Yes for sure, but not quite like the GaoKao. Also, having lived most of my life in Japan, you see everywhere baseball fields where small children play baseball in intense training camps. There is also a deeprooted passion and love for baseball, as even high school national championships get enormous attendance and TV coverage - kind of like March Madness for us. These are cultural elements that China does not have.
@@williamanstey5933japanese are decent people who respect each other. China is a selfish shit show of a country. Its no surprise China sucks at working together. Dishonesty and screwing each over is part of life.
I work in China as football coach with kids, I think one of their issues is that they are very individualistic. It is hard to fight against that and make them play for the team instead of for themselves.
I have to wonder if this is a second or third order effect of the decades of the one child policy? After all, the first team you are on is your family. Hard to be a team of one.
@@luddite4change449 Nah... PRC's Mens football were ascending in the 1980s; so did their Men's volleyball in the 1990s; and their Women's hockey & ice hockey in the 2K and '90s ...
@@peekaboopeekaboo1165 Good point, but hose players in the 80s and 90s were not born during the era of the one child policy, and even the players of the early 2000s were the first generation to reach adulthood. I'm wondering if this could be impact of a cumulative effect.
@@luddite4change449 it could be one factor, boys are treated like little prince, very spoiled, the girls not that much. But it is also because Chinese society is actually very individualistic and family centered, everybody outside the nuclear family is a stranger, and there are few to none empathy.
I visited a chinese school a few years ago and was kinda shocked at everything. They had stunning sports facilities with a massive badminton hall and a full size soccer pitch as well as basketball courts on the roof of the school. Bear in mind, this was downtown Beijing so it was all very impressive. Throughout the day they played lots of sports so calling out their lack of time for sports is just BS. However, following a student assigned to me throughout the day i really notized how different going to school in China is compared to Denmark where i'm from. There was absolutely NO team/group work or time for thinking or reflection for any of the students when they had classes. The teacher would just talk and write down on the chalkboard whilst students took notes. I observed math, english and some kind of writing class. It was all the same. I asked my student if it was normal and she said it was like that every day. From my small experience, i got a feeling that China are raising kids who are like robots and i think their society also reflects this in many ways. How can they do team sports if they have never been taught how to work together as a team?
I hate tribalism, and I don't even prefer China over other country. However, I don't think team/group work is a good thing before college. I was in China before high school and then studied in US since high school. I hated group project in US high school. It just doesn't really make sense. For simple things pre college, it is almost always better (for everyone) if the best student just do the group project alone. Only when there is a large and complex enough project, is team work useful. Team work in pre college US educational institutions, didn't really teach, at least, me any non-trivial thing about teamwork. Also I don't even think Chinese are worse in team work compared to other countries. Making a decent complex beurocracy needs a lot of team work. The Chinses government is one of very few complex beurocracy that is okay at providing well being to its citizen. Most government with this level of authoritarianism failed miserably, and most well functioning government like those in western countries, don't have the complexity of chinese beurocracy. My guess why China is bad at team sport, is that: China doesn't like fun, but try hard in developing sports in a non-fun and non-spontaneous way. China is good at sports that most people don't find as fun naturally or just won't train very hard in spontaneous way. For instance, China's women weightlift is good because most women don't naturally want to lift very hardcore. China is good at diving (jumping from high platform into water) because most people don't train it hardcore spnotaneously. China is good professional Gymnastics Shooting because people don't like to train them hardcore sponotaneously. Sports like baseball, basketball, soccer, are just more fun to people by baseline. Countries like Japan and US developed industry from those sports from high school, college, to professional level. China, on the other hand, are making kids to study more instead of doing fun things. Chinese government centrally allocate resources to train some kids in a very specialized and hardcore way for them to win gold medels. This work well for sports that people don't enjoy doing, but it works badly in sports when other countries have kids doing fun sports and training sponteneously (and developping collegial industry over the fun sport).
"or time for thinking or reflection for any of the students when they had classes" There might be some kernel of truth to this... but it is hard to tell. Chinese kids still think a lot... despite tighter schedule. Also having more play time doesn't really allow more time for reflection or thinking. I do think Chinese kids do way less things they are passionate about. American kids would participate in robotic team that don't directly link to their scores. Doing those passion projects will teach a kids way more about programing, electronics, than they will ever learn in a typical class. Chinese kids don't tend to participate in such "useless" extracurricular activities because only their standardized exam score matters.. and they are very tryhard in only doing things that are "useful". American kids do those extracurricular activities because they are less try hard, and that their extracurricular activities are somewhat valued in their college admission. By the way, doing a project in robotics team do teach team work in a non-trivial way... it's because those projects are passion projects. They are not part of the school program where the goodness of the final product would be valued above all else.
I’d say there is a deeper cultural reason related to the educational style that bleeds into attitudes around sports. Negative feedback might work in education and ends up producing kids who get all 100 questions right to avoid having to answer for the one or two wrong answers. In sports, you can’t take this approach with a goalkeeper, batter, or three point shooter and expect the team dynamic to stay strong. I work in a Chinese school that focuses on sports, and I see talented footballers blame their teammates for not receiving a pass. Coaches lay into goalkeepers during the game. In Europe, the culture of team sports is more focused on relieving pressure from teammates so they can play more naturally, not looking to blame them. “You’d better not make a mistake” doesn’t work as well as “let’s play well” in team sports.
Sabotages as well...by foreign coaches / trainers. Most glaring is Men's basketball...past and present. Even the Serbs are cajoled or coerced into becoming saboteurs. Chinese excell in Women's volleyball - basketball - softball - water polo - rugby - football - synchronized swimming - rowing & kayaking - sprint relay race ... also in 3x3 basketball along with the Men's
There is also a recent story about the dopping agency allowing 23 Chinese athletes who tested positive for steroids to compete at the last Olympics, and kept it secret
Yeah, you know why they still let the Chinese athletes compete even tho they got tested positive for doping? Because they know even with PED's and all these advantages, they still won't win.
I had a Chinese friend who was in the soccer training camp, he has a big passion for the game and his parents were Palace fan (most likely due to Fan Zhiyi). He said one of the problem he found in the state training camp was no one wanted to be there, lots of students were they because they don’t wanna study. The training are very static and using old format like teaching Fundamentals of the game just doesn’t work. But however when he trained with BSU, there’s a sense of light.
I also coach Chinese students in China but not in a Chinese school setting. My students really enjoy playing and are very creative. I think it helps that my training and session focuses less on the fundamentals and more on patterns of plays and small sided games.
There are two things that facilitated China’s lack of team mentality: First, the One Child policy. China forcibly restricted parents to have only one child from 1978 to 2016. This meant the kid was raised to become the best, and teamwork mentality vanished. This has a disastrous impact in China’s team sport development. Second, poor design of education system. Chinese education system is designed to restrict, not to be flexible like in South Korea and Japan, both are similar to China in term of harsh education. However, South Korea and Japan have been able to design their education curriculums to navigate and enable young people to embrace sports if they are not academically blessing, something China failed to do so.
@@obsidianstatuemost humans have to learn to share or coexist or compromise with their siblings one of the beautiful things of growing up. Also that fighting usually disappears when you move out. You also learn to cope with being their for family even when they make you mad or dislike them. Something useful in a team setting.
@@obsidianstatuealso the attention in china probably is really high if you’re raised to be the only child and succeed significantly… you don’t have the choice to be mediocre and that means constant single competition between other peers.
@@obsidianstatue Anyone who actually have siblings know that "fighting" is only the surface part of a sibling relationship. Sibling fights only strengthen family bonds. When things get serious and times get rough they fight the world for each other. Example: Try telling your best friend that you want to date his sister and see how long your friendship lasts.
My question is, why don't South Korea and Japan have the same problems with education hindering their sports development. Im not incredibly informed about the specifics but doesn't all 3 of those countries largely focus on education
I believe Japan specifically is a team sport powerhouse because of their culture. Japanese culture generally values excellence in any activity or discipline a person is involved in. Whether it be education, innovation, entertainment, or athletics
@@presseagainidareyou4704 very true plus cooperation and teamwork is a huge aspect of their culture. It might be why we have seen many Japanese weightlifters or (native born) Japanese boxers but they’re amazing at sports like baseball and soccer
As a Chinese person myself, I would say that even though Chinese people *say* they are all about the team, company, family, etc., at the end of the day, they are all very cutthroat, and all about themselves. Japanese, on the other hand, really do put the collective efforts of the group first. No one gets individual accolades. Even someone like Ohtani praises his teammates, and downplays his own accomplishments.
It's also about priority. Team sports take much larger investment while still worth only same 1 gold Olympic medal. Priority is given to individual sports the
That’s just wrong. Because the more money you put into the more you get from it too through sponsorships, players sales and shirt sales which is more than ‘1 gold Olympic medal’
But that can't be the explanation since as the video says, China has invested mammoth amounts of money into (men's) soccer but has had very little success.
Chinese women’s teams have traditionally been quite competitive - there was a film made in 2020 called Leap based on the women’s national volleyball team. The coach Lang Ping is very famous for coaching both the Chinese national team and the US National team. The national football team has a storied history too.
Do you think maybe the Chinese culture is less cooperative, more back stabbby, more selfish than other cultures so individual sports do better than team sports?
Thats the same stereoyype against Chinese in South East Asia....they also avoid yeam sports and exclide other races..they believe foe example that only Chinese can play badmintoj but trends of badminton champions show many excellent badminton players from Europe, India and Indonesia.
i worked in business that deals a lot with foreigners, and me with my boss always teach our colleagues not to trust the "mainlander" chinese folks, they're good for short term profit but they WILL backstab or do something weird with your projects or contracts
Tho from what I've spoke to some chinese ppl, they are a bit frustrated by how bad they do in football. I see them wanting to have a more competitive football team.
At one point China’s women’s soccer team was one of the best in the world. They managed to draw with the US in 1999 before losing in penalties. The government funded them well and they were the first Women’s World Cup host. Now they can’t escape the group stage.
Guy kind of drops the ball at the end. Chinese kids are too busy studying? Not the strongest conclusion. That's like what the Chinese government would say.
Yeah, big lol the video was meant to explain a lack of high level team sports athletes and he just goes on about how apparentlery every kid in china is too busying wanting to be a doctor or something
I agree. I also don't think it's admirable that children are made to study almost all day and are given very little opportunity to pursue their passions (unless they are picked out of a lineup for being flexible or having long arms/optimal bone density lmao). I'm sure the diminishing returns on studying all day are massive, the human brain simply isn't equipped to learn in that manner. You have to have a culture in which kids are encouraged to 1) try new things, and 2) pursue the things they love and aim for excellence in those pursuits.
