What an absolutely AMAZING finale!! Full of emotion and suspense. They did such a great job adapting this game to the show!! Season 2 will be even MORE emotional and action packed!!
For season two they need to explore the time between part 1-2. That’s a five year gap we never got to explore. Then for season 3/4 they can cover part 2.
@@jleos0095 it seems like a director that doesn't want to you know exhaust everything out and make it too long you know what I'm saying you know maybe three or four seasons maybe have flashbacks or she's like 19 or something in the second game it good tho
The Giraffe is real, they actually filmed in it's own enclosure at the zoo. Watch the behind the scenes... actually theres a lot that was cg that I thought was real and a lot that was real that I thought was cg, just shows how great everything looked overall.
In the show while Joel is going through the hospital taking out the fireflies, the scene of Sarah’s death kept replaying in my head. The look on his face was as if everyone he saw looked like the soldier that took his daughter from him. Just chilling
This episode was so packed... one of the things that "Struck" me was Joel, calm and focused in the hospital, on save Ellie mode... not beast mode, not rage just save Ellie... the music that played in that scene; I was in tears. and hello, Ashley as Ellie's mom... OMG... They tied this season up and the lies a parent will tell to save their child... Loved your reaction - so fun watching with you two. Joel being chatty and Ellie shut down... God... How they say 'I love you' without uttering the words... I see a few awards for this show and the actors. Real giraffe...
The doctor (Abby's father) who was going to operate on Ellie was not a medical doctor he was merely a botanist and he was going to harvest Ellie's brain and slice it up .. a wild gamble with no guarantee of success.
Ellie should have been given a choice. The fact that Joel took her that entire way, and the FIreflies treated him like crap when he asked to see her. The way I understood what Marlene said, was that there was a "chance" at getting a cure. They could have messed up in surgery, killed Ellie, and lost the cure option. And even if they were successful in getting a cure, how were they going to manufacture enough of it to cure the entire broken world? Let's also not forget that the Fireflies and Fedra were fighting for a long time. I don't think the world could have been saved anyway. So there was no point in killing Ellie for the "chance". Just my opinion. I loved every episode of this series. It is one of the best I have ever seen.
How’d they treat him badly, when he got there they said were indebted to him. I do agree with the fact Ellie should e been given a choice, it’s her body.
@@LovedByYou When Joel wakes up in the hospital, Marlene tells him that they owe him. Joel wants to see Ellie. Marlene tells him he can't. A soldier hits him in the stomach with the end of his gun. Marlene hands her soldiers part of Joel's gear and the knife and orders them to take him out of the hospital. If he tries anything, she orders them to shoot him. So she's so greatful that she is going to give Joel a knife and send him on his way into a world that is barely survivable. Marlene even said she barely made it to the hospital alive herself. She is sending him to his death by not properly equipping him. On the way out of the hospital, the 2 Firefly soldiers talk a bunch of crap to Joel and push him around. They treated him like a piece of dirt. And if Ellie was given the choice to die for the world, she would have wanted to say goodbye to Joel. Ellie wouldn't have wanted him to be treated the way he was.
As a parent, I would have done just what Joel did when my son was 15. Especially if he didn't know that it would kill him on the off chance that it actually worked. Just wow! My son, who has played the game warned me, but this was just fantastic!
Neil Druckman, the principal creator of the story, said the choice was intended to be between sacrificing a beloved child, on the one hand, and dooming humanity, on the other. So the writer's intent was that the cure was a realistic possibility. In reality, in our world, medical science isn't that cut and dried (but we also live in a world without fungus-human-hybrid zombies, so the fictional world is different). The intent was that the audience struggle with the problem of whether you can sacrifice one life to save a multitude. At the same time, in Episode 2, when the mycologist recommended bombing Jakarta (and Tess later sais they bombed Boston to slow the spread), that was presented as surprising, but not presented as a wildly unethical idea...and Jakarta had a population of about 8.5 million people circa 2003. That sacrifice of innocent people to save even more lives elsewhere seemed more logical, more justified...even though there had to be, let's say, two million innocent children in the city. The big difference being, all those children were faceless, nameless strangers, and we got to know Ellie. It suggests that the urge to save Ellie, is perhaps more of an emotional reaction rather than a logical one (or perhaps that the decision in Jakarka was cold and unfeeling, and the decision to save Ellie more human).
Josh is my spirit animal! Although unlike him I've played both games, but in the giraffe scene when Ellie was running around , I also immediately recognized the game play, that was dope! Who knows if this "cure " would even work, but I still think Ellie should've been given the choice. I'm with Joel, and I would've done the same thing. Especially because Marlene doesn't know that the umbilical cord was cut AFTER the bite, that's apparently the key to Ellie's immunity, hmmm.....don't know how feel about that, but I'd do the same thing Joel did.
Man Joel went dark clear mode there! I don’t trust those fireflies! My question is where is CDC all these years! Marlene didn’t even tell her what they were going to do her! If she respected her mom how can she not question the doctor if there was another way! The fireflies are no Angels either. I agree the whole surgery thing doesn’t sit well with me!
@6:18 Ashleys' "you're so tough" was a adlib that when they heard it they HAD to keep & damnit I'm glad they did!! The literal and scene mother to "Ellie" / Ellie herself affirming this kid will be special, is loved and tough as nails had me SOBBINGGGG!!! 🥹😭 Fantastic job on the entire series!!!
