Patria Pasi | The Finnish battle taxi that defies the time
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- Опубліковано 25 чер 2024
- We are investigating the Patria Pasi (Sisu Pasi), a battle taxi with a simple structure, low production and maintenance costs, high mobility and fair ballistic protection. #Pasi #armouredvehicle #xa180
We especially thank the Satunnaista sotilashistoriaa channel for kindly helping us with this video. If you want to learn little-known stories about the history of the Finnish Defense Forces, don't miss Satunnaista sotilashistoriaa.
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Why did Finland develop an indigenous wheeled armoured vehicle?
Which features make the Pasi one of the best in its class?
What are the differences between the Pasi's variants?
Does the Pasi have a successful combat career?
00:00 Introduction
01:13 Historical background
02:16 Programme history
02:44 Design
07:15 Specifications
08:10 Variants (XA-181 - Ilmatorjuntaohjus 90M - ItO 90M / Maalinosoitustutka 87M - MOSTKA 87M / XA-180EST / XA-186 / XA-188 / XA-202 / XA-203 / Pansarterrängbil 202 / Pansarterrängbil 203 / XA-203N)
11:46 Users
12:00 Combat experinces
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It was fun as always to co-operate with you. It bring me back lot of good memories.
I disagree on one thing: Peacekeeping missions are not automatically boring, they can be exiting adventures. But that's a story for another day.
I like which photo of me you chose for the video. I used to be young and handsome, today I am just "and".
The latest news was the Ukrainian military report: "the Finnish armored personnel carrier (Pasi) XA-180 withstood 3 anti-tank mines until it stopped, the crew survived." June, 2023
That's quite cool
You believe in Santa Claus also, I bet...
@@mirandela777 your point?
@@TheRealTekki - ok, allow me to show some light for you: you believe the UKr BS, the Ghost of Kiev story, and sure, in Santa 🤣... you must be terrible naive or an idiot to believe all the BS the ukies say...
@@mirandela777 What?
@@mirandela777 I guess you do because I've seen you defending Russian vehicles (yes, the same Russian vehicles that explodes for no reason)
That Musti-Pasi was difficult to load, too front heavy when unloaded, didn't have safety and was bolted together from salvage and spares. Mainly made because there was nothing better to do and IDF tanks tried to horse around. And apparently the tube was respected by the locals, so they wouldn't want to f around and find out. It calmed down a lot of situations. It was test fired couple times, while locals were invited to watch. -heard from a guy that was there.
I was so sad to see Ukranian using our Pasis as frontline vehicles which it is not designed to be. Even our military commanders commented on this misuse.
A stick is better than no stick. So also is the old Pasi better than a completely unarmored transport vehicle. So far the Pasis in Ukraine have saved the lives of the crews, so it's still doing the job it was made for. One even hit 3 AT mines and the crew survived.
Ukrainian military is using humvees on the frontline, surely a Pasi would be a better alternative.
Needs must. light armor is better than no armor. I'm sure none of the people doing that are doing it out of "well this is good use for this", but instead of "the shit hit the fan, we need reinforcements to the front/ need to deliver munitions to the front/ need to evacuate from the front/ need mechanized vehicle at front. It's either that Pasi there or we try crossing that open field on foot running. It's a shit show, but well yeah... it's a shit show, driver, drive like hell."
@@EggwardEgghands Using Pasi in direct firefight is not the optimal way to use it. But that is very true that "you fight with army you have, not the aemy you wish."
It shows true fighting spirit to drive frontal fight with Pasi!
@@SatunnaistasotilashistoriaaThe man himself. 🇫🇮
I used this APC in 1988 first. We loved it; it’s roomy inside, fast on roads, and offers good protection. We had lots of fun with it, including organizing illegal street races with the French troops. The French VAB didn’t stand a chance. I also used this APC in IFOR, SFOR, KFOR, but due to the increased threat, those APCs were up armored as well as fitted with heavy machine gun (in turrets) in addition to the GPMG and the SAW.
The XA-186 have good room inside. Our unit also had some XA-203, those have significantly less space inside since there is thicker armour and a cage around the turret. XA-186 was just a hole in the roof to the turret.
