@@chexrnsfica Yeah, Dane Whitman is definitely a good theory. I just like the idea of it being Howard Stark as that makes a very fun easter egg regarding the two actors dating in real life. Sherriff Loki is a very cool idea. Great suggestion!
@@AbitofEverything4U thanks appreciate your work always let’s Hope captain America brave new world can get us started for a awesome year of MCU shows and movies
@ I just re watch what if seasons 2 ending pretty much all three seasons finale and they cheated us they had Western Loki aka Share of Loki was in one of the glass ball harkness dr strange supreme capture smh they could throw in a variant of Loki we didn’t see before but looking very forward to marvel’s zombie October 3rd my mom 62nd birthday that day as well hyped and fingers and toes all crossed
23:30 I don't know if someone else said it, but there was an official concept art for the episode that showed Dr. strange sacrificing himself doing a spell to make the chunks of earth livable after the emergence
46:57 maybe that line is a callback to our Vision's quote in Civil War when he was talking about how their very strength invites conflict and how it leads to catastrophe. Awesome breakdown, u made me appreciate some things that I didn't before!
The Emergence episode actually branches off even before Thor killing Thanos. It's very brief so I don't blame you for not noticing, hell I didn't even notice it, but you can see Brock Rumlow (pre-Crossbones), fighting as part of the alliance. Funny enough his very brief scene was reused animation from What If Captain Carter fought the HYDRA Stomper. The only difference is that the lighting is different and the direction he's standing is flipped. But because of this, this has to mean this universe branches off earlier in the timeline since Rumlow isn't burned or wearing the Crossbones gear. Also he's alive lol. So this must be a universe where HYDRA was never found out or a universe in which Rumlow was never part of HYDRA. Great video as always!
1. Happy New Year sir, main issue i have with the what if , is every universe need to have a designation and has to be told by the watcher himself. 2. 1st episode had a lot of amazing potential but they didn't used that much, nod to 90's marvel animation freaking cool but i didn't get the time jump, but thanks to your episode. i got that, Who's that girl watching cartoon episode? Marc Spector became moon knight in 2018 that's consistent. 3. The Mega-Hulk was inspired by the Devil Hulk, looks exactly like the devil hulk and astra islands reference is a nod to fury's line in AOU: Fury telling to Black widow, about quinjet and hulk crash near an island found via stark intel. That location is astra island. so, hulk never left earth and landed on sakaar, epic! 4. Abomizilla looks perfect because in the main mcu abomination was a result of bruce banner's blood, so he always laid dormant inside bruce banner, wow! Gamma Dough beasts was a nod to dr.arnim zola's doughboys! 5. What's Nuclear Gamma Absorbitron? 6. Whole episode taking place in 2025 is a sweet nod to pacific rim also happening in 2025, the finale fight. 7. EPISODE 2: will Agatha revert back to celestial Agatha once again? or does she have to absorb the powers of eternals and a celestial to become one again? 8. EPISODE 3: SO, In this Universe the red guardian is the foundling member of the avengers., and both cap and red guardian would try to get back bucky in the events of civil war? Backstory of iron man is very simple, caught by 10 rings organisation by razor fist or death dealer and also got the inspiration from Ho Yinsen. 9. Melina could still train the natasha and Yelena but Yelena minus the fatherly love, would be the most trained and skilled assassin with the taskmaster or she could be the taskmaster herself. 10. The positives about this episode are Winter Fox can be cured temporarily via love and care without directly cured by advanced wakandan or stark programming needed. This could happen in 2014 winter soldier movie with cap and red guardian curing him up. 11. Goliath must be replacing fury here as the consultant and also as a hero , Goliath and in this universe, Goliath could marry Ranger Morales and have a kid Miles Foster and this kid could end up becoming a Spider-Man or Ant Man. 12. This Universe Avengers may help Natasha and Red Guardian to free Melina N Yelina from the red room like THE AVENGERS VS THE WINTER GUARD Formed by Dreykov or Melina. 13. Red Guardian would easily blend in with Hawkeye, Thor , Widow and Hulk. 14. Speaking of CAMEOS: Yelena as a blond baby crying in aeroplane, Cyke and Jean Grey in Las Vegas. 15. EPISODE 4: I don't wanna get Raunchy, but i will, No offense - Kat Dengingcan literally deliver 4 celestial eggs if she need, that's how epic and lovely lady she is... 16. Basically, This earth/timeline is a utopian paradise,humans and aliens integrated their culture,customs ,tech and everything. SHIELD Is an intergalactic organization, That's MATT MURDOCH WITH KAREN PAGE Invited for the Grandmaster's Diner. Need More episodes from BYRDIE. 17. EPISODE 5: Bonkers episode.... Mysterio's look is inspired by 616comics, concept art is just wallpaper material, This whole episode is taken from the blueprints of S5 OF AGENTS OFSHEILD 2091 POST APOCALYPTIC EARTH, MY THEORY IS THAT GRAVITONIUM WAS ALSO PART OF TIAMUT LIKE THE ADAMANTIUM, AND GRAVITON ABSORBING GRAVITONIUM VIA QUAKE'S POWERS LED TO TIAMUT LEAVING EARTH.IF THEY CANONISE AOS THEN, THIS THEORY IS WORKS PRETTY WELL. 18. In the Main Mcu timeline in the year 2024, all the characters appeared in this episode have made their debuts, Mysterio - FFH, Valykrie easter egg in FFH, Eternals - 2024, Yin Nan in shang chi,2024, Moustache Wong 2024, Okoye serving has kin to king's death bed - 2024, white vision still searching for the tommy/speed-2024, BARF,PROJECT CATRACT-WHITE VISION, EDITH, wereused by mysterio in this episode was spine chilling.Power Broker - 2024, Iron heart first suit up design - 2024, White Vision killing avengers was terrifying. 19. DOC STRANGE'S ULTIMATE SACRIFICE WAS PROTECTING THE REMANANTS OF BROKEN EARTH VIA SPELLS,COOLEST! I wish ALLIANCE HAD MORE SCREEN TIME. SYNTHETIC IRON HEART VS MYSTERIO WAS SO,INCREDIBLE, GOOSEBUMPS SAME AS SPIDEY:FFH SCENE. 20. Your Timeline placement for this episode is wild... 21. EPISODE 6: This another awesome episode, firstly with cameos from this universe alligator loki and throg are from? Cross Bones, Medusa, Isaiah Bradley as pirates -Aww struckinggg!!in the flashbacks, that guy left of xu xialing looks like Druid, i think the original HOOD could be WENWU/Mandarin. Project Pegasus / Point Pegasus is basically SCHNELLZUG EB912 locomotive train + 10 rings added (powered by the arc reactor/tesseract) the same train was used in 1945-Cap 1 movie : Bucky falling and losing his arm towards the death!! FASTUS MACHINE - PERSUASION TECH EASTER EGG ,WOW!! 22. KWAI JUN FUN - SECOND IRON FIST- Was Mentor to Shang Chi, Wen WU, Death Dealer and Thunderer/Lei Kung who is the father of Davos/Steel Serpent and Master of Davos and Danny Rand- I am sure, he will be appearing in Eyes of Wakanda series. Shang Chi becoming his mentor would be crazyyyyy!!! Hope, he doesn't get consumed by the HOOD. 23. HAWKETTE AND SHANG CHI ARE ADORABLE PAIR, WILD WILD EAST!! 24. EPISODE 7: EMINENCE WAS FRICKING COOL AND GAVE ME HEART THUMPS WITH THAT VOICE AND DIALOGUES…EPICC!! NO UATU, NO NARRATOR .SO, NO NARRATION FOR THE STORM IN THIS EPISODE, BUT MY GUT SAYS, SHE COULD BE FROM EXILED KANG UNIVERSE (ANT MAN 3’S KANG). 25. EDWIN JARVIS, WHITE VISION, INFINITY ULTRON - VISION QUEST! 26. EPISODE 8: CAPTAIN CARTER WAS GOATESS - ENIGMA FORCE - CAPTAIN MULTIVERSE!! STEPHEN STRANGE AS A UNIVERSE, DANK FARIKKK!! SEASON 4 would be basically be about the INFINITY WARPS STORYLINE. 27. WEAPON T - CYKE X WOLVERINE X THANOS , RIRI AS PUNISHER COULD BE THE SAME UNIVERSE FROM EP5, 6 ARMED SPIDEY FROM SEASON 1 ZOMBIE EPISODE, I WISH HE WOULD APPEAR IN MARVEL ZOMBIES SERIES, SORCERER MAESTRO, SAMURAI GHOSTIE, GAMORA AS GORR THE GOD BUTCHER,SKRULL CAP, PRESIDENT LOKI, CENTURIAN NOVA, SHANG LORD, DEADPOOL KILLS MARVEL MULTIVERSE - MY FAV ONESSSIEES!! PRETTY MUCH ALL! 28. EXPLAIN - C1000 AND C500? 29. On the whole, it was a great video , through this breakdown I learnt things, I couldn’t catch It earlier because I didn’t know, great and amazing video, as always love ur video..
Loved your feedback. You had me chuckling away at some of your epic comments. As for c1000 and c500, that means the branch happened circa 1000 and circa 500, which is a way of saying we don't know the exact date, but that's around the time the branch likely occurred. I hope the timeline book gives us more specific dates.
I like the multiple "Trees" concept because it explains how the main Marvel Cinematic Universe is 616 while also the main Marvel Comics Universe is 616 because with the multiple "Trees" it means more than one Multiverse. And the "some leaves touch each other" part can explain how variants of the Film and TV characters can appear in other media, i.e Tom Holland and Andrew Garfield variants showing up in the background of Spider-Geddon.
I love your multiverse model, and I really hope that's the model they're going with. Sadly, I think with how ambiguous theyre being, they're just going to end up going with EVERYTHING somehow being a branch and not elaborating.
Yeah, I think the model makes a lot of sense especially when we see what Kang showed Janet in Quantumania. But I also share your fear that Marvel might change things around without thinking about what they’ve already established in the past. Fingers crossed they keep it consistent!
I found it really interesting how Uatu said that we could see the branches created by strange supreme’s universe when he was talking to the other watchers, since that line implied that all of the watchers see all of the universes rather than only segregated portions of them. The eminence also explained that the purpose of watching was a realization that each watcher had to make on their own while abandoning any sense of an individualized identity in an attempt to be a neutral observer. I find it weird that the watchers would only be aware of one tree but the TVA would know about all of them.
Yeah, my guess is that the watchers can indeed see all of the trees. There was a watcher that appeared in the X-Men 97 Genosha episode and so I’m assuming that they’re observing all of the different trees. As for Doctor Strange’s universe, I’m betting those three watchers just ignored it because they were so annoyed that Uatu helped with its creation. So in a way, Uatu’s actions in season one and two resulted in the downfall of those three watchers. Pretty wild!
If Feige or someone say officially that X-Men 97 is part of Loki’s tree, it could explain the Storm variant and the Jubilee variant that we can see at the end of the final episode. So I just hope that Marvel confirm it one day.
I think it was cable and beast in x men 97 explaining the tree so we know we got Charles Francis Xavier binary and best and storm and wolverine are definitely in the MCU I like the ending wish they would have done more dope episodes witht eh different variants and I think the have several of kangs time chairs because they could have defeated different versions or Kang the 3rd season but f what if was made before they fired Jonathan Majors. Why is thor crying 😢?hope we find out in 2026 if not sooner
Something I just realized. Samurai Ghost Rider confirms a version of Ghost Rider could exist in the MCU, and they used the Robbie Rayas version from Agents of Shield. Another hint of AoS being canon? Or at least a branch.
Good question! I checked the transcript and only found references to Jotunheim, Vanaheim and Nornheim. I'm so surprised that it's never been mentioned as far as I can tell.
Tbf with the TVA comic, it's possible that Captain Carter isn't the what if version, just a variant. Also with spider-gwen, they have the comic rights to her. So there's nothing stopping them from putting her in a comic tie in to the mcu Also a cool little thing i noticed is When captain carter went cosmic she kinda looked like the characters Singularity, and Captain Universe
Good feedback! Yeah, I wondered if it was a Captain Carter variant in the comic, but at that point I don't know that I see the reason for using her in the comic, since it would be more fun (imo) to see the character we've been following in What If appear. But I agree, from a comics standpoint, using Spider-Gwen is okay...they just couldn't use her in live action. And that's a great point about Carter looking like Captain Universe. I totally agree!
I just know in my heart that Angie was one of the dancers in Stark's movie! Also Stane being Rook is a comic reference to him being King, leader of The Chessmen
I think Episode 7 actually shows that at least some of the universes we go to aren't branches of off 616 but full on other universes. Peggy calls it Xandar-625. I think she means universe 625 simply on Xandar as oppose to earth. So if they were on Earth it would be Earth-625. Like wise you can go to Xandar-616. When they have a number they are different trees like Earth-838 so Xandar-625 should be a different tree universe. I think your model still works, but this is post Loki so the 616 probably isn't Isolated from he forest of other trees anymore. Dr strange said it was impossible to travel between universes. He had to have meant travel between trees because he obviously knows timelines exists. But he must simply have been wrong because obviously the TVA does it. And now the Exiles can do it as well. Either their own tech or TVA tech has allowed them to travel between different trees.
I wondered about that… But keep in mind that Xandar-625 is the in universe that was created in season two, episode one. And of course, the watcher narrated in that episode that It was a branch off of the main 616 universe. So it was really confusing to have Peggy referring to it with a 625 designation which seems to imply a different tree when in reality we know it’s a branch off the 616 tree. My guess is Marvel wasn’t thinking about the issue of which tree it’s in but instead was trying to reinforce the idea that they’re going with the planet-universe designation. I think they just didn’t realize that it didn’t really make sense in that context. At least that’s the best I can do to try to understand the situation.
Great video, I really enjoyed this season, most of the episodes, references,Easter eggs and callbacks were amazing to see and how it tells us stuff about the main timeline. I did did not notice any of the agent carter references those were cool and I definitely agree that it's so close to being official canon, crazy seeing Kang and the TVA getting shout outs in this season was fun. Just like Kahhori I really like Brydie and hope to see some version of them in Doomsday and/or Secret Wars, I now definitely think we'll see Uata in Fantastic Four especially with marvel recommended the fantastic 4 comic with Uata on the cover. Cool to see the What If game reference and seeing Medusa was crazy. Also I like to headcannon Namor took the Titanic out of the ocean and either him or someone else got it into the upper atmosphere. Also happy new year 🎉
Hey one other cool What If I thought of is What If Tony Stark fought Wen Wu who teamed up with Trevor Slattery who got different elemental powers as a giant meteor is falling from space containing Fin Fang Foom. As you can see I took elements from the comics in order to make Trevor a physical threat to Tony and added a classic villain who was actually one of the original villains of Iron Man 1.
Thanks for sharing all your awesome feedback on the season. Yeah there was a lot to love about season 3 of what if. Also, wishing you a happy new year as well! 🎆🎆🎆
@@AbitofEverything4U Thanks 👍, also I've heard that apparently the creators of What If have hinted at What If or something similar continuing one day I hope that's true.
Right! Totally agree on that. The title had the year the episode took place, but the branch would have had to been way earlier for there to be a Kate and Shang Chi born in the 1800's. So I suspect the branch was hundreds of years prior, perhaps.
I wasn’t the biggest fan of the show, but I really enjoyed Kahhori, she’s such a great character, especially for being an original creation from marvel studios (:
The TVA comic talks about events from Loki Season 2 so it's definitely trying to be canon to the MCU, but the Spider-Gwen that appears is the same Spider-Gwen from the comics' Earth-65 and the comic spins-off from her own solo comic series. It also features the character of Jimmy Hudson, who was from the original Ultimate Universe (Earth-1610), who was arrested by the TVA during the Venom War event. The comic tries to act like the MCU and the comics are the same multiverse, and the TVA that has been in comics previously is the same TVA from the MCU. I don't think that idea makes sense, but it's the idea they're pushing nonetheless. A good example of why this doesn't work is the character Ouroboros. In the comics previously it was established that all TVA agents look exactly like Mobius, so Ouroborus looks exactly the same is Mobius. But the one from the MCU looks like Ke Huy Quan. That's not to mention Ouroboros was erased from existence by a weapon called the Retroactive Cannon in his one appearance prior to his MCU adaptation, so how could the Ouroboros from the MCU be the same? It makes no sense for the comics TVA and MCU TVA to be the same, but it also wouldn't make sense for them to be separate because how could there be more than one TVA? This comic completely breaks the continuity of the comics by trying to shoehorn an MCU connection
Agreed! The two drastically different histories just can't coexist unless they go into it in the comic and try and explain it all. I do believe that the comics multiverse and mcu multiverse are one in the same though, just given the nature of it, there can't be more than 1 multiverse but yeah it just can't fit
@thechimpmaster Very well said. To me, the biggest issue is that Feige has stated that the MCU is the live action adaptation of the comics. So, in other words, the two can't exist together. And I suspect Feige doesn't want the comics to be canon to the MCU or it means all of the lore from the comics have to apply to the MCU. What I've seen in general is that the comics like to present the MCU and the comics as being connected, but the MCU has never shown that to be the case. So until Feige himself declares the TVA comic is MCU canon, I'll consider it to be non-canon to the MCU. Still a cool comic, but not MCU canon.
