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ALWAYS keep comic bagged regardless of additional protection / capsulation.
Polypropylene (PP) is the same cheap plastic used on the cheap comic bags that leech plasticizers. These plasticizers then leech ink out of the books. This is because while PP is normally considered inert and suitable for archival purposes, when it comes into contact with acid, they leech plasticizers. Older comics printed one newsprint (up until early 2000's basically) are highly acidic. Eventually the comics will leech acid (gas), which will interact with the PP. This is why the recommend you replace all you PP bags every 3-5 years.
Eventually, the back cover will stick to the protector and it will destroy the back cover when you remove it. This is a 10-40 year time frame before they get that sticky. Depending on the book, storage condition (heat), sunlight, venting (of the enclosure), etc.
This is comic history 101. How a manufacturer of comics products wouldn't know this is beyond me, unless they just did no historical research.
And not all old books are printed on cheap newsprint (and not all new books are printed on low acid stock). Some DC books back in the 80's were printed on Baxter paper, which is an acid free paper. Mondo is a low acid paper.
When you see image on a backerboard, this is a different process. This is acid leeching out of the paper. It leeches out differently in areas with different inks (thickness), so the image it leaves on the backerboard is like a negative image, caused by the acid browning the backer (like interior pages yellowing and then browning due to the acid).
Using acid free backerboards, which are buffered (base pH), allow the boards to absorb the leeched acid and neutralizes it. So you will not see this effect if you use good quality acid free, buffered boards. you can also place barrier chamber paper inside the comics, which will also absorb leeched acid.
If you are putting your books in these Comic Capsules, it sounds like you are sticking them in something made out of a cheap material with a well known mechanism of damaging comics. But you are also probably putting your comics in cheap PP sleeves that cost $.05... so carry on I guess!
I switched to Mylar and buffered backing boards 30 years ago and never looked back. Yes, its more expensive, but why collect something if you can't afford to properly care for it. PP bags (and these capsules) are for books you don't care about beyond a year or two (in otherwords, books you don't plan to keep).
I would rather be limited to having 100 comics well cared for my entire life, then 200 comics I just let degrade because I can't afford to care for them.
Is this actually correct or you just b.s.ing
Without writing out a lecture in comic bag history. All comics off gass. The more acidic the paper and ink used, the more they off gas. This gas is acidic in nature. Older books tend to be more acidic, so the off gas is more acidic.
PP is gas permeable. This means this acidic gas can penetrate into the structure of PP and break it down. Something like Mylar is not gas permeable (think open cell foam vs closed cell foam as a comparison).
Some PP manufactures claim it is free of plasticizers (and they can say anything), and maybe plasticizer isn't the corret word to use. I guess I should technically say plastic additives leech out, as they may not technically be considered a plasticizer and instead an additive (plasticzier is an additive, but not all additives are plasticizers). Tomato, tomatoe... It could be plasticizers, UV stabilizers, flame retardents, etc, etc. There are several THOUSAND formulations of PP on the market.
Again, I believe the recommendation fo PP and comics is to replace every 3-5 years. In general, this is how long it takes acidic off gassing to start to degrade the PP. Less acidic books may take much longer. More acidic books could take less than 3 years.
BCW, probably the largest manufacturer of comics supplies, says you should be replacing those PP bags every 3-5 years. There is no reason why the same guidance wouldn't apply to these comic capsules, toss them after 3-5 years; maybe more often with highly acidic books. Heat , humidity and UV exposure can accelerate this process and shorten the time frame. These three things have the potential to accelerate the process by either degrading the plastic, or increasing the rate at which the comic off gasses. I believe the 3-5 year recommendation is based on 70-75F storage, 40% humidity, near 0 UV exposure.
If they want something more lasting and less likely to harm your book, they should be looking at some variation of a PET. I believe CGC is currently using PETG on inner wells, so they may want to start there. Not as good as Mylar, but has other benefits (like being more flexible so you can make moving joints). If you display where sun can reach them, you would want PETG with a UV stabilizer, like the platic used by MOC Masters action figure protectors.
All that being said, the other side to this coin is if the bags didn't absorb the acidic gas, and the comics weren't open to a free exchange of air, that acid gas doesn't go anywhere, which means it is left trapped in the bag, working on yellowing your comic.