@@Tomtomtomtomtomtomtom75kg But that's the reality. Chinese put education above sports. That's how they've been able to output 4.7 million STEM graduates while the US only has 437,302 STEM graduates per year.
At one point China was actually decent in women's hockey and basketball, but IIRC these are the only team sports where China actually achieved any measure of international success...
China did/do well in women team sports before other countries start applying their well-defined men's system to women. Football is a good example. China played very well in the 90s when other countries barely had women's football. When countries like Japan and England start sharing the resources they had in men's football to women, China just went downhill.
I understand that China has more hoops success in 3x3, but I never specified whether it was 3x3 or 5x5 basketball though. However, China tends to have more success in a sport if the sport flies under other countries' radars...
So no mention of the Chinese women's national volleyball team (five world cups, two world championships, and three Olympic titles), I guess it didn't fit your narrative. And have you ever thought that maybe due to the average height of Chinese people, there are not many NBA stars, as is the case for all other Asian nations?
lol your thought process is an american thing which is infact why they struggle at it(long arms do swimming, tall go play volleyball and BBall) is a stupid way to find talent. Europeans, Africans and South Americans understood the key to being good at a team sport first and foremost is understanding its fundamentals and growing a high understanding i.e IQ of the sport. Until China lets kids follow sports based on their natural instinct, love for it and a bit of luck they will continue to regress in team sport. America gets away with it cause they have a sizeable black gene pool in their population but in recent years as american sports reach international popularity they are losing a grip on it to countries like germany where both their black and white atheletes have a better understanding of bball fundamentals than americans who rely on sheer athleticism and individual brilliance(iso plays)
and the Chinese women's basketball team are current silver medallists at the world cup. This video focuses only on men's team sports and draws unsupported conclusions about China overall. And mentioning rugby, baseball and hockey is just nonsense since these sports are very new to China altogether
@@tl2245 the rigorous amount of training Chinese athletes goes though from a very early age is incomparable to others. That's why they are the best in individual sports. Hence proven hard work pays off.
This is an excellent video, minimal yapping and a good script, keep it up, I honestly didn't realize how few views it had because the quality was so high
@@Notjimmymaio You skipped the sabotages by foreign coaches/trainers ... Also forgetting the existence of sport academies ... Chinese excelled in Women's volleyball - basketball - softball - water polo - rugby - football - synchronized swimming - rowing & kayaking - sprint relay race ... also in 3x3 basketball along with the Men's
@@vijaz5559 the only teamsports the US kinda "dominate" are the sports they them self invented and have the only real league on their own soil ex; Basketball, hockey and baseball and american fotball
Women's volleyball (and to an extent, women's soccer/football, although it hasn't seen the same success as volleyball) seem to be the exception. Women's volleyball success has a deeply rooted culture and is considered a source of national pride across multiple generations.
Main reason for that is other countries lack of investment in women's sports rather than any one country doing well. It's kind of true for all women's sport.
@@saman_pradhan Nah. That's certainly not the case for women volleyball. They currently ranked 4th at Women VNL, which is the top league for women volleyball. There are 16 teams in Women VNL, which is the top league for women volleyball, below that there's a challenger cup which consist of the winner from the regional competition.
There are a lot of factors but the system is the most important in my opinion. Before their unification, East Germany won way more Olympic individual medals than West Germany. But West Germany was way better at soccer than East Germany. They are the exact same people and yet you see a big difference in results in a short period of time.
I'm Japanese, but most Japanese students aged between 12 and 18 belong to school club activities. And I think it depends on the club, but many Japanese students are passionate about club activities, and many of them put club activities before their studies. In Japanese schools, if students are tired from club activities or lack of sleep, teachers will overlook them even if they are sleeping during class. And Japanese parents are very supportive of their children being involved in club activities. I don't know much about Chinese education, but your video makes me feel that it's very different from Japanese education and their education is much more stressful.
If you are japanese, then you surely know about your absolutely toxic sports club culture, specifically the history of the human rights violating baseball culture in middle schools-high schools. People have destroyed their bodies, given up their lives and tortured by japanese sports culture as well, so I don't think its fair to say that japanese education is better in that regard.
Teamwork isn't always about being a part of a team or club. Generally a good team has people sacrificing their own ambitions so others can look better. Over the history of football (soccer) many players have been overlooked by spectators but anyone that has played with them know, they make everyone look better. It's hard to put into words because it's like air, you can't see but you feel it and when it's not there, well... everything dies
Honestly, a nation's ability to perform at team sports is quite indicative of its sociological ability at collective action. It doesn't matter if you have billions of people and millions of "the best", if they're all brought up by society to always look after their own ass above all else, to fuck over everyone else along the way just to get ahead. Such sociological attitudes are antithetical to effective labor unions (one that's an independent social corporation, not part of capital or state), bottom up social reform, or having a competent sports team.
Your correlation between the capacity for collective action and affinity for team sports is nonsensical. My country, Brazil, produces some of the best sports teams in the world and our culture is hyperindividualistic. The USA is another example. Countries with more collective-oriented thought aren't the best at mainstream team sports either (pick any south asian country and see). I honestly don't know what you're basing your correlation on.
@@arturhatwigpiper3894I think it's a combination of various factors. Brazil is one of the most passionate countries when it comes to sports, the infrastructure isn't great and society might be individualistic but the passion is there. The U.S has the best sport infrastructure in the world with some of the best genetics in the world and the weirdest and most successful tbh sports culture. China lacks pretty much everything.
well said. you hit a lot of good points! Something i think worth mentioning on this topic (and kinda relates with what you said about culture and passion, as well as that repetitive methodology) is creativity. Theres a book called Brave Dragons by Jim Yardley about when former NBA coach Bob Weiss went to coach in China and his experiences, and it shares some similar sentiments as this video. its also really really insightful while not taking itself too seriously or is overly critical, and has a lot of funny moments. its compares and contrasts a lot and also goes a lot into the history of the sport in China. Bob Weiss did an interview about the book and it was right around the time of Linsanity. He was asked about Lin and said Lin would not have made it to the level he did if he grew up in China (or Taiwan for that matter) because the game requires a level of creativity, improvisation and cleverness in the moment and as well as audacity to just do. This kind of mentality is not something post Cultural Revolution China is receptive too. He also mentions that there's something to be said about the dynamics between coach/teacher/authority and the people they are responsible for developing in a Chinese cultural context. Yao Ming is a once in a generation, brilliant talent/mind who was able to succeed at the highest level regardless of the conditions of his development.
The "creativity" angle is complete bullshit. Young European players are flat out better than young American players, precisely because they follow rigid hierarchies and authority. There's a reason any successful entity - business, academics, and sports alike - always uses rigid structures. I'll assume those comments about "creativity" is made by Yardley. Because there's no way an NBA coach would ever advocate for "creativity, improvisation, and cleverness in the moment" in early player development.
"unlike the west, chinese athletes usually emerge from the sports academy system" Newsflash but so does the rest of the world, America is unique in their system. Unless your concept of "the west" = USA than what you said makes no sense.
You know that the US has sports academies too, right? Like, not-government-run(even the US Olympic team gets 0 government funding, they have to find their own money) sports academies? Like IMG Academy, they aren't exactly a secret.
@@RyTrapp0 IMG Academy is different in that it is not government run. It is more or less profit driven. They are driven to select the best players and develop them. There is less corruption. If IMG Academy was in China, the dean of the academy would get lots of favours and bribes for parents trying to put their kids in the academy.
It is mystifying how the West continues to pigeonhole what communism in China is. The Chinese communist party is in name only, nothing communistic about them. They are communists because they want to control everything and hold on to power. The CCP only looks out for themselves and they are not expected to look out for individuals. Go to China, and you’ll see that they are more capitalistic and materialistic than the west because everyone is expected to look out for themselves.
There's a thing you didn't consider, and i would have loved to know your point of view: esports. League of legends chinese players are some of the best in the world, they're always highly competitive in international tournaments. So why teenagers are more likely to invest their time playing the game trying to be a pro player insted of a traditional sport like soccer of basketball?
Interest. It's the giant elephant in the room that this video completely ignores. It's ONLY association football and basketball that China actually tries and can't compete against the rest of the world. And the key here is interest. The teams that are good at those sports, play it religiously. And I mean that literally - association football is basically held to the same passion as religion. Interest comes first and foremost. If a Chinese kid wants to play sports, his first choice would be table tennis. Next would probably be traditional Chinese sporting activities, such as acrobatics, martial arts, or dragon boating. China actually does quite well in volleyball, as well as numerous women's sports. Because the interest internationally is much lower than that in China, and when you add in China's large population, it leads to China being dominant in those events. -- We focus on basketball and association football because the interest in China is just high enough that it garners attention. And because it's China. Nobody talks about China being bad at cricket, baseball, or field hockey, because China essentially does not play them.
One key point in Esports is that there's very minimal government involvement in selecting the players, training them, sending to games, paying, etc. You can pretty much say its more or less a free market. If esports was government run, players would be training on mindless clicking as fast as possible which does nothing to improve your playing ability.
Angola (not Angolia) has a population of 35 million and a surface area of 1.25 million sq. m2. That is more than two times the sizs of France. The country is larger than Nigeria and by no means "tiny".
I think he meant population wise it’s small, that entire country has less people than the state of California! Area wise yes everyone knows it’s massive
It's wierd cause solo sports, Olympics they are there fighting with Russia and US for the most medals but team sports... it's really bad for some reason. Also the countries name 0:37 is Angola, and doesn't really have a small population it's almost Spains population. Ofc pales when comparing to China
It also took years for america to build that intense sporting culture. Baseball has been there for 100+ years, basketball and american football took years to gain popularity. A lot of the sports you mentioned are american sports that china only recently (like basketball) or never embraced (baseball/american football).
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Japan and Korea still compete at a high level despite a highly education-centered culture and much smaller populations Japan literally just beat Germany at the last world cup
@@dinglshingle I think if China was more willing to let their players move to European clubs they would be much better off Real Madrid and Inter Milan both tried to sign their NT captain Zhang Linpeng back when he was 19 but they demanded so much money for him they backed out
@@symptomofsouls didn't know of that. only person i know played in laliga was wu lei and the chinese are quite proud that he made it there. maybe we'll see more chinese talents in the far future since there is a huge fanbase for football in China. it's just not happening in this or the coming century
Well, Badminton are still played at single or pair at one time so its still very much 1v1 or 2v2 games. China is lacking in sports where teamwork and coordination is needed. Games where you need to be aware what you teammates are doing, how individual players can fit into the whole system and how you can react as a unit in a run of play. The only exception are Dragon Boat Racing, Water Polo and Volleyball and out of those 3, Dragon boat Racing is the only sports that they can completely dominate.
