Gimbals vs Sliders
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- Опубліковано 24 чер 2024
- Gimbals and sliders are both terrific options for adding dynamic camera movements to your footage. However, I don’t believe a gimbal can out-right replace a slider, they both have their own strengths and weaknesses. Each excels at differing shots and each delivers a noticeably different look or feeling. #Gimbal #Slider #Cinematography
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Thank you so much for leaving the complete camera settings on the footages. A lot of people should do this
Thanks @Angelica Amora 😃 Greatly appreciate the feedback and happy to hear you found it helpful👍👍👍
Your work is magnificent. Your delivery is great... who can complain about the scenery... and... beautiful dog! Subbed.
Thanks @Justin Opinion 😃 Greatly appreciate the feedback and support 👍👍👍
Great video as always. I appreciate the non clickbait and concise explanations.
Thanks so much @bugaboos 👍 As some one who also despises click-bait videos, I very much appreciate your kind words 😃😃😃
you’re very talented Neil. I really enjoyed this. Thanks for putting it together for us.
Thanks @AusDoug 👍 Very much appreciate the kind words 😃
This is an extremely well planned and informative video, well done and best wishes
Thanks @Jose Tapia 😃 Greatly appreciate the feedback👍👍👍
I was looking for a way to add some dynamic movement into my b-roll, and I've never gotten good results from a gimbal. This is precisely what I needed to see. Wonderful results and a more precise, methodical shooting process. That fits my style perfectly.
Man, I love your video style, you deserve at least (AT LEAST!) 1 million subscribers.
Ha... thanks @GermanyTechno - I suppose I'd need to upload more frequently for that to happen 😋
ps. you've got some wicked tracks 👍👍👍
INCREDIBLE video!!! Beautifully done. Well thought out. Chock-full of incredibly useful information. The best UA-cam video I think I’ve ever seen. Can’t believe I got to watch that for free. Thank you so much.
Thanks so much @KeeKeeTheDog 😃 Very much appreciate your kind words 👍👍👍
Great video Neil. Love the opening shots with the slug!
Thank @Jeff Westnedge 👍 I suppose most people wouldn't consider a banana slug overly photogenic, but I figured those who appreciate them would enjoy the shots 🤪🤪🤪
Very well done. Just what I needed to see, as I have been debating about getting a slider. I am now getting a slider, as I already have a gimbal.
Cheers
Thanks @Mike Adkins 😃 Greatly appreciate the feedback and happy to hear you found it helpful👍👍👍
Great comparison between two very different tools. Straight to the point, no hype and magnificent shots 👍🏼
Many thanks @Mickael Jansson 👍 Appreciate the feedback😃😃😃
Thanks, for this eally good video with lots of information. Good comparison and solid explination. Strange this video only has 7.200 views , it deserves much more.
Thanks so much @Natuurbelang 👍 Greatly appreciate the feedback and kind words 😃😃😃
Just the introduction I was looking for to both products. Detailed and informative. Thanks
Thanks @Globe Trotsky 😃 Greatly appreciate the feedback and happy to hear you found it helpful👍👍👍
Great video, and I love that you provided us with all the camera settings!
Thanks @@gabrielfrazer-mckee5095 😃 Greatly appreciate the feedback and happy to hear you found it helpful👍👍👍
Great video...I had to remind myself why I still need the slider:). Love your K-9 assistant:)
Many thanks @kathyweigelhi-lophotovideo2984👍 Appreciate the feedback and I'll give Cousteau a few ear scratches for you 😃😃😃
As always your nature footage is amazing!
Thanks so much @Orange Orange 👍 Greatly appreciate your kind words 😃😃😃
Yes they do, i need to learn from him ;)
Thanks Niel, appreciate your efforts gone into producing this video. Your Script & narration is bang on point. Loved the location. Well done 👍🏻, new subscriber here Cheers from Western Australia 🇦🇺🤝🏻
Thanks @iSPIKE 😃 Greatly appreciate the feedback and happy to hear from Western Auz. I have family in Queensland, but have yet to make it too far west... one day it'll happen👍👍👍
I have found my new favorite UA-camr Thanks for your content love your work!
