I'm a fellow zoologist and animal lover and I'm blown away by this research! This discovery opens up so many roads towards knowledge and compassion! :D
I like the “running drills” explanation of dreaming, at least from the bottom-up evolutionary perspective. It makes sense that if an organ evolved to interpret transduced sensory signals into a unified model of the exterior world, that if that organ somehow gained the ability to simulate an entire fictional environment, that it would be massively advantageous for that organ to test trying scenarios in those simulated environments during that animal’s safest rest period.
Parrots "dream" too. I have 2 free roamingparrots, who sleep on me in the night. Very often, they make sounds without being awake and sometimes they look like having even nightmares, they scream and move, but I have to wake them up, like you do with children having bad dreams.
@@TV-xm4ps With some effort/persistence and adjustment you can lucid dream if you choose to, also not far off in the future you'll have a headset that induces lucid dreaming(tACS is the one of the tools). This research paper "Transcranial Alternating Current Stimulation (tACS) for Major Depressive Disorder", imagine the level of problem solving we can do in a infinitely creative platform like our dreams or it can be used for other horrendous things as well.
I wonder if spiders have flying dreams, too?!? I've never thought about spiders or any bugs sleeping or dreaming, but as soon as she started talking about seeing them dangling and twitching, my first thought was "Well, of course they do!" I would love to see a comic strip about spiders philosophizing over what their dreams meant! 🤣
I'm so confused by this comment lol are you trying to say she was punishing/torturing these spiders xD wtf do you think behavioural animal psychologists do except for watch animals lol yall need to go out more, the plight of the jumping spiders will not be forgotten hahaha
We've already found many many things of how intelligent tons of beings are including plants and fungi. It fills many who truly come to realize how absolutely not alone we are and how truly connected we are with this planet. Cruelty is just an artifice the universe is not that at all.
Not really. This doesn't show spiders (yes even portia), plants, and fungi are considerably intelligent at all. It only shows that adaptive behavior is an immensely basic thing not requiring very much complexity to evolve. It doesn't show those things are intelligent, it shows those benchmarks for intelligence are extremely faulty and mostly parroted by people with no real understanding of the hierarchy of intelligence. Usually by people who just sort of pick up learning about random animals and don't really have a broader evolutionary matrix to contextualize the species into.
@@artosbear Yes, that's why it's not about 'intelligence', that's a really abstract concept that applies to anything alive, be it individual or groups, and even to the machines 'we' make. The important part, when it comes to empathizing with something is whether or not they can suffer instead. Plants for example, there's no reason to think they can suffer, or really anything without at least some rudimentary form of a nervous system connecting to cluster of nerve cells that one might call either a ganglion or a brain, and then you gotta find out if they have receptors that respond to noxious stimuli and/or damage and connect to said nervous system, and how their behavior changes in response to such stimuli. And the closer something is to us evolutionarily, the less formal you have to be to figure these things out, because the resemblance becomes clear enough. Like for example with anything mammal you can tell right away since it resembles how one personally would respond. As in there's trembling, rapid convulsion if damaged area is touched, potentially screams, diminished activity etc. So the term "Cruelty" seems to make sense only if you apply it to entities that can suffer, instead of basing it on intelligence. Basing things on intelligence has been...quite the slippery slope historically, and it's easy to use it to rationalize being cruel.
I love the children of time reference with the naming of the spider! Tchaikovskys work is so clever! Great work, I’m excited to see more!!! Here’s hoping Portia is the inheritor of Earth and the ‘human’ race!
Pretty sure you got it backwards. Portia is a species of spider, not a specific name. Based on my brief wiki search, the book is based on genetically modified Portia spiders. So the author choose this group for the book. Probably because they're the smartest of the jumpers, and probably spiders as a whole.
@@user-bt2lx4gy7hI think that's what they meant. It is made clear in the book that "Portia" the inherited name of the, queen? I guess of the matriarchal spiders is just reference to their species.
I currently have a small jumping spider who was at first very cautious around the large flies I was catching him. Now he’s confident and quickly catches them. It certainly felt like he learned how to hunt them.
"I still can't belive that this has not been seen or documented before - cause no one ever looked." This sentence woefully describes human arrogance... we never looked close, because we never suspected something like dreaming arachnids could happen anyway.
