PURGING WITH MY KIN THESE ORKS THEY NEVER LEARN WE ARE HOW THEY FALL DESTROYING ALL THE XENOS!!! (Points to anyone who can get this reference, hint: it's a well known song)
Rewatching the series, and all I can think of when Arch says “sabotaging the Ork vehicles” is the enslaved workers splashing them with non-red paint so they don’t go fast anymore.
@@omegawilliam95s36 that would only work if the orks are told/know that ‘slow’ is written on the engine. It works through belief and collective psychic power
Am I the only one who finds these numbers to be ridiculously low for a planet spanning war? I mean, it should be impossible to defend an entire world with only 8 milion men. Germany raised 11 million men during ww2 with a population of less than 100 million. And we have to believe that a planet of 500 billion, entirely focused on industry, is incapable raising a bigger army?
I guess there are regulations on how many troops are suppossed to be on a planet at a time. Plus i'm pretty sure a lot of Armageddon Regiments were off world helping out in other wars. Also these numbers only show the start of the war. As far as I know the War for Armageddon is still going on to this day. Cause the Orks dug themself some nice holes to continue bothering the planet whenever they feel like it.
This subject is one of my few problems with warhammer 40k official stuff, mostly because I have a calculated that the population of the Imperium of man is somewhere between several hundred Quadrillion and tens of Quintillions in number. It is a wartime society meaning a large population would be military. so Quadrillions of guardsmen would be active. if even a single percent of the smaller number is true. it also makes me question the amount of space marines as well, for a super gigantic sci-fi universe the world ending battles are ungodly small in comparison
@@andrewmayo9400 Frankly, its amazingly fortunate the Waagh kicked off so "early" in the history of the Imperium, imagine if it had kicked off at the same time as the Damocles crusade!
315 TITANS!! I don't care how cunning an Ork is, he's going to have his ass blasted into the embrace of Gork and Mork with that much fire power pointed at him!
[Two Guardsman Defending alone 1 certain point, one Guardsman Yell to the enemy] Guardsman #1: *Kill 1 Guardsman, a 100 more come-* Guardsman #2: [Whisper to #1] *Psst, psst... it's actually 2 militia for 1 Guardsman.* Guardsman #1: *Okay then, KILL 1 GUARDSMAN, 2 MILITIA WILL COME-* Guardsman #2: [Whisper again to #1] *Psst, psst... they are already Dead...* Guardsman #1: *By Emperor... KILL 1 GUARDSMAN... ahh THIS GUARDSMAN BESIDE ME WILL REPLACE-* Ork Kommandos: [Whisper to #1] *PSST Humie... Ur Frindz Ets Dedz...* Guardsman #1: *FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCKK!!!* Ork Kommandos: *WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGHHHHHH!!!*
The weird thing for me is how small these numbers seem for a planet sized war. There are 27 million soldiers on this planet right now, but only 8 million soldiers on Armageddon, despite it's importance and population in the billions?
Something I've always thought about GW's numbers is that the military numbers should be at least 10 times larger for what they claim happens. While the ship crew sizes have the opposite problem, with some of them needing 10k crew members. wtf
Why would you empty a planet of your best soldiers who have trained and lived their all their lives, know the environment and how to fight in it when you know it is a key strategic planet and under treath of a massive ork invasion. And then ask for troops from as far as Cadia (which is on the other side of the galaxy) to defend it. And we talk about the soviets you conscripted 10% of their population during ww2 but if we take the population of Armagedon which is estimated to be around 500 Billions, and trained and armed 1% of the population they could field a force of 5 billion. More then enough to beat the orks from defensive positions
From what ive gathered. There are verry many super important places. The imperium is like a feudal, religious version of a monarchy, with several attributes from nazi germany, and soviet russia. You are basically fighting and endless loosing battle constantly. Supply lines and transportation is pretty damn random etc etc etc. And it is also a verry corrupt, verry inefficient empire with shoddy communications.
8 million doesn't seem like that much really, who ever wrote the conflict had no sense of scale. WW2 Involved closer to 100 million people than 10 who would have been the period equivalent to the imperial guard.
Honestly this is true for much of warhammer 40k. The numbers never make senses. If they scaled it correctly the numbers would always be incredibly huge (the imperium has a population of four quadrillion) and very difficult to picture battle of this scale. Just ignore the numbers.
@@robertnelson9599 Its a number i've seen on reddit. Its supposed to be the population of a mid-sized hive world times the number of hive worlds. So its a very low estimate.
Arse Blaster personally I would like to see Arch do a series of extremely in depth lore on each of the Primarchs (most likely excluding the two unknown primarchs) similar to how he did the video on Conrad Curze aka The Night Haunter.
1.I figured a Black Templars Crusade is approximately 600 Astartes, the total forces on Armageddon being 1800 Marines. 2. The loophole for going over 1,000 Astartes is for when the Chapter is on Crusade, and since the Black Templars are always on Crusade, they are technically Codex-compliant...
the thing black Templars still have to obey the tithe edict of gene seed and they seem to avoid doing so. so yeah they are breaking the codex. crusade you still got to obey the rules.