Many thanks @PhotonPhotographyNJ 👍 Though I believe that in order to be considered a true UA-camr, one must upload more frequently than four times a year 😆😆😆
Lucky enough to bump onto this video. I just bought a slider (waiting to receive it). Had my doubts between the two, but now I'm 100% sure I got what I was looking for. Can't wait to get it and start using it to see how I can get the best out of it. Thanks for the review... very, very helpful.
Thanks @miguelsuarez1511 😃 Greatly appreciate the feedback and happy to hear you found it helpful👍👍👍
I watched the video with great interest. I was planning on renting a gimbal for a shoot I have in a courtroom some time in the near future. Definitely wanted moving shots. But having just watched your video, I am rethinking my approach. I think having a slider along as well would greatly enhance those very slow moving shots of the juror's box/chairs and railing. Thanks very much.
@Joseph Friedman I definitely think that's the right choice. Using a gimbal in a confined space doesn't lead to the most dynamic footage.
Another excellent video - so helpful. Thanks.
Thanks so much @Pete Edmunds 😃 Happy to hear you found it informative 👍👍👍
Very great comparisson and explanation!
Thanks so much @mark san agustin 👍 Very much appreciate the kind words 😃😃😃
I always learn to tweak my technique from your videos.
Thanks @JohnnyMcMenamin 😃 Greatly appreciate the feedback and happy to hear you found it helpful👍👍👍
Thanks for the awesome content!
Thanks so much @Josiah Densmore 👍 Greatly appreciate you taking the time to watch and for sharing feedback 😃😃😃
Thanks for the very informative presentation. After watching this video, I combined the two. I attached my Moza Aircross 2 to my slider. I am using a Smallrig Mounting Plate for the Aircross 2 and using "Arca Swiss" type plates and clamps and a Manfrotto MHXPRO-BHQ2 ballhead, and the gimbal is solid, well balanced, and has full movement. I usually mount it on my half ball Hi-hat, which I have customized by adding three 5 section monopods, to make it functional as a full sized tripod as well.
the slider shots came amazing, still wondering how good u took the tree shot in the beginning, the shot the camera moved upwards from the trunk 🌱😀.
i am basically a gimble guy but recently i hv ordered a small travel gimble .. let see hiw much i like it ☺️😁
Awesome!
Hi. Thank you for this brilliant video. It is fascinating and helpful. Can we add a motor to a simple slider lacking any motors?
exactly what i was looking for, thanks and well explained
Thanks @Harry Olivier Productions 😃 Greatly appreciate the feedback👍👍👍
Good work mate, brilliant 👏
Many thanks @Boss 👍 Appreciate the feedback😃😃😃
A super professionnel toturial thank you so much
Many thanks @AMARTIL Official 👍 Appreciate the feedback😃😃😃
Informative. Thank you!
Thanks @Strength and Grace Movement 👍👍👍
Amazing! any links to the gear you used?
you deserve more views, so professional
Thanks so much @Last Of Us Part II 😃 Though I suppose I need to upload more frequently for the UA-cam algorithm to like this stuff 😋
Just added one more like and one more subscriber -:)
Very informative and a cool made...thanks for your work...👍
Thanks @Studio Bonn 😃 Greatly appreciate the feedback and happy to hear you found it helpful👍👍👍
Good info!... On Dec 19 2021, I was looking for a slider and I noticed that most stores and Amazon, at least in Canada have a very limited slider stock. Probably cause by the gimbal popularity.
But for my style and oldness I still prefer to have a slider :)
Nicely presented and wise advice.
Many thanks @peterplantec7911 👍 Appreciate the feedback😃😃😃
This video is Awesome.. thanks for the great tips
Thanks @Mac or Die 😃 Appreciate the feedback 👍👍👍
awesome video, I learned a lot. :)
PS: It would be very helpful if you could post links of these gears in the description. :)
Thanks @Merlin Dionisio 😃 I'm honestly not overly inclined to post product links within video descriptions. Equipment featured in the videos I create is purchased with my own dollars - and unsolicitedly driving traffic to a manufacture's website feels too much like free advertising for them. I realize this may sound counterintuitive, as I mention specific products by name and discuss them at length, but that's in an attempt to educate and share my opinion with others.
Having said that if you're curious as to what gear I used to create this video - check out the "What's In My Camera Bag Video": ua-cam.com/video/Uye1vt02YIw/v-deo.html
Quality content and a well placed Star Wars reference at the start 👌
😂😂😂 @Jordan Chase I can't believe that it's taken this long for somebody to mention/acknowledge the Star Wars reference. Props to you sir 👍👍👍
Thanks for your encouragement!