I knew a few tidbits from the first game, such as Sarah's death occurring on the night of the outbreak and that the story centred around Joel guiding Ellie across country and forming a father-daughter type bond along the way, I haven't actually played the games, however, so this series has been quite the journey. Ellie's birth scene was amazing... and tragic... and scary... and beautiful... and really interesting as the likely source of her immunity. What a devastating thing for Marlene though. They certainly were very different people, but like Joel, Marlene was someone hardened by this world. They also both made the same mistake at the end, taking the decision away from Ellie. I love that following the flashback they then opened up with Ellie's trauma and the change in her personality, hard as it was to see. It is realistic, though, as the experiences she has had over the previous months would undoubtedly damage a person. Especially a teenager, their hormone riddled bodies and brains being generally ill equipped to deal with their emotions as it is, haha..... we've all been there. Some of the conversations in this episode were so well crafted. The one where Joel tells Ellie they can still turn around, go live a quiet life back at Tommy's, and she responds that they have to go all the way with their mission perfectly foreshadows Joel's conflict later in the episode. He knows Ellie would probably choose to die for a shot at saving humanity, but he just can't stand to lose her. I also loved the conversation where Joel discusses trying to kill himself. It was the most honest and vulnerable Joel has been with her throughout. I think he realised she was needing that from him, but it was also something he simply wanted to give to her to show just how much she had come to mean to him. He was expressing to her that as dark and painful as it may get at times, you will find the light and the beauty again. You will find yourself again. That of course culminated in the moment where he indicates to Ellie that it was she that had healed him from the wound that was the loss of Sarah, she who had led him back to the light, the beauty, and to himself again - such a touching moment. Seeing Joel come from being this person who was extremely closed-off and bitter for 20yrs to this moment of open vulnerability and hope was such a great representation of that healing and how far their relationship had come. The sound design on the hospital rescue scene (where Joel rescues Ellie from the surgeon's knife) was amazing. The music was dominant, with the sounds of gunshots, spent shells pinging on the floor, and the occasional agonised scream heard underneath it. That, and the music itself, created a great deal of tension and left a sombre sense in the air. This was no moment of triumph or joy and I think we got that same sombre sense from Joel in the car afterwards. Sure he saved Ellie, but he again had to kill to do it and he also understands that he may have just resigned humanity to eventual extinction. You can see in that moment that he's hugely conflicted and he knows that he acted somewhat selfishly, but he so desperately wanted Ellie to have the chance at a full and decent life that Sarah never got. He also knows that Marlene was probably right when she said that Ellie would give her life for a cure. Afterall, that's why he lies to her, right? Because she would have chosen to sacrifice herself and would be pissed that he did what he did. Despite this, despite knowing that Ellie would probably choose the surgery, he still couldn't bring himself to let her go. Whilst we can all make the argument for why Joel should have acted for the greater good, I think we can all understand why he didn't also, so it's super hard to be highly critical of him. I think it's this that makes this ending such a compelling one. Ultimately, however, as I said above this should have been Ellie's decision to make and both Joel and Marlene took it from her. They should have fully informed her and then supported her in making her decision in her own time and free from pressure or coercion. Joel and Ellie's final conversation was again brilliantly crafted. In opening up about Riley I think Ellie was essentially saying to Joel, "Hey, this is my deepest, most painful secret and I'm about to be totally honest with you about it, so I expect you to be the same when I ask you about what happened back at the hospital." She obviously has her doubts about Joel's story, but I think she so desperately wants it to be true, so desperately wants to have not been betrayed by the one person she trusts and loves in this world, that she's willing herself to accept it. Deep down, however, I think there's a part of her that knows he's lying. Please, no spoilers, but I can't help thinking that Joel's lie is going to come back to bite him in the second game/season. Through all this trauma and adversity they've slowly built a loving relationship on a foundation of openness and trust. This fact was really highlighted by the conversations they shared throughout this episode, so I suspect that trust will be broken when Ellie learns the truth about what happened at the hospital and that she still might hold the potential for a cure. Though it pains me to say, I think this will likely be a major source of conflict between the two next season. Anyway, this first season has been great. The writing, the music, the casting, the directing, the cinematography, the acting, etc, etc, etc has all been top notch. Special mention of course for Bella and Pedro, they've carried this story brilliantly. Thanks for your reactions, let's do it all again come season two.
Marlene sacrificed Ellie just as she had sacrificed troops over 2 decades. She was disposable--as demonstrated by her giving away her friend's knife to Joel. Joel represents family--just as seen with Henry and Sam. Sacrifice all for the one. Joel has idealized Ellie and their relationship---keep in mind they have not been together for even a year. She has never lived with a family. She has never had a daughter/parent relationship. Plus, both of them are so profoundly traumatized.
There’s no “right” answer…..it’s all about perspective. That’s what makes the game and the show so great. That being said, even if the Fireflies did successfully make a vaccine, it’s too late to save the world because there’s no global infrastructure anymore. The only people that would get the vaccine would be other Fireflies or they’d use it to get people to join them. They would never give it to FEDRA members or any citizens in the QZ who supported them. The vaccine would just be another tool to help them win their war.
Exactly my thoughts. The world was far too gone. Even if there was a cure it would never stop people from being awful to each other. The remaining population already accepted that fact. A potential cure wouldn’t do much. We never hear about how much of the world was killed but it’s at least over 80%. There’s just no way humanity would be able to rebuild. If they did it would take well over 100 years or even longer. The Fireflies would’ve safeguarded the cure so they could remain in power while FEDRA continues to fight. The cure would just cause more violence and chaos.
@@andyd3447 If you see it that way, you're quite literally throwing any depth and complexity of this ending out of the window. This season and the first game is quite literally about Joel and Ellie's journey - not the one that leads them to the fireflies, but the one that turns them into father and adopted daughter. Ellie stopped being cargo to Joel long before he finally admitted, but that babygirl scene is supposed to be confirmation of it: the creators of the game confirmed this is how he would call his kids. Sarah, and then Ellie. They don't need to call each other "dad" and "daughter" for the viewer to understand this. That's why it's supposed to be so ethically challenging and why Neil spoke to parents when asking their opinions about the finale
@@blurrylinesx8039 Joel's emotional baggage wasn't Marlene or anyone else's problem. He stopped a vaccine from being created that would have saved the entire world. When Ellie finds out in the second game she is devastated and tells him that he ruined her chance to make a difference and that now her life means nothing. He was SELFISH plain and simple.