Yes and I would actually think it is half because in the movie helsreach said that they had over 900 because they had most of their forces in space to board the orks
A lot of Warhammer 40k stuff has scale issues like this. Like they'll have "enormous armies" that comprise a total of like 2 million men, or supposedly crowded imperial starships that actually have a dramatically smaller crew compliment per square meter than modern warships. I mean it isn't necessarily the writers' fault-envisioning planetary scale battles isn't exactly easy. Also, Arch may have low-balled regiment sizes., some regiments in the lore are listed well into the hundreds of thousands to even a quarter of a million or more.-especially for more infantry heavy regiments. The number of Space Marines and Titans employed gets across the scale of the conflict a lot more successfully than troop numbers.
Glad to know I wasn't the only one thinking that these numbers sounded ridiculously low. China has over 2 million soldiers alone so a full on hive planet with 500 billion souls having so few soldiers just seems almost comically disproportionate
Even such small country as Denmark have a "PDF" I know that's not really what's it's called but to compare it's easier. It consist of 46600 people that's a little less then 1% of the total population. Now a hive world would have a much larger population yet they don't even get close to 1% for some reason. If we just take 1 billion and say 1% that comes up to 10 million they should easily have a PDF of 1.2 billion people that are trained in very basic combat "this end fires this end takes ammo and this is a knife" when the problem always comes down to "we got plenty of guns but not enough to use them" you would think they would get smarter But then again, everybody needs to have a chance to touch the imperium that's why we have the high 12 to begin with. If every time someone attacks they need to match that number since they are dug in
Joratox Darkblade the problem is the PDF in hives generally have more basic an armoury than the imperial guard normally fielding autoguns rather than lasrifles. Armageddon probably does have at least 1% men at arm's but they're needed more in other parts of the galaxy so although they exist they're just not there. The training on the PDF probably isn't the greatest and moral would take a massive hit as a result meaning that when and entire platoon of pdf forces are blazing away with autoguns at a bunch of charging orks and doing absolutely nothing they are much more likely to think fuck this I'm out of here and run away which in turn will probably cause the platoons on the flanks to fall back if for no other reason than to stop being outflanked and so on and so forth until the entire front is in unorganized retreat, admittedly the same can and will and did happen with the guard but it takes more for that to happen particularly if there's a commissar in the squad.
I could only imagine how awesome this would be as a Dawn of War campaign. I mean, Sisters of Battle, dozens of Space Marine chapters, the Imperial Guard, and countless orcs? The only problem I could see is the enemy variety getting stale.
*cough* LookatroguetraderRP *cough* He is kinda a good story teller, and a decent collector of the merriest band of idiots that happen to want to play a DnD version of 40k.
Even when we were together they had to be their own Special Group of 'Knights Brothern' or whatever. Now they're Over-Zealous Crusaders but we still love them, even if they can be quite..Special at times.
Let's see, there's massive, and I mean really massive Imperial force and Ork force already on the planet. Angron's going to have a harder time getting anywhere when he showed up for a rematch.
Hi Arch, if I remember correctly the Black Dragons were all deployed to single large island refinery complex north of Armageddon secundus which was full of chemical storage facilities. They ended up wrecking the place and were fighting the orks in ankle deep pools of chemical nastiness - needless to say the lightly armoured orks didn't do so well in that scenario, so the battle was a technical success for the imperium as the orks were beaten - but the facility was unusable afterwards. Oh and I think the civilian workers had been evacuated before the fighting started - so no unfortunate witnesses.
lol 14,600 Astartes sounds like alot but during 30k a single Legion consisted of a HUNDRED THOUSAND, more than enough to kekstomp Tyranid hivefleets, Ork Waaghs, and the entire Tau race. Too bad spoiled brat Horus HAD to turn on his Father
@@manemperorofmankind8119 For a legion? Not entirely, their was no real standard as each legion was allowed to have as many or as little as their tactics and strategies allowed, with it being broken up like the following pre heresy as the heresy changes these numbers up very much so: Ultramarines - 250,000 Sons of Horus - Between 130,000 and 170,000 Iron Warriors - 150,000 to 180,000 World Eaters - 150,000 Word Bearers - 100,000 to 150,000 Blood Angels - 120,000 Night Lords - 90,000 to 120,000 Iron Hands - 113,000 Imperial Fists - 100,000 Death Guard - 95,000 Alpha Legion - Conflicting accounts ranging from 90,000 to 180,000 Salamanders - 89,000 Raven Guard - 80,000 Emperor's Children - 110 000 Thousand Sons - 10,000 Dark Angels - 20,000+ White Scars -7000 (said to be the smallest legion) Space Wolves - Somewhere between 12,000-120,000 due to it only being said to be 12 great companies, but we do not know if that means the modern great company or an older great company that is way bigger. So the standard is a lot higher than 20 000.