I never felt safe inside the XA-186 because the armour was just a few mm. But an XA-186 hit an IED in afghanistan where the front wheel was blown clean off, and everyone survived. It also have had rpg and machine hitting it during its life time without problems, so I have so far been proven wrong. I never experienced any such thing, I was just tarnsported comfortably around in it.
Those street races between Finnish and French APCs sound like the basis for an absolutely hilarious comedy skit! Could even be the kernel for an entire comedy series!
I drove these SISU APC whilst serving with the Irish Battalion with UNIFIL in the Lebanon. A great APC ,safe ,reliable and very very fast.
Did you drive it in water?
@edtheangler4930 no , propellers are removed on the Irish SISUs deployed in the Lebanon.
I was a gunner on the SISU for a long time.
The metal box was home for me for years.
In Afganistan and Lebanon. They worked good and withstood IED-s very nicely.
My uncle was one of the ones in charge of buying these Pasis in Rovaniemi Finland.
Patria 6x6 (Patria XA-300) is allready in production. Finland ordered 91 plus option of 70, Latvia ordered 200, Sweden ordered 20 and plans to order 400 more. Germany has joined the program and announced it plans to replace it's TPz Fuchs and M113 with Patria 6x6 and Boxer. Estonia has joined the program.
There is also 8x8 version called Patria AMV (Patria XA-360), witch has been more popular outside Baltic and Nordic countries. Finland has 80 of these, 18 with AMOS twin mortars. Poland has licence to manufacture these and they have somewhere between 1000 - 2000 of them. Sweden has 113, Croatia has 126, Slovakia has 76, Slovenia has 30 and United Arab Emirates has 55. Japan has ordered 140 of the new Patria AMV XP, witch will be manufactured in Japan by Patria Japan. Ukraine has ordered 100 + option of 100 from Polish manufacturing line, some including mortars.
Last week, Finland and Ukraine met and announced that some armored vehicles are going to be produced in Ukraine. They didnt specify witch one it was, but it could be both and continue far into future as Finland lacks production capabilities.
Sisu Auto also made a comeback with 4x4 called Sisu GTP. While they aimed to replace older Pasi, they ended up replacing South African RG-32 Scout. Finland has 3 + order of 25.
I want one with 120mm Nemo. For... hunting rabbits.
@@halko1You can't, Nemo is used only to finding fishes.
Thanks for reminding me what that Sisu 4x4 was called. Been wondering what was the name of that Sisu 4x4 that looks like it could drive over childrens hospital. I mean look at it, that vehicle looks like it's ready to do the Kool-Aid "Oh yeah" and come through the concrete wall with force.
@@GrumpyGremlin. GTP comes from G-Series Transport Protected, if it makes it easier to remember.
However, that description fits to Protlab Misu, witch was 3rd option that didnt get picked. Originally known as Protolab PMPV (Protected Multipurpose Vehicle), but nicknamed "MiSu" from Miina Suojattu, Mine Protected.
Ireland is due to change its mowag piranhas soon , and if that could be combined with getting rid of the useless rg32 s that'd probably sweeten the deal ,
I don't know why they didnt get sisu in the first place ..
Pretty badass vehicles. I helped the driver of one of these in my platoon do regular maintenance on it and it was so funny when he pulled out the torque wrench for tightening the wheel bolts, the thing was almost as long as I was tall and weighed probably 25+kg. Torqueing it to the required spec required you to basically hang on the wrench with all your weight until it clicked. It was my only experience during my military service in Sweden with a larger, tougher vehicle, so it was a lot of fun to work on it with the driver. In my platoon it was used, just like you said in the video as a command vehicle. In this case it transported the most important battalion HQ staff members and could act as a mobile command/batallion HQ with communications when in transport and regrouping the "real" command posts. It can even service as a generator. One time our main diesel generator for battalion HQ failed and the driver said "I'll fix it", powered up the vehicle as a generator, plugged the main cables into the vehicle and voila! Batallion HQ now had power to do their job again. Fantastic vehicle.
Pasi's simply look good. I had a pleasure of seeing these things up close during my service in finnish infantry!
Satunnaista Sotahistoriaa could be translated to be 'Casual/Random/Arbitrary War History'.
