it can recover all the way in such destruction, or attempt recovery methods that doesn't imply full reinstall to see to what extent you can make Windows somewhat functional again without reinstalling. In the System 32 deletion one you tried some of the recovery options in Windows, you could try some of the "outside" Windows ones. Like the tools you recommend to have in pendrives in other videos, or for example, copying from the outside from a fresh install (from other VM maybe) the folders missing to see if that improves something. Very cool series!
from my knowledge the "Windowsapp" folder is the directory for .appx, and .msixbundle (Microsoft store) apps, you can even use the "wsappbak" tool to repackage apps, using windows sandbox helps, and if the app doesn't have a trial version on the store page you can crack paid apps by downloading and installing from the store.rg-adguard and repackging from the tool
Deleting that folder leads to some windows apps like the clock and the terminal not functioning although I might be wrong here
You can do an in-place upgrade and that will probably fix the system without wiping data
(But you probably deleted the progams anyway which cannot be restored but at least you can restore the system to stable state again)
I actually messed with the Program Data folder because of the start menu.
That start menu folder some folders that correspond to folders that are visibble to everyone in the start menu
So what i did was a folder called Customization for customization programs like rainmeter and wallpaper engine
And Maintenece for maintenece programs
All those are shortcuts that everyone will be able to see in the start menu
There is also something like this for the desktop
You can open C:\Users\Public\Desktop drop files in there and then there will be a icon on your desktop (and everyone elses on your pc) (the icon is like the file or shorcut you put in there)
And these dont count as part of your desktop but still show up innit so you can have a lot of shortcuts on your desktop and have a clean desktop folder in the explorer (to make it easier to upload stuff from the desktop if you are not a drag and drop person)
Little fun fact, you can actually make W11’s taskbar look like W10 (not surprising though again, considering it’s built off 10) in settings to put the taskbar to the left, rather than the center.
Or you can delete all those files (pls no) lol
The settings option just centers the Windows 11 taskbar on the left of the screen, but there is a registry tweak that completely reverts the taskbar back to the one from Windows 10. The start menu is broken and doesn’t open when you do that, though.
I just want to be able to move it to the side or top of my screen again.
People: We will use Windows 11 instead of Windows 10
Microsoft: Fine I'll do it myself
The windows apps folder is actually for Microsoft store apps
that’s correct
May Allah (S.W.T.) guide you and bestow upon you His Blessings; Ameen.
What happens if you back up the folders before deleting them and just copy them back? would that be enough to fix it?
"We broke it so bad it downgraded"
no, it did not downgrade
since it is BUILT on top of Windows 10 but still has some visual things to hide it
you just deleted these visual things and it just revealed its state
I'd say it upgraded to Windows 10
@@wisemysticaltree2866 you're so damn right wise tree
I find these videos more satisfying to watch more than other tech vids
Me when I am out of storage
Program Files\WindowsApps is where apps downloaded from the Microsoft Store usually go.
It would be interesting what would happen in older Windows versions
Oh yeah and A your right click freezes due to registry keys pointing to applications which do not exist anymore (for example run defender scan) since you didn't delete the keys, it loops indefinitely between follow link -> failed -> follow link ... and B, sfc is 100 percent correct. There are no corrupted files, that tool is not a backup suite (Windows restore points are). Most of what you deleted, you could have uninstalled anyways. So restoring that stuff would be pretty bad actually. But your background came back - generated by the same tool which says "configuring windows, this may take a couple of minutes" when you first log into a fresh windows. It does not remember you already went through that process because you deleted program data, but it doesn't have much to do because a lot of what is does is written to C:\Windows\...
I wonder what happens if you delete your monitor
Either he earns money (if he sold it) or he gives it away to someone or maybe it stops working and he gets it repaired or just gives it away for recycling.
You start to wonder what happened why can I not see my computer
The fact that Windows 11 lit went to 10 is just crazy. I always thought the main Windows files were in the "Windows" folders
i would really appreciate it if you do a series on linux like you do for windows .
he wouldn't have any problem deleting anything; the only protection rm has from deleting / is GNU's --no-preserve-root option that isn't passed by default. But you can still delete the whole thing if you want!