Me two. When i'm on my death bed looking at youtube one last time. Going yeahhhhhh Arch has finally uploaded that Black dragon video after all this time. THen burst with joy from watching it and by the grace of the emperor turn into a living saint.
nathan behr Probably between 100-200 nothing too ridiculous with some modest rejuvenate(not sure if that's the right spelling) treatments. Plus there's the whole millions of orks think he can't die so he possibly can't.
Both of Arse Blaster's answers are correct. As of 8th edition tomorrow, Yarrick will probably be this 200-300 (average human lifespan + rejuvenation treatments without admech bionics is around 500 years... I think).
Great video! however, I just thought I'd mention something in reference to the bit on black templar numbers, that according to the forgeworld horus herasy books, 10-15 thousand would be extremely low for an old legion of astartes, the salamanders, one of the smallest of the legions, numbering aproximately 89k. Of course, I realize that theres all too many sources of canon on all things 40k, so Im sure you got your estimates from a source with at least as much legitimacy, just thought id point it out.
I love the detail, but the insults towards the Gretchin/Grot that wrote out the unit counts for the orks had me rolling. Thank you Sir for another fun and informative video.
It's not actually that large scale, the German army in WW1 had more troops on the western front alone than all the Imperial guard and militia forces shown here.
+ TheDudeWhoAlwaysStealsYourFood -- I would show them Arch's video on Black Crusades. When he starts off saying "in any other fantasy or sci-fi world, this would be an _Extinction Level Event_ there really is no contest. Whenever you fight an enemy with a non-linear production schedule, it gets ugly _fast._
Hey Arch, you really improved on the force layout visibility. Last time you were talking about the Imperial defenders and throwing up force size comparisons, they faded into the backdrop and were hard to count. This way is much better. I think it has a lot to do with the white outline of the troops, though the brighter backdrop may have something to do with it. For the listing of Astartes forces, I think it would have been nice to have names and force count in text on screen. I lost track about 2/3rds of the way in. Keep up the good work!
um arch i just looked it up again but in the series Helsreach (the youtube adaption of the Audiobook) Helbrecht speaks of over 900 warriors of the Black Templars
Never seen Arch so wrong in a video, the best chapter of the cursed founding isn't the black dragons, it's obviously the Lamenters, the heroes the Imperium doesn't deserve. All hail their almost impossible to paint chapter emblem.
The Lamenters are solid Battle Brothers. While openly I can not associate with them, I do praise them for their unending defense of the Imperium. Had I even more connections I would send them some personal relics to replace what the Minotaurs took.
Lhomp I disagree... *Howling and snarling* Vlka Fenryka. *Hides the Blood Angels models* Space Wolves best Astartes. Okay, lemme explain. I like the Wolves of Fenris *_waaaaaaaaaaaay_* more, but I find myself more in line with Blood Angels tactics. Plus I suck at painting and have the shakiest hand since PTSD-ridden veterans came home from WWI, and solid red isn't all that hard to do.
If what you're talking about is what I think you're talking about the checkered pattern on the Ork's armor it has to do with the purge of Ullanor during the Great Crusade. IF I remember right, Horus and his Legion did such a number on the orks there that their collective psyche as a species was altered and they began to associate the checkered pattern of Horus' Shock troops with the kind of shock troops almost every ork aspires to be. Just like the associate red with going faster and paint things accordingly. Now that could be complete bollocks and I'm just talking out of thin air but I think that's what I remember reading somewhere.
Loving this video series. I can't wait till you have to try and make a video for the original war for armegedon and have to try and track down every single system, starfort, and asteroid field the space wolves visiyed at the end of the war. I would also love for the format you use for these videos to be used for the space marines battles novels but i think i'd have to wait around for the 40th millenium for that to come around.
The Black Templars brought 900 Astartes to Armageddon across three crusades. The primary Crusade was commanded in orbit by High Marshal Helbrecht woth around 700 Astartes. Marshal Amalricht had around 100 Astartes near hive Volcanus, and the Helsreach Crusade under Reclusiarch Grimaldus numbered around 100 Astartes. This all comes from the book “Helsreach” where Helbrecht, Grimaldus, and Emperor’s Champion Bayard greet General Kurov upon first making planetfall.
I may be late but, after re-reading the Helsreach Novel, in the first chapter Helbrecht states that he has arrived with over 900 Warriors to defend Helsreach, which gives a pretty precise number for the number of Templars present during the War for Armageddon.