We appreciate your effort to try pronounce our language though :D
im not sure he even tried, no hate though i dont really care
For me the first part sounded like he was saying "Saatana", (Satan).
"Saatanan sotahistoriaa" sounds like "once again this fucking bullshit war history" and it sounds fair but I prefer more traditional and deep ei nto Finnish macig system going "Vitun sotahistoriaa"
@@KA-jm2cz Na, na. Saatanan Sotahistoria rhymes and for me it sounds like Devils War history. Tho I do get why it sounds like that for you because it could also be like so, if one took it like so. Which you did.
Also what do you think of Perkele Sotahistoria?
Arbitrary would be "mielivaltaista" not "satunnaista"... and honestly they're pretty much opposites
It truly is the best armoured taxi out there.
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@@TheDerperado Meh xa-360 only fits 3+10 while xa-185 fits 2+18
@@DuBstep115 more like 3+9. Fitting 10 soldiers with all their equipment is possible only on paper.
But you can always strap more troops on the roof!
@@TheDerperado When I was in army we fit 25 in Sisu NA-110 that's supposed to hold 18 people
@@DuBstep115 185 does NOT fit 2+18
Great video. As someone who sat for 11 months in these glorious machines, you really did the Pasi proud. Still going on even in Ukraine right now.
i really like how you put finnish patriotic music such as jääkärimarssi in this video. nice touch
I served as a XA-180M crewman and I loved that thing to bits.
Thanks for the informative video!
Super wonderful introduction of patria Pasi armor vehicles designed by Finish 🇫🇮 for its army use and its friends.. also used by peace makers of UN ...video clearly explained all characteristics of this armor vehicle ,also clearly explained its historical backgrounds with labels to several versions of this armor vehicles with few converting due to others countries desires...thank you ( weapon detective) channel for sharing
The Pasi is for wheeled APCs what the M113 is for tracked ones.
Just a simple box that gets troops from point A to point B without making a big fuss about it.
It's not a war hero, but a workhorse. And war, unfortunately, needs more of the latter than the former. There's always going to be a need for a cheap and cheerful box on wheels that can take a mine or shell fragments without combusting or perforating the crew inside. And the Pasi (and its new successor) does exactly that.
Yeah. You can have 100 work horses, 10 war heroes and 1 wünderwaffe for the same price.
M113 is not simple or cheap and Pasi has came also some kind of war hero in it's resent frontline use against orcs.
What comes to APC's, Pasi is actually quite complex vehicle. Also you can put heavy weaponry on it, making it fast and reliable support vehicle that you can drive almost anywhere you want. You can get it amphibious too.
152mm shells falling near will pop the hull in no time, let's be realist ! You need to look at the french baguette (AMX) how poor performed in Ukr - 152mm shells falling near leaded to the death of all crew...
@@mirandela777 All weapon systems can be destroyed, every single one of them. Ukraine uses the AMX bit wrong, they are tank hunters meant to be stealthy and fast vehicles, sort of shoot and scoot type of things. In Western nations our weapon systems have a specific roles while in Ukraine they don't have the luxury to use these systems only by what they are designed for.
I believe, that Polish Peacekeeping forces in Golan Heights borrowed five such vehicles from Norwegian contingent. Thank a lot for this excellent movie
We had these in the Norwegian Army (Telemark Battalion) back in the late 90s / early 2000s. They were used quite a lot in the Balkans.
Valmet's entry "PaVa" was... lackluster. It shared the drive-train with the quite strange looking six-wheeled agricultural tractor 1502 and like a tractor, had no suspension, making it quite uncomfortable on road. PaVa was of course officially Panssari-Valmet but the conscripts testing it pretty soon called it Paska-Valmet, "(a piece of) shit-Valmet". No wonder Sisu got the deal.
When I was in army in Finland our trainer told that in some un mission one pasi drove in the land mine and it blowed axel off and damaged others and 24 hours later same pasi was driving again 👌
Maybe that same insident you mentiont at video
Spectacular! As a Finn, I completely agree with this video. You did a good search process and a great video with a well made structure. Also, you pronounced "panssaroitu Sisu" very well. Love it! 🇫🇮
Pasi is amazing, it offers smooth ride and is really confy! it climbs really well! and what world tells us safe enuff, served in Finnish army around 20 years ago. and Pasi was test subject when we were bored.