Well, looks like we discovered Windows 10.5
Also, you can likely fix it easily by manually installing a browser, getting some of those deleted program files and putting them back in but idk
If you want to prevent your software getting deleted and killing your computer, don't let your cat sleep on your laptop.
Reverting to W10 was hilarious...loved it. THX!
Did you stumble upon a way to make Windows 11 use the Windows 10 taskbar? Obviously, it would need to be done in a surgical manner, assuming you knew what folder/files needed to be removed for just that part (and that Windows will work normally).
there is a registry tweak to do it
@@saudistic doesn't work anymore it has been patched , now u really need to change and edit all the system settings and elevations to revert the taskbar to that of windows 10
@@Arcane_Ayush ohh
It's absolutely absurd how the repairing tools/commands on Windows still can't repair the whole system. I mean, by now I think we should expect that not everything is recoverable only using the classic "System Recovery Tool" but also being able to fix anything and everything using highly advanced commands through PowerShell. I know it might sound difficult to be made or anything like that, but we should be able to recover from any errors that might happen in our computer. There are millions of variables and things that can happen, but people are mostly everyday asking for help posting all of them in support forums, so all the mistakes that had happened already shouldn't be a problem.
To show a simple example of what I'm talking, there's this awkward bug that happens to me in Start Menu EVER SINCE WINDOWS 7. It highlights the icons when my mouse hovers them, but the highlight never ends and even the App name shows up. I am using Windows 10 and this is not fixed yet. What I'd expect is that if I ran the Troubleshooting it would detect that issue and fix it, by now… But it won't.
What if you update windows to a next feature update in this state?
Better video title: how to make your windows 11 install look like windows 10 with big risk of bricking your pc
I once deleted a bunch of stuff in appdata. Needless to say it was bad lol. If you're looking for a follow up to this video thats something you could look at as well.
he did
@@NazmusLabs Welp I feel dumb now. Pretty sure I watched that one too, he just didn't mention it at the beginning so I assumed I was misremembering.
@@Der.Preusse it’s okay. I find myself forgetting stuff like this all the time
Windows will say you need permission from yourself if you don’t give yourself permissions with the Edit… button for some weird reason
notepad.exe is not used anymore as you can see in the video when you open it. You could say you also downgraded to windows 10 notepad lol.
Notepad.exe is considered a system file, so it's there regardless. Windows 11 has the new notepad replacement, which is one of the new style apps. When he deleted the manifests, Windows didn't know what was installed or how to access it. There's actually a powershell command you can use that will force Windows to reinstall the Windows Experience, which is where your default app store style apps (Metro or whatever you wish to call them these days). Once you reinstall the Windows Experience, it would fix many of the issues he left undone.
The funny thing is that I actually almost deleted the Program Files but due to my gamer reaction time I cancelled it before it could do any damage.
Fake
@@raphaelaziel248 How is it fake?
@@raphaelaziel248 Where's your proof
No more delete Program Files forever@@kavvvvvvvvvv
@@kavvvvvvvvvvnot faek
ThioJoe, why don't you try deleting the Registry and see what happens?
LOL Priceless 🤣
Already did one like that actually 🧐
What about system restore points to fix this? This may sound stupid, but I do not really know what they are.
@ThioJoe I don't understand, when deleting such critical files that Windows doesn't allow you to delete, why don't you just delete them outside Windows, like use another OS in the VM with dual boot or USB, and then boot the broken OS. This is only 100 IQ.
YESS MORE OF THESE WHAT ID YOU DELETE STUFF, been watching you for 3 years
What we learned from this Video:
Windows 11 is just Windows 10 with a new style...
Windows 10 is also Windows XP? What is your point? Did you seriously not know this?