wait ,wait ,wait , how can you sabotage an ork vehicle if the only reason they work and not just fall apart instantly is the ork hocus pocus magic thingy
The power of bulshit has his limits, each ork has a small impact on the immaterium that when combined with make with any other orks makes thing tha should not work work because they believe in it. The more orks and the bigger and angrier the orks the more bulshit they can get away with. For example, a few thousand orks would maybe have enough influence on the warp to make a truck that should not quite work but given a few modification could work work. A few millions orks can have enough influence in the immaterium to make a gargant which is an insult to the most basic of logic and that the law of gravity state clearly that it should collapse on itself work. The problems is that these objects are still part of the material universe so their is a limit to the bullshit they can put up with. That does not mean that they can't use the magical power of bullshit from time to time. There is the tale of a looted (I think it was a leman russ or a baneblade I don't remember)tank whose engine was blown away more than 10 times by the imperial guards and was always repaired and put back in service. The tank was finally captured by the IG and they tried to examine how the tank was still going on. So they looked in the compartment where the engine should have been to find it empty with only a drawing of an engine and the words vrooom vrooom on it. The problems is that 1, their latent psychic powers are only strong enough to make shits that already exist work (If a truck has lost its wheels the ork can't make the wheels turn) and 2 thing only work because the orks believe it work. If an ork believe his truck is broken then it will be broken (and the orks unlike the eldars for example are not aware of their influence on the warp for the most part and so dont consciously influence it they believe their trucks work because they are orky and everything orky is awesome) . This is in fact a problem for the orks, if enough orks die during a battle or the orks lose morale somehow, well things stop working.
The thing to remember about the Waagh power of the orks is that its 100% passive and relies on what orks think "how da tings should be", that's why ork weapons resemble actual functional weapons if very crudely and ork vehicles still resemble actual vehicles if rather remotely. Therefore if you can damage something to point that orks start thinking it shouldn't work, their powers won't make it work. Oh and the orks are totally unaware of this themselves and wouldn't belive you if you tried explaining it to them.
If I remember correctly, there were according to the Helsreach Novel 900 Black Templars involved in the Battle of Armageddon, one hundred of the got deployed to Helsreach under the Command of Grimaldus, while the Chapter Master Helbrecht took charge of the Space Battle. So the estimate of 750 would be a bit low. According to the Novel they haad the largest number of Astates Space Ships in Orbit, which was the Reason for helbrecht taking Command of the entire Fleet
When you (Arch) started describing the possible weapons the Ad Hoc squads could be using, I started thinking about 19th century Russian Partisan regiments that would have anything from branches to pitchforks to pikes to an occasional musket, if they were lucky to be a hunter/poacher before being drafted into a partisan regiment
Because orks had Ghazghkull Mag Uruk Thraka, most cunning ork ever, almost as cunning as potted plant. I am even more impressed that orks survived so many Astartes combined with 200 regiments of various shit. Also fucking 7 titan legions . 7! So it's possible that they had mayby quite many biggest titans ;-;.
Your comments are exactly why the Imperium keeps getting its ass handed to it by Orks, even with Astartes help. Never ever underestimate the greenskin menace. As for how the Orks survived it? My guess is sheer weight of numbers (the Orks get called 'the Green Tide' a lot in the fluff for a very good reason), and lots of Gargant-class walkers (ranging from Stompas to 'BY THE THRONE WHAT IS THAT?!' size) both the ones brought to the planet and built *on* the planet during the war.
Since I am sort of new to 40k, AMF don't know much about orks at all, I know orks grow from spores and I have seen people say like mushrooms. Would anti fungal be a valid attack? Realitivly harmless to humans, but wouldn't they be pretty bad for orks? At least cut back on the replenishment.
Seeing the size of the other forces numbered (Companies, regiments) I would estimate 1 "mob" to be 1 3rd-6th edition detachment: 15 squads in trukks or bikes + 3 dreds, stompas, or battlewagons. Plus support grots and oddboyz, with crew needed for support/transport vessels
What is this "First War" that you speak of? BTW, an Initiate of the Black Templars' chief duty is to provide additional ammunition to his assigned Battle Brother during battle, because "ran out of ammo" is not an acceptable excuse for leaving a purge half-finished. People might start confusing them for UltraSmurfs or fucking Eldar, of all things.
Arch in the book Helsreach, I believe Helbretch (Black Templars High Marshall) pledges around 990 BT's. I'll see if I can find an exact page number for you.
I know its been like a year since this video was uploaded, but in the novel Helsreach Grimaldus's Helsreach Crusade is numbered as starting out with 100 battle brothers in it. Interestingly enough there is absolutely no mention of any Neophytes in the novel whatsoever, so its a possibility that, for whatever reason, there were no Neophytes in the Helsreach Crusade, or at least there were very few.
Actually in the book helsreach The Black Templars High Marshal Helbrecht outright states how many Templars he brought with him when he rolled up to talk to Kurov. “We are the Emperor’s Knights, we have come here to offer you our blades and the lives of over 900 warriors in the service of your world.” In fact the book goes on to describe how the number made the General almost shit himself in shock thinking “entire star systems were conquered with a fraction of that number”
About the difference with the Black Templar and the Salamander. As a first founding chapter, wouldn't the Salamander command a higher amount of respect and authority?
Depends who you ask, the black templars really don't give much of a fuck about any chapter thats not a son of dorn. Especially since the salamanders will gimp the fighting to help civilians and the templars view civilians as distractions at best and bait at worst (or weapons if absolutely nothing else is there and they're desperate)
as soon as i heard "black templars" ALL i could hear was
PUUUURGIN WIIITH MY KIIIIIIN!!!