@Andy D when Ellie finds out in the second game, she's also no longer 14 years old and has spent years living a good life in Jackson, thus making her actually apt to choose. As a traumatized kid, she was not. It's very simple actually, and it's why guardians and parents are the ones to authorize when a child needs invasive or risky procedures like surgery that could result in death. It's why relationships between a 16 year old and 26 year old will always creep people out, no matter how much the teen might "consent to it". It's why age of consent exists in the first place.Their brains simply don't process stuff the way an adult's one does. Plus, she was never given a choice either way and a "third option" of what would've been, so of course she will always fault Joel as long as she's breathing and ALIVE. There is no "um, I wonder if Ellie would be happy if Joel had left her there to save humanity" because she would've been dead. Marlene took her the choice and Joel kept it that way. So the only way she gets to marinate on this alive is knowing that to save her from getting killed unbeknownst to her, Joel had to kill dozens of people. That's the only way she'll ever see it. But it doesn't matter if her answer would've changed from when she was 14 or remained the same. She simply wasn't the one to make that call because that is a child.
I don't think the infected would eat a giraffe. The whole purpose of the cordyceps is to spread. The infected wouldn't even try to spread with other species unless there is a shortage of humans. That's when they will seek out new hosts.
The classic Trolley Problem. Marlene makes her decision as a leader to save as many as she can save. Joel makes his decision as a father to save the one he loves. Either way, both took Ellie's agency away even though she probably would have chosen to go through with the surgery. Ellie was keeping a ledger of people she lost along the way. She wanted all those deaths and all the good and terrible things that happened to her to mean something. Joel knows this, and it's probably why he lies to her. Ellie knows Joel well by now; she already knows he's lying about what really happened. This lie will poison their relationship. Should Ellie learn the truth, I don't think she will forgive him for it.
This caused some major moral dilemmas for sure! Great reaction as always & im looking forward to the coming months with TONS of content for us to get into :D!
The way that ellie's voice actor looks so much like bella to the point I was tripping, thinking they made bella look older and got her to play her mom!
When this journey started, Ellie was cargo and Joel refused to discuss his past. By the last episode, Joel shared his suicide attempt and moved heaven and earth to save Ellie - so much for cargo!
I read that the giraffes were actually real. They used CGI for the background but the giraffes were ones they went to see at the Caliguiri Zoo which is awesome.
I don't think putting the choice to Ellie actually solves anything. There's a reason we don't let 14 year olds make life and death decisions or sign contracts - they aren’t experienced enough nor do they have the emotional maturity to fully understand the consequences of those decisions. Ellie is more mature than the average, but she is not in a place to be making life or death decisions for herself. She’s traumatized and depressed, and blames herself for all the deaths that have taken place around her. She would be in no fit state to make such a decision even if she were an adult. At this point, Joel is the closest thing she has to a guardian so yes, it was his decision to make. Lying to her afterwords? That's a whole other question.
I've read other comments about people saying that this was the moment that Joel became a villain, but I think of him as an anti-hero and he has the traits They tend to make selfish decisions and don't care about the consequences They may be fighting for what they believe is a noble cause, but their methods are often questionable They rebel against authority figures and society They're self-destructive or anti-social They have a cynical outlook on the world around them They have a troubled past that haunts them And as a father, I would have made the same decision. It's ironic that Marlene told him that It wasn't his choice to make when they never gave Ellie the choice, even though I believe she would have said yes. I started watching the series with no knowledge of what happened in the game. I don't know anyone who plays it so there was no source material for me to even know about and I'm glad. I've enjoyed it since episode 1. It was a great season and I want to say from a walking dead fan, this surpass the walking Dead
A bit late to the party here guys, but do Marlene and the doctor even know HOW Ellie is immune? How can they just plan to do brain surgery without even knowing whether there is mutant fungus in her brain??
The doctor had to be some type of specialist & maybe their assumption/ diagnosis is that the fungus rely's on attacking the brain 🧠 to take control as well as creating the hive mentality thru the brain 🧠
Only nit pick is they didn't have ellie line after listing those that have died she says "I'm still waiting for my turn" which I feel like really hammered home that ellie would have chosen to die.
HIHI GUYS THATS A REAL GIRAFE THEY SHARED A PIC OF BEHIND THE SCENES :3 IM GONNA MISS THIS SHOW AND CHARACTERS AND ACTORS SO MUCH UGH cant wait for s2 and excited for casting for characters for s2
I don't think the fireflies ever intended giving Ellie a choice. Which is why they didn't tell her. If they did and she refused they would have drugged her and done it anyway because nothing else mattered to them. This whole thing though didn't sit right with me. How did the Dr. come to that conclusion without fully examining Ellie? Who was he? Was this his expertise? And why do you need the whole brain? You only need a small piece of tissue to make millions of copies of cells. You couldn't get it through brain or spinal fluid? I don't think the doctor knew what he was getting into so that's why he just wanted to kill her and take it all. Lol!
Loved the finale. Loved the season too. Excited for season 2 and ready to see how it's going to play out when Ellie finds out the truth about the hospital.
As I have had time to think about it, I think the writers knew all of us who work in research would be yelling at the tv, "You don't have to kill her! This makes no sense!" I'm wondering if this was the point of it all. Imagine if Eugene would have continued with the deception and they had gotten him all the way to D.C to a NIH lab. What would he have done? He seemed smart enough. Everyone would've taken his word for it. And if he'd never come up with a cure, "Oh well that's science.' Lol!
Yeah..the Giraffe was real...they posted about it in a article I saw and now they have it on UA-cam how this scene was shot. They got to feed a real Giraffe and behind it was a blue screen but the others walking in that baseball field, I would bet to say of course are CGI...