It brings tear to my eye to see such thorough video of Pasi. I have a soft spot for Pasi because every Finnish soldier knows it and it gets the job done
Another highly informative and enjoyable video. Keep em coming guys 😊
Thank you WD, great video content as I've come to expect from this channel
Drivning the XA180 in Bosnia was a challenge in the summertime since it didn’t have air conditioning.
Using the XA203 in Afghanistan was a lot more comfortable. One problem with using the old PBV302 weapon station on them was that it was almost necessary to only fire forward due to the rocking of the suspension.
8:01 from my experience We stacked the pasi with 18(or more) troops more often than not.
Sisu NA-110 is supposed to hold 6+12 but I think the most we stuffed people in was 8+15
They might not be officially catalogued, but there are/have been command and battlemanagement PaSis, and also signals and electronic warfare PaSis used by the Finnish Defence Forces. I can't go into detail but can confirm that these variants do exist.
a hecking battle taxi is one of the best things i have heard this thing called lol
Even in finnish, taistelutaksi, it sounds awesome
My uncle was a "Pasi" driver. His name is Pasi.
I had the pleasure of driving xa-180 ambulance version in bosina 1999-2002 absolutly the best vehicle for the job. Sad to see them go.
Thanks for this excellent video.
Very good video thanks a lot. keep up the great work.
Brings back a lot of memories...
Excellent video!
thank you for the video
You have gotten the xa-200 series variants backwards as the 203 is the basic carrier variant and 202 is the raised roof variant for command and other special roles
Great video sir.
I live near karjalan prikaati so I get to see these guys driving around from time to time.
I was Pasi driver/commander in army 1990 and ”few” years after in peacekeeping mission in Kosovo 2005-06.
02:27 image seems to be taken in Estonia🇪🇪
Edit: Confimed! Many (non of UN ones) clips/images are taken in Estonia (many have Estonian names on them and locations are familiar to me) for others simple visual to confirm at 03:33 and how many there is in Estonia.
NB 🇪🇪♥️🇫🇮 (always)
Nice try on the Satunaista Sotilashistoriaa.
Also you forgot to add in that FInland has a signal station version of Pasi.
In 2000 I was a UN policeman in Kosovo and investigated a fatal crash between a SISU and a civilian car. The civilian tried to pass the apc on a curving hill. The apc flipped the car,rolled on top of it and rode it like a sled for about 20 meters.
The apc driver thought he’d thrown an axle. He never saw the car until he go out. The driver of the car survived and it took hours to cut him out. In the car with him and bleeding all over him was his wife, son, and mother.
Pics of this can be found online
Hard to feel sorry for a driver that try to cut a apc to be honest. Just look at that thing
I see these vehicles weekly in traffic due to my location. I would never try to cut them in a hurry, it would be so irresponsible and would possibly danger two dozen people. With his whole family in tow it was tragic but the fault sounds to be on him. It like riding in front of a semi thats coming behind yield sign, yes you can go first, but if the semi doesn't stop you are the one who dies.
@@zurielsss yes for sure. I went to interview him the next day and he wasn’t even in a cast although they said he had a broken leg. Hard to say how a man should react but, he also wasn’t distraught like I thought I would be.
He was at the hospital located on Camp Bondsteel.
@@rgriffinRETIRED_SHEEPDOGprobs got a large payout
I really like how we in the Nordic Countrys work together in defens and bye eachothers stuff.
Because you share close racial ties
Lots of climate similarities in Norway, Sweden, and Finland. This also affects terrain, even though you couldn't say climate/terrain overall would be uniform across the Nordic countries, as it's not uniform even within the individual countries. Infrastructure and the way of doing things aren't dissimilar either. All that being said, the Nordic countries also use a lot of different equipment as well.
It makes sense to use the same kind of equipment when preparing to fight a common enemy. The time has passed a few centuries ago already when the Nordic countries prepared to fight against each other first and foremost.
@@voskoff7It would be cool if that was the real motive. Consciousness about such matters is not very fashionable currently, but why not?