Chinese women's basketball team won second place in the World Cup last year and the men's basketball team used to be No. 1 in Asia and No. 8 in the world when Yao Ming was in the team.
I will also say that shear repetition can actually hurt an athlete in a way. In team sport, especially with a ball involved, there is a level of unpredictability. No two situations are the same and every situation is unique. It takes creativity and conceptual problem solving to improvise on the fly.
Yeah, there's also the very real problem of instilling bad habits through so much repetition, as each repetition should be given immediate feedback if it is to be of any value. I'm not saying that there necessarily needs to be a coach standing there, but there has to be a way for the performer to know if the single repetition was done correctly, and if it needs to be modified. Obviously, the athlete needs to be focused and hyperaware, and challenging themselves. Mindless repetition is mindless.
i think the BIG thing here is everywhere else sports is about community and cultural identity. It does it in different ways but Japan, USA, France, Argnetina, and etc.. are all very different and some (japan) put just as much of a push in school but sports is a culture and identity in these places and they are not in China.
Well made, thanks. As a basketball fan in my 40s, I think that China is still in the Gen 1 for basketball, so let's see what will happy for Gen 2 and Gen 3.
I think a reason could be that team sports take a huge amount of effort to be good at (e.g. you need a lot of competitors, only some will actually make it) and they are very complex when it comes to cooperating and organising the sport. Also, you NEED a CULTURE of a certain team sport for it to be played! Like, people in Germany play football not because they are state sponsered programmes which tells them to do so, but because thats just what you do when you're a kid. From that pool you can always find the best.
It's culture differences. In UK, soccer is the most influential sport for centuries. Up until now, it finally became the part of their life. While in China, many youth usually prefer to go to school instead of going to the beach or amusement park. The parents always taught them to study a lot, do the exam and then graduate from college at the end of the semester. Becoming an athlete isn't fun though. It would be extremely stressful if they can't join any team or club to pursue the success in life. Not to mention about family pressure that would easily break them apart.
Funny fake news and disinformation 🤡 Chinese excelled in Women's volleyball - basketball - softball - water polo - rugby - football - synchronized swimming - rowing & kayaking - sprint relay race ... also in 3x3 basketball along with the Men's
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Always remember that Croatia with population less than 4 million people reached the final in FIFA world cup 2018 and was 3rd in 2022, despite the corruption and poor infrastructure,what he missed to mention is that the Chinese lack the fighting spirit, maybe due to the reasons he mentioned earlier, where Croatian are the spartan of football
China lacks a community spirit, not a fighting one. You can't form an army with men who care more their own status and chasing money to hand over to their family. Croatia, in contrast, despite being part of Yugoslavia, has a collective communal spirit
Soccer was a ghost sport in the US for 50 years until the NASL was created in the 70's and players like Pele, Franz Beckenbauer, George Best, Gerd Müller, Johan Cruyff, etc inspired Americans. Then you throw in the 94 World Cup and the success of the Women's team. Translation to 2024 and the US has players playing for some of the biggest clubs in the world. America has now 4th generation soccer kids playing youth soccer. No Messi or Ronaldo caliber player yet, but progress has been made. It takes decades to build a sports culture. This shift happened in the US and Japan in the 80's. Japan also co hosted the World Cup in 2002. Both are now starting to see fruits of their labor. Maybe in 3 decades China will be a top 10 nation in the world. After all they have a leader who is investing billions into the sport, but as we often see in the sport itself it starts with culture. Maybe in 2038 it is China that host the World Cup that further inspires a generation leading to a young crop of stars by the 2050's.
Well another factor for soccer growth in the US is the large influx of immigrants from Latin American countries that are crazy about this sport in recent decades. China also doesn’t have that factor
@@thomasgrabkowski8283 but only 30% of soccer fans in the US are Latino. 70% are not. While a factor, it isn't like they make up the majority. I see more and more white and black kids playing soccer these days. My town has probably gotten less Latino since the days I was in high school, yet now every elementary school has a soccer field with kids playing on it. That didn't exist in the 90's when I was in school. There is no doubt that soccer interest has grown tremendously in the US. It is actually more popular than the NHL and arguably as popular as baseball even if its domestic league (MLS) has not caught on as much yet. MLS is still the 7th most attended league in the soccer world, despite many American soccer fans not caring much about it preferring Liga MX, EPL, La Liga, Bundesliga, Serie A instead.
China has taken the steps to generate interest in Football/Soccer, its one of the sports it can do well since most Chinese are of similar physical traits to Koreans and Japanese who do qualify for the World Cup. If the real interest is generated and their system can yield results in decades. Add in some world class foreign coaches and advisors they can catch up. That said there are some sports they won’t do well as their Asian counterparts like basketball no matter how much training and development they get.
The most competitive sport is football, other sports are niche to the anglosphere or not played as much as football. Winning in soccer is the demonstration you're competitive and there is no real restriction to height or body build, anyone can play football. South america europe africa now asia all compete, if china ever gets to progress in football it demonstrates things are working out.
So they prefer individual sports over team sports. Understandable. In India people mostly prefer cricket over everything else and you can see how India struggles in Olympics despite the population but in cricket they're great
This is surprising given how obsessed China is with image. If China wants to boost their image they should focus on sports with large popularity like baseball, basketball, & soccer than table tennis… I’m just saying.
I only played Ultimate Frisbee when I was in China… in a sport where you can’t leave your feet if you have the disk, you better have good teamwork, and the local players definitely had that… 😂😂
Uruguay is like the opposite of china in that matter. Small country, two world cups, constantly produces top level players (suarez, cavani, valverde, forlan)
One of the things missed for the American and European obsession with team sports is that many were initially supported out of the goal to train officers and military men. Soccer, Rugby, and American football all started as more primative games that were often structured more like capture the flag and could involve hundreds. And the more those three sports diverged was not to degrade their use as a training tool, but instead about limiting injury or teaching different skills. Many US president's and business leaders played team sports. And even the more obscure team sports like Polo and Lecross were originated in martial traditions.
Ping-pong is not based on stiff repetition and does not require any specific body type; yet China is pretty much No.1 in the world at this sport (in both singles and doubles). Japan and South Korea also place heavy emphasis on education, but these two countries still achieve far better results in team sports than China did. The biggest problem for China in team sports is its lack of emphasis on teamwork... especially when it comes boys and young men (who are taught from a young age to compete against one another rather than to work with one another). China's women's team sports aren't great but they do far better in international competition than the men do.
Ping pong is absolutely based on stiff repetition. Yes the path of the ball and your response to it changes, but the only way to become great at ping pong is to hit a ball millions if not billions of times.
@@PlaySA If hitting a ball that can come from different directions counts as repetition, then you can say the same thing about shooting a basketball or hitting a baseball (the latter of which is much harder and requires many more hours to get right at practice than hitting a ping-pong ball). Every sport requires some repetitive practice to get the fundamentals right. What distinguishes sports such as ping-pong from diving or swimming is that there is no script to follow in ping-pong. Players don't hit the ball from a predetermined point or in a predetermined direction. They have to improvise and make decisions on the go.
Wait... 22-2? Goddamn, I've never been a proponent for mercy rules in the pros, but when a baseball team is putting up a football score, I can make an exception.
Meanwhile, USA women’s volleyball is playing for the Gold Medal against Italy in the morning. Where is China now? Losers go home, Winners play for hardware! 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
@@TanksBradley-bf8nt China won the Gold medal in Volleyball during 2016 Olympics. Also this year they won Silver Medal in Hockey and Tennis Doubles almost winning both events. China is an Ancient civilization as we Greeks we have seen so many empires rise and dissapear during the last 4000 years people should never underestimate us cause baby nations as USA will banish first.
Chinese excelled in Women's volleyball - basketball - softball - water polo - rugby - football - synchronized swimming - rowing & kayaking - sprint relay race ... also in 3x3 basketball along with the Men's
I've noticed that most of the most populous countries don't excel in sports, you don't hear much that China, India or Indonesia have won a sports tournament or championship, smaller countries like Australia, the Netherlands, or Canada stand out much more in any sport, the only populated countries that really stand out in many sports are the USA, Brazil and Japan
What are you on about, India has won the hockey World Cup equivalent and is consistently ranked as the number one cricket team on the planet. Confidence and ignorance shouldn’t be mixed together
@@thomasgrabkowski8283India has been consistently improving in individual sports. It’s just that India doesn’t enforce inhumane training on kids for the sake of “national pride” Which is not to say that the system isn’t an inefficient bureaucratic corrupt mess
Institutional knowledge from a coaching and development level with a deep athletic talent pool is the factor. China does well in some team sports like badminton and volleyball for example, and why do they do well in those sports but not basketball, baseball or association football? Some of the best development coaches in the world in badminton have worked in China. This is not true in those other sports. I think that's a much bigger factor than educational rigor or hyper-individualism from my experience. Japan, for example, is a nation with similarly high education rigor but excels at baseball and that's because Japan like its international contemporaries in baseball like the United States, South Korea, Cuba, etc, have some of the best development coaches within their borders.
How about Esports? China has been competitive in several team games. In Dota2 for example they are always considered contenders and even though they haven't won any "The International" in recent years there's always atleast 1 Chinese team in the top 4 if not top 2
Periphery vision I think. Ever walk down a road there and people don’t see you until you are nearly in front of them. That affects team sports where you are looking for subtle movements
First of all, you didn’t mention that China is a volleyball powerhouse. Is volleyball not a team sports? Also, China use to dominate basketball in Asia. And soccer/football in China continues to be a conundrum because it is one of the most popular sport in China and Chinese players have played overseas including the English Premier League. But they always underachieve in international competitions. As for baseball, baseball was never popular in mainland China like in Taiwan, Korea, and Japan. Your assessment of emphasizing education over sports is prevalent in all Asian countries and overseas Asians but in China like Korea and Japan there is an emphasis in grooming world class athletes. The problem with China is coaching and adapting to how these sports are constantly evolving. For example, in basketball they use to dominate because they just find the tallest players but they lack ingenuity and skills to develop these players further. Their pro league emphasize name recognition over player development. The CCP’s control and authoritarian tendencies have sucked out any creativity and they’re just good at copy and paste.
I played team sport in China 🇨🇳, I was on basketball team and this dude is spot on . Everyone was studying like maniacs while us, a hooper, was considered a trash just because I didn’t enjoy studying in that environment.
