Framing A Support Wall Under Stairs
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- Опубліковано 3 жов 2024
- These stairs have a lot of bounce to them, I’m going to frame a support wall in the middle to fix it.
First, I measure and lay off where the wall will go.
Then I cut a pressure treated 2x4 to the width of the stairs- 42”.
I fasten it to the floor using three masonry screws.
Next, I use my 4-foot level to plumb up and mark where the top of the wall will meet the stairs.
I make a mark on both ends and connect them with a level.
Now I need to figure out the angle of the steps- I start by making a plumb line on the stringer; then I take my speed square and rotate it so it’s parallel with this line- It’s a 31-degree angle.
I used my table saw to make a 31-degree bevel on both sides of the top plate.
I fasten this to the bottom of the stairs using decks screws- two per stringer.
Measuring from the bottom plate to the top plate I get the lengths for my studs.
I set my miter saw to 31-degrees and make the cuts.
It’s good to check that the angle is correct before cutting all of them.
I use screws to install everything so there are no squeaks- two in the top and two in the bottom.
Finally, I put the rest of the studs in- one directly under each stringer.
Now, these stairs are super sturdy - if you like this content, be sure to like and subscribe. @hausplans
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Wow! Somebody on the internet actually did something completely correctly and did a good job!
Close, screws don't stop squeaks, it just takes longer to squeak than nails. Silicone adhesive will stop squeaks forever!
We always used glue to eliminate squeaks, if you had to go back and change something, was a pain in the azz getting it apart.
Minus the lack of adhesive and who knows of those were structural screws...nails are still king.
No nailer for the sheetrock
@@bigcountryjd Yup, he forgot the backing, and glue!
Damn, those things were built up pretty well too. I’m surprised they bounce as much as they do. Love watching!
Surprised...It's was no support.
Thanks
I think it might be because they don’t look as steep as what you’d normally see in a typical sent of stairs, makes them more accessible for carrying things up them but also more bouncy without that support
Long spans have bounce especially when they have no little load.
@@hausplanscan't you just screw the studs to the stringers? Why do you need a top plate?
I love how the supervisor was checking your work at end of video😂😂😂 APPROVED!!!
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Thats Mr. George lol
@@theItalianshamrock lol
Awesome!
And the OSHA supervisor was wearing his hard hat. Even better.
As a professional carpenter as well as a professional house framer of 30 yrs, This is 100% accurate and some really good info for those who need it. Good job guy!
Wow, thanks!
No fluff, no time padding, just helpful content and fine work. Exactly as it should be. Instantly subbed.
thank you!
Same here was a clean explanation and clean cuts and no BS. Definitely subbed.
Not sure about that. Little fluff at the end with a helmet on
@@rib6483They can keep that fluff coming!
@@rib6483 yes! Bravo 👏👏👏
You know it was done well when that BEAST walked down at the end without a flex!!!
haha great comment mate!! 😂 thanks for the laugh, needed it. cheers from finland!
Chihuahua POWER ! FOLKS😅
@@Nakkiteline nakkivene
This is THE comment 😂
The perfect DIY video. No yapping. Just straight up what you did and how you did it.
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Finally someone using pressure treated wood for ground/cement contact!!!!!! Excellent
Thanks 👍
It’s building code in the IRC
@@louisavila9450 it’s code damn near everywhere, but these UA-cam videos rarely show work that’s up to code….. this was great!
So... exactly WHY did you build the without support in the first place? My only thought was it would give you an opportunity to make this video for clicks
@@TonyM1961 architects are not builders
One of the few videos that actually show you how to do it.
The dog at the end 😍
The bevel on the cross piece was not necessary. But absolutely improved the aesthetic look when the edges of it and the verticals match
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It makes the drywallers job easier doesn't it?
Then it was
Did he rip a 2x6 to do that?
@@kirnzy7836i was thinking that too, I think so.
I think your little dog is a key aspect of the video. Bravo!
That's not a little dog. That's a "guard dog".