I'm currently designing & building a 1500mm long custom designed three axis motorized heavier duty slider, primarily intended for use on "short film productions". Captivating images and exciting footage being the end goal... with some luck and continued perseverance...
I already have a Zhiyun Crane 3S gimbal, but it's SO HEAVY, especially with my Canon C100 MkII (or any other camera) mounted with lens, etc. Sadly, It's not as productive for me as I'd hoped because of the weight and complexities of operation.
The Star Wars reference made me subscribe right away lol ;) I knew I would like you immediately
@macchoudhry5868 - somehow, you're only the second person to actually catch said Star Wars reference 😂😂😂
@@neilfisher whhaaaa?!? 😂
That's a quality video, definitively I agree with the rest of the comments. I hope you get more views and for sure I will be recommending your content to friends.
Thanks @Josué Galeano Páez 😃 Greatly appreciate the feedback👍👍👍
like the style and the music!
Thank you very much for great video and very useful information. It helped me further!
Thanks @Pawel Grebenkin 😃 Greatly appreciate the feedback and happy to hear you found it helpful👍👍👍
Very useful and informative. Nice explained. Thank you for sharing your experience and your most important thing...your time. greetings from Italy.
Grazie @Paolo Nervi 😃 Greatly appreciate the feedback 👍👍👍
Hello, nice work.
I use the Ronin S and it takes a lot, a lot of training before I can take very smooth shots. Good job
Many thanks @OSS 66 👍 The DJI Ronin-S is a great piece of kit and as you said, it requires a fair bit of practice before it can deliver quality shots. Here's what I really think of the Ronin-S: ua-cam.com/video/no7-Fc3b8P0/v-deo.html ... shameless plug 😆😆 😆
I wish I could add a flywheel to the Dynamic Motion system. I tried the Evo in a shop once it was so smooth with the damping from the flywheel.
so useful!!! thanks a million times!
Many thanks @Stéphane S. 👍 Appreciate the feedback😃😃😃
Very well donde video and review of both gimbal and slider. Could you share the model of your tripod?
Thanks @Gabriel Altamirano 😃 For information on my tripod system, check out my other video: ua-cam.com/video/2x0jIaRdKOo/v-deo.html
because they are very different tools - just wondering off you've made a video on just using a gimbal - gimbal movements - & how to use a slider? to get the maximum from both?
Nicely done! Thank you for this video! Learned a lot from this
P.s. why 30 FPS? And Not 24 or 23.976?))
@Зигмунд Фрэйд I use 29.97fps because I prefer the way it looks. Having worked in broadcast television for many years, it's a style I've grown to rely on 👍
Very good vedio and explaining i like. Keep rocking i will support you and share with my friends
Thanks @Sv Madhan 👍 Greatly appreciate the support 😃😃😃
Very amazing information, right now I own moza air 2, since I shot a food product on an indoor studio it seems slider is much much better than a gimbal, isn't it? I guess I should invest more on slider.
@Rangga Putra shots of food would certainly benefit from a slider. The ability to make slow and perfectly stable shots definitely will make food terrific 👍👍👍
I always thought I could mimic the smooth shots that a slider makes with my steady hands and my gimbal, but oh was I wrong, the difference is truly there. What is the type of slider you've used? Great, great video by the way! Keep it up
I forgot the exact model of Rhino but he tells you specifically in the video.
Rhino Slider Evo
Awesome video tutorial. Hello! I'm very new in filmmaking industry. I've been using Gimbal Ronin the small version SC but never have expirience to use a Slider. As a beginner should I need to buy or learn the slider? if so Which affordable slider should I get to start?
Hi @Francis Garcia - if you're happily using the Ronin-SC and are able to successfully capture the shots you're envisioning - it may not be necessary to also have a slider. Having said that, a slider is a sound investment that quickly and easily adds great production value to your footage. I personally really do enjoy using the Rhino Slider, though it doesn't need the motorized motion control system - and passing on this system would save you a few dollars. I also very much like how the Rhino Slider is a system, in that you can purchase individual pieces and slowly upgrade the slider as you're able to afford more pieces of their system. Hope this helps 👍👍👍
Your videos are wonderful and great for learning Neil! Is it possible to put the product links that you are using in the video description? It would be great and super useful if someone wants to buy these useful tools!