Yeah..mainly in the minor events... Not like basketball, volleyball,,,track n field.. Watch,,end of Olympics, usa will wind up more because of basketball and track n field
@@MikeyzFoodieLairshows how little you are paying attention. GOLD in basketball 3 vs 3, female tennis singles GOLD, Weightlighting GOLD, SWIMMING GOLD, DIVING GOLD. USA doesn’t have any gold in weightlifting, China has 3 gold medals (the Chinese are stronger than Americans). China has 5 Gold medals in shooting, USA has ZERO, which is hilarious since there are more guns in America than they are American ppl, lol. Unlike USA, China doesn’t need players of African decent to get gold or Chinese Americans either. Furthermore China does have more GOLD than USA when you include “Hong Kong China & Taipei China”
@@MikeyzFoodieLair 5 gold medals in shooting & USA has ZERO, lol. 😂. More guns in America vs total USA population & good luck trying to buy a gun in China. 3 gold medals in weightlifting, USA big ZERO. The Chinese are physically stronger than the Americans despite the fake stereotypes!
You should learn to read the title. TEAM is the operative word, and the whole point of the video. China dominates the endless variations of ping pong, badminton, and diving…. hardly global “team” sports.
Its about medal count at the Olympics & Asian Games. A team sports medal is 1 medal. Diving, Swimming, Badminton, Gymnastics, Track, Speedskating all can win multiple medals at a single games.
This video has several basic factual errors such as calling Angola “angolia” and stating china put billions of dollars into soccer in 2025 instead of 2015 just to name a few
Depends on perspective, when viewing it next to china, yes it's very small and the video was comparing the two. The landmass is comparable Alaska with a population similar to California, from an American perspective, yes, yes it is small.
If China is struggling then what is India? India perform 100 times worse across many sports and Olympics. Even in cricket they struggle to win world cups
They have won 3 world cups. And they consistently rank 1 in different formats of cricket. If you can make yourself feel better by comparing with others, rather than improving then go ahead. Most people in my area only focus on cricket and kabbadi, and we do good in both of them.
@@Skybar23 Yeah, so? How is that a counter to my point. Australia is no Egypt, Sudan or even china. They are good at cricket, infact extremely good. Sometimes India win, sometimes Australia win amongst them. That's what happens when good teams play against each other. It's not as if some weaker team came and defeated them.
@@Skybar23 I just named one sport, because it's the sport which is most followed. I also follow Kabaddi, and we are pretty good at them. For other sports, like football or basketball, it's not widely followed or watched. I don't know what happens in those sports and I don't care.
Can you please do a video on the difference in intelligence between china and the west? If china has such a large concentration on study can you please make a video about how china is different than the West. Like where are all the engineers and doctors and lawyers and what do they do in china?
the chinese doctors, I assume work at the chinese hospitals. Chinese engineers work at chinese engineering firms or possibly for the government on civic projects. Chinese lawyers work for various chinese lawfirms and comapnies. Kind of a stupid question if you ask me.
I think this is why most people see China as a military joke too. If you don't have the teamwork skills to win a sport, how are you going to organize and win a war? International sports is just peace time mostly non violent, (pending on the sport,) war in essence
I taught at a Chinese school and on my way to class I would pass by kids doing PE. It was just 40 kids practicing underhand volleyball bumps to see how long they could do it. It lasted the whole class. When I suggested they should practice sets too they had no idea what that was and thought it was some illegal move. There were courts 50 feet away from them but I never saw them actually organize into an actual game. Not once. Isn't that the point of learning the fundamentals? To actually play and have fun. It's like they were being babysat.
Lol, is like saying a doctor contribute more to society than a soldier. You really don’t understand the meaning of sport specially when it comes to representing your country. Look at the USA and Europe how great they became because of Sports, research how much the NBA Contributes to the American economy and football to the European economy. Sports is a Softpower that’s people worship those developed countries.
Well Indians do excel in one particular team sports that is cricket. Team sports are not about repetition, it's about decision making based on circumstances and mutual understanding.
@@saadbinrehman8186 'Excel' isnt the word for it. They're a 1,4 billion country. They should be dominating considering its basically the national sport.
@@attysthoughts3253 india does not have a national sport but unofficially its field hockey and not cricket. India used to dominate in field hockey in the 20th century. It still has the most Olympic gold medals. But then the international committee changed the field rules from grass to astroturf which india couldn't afford. So hockey had a big downfall in india and pakistan. But india had made new infrastructure and has improved its hockey once again. It's on world rank 3 and will get better in the future
@@attysthoughts3253 and even in cricket india kinda dominates but in a different way. Cricket has now become a game of 'who makes the most money' and not as a national sport. That is why the indian premier league makes a lot more money than the world cup.
Hey jimmy. Stumbled across your video. I really do think that a better direction for this topic would be: how does the traditional Chinese education system thwart its team-sports participation I wouldn't say that the lack of pride/passion for say..basketball and football isn't there in China. It often comes down to the system in which the two sports are in. Something for you to possibly look into as well
China does really well in 1 team sports, Dragonboat paddling. Canada & USA have tried to beat & even emulate them in multiple world competitions, but have come up short
Lack of physicality. What's the average height and weight for a young male in China? Now compare those kids to like, a Senior Highschool Football team from the American South and it's not even close. Any team sport where physicality is a part of the play is always going to be an issue
Even these Olympics they tied the US for most gold. However the sports they win at are nit impressive at all, I mean ping pong canoeing, synchronized swimming. These are sports that the US really does not care about
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I mean, the Japanese and Koreans also value education and also have their fair share of cram schools to get into university.
Yes for sure, but not quite like the GaoKao. Also, having lived most of my life in Japan, you see everywhere baseball fields where small children play baseball in intense training camps. There is also a deeprooted passion and love for baseball, as even high school national championships get enormous attendance and TV coverage - kind of like March Madness for us. These are cultural elements that China does not have.
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@@williamanstey5933japanese are decent people who respect each other. China is a selfish shit show of a country. Its no surprise China sucks at working together. Dishonesty and screwing each over is part of life.
Every country has different preferences in sport. The sport china is good at, ur country might be poor in that.
@@IamHandsome4uwumao weak for football
I work in China as football coach with kids, I think one of their issues is that they are very individualistic. It is hard to fight against that and make them play for the team instead of for themselves.
Beside the sabotages by foreign coaches / trainers...
As part of U$A anti-CCP agenda .
I have to wonder if this is a second or third order effect of the decades of the one child policy? After all, the first team you are on is your family. Hard to be a team of one.
@@luddite4change449
Nah... PRC's Mens football were ascending in the 1980s; so did their Men's volleyball in the 1990s; and their Women's hockey & ice hockey in the 2K and '90s ...
@@peekaboopeekaboo1165 Good point, but hose players in the 80s and 90s were not born during the era of the one child policy, and even the players of the early 2000s were the first generation to reach adulthood. I'm wondering if this could be impact of a cumulative effect.
@@luddite4change449 it could be one factor, boys are treated like little prince, very spoiled, the girls not that much. But it is also because Chinese society is actually very individualistic and family centered, everybody outside the nuclear family is a stranger, and there are few to none empathy.
I visited a chinese school a few years ago and was kinda shocked at everything. They had stunning sports facilities with a massive badminton hall and a full size soccer pitch as well as basketball courts on the roof of the school. Bear in mind, this was downtown Beijing so it was all very impressive. Throughout the day they played lots of sports so calling out their lack of time for sports is just BS. However, following a student assigned to me throughout the day i really notized how different going to school in China is compared to Denmark where i'm from. There was absolutely NO team/group work or time for thinking or reflection for any of the students when they had classes. The teacher would just talk and write down on the chalkboard whilst students took notes. I observed math, english and some kind of writing class. It was all the same. I asked my student if it was normal and she said it was like that every day. From my small experience, i got a feeling that China are raising kids who are like robots and i think their society also reflects this in many ways. How can they do team sports if they have never been taught how to work together as a team?
No group cohesion, nobody can form a group to overthrow the government . Simple
I hate tribalism, and I don't even prefer China over other country. However, I don't think team/group work is a good thing before college. I was in China before high school and then studied in US since high school. I hated group project in US high school. It just doesn't really make sense. For simple things pre college, it is almost always better (for everyone) if the best student just do the group project alone. Only when there is a large and complex enough project, is team work useful. Team work in pre college US educational institutions, didn't really teach, at least, me any non-trivial thing about teamwork.
Also I don't even think Chinese are worse in team work compared to other countries. Making a decent complex beurocracy needs a lot of team work. The Chinses government is one of very few complex beurocracy that is okay at providing well being to its citizen. Most government with this level of authoritarianism failed miserably, and most well functioning government like those in western countries, don't have the complexity of chinese beurocracy.
My guess why China is bad at team sport, is that: China doesn't like fun, but try hard in developing sports in a non-fun and non-spontaneous way. China is good at sports that most people don't find as fun naturally or just won't train very hard in spontaneous way. For instance, China's women weightlift is good because most women don't naturally want to lift very hardcore. China is good at diving (jumping from high platform into water) because most people don't train it hardcore spnotaneously. China is good professional Gymnastics Shooting because people don't like to train them hardcore sponotaneously.
Sports like baseball, basketball, soccer, are just more fun to people by baseline. Countries like Japan and US developed industry from those sports from high school, college, to professional level. China, on the other hand, are making kids to study more instead of doing fun things. Chinese government centrally allocate resources to train some kids in a very specialized and hardcore way for them to win gold medels. This work well for sports that people don't enjoy doing, but it works badly in sports when other countries have kids doing fun sports and training sponteneously (and developping collegial industry over the fun sport).
"or time for thinking or reflection for any of the students when they had classes"
There might be some kernel of truth to this... but it is hard to tell. Chinese kids still think a lot... despite tighter schedule. Also having more play time doesn't really allow more time for reflection or thinking.
I do think Chinese kids do way less things they are passionate about. American kids would participate in robotic team that don't directly link to their scores. Doing those passion projects will teach a kids way more about programing, electronics, than they will ever learn in a typical class.
Chinese kids don't tend to participate in such "useless" extracurricular activities because only their standardized exam score matters.. and they are very tryhard in only doing things that are "useful". American kids do those extracurricular activities because they are less try hard, and that their extracurricular activities are somewhat valued in their college admission.
By the way, doing a project in robotics team do teach team work in a non-trivial way... it's because those projects are passion projects. They are not part of the school program where the goodness of the final product would be valued above all else.
@@bohanxu6125you said hate a lot
This seems wild to me.
So the students who need help or work better with groups get left behind.
Angolia ? Do you mean Angola ?
Was about to write this
He was talking about Asia so maybe he meant Mongolia
@@abushook8626no, look at 0:45..it’s the Angolan flag. He meant Angola.