This is fascinating. I remember reading a book where the author made the point that, because sleeping is so perilous to the sleeper, if evolution could have found a way around sleep, it wouldn't exist. And yet sleep seems to be universal. Now, maybe if a creature has a nervous system, it dreams?
In humans, while in deep sleep our cerebral spinal fluid is flushed of toxins and the most healing/maintenance occurs. REM helps consolidate memories, so if an animal has the capacity to learn from past experiences, it most likely will experience REM.
I used to keep a P. Audax by me and would notice her watching my monitor as I watched tv shows and what not, which isn't too important and coincidental most likely lol. But, she'd dream a lot (fang movements etc.) despite me rationing her food schedules. I also had a T. Helluo whom would curl her front legs into herself as she slept. Her fangs would then widen out, as if she was drooling (mouth open and all). So much more interesting things about spiders that we still don't understand and it's so fun to observe.
I was going to make a joke about spider's wet dreams, however, it strikes me that watching for a spidery erotic dream, moving parts of their anatomy that's only used at very specific times, might be better than misunderstanding the spasming legs as them running after prey or escaping from a predator.
We find the jumping spiders around our house are so lovely and intelligent, we are enchanted by their personalities. We also have orb weavers and plump black widows, all fascinating spiders to observe. This was such a wonderful insight into the jumpers, I look forward to seeing how this research unfolds and what it uncovers.
i kind of doubt that no one has ever thought of this research question before; but you're the lucky winner who chose to focus their research resources on it. really interesting.
I imagine that we might be able to someday track evidence of overnight changes in cognition and behavior as an indication of dreaming even without self-reporting being a necessity. You couldn't determine what the experience is like for them, but you might be able to see that the brain had been processing information at night by showing either electrical brain activity at night or changes in behavior that suggest an experience other than unconscious sleep has taken place, such as waking up responding to a stimulus that wasn't present externally.
I think it’s pretty sound to say that dogs dream for sure. Unless there’s some other completely unknown unrelated mechanism that causes them to bark and run in their sleep, it’s the logical conclusion. While it can’t be “proven” in any objective way, it makes sense to treat it as the most logical explanation for that behavior, and then I think this arachnid dream premise is not that far fetched.
I've always had a special curiosity/suss-ness on spiders. They're different. Obviously they're arthropods, but they're way different to insects, and the differences between those two groups goes back to before they even left the oceans. Spiders have been on their own weird evolution path for a long, long time. That's why they're scary and strange creatures. Almost alien seeming
I imagine this has something to do with the incredible amount of visual processing that these spiders engage in on a regular basis. Perhaps in a similar way that dreaming apparently helps to process and cement memory while the brain chemically recovers from the day, these spiders undergo similar neural stress from the volume of visual data they experience throughout the day. Jumping spiders occupy a similar niche to many small birds and cephalopods, experiencing the pressure of predation at the same time as they look for prey, which could produce situations that require more complex decision-making.
You could watch for maybe twitching that looks like movement involved in hunting of different prey? In the spider that hunts other spiders, since they have multiple types of hunting strategies, they might exhibit multiple similar categories of twitching modalities during their sleep
Somewhat unrelated, but I had a near death experience in Summer 2018 and got to meet the "maker" and talk to him about all the questions I had in life. I asked him if everything had consciousness or if sentient life was mixed in with bio-automatons. He replied: "Everything that dreams has a soul". Afterwards, when I came back here, the first thing I wondered was: "Do spiders dream?" Finally, years later, there is a video about the subject. How cool!
when I was young in the 70's I was told by my dads MIT friend that the jumping spiders are one of the only creatures that can make out the craters on the moon ..
Oh, I'm sure they dream, humans tend to think are special, but evidence has proven that we (animal, plant, planet or everything) are alike. All though I'm courious if dreams have an actually evolutionary advantage or if they are a byproduct Loved the vid Your job is awesome Take care of my little brothers and sisters 🕷️🕸️🕷️
Speaking of sleep deprivation affecting behavior made me think of the book, The Fly. At some point he describes a spider's web being repeatedly destroyed by the author and how the rebuilt web begins to become more and more disorderly. I hate to recommend depriving spiders of sleep and then seeing how their webs fare when destroyed in comparison with spiders that get an undisturbed night's sleep. There's a mad, amoral scientist lurking in is all.