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my eyes are permanently stuck looking at my nose after I saw the 2 gimbal shots overlayed
@woahtherr5371, yes not exactly the best means of comparing shots 😂😂😂
Amazing! Thank you
Many thanks @Antonio Candalice 👍👍👍
Amazing video! 14min that pass without perceive... Great job
Many thanks @Daniel Avelar 👍 Appreciate the feedback😃😃😃
Impressive and very didatic. Thank you!
Many thanks @paulofelipe8060 👍 Appreciate the feedback😃😃😃
Superb! many thanks!
Thanks @Leo Barco 😃 Greatly appreciate the feedback👍👍👍
When filming on the slider with the 100mm and filming the stump. One of the images had some hopping. What causes that? Is it the software? Or some type of frame drop?
Thanks for the comparison. I'm new to video and thinking to put my Ronin sc mounted on a slider so it can pan and tilt. What do you think?
Thanks @Tony Malferrari 👍 It's not a bad idea, but the extra height of the gimbal wouldn't likely be overly stable.
very useful. Thanks a million.
Thanks @PPITTAK삐딱 😃 Greatly appreciate the feedback👍👍👍
Who are the lames who downvoted this video? I have both and thoroughly enjoyed this.
Haha... thanks @rappeezy 👍 Admittedly, there are aspects of this video I'd like to have spent more time on... but they likely wouldn't have made a huge difference 🤪
Very nice and informative, indeed.
Thanks @Joy of Filming 😃 Greatly appreciate the feedback and happy to hear you found it helpful👍👍👍
Omg how did you record the sound of the snail?? I'm super impressed 😲
@garreswe, foley art in the kitchen ringing out a wet cloth created the desired noise 👍👍👍
very good video :)
Thanks for your effort :)
Many thanks @Wasilij Cerkasow 👍 Appreciate the feedback😃😃😃
I'm glad I clicked on this video. It basically answered ALL my questions and some I didn't even know I had. Thank you.
Thanks @Ade Torrent 😃 Greatly appreciate the feedback and happy to hear you found it helpful👍👍👍
Before I ask of anything I must say I really enjoyed this video! However, 3 questions. Firstly, what kind of slider do you use? Secondly, how do you accomplish pushin and pushout shots without revealing the slider track. Lastly, does the motor come with the slider? Thank You
Thanks for the feedback @Never Wifed 😃 The slider used throughout this video is the Rhino Slider Evo. To create push and pulls without revealing the slider, you simply place the camera on an arm and attach the arm to the slider - this way the camera hangs over the front of the slider. Alternatively, using a focal length that isn't overly wide will also allow you to push and pulls without the slider entering the frame. The Rhino Slider Evo has many optional components - the motor can be purchased separately if desired. Hope this helps 👍👍👍
@@neilfisher what size is the slider 24"?
I love your channel.
Many thanks @Noelle Perrotta 👍 I really appreciate your support 😃😃😃
Amazing video. How do you shoot the clip at 0:43 ?
Thanks @il lolo 😃 The shoot looking directly down on the two leaves with the flowing Creek below was shot using the slider mounted on a fluid headed tilted straight down. The framing is just barely between the tripod legs. 👍👍👍
You should make a tutorials or tips playlist for these vids
Great comparison emphasising why you should use the best tool for the job. I personally like to use the head only of my Ronin SC on my motorised slider. Why fork out big bucks on a pan tilt head for your slider when you have all the same functionality and more on the gimbal? ok so i have to hit two play buttons at the start . I am fortunately endowed with ten fingers!
@Colin Henderson I've only mounted a Ronin-S on a motorized slider once, but found the relative tall height of the gimbal created excessive shake when moving.
Used to have two gimbals for my mirrorless cameras, but I sold them because I didnt like jittery moves. Maybe I shoulg get a slider
@ry ta I have both a gimbal and a slider - and honestly, the slider is used significantly more 👍👍👍
Went thru the same evolution... got the Moza Air II with the Nikon Z6 Filmmakers kit, so I took it for a whirl.. but ended up getting the Rhino and using the Slider MUCH more!!!