Great reaction. I wish you had included the part where Ellie says” I get it, time heals all wounds.” And Joel says “ It wasn’t time. “ The look on Ellie’s face as she slowly digests this is perfection. She may be the cure for all humanity but for Joel, she is the personal healing he has needed since he lost his daughter. He loves her and he is not going to let her go now that he’s finally found peace again.
@@NocBroNation I get it. I just like seeing you guys cry like me! 😂 Seriously though, you guys are my favorite reactors bc I feel like I’m watching with my friends.
Amazing show , only nitpick I have is that they ignored and left out ALOT of great “infected” scenes. There really wasn’t much infected at all. I wanted more in that department along with more of the world or apocalypse itself. Idk it felt pretty rushed but that’s prolly only cuz I’ve played the game I suppose and didn’t go in clueless. Regardless - solid 8/10
Marlene's big fuck-up in the series was to not give Ellie a choice. We know that Ellie would have chosen to sacrifice herself and she would have been the ONLY one who could have talked Joel into letting her go. After that, there would have been only one person Joel would have been a danger to, himself. I don't think he could have lost a daughter twice and kept going.
I love Bella Ramsey as Ellie and This series is a masterpiece I can’t wait for season 2 I loved part 2 last of us 2 game and I love the casting locations and the emotions the cast a d producers of the game and show bring too show Neil and naughty dog have nailed this season and I can’t wait for season 2 everybody hated part 2 but I really loved part 2
We see with Sam and with Bill that they cannot live once they lose the person who gave them purpose. Joel could have not continued with life if he had lost Ellie. He had to do what he had to do. I understand it and would probs done the same. Bill said in his letter to Joel god help any mofos who stand in their way and we now saw the brutality he was known for.
I love this show its my second favorite game my only issue is this world seems way more safe then the walking dead no infected really why would they need a cure I understand it more in the game but if people haven't played the game it would feel totally unnecessary to kill her for the cure needs more danger I hope they fix that in the 2nd season
Facts, but the way the fireflies were handling their one and only immune patient in 20 years made me severely doubt their aptitude to the task to be honest lol. Killing your only immune specimen on the very day you get access to them without exhausting all the alternatives first like blood, bone marrow, tissue and etc just seems like an incredibly stupid way to fuck up your one chance at getting anywhere near a vaccine. Not that it mattered to Joel's decision at all because he didn't gave a damn about the world, but still
What an absolutely AMAZING finale!! Full of emotion and suspense. They did such a great job adapting this game to the show!! Season 2 will be even MORE emotional and action packed!!
For future video game adaptations I vote for days gone. Yes, it's another zombie game, but it also has the best story I've ever seen in a video game.
I was Wow 🤩 all the time too, thanks for the reactions fellas. It’s been emotional
I love this show I can't wait for season 2 it was really good
For season two they need to explore the time between part 1-2. That’s a five year gap we never got to explore. Then for season 3/4 they can cover part 2.
@@jleos0095 it seems like a director that doesn't want to you know exhaust everything out and make it too long you know what I'm saying you know maybe three or four seasons maybe have flashbacks or she's like 19 or something in the second game it good tho
The Giraffe is real, they actually filmed in it's own enclosure at the zoo. Watch the behind the scenes... actually theres a lot that was cg that I thought was real and a lot that was real that I thought was cg, just shows how great everything looked overall.
It looked cog bc they messed with the lighting to make it match the background and didn’t exactly work
This series was amazing from start to finish. Props to Ashley Johnson for bringing Anna to life and making that scene so special. ❤️
In the show while Joel is going through the hospital taking out the fireflies, the scene of Sarah’s death kept replaying in my head. The look on his face was as if everyone he saw looked like the soldier that took his daughter from him. Just chilling
This episode was so packed... one of the things that "Struck" me was Joel, calm and focused in the hospital, on save Ellie mode... not beast mode, not rage just save Ellie... the music that played in that scene; I was in tears. and hello, Ashley as Ellie's mom... OMG... They tied this season up and the lies a parent will tell to save their child... Loved your reaction - so fun watching with you two. Joel being chatty and Ellie shut down... God... How they say 'I love you' without uttering the words... I see a few awards for this show and the actors. Real giraffe...
It was a real giraffe. They built a blue screen in the giraffe enclosure at the Calgary Zoo. The family might have been CGI tho.
The scene with the giraffe was a combination of a VFX stage, scenery and location shoot with real giraffes from the Calagary Zoo being used.
Glad Josh noticed the guy didn't cover Ellie's ears, I thought I was the only one that noticed.
I think he cupped her head with his arm
It's actually a real giraffe! It was the background and everything that was CG :)
She looks like her mom, can you believe this she was fighting from birth ,LOVED IT
I think it’s because the background was CGI and a real giraffe that the giraffe looked wonky lol!
The giraffe being fed was real
Ellie, literally values the truth so much so for him to lie to her face broke my heart for Ellie.
The Giraffe is actually real
Absolutely LOVING this show! I started playing the game on the PS5. And omg. I am TERRIBLE. 😂 It took me nearly 3 days to get to Ellie.
Hilarious 😂
The giraffe scene is actually not CGI!
The doctor (Abby's father) who was going to operate on Ellie was not a medical doctor he was merely a botanist and he was going to harvest Ellie's brain and slice it up .. a wild gamble with no guarantee of success.
That is a real giraffe!!!
Ellie should have been given a choice. The fact that Joel took her that entire way, and the FIreflies treated him like crap when he asked to see her. The way I understood what Marlene said, was that there was a "chance" at getting a cure. They could have messed up in surgery, killed Ellie, and lost the cure option. And even if they were successful in getting a cure, how were they going to manufacture enough of it to cure the entire broken world? Let's also not forget that the Fireflies and Fedra were fighting for a long time. I don't think the world could have been saved anyway. So there was no point in killing Ellie for the "chance". Just my opinion. I loved every episode of this series. It is one of the best I have ever seen.