I love every single detail you mentioned in your video. I've never seen anyone make such a good video about what if. I don't think the show has reached its potential. There were episodes in the show that I liked, but there were many elements that didn't satisfy. I hope they come back with bigger ideas. The anthology series could be better in this kind of thing. In season 4 or 5 of Agents of shield, we see an alternate time where Quake destroys the world. What I'm trying to say is exactly the same as Tiamut's destruction of the world. So we have seen the world being destroyed before and we saw that people on it somehow managed to survive. In my opinion, if agent carter is canon, then Agents of shield is canon. Another thing I don't like about the show is the balance of power of the characters. That's all I have to say for now. Thanks to everyone who contributed despite everything.
Add a character with a needlessly stupid name everyone will mispronounce, even you mispronounced it. Just call her leader, that’s what that silly word means.
Maybe if the Watcher hadnt gotten arrested we could've explored Storm's Universe next xD But yeah to anyone confused about how Black Widow and Iron Man still ended in the same path on the Bucky/Alexei Timeline, well lets keep in mind we have seen issues in the What If comics where characters wind up in another path but they still became the heroes they were meant to become in Comics-616, take the story where the spider bites John Jameson, Betty Brant or Flash Thompson, its self-explenatory, but at the end of the story its shown in each one of these realities Peter Parker still ends up becoming Spider-Man. or the What If Jane found Thor's hammer long before Mighty Thor in where she got the hammer, but at the end Donald Blake still winds up getting his memories back and becoming Thor again. I think we are seeing something similar here where yeah there was a big ripple in the timeline, but as Beast puts it in DOFP the current ends up correcting itself, so even with Howard living and Black Widow not ending up as Alexei's adoptive daughter, the current corrected itself sometime down the line
Actually, the first episode, titled What If... The Hulk Fought the Mech Avengers? branched in the year 2014 and I still think Bruce Banner joined the Avengers in 2012, but then instead of Steve Rogers meeting Sam Wilson, Bruce Banner was living in Washington D.C. working for S.H.I.E.L.D. I think Captain Carter along with Kahhori, Storm and Byrdie the Duck traveled to TVA and stole the Reset Charges, but then learned about the variants of He Who Remains, so they traveled to the Quantum Realm and found Kang the Conqueror's Time Sphere, then teamed up with Deadpool & Wolverine and defeated the Council of Kangs including Immortus, Rama-Tut and Centurion. Hope you had a wonderful New Years! can't wait to see what videos you do this year.
I really do like the idea of the first episode branching in 2014… But considering that we don’t see Bruce Banner with the avengers those cartoon fights, it sure seems that he wasn’t with the avengers and so the branch was earlier. Hopefully the timeline book will tell us one way or another. And those are good theories for how the exiles got the time pod. I really wish they would’ve told us. I’m so curious! And most importantly… Wishing you a happy new year as well!
Actually Stan Lee working for the Watchers makes alot of sense since he is in like everything Marvel across the Multiverse like Spider-Man or X-Men. Even in the Lego Games and Specials and maybe Big Hero 6 could be canon then since he also appears there in the Post Credit Scene
@@coolerkerl8469 oh yes they are, IN YOUR HEAD CANON 🤣🤣🤣. Bro, you've been listening to FAN theories that are yet to be true so say that they are connected when Disney confirms.
@@Wolverine_Logan_BestWhatICanDo Bro... Rapunzel and Flynn appear in Frozen and there are multiple references in Big Hero Six to Hans and Arendelle from Frozen. Those aren't theories, those are facts.
32:26 in the comics, the first chronological Iron fist was a female warrior named Fan Fei, Jun Fan is the Iron Fist from that time period though. When I first saw this kid, my first immediate thought was "is this the corpse they use in Iron fist season 2 to do the transfer spell", but upon further research, Orson Randall was the Iron Fist from 1948, the same date seen in the archived footage seen in season 2, and Jun Fan was the user prior to Randall. Orson Randall was also the adoptive father of Danny Rands father, essentially making him his grandpa.
I also would love if they brought the Agent Carter series back ... and resolve that cliffhanger. The only resistance I see is that it also tied in heavily with Agents of SHIELD. Peggy appears in a couple of flashbacks. Howard Stark as movie director is not a stretch when you realize that both Tony and Howard are modelled after Howard Hughes, a born-rich, eccentric mechanic, and also flamboyunt movie director.
Yeah, I would love to see them bring agent Carter back. I think that they could do it without bringing in agents of SHIELD, since they could do it without including the flashbacks from agents of SHIELD. And I agree, it would be great for them to resolve that cliffhanger from season two!
Its interesting that after Thors party, earth became a part of the wider galactic culture instead of being more separated like in the main timeline. For instance SHEILD has a galactic level of authority way before the canon one did. Other planets are popular tourist destinations, and major alien figures are known in earth culture and vise versa. Like the Grandmaster being well known on earth, or Dormomus cult being relocated to space.
Biggest reveal of the entire series was that the Watcher broke his oath to help (or possibly hook up with) Madisynn? This girl's life gets crazier and crazier by the show, and I am all for it.
@AbitofEverything4U now I kind of want a Marvel special presentation with Madisynn and Luis from Ant Man swapping stories. Kind of like a modern version of My dinner with Andre (yes I have some pretty weird tastes)
I enjoyed the season even though I feel like there is still so much lost potential by ending the series here but I guess it would be hard to write stories that don't conflict with upcoming Avengers movies Interestingly Benedict Wong did not return to voice his character for some reason, I wonder why? Also the idea of a child born during the Convergence being destined for greatness is an awesome concept I'd love to see utilized in the sacred timeline. And the concept of Strange Supreme becoming a sentient universe is also great (even though he didn't speak)- reminiscent of Dormammu's Dark Dimension (also voiced by Benedict Cumberbatch in the movie, interestingly enough). I think a Supreme Strange universe cameo could be possible for the multiverse MCU movies
Yeah, it does make me sad that the series had end. There was so much untapped potential. But I did like how they wrapped the storylines up pretty well and I thought that was an excellent ending for strange supreme!
Also I just wanted to point out that Agents of shield season 5 also did a similar concept to episode 5's emergence episode with Riri as with a destroyed earth as it was gravaton that destroyed their earth in a similar way as the emergence, as that's what that episode reminded me of.
Yeah… I thought that was really interesting how that agents of Shield season looked so similar to that destroyed earth that we saw in the what if episode. That’s gotta be intentional.
I hope at some point we see Loki (the variant holding the Multiverse together) meeting Uatu I could easily see like beginning of Doomsday or something them playing chess together.
@AbitofEverything4U Maybe he succeeds and then Loki and Uatu work together to find heroes from throughout the Multiverse to fight him basically being Nick Furys for this multiversal Avengers team.
The universe from episode 7, which is the same one from S2E1, is actually the 9th universe shown in the entire series. I guess Xandar being named 625 is no coincidence - 616 + 9 = 625.
I think that line about the watcher helping reed richards may be a reference to him perhaps appearing in Fantatic four first steps maybe trying to help him prevent his universe getting destroyed by galactus
52:00 This is HUGE deathlock was in Agents of Shield. 53:15 YOOO? Ghost Rider was another character they were told was off-limits. 53:22 She's wearing Gor's outfit,
28:20 i interpret it more as actual parallel lines. What we've been told of different universes that arent connected with each other is that they are usually rings, that from a point just look like a straight line, these are stacked on top of each other, meaning they are parallel to each other. Being basically literal parallel universes with each having their own alternate realities
Yeah… I’ll be honest I had always assumed when that word was used that it meant parallel as in parallel lines and thus it matched what he who remains showed us in Loki’s series with the stacked universes. So it really threw me off when the watcher referred to branches in the tree as being parallel. But one theory I’m hearing now is that maybe the branches he’s discussing in episode six actually are in separate universes. So maybe he did mean parallel as in parallel lines
Concerning the episode where Tiamut emerged: Wasn't there a season in Agents of Shield where Gravaton did that exact thing: break the whole earth into chunks? And then Daisy Johnson (Quake) went back in time and prevented that.
Yes, that’s a great point… The Earth did get very badly destroyed in agents of shield season five. Almost makes me wonder if they were paying homage to that season.
What a season! Wish so badly it didnt have to end here. I've said it before and I'll say it again - 2025 is going to be the year of Superheroes! Between FF, Superman, and everything in-between, we're looking at the dawn of a very exciting year!
If they do make an exile / Guardians of the Multiverse series, they could show us those are universes Glimpse at the end. Also, it's really cool. Despite Chadwick boseman's passing that T'Challa Star-Lord is still at least semi part of the Guardians. Really love Uatu the Watcher's overall story throughout the show. Happy New Year, man. I hope you and your family have a good one
That’s a great point… An exiles show could give us a lot of those crazy variants. And yeah, that was nice to still see T’Challa as part of the guardians of the Multiverse. Wishing you a happy new year as well!
It seems like this season was setting up a lot of future plots and characters for the MCU imo. Ep 1 - New Avengers team and World War Hulk. Ep 3 - Red Guardian and Buckey dynamic for Thunderbolts, Ranger Morales maybe teasing Miles (?) Ep 5 - Riri Williams and the eventual return of White Vision, maybe even Mysterio too because while cool, kind of an odd choice for this episode Ep 6 - The Hood Introduction Ep 7+8 - The Exiles possibly appearing in Doomsday or Secret Wars
I think, in my opinion, that the latest variant of Captain Carter is not Lady Thor, I think it is Valkyrie. Sersi's variant could be dancing with Dane Withman, perhaps. And about the last one, I really wracked my mind trying to guess what it could be, but I think you really made a good point, because it certainly looks like Captain Marvel Nova.
That’s a really good theory that it could be Valkyrie for that last captain Carter variant. And I definitely agree that Dane Whitman is the safer pick for dancing with Sersi, but the idea that they might be making a reference to the real life actor’s relationship is also pretty cool. Awesome feedback. Thanks so much for watching the vid and sharing your thoughts!
@@AbitofEverything4U I agree with Howard Stark too. I didn't know the actors were dating until I saw your video. And after you mentioned it I see it as a pretty tangible possibility. I really hope that one of the producers clarifies some of these references in interviews because I would really like to know.
This Paint Universe thing has become an obsession for you, and you're drawing far-reaching conclusions from something that appears on screen for about one second. But if there's one thing we learn from the third season of What If...?, it's that alternative universes and timelines are the same. There aren't any "other trees"-what you see at the end of Loki's second season is the entire multiverse branching out from the Sacred Timeline.
I don’t know why, but I just love the paint universe. I just want to visit there for one day… Just one day! But also it seems to me to prove that it can’t possibly be a branch off of 616. However, I think far more important than the paint universe is that Kang showed how incursions occur between two disconnected universes. That’s the biggest reason I think there are multiple trees. But hopefully we’ll learn the answer For certain when fantastic four comes out. Anyway, really appreciate you watching the vid and sharing your thoughts. Thanks so much. Wishing you a happy new year!
Therr is plenty of evidence that proves you are wrong and that therr are several tree/stacked universes unless marvel decides to throw all that away and retcon it
The visual of earth being destroyed in episode 5 is VERY reminiscent of the destroyed earth from season 5 of Agents of Shield. I still think it’s entirely possible the destruction in that show was triggered by Graviton but was actually caused by Tiamut, and I may be a bit insane trying to connect dots but it’s not impossible this could be an incidental Easter egg.
I agree… Lotta similarity to the destroyed earth from agents of shield. And I love the idea of Tiamut actually being part of what caused that destruction
Kinda wish they make an episode about What If "all early 2000s marvel heroes (such as Raimi Spiderman, Ben Affleck Daredevil, JG Elektra, etc) take place in mcu" especially knowing back then they had an idea to make all these movies to be take place in one universe, basically the og mcu before mcu that never exist. I would love if we could see an alternate world where these characters coexist
Okay so parallel universes being mentioned in this and the FF trailer tells me that this phenomena will be different from the multiverse we’ve seen so far. Maybe the reason HWR was keeping the sacred timeline nice and tidy is because when you don’t, you run the chances of running into parallel realities (sacred timeline runs parallel but the messy tree intersects!) and this is what actually causes incursions. 838, FF, 616, 10005 are all parallel universes while the other What If scenarios are just part of the 616 multiverse?
I think you nailed it! I think all of the What Ifs episodes are direct branches off of 616 and then the parallel universes such as 838 and 10005 will end up, causing incursions with Loki tree
Agent Carter is currently showing between Cap America and Cap Marvel on the “Complete MCU Timeline” section of Disney+. I wasn’t sure if that was anything new
Great question! I should’ve mentioned in the video that the one shot is in the timeline, but that the two seasons of her show are not. But I’m hoping that changes soon!
@ Ah, bummer! I completely assumed it was the show even though AoS was not there. Hopefully they’re acknowledged eventually Keep up the great work and have a happy new year!
The Avengers in episode 3: Howard Stark probably helps Tony, who’s now closer with him due to the near death accident, to create the Iron Man suit. Steve is still found. Nat was already part of the Red Room, maybe Yelena is spared from going through it but Nat gets everything minus the mission in Ohio. Barton still spares her. Banner still experiments Thor still shows up. SHIELD still works on the Tesseract.
Awesome video for yet another awesome season of what if, probably my favorite. I do have a few bullet points I’d love to hear your thoughts on though: For Agatha’s universe considering we know her backstory and motivations I’d argue the branch is at some unspecified earlier point for her motivations and goals to have changed so much. I don’t think it’s just when start starts his movie company. I also absolutely think the game is canon now, with several direct references at the end, and it only having very minor issues I don’t have any reason to think it’s not canon. Speaking of canon, no doubt that agent Carter will be canon soon (and likely agents of shield since they crossed over) While I was totally with your multiversal layout, I now think that lokis tree covers everything, as it seemed like they were trying to indicate, especially with the line of Xander and then the other earth. You even bring that up which is why I’m confused as to how you still think it’s just 616 and its branches. Captain Carter straight up says she’s in another not 616 world. And man I REALLY hope we get exiles in the mcu that sounds like such a great idea. Also I’ve heard the kahorri comic is canon to the mcu, the TVA comic may or may not be and the friendly neighborhood Spider-Man comic released I’d really love you to take a look at these, even discussing the TVA comic even if it’s not canon to see why or how anything may relate to the mcu
Great feedback as always! On the Agatha branch being earlier in the timeline, I could imagine it being earlier. I think 2027 is the latest it could be, but it could be anytime before that. As for the what if game being canon, I’m not sure if you watched my video on it, but there are definitely some major… Like humongous issues with the game. Like not the least of which is Wong transports them outside the Multiversal tree to do battle. I just don’t see any way that can be considered canon. I think the characters appearing with those variants was just a nice wink and a nod to the game. I definitely agree that agent Carter, and perhaps even AoS are well on their way to becoming canon. I think the fact that Captain Carter was not working with the TVA means that the Xander numbering was more of a coincidence than meaning that that branch is outside the tree. So I didn’t see any episodes that I would consider to be in a non-616 world. I would love to see an exile series if Marvel can pull it off. And I will be keeping an eye on the TVA comic to see whether it makes an attempt to tie into what we saw on what if
I think that may actually be a Dr. Strange variant instead of the Carol Danvers variant from the What If game. Whatever the figure is has the comic cross-like symbol from Dr Strange's costume. And nice catch on the Lea Thompson reference. I literally just rewatched Howard the Duck like a month ago and completely missed that reference.
Good suggestion on it being a Dr. Strange variant. I could totally imagine that being the case. And yeah, the Mrs. Switzler reference was really clever. I loved all the Easter eggs in these episodes.
17:55 Grandmaster, Carina, Melina Vostokoff, Okoye and Wong were all replaced by soundalike actors this season despite having their MCU actors voice them in previous seasons, it's very odd.