Obviously spiders have higher nervous activity and they have dreams; and, surprisingly, incredibly enhancing influence of serotoninergic psychedelics on their brain activity and web weaving (just like humans) has been known for many decades, I wish this aspect also be researched thoroughly. Good job.
My theory is any creature that sleeps for long period of time needs to sleep, to keep their vital functions minimally working to almost a reflex level. This of course exclude hibernating animals who have evolved to turn half their body off.
For all you bookworms out there who are interested in spiders and in particular the Portia jumping spider, I can recommend “Children of Time” by Adrian Tchaikovsky. It's a science fiction novel in which a genetically engineered virus is released on a new world to speed up the evolution of a group of apes so that they can serve as laborers for the human settlers who would arrive later. But something goes wrong, and instead its spiders and other arthropods that rapidly evolve and grow larger. Large parts of the book are very cleverly written from the perspective of the now intelligent Portia spiders.
Bugs are very abundant and easy to catch for the jumping spiders, but the entire portia species decided to live catching other spiders just to show off 😂
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We, as humans, do not have exclusivity on dreams/sleep. Please don't sleep deprive spiders...bc then they WILL hate us right back...and I am far more afraid of them bc they have FAR more skill, talent and speed than we do!!!
i feel like dogs can do dream reporting sort of. anyone who's had a dog has probably seen them "running" in their sleep and even growling and barking. we had a dog who would often wake herself up by barking at some dream enemy lol. obviously doesn't completely prove they're dreaming like us but it does seem like it.
If a spider can dream, so can it be possible if all animals. Perhaps the dream function is what unites us to our animal families. And thus we are not so distant from one another after all
We can know that humans dream without reports through for example the Tetris experiments which show humans dream of playing Tetris when they play Tetris all day because we can visualize it on fMRI. I recommend using infrared optical, scanning or two photon optical scanning on spiders and I have more experiments in mind , but a shortage of time. I can tell you 10 experiments that would show that spiders are dreaming and I think you have some in mind too. Don’t say something is impossible when it’s not. And don’t misunderstand skepticism of other minds because such a skepticism makes neuroscience impossible. Recall skepticism is a branch of philosophy and an important one, but once one gets on the boat with a natural ontological attitude (NOA), you have rejected the skepticism behind your sophomoric remark.
"Doctor, I have this recurring dream that my thread is cut and I fall, and fall, and keep falling into an endless pit. What does it mean?" "Tell me about your childhood" "I never met my father, my mother ate him" "Naturally"
The mechanism behind dreams is complicated and difficult, The How and why is very different for Humans compared to other biological organisms. You could say most complex organisms dream but it's not the same thing.
Are they so different? I think we have preconcieved notions as humans and put our own bodies and how they operate as the best. Just because they have different sensors, why would it be so strange for them to dream. I donno, I think we see ourselves as too important and thus mis out on a lot of interesting facts about other animals.
I can barely hear what she is saying in the audio mix. Background music can be useful, but it depends on how you use it, and how you mix it. Also, there is nothing wrong with having a voice speaking without background music and in many cases, it is the better choice.
It will forever baffle me that we continually have to prove the existence of things in other species; we claim to believe in evolution - where nothing just pops into existence but is a series of SMALL changes over time - but act as if we are some exceptional "creation". Emotions is the classic, emotions are behavioural algorithms that direct our actions. If it can move and has a nervous system I'm going to assume it has emotions.
I'm a fellow zoologist and animal lover and I'm blown away by this research! This discovery opens up so many roads towards knowledge and compassion! :D
"I'm something of a scientist myself" 🤭
I like the “running drills” explanation of dreaming, at least from the bottom-up evolutionary perspective. It makes sense that if an organ evolved to interpret transduced sensory signals into a unified model of the exterior world, that if that organ somehow gained the ability to simulate an entire fictional environment, that it would be massively advantageous for that organ to test trying scenarios in those simulated environments during that animal’s safest rest period.
Dr. Rößler, professional spider-botherer.
@grindsaur, professional troll.
do spiders dream of silken sheep?