How’d they treat him badly, when he got there they said were indebted to him. I do agree with the fact Ellie should e been given a choice, it’s her body.
@@LovedByYou When Joel wakes up in the hospital, Marlene tells him that they owe him. Joel wants to see Ellie. Marlene tells him he can't. A soldier hits him in the stomach with the end of his gun. Marlene hands her soldiers part of Joel's gear and the knife and orders them to take him out of the hospital. If he tries anything, she orders them to shoot him. So she's so greatful that she is going to give Joel a knife and send him on his way into a world that is barely survivable. Marlene even said she barely made it to the hospital alive herself. She is sending him to his death by not properly equipping him. On the way out of the hospital, the 2 Firefly soldiers talk a bunch of crap to Joel and push him around. They treated him like a piece of dirt. And if Ellie was given the choice to die for the world, she would have wanted to say goodbye to Joel. Ellie wouldn't have wanted him to be treated the way he was.
My one complaint is the lack of infected compared to the game, but I still loved this season as a whole.
Those are apparently real giraffes from the Calgary Zoo.
As a parent, I would have done just what Joel did when my son was 15. Especially if he didn't know that it would kill him on the off chance that it actually worked. Just wow! My son, who has played the game warned me, but this was just fantastic!
Neil Druckman, the principal creator of the story, said the choice was intended to be between sacrificing a beloved child, on the one hand, and dooming humanity, on the other. So the writer's intent was that the cure was a realistic possibility. In reality, in our world, medical science isn't that cut and dried (but we also live in a world without fungus-human-hybrid zombies, so the fictional world is different). The intent was that the audience struggle with the problem of whether you can sacrifice one life to save a multitude. At the same time, in Episode 2, when the mycologist recommended bombing Jakarta (and Tess later sais they bombed Boston to slow the spread), that was presented as surprising, but not presented as a wildly unethical idea...and Jakarta had a population of about 8.5 million people circa 2003. That sacrifice of innocent people to save even more lives elsewhere seemed more logical, more justified...even though there had to be, let's say, two million innocent children in the city. The big difference being, all those children were faceless, nameless strangers, and we got to know Ellie. It suggests that the urge to save Ellie, is perhaps more of an emotional reaction rather than a logical one (or perhaps that the decision in Jakarka was cold and unfeeling, and the decision to save Ellie more human).
19:51 “that dude” is Abby’s dad. Come on boys thats literally the catalyst for season 2!!!
I’m sure he knows, he just doesn’t want to spoil it for Josh
The giraffe is real actually lol
Yup😂
But was it really really really real
@@DukeJimbob yeah there’s behind the scenes images
The giraffe was real!
Josh is my spirit animal! Although unlike him I've played both games, but in the giraffe scene when Ellie was running around , I also immediately recognized the game play, that was dope! Who knows if this "cure " would even work, but I still think Ellie should've been given the choice. I'm with Joel, and I would've done the same thing. Especially because Marlene doesn't know that the umbilical cord was cut AFTER the bite, that's apparently the key to Ellie's immunity, hmmm.....don't know how feel about that, but I'd do the same thing Joel did.
Man Joel went dark clear mode there! I don’t trust those fireflies! My question is where is CDC all these years! Marlene didn’t even tell her what they were going to do her! If she respected her mom how can she not question the doctor if there was another way! The fireflies are no Angels either. I agree the whole surgery thing doesn’t sit well with me!
The giraffe was real guys lol
The background was all cgi
A lot of reactors think it's cgi and I think it's a credit to modern cgi that so many people think a real giraffe could be cgi
@6:18 Ashleys' "you're so tough" was a adlib that when they heard it they HAD to keep & damnit I'm glad they did!!
The literal and scene mother to "Ellie" / Ellie herself affirming this kid will be special, is loved and tough as nails had me SOBBINGGGG!!! 🥹😭
Fantastic job on the entire series!!!
Been waiting on this since last night lololol you guys never disappoint!! Thanks for doing TLOF reaction for us....they are thoroughly enjoyed. ❣️🗽
Ellie's demeanor in the beginning broke my heart and Jarelle's "fuckface" took me out! 😂
It's a shame that Ellie (and Marlene) don't know that Ellie's mom was bit before the cord was cut & thus THAT could be a way to create other immunity.
But kinda hard to find willing pragnent woman to die AND sacrifice their kid. Fucked up situation
Ellie looks just like her Mom.
They really did great with that casting. Especially since the mom actress did Ellie's voice for the game.
Ellie IS Her Mom.
It was a real giraffe bro!! 🤣
One of the nurses in the operating room was Laura Bailey, the voice of Abby in The Last of Us Part 2.
I knew a few tidbits from the first game, such as Sarah's death occurring on the night of the outbreak and that the story centred around Joel guiding Ellie across country and forming a father-daughter type bond along the way, I haven't actually played the games, however, so this series has been quite the journey.
Ellie's birth scene was amazing... and tragic... and scary... and beautiful... and really interesting as the likely source of her immunity. What a devastating thing for Marlene though. They certainly were very different people, but like Joel, Marlene was someone hardened by this world. They also both made the same mistake at the end, taking the decision away from Ellie.
I love that following the flashback they then opened up with Ellie's trauma and the change in her personality, hard as it was to see. It is realistic, though, as the experiences she has had over the previous months would undoubtedly damage a person. Especially a teenager, their hormone riddled bodies and brains being generally ill equipped to deal with their emotions as it is, haha..... we've all been there.
Some of the conversations in this episode were so well crafted. The one where Joel tells Ellie they can still turn around, go live a quiet life back at Tommy's, and she responds that they have to go all the way with their mission perfectly foreshadows Joel's conflict later in the episode. He knows Ellie would probably choose to die for a shot at saving humanity, but he just can't stand to lose her.