Yeah, that was very odd. Especially since some of the lines were so small, it seems like they would’ve been willing to do it. But maybe they charged too much?
32:42 I can get Kate Bishop as a favourite but Sonny Burch? Of course don’t let me change your opinion but him over characters like Ultron, The Winter Soldier, The Guardians, The Avengers.
lol...very good point. Sonny doesn't hold a candle to the others you listed. I was really just saying I love that actor. He always makes me smile. Thanks so much for watching the vid and sharing your thoughts. Really appreciate it!
27:42 Stan Lee is technically "The God of Marvel" so he's omnipresent in every Universe, that Stan is "an Avatar" like the Stan of Fox Movies, the Stan of X-Men Movies and the Stan of Sony Movies... So yes, he's the same Stan of all MCU Movies.
Sorry if I'm being dense but isn't the Hela episode set about a thousand years ago. At one point Hela suggests heading to Scandinavia to find the vikings placing her between 800 - 1100 AD pretty much bang on "about a thousand years ago" meeting Wenwu soon after finding the 10 rings.
Great question! So we know that Thor was born 965 AD. So that means Hela actually banished before that point. And so if Wenwu only had the rings for 1000 years that would be 2024-1000 or 1014 AD. So it doesn’t look like it works for him have only had the rings for 1000 years.
This season gave me a few questions. 1. What's the deal with the Celestials. They existed before the Multiverse and yet are somehow affected by Time and Space. My personal head canon is that the Celestials are linked with the Infinity Stones and that when the Infinity Stones branch, so do the Celestials. Because that's the only way it makes sense for Beings before Time and Space to be effected by branching. (Now that I think about it the Dark Elves also existed before Space and Time, but they aren't god like beings so it actually makes more sense for them.) 2. What's the deal with Galactus? They know enough about him to make him a foosball table character. Based on what they did with the Celestials, I'm worried that a version of Galactus might exist in every branch. Which makes no sense. I'm hoping that maybe only 1 Galactus exists per stacked Multiverse (what we see in Loki S1 E5). 3. Does the Watcher watch only 616 or the whole Greater Multiverse. When Loki S1 came out an article was written about Kang on the Offical Marvel Website and it said something very interesting. "After a variant of himself discovered different multiverses and started traveling around, sharing knowledge and information, everyone lived in peace for a while - until a war broke out." So that scene from Loki S1 E5 was described as He Who Remains discovering other Multiverses plural. Which goes with the idea that the 616 tree isn't everything in the Multiverse just 616 branches. We know from What-If Interactive that the Watcher knows of the TVA. (Yes, I believe the fact that we see them in S3 makes that game canon.) We also see a Kang time chair in S3. So the question is does the Watcher watch those other Multiverses and those Kangs, similar to the TVA. You would think yes. But the Watcher constantly refers to the Multiverse as singular. But then he also uses Parallel Realities which suggests untouching branches. But then in S2, he calls Loki's Tree the whole Multiverse. But then he says Tree's plural in his metaphor. I'm convinced at this point that the people working on What-If just aren't fully in the loop with the whole Greater Multiverse plan.
Awesome feedback! Yeah, I’ve always wondered about the celestials and whether or not they could actually branch if a nexus event occurred. It seems like they exist inside a universe, so I guess they should therefore branch. But it is kind of weird to consider that they existed before the universe was formed. So it does kind of hurt your head a bit. I just think that once the universe was formed, now they’re in it and so therefore they can branch. Galactus on the other hand is even more of a mystery. There are rumors that he might be similar to America Chavez, where there is only one of him across the Multiverse, but I’m guessing they’re not gonna go that direction. We’ll have to wait for fantastic four to learn more. I would like to know more of the lore around whether or not the watchers watch everything across the Multiverse or whether one watcher only watches one tree. I suspect we didn’t get that answer because the show didn’t want to discuss the other trees across the Multiverse. And I agree that what if has always confused me in how it refers to the Multiverse and yet also seem to focus only on Loki’s tree. I would say this season was the most confusing of the three when it came to that issue. Anyway, great feedback. Thanks so much for sharing all your thoughts!
Yeah, I touch on that a little bit later in the video. I think that the variants from the game were just a nice wink and a nod to the game. There’s so many issues with the game that make it seem like a nonstarter to be canon in my mind. Not sure if you’ve seen my video on it but things like doing the final battle outside the Multiverse tree was way over the top. Cool concept, but I just don’t see how Marvel would want that to be canon.
@@AbitofEverything4U I can definitely see how some things wouldn't square perfectly with the show or the rest of the MCU, but I can also see in both the good and the bad ending how it connects to Season 3 and the new roster of Guardians (the good ending) and Deadpool & Wolverine as well as the TVA comic (the bad ending), which I do believe the TVA comic is canon. The Peggy in that comic is a Variant who goes by Captain Britain, not Captain Carter. The easiest way to bring the show and the comic together is that animated Peggy posed as Captain Britain and stole the Reset Charges lol
Happy New Year. Episode 1: I liked it, although it had things I didn't like, for example the title, it is a question I don't think anyone would ever make since up to that point the MCU didn't introduce a concept lf Mech Avengers, and Hulk didn't even fight them, Banner hide himself from the world so the whole title makes no sense. They should called it "What If... Banner tries to get rid of Hulk" or something like that. There is also the problem with the duration of the episode to show the characters, we barely see the mechs fighting and worse of all, Moon Knight is working with the Avengers despite the fact that we didn't see him interact with any hero in the main 616 timeline, and also he is suppose to have an identity disorder so they would probably think is a big risk in the team (but it seemed like they ignored that). Since he was the one who wanted to attack Godzilla Hulk I guess if the episode was longer he would serve as a minor antagonist or something Episode 2: I wonder if that Agatha lost her son, because she agreed with Kingo easily. Episode 3: a very funny episode. It was cool that they add Stane to the puzzle of Howard's dead, but I think before that we all asume Winter Soldier knew because Hydra was infiltrated in SHIELD and Howard was working there. So in a way it feels like it doesn't add much. One detail I didn't like was that Bucky resisted the mind control easily when they could have Red Guardián stopping the book guy from saying the words. Not only Stane died, Tony's parents are alive and he still became Iron Man apparently. Also a lot of things should change, like Winter Soldier movie or Civil War Episode 4: you either like it or not. I didn't, but it was cool to have characters returning from other movies. Coulson come back too, and if we don't cound AofS as canon this is probably the Coulson that survived the longest time since the cosmic event of Thor 2 happened and he is still alive. Episode 5: Good episode, but it felt like everything happened fast. I don't know abot the logistics, but having the planet in parts would probably destroy the atmosphere or something like that, wouldn't it? Episode 6: My favourite of the season, I'm still wanting for a Shang Chi sequel so it was cool to see him back and Kate too. I think the episode was solid even with the weird wild west theme. I think ep 6 happens in a paralel/alternative universe and not in a branch timeline since everything seems to go with that wild west theme. I wonder if Birch boss is the Hood (or someone related to Hood) in the main timeline too.
Awesome, awesome, Bit. Quite a breakdown and easter eggs reveal for season 3. So many (e.g. foosball table) that went right over my head, Lol. Props and thanks a bunch!👍
6:11 I assume given the circumstances Russia probably bailed him out to fight these monsters 7:15 Guess hydra never infiltrated 8:21 I have a crazy theory I like to share: I think in this universe the snap happened and thanos was successful. It would explain why heroes like ant-man or doctor strange never appeared. Because if all the OG 6 and more importantly Tony died they never find time travel and I would say all the remaining heroes earth don’t stand a chance against Thanos or the black order. 8:41 Imagine if they had the rights to Kull. This would have a perfect Easter to include “in the beginning there was darkness ruled by a King In black but he was imprisoned and light was allowed to flourish. Never knew about the Agent Carter Easter eggs that’s cool Love the reveal it was Stane that placed a hit on Howard and Maria. Kinda blanked on who the bald dude was until I remember him. 16:01 Tony would still be captured by the ten 10 regardless if stane was involved or not. Maybe WenWu is in charge? GOD I WISH THAT WAS AN EPISODE. Widow is the bigger question. It would have been so cool if agent may from AoS was in her place instead. We know she was consided. It also would finally canonize AOS. 18:15 It’s the fact he has RED glasses. Yeah that’s at least an Easter egg. 18:57 I must point out in the main mcu Thor actually interrupted the convergence. So this bit of lore makes sense. However since Maliketh is still a villain in this universe I wonder if he missed his opportunity. 21:13 Dope skrulls are there as Fury’s bodyguard. since earth is more intergalactic the skrulls no longer need to hide themselves. So maybe Gravik is happy in now. 22:27 There also many instances where it feels like riri could have died like when she escapes and her jacket barely worked or when white vision closes in on her 32:51 after seeing the Fallout tv show I wished they made him a cowboy as well. 33:08 I’ll take back to this I think episode may have spoiled Ironheart 43:17 Theory: I think the hood we will meet in the mcu played by Anthony Ramos will be reveal to have corrupted the guy wearing it. Because that’s NOT how it works in the comics and I don’t see what if.. making such a drastic alterations unless the mcu did it first. And they are working for Sunny Burtch. 34:19 this leads me another point: I think the Iron Fist in the eye of Wakanda show will be this one but he’s gonna main mcu canon. Why else would they show this very specific character? We know they wanted to an iron fist Shang chi episode but marvel told them not too. Was it because they have plans? 35:51 Oh baby that has interesting implications. Given this was made before they officially booted kang. It kinda worked out. 39:56 I’ll be so sad if this is the closest we’ll get to an exiles thing. Blink is the mascot of the team and I doubt we’ll get them as the multiverse will be phased after secret wars. 42:50 The writers confirmed they wanted to use beta ray bill but couldn’t. Does that mean we’ll see him in Thor 5? 44:50 This also indicates is the watcher shut up he wouldn’t have altered infinity Ultron in season 1 46:04 I don't think that comic is for the mcu. It's just there to make the tva more inline with what the show loki did because the tva in te comics before the show are way different 51:48 Does this imply she is a mutant? Could we see her in an mcu x-men line up?
I don’t see how you get all these other characters who haven’t appeared before in the sacred timeline (Reed Richards, Storm, Ghost Rider Etc.). How can a character exist in a Branch of the sacred timeline, but not exist IN the sacred timeline? Thats like saying an Oak Tree can produce Pine Cones, it just doesn’t make sense to me.
Good question! To me, it’s the same way that you get Kahhori in a branch, but not in the main timeline. Basically different events happen and different characters end up being created. I agree that it seems strange on the surface, but I think what what if is trying to say is that if the branch is early enough in time you can end up with very, very different results,
I have everything to say of "What If...?" Season 3, and episodes 1-4 so far! Part 1. Episode 1: 1. "Gamma brought this monster, I gotta believe it can take it out," No, Bruce, there's no reason to believe that and goes in line with the idea that they could just shoot Mega Hulk (who just literally smoked their enemy) with those tiny guns on their destroyed Gundam? I mean, I like the enthusiasm, but even Konshu should see that "light them up" ain't going anywhere, lol, and It isn't a story about the Hulk if it doesn't have someone's immediate reaction to the Hulk be to riddle him with bullets. 2. "More gamma will solve the gamma problem" is Bruce's logic at the beginning of the episode, when he created that very monster... The entire story is about Bruce not learning from his mistake and that same logic is then used to solve the problem as well, meaning he didn't learn anything on that front, and the X-Men '97 also used the talk no jutsu at the end... and both were executed a thousand times better than Naruto. Well, let's be honest, Kishimoto's talk no jutsu always. 3. “Khonshu says," Light him up! "” This small dose of Marc Spector was great, but I need more, Him and Shang-Chi were a surprise to see. I genuinely thought, "Why did Moon Knight get a mech?" Probably not a lot of heroes left, A lot of heroes would have di*d in original gamma war. Episode 2: 1. Agatha energy absorption might be the most OP thing in the MCU, and I think the most fun power to work with is being able to control music like Dr.Strange and Sinister Strange did in that one scene from Multiverse of Madness, but they all have cosmic energy in them therefore she can absorb the energy, different kind of absorption from MCU agatha, prolly she had control of her powers now. 2. Were those noises Arishem was making when he was zooming through space, and so, does this confirm there are different variants of the celestials in every timeline? this is the same Arishem as that we saw in Eternals on the Sacred Timeline. FWIW, that's what I always assumed, but you had those out there that were certain the MCU's Celestials were multiversal in nature. this arishem also used a bifrosty-type thing to travel through space, whereas before, he used a black hole to travel instantaneously. 3. “It‘s the house that will make you question the decency of capitalism“ 😂 (Jarvis is just great), and Kingo and Agatha are actually such cool duo. Really liked this one. Nice to see more from the Eternals Mythos! Ajak, Makkari, Thena, and Gilgamesh mentions were great, too!! All things considered since Howard Starks Actor is married to Gemma Chan who plays Sersi, I really wish we could have gotten Sersi in here somehow, and Honestly with how low key Sersi is too, I genuinely wonder what she's doing in this time. Episode 3: 1. The cut to Uatu as they jumped the cliff got me good, and The Watcher sees everything, but he is surprised 2 guy driving off of a cliff 🤣🤣 just likes to get caught up in the moment. This is a liked episode because it did a key event in history of what the canon 616 MCU presented and did a what if scenario on it. Not just some random characters teaming up and doing something that’s not related to the 616 MCU canon, and it did a key event in history of what the canon 616 MCU presented and did a what if scenario on it. 2. S.H.I.E.L.D. is still compromised by Hydra at the time. Simply S.H.I.E.L.D a la Bill Foster captured the winter soldier after he kil*ed the Russian general and let Alexei flee. S.H.I.E.L.D. puts him into "rehab," and Alexander Pierce sends him back to Hydra then to Russia. In the MCU, we know that Bucky's brainwashing is never fully removed until he goes to Wakanda. So, while he temporarily overrides the programming, it can still be brought back. So Bucky is back in russia to get reprogrammed so The Winter Soldier movie can happen, and assumedly, a version of TWS will happen with Bucky and Steve, and perhaps Alexei getting involved due to the connections he had with Bucky that we see in this episode. 3. Was it odd to anyone else that this random park ranger ended up having all this military and firepower authority by the end of the episode? Was she intended to be someone else? Her character’s surname is Morales, so it's definitely an Easter egg since Miles’ dad is also a cop. also played by America Ferrera so could possibly connect to something in live action down the line and given that America is also Latina, like Rio Morales, I wonder if this is them softly introducing the character, and then later in live action. Because it's a curious choice to have America Ferrera here in this as just some random character. Episode 4: 1. Couples cliff diving on Vormir sounds like an unforgettable experience. It's good to see Coulson and Yondu. Loki is on to something, Jotunheim can be the intergalactic Aspen, and imagine if in Endgame, Natasha jumps off the cliff, only for Clint to realize afterwards that someone else got there first and grabbed the soul stone, so she di*s for nothing. I can't stop laughing about the delivery of "Fury out!". It was like they went with the goofiest possible take. 2. “This was fun, but I’ve got an orgy to get to” was one of the last lines I expected from a Marvel show. It's totally in line for Zeus though, fun to have him finally reappear. Also, crazy that Josh Brolin showed up to do only a couple of lines for Thanos, but I’m glad he’s here “YOU CALLED ME FOR AN EGG???!” 3. She’s a What If Original character like Kahhori, voiced by Natasha Lyonne as an adult in an upcoming episode according to reports. I’ve read the character name, so since Darcy called the baby ‘Byrdie’ I put 2 and 2 together, and it's an MCU OC like Kahhori. This was the craziest and funniest episode so far... At first, i was like....wa...wa...wait... not the duck banging darcy lewis, but later, the ep did get fun, haha. Loved all the cameos of all villains, which was totally crazy , i legit cracked up when thanos and his gand popped up. Lol🤣
Besides "Goddess Storm", the universe I wanted to see the most is "Sorcerer Supreme Hulk/Maestro". As for this last season, it was pretty underwhelming for me at least.
Yeah, both “goddess storm” and “sorcerer supreme Hulk/ maestro” would be incredible to see more of. And I agree, while I liked some of the episodes a lot… Such as the Agatha episode… I think overall it was the weakest season out of the three.
Been waiting for this video all week! I really hope Agent Carter and Agents of Shield's get put in the main mcu sacred timeline! Also Sharon Carter would be a amazing if she shows up in Captain America Brave New World I think marvel should do more shows like the shows before Disney plus… longer stories… little references to the main timeline! I really want a political lower budget spy show but with mcu characters Sharon Carter, Nakia, Ross and maybe some agents of shield characters! It’s probably just me, but I really like the grounded stories alongside the big action blockbusters! Have a wonderful holiday season! Looking forward to all the breakdowns in 2025!