Or ten legs?
The females probably dream of devouring makes and the males probably dream of being eaten. HAIL THE LOLTHSWORN!
😏 Or electric moths?
I bet they dream of the big, bad vacuum
Parrots "dream" too. I have 2 free roamingparrots, who sleep on me in the night. Very often, they make sounds without being awake and sometimes they look like having even nightmares, they scream and move, but I have to wake them up, like you do with children having bad dreams.
Do they wear diapers or something? How do you mitigate the dooks?
Do you think your bird bros can tell the difference between a dream and reality?
@@johnc4957 sure they can). they are WAY smarter than you think)
@@johnc4957 I usually can't while I am dreaming.
@@TV-xm4ps With some effort/persistence and adjustment you can lucid dream if you choose to, also not far off in the future you'll have a headset that induces lucid dreaming(tACS is the one of the tools). This research paper "Transcranial Alternating Current Stimulation (tACS) for Major Depressive Disorder", imagine the level of problem solving we can do in a infinitely creative platform like our dreams or it can be used for other horrendous things as well.
I wonder if spiders have flying dreams, too?!? I've never thought about spiders or any bugs sleeping or dreaming, but as soon as she started talking about seeing them dangling and twitching, my first thought was "Well, of course they do!"
I would love to see a comic strip about spiders philosophizing over what their dreams meant! 🤣
They could ,they jum so I can imagine I'm a dream it jumps amd just keeps jumping until it catches the biggest fly ever, then wakes up.
One of the species that form colonies (very loose social structure they just maintain a web together) would be a very cute setting for the story
All we've figured out so far is that sleep deprivation is a form of punishment/torture.
I'm so confused by this comment lol are you trying to say she was punishing/torturing these spiders xD wtf do you think behavioural animal psychologists do except for watch animals lol yall need to go out more, the plight of the jumping spiders will not be forgotten hahaha
It always tickles to see a sleeping dog acting out a sprint! Around 2:38.
Anyone researching the intelligence of animals is bound to open pandora's box with regards to how cruel this universe really is.
Not the universe, just humans.
We've already found many many things of how intelligent tons of beings are including plants and fungi. It fills many who truly come to realize how absolutely not alone we are and how truly connected we are with this planet.
Cruelty is just an artifice the universe is not that at all.
Not really. This doesn't show spiders (yes even portia), plants, and fungi are considerably intelligent at all. It only shows that adaptive behavior is an immensely basic thing not requiring very much complexity to evolve. It doesn't show those things are intelligent, it shows those benchmarks for intelligence are extremely faulty and mostly parroted by people with no real understanding of the hierarchy of intelligence. Usually by people who just sort of pick up learning about random animals and don't really have a broader evolutionary matrix to contextualize the species into.
@@EyeSeeThruYou Tell me you've never watched a nature documentary without telling me.
@@artosbear Yes, that's why it's not about 'intelligence', that's a really abstract concept that applies to anything alive, be it individual or groups, and even to the machines 'we' make. The important part, when it comes to empathizing with something is whether or not they can suffer instead. Plants for example, there's no reason to think they can suffer, or really anything without at least some rudimentary form of a nervous system connecting to cluster of nerve cells that one might call either a ganglion or a brain, and then you gotta find out if they have receptors that respond to noxious stimuli and/or damage and connect to said nervous system, and how their behavior changes in response to such stimuli. And the closer something is to us evolutionarily, the less formal you have to be to figure these things out, because the resemblance becomes clear enough. Like for example with anything mammal you can tell right away since it resembles how one personally would respond. As in there's trembling, rapid convulsion if damaged area is touched, potentially screams, diminished activity etc. So the term "Cruelty" seems to make sense only if you apply it to entities that can suffer, instead of basing it on intelligence. Basing things on intelligence has been...quite the slippery slope historically, and it's easy to use it to rationalize being cruel.
Jumping spiders are the best!!! This is so interesting!
I love the children of time reference with the naming of the spider! Tchaikovskys work is so clever! Great work, I’m excited to see more!!! Here’s hoping Portia is the inheritor of Earth and the ‘human’ race!