I really like the idea of a Nordic air force, that is about to be reality. The nordics should stick together through thick and thin, we share values and cultures in a way that few other regions do. But I have to say to @voskoff7, no. We nords are much more pragmatic than tying ourselves to some imagined "race".
As a Finnish army reservist - the Pasi has an endless list of dumb issues. But nothing beats the sight of a Pasi rolling in when you're waiting for a lift in the middle of a forest, in -35C weather, on a pitch black winter night.
Such as?
Made in Finland would be the first issue@@kk-gr3ly
@@Jinny-Wa I see, so what problems does that bring with it?
Had a lot of fun with pasi in the finnish military service.
The best thing about this vehicle is when you are in a forest and there is no road, just hit on the gas. Only 40km/h required for 60cm thick trees, to go through them
I think the latest pasis will be excellent!
Can you do a video on Norinco ZBL 09 and it's variants, specially ZTL 11? Or perhaps a separate video for ZTL 11.
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Hello! It's me, Finnish armored vehicle legend! I'm also supposed to be a reliable battle taxi!
Are you guys going to do a video on the Ot64?
I drove one of those with a radar mast on the roof when i was in the militau
These shouldnt be compared to stuff like AMV or Boxer as you get 8 6x6 Patrias for the price of 1 Patria AMV. And 20 For one boxer. They are just troop transport vehicles not combat vehicles
3:18 I want this as my daily driver just to be able to hop in like that!
I would like to have one. It would make a cool campervan for me :-)
Can you do the Cadillac Gage Commando next?
0:48 would like to note that Oy at the end of a company name is not a word. It's an acronym for Osakeyhtiö which means that the company is publicly traded. While it's officially part of the company's name and will show up in all official documentation, it's usually not mentioned in speech and definitely not pronounced as a single word. That would be kind of like calling FBI the Fbi.
'Battle taxi has me cracking, since the Finnish translation alliterates perfectly. 'Taistelutaksi' 😂😂
Getting coffee from gas station or some fast food/supplies whilst driving Pasi was always fun 😂
My Winter Car looking good
my favorite taxi
not a LAV III Kodiak ( General Dynamics Land Systems - Canada), but still a damn fine 'war-horse'. tyvm for another upload
You are right, it is not LAV III Kodiak, LAV has thinner armour, less power per per tonne engine, not amphibious... LAV gets beaten on pretty much every metric by this decade older model...
Not to talk about the newer AX-360
woow..you read a lot more in that than i intended😁@@JuisSekasi
The best bus to battle.
Trying to suppress my inner 12 year old when he said: *We're investigating the Pasi*
Background Music : Jakkari Marsi
its Jääkärimarssi :P
Drove around in one of these in Afghanistan in 2005/2006 it was a good vehicle.
Great video, but the word stress of the speker is all wrong?
I was a Musti loader .
They make mistakes nowadays. They replace the good old stuff with newer too complex ones. Too much electronics. The good old, Pasi, Rasi (6x6 truck) and Masi (4x4 truck) are the real deals. I´d take those to war any day. I spent a year in the trucks driving and training new conscripts.
just add a shield from small arms fire on the rasis and I don't mind sitting in them. just the thought that a machine gun can cut through half a plutoon due to it only being a tarp is retarded, even a 4-5mm steel plate on the sides would do wonders.
Plus ukrainians are unfortunately using pasis like assault vehicles when they should not use these for example as a protection from firing. Maybe it is because of bad training but I makes vehicle losses bigger.
It's because they don't have much else. Better to do that with Pasi, than by foot, Japanese pickup or even Humvee.
There has been 2 confirmed destroyed Pasi's in Ukraine so far, first blew up with IED and another took 3 mines before it couldn't move anymore. Also depending on what weapon system it has, it is used as infrantry support vehicle too, as it is designed for that purpose also.
i was in the finnish army in 1998 and we just used bikes and military lorries to get around. never got to ride in a pasi.
but i remember a pasi driver telling me a bus had hit the pasi and the bus was totaled. nothing at all happened to the pasi. not even a scratch
which is no surpeise of course but just something i remembered
though i bet if a bus hits a hummer the hummer will be the one totaled
I have to correct, all finnish pasi's have a wire cutter and the xa202 is used as command post
I remember all of our pasi crews having back problems when I did my service early 2000s.