What I've noticed in terms of how the MCU is numbering all their earths is that they always do 3 digits unless it was previously established: "616" 838 625 The What If video game earths Even the Venomverse 688 (granted that cause cause they just took the number from the Marvel wiki) But what's cool is that they respect already established earth numbers like 10005 (except 199999 lol)
Hi there I liked the finale of this season despite its flaws, though I still wonder if those variants that we see in the post credits scene were scrapped or being added into future projects
I think Carter stole the reset charges after stumbling upon a branch where the TVA was actively apprehending Kang variants and she probably killed the Kang(s) and stole the pod(s).
Episode 1: Lot of fun, I liked it. Honestly felt a bit more like what should have had the opening from Episode 6 just because of how wacky it was and how crazy some of the other episodes this Season would be, but whatever. Still loved seeing Kaijus in the MCU. Episode 2: It was also fun, but I don't know, it just wasn't speaking to me. I like making use of elements from The Eternals, seeing Agatha steal their power is also cool, but I just didn't quite get why it needed to be in Hollywood. Why the movie angle? I guess to get Kingo there, but I wouldn't have minded seeing Agatha face off against the other Eternals, too. Sadly left me wanting more, but I'm very interested to see where this goes regarding Agent Carter. Episode 3: My favorite. Seeing Red Guardian find the humanity in Winter Soldier, and their dynamic throughout the episode was just excellent. You can tell the actors also had a lot of fun with this one. Also it's great seeing Goliath again. I want to see more stories from the younger versions of the old heroes so that we can really get a sense of that larger world Nick Fury was telling Tony Stark about. Also as for that final image of the episode, I feel like this is more of just a gag than a literal depiction of what happened later in the timeline, but maybe it all still works out in a similar fashion. Episode 4: I love this episode. It's so stupid, it's so ridiculous, but it's so funny, and now I kind of want more. Howard the Duck could pull off a spinoff in the MCU main timeline or otherwise if it stays animated. Oh man, and dude, elements introduced in Thor: The Dark World, one of the worst outings of the MCU, still has relevance 10 years later, can you believe it?! At this point it's got to be an ongoing joke just to retroactively make that movie better because of just how important it has become. Episode 5: I hate it. Just not a fun watch. The premise is not bad, but its execution is just not what I was hoping for. Sad to see that both Eternals related episodes didn't work much for me since I do like the movie and want to see those characters utilized more, except they weren't even in this episode, which feels like a missed opportunity if they are just left on the planet and not taken away by a Celestial. Episode 6: This is another good episode, I just wish we got to see what some of the other heroes looked like in this time period. So my guess for its origin point may have something to do with The Mandarin. Maybe he found Ta Lo sooner met his wife, that would at least explain why Shang-Chi and Xai-Ling are around so much earlier. Then everyone else may just be coincidences that look and sound like people we know, or perhaps time travel is involved and The Hood maybe came back in time, and that just caused a branch where a lot of people come together and make babies and after a few generations that eventually results in familiar characters we know faster than normal and they pop out 150 years earlier than expected. Or time is actually running much slower, but doesn't affect human physiology, but still the rate of progress. It's clear that what the writers really wanted to do was have a Wild West episode, but didn't want to get too bogged down in the how and why of it all, which is why Watcher just says, "Things are weird, just accept it." Episode 7: It's not bad, I just wish there was more clarification on the team, how it formed, why it formed, what happened to the other members in that picture, Storm and Byrdie's whole deal in how they became part of this team; it seems like we really needed another episode, or tags on all the other episodes having the team come together. Episode 8: A lot of really cool visuals with vague stakes and motives on the part of the Watchers. Not bad, but just not as exciting as it could have been. Or I'm just telling myself that, I don't know. Those stills at the end though, seeing the variants that could be expanded upon as well as all the other variants from the episode itself as they were being shed from the heroes, I'd love to see some of those stories. I'm curious if when the heroes took the oath if that kind of imbued them with every power of their variants, which is why we see those variants being shed away, so like, it's Captain America, Black Panther, Thor, Nova, Apocalypse, etc. all being condensed into one single being, which is why the Watchers are so powerful, they could be the combination of eons worth of their variants early on in the universe all coming together, I don't know, but for the mortal characters, maybe that's partly the case. Oh, and I'd be remiss for not acknowledging that incredible Madisynn callback, we need to see her again! So yeah, not a bad Season of What If...?, but it was diminishing returns Season by Season, which is a shame because I've been a big fan of the show and I wish it could have been better. If there are more What If episodes, it may be best to just not have them crossover into a larger narrative. That was great for Season 1, but Seasons 2 and 3 didn't even integrate every episode into their respective Finales, so maybe it's time to just have a bunch of one-offs and just let it be a true anthology series.
Epic commentary! Was so much fun to read at all. And I loved your point that Thor the dark world continues to become more and more relevant as time goes on. So funny!
Right! Yeah, I loved that opening scene. What I was mentioning in the video is that they never actually use the word Muspelheim in the movie. So I liked the what if episode officially bringing in that name into the MCU.
Blessed us with an hour episode I love all you content and I’ve been following you for a few months now could you do a timeline placement for the mcu tie in comics I have the omnibus but I’m not rly sure what order to read them in or when they take place
Thanks so much for following the channel for a while… Really appreciate your support! Yeah, I need to do something for all the tie in comics. There are a ton of them, but it would be nice to know where they fall in the timeline. That’s a great suggestion!
The best way to end the year is a new video of yours!!!! Happy New Year!! Also, The figure in the foosball table is not Hela, its Proxima Midnight Also, 50:02 image of the multiverse suggests to me that the multiverse is a compilation of trees that are not really connected and they form that strange figure that looks like neurons, the strange supreme tree appears to be separated from the other trees, maybe the other universes look exactly like that and Loki's tree is just somewhere in there or maybe its much more far away and it eventually will crash into the other trees and thats why its not shown.
That’s a great way to describe the image of the Multiverse that they showed us. I love that! And yeah, I wondered if that was Proxima midnight… It was really hard to tell. Anyway, thanks for all the great feedback and wishing you a happy new year as well!
Hey dude when i saw that ghost rider version of was happy but something I think was interesting i just realized is that is the ghost rider from agent of shield
Was looking forward to this. But first happy new year! I had no idea about the Agent Carter easter eggs, besides Jarvis himself. I really did love the MCU lore bits we got from the Red Guardian episode and that was also one of my favourite episodes besides the Agatha one. I also didn't consider it teasing Thunderbolts a little, neat. The Howard episode was so weird but I do love the concept of Byrdie. I think the Ironheart episode was one I wasn't the biggest fan of but you know. The 2018 branch point. I'm notAnd yes that is what parallel universes are. I weirdly enjoyed episode 6 a lot more than I expected. Although if they canonize Agent Carter do you think Agents of SHIELD will be next? And you know I really loved the Storm part of this whole season. I am disappointed we never learned her origins but you know. I have heard some UA-camr speculation that What If will end and it'll be followed up by an Exiles show too. Storm using magic is also a reference to X-Men '97 with Forge doing it. Didn't know the comic was a thing, that's neat. I enjoyed the finale but I get the impression a lot of people did not.
Fantastic feedback as always. It will be interesting to see if canonizing agent Carter leads them to them bringing in agents of Shield. Would be weird to bring in one without the other. And yeah, it seems like people weren’t as satisfied with the finale. I liked it a lot better on second watch, but I admit on first watch I felt like it should’ve done more. But overall, it was an enjoyable season and a fitting end to the series!
Bringing in the sony stuff for a moment, do you think stuff like 616 B is a branch on 616 or its own tree. and fun fact, we're gonna see a moon knight blade in marvel zombies this year in october
Boy that’s such a great question… I know at one point Marvel and Sony were going to really work together and then that kind of fell apart. So I suspect that both companies would prefer that the spider verse be a separate tree. Really would be cool to see some characters from spider verse showing up in secret wars, but I suspect it won’t happen.
Finally finished what if and your video. Happy New Year btw! Okay, you know GOTG is my #1 in the entire MCU so I absolutely HAVE TO SEE PETER QUIL WITH THE 10 RINGS! Please Kevin lol
Out of all the episodes in what if season 3 I liked Shang chi and Kate bishop both are my favourite characters in the modern marvel contest along side yelena
I’ve been calling for the Exiles for years now! It would be so freaking awesome if they made an Exiles show like they’re allegedly doing. I hope my faves like Nocturne and Mariko from the comics make it to screen. But I doubt it. I’m also excited to see if any of my What If pitches win the contest! 🤞🏽
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My classic what if I made up is: what if…secret invasion happened instead of age of ultron. I always thought secret invasion would of fit so much better story wise. You could connect it with the theme of alien invasions for the avengers to face. Although then we wouldn’t get vision, Wanda, etc. also Tony’s ptsd plot would be messed with, but on the bright side there’s: Falcon and war machine become official members of the team, not sidekicks (it’ll be impactful the more heroes there are if you can’t trust your closest friends) Rhodey would be a skrull from iron man 3 maybe. It would focus on Nick fury as well and that whole story with carol being introduced. Maybe the avengers will learn of Wakanda and take refuge there since no skrulls could infiltrate it. We could get super skrulls for the avengers to fight in the final battle. I’d also connect fantastic four if I could. This could maybe be a project either before or after ultron but before civil war. Very crammed but I think it could work. Plus if it was after ultron there would be wanda and vision, that makes the super skrulls abilities more complex and cool.
(45:30) I believe that is The TVA from the Loki series but that is a different Captain Carter(Might be of Earth-76). Plus that's Gwen Stacy of Earth-65 and... (Not a spoiler. But just in case) Jimmy Hudson (Wolverine's son) of Earth 1610 is there.
That’s an interesting suggestion… I agree it could be a different Captain Carter. I just wish Marvel did what they used to do with the comics where they stamped them in a certain way if they intended them to be canon to the movies. Or at least I wish they would officially announce them as canon, such as they did with the X-Men 97 comics. But I like your theory!
The breakdown I’ve been waiting for!! Loving the recap of the multiverse theory. It’s been a while since it’s felt relevant. Unfortunately this season felt pretty underwhelming in terms of following established rules for What If? scenarios. Season 1 was consistent with explaining nexus events that led to episodes, and they’d kinda given up since then between season 2 and 3. I think episodes 5 onward felt like they jumped the shark entirely. Still fun ideas, but 1872 in particular felt like one where storytelling went out the window. I really like your assessment of episode 4, “What if Thor went for the head?” definitely salvaged that one a bit more. If only they’d included some more A-listers that’d make sense like Iron Man, Capt Marvel, the Guardians etc who could’ve been around post-emergence. There were a couple bits of dialogue that stuck out such as Captain Carter addressing a timeline with universal notation, 625. Does this hurt or support the multiverse theory? Were the Exiles still operating within the tree? They make it a point to show Yggdrasil at the end of Season 2 for it to not seem relevant at all in Season 3, though at the end when they’re in the 5th Dimension looking at presumably the entirety of the multiverse, it seems the implication is that yes, the tree is just one tree among many. Ultimately I think Carter became Captain Universe in the end, we might see her again in live-action.
I think season was hurt drastically by the fact it was the final season. It kinda feels like they were planning to go for a lot longer, considering they didn't have any episodes that really set up the two part finale, unlike either of the first two seasons where basically every episode played into the finale in some way, AND we had a direct narrative throughline leading into the finale. This season didn't have that. It just felt like we got part of a season that was the third season, and then part of like a season 6 or something that felt totally disjointed from the first four episodes, minus the original character to season 3. But above all, it pains me that they kept using the multiverse language to refer to the branches. Even in the intro sequence where we hear Jason Isaacs as The Eminence, he straight up refers to the "vast new realities" as a multiverse. It's quite possibly the biggest mistake this show made, and it's made even worse by the fact they continued to make it.
Yeah, I kind of felt like we didn’t have much of a lead in to the last two episodes when I watched them the first time around. But when you think about it, episode four created Byrdie and then episode five and six showed the watcher getting himself in trouble. So really three of the first six episodes led into the last two episodes. But I really think they should’ve given us a full storm episode and that would have made all the difference. So maybe episode 4.5 is the storm episode. Where I do 100% agree with you is that the biggest issue has been that the show seems confused on what the Multiverse is and it’s probably done more to create fan confusion than anything else that’s come out. Sigh.
4:10 I think it’s entirely possible that Hulk WAS still recruited for the Avengers. I think that the in-universe makers of the cartoon didn’t want to portray him as an Avenger because of his controversies after unleashing the beasts.
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@@chexrnsfica Yeah, Dane Whitman is definitely a good theory. I just like the idea of it being Howard Stark as that makes a very fun easter egg regarding the two actors dating in real life. Sherriff Loki is a very cool idea. Great suggestion!
@@AbitofEverything4U thanks appreciate your work always let’s Hope captain America brave new world can get us started for a awesome year of MCU shows and movies
@@chexrnsfica Fingers crossed...trailer sure looks good!
@ I just re watch what if seasons 2 ending pretty much all three seasons finale and they cheated us they had Western Loki aka Share of Loki was in one of the glass ball harkness dr strange supreme capture smh they could throw in a variant of Loki we didn’t see before but looking very forward to marvel’s zombie October 3rd my mom 62nd birthday that day as well hyped and fingers and toes all crossed
23:30 I don't know if someone else said it, but there was an official concept art for the episode that showed Dr. strange sacrificing himself doing a spell to make the chunks of earth livable after the emergence
Niiiiiiice! Okay, that would definitely explain alot.
Don’t forget Kate Herron said 3 years ago “sometimes the branches grow and become bridges to other trees”
Great point! Yeah, Kate was calling it out early!
@@AbitofEverything4U why does no one but you maybe mention that ?
46:57 maybe that line is a callback to our Vision's quote in Civil War when he was talking about how their very strength invites conflict and how it leads to catastrophe. Awesome breakdown, u made me appreciate some things that I didn't before!
Nice! Yeah, that is very likely a callback to Vision’s quote in civil war. Great catch!
The Emergence episode actually branches off even before Thor killing Thanos. It's very brief so I don't blame you for not noticing, hell I didn't even notice it, but you can see Brock Rumlow (pre-Crossbones), fighting as part of the alliance. Funny enough his very brief scene was reused animation from What If Captain Carter fought the HYDRA Stomper. The only difference is that the lighting is different and the direction he's standing is flipped. But because of this, this has to mean this universe branches off earlier in the timeline since Rumlow isn't burned or wearing the Crossbones gear. Also he's alive lol. So this must be a universe where HYDRA was never found out or a universe in which Rumlow was never part of HYDRA. Great video as always!
Oh wow! Fantastic catch. Yeah, I definitely missed that. Really appreciate your feedback… Always something special when it comes from you!
The different Watchers have different outfit collar designs so you probably could've cross referenced that with the Stan Lee scene.
That's a cool idea!
1. Happy New Year sir, main issue i have with the what if , is every universe need to have a designation and has to be told by the watcher himself.
2. 1st episode had a lot of amazing potential but they didn't used that much, nod to 90's marvel animation freaking cool but i didn't get the time jump, but thanks to your episode. i got that, Who's that girl watching cartoon episode? Marc Spector became moon knight in 2018 that's consistent.
3. The Mega-Hulk was inspired by the Devil Hulk, looks exactly like the devil hulk and astra islands reference is a nod to fury's line in AOU: Fury telling to Black widow, about quinjet and hulk crash near an island found via stark intel. That location is astra island. so, hulk never left earth and landed on sakaar, epic!
4. Abomizilla looks perfect because in the main mcu abomination was a result of bruce banner's blood, so he always laid dormant inside bruce banner, wow! Gamma Dough beasts was a nod to dr.arnim zola's doughboys!
5. What's Nuclear Gamma Absorbitron?
6. Whole episode taking place in 2025 is a sweet nod to pacific rim also happening in 2025, the finale fight.
7. EPISODE 2: will Agatha revert back to celestial Agatha once again? or does she have to absorb the powers of eternals and a celestial to become one again?
8. EPISODE 3: SO, In this Universe the red guardian is the foundling member of the avengers., and both cap and red guardian would try to get back bucky in the events of civil war? Backstory of iron man is very simple, caught by 10 rings organisation by razor fist or death dealer and also got the inspiration from Ho Yinsen.