This is why you see so many mylar products with open tops and no flaps. Or you see CGC add microchamber paper to the inside of the comic (the paper can absord its own weight in acidic gas). Or you use buffered backer boards in mylar bags with flaps (the buffer neutralizes tha acidic gas). If they made comic capsules from PET, then they need to have a way for them to vent, have some sort of PH buffer inside them, or require to to put microchamber paper in the book before going in the capsule.
YOU are the one who saved ALL of our comics, Sticky! NEVER let ANYONE forget that! From this moment going forward, we ALL owe our ENTIRE collections to YOU!
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😂😂 love ur sarcasm.
Thank you for saying this it means a lot
@@kitescuriosities7717he was promoting them a few Months ago!
Lol
This problem with ink transfer happens on boards as well. However, I mostly see it in older books that haven't had bag and board changes in years.
Exactly. I’ve had imprints of the ink from the *inside* of the back cover transfer to the boards. It’s weird. 🙂
Yeah u can read the ad on the board lol
Change your boards every few years
If an imprint is left on the plastic it must have come off of the comic. That sounds damaging to the book to me.
Exactly
"we have received no reports" .... 1 report and counting*
I wouldn't trust this new product/material against a raw comic. use trusted bags and boards
Also, if I were going to still use the modern Comic Capsule, I would just place a board between the comic and the back plastic. You don't need to use a bag. The front is made from a different type of plastic.
That's a great idea. Imma try that with my red silver age comic capsule and see what the results will be. Thanks for the suggestion 😁👍🏽
Thanks for addressing this because I am definitely considering investing in these capsules instead of sending my books to a grading company. I will make sure my book is in a poly bag before placing it in a capsule. 👍
It happens with bagged and boarded older comics too. I have seen imprints from the back cover on backing boards when changing out old bags and boards.
Different mechanism. The image on the backerboard is aging (browning due to acid given off by the comics).
What is happening on the capsules is the comics are off gasing acid. The acid interacts with PP. This causes plasticizers to leech out of the PP. Then the plasticizers cause color to leech off the books.
The first is only damaging to the backer. The second is damaging to the comic.
I have 56 capsules and none of my comics are damaged. Then again i have all my comics in bags and boards in my capsules so im safe. 😊
Don’t use the capsules. Use Mylar!!!! Did I just save thousands of comics? Am I a hero too?
You my heroooooooooo
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Your my hero don't put your comics in tombstones.
I would give you 1000 thumbs up. Anyone who knows comic collecting history knows Mylar (polyester) is the best material for comic storage.
CGC gets close. They use PET or PETG (polyesters) are the inner well sleeve when they slab books. At least its in the right family of plastics.
These comic capsule guys seem like someone who did zero material research and don't know anything about the history of preserving comics.
You are definitely the hero we need Sticky Goose 😁👍🏽 I actually bought a red silver age comic capsule in late December for my comic book i created and haven't experienced any issues with ink smearing on mines.
I mentioned to them on Instagram that perhaps it's due to the paper quality certain comic books are made out of. Those silver age books didn't have the same premium paper some books have today. But honestly, it could be multiple reasons why these issues are happening with the capsules. Anyways keep up the great content.
National hero! Preserve and. protect!
Holy....I didn't know it would leave an imprint like that. I literally emailed them about the haziness back in October, but it didn't look as crazy as your imprinted one so maybe they didn't take it seriously? Either way, I'm happy with their accountability and approach to the situation now.
We don’t need another hero, all we want is life beyond ink transfer
I had nothing but problems when I tried using these holders. I first bought a modern sized Comic Capsule. I use Mylar bags with my comics, but nobody makes a size 6 7/8 Mylar bag (that's the size bag you have to use with the modern sized Comic Capsule). I had to put my comic in the Comic Capsule without a bag or board.
Next, when they released the silver age sized, I bought one because it said it fit 7 1/4 inch bags. Mylar bags do come in 7 1/4 inch widths. When I received it, I noticed the back part was warped. It was almost touching the front part. I contacted them and they sent me a new one.
When I got the replacement, I tried to use it. When I slid the bagged and boarded comic into the Comic Capsule, I could not close the top. It was too small. The internal height is listed as 10.5 inches. Every comic board made is 10.5 inches tall.The problem is when you put a board inside a bag and close the flap, its height exceeds 10.5 inches. It adds another 1/8 inch to the height.
The only way I could use it was to trim some of the board down. I cut 3/16 of an inch off the board. When I did that, I could close the top of the Comic Capsule.