That's the new guy
That support wall will also allow for two individual storage closets! Awesome
Or to house a orphan wizard.
@@WeItenspinner Nah. Harry's cupboard had no support, it was moving too much with Dudley's stomps...
Or just a little space to go in, crouch, and scream, "NNNYYEEHHHHHH!!"
I can't even hammer a nail in straight, I've lots of respect for this fella. A real craftsman
As a journeyman Carpenter. In Framing carpentry, Stairs and Roofs, are the most complicated to learn. The "Tri-Square" is your most valuable tool!
Even with PT wood you may want to add a sill plate gasket underneath before you lag it down to the concrete.
Bottom plate is pressure treated, but extra protection is never a bad thing ! Great comment !😊
@@robertepley4339pressure treated isn’t gonna stop the moisture building up between the wood and the concrete(concrete sweats a lot too) it won’t last all that long
Here in Ontario it's illegal to use PT wood indoors. We would need to use Blue wood instead
The bottom board is pressure-treated and rated to make direct contact with the concrete. Also, this concrete slab has a moisture barrier below it.
@@hausplanshe would have known that if he was following along!
That dog is so cute with the hard hat lol
I Agree ; We need More Puppy 8 - )
He's the new guy. Doesn't really do the best work (if any) and likes to give orders to everyone. No one says anything for obvious reasons, though. I mean, would you want to possibly risk your safety for telling him something that he may take the wrong way? Not me, at least.
@@Bullet44 Yea he looks serious and likes to bark orders. He is always in the dog house with the old man. He told me he goes for walks and tired of being on the short leash. It's not going to get better because the dog days of summer are here.
Im not sure I seen this guys content but I know theres chichi Charlie and they too are cute lol I like this little guys red helmet. to be fair any dogs doing human tasks makes me laugh
Math class would actually be fun and useful if we learn these things
You do in geometry class that’s basic 10th grade math
I actually just had that convo with my teen the other day. The complaint about learning a unit, then taking the test and moving on to the next unit. I told them if they were actually taught the application of the math and why you need to know the formulas it would help them remember and learn more easily. The things I’ve actually put to use over the years helped me make more sense of the math I was taught.
Your comment is both enlightening and heartbreaking at the same time. It tells us that they're not teaching you this in school which is heartbreaking.
You just have a shitty teacher or a shotty brain sorry
Geometry. I started these concepts with my elementary students and it continues through to Geometry. There also can be algebraic concepts used in construction.
Wow someone who knows how yonuse a speed square correctly. Awsome!
I'm so glad there are people in the world who do these things so I never have to....
you can't believe the feeling of pride when you create something you can physically touch.
I like the extra side cuts on the under stair board. Super clean, going above and beyond to make it not only very strong but also very pleasing to the eyes. Well done 👍🏼
Yeah it seems a little bit unnecessary but it's one of those things that people who know what they are looking at will appreciate and everybody else will sort of have an understanding that things in that house are built a little bit better even if they don't know why.
Bonus storage locker under the stairs too! Nice.
Pretty sure a 1hr firewall is required under the stairs
@@johnypitman2368a what?
Edit: why?
@@cam58161st floor and 2nd floor fire separation is really important, and stairs without a fire wall are a huge weak point. The house can go up like a tinderbox if there was a fire on the first floor and not proper separation via your framing/cladding - and residents are usually sleeping on the second floor.
@@johnypitman2368 Firewall is required if the area under the stairs is enclosed.
@@TreeStump-and-CheeseKetchupIT yes
Impressive very clean and steady install
Thanks 👍
I've never liked and subscribed so obediently after seeing their first video
Thanks for the sub!
Not only did I like and subscribed, commenting as well. DUDE! You explained that so simply my stupid…head can understand it. So easy, and like you can’t mess it up. Great video!
Thanks
Thanks for sharing this.
Thanks for watching 👍
I'm not a carpenter or anything, but these videos are very interesting and informative on some things that I may even find myself engaging in sometime in the future.