9. Melina could still train the natasha and Yelena but Yelena minus the fatherly love, would be the most trained and skilled assassin with the taskmaster or she could be the taskmaster herself.
10. The positives about this episode are Winter Fox can be cured temporarily via love and care without directly cured by advanced wakandan or stark programming needed. This could happen in 2014 winter soldier movie with cap and red guardian curing him up.
11. Goliath must be replacing fury here as the consultant and also as a hero , Goliath and in this universe, Goliath could marry Ranger Morales and have a kid Miles Foster and this kid could end up becoming a Spider-Man or Ant Man.
12. This Universe Avengers may help Natasha and Red Guardian to free Melina N Yelina from the red room like THE AVENGERS VS THE WINTER GUARD Formed by Dreykov or Melina.
13. Red Guardian would easily blend in with Hawkeye, Thor , Widow and Hulk.
14. Speaking of CAMEOS: Yelena as a blond baby crying in aeroplane, Cyke and Jean Grey in Las Vegas.
15. EPISODE 4: I don't wanna get Raunchy, but i will, No offense - Kat Dengingcan literally deliver 4 celestial eggs if she need, that's how epic and lovely lady she is...
16. Basically, This earth/timeline is a utopian paradise,humans and aliens integrated their culture,customs ,tech and everything. SHIELD Is an intergalactic organization, That's MATT MURDOCH WITH KAREN PAGE Invited for the Grandmaster's Diner. Need More episodes from BYRDIE.
17. EPISODE 5: Bonkers episode.... Mysterio's look is inspired by 616comics, concept art is just wallpaper material, This whole episode is taken from the blueprints of S5 OF AGENTS OFSHEILD 2091 POST APOCALYPTIC EARTH, MY THEORY IS THAT GRAVITONIUM WAS ALSO PART OF TIAMUT LIKE THE ADAMANTIUM, AND GRAVITON ABSORBING GRAVITONIUM VIA QUAKE'S POWERS LED TO TIAMUT LEAVING EARTH.IF THEY CANONISE AOS THEN, THIS THEORY IS WORKS PRETTY WELL.
18. In the Main Mcu timeline in the year 2024, all the characters appeared in this episode have made their debuts, Mysterio - FFH, Valykrie easter egg in FFH, Eternals - 2024, Yin Nan in shang chi,2024, Moustache Wong 2024, Okoye serving has kin to king's death bed - 2024, white vision still searching for the tommy/speed-2024, BARF,PROJECT CATRACT-WHITE VISION, EDITH, wereused by mysterio in this episode was spine chilling.Power Broker - 2024, Iron heart first suit up design - 2024, White Vision killing avengers was terrifying.
19. DOC STRANGE'S ULTIMATE SACRIFICE WAS PROTECTING THE REMANANTS OF BROKEN EARTH VIA SPELLS,COOLEST! I wish ALLIANCE HAD MORE SCREEN TIME. SYNTHETIC IRON HEART VS MYSTERIO WAS SO,INCREDIBLE, GOOSEBUMPS SAME AS SPIDEY:FFH SCENE.
20. Your Timeline placement for this episode is wild...
21. EPISODE 6: This another awesome episode, firstly with cameos from this universe alligator loki and throg are from? Cross Bones, Medusa, Isaiah Bradley as pirates -Aww struckinggg!!in the flashbacks, that guy left of xu xialing looks like Druid, i think the original HOOD could be WENWU/Mandarin. Project Pegasus / Point Pegasus is basically SCHNELLZUG EB912 locomotive train + 10 rings added (powered by the arc reactor/tesseract) the same train was used in 1945-Cap 1 movie : Bucky falling and losing his arm towards the death!! FASTUS MACHINE - PERSUASION TECH EASTER EGG ,WOW!!
22. KWAI JUN FUN - SECOND IRON FIST- Was Mentor to Shang Chi, Wen WU, Death Dealer and Thunderer/Lei Kung who is the father of Davos/Steel Serpent and Master of Davos and Danny Rand- I am sure, he will be appearing in Eyes of Wakanda series. Shang Chi becoming his mentor would be crazyyyyy!!! Hope, he doesn't get consumed by the HOOD.
23. HAWKETTE AND SHANG CHI ARE ADORABLE PAIR, WILD WILD EAST!!
24. EPISODE 7: EMINENCE WAS FRICKING COOL AND GAVE ME HEART THUMPS WITH THAT VOICE AND DIALOGUES…EPICC!! NO UATU, NO NARRATOR .SO, NO NARRATION FOR THE STORM IN THIS EPISODE, BUT MY GUT SAYS, SHE COULD BE FROM EXILED KANG UNIVERSE (ANT MAN 3’S KANG).
25. EDWIN JARVIS, WHITE VISION, INFINITY ULTRON - VISION QUEST!
26. EPISODE 8: CAPTAIN CARTER WAS GOATESS - ENIGMA FORCE - CAPTAIN MULTIVERSE!! STEPHEN STRANGE AS A UNIVERSE, DANK FARIKKK!! SEASON 4 would be basically be about the INFINITY WARPS STORYLINE.
27. WEAPON T - CYKE X WOLVERINE X THANOS , RIRI AS PUNISHER COULD BE THE SAME UNIVERSE FROM EP5, 6 ARMED SPIDEY FROM SEASON 1 ZOMBIE EPISODE, I WISH HE WOULD APPEAR IN MARVEL ZOMBIES SERIES, SORCERER MAESTRO, SAMURAI GHOSTIE, GAMORA AS GORR THE GOD BUTCHER,SKRULL CAP, PRESIDENT LOKI, CENTURIAN NOVA, SHANG LORD, DEADPOOL KILLS MARVEL MULTIVERSE - MY FAV ONESSSIEES!! PRETTY MUCH ALL!
28. EXPLAIN - C1000 AND C500?
29. On the whole, it was a great video , through this breakdown I learnt things, I couldn’t catch It earlier because I didn’t know, great and amazing video, as always love ur video..
Loved your feedback. You had me chuckling away at some of your epic comments. As for c1000 and c500, that means the branch happened circa 1000 and circa 500, which is a way of saying we don't know the exact date, but that's around the time the branch likely occurred. I hope the timeline book gives us more specific dates.
I like the multiple "Trees" concept because it explains how the main Marvel Cinematic Universe is 616 while also the main Marvel Comics Universe is 616 because with the multiple "Trees" it means more than one Multiverse.
And the "some leaves touch each other" part can explain how variants of the Film and TV characters can appear in other media, i.e Tom Holland and Andrew Garfield variants showing up in the background of Spider-Geddon.
Great points! Yes, the multiple tree concept does indeed make all of that possible.
I love your multiverse model, and I really hope that's the model they're going with.
Sadly, I think with how ambiguous theyre being, they're just going to end up going with EVERYTHING somehow being a branch and not elaborating.
Yeah, I think the model makes a lot of sense especially when we see what Kang showed Janet in Quantumania. But I also share your fear that Marvel might change things around without thinking about what they’ve already established in the past. Fingers crossed they keep it consistent!
Fun fact, that Blade Moon Knight is going to be in Zombies
Yeah he is in trailer
I can’t wait… He’s gonna be awesome!
I found it really interesting how Uatu said that we could see the branches created by strange supreme’s universe when he was talking to the other watchers, since that line implied that all of the watchers see all of the universes rather than only segregated portions of them. The eminence also explained that the purpose of watching was a realization that each watcher had to make on their own while abandoning any sense of an individualized identity in an attempt to be a neutral observer. I find it weird that the watchers would only be aware of one tree but the TVA would know about all of them.
Yeah, my guess is that the watchers can indeed see all of the trees. There was a watcher that appeared in the X-Men 97 Genosha episode and so I’m assuming that they’re observing all of the different trees. As for Doctor Strange’s universe, I’m betting those three watchers just ignored it because they were so annoyed that Uatu helped with its creation. So in a way, Uatu’s actions in season one and two resulted in the downfall of those three watchers. Pretty wild!
If Feige or someone say officially that X-Men 97 is part of Loki’s tree, it could explain the Storm variant and the Jubilee variant that we can see at the end of the final episode. So I just hope that Marvel confirm it one day.
Good point! Yeah, if they were to say that X-Men 97 is part of Loki‘s tree, then that would explain an awful lot!
I think it was cable and beast in x men 97 explaining the tree so we know we got Charles Francis Xavier binary and best and storm and wolverine are definitely in the MCU I like the ending wish they would have done more dope episodes witht eh different variants and I think the have several of kangs time chairs because they could have defeated different versions or Kang the 3rd season but f what if was made before they fired Jonathan Majors. Why is thor crying 😢?hope we find out in 2026 if not sooner
Okay, I was a bit hesitant cause it wasn’t in the timeline book but until Marvel says otherwise Agent Carter is definitely canon to me now
I agree… I think season three of what if basically canonized the agent Carter series. Hope that Marvel puts it in the timeline soon!
5:30 Maybe Tony said, "well the manufacturer said if I order 4 mech suits, the fifth one is free, soooooo, there ya go Thor, buddy !
lol! That’s now my head canon!
Something I just realized. Samurai Ghost Rider confirms a version of Ghost Rider could exist in the MCU, and they used the Robbie Rayas version from Agents of Shield. Another hint of AoS being canon? Or at least a branch.
Hey this has probably been mentioned, but I believe Muspelheim was mentioned in “Thor: The Dark World” when talking about The Convergence.
Good question! I checked the transcript and only found references to Jotunheim, Vanaheim and Nornheim. I'm so surprised that it's never been mentioned as far as I can tell.
Tbf with the TVA comic, it's possible that Captain Carter isn't the what if version, just a variant.
Also with spider-gwen, they have the comic rights to her. So there's nothing stopping them from putting her in a comic tie in to the mcu
Also a cool little thing i noticed is When captain carter went cosmic she kinda looked like the characters Singularity, and Captain Universe
Good feedback! Yeah, I wondered if it was a Captain Carter variant in the comic, but at that point I don't know that I see the reason for using her in the comic, since it would be more fun (imo) to see the character we've been following in What If appear. But I agree, from a comics standpoint, using Spider-Gwen is okay...they just couldn't use her in live action. And that's a great point about Carter looking like Captain Universe. I totally agree!
I just know in my heart that Angie was one of the dancers in Stark's movie!
Also Stane being Rook is a comic reference to him being King, leader of The Chessmen
Excellent feedback! Yeah, I should’ve mentioned why he was named the Rook. It fit him perfectly.
I think Episode 7 actually shows that at least some of the universes we go to aren't branches of off 616 but full on other universes. Peggy calls it Xandar-625. I think she means universe 625 simply on Xandar as oppose to earth. So if they were on Earth it would be Earth-625. Like wise you can go to Xandar-616. When they have a number they are different trees like Earth-838 so Xandar-625 should be a different tree universe. I think your model still works, but this is post Loki so the 616 probably isn't Isolated from he forest of other trees anymore. Dr strange said it was impossible to travel between universes. He had to have meant travel between trees because he obviously knows timelines exists. But he must simply have been wrong because obviously the TVA does it. And now the Exiles can do it as well. Either their own tech or TVA tech has allowed them to travel between different trees.
I wondered about that… But keep in mind that Xandar-625 is the in universe that was created in season two, episode one. And of course, the watcher narrated in that episode that It was a branch off of the main 616 universe.
So it was really confusing to have Peggy referring to it with a 625 designation which seems to imply a different tree when in reality we know it’s a branch off the 616 tree.
My guess is Marvel wasn’t thinking about the issue of which tree it’s in but instead was trying to reinforce the idea that they’re going with the planet-universe designation. I think they just didn’t realize that it didn’t really make sense in that context. At least that’s the best I can do to try to understand the situation.
Great video, I really enjoyed this season, most of the episodes, references,Easter eggs and callbacks were amazing to see and how it tells us stuff about the main timeline. I did did not notice any of the agent carter references those were cool and I definitely agree that it's so close to being official canon, crazy seeing Kang and the TVA getting shout outs in this season was fun. Just like Kahhori I really like Brydie and hope to see some version of them in Doomsday and/or Secret Wars, I now definitely think we'll see Uata in Fantastic Four especially with marvel recommended the fantastic 4 comic with Uata on the cover. Cool to see the What If game reference and seeing Medusa was crazy. Also I like to headcannon Namor took the Titanic out of the ocean and either him or someone else got it into the upper atmosphere. Also happy new year 🎉
Hey one other cool What If I thought of is What If Tony Stark fought Wen Wu who teamed up with Trevor Slattery who got different elemental powers as a giant meteor is falling from space containing Fin Fang Foom. As you can see I took elements from the comics in order to make Trevor a physical threat to Tony and added a classic villain who was actually one of the original villains of Iron Man 1.
Thanks for sharing all your awesome feedback on the season. Yeah there was a lot to love about season 3 of what if. Also, wishing you a happy new year as well! 🎆🎆🎆
@@AbitofEverything4U Thanks 👍, also I've heard that apparently the creators of What If have hinted at What If or something similar continuing one day I hope that's true.
55:37 For Shang-Chi and Kate Bishop Hawkeye in the Old West the title literally said “What if…1872?!”
Right! Totally agree on that. The title had the year the episode took place, but the branch would have had to been way earlier for there to be a Kate and Shang Chi born in the 1800's. So I suspect the branch was hundreds of years prior, perhaps.
@ I did the math: Shang-Chi and Kate are both in their early 20’s so I’m guessing, in this branch, they were born in 1848-1850.
I wasn’t the biggest fan of the show, but I really enjoyed Kahhori, she’s such a great character, especially for being an original creation from marvel studios (:
I agree… Kahhori was definitely one of the big wins for the series. Really hope we get to see her in live action!
The TVA comic talks about events from Loki Season 2 so it's definitely trying to be canon to the MCU, but the Spider-Gwen that appears is the same Spider-Gwen from the comics' Earth-65 and the comic spins-off from her own solo comic series. It also features the character of Jimmy Hudson, who was from the original Ultimate Universe (Earth-1610), who was arrested by the TVA during the Venom War event. The comic tries to act like the MCU and the comics are the same multiverse, and the TVA that has been in comics previously is the same TVA from the MCU. I don't think that idea makes sense, but it's the idea they're pushing nonetheless.
A good example of why this doesn't work is the character Ouroboros. In the comics previously it was established that all TVA agents look exactly like Mobius, so Ouroborus looks exactly the same is Mobius. But the one from the MCU looks like Ke Huy Quan. That's not to mention Ouroboros was erased from existence by a weapon called the Retroactive Cannon in his one appearance prior to his MCU adaptation, so how could the Ouroboros from the MCU be the same?
It makes no sense for the comics TVA and MCU TVA to be the same, but it also wouldn't make sense for them to be separate because how could there be more than one TVA? This comic completely breaks the continuity of the comics by trying to shoehorn an MCU connection
Agreed! The two drastically different histories just can't coexist unless they go into it in the comic and try and explain it all. I do believe that the comics multiverse and mcu multiverse are one in the same though, just given the nature of it, there can't be more than 1 multiverse but yeah it just can't fit
Yeah, sometimes that's just how synergy retcons work. They don't always make sense but you just gotta roll with it
@thechimpmaster Very well said. To me, the biggest issue is that Feige has stated that the MCU is the live action adaptation of the comics. So, in other words, the two can't exist together. And I suspect Feige doesn't want the comics to be canon to the MCU or it means all of the lore from the comics have to apply to the MCU. What I've seen in general is that the comics like to present the MCU and the comics as being connected, but the MCU has never shown that to be the case. So until Feige himself declares the TVA comic is MCU canon, I'll consider it to be non-canon to the MCU. Still a cool comic, but not MCU canon.
I liked that they brought back Kahhori (pronounced as Kah-Horti), and I hope there's a live-action version of her in Doomsday or Secret Wars!
I agree, I really hope we see her in live action. And I can’t believe I messed her name up. Ugh!
I hope we get to see a lot of those MCU variants from the final episode in Doomsday and Secret Wars.
I love every single detail you mentioned in your video. I've never seen anyone make such a good video about what if. I don't think the show has reached its potential. There were episodes in the show that I liked, but there were many elements that didn't satisfy. I hope they come back with bigger ideas. The anthology series could be better in this kind of thing. In season 4 or 5 of Agents of shield, we see an alternate time where Quake destroys the world. What I'm trying to say is exactly the same as Tiamut's destruction of the world. So we have seen the world being destroyed before and we saw that people on it somehow managed to survive. In my opinion, if agent carter is canon, then Agents of shield is canon. Another thing I don't like about the show is the balance of power of the characters. That's all I have to say for now. Thanks to everyone who contributed despite everything.