Deus Vermiculus they were crackin a cold with the ORK boyz.....
Ill show myself out.....
Freeblade Invictus “*PURGING INTENSIFIES* HERETIC”
PURGING WITH MY KIN
THESE ORKS THEY NEVER LEARN
WE ARE HOW THEY FALL
DESTROYING ALL THE XENOS!!!
(Points to anyone who can get this reference, hint: it's a well known song)
@Deus Vermiculus Ironic that just the other day a song called purging with my kin was uploaded and as for the play on band name, linkin loyalist
@@gammaspector yeah saw it to lol
Rewatching the series, and all I can think of when Arch says “sabotaging the Ork vehicles” is the enslaved workers splashing them with non-red paint so they don’t go fast anymore.
They write “slow” on the truck’s engine.
Hey, it might work given how orks function! X)
“Wick one of your gitz painted the truck pink?!”
@@NathanCassidy721 WUT? *_Wotz does dat even do!?_*
@@omegawilliam95s36 that would only work if the orks are told/know that ‘slow’ is written on the engine. It works through belief and collective psychic power
Am I the only one who finds these numbers to be ridiculously low for a planet spanning war? I mean, it should be impossible to defend an entire world with only 8 milion men. Germany raised 11 million men during ww2 with a population of less than 100 million. And we have to believe that a planet of 500 billion, entirely focused on industry, is incapable raising a bigger army?
I guess there are regulations on how many troops are suppossed to be on a planet at a time. Plus i'm pretty sure a lot of Armageddon Regiments were off world helping out in other wars. Also these numbers only show the start of the war. As far as I know the War for Armageddon is still going on to this day. Cause the Orks dug themself some nice holes to continue bothering the planet whenever they feel like it.
If Germany has 16,500 Adeptus Astartes WWII would have been very different
@@nerdsofnashville5293 if they had 100 astartes it would be very difrent
This subject is one of my few problems with warhammer 40k official stuff, mostly because I have a calculated that the population of the Imperium of man is somewhere between several hundred Quadrillion and tens of Quintillions in number. It is a wartime society meaning a large population would be military. so Quadrillions of guardsmen would be active. if even a single percent of the smaller number is true. it also makes me question the amount of space marines as well, for a super gigantic sci-fi universe the world ending battles are ungodly small in comparison
Kamiel Heeres been writing a book for fun and in the initial landing on a planet 490,000 troops died in the first 6 hours.
16,450 Astartes on a single planet? Jesus, the Waaaaagh would have to be so big they could just drown the planet in ork bodies.
alotosius
Uh... yeah, sounds about right.
It ain't quite beast level horde, but it's damn near close.
@@andrewmayo9400 Frankly, its amazingly fortunate the Waagh kicked off so "early" in the history of the Imperium, imagine if it had kicked off at the same time as the Damocles crusade!
I am amazed that there were that many Astertes just sitting around waiting for a possible assault.
@@Elenrai It would have spelled doom for the Imperium.
And then they say that we don't need to finish the great crusade when there are still enough orks to fill up a waaaaagggggghhhh.
I think y'all are spelling Neophyte wrong. Here let me demonstrate the correct way.
M-E-A-T-S-H-I-E-L-D!
There see?
"Neophyte"
Lol
Fodder works too, lol
Why is the inquisition here? Is it because there was a Chao- (transmission interrupted)
Daddy Arch feeds his hungry children.
315 TITANS!! I don't care how cunning an Ork is, he's going to have his ass blasted into the embrace of Gork and Mork with that much fire power pointed at him!
He has just as many if not more Gargants to fight the Titans with.
don't forget dedicated anti titan imperial armor.
Good thing Ghazghull left the planet.
Robert Nelson fuck off man
[Two Guardsman Defending alone 1 certain point, one Guardsman Yell to the enemy]
Guardsman #1: *Kill 1 Guardsman, a 100 more come-*
Guardsman #2: [Whisper to #1] *Psst, psst... it's actually 2 militia for 1 Guardsman.*
Guardsman #1: *Okay then, KILL 1 GUARDSMAN, 2 MILITIA WILL COME-*
Guardsman #2: [Whisper again to #1] *Psst, psst... they are already Dead...*
Guardsman #1: *By Emperor... KILL 1 GUARDSMAN... ahh THIS GUARDSMAN BESIDE ME WILL REPLACE-*
Ork Kommandos: [Whisper to #1] *PSST Humie... Ur Frindz Ets Dedz...*
Guardsman #1: *FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCKK!!!*
Ork Kommandos: *WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGHHHHHH!!!*
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The weird thing for me is how small these numbers seem for a planet sized war. There are 27 million soldiers on this planet right now, but only 8 million soldiers on Armageddon, despite it's importance and population in the billions?
FourTees I feel like the numbers are more along the lines of the losses for both sides
Something I've always thought about GW's numbers is that the military numbers should be at least 10 times larger for what they claim happens.
While the ship crew sizes have the opposite problem, with some of them needing 10k crew members. wtf
But isnt the thing that the planet has hundreds of millions of soldiers. But almost all of them are fighting wars elsewhere?