No. He means Angolia, a tiny country found just north of Nambia 😐
@@VukaniMde Angola is in no way "tiny" And "Angolia" isnt how it's name is pronounced either if you speak portuguese or english
"I don't know anything about Angola, but Angola's in trouble"
ANGOLIA 💀💀💀
@@RespecTheLevYT what?
@@RespecTheLevYTsmall country of 35 million people 💀
@@RespecTheLevYT Agnolia. It's allied with Sordland and Lespia. They won a huge war in the 50's against Rumburg.
@@joao-batistaikr, it's like calling Peru small lmao.
I’d say there is a deeper cultural reason related to the educational style that bleeds into attitudes around sports. Negative feedback might work in education and ends up producing kids who get all 100 questions right to avoid having to answer for the one or two wrong answers. In sports, you can’t take this approach with a goalkeeper, batter, or three point shooter and expect the team dynamic to stay strong.
I work in a Chinese school that focuses on sports, and I see talented footballers blame their teammates for not receiving a pass. Coaches lay into goalkeepers during the game. In Europe, the culture of team sports is more focused on relieving pressure from teammates so they can play more naturally, not looking to blame them. “You’d better not make a mistake” doesn’t work as well as “let’s play well” in team sports.
Sabotages as well...by foreign coaches / trainers.
Most glaring is Men's basketball...past and present. Even the Serbs are cajoled or coerced into becoming saboteurs.
Chinese excell in Women's volleyball - basketball - softball - water polo - rugby - football - synchronized swimming - rowing & kayaking - sprint relay race ... also in 3x3 basketball along with the Men's
And maybe that's the same reason why Europe failed in every other things. lol..
There is also a recent story about the dopping agency allowing 23 Chinese athletes who tested positive for steroids to compete at the last Olympics, and kept it secret
Every leading country has tainted history with roids.
@Watchwatch122 never seen a country with that high number lol record breaking
@@gw7120 if china and russia are getting caught, what makes you think the states, australia, gb aren't all in on it lol
@@Kaiweeks oh whataboutism, a modern plague that will never die.
Yeah, you know why they still let the Chinese athletes compete even tho they got tested positive for doping?
Because they know even with PED's and all these advantages, they still won't win.
I had a Chinese friend who was in the soccer training camp, he has a big passion for the game and his parents were Palace fan (most likely due to Fan Zhiyi). He said one of the problem he found in the state training camp was no one wanted to be there, lots of students were they because they don’t wanna study. The training are very static and using old format like teaching Fundamentals of the game just doesn’t work. But however when he trained with BSU, there’s a sense of light.
I also coach Chinese students in China but not in a Chinese school setting. My students really enjoy playing and are very creative. I think it helps that my training and session focuses less on the fundamentals and more on patterns of plays and small sided games.
There are two things that facilitated China’s lack of team mentality:
First, the One Child policy. China forcibly restricted parents to have only one child from 1978 to 2016. This meant the kid was raised to become the best, and teamwork mentality vanished. This has a disastrous impact in China’s team sport development.
Second, poor design of education system. Chinese education system is designed to restrict, not to be flexible like in South Korea and Japan, both are similar to China in term of harsh education. However, South Korea and Japan have been able to design their education curriculums to navigate and enable young people to embrace sports if they are not academically blessing, something China failed to do so.
I would still rather take a Chinese or Japanese applicant over a jeet anyday. Can’t trust those who don’t use toilets .
This is utter nonsense, anyone who has sibling would know this, they fight with each other than the stereotypical "team work"
@@obsidianstatuemost humans have to learn to share or coexist or compromise with their siblings one of the beautiful things of growing up. Also that fighting usually disappears when you move out. You also learn to cope with being their for family even when they make you mad or dislike them. Something useful in a team setting.
@@obsidianstatuealso the attention in china probably is really high if you’re raised to be the only child and succeed significantly… you don’t have the choice to be mediocre and that means constant single competition between other peers.
@@obsidianstatue Anyone who actually have siblings know that "fighting" is only the surface part of a sibling relationship. Sibling fights only strengthen family bonds. When things get serious and times get rough they fight the world for each other.
Example: Try telling your best friend that you want to date his sister and see how long your friendship lasts.
My question is, why don't South Korea and Japan have the same problems with education hindering their sports development. Im not incredibly informed about the specifics but doesn't all 3 of those countries largely focus on education
I know culturally Japan does prioritize sports, especially baseball
I believe Japan specifically is a team sport powerhouse because of their culture. Japanese culture generally values excellence in any activity or discipline a person is involved in. Whether it be education, innovation, entertainment, or athletics
@@presseagainidareyou4704 very true plus cooperation and teamwork is a huge aspect of their culture. It might be why we have seen many Japanese weightlifters or (native born) Japanese boxers but they’re amazing at sports like baseball and soccer
Also Japan is starting to get really, really big about hockey
As a Chinese person myself, I would say that even though Chinese people *say* they are all about the team, company, family, etc., at the end of the day, they are all very cutthroat, and all about themselves. Japanese, on the other hand, really do put the collective efforts of the group first. No one gets individual accolades. Even someone like Ohtani praises his teammates, and downplays his own accomplishments.
It's also about priority. Team sports take much larger investment while still worth only same 1 gold Olympic medal. Priority is given to individual sports the
I know the same, about the German Democratic Republic!
Except that Xi is a big football fan, so this got really pushed.
That’s just wrong. Because the more money you put into the more you get from it too through sponsorships, players sales and shirt sales which is more than ‘1 gold Olympic medal’
But that can't be the explanation since as the video says, China has invested mammoth amounts of money into (men's) soccer but has had very little success.
@@chris.48 Shirt sales in communist country :))))
Chinese women’s teams have traditionally been quite competitive - there was a film made in 2020 called Leap based on the women’s national volleyball team. The coach Lang Ping is very famous for coaching both the Chinese national team and the US National team. The national football team has a storied history too.
The author is a sexist.
Do you think maybe the Chinese culture is less cooperative, more back stabbby, more selfish than other cultures so individual sports do better than team sports?
You nailed it. He doesn’t want to think that about his ancestors - but it’s true. Chinese will cheat their own family/friends to get ahead.
Thats the same stereoyype against Chinese in South East Asia....they also avoid yeam sports and exclide other races..they believe foe example that only Chinese can play badmintoj but trends of badminton champions show many excellent badminton players from Europe, India and Indonesia.
I would have imagined the opposite. A lot of Chinese political decisions seem to press the individual for the benefit of the group.
@@rossfisher5543It’s not a general “group over individual” thing. The benefits always have to go to the one specific group.
i worked in business that deals a lot with foreigners, and me with my boss always teach our colleagues not to trust the "mainlander" chinese folks, they're good for short term profit but they WILL backstab or do something weird with your projects or contracts
Tho from what I've spoke to some chinese ppl, they are a bit frustrated by how bad they do in football. I see them wanting to have a more competitive football team.
At one point China’s women’s soccer team was one of the best in the world. They managed to draw with the US in 1999 before losing in penalties. The government funded them well and they were the first Women’s World Cup host. Now they can’t escape the group stage.
Guy kind of drops the ball at the end. Chinese kids are too busy studying? Not the strongest conclusion. That's like what the Chinese government would say.
Yeah, big lol the video was meant to explain a lack of high level team sports athletes and he just goes on about how apparentlery every kid in china is too busying wanting to be a doctor or something
I agree. I also don't think it's admirable that children are made to study almost all day and are given very little opportunity to pursue their passions (unless they are picked out of a lineup for being flexible or having long arms/optimal bone density lmao). I'm sure the diminishing returns on studying all day are massive, the human brain simply isn't equipped to learn in that manner. You have to have a culture in which kids are encouraged to 1) try new things, and 2) pursue the things they love and aim for excellence in those pursuits.
China sucks at everything but propaganda
@@PlaySA There are diminshng returns.
@@Tomtomtomtomtomtomtom75kg But that's the reality. Chinese put education above sports. That's how they've been able to output 4.7 million STEM graduates while the US only has 437,302 STEM graduates per year.
At one point China was actually decent in women's hockey and basketball, but IIRC these are the only team sports where China actually achieved any measure of international success...
China is quite strong in women's basketball now; they won silver at the most recent women's world cup
u missed women's volleyball. Anyway, Chinese's women team sports are generally quite competitive as compared to their men's counterpart
China did/do well in women team sports before other countries start applying their well-defined men's system to women. Football is a good example. China played very well in the 90s when other countries barely had women's football. When countries like Japan and England start sharing the resources they had in men's football to women, China just went downhill.
Chinese women in 3x3, ranks 1st and men ranks 4th. Its a very good ranking.
I understand that China has more hoops success in 3x3, but I never specified whether it was 3x3 or 5x5 basketball though. However, China tends to have more success in a sport if the sport flies under other countries' radars...
So no mention of the Chinese women's national volleyball team (five world cups, two world championships, and three Olympic titles), I guess it didn't fit your narrative. And have you ever thought that maybe due to the average height of Chinese people, there are not many NBA stars, as is the case for all other Asian nations?
lol your thought process is an american thing which is infact why they struggle at it(long arms do swimming, tall go play volleyball and BBall) is a stupid way to find talent. Europeans, Africans and South Americans understood the key to being good at a team sport first and foremost is understanding its fundamentals and growing a high understanding i.e IQ of the sport. Until China lets kids follow sports based on their natural instinct, love for it and a bit of luck they will continue to regress in team sport. America gets away with it cause they have a sizeable black gene pool in their population but in recent years as american sports reach international popularity they are losing a grip on it to countries like germany where both their black and white atheletes have a better understanding of bball fundamentals than americans who rely on sheer athleticism and individual brilliance(iso plays)
and the Chinese women's basketball team are current silver medallists at the world cup. This video focuses only on men's team sports and draws unsupported conclusions about China overall. And mentioning rugby, baseball and hockey is just nonsense since these sports are very new to China altogether
Wrong, the average is low but china has the most "tall" people in the world, they are 1.4 billion, they have alot of men over 2 meters.
@@lucaskellan4909 ah yes, you have a point there : )
I guess corruption is much less in women's sports as the money is not there.
No sibling, no cousin leads to lack of family bond. Team sports are like families working together.
You've made a very great point there- no siblings no bond
Is that the same reason why those countries are good at football but fail in other things? lol..
@@tl2245 the rigorous amount of training Chinese athletes goes though from a very early age is incomparable to others. That's why they are the best in individual sports. Hence proven hard work pays off.
@@TruthSeeker-i4s So why other countries don't train their players from early age? Are they nuts? lol...