Pretty sure you got it backwards. Portia is a species of spider, not a specific name. Based on my brief wiki search, the book is based on genetically modified Portia spiders. So the author choose this group for the book. Probably because they're the smartest of the jumpers, and probably spiders as a whole.
@@user-bt2lx4gy7hI think that's what they meant. It is made clear in the book that "Portia" the inherited name of the, queen? I guess of the matriarchal spiders is just reference to their species.
I currently have a small jumping spider who was at first very cautious around the large flies I was catching him. Now he’s confident and quickly catches them. It certainly felt like he learned how to hunt them.
Ive never seen a jumping spider hang from its silk and just be still 😍 amazing research, thank you and good luck
"I still can't belive that this has not been seen or documented before - cause no one ever looked." This sentence woefully describes human arrogance... we never looked close, because we never suspected something like dreaming arachnids could happen anyway.
This is fascinating. I remember reading a book where the author made the point that, because sleeping is so perilous to the sleeper, if evolution could have found a way around sleep, it wouldn't exist. And yet sleep seems to be universal. Now, maybe if a creature has a nervous system, it dreams?
In humans, while in deep sleep our cerebral spinal fluid is flushed of toxins and the most healing/maintenance occurs.
REM helps consolidate memories, so if an animal has the capacity to learn from past experiences, it most likely will experience REM.
I used to keep a P. Audax by me and would notice her watching my monitor as I watched tv shows and what not, which isn't too important and coincidental most likely lol. But, she'd dream a lot (fang movements etc.) despite me rationing her food schedules. I also had a T. Helluo whom would curl her front legs into herself as she slept. Her fangs would then widen out, as if she was drooling (mouth open and all). So much more interesting things about spiders that we still don't understand and it's so fun to observe.
Dr. Rößler is charming and her excitement is contagious! I'm looking forward to seeing more about spider dreams in the future.
I was going to make a joke about spider's wet dreams, however, it strikes me that watching for a spidery erotic dream, moving parts of their anatomy that's only used at very specific times, might be better than misunderstanding the spasming legs as them running after prey or escaping from a predator.
This comment made me incredibly unwell
Love just thinking about spider dreams
Excellent video/information. Thank you!
We find the jumping spiders around our house are so lovely and intelligent, we are enchanted by their personalities. We also have orb weavers and plump black widows, all fascinating spiders to observe. This was such a wonderful insight into the jumpers, I look forward to seeing how this research unfolds and what it uncovers.
Do spiders dream of electric ants?
Salticids prove how awsome they are once again
i kind of doubt that no one has ever thought of this research question before; but you're the lucky winner who chose to focus their research resources on it. really interesting.
I imagine that we might be able to someday track evidence of overnight changes in cognition and behavior as an indication of dreaming even without self-reporting being a necessity. You couldn't determine what the experience is like for them, but you might be able to see that the brain had been processing information at night by showing either electrical brain activity at night or changes in behavior that suggest an experience other than unconscious sleep has taken place, such as waking up responding to a stimulus that wasn't present externally.
Do spiders have nightmares about humans? It is only fair because I have spiders in my nightmares.
yes, they get creeped out that we don't have enough limbs and that we are 'missing' eyes
I've always been impressed by the western redback,P.johnsonii since i was a kid...the way they followed my finger left to right was neat!
Meanwhile, jellyfish dream but they don't know that because they have no brains.
I think it’s pretty sound to say that dogs dream for sure. Unless there’s some other completely unknown unrelated mechanism that causes them to bark and run in their sleep, it’s the logical conclusion. While it can’t be “proven” in any objective way, it makes sense to treat it as the most logical explanation for that behavior, and then I think this arachnid dream premise is not that far fetched.
I always knew portia were special~
"Now I do not know whether I was then a man dreaming I was a spider, or whether I am now a spider, dreaming I am a man.” --Spider-man
I've always had a special curiosity/suss-ness on spiders. They're different. Obviously they're arthropods, but they're way different to insects, and the differences between those two groups goes back to before they even left the oceans. Spiders have been on their own weird evolution path for a long, long time. That's why they're scary and strange creatures. Almost alien seeming
do spiders have body-thetans?
The lab workers are so pretty 😍
Bravo to the music selection
I'm against the sleep deprivation of spiders give them LSD at least
seen that old film. their still spiders and must die. i'll take their doses. whoops, already did today
Just don't let the crackspider hear about it or there'll be trouble!