I havent been inside a pasi or dont know their training but I assume they were not driving around in them 24/7 for 12 months. Wouldnt be surprised if they already had back issues and the army service time made things worse.
My back issues got worse when I was assinged a mt-lb. It got so bad that I would rather stand where the top hatches were, rather than sit down on the church benches below.
@@itseperkele181 Apparently the crew seats didn´t give good support for lower back when riding on bad roads. At least our driver said something to that extent. I was just one of the dismounts so i don´t have any experience myself.
@@henrihamalainen300I hope that they fixed this in the new vehicle. Crew comfort is an important part of a vehicle after all.
Imagine the back problems in a BMP or a BTR then.
@@henrihamalainen300 honestly, poor drivers. as if infantry life is easier, carrying sometimes up to 40kg of equipment an entire day. I suppose just sitting around driving all day makes the muscles softer though.
yes.
There should be test if it can go on moving with 3+2 wheels when one blow off from tankmine. If so then its good.
I think it was good to state where we have sold Pasi. And who has them. Russia has only 1. They captured it in Ukraine. We dont sell to the enemy.
It reminds me of our tpz fuchs
This video is my first exposure to this type of vehicle. It seems to me that because it runs on tires it would be extremely vulnerable. Can someone explain why this does not seem to be the case according to the video and the comments?
we had PaVa in Keuruu 1984/85, it didnt work, always broken. Panssari Valmet, armored Valmet.
those vitun army bycycles and tractor ride in the forest are familiar .suksikaa vittuun kapiaiset.
Ah yes, good old Pasi. Even thought i don't know much about military vehicles, as a Finn i know this one at least 😂
I love the video of a Merkava pushing a peacekeeping Pasi into a ditch. The driver just comments something to the effect of, "The f is wrong with these Jews!"
When the window shutters are down...its also known as "uWu-taxi".
I'd have hypothetical question for those who knows Pasi's better than I. My only experience with them is on the traffic and when I was a kid, a tour in one in gunner hole with disabled machine gun.
Since from southern Finland to west there's tons of islands which leads to Åland bit further on the sea, would it be plausible to advance from a coastal Finland to Åland with Pasi if there were enough checkpoints to refuel them on those islands?
Makes no sense, I guess in theory the final strech part could be made at snail speed if landing sites were secure. They'd be sitting ducks lol. I'd rather be in a real amphibious landing vehicle that moves fast in water. I've seen pictures of big ones with fans that Finland has but haven't seen one live yet.
@@Kimmobiino It wouldn't make sense if the purpose was to get there as a military force, my question was purely hypothetical on it's capabilities to do so. 😅
Patria Amv has dedicated place for skis? What's next, an armored Sauna on wheels?😅
Not a bad idea, there were shit ton of portable saunas during last wars, mainly to kill the fleas, but it is a nice moral boost and keeps you clean.
I miss my 675-347
Panssari Sisu is really great
Awesome APC but damn you get sleepy in the back
nice thanks from finland and using satunaista sotilashistoriaa there was and accident whit a pasi tried to go on water and it was not water thight it killed 7 it happend on 14.6.91 in Taipalsaari
INCORRECT. Accident happened to Russian made BTR-60 not to Pasi.
How about vids about North Korea military vehicles/systems?
I second this request, it would be very interesting.. assuming any information is available
love APC's like Pasi; simple boxy shape, no fancy gimmicks, reliable and can be converted to just about any role.
the dutch army was not satisfied with these vehicles, armour too light(but that is a choice) and, surprisingly to me, they had trouble in Afghanistan with the dust! the army bought the Bushmaster to replace them.
Interesting to hear, I personally have't heard any problems with them under Finnish usage in Afghanistan.
Perhaps they did what SA for example did, they ordered lighter and cheaper version of it that is based on the original vehicle.
My dad has driven a pasi in army im from YOU GUESSED IT FINLAND
But is it environmentally friendly? Where's the plug-in hybrid version?
Lol😊
Latvia has production line for Patria and uses them
Can it survive anti tank mine?
Looks a bit like a troop version of the Alvis Stalwart
i think gamespy wants their logo back man