@@tl2245 their government body doesn’t have that much authority over citizens. Please do some study. Lol
This is an excellent video, minimal yapping and a good script, keep it up, I honestly didn't realize how few views it had because the quality was so high
Wow, thanks!
@@Notjimmymaio High level of individualism is also a problem why china might not be as good as other countries.
@@saadbinrehman8186 thats ironic since the us is highly individualistic but they always wins big 😂😂
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You skipped the sabotages by foreign coaches/trainers ...
Also forgetting the existence of sport academies ...
Chinese excelled in Women's volleyball - basketball - softball - water polo - rugby - football - synchronized swimming - rowing & kayaking - sprint relay race ... also in 3x3 basketball along with the Men's
@@vijaz5559 the only teamsports the US kinda "dominate" are the sports they them self invented and have the only real league on their own soil ex; Basketball, hockey and baseball and american fotball
You're missing one, they are currently ranked among the top teams in Women Volleyball.
Women's volleyball (and to an extent, women's soccer/football, although it hasn't seen the same success as volleyball) seem to be the exception. Women's volleyball success has a deeply rooted culture and is considered a source of national pride across multiple generations.
Main reason for that is other countries lack of investment in women's sports rather than any one country doing well. It's kind of true for all women's sport.
@@saman_pradhan Nah. That's certainly not the case for women volleyball. They currently ranked 4th at Women VNL, which is the top league for women volleyball.
There are 16 teams in Women VNL, which is the top league for women volleyball, below that there's a challenger cup which consist of the winner from the regional competition.
How could you make a video about China’s poor soccer performance without mentioning the corruption and Chen Xuyuan
Probably because sports in general and corruption go hand in hand, so it basically becomes a given. Plus the video is more about the society aspect.
There are a lot of factors but the system is the most important in my opinion. Before their unification, East Germany won way more Olympic individual medals than West Germany. But West Germany was way better at soccer than East Germany. They are the exact same people and yet you see a big difference in results in a short period of time.
I'm Japanese, but most Japanese students aged between 12 and 18 belong to school club activities. And I think it depends on the club, but many Japanese students are passionate about club activities, and many of them put club activities before their studies. In Japanese schools, if students are tired from club activities or lack of sleep, teachers will overlook them even if they are sleeping during class. And Japanese parents are very supportive of their children being involved in club activities. I don't know much about Chinese education, but your video makes me feel that it's very different from Japanese education and their education is much more stressful.
If you are japanese, then you surely know about your absolutely toxic sports club culture, specifically the history of the human rights violating baseball culture in middle schools-high schools. People have destroyed their bodies, given up their lives and tortured by japanese sports culture as well, so I don't think its fair to say that japanese education is better in that regard.
Teamwork isn't always about being a part of a team or club. Generally a good team has people sacrificing their own ambitions so others can look better.
Over the history of football (soccer) many players have been overlooked by spectators but anyone that has played with them know, they make everyone look better. It's hard to put into words because it's like air, you can't see but you feel it and when it's not there, well... everything dies
Chinese education views club activities as a distraction against studying.
Honestly, a nation's ability to perform at team sports is quite indicative of its sociological ability at collective action. It doesn't matter if you have billions of people and millions of "the best", if they're all brought up by society to always look after their own ass above all else, to fuck over everyone else along the way just to get ahead. Such sociological attitudes are antithetical to effective labor unions (one that's an independent social corporation, not part of capital or state), bottom up social reform, or having a competent sports team.
maybe cultural factors come in here.
Ain't China communist? They pride themselves on interdependence
Great comment 👍🏽
Your correlation between the capacity for collective action and affinity for team sports is nonsensical. My country, Brazil, produces some of the best sports teams in the world and our culture is hyperindividualistic. The USA is another example.
Countries with more collective-oriented thought aren't the best at mainstream team sports either (pick any south asian country and see). I honestly don't know what you're basing your correlation on.
@@arturhatwigpiper3894I think it's a combination of various factors. Brazil is one of the most passionate countries when it comes to sports, the infrastructure isn't great and society might be individualistic but the passion is there.
The U.S has the best sport infrastructure in the world with some of the best genetics in the world and the weirdest and most successful tbh sports culture.
China lacks pretty much everything.
PRC does not encourage team sports or anything else that builds leadership and teamwork. Leadership is theirs alone.
well said. you hit a lot of good points!
Something i think worth mentioning on this topic (and kinda relates with what you said about culture and passion, as well as that repetitive methodology) is creativity.
Theres a book called Brave Dragons by Jim Yardley about when former NBA coach Bob Weiss went to coach in China and his experiences, and it shares some similar sentiments as this video. its also really really insightful while not taking itself too seriously or is overly critical, and has a lot of funny moments. its compares and contrasts a lot and also goes a lot into the history of the sport in China.
Bob Weiss did an interview about the book and it was right around the time of Linsanity. He was asked about Lin and said Lin would not have made it to the level he did if he grew up in China (or Taiwan for that matter) because the game requires a level of creativity, improvisation and cleverness in the moment and as well as audacity to just do. This kind of mentality is not something post Cultural Revolution China is receptive too. He also mentions that there's something to be said about the dynamics between coach/teacher/authority and the people they are responsible for developing in a Chinese cultural context.
Yao Ming is a once in a generation, brilliant talent/mind who was able to succeed at the highest level regardless of the conditions of his development.
The "creativity" angle is complete bullshit. Young European players are flat out better than young American players, precisely because they follow rigid hierarchies and authority. There's a reason any successful entity - business, academics, and sports alike - always uses rigid structures.
I'll assume those comments about "creativity" is made by Yardley. Because there's no way an NBA coach would ever advocate for "creativity, improvisation, and cleverness in the moment" in early player development.
“Angolia”
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@@fruitpunchsamurai8939 what
@@CTGReviews "It hurt (when he said that)" in portuguese
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"unlike the west, chinese athletes usually emerge from the sports academy system" Newsflash but so does the rest of the world, America is unique in their system. Unless your concept of "the west" = USA than what you said makes no sense.
I believe he meant a government run academy system. Quite different from the ones in Europe for football/basketball
he meant government programs dedicated to intense sports programs, the USA doesn't have this at all.
You know that the US has sports academies too, right? Like, not-government-run(even the US Olympic team gets 0 government funding, they have to find their own money) sports academies? Like IMG Academy, they aren't exactly a secret.
@@RyTrapp0 IMG Academy is different in that it is not government run. It is more or less profit driven. They are driven to select the best players and develop them. There is less corruption. If IMG Academy was in China, the dean of the academy would get lots of favours and bribes for parents trying to put their kids in the academy.
0:07 Which it's ironic when the whole concept of communism is group over the individual
It is mystifying how the West continues to pigeonhole what communism in China is. The Chinese communist party is in name only, nothing communistic about them. They are communists because they want to control everything and hold on to power. The CCP only looks out for themselves and they are not expected to look out for individuals. Go to China, and you’ll see that they are more capitalistic and materialistic than the west because everyone is expected to look out for themselves.
There's a thing you didn't consider, and i would have loved to know your point of view: esports. League of legends chinese players are some of the best in the world, they're always highly competitive in international tournaments. So why teenagers are more likely to invest their time playing the game trying to be a pro player insted of a traditional sport like soccer of basketball?
Interest. It's the giant elephant in the room that this video completely ignores.
It's ONLY association football and basketball that China actually tries and can't compete against the rest of the world. And the key here is interest. The teams that are good at those sports, play it religiously. And I mean that literally - association football is basically held to the same passion as religion.
Interest comes first and foremost. If a Chinese kid wants to play sports, his first choice would be table tennis. Next would probably be traditional Chinese sporting activities, such as acrobatics, martial arts, or dragon boating. China actually does quite well in volleyball, as well as numerous women's sports. Because the interest internationally is much lower than that in China, and when you add in China's large population, it leads to China being dominant in those events.
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We focus on basketball and association football because the interest in China is just high enough that it garners attention. And because it's China. Nobody talks about China being bad at cricket, baseball, or field hockey, because China essentially does not play them.
One key point in Esports is that there's very minimal government involvement in selecting the players, training them, sending to games, paying, etc. You can pretty much say its more or less a free market. If esports was government run, players would be training on mindless clicking as fast as possible which does nothing to improve your playing ability.
Angola (not Angolia) has a population of 35 million and a surface area of 1.25 million sq. m2. That is more than two times the sizs of France. The country is larger than Nigeria and by no means "tiny".
I think he meant population wise it’s small, that entire country has less people than the state of California! Area wise yes everyone knows it’s massive
It's wierd cause solo sports, Olympics they are there fighting with Russia and US for the most medals but team sports... it's really bad for some reason.
Also the countries name 0:37 is Angola, and doesn't really have a small population it's almost Spains population. Ofc pales when comparing to China
It also took years for america to build that intense sporting culture. Baseball has been there for 100+ years, basketball and american football took years to gain popularity. A lot of the sports you mentioned are american sports that china only recently (like basketball) or never embraced (baseball/american football).
I've watched 🇯🇵, 🇰🇷 and 🇨🇳 play ⚽️ on the national level since 2018. They all have passionate fans so that's not really the issue. However, their approaches to the game noticeably differs from each other.
🇯🇵 can play an attractive, team-oriented brand of ⚽️. When they are at their best, they resemble 🇪🇸. They have very good, technical players and are very good at passing and making the correct runs off the ball. Both the men's and women's team typically play this way.
🇰🇷 generally doesn't play the attractive brand of ⚽️ that 🇯🇵 employs. Their style resembles 🇩🇪 or 🏴. Also, 🇰🇷 is not quite as technically gifted as 🇯🇵. Still, they have good players and tends to play well as a unit. They can be tough to beat.
🇨🇳, well...there's no real identity to their game. There's no system. At times it looks like the 11 players on the field are on several different wavelengths. That team chemistry is sorely lacking. Also, their players generally are not nearly as talented as 🇯🇵 or 🇰🇷. They tend to be average at best. 🇨🇳 needs to actually select a style of play that suits them and develop players in the mold of that style in the same manner that 🇯🇵 has done.
Agree with the assessment that the issue is mainly cultural. In a sense, a boring culture which prioritises education over sports.
Japan and Korea still compete at a high level despite a highly education-centered culture and much smaller populations
Japan literally just beat Germany at the last world cup
@@symptomofsouls CC should do a showcase of japan in contrast of this
@@dinglshingle I think if China was more willing to let their players move to European clubs they would be much better off
Real Madrid and Inter Milan both tried to sign their NT captain Zhang Linpeng back when he was 19 but they demanded so much money for him they backed out
@@symptomofsouls have you ever seen a japanese weightlifter?