Why would you empty a planet of your best soldiers who have trained and lived their all their lives, know the environment and how to fight in it when you know it is a key strategic planet and under treath of a massive ork invasion. And then ask for troops from as far as Cadia (which is on the other side of the galaxy) to defend it. And we talk about the soviets you conscripted 10% of their population during ww2 but if we take the population of Armagedon which is estimated to be around 500 Billions, and trained and armed 1% of the population they could field a force of 5 billion. More then enough to beat the orks from defensive positions
From what ive gathered. There are verry many super important places. The imperium is like a feudal, religious version of a monarchy, with several attributes from nazi germany, and soviet russia. You are basically fighting and endless loosing battle constantly. Supply lines and transportation is pretty damn random etc etc etc. And it is also a verry corrupt, verry inefficient empire with shoddy communications.
8 million doesn't seem like that much really, who ever wrote the conflict had no sense of scale.
WW2 Involved closer to 100 million people than 10 who would have been the period equivalent to the imperial guard.
But, don't forget the 1 billion meatshie...I mean conscripted civillians, that helps a little with the scale I guess.
They must have exported some of their regiments to other parts of the galaxy.
Honestly this is true for much of warhammer 40k. The numbers never make senses. If they scaled it correctly the numbers would always be incredibly huge (the imperium has a population of four quadrillion) and very difficult to picture battle of this scale. Just ignore the numbers.
@@Roggay47 Where did you get four quadrillion?
@@robertnelson9599 Its a number i've seen on reddit. Its supposed to be the population of a mid-sized hive world times the number of hive worlds. So its a very low estimate.
GOD FCKIN DAMN IT ARCH! I have important exam next weekend. What next? Horus Heresy? Primarchs lore?
Sly marbo
Kaszalot402 me wants some primarch lore.
Kaszalot402 all of the above and more!
Kaszalot402 I know how you feel
Arse Blaster personally I would like to see Arch do a series of extremely in depth lore on each of the Primarchs (most likely excluding the two unknown primarchs) similar to how he did the video on Conrad Curze aka The Night Haunter.
1.I figured a Black Templars Crusade is approximately 600 Astartes, the total forces on Armageddon being 1800 Marines.
2. The loophole for going over 1,000 Astartes is for when the Chapter is on Crusade, and since the Black Templars are always on Crusade, they are technically Codex-compliant...
the thing black Templars still have to obey the tithe edict of gene seed and they seem to avoid doing so. so yeah they are breaking the codex. crusade you still got to obey the rules.
Yes and I would actually think it is half because in the movie helsreach said that they had over 900 because they had most of their forces in space to board the orks
I really appreciate the time and effort Arch puts into these videos.
that's...actually not very many regular Imperial Guard troops all told. The Red Army at its height in WWII had something like 11 million troops.
ninjadolphin01 As Arch has stated, most of the Imperial Guard was 'busy'
A lot of Warhammer 40k stuff has scale issues like this. Like they'll have "enormous armies" that comprise a total of like 2 million men, or supposedly crowded imperial starships that actually have a dramatically smaller crew compliment per square meter than modern warships. I mean it isn't necessarily the writers' fault-envisioning planetary scale battles isn't exactly easy. Also, Arch may have low-balled regiment sizes., some regiments in the lore are listed well into the hundreds of thousands to even a quarter of a million or more.-especially for more infantry heavy regiments. The number of Space Marines and Titans employed gets across the scale of the conflict a lot more successfully than troop numbers.
Glad to know I wasn't the only one thinking that these numbers sounded ridiculously low. China has over 2 million soldiers alone so a full on hive planet with 500 billion souls having so few soldiers just seems almost comically disproportionate
Even such small country as Denmark have a "PDF" I know that's not really what's it's called but to compare it's easier. It consist of 46600 people that's a little less then 1% of the total population. Now a hive world would have a much larger population yet they don't even get close to 1% for some reason. If we just take 1 billion and say 1% that comes up to 10 million they should easily have a PDF of 1.2 billion people that are trained in very basic combat "this end fires this end takes ammo and this is a knife" when the problem always comes down to "we got plenty of guns but not enough to use them" you would think they would get smarter
But then again, everybody needs to have a chance to touch the imperium that's why we have the high 12 to begin with. If every time someone attacks they need to match that number since they are dug in
Joratox Darkblade the problem is the PDF in hives generally have more basic an armoury than the imperial guard normally fielding autoguns rather than lasrifles. Armageddon probably does have at least 1% men at arm's but they're needed more in other parts of the galaxy so although they exist they're just not there. The training on the PDF probably isn't the greatest and moral would take a massive hit as a result meaning that when and entire platoon of pdf forces are blazing away with autoguns at a bunch of charging orks and doing absolutely nothing they are much more likely to think fuck this I'm out of here and run away which in turn will probably cause the platoons on the flanks to fall back if for no other reason than to stop being outflanked and so on and so forth until the entire front is in unorganized retreat, admittedly the same can and will and did happen with the guard but it takes more for that to happen particularly if there's a commissar in the squad.