Add a character with a needlessly stupid name everyone will mispronounce, even you mispronounced it. Just call her leader, that’s what that silly word means.
Maybe if the Watcher hadnt gotten arrested we could've explored Storm's Universe next xD
But yeah to anyone confused about how Black Widow and Iron Man still ended in the same path on the Bucky/Alexei Timeline, well lets keep in mind we have seen issues in the What If comics where characters wind up in another path but they still became the heroes they were meant to become in Comics-616, take the story where the spider bites John Jameson, Betty Brant or Flash Thompson, its self-explenatory, but at the end of the story its shown in each one of these realities Peter Parker still ends up becoming Spider-Man. or the What If Jane found Thor's hammer long before Mighty Thor in where she got the hammer, but at the end Donald Blake still winds up getting his memories back and becoming Thor again. I think we are seeing something similar here where yeah there was a big ripple in the timeline, but as Beast puts it in DOFP the current ends up correcting itself, so even with Howard living and Black Widow not ending up as Alexei's adoptive daughter, the current corrected itself sometime down the line
I completely agree… Excellent explanation for how we still ended up with the same set of avengers in the Bucky and red guardian episode!
Actually, the first episode, titled What If... The Hulk Fought the Mech Avengers? branched in the year 2014 and I still think Bruce Banner joined the Avengers in 2012, but then instead of Steve Rogers meeting Sam Wilson, Bruce Banner was living in Washington D.C. working for S.H.I.E.L.D. I think Captain Carter along with Kahhori, Storm and Byrdie the Duck traveled to TVA and stole the Reset Charges, but then learned about the variants of He Who Remains, so they traveled to the Quantum Realm and found Kang the Conqueror's Time Sphere, then teamed up with Deadpool & Wolverine and defeated the Council of Kangs including Immortus, Rama-Tut and Centurion. Hope you had a wonderful New Years! can't wait to see what videos you do this year.
I really do like the idea of the first episode branching in 2014… But considering that we don’t see Bruce Banner with the avengers those cartoon fights, it sure seems that he wasn’t with the avengers and so the branch was earlier. Hopefully the timeline book will tell us one way or another.
And those are good theories for how the exiles got the time pod. I really wish they would’ve told us. I’m so curious!
And most importantly… Wishing you a happy new year as well!
Actually Stan Lee working for the Watchers makes alot of sense since he is in like everything Marvel across the Multiverse like Spider-Man or X-Men. Even in the Lego Games and Specials and maybe Big Hero 6 could be canon then since he also appears there in the Post Credit Scene
And if Big Hero Six is canon, atleast Frozen and Tangled are aswell since those 3 are canonically in the same universe
@@coolerkerl8469 They are not !!! Those are just Easter eggs but hey it's fun to assume they are right ?
@@Wolverine_Logan_BestWhatICanDo they are!
@@coolerkerl8469 oh yes they are, IN YOUR HEAD CANON 🤣🤣🤣. Bro, you've been listening to FAN theories that are yet to be true so say that they are connected when Disney confirms.
@@Wolverine_Logan_BestWhatICanDo Bro... Rapunzel and Flynn appear in Frozen and there are multiple references in Big Hero Six to Hans and Arendelle from Frozen. Those aren't theories, those are facts.
32:26 in the comics, the first chronological Iron fist was a female warrior named Fan Fei, Jun Fan is the Iron Fist from that time period though. When I first saw this kid, my first immediate thought was "is this the corpse they use in Iron fist season 2 to do the transfer spell", but upon further research, Orson Randall was the Iron Fist from 1948, the same date seen in the archived footage seen in season 2, and Jun Fan was the user prior to Randall. Orson Randall was also the adoptive father of Danny Rands father, essentially making him his grandpa.
I also would love if they brought the Agent Carter series back ... and resolve that cliffhanger. The only resistance I see is that it also tied in heavily with Agents of SHIELD. Peggy appears in a couple of flashbacks. Howard Stark as movie director is not a stretch when you realize that both Tony and Howard are modelled after Howard Hughes, a born-rich, eccentric mechanic, and also flamboyunt movie director.
Yeah, I would love to see them bring agent Carter back. I think that they could do it without bringing in agents of SHIELD, since they could do it without including the flashbacks from agents of SHIELD. And I agree, it would be great for them to resolve that cliffhanger from season two!
Its interesting that after Thors party, earth became a part of the wider galactic culture instead of being more separated like in the main timeline. For instance SHEILD has a galactic level of authority way before the canon one did. Other planets are popular tourist destinations, and major alien figures are known in earth culture and vise versa. Like the Grandmaster being well known on earth, or Dormomus cult being relocated to space.
That's a great point. Really cool to see how things developed after that previous episode.
Biggest reveal of the entire series was that the Watcher broke his oath to help (or possibly hook up with) Madisynn?
This girl's life gets crazier and crazier by the show, and I am all for it.
lol! Yeah, Madisynn has lived an amazing life so far. Oh, the stories she could tell!
@AbitofEverything4U now I kind of want a Marvel special presentation with Madisynn and Luis from Ant Man swapping stories. Kind of like a modern version of My dinner with Andre (yes I have some pretty weird tastes)
I enjoyed the season even though I feel like there is still so much lost potential by ending the series here but I guess it would be hard to write stories that don't conflict with upcoming Avengers movies
Interestingly Benedict Wong did not return to voice his character for some reason, I wonder why?
Also the idea of a child born during the Convergence being destined for greatness is an awesome concept I'd love to see utilized in the sacred timeline.
And the concept of Strange Supreme becoming a sentient universe is also great (even though he didn't speak)- reminiscent of Dormammu's Dark Dimension (also voiced by Benedict Cumberbatch in the movie, interestingly enough). I think a Supreme Strange universe cameo could be possible for the multiverse MCU movies
Yeah, it does make me sad that the series had end. There was so much untapped potential. But I did like how they wrapped the storylines up pretty well and I thought that was an excellent ending for strange supreme!
Also I just wanted to point out that Agents of shield season 5 also did a similar concept to episode 5's emergence episode with Riri as with a destroyed earth as it was gravaton that destroyed their earth in a similar way as the emergence, as that's what that episode reminded me of.
Yeah… I thought that was really interesting how that agents of Shield season looked so similar to that destroyed earth that we saw in the what if episode. That’s gotta be intentional.
I hope at some point we see Loki (the variant holding the Multiverse together) meeting Uatu I could easily see like beginning of Doomsday or something them playing chess together.
Yeah, I am betting that Dr. Doom will discover Loki and will try to knock him off the thrown. Imagine Doom in control of the tree. Yikes!
@AbitofEverything4U Maybe he succeeds and then Loki and Uatu work together to find heroes from throughout the Multiverse to fight him basically being Nick Furys for this multiversal Avengers team.
The universe from episode 7, which is the same one from S2E1, is actually the 9th universe shown in the entire series. I guess Xandar being named 625 is no coincidence - 616 + 9 = 625.
Oh wow! How interesting. I hadn’t noticed that!
I think that line about the watcher helping reed richards may be a reference to him perhaps appearing in Fantatic four first steps maybe trying to help him prevent his universe getting destroyed by galactus
That would be so awesome if that happens!
52:00 This is HUGE deathlock was in Agents of Shield.
53:15 YOOO? Ghost Rider was another character they were told was off-limits.
53:22 She's wearing Gor's outfit,
Yeah, those were some insane variants there at the end. Loved it!
28:20 i interpret it more as actual parallel lines. What we've been told of different universes that arent connected with each other is that they are usually rings, that from a point just look like a straight line, these are stacked on top of each other, meaning they are parallel to each other. Being basically literal parallel universes with each having their own alternate realities
Yeah… I’ll be honest I had always assumed when that word was used that it meant parallel as in parallel lines and thus it matched what he who remains showed us in Loki’s series with the stacked universes. So it really threw me off when the watcher referred to branches in the tree as being parallel. But one theory I’m hearing now is that maybe the branches he’s discussing in episode six actually are in separate universes. So maybe he did mean parallel as in parallel lines
Concerning the episode where Tiamut emerged:
Wasn't there a season in Agents of Shield where Gravaton did that exact thing: break the whole earth into chunks? And then Daisy Johnson (Quake) went back in time and prevented that.
Yep agents of shield did it in season 5.
Yes, that’s a great point… The Earth did get very badly destroyed in agents of shield season five. Almost makes me wonder if they were paying homage to that season.
I was thinking the same thing when watching that episode.
@@nickjoffe8433 Arishem: *To the Eternals* You had one job
What a season! Wish so badly it didnt have to end here. I've said it before and I'll say it again - 2025 is going to be the year of Superheroes! Between FF, Superman, and everything in-between, we're looking at the dawn of a very exciting year!
Yes, indeed… 2025 is going to be an incredible year!
53:19 that looks more like Gorr-mora to me.
Niiiiice!
If they do make an exile / Guardians of the Multiverse series, they could show us those are universes Glimpse at the end.
Also, it's really cool. Despite Chadwick boseman's passing that T'Challa Star-Lord is still at least semi part of the Guardians.
Really love Uatu the Watcher's overall story throughout the show.
Happy New Year, man. I hope you and your family have a good one
That’s a great point… An exiles show could give us a lot of those crazy variants. And yeah, that was nice to still see T’Challa as part of the guardians of the Multiverse. Wishing you a happy new year as well!
It seems like this season was setting up a lot of future plots and characters for the MCU imo.
Ep 1 - New Avengers team and World War Hulk.
Ep 3 - Red Guardian and Buckey dynamic for Thunderbolts, Ranger Morales maybe teasing Miles (?)
Ep 5 - Riri Williams and the eventual return of White Vision, maybe even Mysterio too because while cool, kind of an odd choice for this episode
Ep 6 - The Hood Introduction
Ep 7+8 - The Exiles possibly appearing in Doomsday or Secret Wars
I’m glad you noticed that too… Yeah, it really seemed like they were doing some heavy lifting to remind fans about plot lines coming back in 2025!
I think, in my opinion, that the latest variant of Captain Carter is not Lady Thor, I think it is Valkyrie.
Sersi's variant could be dancing with Dane Withman, perhaps.
And about the last one, I really wracked my mind trying to guess what it could be, but I think you really made a good point, because it certainly looks like Captain Marvel Nova.
That’s a really good theory that it could be Valkyrie for that last captain Carter variant. And I definitely agree that Dane Whitman is the safer pick for dancing with Sersi, but the idea that they might be making a reference to the real life actor’s relationship is also pretty cool. Awesome feedback. Thanks so much for watching the vid and sharing your thoughts!
@@AbitofEverything4U I agree with Howard Stark too. I didn't know the actors were dating until I saw your video. And after you mentioned it I see it as a pretty tangible possibility.
I really hope that one of the producers clarifies some of these references in interviews because I would really like to know.
41:52 it is proxima midnight , not Hela
Yeah, I’ve heard that suggestion as well. I could go either way, tbh. But I agree, Proxima Midnight is a good theory!
This Paint Universe thing has become an obsession for you, and you're drawing far-reaching conclusions from something that appears on screen for about one second. But if there's one thing we learn from the third season of What If...?, it's that alternative universes and timelines are the same. There aren't any "other trees"-what you see at the end of Loki's second season is the entire multiverse branching out from the Sacred Timeline.
I don’t know why, but I just love the paint universe. I just want to visit there for one day… Just one day! But also it seems to me to prove that it can’t possibly be a branch off of 616.
However, I think far more important than the paint universe is that Kang showed how incursions occur between two disconnected universes. That’s the biggest reason I think there are multiple trees. But hopefully we’ll learn the answer For certain when fantastic four comes out.
Anyway, really appreciate you watching the vid and sharing your thoughts. Thanks so much. Wishing you a happy new year!
Therr is plenty of evidence that proves you are wrong and that therr are several tree/stacked universes unless marvel decides to throw all that away and retcon it
The visual of earth being destroyed in episode 5 is VERY reminiscent of the destroyed earth from season 5 of Agents of Shield. I still think it’s entirely possible the destruction in that show was triggered by Graviton but was actually caused by Tiamut, and I may be a bit insane trying to connect dots but it’s not impossible this could be an incidental Easter egg.
I agree… Lotta similarity to the destroyed earth from agents of shield. And I love the idea of Tiamut actually being part of what caused that destruction
Not only is the doctor strange quote in MOM, but it’s originally from SM:NWH as strangers explanation as to why the villains need to be returned
Oh yeah! We had two different Doctor Strange variants saying the same basic thing!
Kinda wish they make an episode about What If "all early 2000s marvel heroes (such as Raimi Spiderman, Ben Affleck Daredevil, JG Elektra, etc) take place in mcu" especially knowing back then they had an idea to make all these movies to be take place in one universe, basically the og mcu before mcu that never exist. I would love if we could see an alternate world where these characters coexist
Oh wow… now that would’ve been a very cool episode!
5:43 just realized Shang Chi’s mech suit is based off XINGTIAN, a Chinese deity !!!! Wow!
Great catch! That’s awesome.
Happy new years!!! Love this channel and I can’t wait to see you grow even more in 2025. My favorite source of Marvel, Star Wars, and DC breakdowns :)
Thanks so much...I truly do appreciate all of your awesome support. Wishing you a Happy New Year as well!
Okay so parallel universes being mentioned in this and the FF trailer tells me that this phenomena will be different from the multiverse we’ve seen so far. Maybe the reason HWR was keeping the sacred timeline nice and tidy is because when you don’t, you run the chances of running into parallel realities (sacred timeline runs parallel but the messy tree intersects!) and this is what actually causes incursions. 838, FF, 616, 10005 are all parallel universes while the other What If scenarios are just part of the 616 multiverse?
I think you nailed it! I think all of the What Ifs episodes are direct branches off of 616 and then the parallel universes such as 838 and 10005 will end up, causing incursions with Loki tree
Agent Carter is currently showing between Cap America and Cap Marvel on the “Complete MCU Timeline” section of Disney+. I wasn’t sure if that was anything new
Great question! I should’ve mentioned in the video that the one shot is in the timeline, but that the two seasons of her show are not. But I’m hoping that changes soon!
@ Ah, bummer! I completely assumed it was the show even though AoS was not there. Hopefully they’re acknowledged eventually
Keep up the great work and have a happy new year!
The Avengers in episode 3:
Howard Stark probably helps Tony, who’s now closer with him due to the near death accident, to create the Iron Man suit.
Steve is still found.
Nat was already part of the Red Room, maybe Yelena is spared from going through it but Nat gets everything minus the mission in Ohio. Barton still spares her.
Banner still experiments
Thor still shows up.
SHIELD still works on the Tesseract.
Love those ideas! Yeah, I think there’s lots of ways to make it work. Thanks for sharing the theories!
49:40 it was first said in NWH by our Strange lol. He was saying it in reference to the villains
Oh, that’s a good point… Man he says it in every movie… Lol!
Awesome video for yet another awesome season of what if, probably my favorite. I do have a few bullet points I’d love to hear your thoughts on though:
For Agatha’s universe considering we know her backstory and motivations I’d argue the branch is at some unspecified earlier point for her motivations and goals to have changed so much. I don’t think it’s just when start starts his movie company.
I also absolutely think the game is canon now, with several direct references at the end, and it only having very minor issues I don’t have any reason to think it’s not canon.
Speaking of canon, no doubt that agent Carter will be canon soon (and likely agents of shield since they crossed over)
While I was totally with your multiversal layout, I now think that lokis tree covers everything, as it seemed like they were trying to indicate, especially with the line of Xander and then the other earth. You even bring that up which is why I’m confused as to how you still think it’s just 616 and its branches. Captain Carter straight up says she’s in another not 616 world.
And man I REALLY hope we get exiles in the mcu that sounds like such a great idea.
Also I’ve heard the kahorri comic is canon to the mcu, the TVA comic may or may not be and the friendly neighborhood Spider-Man comic released I’d really love you to take a look at these, even discussing the TVA comic even if it’s not canon to see why or how anything may relate to the mcu
Great feedback as always!
On the Agatha branch being earlier in the timeline, I could imagine it being earlier. I think 2027 is the latest it could be, but it could be anytime before that.
As for the what if game being canon, I’m not sure if you watched my video on it, but there are definitely some major… Like humongous issues with the game. Like not the least of which is Wong transports them outside the Multiversal tree to do battle. I just don’t see any way that can be considered canon. I think the characters appearing with those variants was just a nice wink and a nod to the game.
I definitely agree that agent Carter, and perhaps even AoS are well on their way to becoming canon.