@@symptomofsouls didn't know of that. only person i know played in laliga was wu lei and the chinese are quite proud that he made it there. maybe we'll see more chinese talents in the far future since there is a huge fanbase for football in China. it's just not happening in this or the coming century
You can train and shape one talented person as much as you want. But a team has 11 players, all are different.
I mean China is Godly in Badminton, which if you count Thomas and Uber Cups, is a team sport.
There's always am exception to the rule
Well, Badminton are still played at single or pair at one time so its still very much 1v1 or 2v2 games.
China is lacking in sports where teamwork and coordination is needed. Games where you need to be aware what you teammates are doing, how individual players can fit into the whole system and how you can react as a unit in a run of play.
The only exception are Dragon Boat Racing, Water Polo and Volleyball and out of those 3, Dragon boat Racing is the only sports that they can completely dominate.
badminton isn't really a team sport though, like the pair barely has to coordinate to be effective
@@Sammich4839 Yea, I don't think anyone would seriously consider doubles tennis to be "team sports" in the same way that baseball is a team sport
Chinese women's basketball team won second place in the World Cup last year and the men's basketball team used to be No. 1 in Asia and No. 8 in the world when Yao Ming was in the team.
I will also say that shear repetition can actually hurt an athlete in a way. In team sport, especially with a ball involved, there is a level of unpredictability. No two situations are the same and every situation is unique. It takes creativity and conceptual problem solving to improvise on the fly.
Yeah, there's also the very real problem of instilling bad habits through so much repetition, as each repetition should be given immediate feedback if it is to be of any value. I'm not saying that there necessarily needs to be a coach standing there, but there has to be a way for the performer to know if the single repetition was done correctly, and if it needs to be modified. Obviously, the athlete needs to be focused and hyperaware, and challenging themselves. Mindless repetition is mindless.
i think the BIG thing here is everywhere else sports is about community and cultural identity. It does it in different ways but Japan, USA, France, Argnetina, and etc.. are all very different and some (japan) put just as much of a push in school but sports is a culture and identity in these places and they are not in China.
0:38 the name of the country is Angola and isn't a small country at all
Fantastic video, mate! Luved the topic and your calm, yet entertaining approach of explaining. Hang in there, that was good!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Well made, thanks. As a basketball fan in my 40s, I think that China is still in the Gen 1 for basketball, so let's see what will happy for Gen 2 and Gen 3.
I think a reason could be that team sports take a huge amount of effort to be good at (e.g. you need a lot of competitors, only some will actually make it) and they are very complex when it comes to cooperating and organising the sport. Also, you NEED a CULTURE of a certain team sport for it to be played! Like, people in Germany play football not because they are state sponsered programmes which tells them to do so, but because thats just what you do when you're a kid. From that pool you can always find the best.
It's culture differences. In UK, soccer is the most influential sport for centuries. Up until now, it finally became the part of their life. While in China, many youth usually prefer to go to school instead of going to the beach or amusement park. The parents always taught them to study a lot, do the exam and then graduate from college at the end of the semester. Becoming an athlete isn't fun though. It would be extremely stressful if they can't join any team or club to pursue the success in life. Not to mention about family pressure that would easily break them apart.
So how many world cups and euros has England won in last 50 years?
State-driven athletics is trash, and the fact that Chinese kids aren't free to pursue their passions is sad, not admirable.
Funny fake news and disinformation 🤡
Chinese excelled in Women's volleyball - basketball - softball - water polo - rugby - football - synchronized swimming - rowing & kayaking - sprint relay race ... also in 3x3 basketball along with the Men's
Is that why China became second in the Olympics by just one medal, smartass?
It is solid and gives results apart from that engineers are needed for a country's growth not some omegle or onlyfans celebrity like the west has in abundance.
This is the result of 'freedom' given to children.
Go say your crap where people of your ilk exist.Joker
No one needs omegle, instagram and onlyfans celebrities which the west has in abundance Joker.
No wonder the west is going down the drain along with its vassals as people like yourself exist.
State driven system does quite well.
No one needs omegle, instagram and onlyfans celebrities which west has in abundance Joker.
No wonder the west is going down the drain along with its vassals as people like yourself exist.
State driven system does quite well.
Always remember that Croatia with population less than 4 million people reached the final in FIFA world cup 2018 and was 3rd in 2022, despite the corruption and poor infrastructure,what he missed to mention is that the Chinese lack the fighting spirit, maybe due to the reasons he mentioned earlier, where Croatian are the spartan of football
China lacks a community spirit, not a fighting one. You can't form an army with men who care more their own status and chasing money to hand over to their family. Croatia, in contrast, despite being part of Yugoslavia, has a collective communal spirit
Soccer was a ghost sport in the US for 50 years until the NASL was created in the 70's and players like Pele, Franz Beckenbauer, George Best, Gerd Müller, Johan Cruyff, etc inspired Americans. Then you throw in the 94 World Cup and the success of the Women's team. Translation to 2024 and the US has players playing for some of the biggest clubs in the world. America has now 4th generation soccer kids playing youth soccer. No Messi or Ronaldo caliber player yet, but progress has been made. It takes decades to build a sports culture. This shift happened in the US and Japan in the 80's. Japan also co hosted the World Cup in 2002. Both are now starting to see fruits of their labor. Maybe in 3 decades China will be a top 10 nation in the world. After all they have a leader who is investing billions into the sport, but as we often see in the sport itself it starts with culture. Maybe in 2038 it is China that host the World Cup that further inspires a generation leading to a young crop of stars by the 2050's.
Well another factor for soccer growth in the US is the large influx of immigrants from Latin American countries that are crazy about this sport in recent decades. China also doesn’t have that factor
@@thomasgrabkowski8283 but only 30% of soccer fans in the US are Latino. 70% are not. While a factor, it isn't like they make up the majority. I see more and more white and black kids playing soccer these days. My town has probably gotten less Latino since the days I was in high school, yet now every elementary school has a soccer field with kids playing on it. That didn't exist in the 90's when I was in school. There is no doubt that soccer interest has grown tremendously in the US. It is actually more popular than the NHL and arguably as popular as baseball even if its domestic league (MLS) has not caught on as much yet. MLS is still the 7th most attended league in the soccer world, despite many American soccer fans not caring much about it preferring Liga MX, EPL, La Liga, Bundesliga, Serie A instead.
China has taken the steps to generate interest in Football/Soccer, its one of the sports it can do well since most Chinese are of similar physical traits to Koreans and Japanese who do qualify for the World Cup. If the real interest is generated and their system can yield results in decades. Add in some world class foreign coaches and advisors they can catch up.
That said there are some sports they won’t do well as their Asian counterparts like basketball no matter how much training and development they get.
Look at American basketball and France football team it's an African team
I think the mindset has the change.
The most competitive sport is football, other sports are niche to the anglosphere or not played as much as football. Winning in soccer is the demonstration you're competitive and there is no real restriction to height or body build, anyone can play football. South america europe africa now asia all compete, if china ever gets to progress in football it demonstrates things are working out.
Brazil and Argentina is well for football, how about their economy ?
"small country of only 35 millions people" dam. many countries dont reach that number
0:38 wtf is angolia? 💀💀💀
It's Angola
A mythical country where mongolians and angolans coexist
So they prefer individual sports over team sports. Understandable. In India people mostly prefer cricket over everything else and you can see how India struggles in Olympics despite the population but in cricket they're great
What is an "Angolia"?
yeah he messed up
Its a portugese speaking alternate universe Mongolia
@@dagmawiberhane5398 no he did not.
This is surprising given how obsessed China is with image. If China wants to boost their image they should focus on sports with large popularity like baseball, basketball, & soccer than table tennis… I’m just saying.
I only played Ultimate Frisbee when I was in China… in a sport where you can’t leave your feet if you have the disk, you better have good teamwork, and the local players definitely had that… 😂😂
Uruguay is like the opposite of china in that matter. Small country, two world cups, constantly produces top level players (suarez, cavani, valverde, forlan)
-100000 social credit. See you in work camp, comrade.
meanwhile the usa has the concept of "credit history" and no one bats an eye.
Chinese Women's Volleyball team won 3 times Olympics Champion.
One of the things missed for the American and European obsession with team sports is that many were initially supported out of the goal to train officers and military men. Soccer, Rugby, and American football all started as more primative games that were often structured more like capture the flag and could involve hundreds. And the more those three sports diverged was not to degrade their use as a training tool, but instead about limiting injury or teaching different skills. Many US president's and business leaders played team sports. And even the more obscure team sports like Polo and Lecross were originated in martial traditions.
น่าสนกว่าแหะ เพราะ บริษัทต้องใช้ teamwork สูง
- lang ping รู้วิธีสร้างทีม
- กีฬาคนเดียวสามารถ ฝึกซ้ำๆ คนเดียวได้ แต่ทีม ต้องเล่นร่วมกันเยอะๆ มีหลายฝ่ายเข้ามาทำงานร่วมกัน เพื่อยกแต่ละขา
- nect คนใกล้และทุกภาคส่วนได้
Ping-pong is not based on stiff repetition and does not require any specific body type; yet China is pretty much No.1 in the world at this sport (in both singles and doubles). Japan and South Korea also place heavy emphasis on education, but these two countries still achieve far better results in team sports than China did.
The biggest problem for China in team sports is its lack of emphasis on teamwork... especially when it comes boys and young men (who are taught from a young age to compete against one another rather than to work with one another). China's women's team sports aren't great but they do far better in international competition than the men do.
Ping pong is absolutely based on stiff repetition. Yes the path of the ball and your response to it changes, but the only way to become great at ping pong is to hit a ball millions if not billions of times.
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If hitting a ball that can come from different directions counts as repetition, then you can say the same thing about shooting a basketball or hitting a baseball (the latter of which is much harder and requires many more hours to get right at practice than hitting a ping-pong ball). Every sport requires some repetitive practice to get the fundamentals right.
What distinguishes sports such as ping-pong from diving or swimming is that there is no script to follow in ping-pong. Players don't hit the ball from a predetermined point or in a predetermined direction. They have to improvise and make decisions on the go.
Wait... 22-2? Goddamn, I've never been a proponent for mercy rules in the pros, but when a baseball team is putting up a football score, I can make an exception.
meanwhile, US women volleyball just got beaten up by China😂😂😂
8 days later, USA women in the Paris oLympic final while China got beaten in Qurter-final by Nobody Turkey.
Meanwhile, USA women’s volleyball is playing for the Gold Medal against Italy in the morning. Where is China now? Losers go home, Winners play for hardware!
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China won the Gold medal in Volleyball during 2016 Olympics. Also this year they won Silver Medal in Hockey and Tennis Doubles almost winning both events.