I also loved the conversation where Joel discusses trying to kill himself. It was the most honest and vulnerable Joel has been with her throughout. I think he realised she was needing that from him, but it was also something he simply wanted to give to her to show just how much she had come to mean to him. He was expressing to her that as dark and painful as it may get at times, you will find the light and the beauty again. You will find yourself again. That of course culminated in the moment where he indicates to Ellie that it was she that had healed him from the wound that was the loss of Sarah, she who had led him back to the light, the beauty, and to himself again - such a touching moment. Seeing Joel come from being this person who was extremely closed-off and bitter for 20yrs to this moment of open vulnerability and hope was such a great representation of that healing and how far their relationship had come.
The sound design on the hospital rescue scene (where Joel rescues Ellie from the surgeon's knife) was amazing. The music was dominant, with the sounds of gunshots, spent shells pinging on the floor, and the occasional agonised scream heard underneath it. That, and the music itself, created a great deal of tension and left a sombre sense in the air. This was no moment of triumph or joy and I think we got that same sombre sense from Joel in the car afterwards. Sure he saved Ellie, but he again had to kill to do it and he also understands that he may have just resigned humanity to eventual extinction. You can see in that moment that he's hugely conflicted and he knows that he acted somewhat selfishly, but he so desperately wanted Ellie to have the chance at a full and decent life that Sarah never got. He also knows that Marlene was probably right when she said that Ellie would give her life for a cure. Afterall, that's why he lies to her, right? Because she would have chosen to sacrifice herself and would be pissed that he did what he did. Despite this, despite knowing that Ellie would probably choose the surgery, he still couldn't bring himself to let her go. Whilst we can all make the argument for why Joel should have acted for the greater good, I think we can all understand why he didn't also, so it's super hard to be highly critical of him. I think it's this that makes this ending such a compelling one. Ultimately, however, as I said above this should have been Ellie's decision to make and both Joel and Marlene took it from her. They should have fully informed her and then supported her in making her decision in her own time and free from pressure or coercion.
Joel and Ellie's final conversation was again brilliantly crafted. In opening up about Riley I think Ellie was essentially saying to Joel, "Hey, this is my deepest, most painful secret and I'm about to be totally honest with you about it, so I expect you to be the same when I ask you about what happened back at the hospital." She obviously has her doubts about Joel's story, but I think she so desperately wants it to be true, so desperately wants to have not been betrayed by the one person she trusts and loves in this world, that she's willing herself to accept it. Deep down, however, I think there's a part of her that knows he's lying. Please, no spoilers, but I can't help thinking that Joel's lie is going to come back to bite him in the second game/season. Through all this trauma and adversity they've slowly built a loving relationship on a foundation of openness and trust. This fact was really highlighted by the conversations they shared throughout this episode, so I suspect that trust will be broken when Ellie learns the truth about what happened at the hospital and that she still might hold the potential for a cure. Though it pains me to say, I think this will likely be a major source of conflict between the two next season.
Anyway, this first season has been great. The writing, the music, the casting, the directing, the cinematography, the acting, etc, etc, etc has all been top notch. Special mention of course for Bella and Pedro, they've carried this story brilliantly.
Thanks for your reactions, let's do it all again come season two.
Your definitely in for a ride come along Season 2! Wish you the best of luck avoiding spoilers- there are a lot out there
Marlene sacrificed Ellie just as she had sacrificed troops over 2 decades. She was disposable--as demonstrated by her giving away her friend's knife to Joel. Joel represents family--just as seen with Henry and Sam. Sacrifice all for the one. Joel has idealized Ellie and their relationship---keep in mind they have not been together for even a year. She has never lived with a family. She has never had a daughter/parent relationship. Plus, both of them are so profoundly traumatized.
Ahhh I didn’t realize it was Ellie’s Mom’s knife- nice catch
it was confirmed the giraffe was real named Nabo
There’s no “right” answer…..it’s all about perspective. That’s what makes the game and the show so great.
That being said, even if the Fireflies did successfully make a vaccine, it’s too late to save the world because there’s no global infrastructure anymore. The only people that would get the vaccine would be other Fireflies or they’d use it to get people to join them. They would never give it to FEDRA members or any citizens in the QZ who supported them. The vaccine would just be another tool to help them win their war.
Exactly my thoughts. The world was far too gone. Even if there was a cure it would never stop people from being awful to each other. The remaining population already accepted that fact. A potential cure wouldn’t do much. We never hear about how much of the world was killed but it’s at least over 80%. There’s just no way humanity would be able to rebuild. If they did it would take well over 100 years or even longer. The Fireflies would’ve safeguarded the cure so they could remain in power while FEDRA continues to fight. The cure would just cause more violence and chaos.
Parents are 100% behind Joel. Other game players are divided 50-50.
Fortunately medical ethics does not allow this to be done ever.
I'm thinking ethics would go out the window after 20 years post apocalypse.
She wasnt joels daughter.
@@andyd3447 If you see it that way, you're quite literally throwing any depth and complexity of this ending out of the window. This season and the first game is quite literally about Joel and Ellie's journey - not the one that leads them to the fireflies, but the one that turns them into father and adopted daughter. Ellie stopped being cargo to Joel long before he finally admitted, but that babygirl scene is supposed to be confirmation of it: the creators of the game confirmed this is how he would call his kids. Sarah, and then Ellie. They don't need to call each other "dad" and "daughter" for the viewer to understand this. That's why it's supposed to be so ethically challenging and why Neil spoke to parents when asking their opinions about the finale
@@blurrylinesx8039 Joel's emotional baggage wasn't Marlene or anyone else's problem. He stopped a vaccine from being created that would have saved the entire world. When Ellie finds out in the second game she is devastated and tells him that he ruined her chance to make a difference and that now her life means nothing. He was SELFISH plain and simple.