I could only imagine how awesome this would be as a Dawn of War campaign. I mean, Sisters of Battle, dozens of Space Marine chapters, the Imperial Guard, and countless orcs? The only problem I could see is the enemy variety getting stale.
Thank yoy YT for notifying me now, 6 years later, that Arch uploaded this video.
Arch is best story teller!
Story teller? No.
Best summarizer of shit-tons of lore? YA ZOGGIN' ROIGHT 'E IZ!
*cough* LookatroguetraderRP *cough*
He is kinda a good story teller,
and a decent collector of the merriest band of idiots that happen to want to play a DnD version of 40k.
Lots of flavors of Guardsmen regiments here in Armeggeddon.
Hardly a better voice to fall asleep to. Thanks Arch!
son/daughter"mommy mommy, why does space marines have claws?"
Mom be like"Dont ask questions"
*BLAM*
So black Templars are petty much like knights of old. With minions to fetch their shit and train them sometimes.
Even when we were together they had to be their own Special Group of 'Knights Brothern' or whatever. Now they're Over-Zealous Crusaders but we still love them, even if they can be quite..Special at times.
The Black Templars are absolute lunatics... But we still love them.
Neophyte!! Fetch my slippers!!!
@@LordDeathwing17 Neophyte! Fetch my tea!
Lets see how Angron fares again
Turmunhk Ganba
HERETIC!
Let's see, there's massive, and I mean really massive Imperial force and Ork force already on the planet. Angron's going to have a harder time getting anywhere when he showed up for a rematch.
Turmunhk Ganba shhhhh we aren’t allowed to talk about that
Hi Arch, if I remember correctly the Black Dragons were all deployed to single large island refinery complex north of Armageddon secundus which was full of chemical storage facilities. They ended up wrecking the place and were fighting the orks in ankle deep pools of chemical nastiness - needless to say the lightly armoured orks didn't do so well in that scenario, so the battle was a technical success for the imperium as the orks were beaten - but the facility was unusable afterwards. Oh and I think the civilian workers had been evacuated before the fighting started - so no unfortunate witnesses.
Da bigga da boy, da 'arda day stomp da 'umies.
DA BIGGA THEIR ARE, DA HARDER THEY FALL. Victorus aut Mortis!
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!!
PVEntertainment
Thr bigger the ork, the greater the glory of the kill.
For Russ and the Allfather!
I'll save you a lot of time arch.
"Aheem"
There were orks on Armageddon.
A lot of them.
See? It's easy
lol 14,600 Astartes sounds like alot but during 30k a single Legion consisted of a HUNDRED THOUSAND, more than enough to kekstomp Tyranid hivefleets, Ork Waaghs, and the entire Tau race. Too bad spoiled brat Horus HAD to turn on his Father
Not all of them Ultramarines had like 200k but some other had only 50k. That is 1/5 or 1/10 of a legion during 30k. Which is alot.
Pretty sure the standard was 20k though
@@manemperorofmankind8119 For a legion? Not entirely, their was no real standard as each legion was allowed to have as many or as little as their tactics and strategies allowed, with it being broken up like the following pre heresy as the heresy changes these numbers up very much so:
Ultramarines - 250,000
Sons of Horus - Between 130,000 and 170,000
Iron Warriors - 150,000 to 180,000
World Eaters - 150,000
Word Bearers - 100,000 to 150,000
Blood Angels - 120,000
Night Lords - 90,000 to 120,000
Iron Hands - 113,000
Imperial Fists - 100,000
Death Guard - 95,000
Alpha Legion - Conflicting accounts ranging from 90,000 to 180,000
Salamanders - 89,000
Raven Guard - 80,000
Emperor's Children - 110 000
Thousand Sons - 10,000
Dark Angels - 20,000+
White Scars -7000 (said to be the smallest legion)
Space Wolves - Somewhere between 12,000-120,000 due to it only being said to be 12 great companies, but we do not know if that means the modern great company or an older great company that is way bigger.
So the standard is a lot higher than 20 000.
looking forward to that Black Dragon video
Me two. When i'm on my death bed looking at youtube one last time. Going yeahhhhhh Arch has finally uploaded that Black dragon video after all this time. THen burst with joy from watching it and by the grace of the emperor turn into a living saint.
how old is commissar yaric because he was going into retirement right before the first invasion and the second was 20 years later
nathan behr Probably between 100-200 nothing too ridiculous with some modest rejuvenate(not sure if that's the right spelling) treatments. Plus there's the whole millions of orks think he can't die so he possibly can't.
Arse Blaster I think it was also hinted that may be tzeech was also manipulating him.
Underworlddream Not read his books so don't know about poofy gods fucking with him.
Both of Arse Blaster's answers are correct. As of 8th edition tomorrow, Yarrick will probably be this 200-300 (average human lifespan + rejuvenation treatments without admech bionics is around 500 years... I think).
my guess he has modifications to his body, in addition he is partialy powered by the waaargghhh as the orcs see him as a god/demon of war
Black Dragons are my boyz. When I get back, I'm gonna make em real Dragons to complete the asthetic.