In fairness, I’m shooting a play, in studio, and need to repeat patterns of movement and focus... whole I would still use a gimbal for run and gun, outdoor, action shots... but - even that - is much easier using an iPhone 11 on my Zhiyun or Osmo (than trying to balance the Z6 every time I take off the lens cap!!! And one has to ask, is the 4K quality of the iPhone WORTH shooting 4K on the Z6???
@George Rady the battle of smartphones versus dedicated video cameras, will at this point in time - be won by the dedicated video camera. The ability to capture higher bit rates with richer colour depths is a clear reason to ditch the smartphone 👍👍👍
What is the tripod used in this video? It seems really great
I have both and see the point of having both.
I went with the Gimbal before the slider and quickly found myself wanting something more accurate and capable of producing smooth shots of macro subjects - enter the slider 😃
I would like to know if you made your own "timecode" bar at the bottom of the frame. I'd like to start doing this, but would HATE to have to input all that information every time. After throwing on some "cinematic" aspect ratio black bars, I could still have the info there and frame up a nice useable shot. Can you please tell me how you did that? Thanks. And thank god for your channel. Finally someone showing how to film without all the hipster gimmicks being sold to people trying to genuinely learn a craft and NOT look like a Peter MacKinnon rip-off.
@MIguel Trejo there is no easy means of adding EXIF data to these videos. I go through the entire editing process and after deciding upon which pieces of B-roll to use, I'll add the associated EXIF information.
And remember... adding black bars to increase the aspect ratio doesn't increase how 'cinematic' a sequence feels #HipsterGimmick. Just spend more time ensuring a shot looks great directly out of the camera. 👍👍👍
The doggie in the shot at 5:00 is like "ive spent a lot of time teaching him, now listen to him and learn".
Haha... @mgr5550 😆😆 😆 He's spent way too long listening to me ramble to the camera in the middle of the forest 👍
@@neilfisher > How come you venture into the woods to make these videos ? you have locations like this quite close to your house ? Or you live in the outskirts where its wooded ?
Fantastic question @mgr5550 and the answer is two fold. Firstly, I can't stand how the overly whelming majority of photo and video focused content on UA-cam is filmed in a perfectly lit basement - and so, simply to be different I try my hardest to produce all my content outdoors. Secondly, I love being in the wilderness and it's where I capture all my video and photos - so why not reflect this in what I share 👍
@@neilfisher > Yes if you feel more rooted in that ambience that will also help you perform better on your videos. That's why authors go off to countryside cabins to write their books. The ambience is very important for creative performance.
PS : All the hokey YT basement setups are permanent and get boring for regular subscribers. Whereas you'll always be able to change your ambience to suit each and every video.
Thanks Neil that was much appreciated and very well put together - gimbal balancing is an art ! Brobdingnagian....
Thanks @Twiglet 22 😃 Greatly appreciate the feedback👍👍👍
@@neilfisher As a result of watching i received a GVM GP80QD today which i got for £269 on an Amazon limited time deal and to go with it the Manfrotto Befree 3 Way Live Head so looking forward to setting them up.The gimbal i bought is the FeyuTech G6Max but it won't handle the Fuji XT-4 so the slider will be very useful.Thanks for the video Neil.
Great video augmented by fun music. Music credit?
Thanks @C Conrey 😃 The music is simply some free stuff from UA-cam's own music library 👍
Did you use the motion control system for those sample footages by slider? Or are they all done manually?
@user-nu8bf3bf9m for the shots included in this video, I'd say that 75% of the shots did use the motion control system, with the remainder being simple hand-pushed slides 👍👍👍
That video was very well made. Your nature shots are amazing. However, that double shot and overlapping difference between gimbal and slider is moot as you only need one single shot for any film you make. Maybe for actual subjects like people running or some choreography, you need more precise and flawless moves.
Thanks @montrealfilmguy 👍 However, I don't think the comparison is moot. As you said, there are many scenarios when filming talent exchanging dialogue or preforming choreographed movements would greatly benefit from accurate shots being repeated multiple times. Admittedly, using a stationary rotting log isn't the best example to highlight this capacity, but... it's all I've got 🤪
what camera you using to shoot the footage in the video?
@John Smith this video was shot using the Canon 5D mark IV and Canon 1DX mark II - ua-cam.com/video/Uye1vt02YIw/v-deo.html 👍👍👍
Some good points made, but extreme / black and white reasoning at times. A tripod, head, and slider weigh a lot, and it doesn't take "hours" to balance a gimbal. Both have pros and cons. I'll take both, please!