@Andy D when Ellie finds out in the second game, she's also no longer 14 years old and has spent years living a good life in Jackson, thus making her actually apt to choose. As a traumatized kid, she was not. It's very simple actually, and it's why guardians and parents are the ones to authorize when a child needs invasive or risky procedures like surgery that could result in death. It's why relationships between a 16 year old and 26 year old will always creep people out, no matter how much the teen might "consent to it". It's why age of consent exists in the first place.Their brains simply don't process stuff the way an adult's one does. Plus, she was never given a choice either way and a "third option" of what would've been, so of course she will always fault Joel as long as she's breathing and ALIVE. There is no "um, I wonder if Ellie would be happy if Joel had left her there to save humanity" because she would've been dead. Marlene took her the choice and Joel kept it that way. So the only way she gets to marinate on this alive is knowing that to save her from getting killed unbeknownst to her, Joel had to kill dozens of people. That's the only way she'll ever see it. But it doesn't matter if her answer would've changed from when she was 14 or remained the same. She simply wasn't the one to make that call because that is a child.
I don't think the infected would eat a giraffe. The whole purpose of the cordyceps is to spread. The infected wouldn't even try to spread with other species unless there is a shortage of humans. That's when they will seek out new hosts.
The classic Trolley Problem. Marlene makes her decision as a leader to save as many as she can save. Joel makes his decision as a father to save the one he loves. Either way, both took Ellie's agency away even though she probably would have chosen to go through with the surgery. Ellie was keeping a ledger of people she lost along the way. She wanted all those deaths and all the good and terrible things that happened to her to mean something. Joel knows this, and it's probably why he lies to her. Ellie knows Joel well by now; she already knows he's lying about what really happened. This lie will poison their relationship. Should Ellie learn the truth, I don't think she will forgive him for it.
Thank you for such great reactions to the series!❤😊
This season was amazing and damn those 9 weeks just flew by. I can’t wait for season 2 in 2024 or early 2025.
This season was perfect. I can’t wait to see what happens in the rest of the story.
this episode was so powerful and emotional.
This caused some major moral dilemmas for sure! Great reaction as always & im looking forward to the coming months with TONS of content for us to get into :D!
The way that ellie's voice actor looks so much like bella to the point I was tripping, thinking they made bella look older and got her to play her mom!
Ya, they both have long faces/similar proportion of nose to mouth to chin. I think they even sound similar, which is weird!
‘Im not gonna talk, gonna stay quiet’….proceeds to talk constantly lol.
The giraffe was really real
When this journey started, Ellie was cargo and Joel refused to discuss his past. By the last episode, Joel shared his suicide attempt and moved heaven and earth to save Ellie - so much for cargo!
I read that the giraffes were actually real. They used CGI for the background but the giraffes were ones they went to see at the Caliguiri Zoo which is awesome.
I don't think putting the choice to Ellie actually solves anything. There's a reason we don't let 14 year olds make life and death decisions or sign contracts - they aren’t experienced enough nor do they have the emotional maturity to fully understand the consequences of those decisions. Ellie is more mature than the average, but she is not in a place to be making life or death decisions for herself. She’s traumatized and depressed, and blames herself for all the deaths that have taken place around her. She would be in no fit state to make such a decision even if she were an adult. At this point, Joel is the closest thing she has to a guardian so yes, it was his decision to make.
Lying to her afterwords? That's a whole other question.
I love this take so much
I love all the voice actors from the game in the show Ashley Johnson steal this opening scene 🥺😭
I've read other comments about people saying that this was the moment that Joel became a villain, but I think of him as an anti-hero and he has the traits
They tend to make selfish decisions and don't care about the consequences
They may be fighting for what they believe is a noble cause, but their methods are often questionable
They rebel against authority figures and society
They're self-destructive or anti-social
They have a cynical outlook on the world around them
They have a troubled past that haunts them
And as a father, I would have made the same decision. It's ironic that Marlene told him that It wasn't his choice to make when they never gave Ellie the choice, even though I believe she would have said yes. I started watching the series with no knowledge of what happened in the game. I don't know anyone who plays it so there was no source material for me to even know about and I'm glad. I've enjoyed it since episode 1. It was a great season and I want to say from a walking dead fan, this surpass the walking Dead
i would love hbo to do a twd clementine video game into a show
I thought the giraffe was fake, too. But behind the scenes photos showed it was in fact the real animal.
A bit late to the party here guys, but do Marlene and the doctor even know HOW Ellie is immune? How can they just plan to do brain surgery without even knowing whether there is mutant fungus in her brain??
They never really know truly since that doctor was killed.
The doctor had to be some type of specialist & maybe their assumption/ diagnosis is that the fungus rely's on attacking the brain 🧠 to take control as well as creating the hive mentality thru the brain 🧠
That's what I was thinking but I'm no doctor or specialist on cordyceps or mushrooms.....
Only nit pick is they didn't have ellie line after listing those that have died she says "I'm still waiting for my turn" which I feel like really hammered home that ellie would have chosen to die.
HIHI GUYS THATS A REAL GIRAFE THEY SHARED A PIC OF BEHIND THE SCENES :3 IM GONNA MISS THIS SHOW AND CHARACTERS AND ACTORS SO MUCH UGH cant wait for s2 and excited for casting for characters for s2
Great season finale. I cried thru the whole thing until bmf Joel stormed the hospital. What a great show.
Full out Rick Grimes mode. Fucking loved this show.
I fuckin love Joel man.. man is a beast.. he got enough kills for a UAV
Ellie knows that Joel is lying, and she knows that Joel did something terrible, but she decided to believe the lie to keep Joel in her life.
I think its the knife, she killed the infected with the knife she used to cut the umbilical cord.