Usually you would have 2x4’s running along the inside of the cut stringers which stiffens them up.
I don't think many know about that. Helps a lot. Easy quality.
They are called “strong backs”. They suck. This is FAR better. When I first started building decks and stairs, my boss would always tell me to do the strong backs when some stairs were long and bouncy. I did it about three times. Every single time I ended up having to drop some posts in the middle of the run. I never experienced strong backs make a significant difference. Maybe if you have like 7-9 stairs, and just a little bounce, but it won’t be as solid as what this guy did. I have never done strong backs since. It takes about the same time as doing it right like in the video.
Man. This guy is a true professional. The boys I work with don’t even use their speed square to get the angles☠️
You just gotta make one good cut at the start and use that board as your square.
I see the new guy is still hard at work! 👍
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I'm a finish carpenter. I took a stair framing class years ago. All the students had to frame a small set of stairs with a landing in the middle. Almost every student's stairs, including mine, looked like crap. One guy's was perfect, we couldn't figure out why he was in the class. LOL!
I've used most brands of miter saws, in the field the 12", dual bevel Dewalt is the best, imo.
That guy was probably sent by his employer, because they send everyone they hire.
FWIW I use a double bevel 12" DeWalt saw myself.
I second the dewalt. It is by far the best to keep straight and stay In line. They all have there own little nuances to get good cuts but dewalt has the least imo
@@keithtreisch6890
No doubt the Kapex would be great for trim work but who wants to leave a $1600 saw on a jobsite overnight or pack it in your truck every day?
One reason I like the Dewalt is for the bevel lock knob. It's big and locks securely with not much turning. I have a Makita LS1219L in my garage, nice saw but the bevel lock knob feels loose and junky and requires quite a few turns to lock it.
@ThekiBoran yep 10-4. I feel the same way. I prefer the dewalt mitre saws. Used a lot of brands and they usually are the most reliable for cutting compounds etc. The dual compound is awesome I def. Think it's a must for any trim carpenter no matter the brand , Crown moulding etc. Fun stuff. And to each there own !
@@ThekiBoran
I worked with an engineer who used engineer tools to work wood...(sandpaper out, flapper disc on an angle grinder...in!)
He bought that beautiful De Walt and the extension legs etc for it,
Every night it was disassembled, placed in his van and taken home.
In the morning it came back to the jobsite.
Seeing as how he was 6ft 6 and used to be a.50 BMG gunner who had to hump that around...he had no problem with the De Walt....
he also used a Miller Wood Welder....amazing man!
Masonary? That what happens when a missionary and a mason get together?
😂 I realized, I mispronounced the word after I posted
@@hausplans It's ok. I know many Masons that actually say it that way. (even though it makes me crazy)
it took entirely too long for me to find someone else who caught this too
I don't know a ton about this subject but your work looks great to me!
I appreciate that!
+1 for humility and self-awareness. Cheers, fellow human.
Nice work!!! Knows what he’s doing !!!
Thanks 👍
What a crazy precision! On my market saw angle accuracy is +-5 deg :D
I just came here for the doggie 🐶
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Learned everything he knows from watching Diaz videos.
Absolutely love the simple explanation of steps. Not too fast or slow.
Man that's awesome. Your stairs look crisp. Mine look like they made from random scrap wood. Wish you could help. 😊
Such precision- excellent
Can you do a repair like this but to my life
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@@Bullet44That’s always my advice to people.
Consider a "support" group. lol
Even got the big dog to come test the stairs and it didn’t bounce, amazing job!
When did the new guy become a supervisor? 🐕
Thank you for this, my basement stairs just started bouncing
Dude made it look so easy, damn man I'm jealous
you could have simply reinforced the stringers .. no wall needed..
Yeah but have you seen the rest of this build? He's going overboard on everything
@@kaydotzbetter to be safe than to be dead am i right
i will never complain about too much support, lol. you could pull a car motor with those stairs.