@@GronTheMighty facts
@@GronTheMighty Building webs is for suckas
@@GronTheMighty bring on the crack-spider. he shall perish also
I just ask the spider to write down what they dream as soon as they wake up.
Great work!
We consolidate our memories during REM..
Spider: ZZZ.. “I built my web and ended up on that guy’s face ZZ.. AHHH…Whoa! What a nightmare!”
Very cool research!
all these poor little dudes just like EH F OFF IM TRYIN TO SLEEP lel love me some jumpy boys
Spider dreams:
#1 evade predator
#2 catch food
#3 turns up naked to give a speech
After finding the imago, Clarice Starling now examines sleeping spiders.
I imagine this has something to do with the incredible amount of visual processing that these spiders engage in on a regular basis. Perhaps in a similar way that dreaming apparently helps to process and cement memory while the brain chemically recovers from the day, these spiders undergo similar neural stress from the volume of visual data they experience throughout the day. Jumping spiders occupy a similar niche to many small birds and cephalopods, experiencing the pressure of predation at the same time as they look for prey, which could produce situations that require more complex decision-making.
of course they dream.. they have nightmares of being eaten by humans sleeping with their mouths open!!
Best of luck to you Daniela
"The world is burning... But hear me out... Spiders"
😂
that’s nifty. Jumping spiders are excellent.
You could watch for maybe twitching that looks like movement involved in hunting of different prey?
In the spider that hunts other spiders, since they have multiple types of hunting strategies, they might exhibit multiple similar categories of twitching modalities during their sleep
Somewhat unrelated, but I had a near death experience in Summer 2018 and got to meet the "maker" and talk to him about all the questions I had in life. I asked him if everything had consciousness or if sentient life was mixed in with bio-automatons. He replied: "Everything that dreams has a soul". Afterwards, when I came back here, the first thing I wondered was: "Do spiders dream?" Finally, years later, there is a video about the subject. How cool!
when I was young in the 70's I was told by my dads MIT friend that the jumping spiders are one of the only creatures that can make out the craters on the moon ..
interesting work. I have never thought to wonder about spider sleep, let alone do they dream!
That absolutely blows my mind!😂 To think that even the tiniest spider sleeps, and possibly even dreams...it's beautiful!❤
Holy crap! I am so inspired by this video!
jumping spiders are so cool and pretty
Oh, I'm sure they dream, humans tend to think are special, but evidence has proven that we (animal, plant, planet or everything) are alike.
All though I'm courious if dreams have an actually evolutionary advantage or if they are a byproduct
Loved the vid
Your job is awesome
Take care of my little brothers and sisters 🕷️🕸️🕷️
Speaking of sleep deprivation affecting behavior made me think of the book, The Fly. At some point he describes a spider's web being repeatedly destroyed by the author and how the rebuilt web begins to become more and more disorderly. I hate to recommend depriving spiders of sleep and then seeing how their webs fare when destroyed in comparison with spiders that get an undisturbed night's sleep. There's a mad, amoral scientist lurking in is all.
Heartwarming ...and, Cool. :)
excellent subject for the studie being that spiders are one the old species that made it to land
Obviously spiders have higher nervous activity and they have dreams; and, surprisingly, incredibly enhancing influence of serotoninergic psychedelics on their brain activity and web weaving (just like humans) has been known for many decades, I wish this aspect also be researched thoroughly.
Good job.
That's a cool job.
Very interesting. Thanks for this!🙂
My theory is any creature that sleeps for long period of time needs to sleep, to keep their vital functions minimally working to almost a reflex level. This of course exclude hibernating animals who have evolved to turn half their body off.
Please, don't sleep deprave those little guys =(
I was unaware nonvertebrate sleep 🤔
Quite a mind blowing fact that spiders do rem sleep.
For all you bookworms out there who are interested in spiders and in particular the Portia jumping spider, I can recommend “Children of Time” by Adrian Tchaikovsky. It's a science fiction novel in which a genetically engineered virus is released on a new world to speed up the evolution of a group of apes so that they can serve as laborers for the human settlers who would arrive later. But something goes wrong, and instead its spiders and other arthropods that rapidly evolve and grow larger. Large parts of the book are very cleverly written from the perspective of the now intelligent Portia spiders.