Yes, the Giraffe is a 13 year old male from the Calgary zoo
I don't think the fireflies ever intended giving Ellie a choice. Which is why they didn't tell her. If they did and she refused they would have drugged her and done it anyway because nothing else mattered to them. This whole thing though didn't sit right with me. How did the Dr. come to that conclusion without fully examining Ellie? Who was he? Was this his expertise? And why do you need the whole brain? You only need a small piece of tissue to make millions of copies of cells. You couldn't get it through brain or spinal fluid? I don't think the doctor knew what he was getting into so that's why he just wanted to kill her and take it all. Lol!
This season was so amazing! Loved every moment of it! It’s probably the best video game to tv series adaptation.
After the hospital, I do not trust Marlene, Joel was right to stop them
Man!!! I can’t wait for part 2!!!!!❤❤
Wasn't knife infected after killing?
I love that there were 4 almost identical comments about giraffe hahaha
Loved the finale. Loved the season too. Excited for season 2 and ready to see how it's going to play out when Ellie finds out the truth about the hospital.
Is it me or was there a"Giraffe"? Rare Animal to see 20 yrs into and pandemic. Lol
Great question, there’s actually high chance you’ll find out in Season 2 more about it (won’t spoil anything tho)
Fun fact those are real giraffes
The giraffe 🦒 was real lol y’all saying it’s CGI though
Tommy’s right about Joel.
As I have had time to think about it, I think the writers knew all of us who work in research would be yelling at the tv, "You don't have to kill her! This makes no sense!" I'm wondering if this was the point of it all. Imagine if Eugene would have continued with the deception and they had gotten him all the way to D.C to a NIH lab. What would he have done? He seemed smart enough. Everyone would've taken his word for it. And if he'd never come up with a cure, "Oh well that's science.' Lol!
Yeah..the Giraffe was real...they posted about it in a article I saw and now they have it on UA-cam how this scene was shot. They got to feed a real Giraffe and behind it was a blue screen but the others walking in that baseball field, I would bet to say of course are CGI...
Would love to live stream the game when he plays .
Great reaction. I wish you had included the part where Ellie says” I get it, time heals all wounds.” And Joel says “ It wasn’t time. “ The look on Ellie’s face as she slowly digests this is perfection. She may be the cure for all humanity but for Joel, she is the personal healing he has needed since he lost his daughter. He loves her and he is not going to let her go now that he’s finally found peace again.
Damn yeah I miss that. With editing sometimes it doesn’t like long scenes in a row. HBO can get picky with copyright!
@@NocBroNation I get it. I just like seeing you guys cry like me! 😂 Seriously though, you guys are my favorite reactors bc I feel like I’m watching with my friends.
great episode, very good show
Amazing show , only nitpick I have is that they ignored and left out ALOT of great “infected” scenes. There really wasn’t much infected at all. I wanted more in that department along with more of the world or apocalypse itself. Idk it felt pretty rushed but that’s prolly only cuz I’ve played the game I suppose and didn’t go in clueless. Regardless - solid 8/10
Marlene's big fuck-up in the series was to not give Ellie a choice. We know that Ellie would have chosen to sacrifice herself and she would have been the ONLY one who could have talked Joel into letting her go.
After that, there would have been only one person Joel would have been a danger to, himself. I don't think he could have lost a daughter twice and kept going.
Great series great reaction guys, selfishness versus selflessness, they both needed to let Ellie make the decision it was up to her not anyone else..
Did you guys spot Abby. She's one of the nurses in the hospital. I missed it but other ppl caught it
It’s not confirmed but I like to think that it was def Abby or Owen
I wish they had just gone back to tommys….live a nice happy life in jackson, nobody going after them.
Season 1 was great ! They did cut out a lot of infected and human fighting
Season 2 will be interesting...the showrunners did say they DID change some things. Will be fascinating to see how much they change things.
I hope they change a lot because the second game's story was terrible.
@@motherfudger6664 we found an Abby hater 😂
What an epic end to the season!!
I love Bella Ramsey as Ellie and This series is a masterpiece I can’t wait for season 2 I loved part 2 last of us 2 game and I love the casting locations and the emotions the cast a d producers of the game and show bring too show Neil and naughty dog have nailed this season and I can’t wait for season 2 everybody hated part 2 but I really loved part 2
We see with Sam and with Bill that they cannot live once they lose the person who gave them purpose. Joel could have not continued with life if he had lost Ellie. He had to do what he had to do. I understand it and would probs done the same. Bill said in his letter to Joel god help any mofos who stand in their way and we now saw the brutality he was known for.
F.Y.I. - The nurse on the right side of Ellie is actually the voice actor for a very important character in part II of the game.
Joel shouldnt have lied to ellie….she’s too smart for that. Gonna bite him in the ass.
I love this show its my second favorite game my only issue is this world seems way more safe then the walking dead no infected really why would they need a cure I understand it more in the game but if people haven't played the game it would feel totally unnecessary to kill her for the cure needs more danger I hope they fix that in the 2nd season
The Last of Us Season 2 is going to be a hole in one for Joel. That's a topical shitty pun.
Realistically saving Ellie wasnt worth dooming humanity but Joel didnt care lol.
Facts, but the way the fireflies were handling their one and only immune patient in 20 years made me severely doubt their aptitude to the task to be honest lol. Killing your only immune specimen on the very day you get access to them without exhausting all the alternatives first like blood, bone marrow, tissue and etc just seems like an incredibly stupid way to fuck up your one chance at getting anywhere near a vaccine. Not that it mattered to Joel's decision at all because he didn't gave a damn about the world, but still
@@blurrylinesx8039omg spitting factsssssss I never thought about how dumb that is haha
As someone who hasn’t played any of the games, this show was incredible. I cannot wait for season 2.
Buy the game! You won’t regret it
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