China is an Ancient civilization as we Greeks we have seen so many empires rise and dissapear during the last 4000 years people should never underestimate us cause baby nations as USA will banish first.
@@KonstantinosPhillippikos is it truth basketball and football invented in china and yet they failed to win WC trophy and medals in Olympic.
@@KonstantinosPhillippikos you sound stupid
Thank u for this. This is a really good assessment.. I haven't seen or heard they won on a team sport for a long time
Chinese excelled in Women's volleyball - basketball - softball - water polo - rugby - football - synchronized swimming - rowing & kayaking - sprint relay race ... also in 3x3 basketball along with the Men's
Thanks
I've noticed that most of the most populous countries don't excel in sports, you don't hear much that China, India or Indonesia have won a sports tournament or championship, smaller countries like Australia, the Netherlands, or Canada stand out much more in any sport, the only populated countries that really stand out in many sports are the USA, Brazil and Japan
You're talking about Team Sports ...
Try badminton, hockey , shooting , TT etc with them
China excels in many individual sports and India excels in cricket
What are you on about, India has won the hockey World Cup equivalent and is consistently ranked as the number one cricket team on the planet. Confidence and ignorance shouldn’t be mixed together
@@thomasgrabkowski8283India has been consistently improving in individual sports. It’s just that India doesn’t enforce inhumane training on kids for the sake of “national pride”
Which is not to say that the system isn’t an inefficient bureaucratic corrupt mess
Institutional knowledge from a coaching and development level with a deep athletic talent pool is the factor. China does well in some team sports like badminton and volleyball for example, and why do they do well in those sports but not basketball, baseball or association football? Some of the best development coaches in the world in badminton have worked in China. This is not true in those other sports. I think that's a much bigger factor than educational rigor or hyper-individualism from my experience.
Japan, for example, is a nation with similarly high education rigor but excels at baseball and that's because Japan like its international contemporaries in baseball like the United States, South Korea, Cuba, etc, have some of the best development coaches within their borders.
How about Esports? China has been competitive in several team games. In Dota2 for example they are always considered contenders and even though they haven't won any "The International" in recent years there's always atleast 1 Chinese team in the top 4 if not top 2
Bruh lol they are still cursed from karma ever since Wings Gaming won.
Don't forget LOL
Because there is no government interference like almost all physical sports
that would run counter to the whole "they are too busy studying" narrative if they can compete internationally in e-sports...
Periphery vision I think. Ever walk down a road there and people don’t see you until you are nearly in front of them. That affects team sports where you are looking for subtle movements
The Chinese national team for volleyball is pretty good. Gave team Japan a run for their money last VNL
First of all, you didn’t mention that China is a volleyball powerhouse. Is volleyball not a team sports? Also, China use to dominate basketball in Asia. And soccer/football in China continues to be a conundrum because it is one of the most popular sport in China and Chinese players have played overseas including the English Premier League. But they always underachieve in international competitions. As for baseball, baseball was never popular in mainland China like in Taiwan, Korea, and Japan. Your assessment of emphasizing education over sports is prevalent in all Asian countries and overseas Asians but in China like Korea and Japan there is an emphasis in grooming world class athletes. The problem with China is coaching and adapting to how these sports are constantly evolving. For example, in basketball they use to dominate because they just find the tallest players but they lack ingenuity and skills to develop these players further. Their pro league emphasize name recognition over player development. The CCP’s control and authoritarian tendencies have sucked out any creativity and they’re just good at copy and paste.
I played team sport in China 🇨🇳, I was on basketball team and this dude is spot on . Everyone was studying like maniacs while us, a hooper, was considered a trash just because I didn’t enjoy studying in that environment.
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The title is rather misleading. Who’s here in 2024 watching China having the most gold medals in Paris?
Yeah..mainly in the minor events... Not like basketball, volleyball,,,track n field.. Watch,,end of Olympics, usa will wind up more because of basketball and track n field
@@MikeyzFoodieLairshows how little you are paying attention. GOLD in basketball 3 vs 3, female tennis singles GOLD, Weightlighting GOLD, SWIMMING GOLD, DIVING GOLD.
USA doesn’t have any gold in weightlifting, China has 3 gold medals (the Chinese are stronger than Americans). China has 5 Gold medals in shooting, USA has ZERO, which is hilarious since there are more guns in America than they are American ppl, lol.
Unlike USA, China doesn’t need players of African decent to get gold or Chinese Americans either.
Furthermore China does have more GOLD than USA when you include “Hong Kong China & Taipei China”
@@MikeyzFoodieLair 5 gold medals in shooting & USA has ZERO, lol. 😂. More guns in America vs total USA population & good luck trying to buy a gun in China.
3 gold medals in weightlifting, USA big ZERO. The Chinese are physically stronger than the Americans despite the fake stereotypes!
You should learn to read the title. TEAM is the operative word, and the whole point of the video. China dominates the endless variations of ping pong, badminton, and diving…. hardly global “team” sports.
Its about medal count at the Olympics & Asian Games.
A team sports medal is 1 medal. Diving, Swimming, Badminton, Gymnastics, Track, Speedskating all can win multiple medals at a single games.
0:38 Angolia lol Angola Big Bro
This video has several basic factual errors such as calling Angola “angolia” and stating china put billions of dollars into soccer in 2025 instead of 2015 just to name a few
Wth Angola is not a small country
Depends on perspective, when viewing it next to china, yes it's very small and the video was comparing the two. The landmass is comparable Alaska with a population similar to California, from an American perspective, yes, yes it is small.
Its Angola ..not Angolia jeez 🤦🏽♂️
If China is struggling then what is India? India perform 100 times worse across many sports and Olympics. Even in cricket they struggle to win world cups
India do not even try aleast china put money on the national sport teams
They have won 3 world cups. And they consistently rank 1 in different formats of cricket.
If you can make yourself feel better by comparing with others, rather than improving then go ahead. Most people in my area only focus on cricket and kabbadi, and we do good in both of them.
@@SRJ7798 you just named 1sport....even Australia shits all over India in many sports including cricket
@@Skybar23 Yeah, so? How is that a counter to my point. Australia is no Egypt, Sudan or even china. They are good at cricket, infact extremely good. Sometimes India win, sometimes Australia win amongst them. That's what happens when good teams play against each other. It's not as if some weaker team came and defeated them.
@@Skybar23 I just named one sport, because it's the sport which is most followed. I also follow Kabaddi, and we are pretty good at them. For other sports, like football or basketball, it's not widely followed or watched. I don't know what happens in those sports and I don't care.
China needs to take their kung fu on to the MMA stage I'm sure it will look like a kung fu or go horribly worng
Can you please do a video on the difference in intelligence between china and the west?
If china has such a large concentration on study can you please make a video about how china is different than the West. Like where are all the engineers and doctors and lawyers and what do they do in china?
the chinese doctors, I assume work at the chinese hospitals. Chinese engineers work at chinese engineering firms or possibly for the government on civic projects. Chinese lawyers work for various chinese lawfirms and comapnies. Kind of a stupid question if you ask me.
Great video! Well put together, great info, and well edited!
In short y'all just a bunch of nerds
yao ming begs to differ
Angola is so small you said it wrong..
I think this is why most people see China as a military joke too. If you don't have the teamwork skills to win a sport, how are you going to organize and win a war?
International sports is just peace time mostly non violent, (pending on the sport,) war in essence
So by your logic argentina would be amazing in war due to their footballing prowess? Read up on falklands war
I taught at a Chinese school and on my way to class I would pass by kids doing PE. It was just 40 kids practicing underhand volleyball bumps to see how long they could do it. It lasted the whole class. When I suggested they should practice sets too they had no idea what that was and thought it was some illegal move. There were courts 50 feet away from them but I never saw them actually organize into an actual game. Not once. Isn't that the point of learning the fundamentals? To actually play and have fun. It's like they were being babysat.
this video proves that people will believe any bum with some fancy editing, joke of a video lmao
Could it have something to do with the complete lack of altruism in a supposedly collectivistic society?
It is ironic considering that being a individual is looked upon in China 🤣
By the government, not culture, quit it with your uninformed sinophobia.
Ye I wonder why too. China’s women team sports are pretty strong. But men team sports are REALLY bad!!
A doctor contribute more to society than an athelete.
Ehh
Facts.
Lol, is like saying a doctor contribute more to society than a soldier. You really don’t understand the meaning of sport specially when it comes to representing your country. Look at the USA and Europe how great they became because of Sports, research how much the NBA Contributes to the American economy and football to the European economy. Sports is a Softpower that’s people worship those developed countries.
Y'all are very good in working as a team when conniving to cheat 😂
Its even worse when you consider theres a name for Korea vs China Soccer called Konghanzheng also known as the fear of korean soccer
😂
at least they're not India
Well Indians do excel in one particular team sports that is cricket. Team sports are not about repetition, it's about decision making based on circumstances and mutual understanding.
@@saadbinrehman8186 'Excel' isnt the word for it. They're a 1,4 billion country. They should be dominating considering its basically the national sport.
@@attysthoughts3253 india does not have a national sport but unofficially its field hockey and not cricket. India used to dominate in field hockey in the 20th century. It still has the most Olympic gold medals. But then the international committee changed the field rules from grass to astroturf which india couldn't afford. So hockey had a big downfall in india and pakistan. But india had made new infrastructure and has improved its hockey once again. It's on world rank 3 and will get better in the future
@@attysthoughts3253 and even in cricket india kinda dominates but in a different way. Cricket has now become a game of 'who makes the most money' and not as a national sport. That is why the indian premier league makes a lot more money than the world cup.
India is a dominating side in cricket & hockey,
Hey jimmy. Stumbled across your video. I really do think that a better direction for this topic would be: how does the traditional Chinese education system thwart its team-sports participation
I wouldn't say that the lack of pride/passion for say..basketball and football isn't there in China. It often comes down to the system in which the two sports are in. Something for you to possibly look into as well
China does really well in 1 team sports, Dragonboat paddling. Canada & USA have tried to beat & even emulate them in multiple world competitions, but have come up short
Lack of physicality. What's the average height and weight for a young male in China? Now compare those kids to like, a Senior Highschool Football team from the American South and it's not even close. Any team sport where physicality is a part of the play is always going to be an issue
China has recently won Olympic medals in Rowing (Gold in Womens Quad, Bronze in Womens Eight). It's a smaller team sport, but still.
Even these Olympics they tied the US for most gold. However the sports they win at are nit impressive at all, I mean ping pong canoeing, synchronized swimming. These are sports that the US really does not care about
If Men Boxer won in women's boxing mach will get DSQ in future China will get extra gold and place 1st