Lining the studs up with the stringers is a nice touch
Thanks
it will also be good if you added 2 steel braces going diagonal like an X to support it making it more stronger
Hope the site supervisor is getting an office/sleep area built under the stairs too ❤
Beautiful work.
So satisfying to see the stairs solid as a F**king rock at the end 😮💨😏👌
I can watch this all day
This is why I prefer a housed or semi housed stringer
My brother always said, "If you need something done right, pay someone who knows what they're doing to complete the job".
Quality work, good job ! 👍💯
I liked the puppy❤
That was a great reel!
Nice that they angle cut the sides of the cross stringer support, but did not need. I would have left that stay square for speed of job. Nice custom touch but not needed. Does not enhance nor take away from the support either way.
Awesome job! Thank you for sharing a great video.
Thanks for watching!
I would drywall the interior, add a door and cabinet shelves. It would make a nice storage place. Þ
Perfectly done! 👏
Cute little dog. ☺️
Beautiful measurements
Thanks
That little dog looks like he's enjoying this content.
He’s a trooper
Cut a board floor to step. Drill holes/bolt it!! Done and half the work
Good job , and ❤ ur coworker ! 😂
Excellent job
AHHH PRECISION WONDERFUL
Job well done 👍😊
now whatever kid that lives under there has a closet, pretty cool.
Now, add a plug on the left wall halfway up and to the left of the centre, , a switch on the wall and a light socket and frame up the outer wall with a half door. Kid playroom with TV on left wall and lighting. - You're welcome.
Only thing you missed was subfloor glue under all the woods contact points so there’s never any squeaks!!! Tear it down and start again!
You forgot to do the thing amig to the watchyoumacall it. Got to a Monday morning quarterback. Nice job.
Nice work 👍
Каркасособиральшики. Саморез без сомнения самое надёжное крепление. На века!
Thanks for the knowledge.
Start with putting some foam underneath the green plate. Then add your tap cons that would be the correct way sir
Gute Anleitung.
Süßes Hündchen. 🤩
I just stayed for the dog😂😂 look at it😂😂😂
I like the dog so damn cute.
Trabajo incompleto, debajo de la escalera se puede hacer un armario para meter trastos o lo que quieras 🤔🤔
as a former staircase maker, it's easy for me to see why that staircase is bouncy...
That first shot reminded me of that "think about it" short
It's basically a small scale demonstration of the purpose of the load bearing wall.😃👍For the sake of defying physics, let's say you have a house and the only load bearing walls the house has is its perimeter walls, but there's no interior load bearing walls for the first floor and second floor. Let's just say there's absolutely no LVLs or Glulamb beams either. The whole damn house would be like a wood stud trampoline like the stairs here in the beginning. You'd be bouncing everywhere, but coming back to reality you won't even get enough to time to enjoy that life sized trampoline, you'd just fall right through into the basement and whole house caving in on you and bam, dead once we bring back real life physics. Good short all around.
It always surprises me that in a country with more guns than people, people still build houses out of plywood.
That space underneath the staircase is asking for a good storage solution!
Usually, 2 in the top and 2 in the bottom at the same time is what causes a squeak
That was a good job
Using pressure treated indoors is wild 😂
no matter how dry concrete might seem, it's actually very moist. concrete isn't nice to many materials.
You still haven't reached the stone age.
Listo excelente carpintero....
in my grandmas house they put the support wall on the open face. which in turn made a storage closet
I hated geometry in high school, but your video makes me hate even more with a passion. Awesome video though. 😅
Thanks 😂
good work, a gasket under the 2x4 on the concrete would be best
No need it’s pressure-treated wood that’s rated to make direct contact with Concrete
Simple and effective math, don’t know why it wasn’t done to begin with
Nice kitty cat at the end.
😂
Oh that " Free masonary screws"😂😂😂😂😂😂
Beautiful!!!!
You’re damn right I like that contact, aw yis
Learning as I go. thank you
Thanks for watching