@@NazmusLabs Buddy, you skipped 3 versions, i think you're the one trippin'
@@wisemysticaltree2866 no I didn’t. Windows vista is built on XP. Windows 7 is built on windows Vista. Windows 10 is built on Windows 8.
so windows 10 is an updated version of windows, XP
@@NazmusLabs you just proved that you skipped those three
W11 seems to "revert" to the Windows 10 look because you removed the WindowsApps folders, which contain all UWP apps in the system. W11 Explorer, Paint, Notepad, Terminal, Taskmgr etc are all UWP
1:40 - most of them ARE apps, not just preinstalled, but most installed apps from MS Store or sideloaded UWP / Windows App SDK apps or APPX/MSIX packaged apps and they do have manifests (and manifests or other assets in other, similarly named, folders)
look at the size of that folder in WizTree or WinDirStat, it most likely takes around 1GB for clean install of Windows, that would be too much for just manifests
I did not expect the ending
I still have never understood why it's even possible to delete these critical files 💀
I have an idea. Install a new copy of windows 11 and copy all of the program files to a USB. then boot into a windows installer, run a notepad with cmd, goto open file to open a file explorer, and copy the program files from the USB to the windows installation. then boot it back up with the files to see if it fixed
Up next: What happens if you delete your entire hard drive's contents?
On the windows 11 prototype, someone on 4chan found out by uninstalling edge forcibly it would revert explorer and the taskbar to the Windows 10 ones.
I have the thread archived somewhere on my hard drive.
Uninstalling only the browser part does not do that.
Is it possible to combine all the "Program Files" stored on 2 HD's onto only 1 drive and have them still work without having to reinstall those files>
whats weird is taht the windows 10 taskbar and explorer are in the registry and it really suprised me
yes, windows 10 taskbar and explore is still in the operating system. Software programs like startallback uses the old windows 10 taskbar to bring the functionalities back
May Allah (S.W.T.) guide you and bestow upon you His Blessings; Ameen.
icacls /reset only sets the same permissions as parent folder. The windows folders trees have much more complex permissions. You need to restore the delicate structure of permissions by using icacls /restore from backup created on working installation of the same windows build. In-place upgrade/reinstall is the best way to fix this mess.
I would welcome video on how to intentionally switch to Windows 10 file explorer in Windows 11.
There is like already so much information i got from this video and now i am curious to try this on my VM as well
It would be mildly interesting to see what would happen if you ran the CACLS fix before running any of the file fixes.
11:56 - when it got stuck like this, just press Enter, or even Spacebar (if I remember correctly). And it'll continue.
hey thio, you may already know this, but if you have problems with folders being constantly recreated, try naming a file that name instead of a folder
A more practical what if scenario, is what if you move the program files folders to a different drive and symlink to them from the original drive.
There doesn't seem to be a way to change the default installation directory for everything to read and use and everything wants to put itself on your system drive when you obviously want them on your larger data drive. So you have to change the path for every program every time. Instead of defaulting to a specified location. 🙁
What if you tried
-Using system reset
-Restore point?
-Running DISM/SFC in a USB/disc install menu (targeting the internal drive)?
Fun fact :The "WindowsApps" folder
also contains apps downloaded from the MS Store.
yup, not just manifests, but also the actual executable files, including those for the Microsoft Store itself.
You are the record holder of computers! You have most important videos in the world.
ThioJoe: TrustedInstaller is the highest permission
Copilot, AI made by microsoft: In summary, system is the highest permission. [insert_emojis_here]
I think next video might be deleting windows files. Always loved your presentation and you eyes :)😁
If something says it is in use, the easiest way to circumvent that is to drag it into the recycle bin and empty the recycle bin
I'd like to see you delete everything you can find on Windows related to the Recycle Bin.
on the bios advanced restart firmware options, it recognized my Win11 as Win10, so now it makes more sense.
Changing the file extensions and/or filenames can be fun. Of course files with high privileges will not let you do it until your escalate your own privileges.
thanks for showing the app to delete as a trusted installer
A system repair usually fixes it if done right. If that does not fix it, a recovery disk or installation media is have to be used.
the fact that windows 11 goes back to 10 is really interessting
Not surprised it went back to windows 10, Microsoft is notorious for just piling on rather than remove and replace. I really think you could find 98 if you dug deep enough.
@10:50 its a simple fix, you need to disable the wsearch service that keeps trying to index things and then restart. I dont need indexing myself so i have it perma turned off (and yes you can still use the search bar!)
Windows 11 is just a skin installed in the ProgramFiles directory 😂