I think the fact that Captain Carter was not working with the TVA means that the Xander numbering was more of a coincidence than meaning that that branch is outside the tree. So I didn’t see any episodes that I would consider to be in a non-616 world.
I would love to see an exile series if Marvel can pull it off.
And I will be keeping an eye on the TVA comic to see whether it makes an attempt to tie into what we saw on what if
I think that may actually be a Dr. Strange variant instead of the Carol Danvers variant from the What If game. Whatever the figure is has the comic cross-like symbol from Dr Strange's costume. And nice catch on the Lea Thompson reference. I literally just rewatched Howard the Duck like a month ago and completely missed that reference.
Good suggestion on it being a Dr. Strange variant. I could totally imagine that being the case. And yeah, the Mrs. Switzler reference was really clever. I loved all the Easter eggs in these episodes.
17:55 Grandmaster, Carina, Melina Vostokoff, Okoye and Wong were all replaced by soundalike actors this season despite having their MCU actors voice them in previous seasons, it's very odd.
Yeah, that was very odd. Especially since some of the lines were so small, it seems like they would’ve been willing to do it. But maybe they charged too much?
@@AbitofEverything4U It definitely seems like a budget issue. Multiple episodes reused scenes from previous seasons.
32:42 I can get Kate Bishop as a favourite but Sonny Burch? Of course don’t let me change your opinion but him over characters like Ultron, The Winter Soldier, The Guardians, The Avengers.
lol...very good point. Sonny doesn't hold a candle to the others you listed. I was really just saying I love that actor. He always makes me smile. Thanks so much for watching the vid and sharing your thoughts. Really appreciate it!
Another great timeline breakdown of What If season 3, great final MCU video of 2024.
Thanks! Yeah, it was a fun one to squeak in before the year ended
Happy new year and oh boy what a video to drop
Wishing you a happy new year as well. And yeah, that vid about broke me. Man, soooooo many easter eggs to cover!
5:39 my head canon is that his dad died trying to kill the kaiju
Oh, now that’s a cool solution!
27:42 Stan Lee is technically "The God of Marvel" so he's omnipresent in every Universe, that Stan is "an Avatar" like the Stan of Fox Movies, the Stan of X-Men Movies and the Stan of Sony Movies... So yes, he's the same Stan of all MCU Movies.
I love that… So cool!
Please rank all what if episodes, like you did with all MCU entries
That’s a really cool idea!
I've loved everything with What If and I'm sad that it's ending. I feel like people just want to complain about everything without good reason to
Agreed most definitely.
Yeah, it’s unfortunate when people seem to just want to complain. I’ve really enjoyed the what if series. it’s a bummer to see it go!
Sorry if I'm being dense but isn't the Hela episode set about a thousand years ago. At one point Hela suggests heading to Scandinavia to find the vikings placing her between 800 - 1100 AD pretty much bang on "about a thousand years ago" meeting Wenwu soon after finding the 10 rings.
Great question! So we know that Thor was born 965 AD. So that means Hela actually banished before that point. And so if Wenwu only had the rings for 1000 years that would be 2024-1000 or 1014 AD. So it doesn’t look like it works for him have only had the rings for 1000 years.
This season gave me a few questions.
1. What's the deal with the Celestials. They existed before the Multiverse and yet are somehow affected by Time and Space. My personal head canon is that the Celestials are linked with the Infinity Stones and that when the Infinity Stones branch, so do the Celestials. Because that's the only way it makes sense for Beings before Time and Space to be effected by branching. (Now that I think about it the Dark Elves also existed before Space and Time, but they aren't god like beings so it actually makes more sense for them.)
2. What's the deal with Galactus? They know enough about him to make him a foosball table character. Based on what they did with the Celestials, I'm worried that a version of Galactus might exist in every branch. Which makes no sense. I'm hoping that maybe only 1 Galactus exists per stacked Multiverse (what we see in Loki S1 E5).
3. Does the Watcher watch only 616 or the whole Greater Multiverse. When Loki S1 came out an article was written about Kang on the Offical Marvel Website and it said something very interesting. "After a variant of himself discovered different multiverses and started traveling around, sharing knowledge and information, everyone lived in peace for a while - until a war broke out." So that scene from Loki S1 E5 was described as He Who Remains discovering other Multiverses plural. Which goes with the idea that the 616 tree isn't everything in the Multiverse just 616 branches.
We know from What-If Interactive that the Watcher knows of the TVA. (Yes, I believe the fact that we see them in S3 makes that game canon.) We also see a Kang time chair in S3. So the question is does the Watcher watch those other Multiverses and those Kangs, similar to the TVA. You would think yes. But the Watcher constantly refers to the Multiverse as singular. But then he also uses Parallel Realities which suggests untouching branches. But then in S2, he calls Loki's Tree the whole Multiverse. But then he says Tree's plural in his metaphor. I'm convinced at this point that the people working on What-If just aren't fully in the loop with the whole Greater Multiverse plan.
Awesome feedback! Yeah, I’ve always wondered about the celestials and whether or not they could actually branch if a nexus event occurred. It seems like they exist inside a universe, so I guess they should therefore branch. But it is kind of weird to consider that they existed before the universe was formed. So it does kind of hurt your head a bit. I just think that once the universe was formed, now they’re in it and so therefore they can branch.
Galactus on the other hand is even more of a mystery. There are rumors that he might be similar to America Chavez, where there is only one of him across the Multiverse, but I’m guessing they’re not gonna go that direction. We’ll have to wait for fantastic four to learn more.
I would like to know more of the lore around whether or not the watchers watch everything across the Multiverse or whether one watcher only watches one tree. I suspect we didn’t get that answer because the show didn’t want to discuss the other trees across the Multiverse.
And I agree that what if has always confused me in how it refers to the Multiverse and yet also seem to focus only on Loki’s tree. I would say this season was the most confusing of the three when it came to that issue.
Anyway, great feedback. Thanks so much for sharing all your thoughts!
Strange also says that grand calculus line in no way home to Peter in regards to the villains
Oh yeah… Great catch! I forgot he said it there too.
36:45 I think the game actually is canon, since we see Infinity Witch, Centurion Marvel and Teen Hela in the final episode's credits.
Yeah, I touch on that a little bit later in the video. I think that the variants from the game were just a nice wink and a nod to the game. There’s so many issues with the game that make it seem like a nonstarter to be canon in my mind. Not sure if you’ve seen my video on it but things like doing the final battle outside the Multiverse tree was way over the top. Cool concept, but I just don’t see how Marvel would want that to be canon.
@@AbitofEverything4U I can definitely see how some things wouldn't square perfectly with the show or the rest of the MCU, but I can also see in both the good and the bad ending how it connects to Season 3 and the new roster of Guardians (the good ending) and Deadpool & Wolverine as well as the TVA comic (the bad ending), which I do believe the TVA comic is canon. The Peggy in that comic is a Variant who goes by Captain Britain, not Captain Carter. The easiest way to bring the show and the comic together is that animated Peggy posed as Captain Britain and stole the Reset Charges lol
Thanks for breaking this all down! I hadn’t even noticed they were using Kang pods 😮 Sad they didn’t delve into Thor!Storm’s story, she was so cool 😭
Yeah, those Kang pods were wild! And I was really bummed not to learn more about Storm. Would love more of her backstory!
Happy New Year.
Episode 1: I liked it, although it had things I didn't like, for example the title, it is a question I don't think anyone would ever make since up to that point the MCU didn't introduce a concept lf Mech Avengers, and Hulk didn't even fight them, Banner hide himself from the world so the whole title makes no sense. They should called it "What If... Banner tries to get rid of Hulk" or something like that.
There is also the problem with the duration of the episode to show the characters, we barely see the mechs fighting and worse of all, Moon Knight is working with the Avengers despite the fact that we didn't see him interact with any hero in the main 616 timeline, and also he is suppose to have an identity disorder so they would probably think is a big risk in the team (but it seemed like they ignored that).
Since he was the one who wanted to attack Godzilla Hulk I guess if the episode was longer he would serve as a minor antagonist or something
Episode 2: I wonder if that Agatha lost her son, because she agreed with Kingo easily.
Episode 3: a very funny episode. It was cool that they add Stane to the puzzle of Howard's dead, but I think before that we all asume Winter Soldier knew because Hydra was infiltrated in SHIELD and Howard was working there. So in a way it feels like it doesn't add much.
One detail I didn't like was that Bucky resisted the mind control easily when they could have Red Guardián stopping the book guy from saying the words.
Not only Stane died, Tony's parents are alive and he still became Iron Man apparently. Also a lot of things should change, like Winter Soldier movie or Civil War
Episode 4: you either like it or not. I didn't, but it was cool to have characters returning from other movies. Coulson come back too, and if we don't cound AofS as canon this is probably the Coulson that survived the longest time since the cosmic event of Thor 2 happened and he is still alive.
Episode 5: Good episode, but it felt like everything happened fast.
I don't know abot the logistics, but having the planet in parts would probably destroy the atmosphere or something like that, wouldn't it?
Episode 6: My favourite of the season, I'm still wanting for a Shang Chi sequel so it was cool to see him back and Kate too. I think the episode was solid even with the weird wild west theme.
I think ep 6 happens in a paralel/alternative universe and not in a branch timeline since everything seems to go with that wild west theme.
I wonder if Birch boss is the Hood (or someone related to Hood) in the main timeline too.
Awesome, awesome, Bit. Quite a breakdown and easter eggs reveal for season 3. So many (e.g. foosball table) that went right over my head, Lol. Props and thanks a bunch!👍
Thanks so much for the positive feedback. Yeah this one was a really fun one to put together. So many amazing Easter eggs!
6:11 I assume given the circumstances Russia probably bailed him out to fight these monsters
7:15 Guess hydra never infiltrated
8:21 I have a crazy theory I like to share: I think in this universe the snap happened and thanos was successful. It would explain why heroes like ant-man or doctor strange never appeared. Because if all the OG 6 and more importantly Tony died they never find time travel and I would say all the remaining heroes earth don’t stand a chance against Thanos or the black order.
8:41 Imagine if they had the rights to Kull. This would have a perfect Easter to include “in the beginning there was darkness ruled by a King In black but he was imprisoned and light was allowed to flourish.
Never knew about the Agent Carter Easter eggs that’s cool
Love the reveal it was Stane that placed a hit on Howard and Maria. Kinda blanked on who the bald dude was until I remember him.
16:01 Tony would still be captured by the ten 10 regardless if stane was involved or not. Maybe WenWu is in charge? GOD I WISH THAT WAS AN EPISODE. Widow is the bigger question. It would have been so cool if agent may from AoS was in her place instead. We know she was consided. It also would finally canonize AOS.
18:15 It’s the fact he has RED glasses. Yeah that’s at least an Easter egg.
18:57 I must point out in the main mcu Thor actually interrupted the convergence. So this bit of lore makes sense. However since Maliketh is still a villain in this universe I wonder if he missed his opportunity.
21:13 Dope skrulls are there as Fury’s bodyguard. since earth is more intergalactic the skrulls no longer need to hide themselves. So maybe Gravik is happy in now.
22:27 There also many instances where it feels like riri could have died like when she escapes and her jacket barely worked or when white vision closes in on her
32:51 after seeing the Fallout tv show I wished they made him a cowboy as well.
33:08 I’ll take back to this I think episode may have spoiled Ironheart
43:17 Theory: I think the hood we will meet in the mcu played by Anthony Ramos will be reveal to have corrupted the guy wearing it. Because that’s NOT how it works in the comics and I don’t see what if.. making such a drastic alterations unless the mcu did it first. And they are working for Sunny Burtch.
34:19 this leads me another point: I think the Iron Fist in the eye of Wakanda show will be this one but he’s gonna main mcu canon. Why else would they show this very specific character? We know they wanted to an iron fist Shang chi episode but marvel told them not too. Was it because they have plans?
35:51 Oh baby that has interesting implications. Given this was made before they officially booted kang. It kinda worked out.
39:56 I’ll be so sad if this is the closest we’ll get to an exiles thing. Blink is the mascot of the team and I doubt we’ll get them as the multiverse will be phased after secret wars.
42:50 The writers confirmed they wanted to use beta ray bill but couldn’t. Does that mean we’ll see him in Thor 5?
44:50 This also indicates is the watcher shut up he wouldn’t have altered infinity Ultron in season 1
46:04 I don't think that comic is for the mcu. It's just there to make the tva more inline with what the show loki did because the tva in te comics before the show are way different
51:48 Does this imply she is a mutant? Could we see her in an mcu x-men line up?
16:01 weren't the people who kidnapped Tony from the fake Mandarín group? They didn't speak chinese
I don’t see how you get all these other characters who haven’t appeared before in the sacred timeline (Reed Richards, Storm, Ghost Rider Etc.).
How can a character exist in a Branch of the sacred timeline, but not exist IN the sacred timeline? Thats like saying an Oak Tree can produce Pine Cones, it just doesn’t make sense to me.
Good question! To me, it’s the same way that you get Kahhori in a branch, but not in the main timeline. Basically different events happen and different characters end up being created. I agree that it seems strange on the surface, but I think what what if is trying to say is that if the branch is early enough in time you can end up with very, very different results,
I have everything to say of "What If...?" Season 3, and episodes 1-4 so far!
Part 1.
Episode 1: 1. "Gamma brought this monster, I gotta believe it can take it out," No, Bruce, there's no reason to believe that and goes in line with the idea that they could just shoot Mega Hulk (who just literally smoked their enemy) with those tiny guns on their destroyed Gundam? I mean, I like the enthusiasm, but even Konshu should see that "light them up" ain't going anywhere, lol, and It isn't a story about the Hulk if it doesn't have someone's immediate reaction to the Hulk be to riddle him with bullets.
2. "More gamma will solve the gamma problem" is Bruce's logic at the beginning of the episode, when he created that very monster... The entire story is about Bruce not learning from his mistake and that same logic is then used to solve the problem as well, meaning he didn't learn anything on that front, and the X-Men '97 also used the talk no jutsu at the end... and both were executed a thousand times better than Naruto. Well, let's be honest, Kishimoto's talk no jutsu always.
3. “Khonshu says," Light him up! "” This small dose of Marc Spector was great, but I need more, Him and Shang-Chi were a surprise to see. I genuinely thought, "Why did Moon Knight get a mech?" Probably not a lot of heroes left, A lot of heroes would have di*d in original gamma war.
Episode 2: 1. Agatha energy absorption might be the most OP thing in the MCU, and I think the most fun power to work with is being able to control music like Dr.Strange and Sinister Strange did in that one scene from Multiverse of Madness, but they all have cosmic energy in them therefore she can absorb the energy, different kind of absorption from MCU agatha, prolly she had control of her powers now.
2. Were those noises Arishem was making when he was zooming through space, and so, does this confirm there are different variants of the celestials in every timeline? this is the same Arishem as that we saw in Eternals on the Sacred Timeline. FWIW, that's what I always assumed, but you had those out there that were certain the MCU's Celestials were multiversal in nature. this arishem also used a bifrosty-type thing to travel through space, whereas before, he used a black hole to travel instantaneously.
3. “It‘s the house that will make you question the decency of capitalism“ 😂 (Jarvis is just great), and Kingo and Agatha are actually such cool duo. Really liked this one. Nice to see more from the Eternals Mythos! Ajak, Makkari, Thena, and Gilgamesh mentions were great, too!!
All things considered since Howard Starks Actor is married to Gemma Chan who plays Sersi, I really wish we could have gotten Sersi in here somehow, and Honestly with how low key Sersi is too, I genuinely wonder what she's doing in this time.
Episode 3: 1. The cut to Uatu as they jumped the cliff got me good, and The Watcher sees everything, but he is surprised 2 guy driving off of a cliff 🤣🤣 just likes to get caught up in the moment.
This is a liked episode because it did a key event in history of what the canon 616 MCU presented and did a what if scenario on it. Not just some random characters teaming up and doing something that’s not related to the 616 MCU canon, and it did a key event in history of what the canon 616 MCU presented and did a what if scenario on it.
2. S.H.I.E.L.D. is still compromised by Hydra at the time. Simply S.H.I.E.L.D a la Bill Foster captured the winter soldier after he kil*ed the Russian general and let Alexei flee. S.H.I.E.L.D. puts him into "rehab," and Alexander Pierce sends him back to Hydra then to Russia. In the MCU, we know that Bucky's brainwashing is never fully removed until he goes to Wakanda. So, while he temporarily overrides the programming, it can still be brought back. So Bucky is back in russia to get reprogrammed so The Winter Soldier movie can happen, and assumedly, a version of TWS will happen with Bucky and Steve, and perhaps Alexei getting involved due to the connections he had with Bucky that we see in this episode.