Pretty awesome. EWWWE! Pet them all!
Bugs are very abundant and easy to catch for the jumping spiders, but the entire portia species decided to live catching other spiders just to show off 😂
It makes me wonder what dairy farm cows dream of.
What a cool job. It would be amazing to one day know what they dream about. If we can even translate it into something we could understand
Thanks for the analysis! A bit off-topic, but I wanted to ask: My OKX wallet holds some USDT, and I have the seed phrase. (alarm fetch churn bridge exercise tape speak race clerk couch crater letter). How should I go about transferring them to Binance?
We, as humans, do not have exclusivity on dreams/sleep. Please don't sleep deprive spiders...bc then they WILL hate us right back...and I am far more afraid of them bc they have FAR more skill, talent and speed than we do!!!
A butterfly dreaming…
Could you put a bunch in a PET scanner when they are sleeping ?
Maybe the dream is more a simulation of things, like hunting.
Spiders dreaming so cute...
im curious for an update in ~5 years its a very interesting topic!
5:50 and there I was, thinking we could talk research for 10 minutes without dipping into animal cruelty. How naive of me.
Love this!
If cockroaches and houseflies dream too, I'm not gonna be ok with myself.
Do Spiders Dream of Electric Webs
i feel like dogs can do dream reporting sort of. anyone who's had a dog has probably seen them "running" in their sleep and even growling and barking. we had a dog who would often wake herself up by barking at some dream enemy lol.
obviously doesn't completely prove they're dreaming like us but it does seem like it.
Portia huh? Someone has been reading Adiran Tchaikovsky.
If a spider can dream, so can it be possible if all animals. Perhaps the dream function is what unites us to our animal families. And thus we are not so distant from one another after all
Awesome research but the music in this video is really distracting.
We can know that humans dream without reports through for example the Tetris experiments which show humans dream of playing Tetris when they play Tetris all day because we can visualize it on fMRI. I recommend using infrared optical, scanning or two photon optical scanning on spiders and I have more experiments in mind , but a shortage of time. I can tell you 10 experiments that would show that spiders are dreaming and I think you have some in mind too. Don’t say something is impossible when it’s not. And don’t misunderstand skepticism of other minds because such a skepticism makes neuroscience impossible. Recall skepticism is a branch of philosophy and an important one, but once one gets on the boat with a natural ontological attitude (NOA), you have rejected the skepticism behind your sophomoric remark.
"Doctor, I have this recurring dream that my thread is cut and I fall, and fall, and keep falling into an endless pit.
What does it mean?"
"Tell me about your childhood"
"I never met my father, my mother ate him"
"Naturally"
If spiders dream ,then they must sleep crawl ....? 😮
The mechanism behind dreams is complicated and difficult, The How and why is very different for Humans compared to other biological organisms. You could say most complex organisms dream but it's not the same thing.
That's funny, I was just thinking I want to find out if daphnia (waterfleas) sleep.
Are they so different? I think we have preconcieved notions as humans and put our own bodies and how they operate as the best. Just because they have different sensors, why would it be so strange for them to dream. I donno, I think we see ourselves as too important and thus mis out on a lot of interesting facts about other animals.
Keep the spiders from sleeping see what happens?
If spiders dream about owning a flying motorbike then I'll be very surprised 🤷♂
do they count flies when they cant sleep? 🤔
All animals dream. Next question
I think it is more important to find out if Komodo Dragons and Cockroaches dream. The research money should go to that, not spiders. 👱
I love this
I wove SpOWOders
I can barely hear what she is saying in the audio mix. Background music can be useful, but it depends on how you use it, and how you mix it. Also, there is nothing wrong with having a voice speaking without background music and in many cases, it is the better choice.
It will forever baffle me that we continually have to prove the existence of things in other species; we claim to believe in evolution - where nothing just pops into existence but is a series of SMALL changes over time - but act as if we are some exceptional "creation". Emotions is the classic, emotions are behavioural algorithms that direct our actions. If it can move and has a nervous system I'm going to assume it has emotions.
...of electric flies