I decided not to go forward with this product. I felt as though they still had some work to do before getting it right.
Best advice i can give is use mylar bags then put the books into the capsules, i have the magnetic case's and I put my books in mylar then the case's , the logic is the mylar already makes your covers pop and the case's do the same put both together and it just looks right
Finally something important to know. And a tips/advice/warning at the same time if we buy capsules. Thank you.
100%! The ink transferred from the comic to the plastic, may lead to issues grading the books in the future, if you ever grade raw books again.
If you PROMOTED this product without knowing the long term effectiveness of it, then didn't you possibly cause thousands of comics to be destroyed?
I mean if you throw a baby into a burning building and then run in to resuce it, how many pats on the back do you deserve?
That's why you should collect comics not put them in a tomb and collect covers hoping for big numbers for money.
Nothing beats a good 1/2 or full back board and mylar bag. In the end, all the materials need to be archival and even then, just keep an eye on the stuff. I know the engineer is reviewing, but they may need to speak with the formulation chemist as well. They may have substituted lower quality materials in the manufacturing process to increase profits and may or may not have communicated the change to that company. This is why you also see two materials (front and back of the case are not the same) used to make the 1 finished product. In the end, plastic is plastic, and it will break down, just at a different rate. I imagine the CGC cases inner sleeve doing the same in time...a long time, but in time.
They say bag it, but would inserting their other product (the Comic Cape) on the back side of the comic inside the capsule also solve the problem rather than bagging the book?
Just stick em in the ole board n bag n n the white box :)
"Rick from Immaculate Comics is curing cancer or visiting the Louvre or something" hahah
only one that said anything about that
Seems like way better customer service than CGC.
It's called gas ghosting, when the gas from the inks from the book get trapped it transfers to usually the paper on top of ea other. There must be something in the plastic
You are the hero, bro! Could this effect be catalyzed by environmental factors? Is that room very humid? Does it fluctuate often in temperature from very warm to very cold, etc? Anything else you could think of?
What’s the point of collecting comics when you can read any of them for free online on an overseas website?
Epic collections are better than single issues. You don’t have to worry about bags.
You are the hero we need SG
You was promoting the Comic Capsules a Few Months ago!!! 😡
Christ Goose! Some of those books could use a press 😂 Im 20 mins south of Morgantown if you ever need a guy 🤙
You just want to dox him!!! Stay away from the Goose!
This is why we Veve
That's happened to backboards on me before
These capsules need a microchamber paper much like the CGC cases have. Problem solved
Solution = Free bags! 🤣🤣
I dont even bag and board my books lol
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Great to see this customer service
I know you’re getting hammered by a few in the comments section, but I find both your presentation and the commenters funny. 😄 Heard about this a few days ago in a Swagglehaus video. I ran into the same problem a few others on here mentioned about not being able to close it. Thinking about using a bag, board, and one of those cheap little frames from Dollar Tree to see how that might work.
snicklefritz jumped on this faster than a fly on poop
@@Stickygoose Yeah it’s wild he beat you to it when you knew about it first. Crazy fast.
Dude my 90s comics could have become rare if you hadn't caught this. Hopefully answers will e forth coming and won't cause the company to go under.
Job well done.
Nice way to make it better.
still a newbie hanging them up . valuable ones at that -lol .
Capsule gate! What a mess
Hard pass
Are you a diagnosed narcissist? Can you relay information without trying to make yourself the center point? Fiftieth strike. Block.
Are incapable of grasping humor or sarcasm, it’s ok if you can’t
"situation that we ran into"???.. give me the research and development dept , not some engineer. Comic capsule is done. So glad i didnt buy them. Their test team is garbage
So there using polyurethane, 😂 Teflon. Um yikes 😬.
Sticky Goose the peoples champ
It looks like the Comic capsule was made from recycled Silly putty!!!!!
People dont like you because your douchey and come off as holier than thou...learn to be a little humble and not so critical of everyone else and you would probably have a much larger channel.
But I am better than you in every way…
That's what I love about you sticky goose, your attention to detail
A sticky substance no doubt.
Not all heroes wear capes. Some wear clean black-on-black MAGA hats. Good job, Sticky.
Completely off topic, but I like your Dungeons & Dragons shirt SG.
The Hero I need.......😅
You're Batman!!😊