3. Was it odd to anyone else that this random park ranger ended up having all this military and firepower authority by the end of the episode? Was she intended to be someone else? Her character’s surname is Morales, so it's definitely an Easter egg since Miles’ dad is also a cop. also played by America Ferrera so could possibly connect to something in live action down the line and given that America is also Latina, like Rio Morales, I wonder if this is them softly introducing the character, and then later in live action. Because it's a curious choice to have America Ferrera here in this as just some random character.
Episode 4: 1. Couples cliff diving on Vormir sounds like an unforgettable experience. It's good to see Coulson and Yondu. Loki is on to something, Jotunheim can be the intergalactic Aspen, and imagine if in Endgame, Natasha jumps off the cliff, only for Clint to realize afterwards that someone else got there first and grabbed the soul stone, so she di*s for nothing.
I can't stop laughing about the delivery of "Fury out!". It was like they went with the goofiest possible take.
2. “This was fun, but I’ve got an orgy to get to” was one of the last lines I expected from a Marvel show. It's totally in line for Zeus though, fun to have him finally reappear.
Also, crazy that Josh Brolin showed up to do only a couple of lines for Thanos, but I’m glad he’s here “YOU CALLED ME FOR AN EGG???!”
3. She’s a What If Original character like Kahhori, voiced by Natasha Lyonne as an adult in an upcoming episode according to reports. I’ve read the character name, so since Darcy called the baby ‘Byrdie’ I put 2 and 2 together, and it's an MCU OC like Kahhori. This was the craziest and funniest episode so far... At first, i was like....wa...wa...wait... not the duck banging darcy lewis, but later, the ep did get fun, haha. Loved all the cameos of all villains, which was totally crazy , i legit cracked up when thanos and his gand popped up. Lol🤣
So much to love about those four episodes. You captured all the best moments!
Besides "Goddess Storm", the universe I wanted to see the most is "Sorcerer Supreme Hulk/Maestro". As for this last season, it was pretty underwhelming for me at least.
Yeah, both “goddess storm” and “sorcerer supreme Hulk/ maestro” would be incredible to see more of. And I agree, while I liked some of the episodes a lot… Such as the Agatha episode… I think overall it was the weakest season out of the three.
Been waiting for this video all week!
I really hope Agent Carter and Agents of Shield's get put in the main mcu sacred timeline!
Also Sharon Carter would be a amazing if she shows up in Captain America Brave New World
I think marvel should do more shows like the shows before Disney plus… longer stories… little references to the main timeline!
I really want a political lower budget spy show but with mcu characters
Sharon Carter, Nakia, Ross and maybe some agents of shield characters! It’s probably just me, but I really like the grounded stories alongside the big action blockbusters!
Have a wonderful holiday season! Looking forward to all the breakdowns in 2025!
Awesome feedback on the video and on the last season of what if. Really enjoyed reading your comments. Also wishing you a very happy new year!
What I've noticed in terms of how the MCU is numbering all their earths is that they always do 3 digits unless it was previously established:
"616"
838
625
The What If video game earths
Even the Venomverse 688 (granted that cause cause they just took the number from the Marvel wiki)
But what's cool is that they respect already established earth numbers like 10005 (except 199999 lol)
Excellent observation! Yeah, I’m really curious to see what number they give to the fantastic four universe when that movie comes out!
Hi there I liked the finale of this season despite its flaws, though I still wonder if those variants that we see in the post credits scene were scrapped or being added into future projects
Yeah, I loved those variants at the end. I'd be down to see some of them appear in the future!
Finally! I was looking forward to this! Also happy new year! 🎉
Yeah, so sorry it took me so long. Man, that about killed me… lol. Also wishing you a happy new year!
Awesome videos! Love your work!
Thank you so much… That’s very nice of you to say!
I think Carter stole the reset charges after stumbling upon a branch where the TVA was actively apprehending Kang variants and she probably killed the Kang(s) and stole the pod(s).
Awesome theory!
Episode 1: Lot of fun, I liked it. Honestly felt a bit more like what should have had the opening from Episode 6 just because of how wacky it was and how crazy some of the other episodes this Season would be, but whatever. Still loved seeing Kaijus in the MCU.
Episode 2: It was also fun, but I don't know, it just wasn't speaking to me. I like making use of elements from The Eternals, seeing Agatha steal their power is also cool, but I just didn't quite get why it needed to be in Hollywood. Why the movie angle? I guess to get Kingo there, but I wouldn't have minded seeing Agatha face off against the other Eternals, too. Sadly left me wanting more, but I'm very interested to see where this goes regarding Agent Carter.
Episode 3: My favorite. Seeing Red Guardian find the humanity in Winter Soldier, and their dynamic throughout the episode was just excellent. You can tell the actors also had a lot of fun with this one. Also it's great seeing Goliath again. I want to see more stories from the younger versions of the old heroes so that we can really get a sense of that larger world Nick Fury was telling Tony Stark about. Also as for that final image of the episode, I feel like this is more of just a gag than a literal depiction of what happened later in the timeline, but maybe it all still works out in a similar fashion.
Episode 4: I love this episode. It's so stupid, it's so ridiculous, but it's so funny, and now I kind of want more. Howard the Duck could pull off a spinoff in the MCU main timeline or otherwise if it stays animated. Oh man, and dude, elements introduced in Thor: The Dark World, one of the worst outings of the MCU, still has relevance 10 years later, can you believe it?! At this point it's got to be an ongoing joke just to retroactively make that movie better because of just how important it has become.
Episode 5: I hate it. Just not a fun watch. The premise is not bad, but its execution is just not what I was hoping for. Sad to see that both Eternals related episodes didn't work much for me since I do like the movie and want to see those characters utilized more, except they weren't even in this episode, which feels like a missed opportunity if they are just left on the planet and not taken away by a Celestial.
Episode 6: This is another good episode, I just wish we got to see what some of the other heroes looked like in this time period. So my guess for its origin point may have something to do with The Mandarin. Maybe he found Ta Lo sooner met his wife, that would at least explain why Shang-Chi and Xai-Ling are around so much earlier. Then everyone else may just be coincidences that look and sound like people we know, or perhaps time travel is involved and The Hood maybe came back in time, and that just caused a branch where a lot of people come together and make babies and after a few generations that eventually results in familiar characters we know faster than normal and they pop out 150 years earlier than expected. Or time is actually running much slower, but doesn't affect human physiology, but still the rate of progress. It's clear that what the writers really wanted to do was have a Wild West episode, but didn't want to get too bogged down in the how and why of it all, which is why Watcher just says, "Things are weird, just accept it."
Episode 7: It's not bad, I just wish there was more clarification on the team, how it formed, why it formed, what happened to the other members in that picture, Storm and Byrdie's whole deal in how they became part of this team; it seems like we really needed another episode, or tags on all the other episodes having the team come together.
Episode 8: A lot of really cool visuals with vague stakes and motives on the part of the Watchers. Not bad, but just not as exciting as it could have been. Or I'm just telling myself that, I don't know. Those stills at the end though, seeing the variants that could be expanded upon as well as all the other variants from the episode itself as they were being shed from the heroes, I'd love to see some of those stories. I'm curious if when the heroes took the oath if that kind of imbued them with every power of their variants, which is why we see those variants being shed away, so like, it's Captain America, Black Panther, Thor, Nova, Apocalypse, etc. all being condensed into one single being, which is why the Watchers are so powerful, they could be the combination of eons worth of their variants early on in the universe all coming together, I don't know, but for the mortal characters, maybe that's partly the case. Oh, and I'd be remiss for not acknowledging that incredible Madisynn callback, we need to see her again!
So yeah, not a bad Season of What If...?, but it was diminishing returns Season by Season, which is a shame because I've been a big fan of the show and I wish it could have been better. If there are more What If episodes, it may be best to just not have them crossover into a larger narrative. That was great for Season 1, but Seasons 2 and 3 didn't even integrate every episode into their respective Finales, so maybe it's time to just have a bunch of one-offs and just let it be a true anthology series.
Epic commentary! Was so much fun to read at all. And I loved your point that Thor the dark world continues to become more and more relevant as time goes on. So funny!
Thor was in Muspelheim in the start of Ragnarok?
Right! Yeah, I loved that opening scene. What I was mentioning in the video is that they never actually use the word Muspelheim in the movie. So I liked the what if episode officially bringing in that name into the MCU.
Blessed us with an hour episode I love all you content and I’ve been following you for a few months now could you do a timeline placement for the mcu tie in comics I have the omnibus but I’m not rly sure what order to read them in or when they take place
Thanks so much for following the channel for a while… Really appreciate your support! Yeah, I need to do something for all the tie in comics. There are a ton of them, but it would be nice to know where they fall in the timeline. That’s a great suggestion!
The best way to end the year is a new video of yours!!!! Happy New Year!!
Also, The figure in the foosball table is not Hela, its Proxima Midnight
Also, 50:02 image of the multiverse suggests to me that the multiverse is a compilation of trees that are not really connected and they form that strange figure that looks like neurons, the strange supreme tree appears to be separated from the other trees, maybe the other universes look exactly like that and Loki's tree is just somewhere in there or maybe its much more far away and it eventually will crash into the other trees and thats why its not shown.
That’s a great way to describe the image of the Multiverse that they showed us. I love that! And yeah, I wondered if that was Proxima midnight… It was really hard to tell. Anyway, thanks for all the great feedback and wishing you a happy new year as well!
Hey dude when i saw that ghost rider version of was happy but something I think was interesting i just realized is that is the ghost rider from agent of shield
Yeah, wasn’t that cool that it was Robbie Reyes from agents of Shield! I love it!
Was looking forward to this. But first happy new year! I had no idea about the Agent Carter easter eggs, besides Jarvis himself. I really did love the MCU lore bits we got from the Red Guardian episode and that was also one of my favourite episodes besides the Agatha one. I also didn't consider it teasing Thunderbolts a little, neat. The Howard episode was so weird but I do love the concept of Byrdie. I think the Ironheart episode was one I wasn't the biggest fan of but you know. The 2018 branch point.
I'm notAnd yes that is what parallel universes are. I weirdly enjoyed episode 6 a lot more than I expected. Although if they canonize Agent Carter do you think Agents of SHIELD will be next? And you know I really loved the Storm part of this whole season. I am disappointed we never learned her origins but you know. I have heard some UA-camr speculation that What If will end and it'll be followed up by an Exiles show too. Storm using magic is also a reference to X-Men '97 with Forge doing it. Didn't know the comic was a thing, that's neat. I enjoyed the finale but I get the impression a lot of people did not.
Fantastic feedback as always. It will be interesting to see if canonizing agent Carter leads them to them bringing in agents of Shield. Would be weird to bring in one without the other. And yeah, it seems like people weren’t as satisfied with the finale. I liked it a lot better on second watch, but I admit on first watch I felt like it should’ve done more. But overall, it was an enjoyable season and a fitting end to the series!
Bringing in the sony stuff for a moment, do you think stuff like 616 B is a branch on 616 or its own tree.
and fun fact, we're gonna see a moon knight blade in marvel zombies this year in october
Boy that’s such a great question… I know at one point Marvel and Sony were going to really work together and then that kind of fell apart. So I suspect that both companies would prefer that the spider verse be a separate tree. Really would be cool to see some characters from spider verse showing up in secret wars, but I suspect it won’t happen.
Finally finished what if and your video.
Happy New Year btw!
Okay, you know GOTG is my #1 in the entire MCU so I absolutely HAVE TO SEE PETER QUIL WITH THE 10 RINGS! Please Kevin lol
Out of all the episodes in what if season 3 I liked Shang chi and Kate bishop both are my favourite characters in the modern marvel contest along side yelena
I agree… It was amazing seeing those two together. Makes me wanna see more episodes following their adventures!
I’ve been calling for the Exiles for years now! It would be so freaking awesome if they made an Exiles show like they’re allegedly doing. I hope my faves like Nocturne and Mariko from the comics make it to screen. But I doubt it.
I’m also excited to see if any of my What If pitches win the contest! 🤞🏽
I agree… an Exiles show would be very cool. And I think they’re going to vote on the winners for the what if pitch contest soon!
@ nice. I know I’m not gonna win, but it was still fun coming up with the what if scenarios.
what a video! happy new year too!
Thank you so much… Wishing you a happy new year as well!
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Thank you! Wishing you the same. 2025 looks like an awesome year for superhero content!
My classic what if I made up is: what if…secret invasion happened instead of age of ultron. I always thought secret invasion would of fit so much better story wise. You could connect it with the theme of alien invasions for the avengers to face. Although then we wouldn’t get vision, Wanda, etc. also Tony’s ptsd plot would be messed with, but on the bright side there’s:
Falcon and war machine become official members of the team, not sidekicks (it’ll be impactful the more heroes there are if you can’t trust your closest friends)
Rhodey would be a skrull from iron man 3 maybe.
It would focus on Nick fury as well and that whole story with carol being introduced.
Maybe the avengers will learn of Wakanda and take refuge there since no skrulls could infiltrate it.
We could get super skrulls for the avengers to fight in the final battle.
I’d also connect fantastic four if I could.
This could maybe be a project either before or after ultron but before civil war. Very crammed but I think it could work. Plus if it was after ultron there would be wanda and vision, that makes the super skrulls abilities more complex and cool.
Very cool idea for what if episode. Thanks for sharing that!
(45:30) I believe that is The TVA from the Loki series but that is a different Captain Carter(Might be of Earth-76). Plus that's Gwen Stacy of Earth-65 and...
(Not a spoiler. But just in case)
Jimmy Hudson (Wolverine's son) of Earth 1610 is there.
That’s an interesting suggestion… I agree it could be a different Captain Carter. I just wish Marvel did what they used to do with the comics where they stamped them in a certain way if they intended them to be canon to the movies. Or at least I wish they would officially announce them as canon, such as they did with the X-Men 97 comics. But I like your theory!
The breakdown I’ve been waiting for!! Loving the recap of the multiverse theory. It’s been a while since it’s felt relevant.
Unfortunately this season felt pretty underwhelming in terms of following established rules for What If? scenarios. Season 1 was consistent with explaining nexus events that led to episodes, and they’d kinda given up since then between season 2 and 3. I think episodes 5 onward felt like they jumped the shark entirely. Still fun ideas, but 1872 in particular felt like one where storytelling went out the window. I really like your assessment of episode 4, “What if Thor went for the head?” definitely salvaged that one a bit more. If only they’d included some more A-listers that’d make sense like Iron Man, Capt Marvel, the Guardians etc who could’ve been around post-emergence.
There were a couple bits of dialogue that stuck out such as Captain Carter addressing a timeline with universal notation, 625. Does this hurt or support the multiverse theory? Were the Exiles still operating within the tree? They make it a point to show Yggdrasil at the end of Season 2 for it to not seem relevant at all in Season 3, though at the end when they’re in the 5th Dimension looking at presumably the entirety of the multiverse, it seems the implication is that yes, the tree is just one tree among many. Ultimately I think Carter became Captain Universe in the end, we might see her again in live-action.
I think season was hurt drastically by the fact it was the final season. It kinda feels like they were planning to go for a lot longer, considering they didn't have any episodes that really set up the two part finale, unlike either of the first two seasons where basically every episode played into the finale in some way, AND we had a direct narrative throughline leading into the finale. This season didn't have that. It just felt like we got part of a season that was the third season, and then part of like a season 6 or something that felt totally disjointed from the first four episodes, minus the original character to season 3.
But above all, it pains me that they kept using the multiverse language to refer to the branches. Even in the intro sequence where we hear Jason Isaacs as The Eminence, he straight up refers to the "vast new realities" as a multiverse. It's quite possibly the biggest mistake this show made, and it's made even worse by the fact they continued to make it.
Yeah, I kind of felt like we didn’t have much of a lead in to the last two episodes when I watched them the first time around. But when you think about it, episode four created Byrdie and then episode five and six showed the watcher getting himself in trouble. So really three of the first six episodes led into the last two episodes. But I really think they should’ve given us a full storm episode and that would have made all the difference. So maybe episode 4.5 is the storm episode.
Where I do 100% agree with you is that the biggest issue has been that the show seems confused on what the Multiverse is and it’s probably done more to create fan confusion than anything else that’s come out. Sigh.
4:10 I think it’s entirely possible that Hulk WAS still recruited for the Avengers. I think that the in-universe makers of the cartoon didn’t want to portray him as an Avenger because of his controversies after unleashing the beasts.