For the slider:
How doesn't the slide collapse? I got one and having problem with attaching to my tripod
Hii sir, these shots are really amazing, satisfying and eye catchy, sir can I use few shots for my cover song youtube video(less than 10 seconds), I will give all the required credits to you and your channel.
Many thanks @Bidhan RY 👍 Appreciate the feedback😃😃😃
For licensing and purchasing of rights please use my email available on my website. All unauthorized use of footage is a violation of its copyright.
What about the flex problem when the slider reaches the end? Do you have this problem with this slider? Thanks
@lacenaepronta - that's a great question and certainly something that is often experienced with lower quality sliders. Fortunately, the carbon fibre rails of this slider don't flex when the camera system reaches either end. I've used this system with a Canon 1DX mark II and 70-200mm f/2.8 L IS II... which is not in the least a light weight setup - and the rails remained straight and flat the entire time 👍👍👍
I mean, these are totally different tools. One can't replace the other completely.
@Satorikn well you've gone a spoiled the ending of this video 😂😂😂
Wonderful video
Many thanks @frogman 👍 Appreciate the feedback😃😃😃
Where you left that bin with the slider... :P
Ha.... I made sure to properly clean the inside of the bin prior to tossing the slider in there 😆
What is the difference between precision and accuracy?
Ha... fair question @Martinz show 😝😝😝
I noticed you had the 5d mk 2, I have a 5d mk4. What kind of a gimble would you recommend
the camera that I use on-camera throughout this video is a Canon 5D mark II.... however, all aspects of this video were captured with a Canon 5D mark IV. Today, I'd recommend the DJI RS3 Pro to pair with a Canon 5D mark IV. Hope this is what you were after 👍👍👍
@@neilfisher Thanks for the advice. I also have the mark IV.
This is exactly why I chose to combine the Ronin RS 2, the Syrp Genie II with a slider to always get perfect shots and still have the option of having a gimbal on its own when needed and all of that was less expensive than what a full package from Rhino or Edelkrone costs...
I agree with a lot of points but I'm also going to nuance a few.
Setting up a gimbal does take time. However once you get the hang of it and if you have a gimbal with axis locks it really isn't that big a deal. I think I can balance most of my setups within 1 to 2 minutes. If your setup isn't near the weight limit of the gimbal you have a fair bit of leeway anyways as the motors can easily overcome a bit of unbalance. Will drain the batteries faster but that's alright.
With a decent autofocus lens and camera there's quite a few shots you can do just on auto-focus. Especially Sony with its face detection does a good job when shooting hoomans.
When you use... here we go again... a Sony camera you can easily change the settings of your camera on your phone if need be. The phone than can be put on your gimbal with a little holder.
That being said switching lenses is definitely annoying. Ideally you need a shot-list so you can shoot everything that needs a specific lens one after another to minimize rebalancing.
When it comes to sliders (I'm quite new to them) setting them up in general is quite simple however specific shots require actual setup time and planning as well and especially when indoors where space is limited setting up a bigger slider (requiring 2 tripods) can be a challenge on its own.
So where the slider indoor can be tricky to position the minimal footprint of the gimbal means you can use it in nearly any space.
Sliders also aren't that much cheaper than gimbals. Considering gimbals can mimic more move types they have a certain value.
That being said: the reproducibility and consistency of a slider can't be beat.
I choose slider between 31 and 39 inches (80 or 100 sm). What will be more versatile?
@Никита Розенберг a longer slider would certainly be more versatile. However, there is a limit to how long a slider can be before its length becomes cumbersome to manage - and travel with.
@@neilfisher thanks! what length do you prefer?
Now that's a nice tripod.
My $20 tripod is weeping
Great video. What dog breed is that?
Thanks @Alex Campbell 👍👍👍 Cousteau gets this question rather often - and our go-to answer is, "he's an everything". His mother was found as a stray amongst the oil rigs outside of Kindersley, Saskatchewan, and was pregnant at the time. The litter was likely comprised of multiple fathers - as many of the puppies looked very different from one another. The mother was also a mix of unknown breeds. His closest doppelganger in the Netherlands is known to be 75% Malinois and 25% Rottweiler.
@@neilfisher :))
Sliders are cool but always flat look !gimbals whit practice can give you incredible shots just don’t buy moza air 2 lol