Vulkan Of Nocturne have fun with that lord Vulkan
Great video! however, I just thought I'd mention something in reference to the bit on black templar numbers, that according to the forgeworld horus herasy books, 10-15 thousand would be extremely low for an old legion of astartes, the salamanders, one of the smallest of the legions, numbering aproximately 89k. Of course, I realize that theres all too many sources of canon on all things 40k, so Im sure you got your estimates from a source with at least as much legitimacy, just thought id point it out.
I love the detail, but the insults towards the Gretchin/Grot that wrote out the unit counts for the orks had me rolling. Thank you Sir for another fun and informative video.
Dude keep it coming. This is now my favorite weekly programming!
I'm not sure why I enjoy this video soo much! The details paint the picture I guess.
Thanks for the content.
This was spectacular. Adore this level of detail. Really enjoying this series
This series is brilliant Arch. Thanks for the gusto you are putting into it.
Arch, I love your WH40K lore videos. You make my day. Never ever give this up.
am I the only one curious what will happen in say 5-20 years when the time comes for Arch to do all the vids he promised in a then grey past.
He's currently doing the siege of vraks series if that helps,
I think you mean The Siege of Vrrrrrrrraks
The Siege of Vraks vids were recently finished if you want to binge watch them :D
The Outro music is Kevin MacLeod ~ Heroic Age, after ages of looking
If someone asks me how large the scale of 40k is, I'm just gonna show them this video
Well I mean even with more than 10,000 point games you can't really play war hammer on this scale unless you have several days to play your matches.
"Honey, i have today a battle in Warhammer with frends. I come back year or two later, see ya."
It's not actually that large scale, the German army in WW1 had more troops on the western front alone than all the Imperial guard and militia forces shown here.
Declan Ellery now think of evry frontlines/warzones the Imprium have right know oh and civilwars on a planetary scale
+ TheDudeWhoAlwaysStealsYourFood -- I would show them Arch's video on Black Crusades. When he starts off saying "in any other fantasy or sci-fi world, this would be an _Extinction Level Event_ there really is no contest.
Whenever you fight an enemy with a non-linear production schedule, it gets ugly _fast._
Arch these videos and the ones about the war for badab are masterpieces
Scale of war in warhammer 40k seems very often odd. These numbers look way too small for such colosal conflict.
I love those series of video about one conflict! I can imagine Arch also doing the battle of macragge, Cadia, and damnos xD
arch. you promised a lore vid. longere than the last. I Feel Blue Balled here
Hey Arch, you really improved on the force layout visibility. Last time you were talking about the Imperial defenders and throwing up force size comparisons, they faded into the backdrop and were hard to count. This way is much better. I think it has a lot to do with the white outline of the troops, though the brighter backdrop may have something to do with it.
For the listing of Astartes forces, I think it would have been nice to have names and force count in text on screen. I lost track about 2/3rds of the way in.
Keep up the good work!
um arch i just looked it up again but in the series Helsreach (the youtube adaption of the Audiobook) Helbrecht speaks of over 900 warriors of the Black Templars
for ork and mork
Jack Gleeson Wagggggg
I forgot, is Mork kunnin' but brutal, or is 'e brutal but kunnin'?
you git
Dat's Gork n Mork... or Mork n Gork...
undertakernumberone1
All dis feology is makin' me brainz hert...
Never seen Arch so wrong in a video, the best chapter of the cursed founding isn't the black dragons, it's obviously the Lamenters, the heroes the Imperium doesn't deserve. All hail their almost impossible to paint chapter emblem.
googled that emblem, it does look like a pain to paint
The Lamenters are solid Battle Brothers. While openly I can not associate with them, I do praise them for their unending defense of the Imperium. Had I even more connections I would send them some personal relics to replace what the Minotaurs took.
Lhomp
I disagree...
*Howling and snarling*
Vlka Fenryka.
*Hides the Blood Angels models*
Space Wolves best Astartes.
Okay, lemme explain. I like the Wolves of Fenris *_waaaaaaaaaaaay_* more, but I find myself more in line with Blood Angels tactics.
Plus I suck at painting and have the shakiest hand since PTSD-ridden veterans came home from WWI, and solid red isn't all that hard to do.
They are so cursed they are even miss remembered
@@mattaffenit9898 furry
Absolutely love your desciption of ork radio jamming methods.
Where is the imperial cat girl legion? This is also good for morale!!!
There still on a pleasure world improve moral
To sum up the Ork numbers on a single Orkish word: *_LOTZ._*
OMG Arch!! Love this series. Keep doing them!
A interaction helps the 6th Chaos God the Almighty Algorithm
Holy damn corpse, that is one hell of a video. Thank you for doing this.
Truly enjoy & appreciate your work. Thanks
Into the fire of Armageddon, unto the avil of Waaaaaagh!
Can someone explain why the Orkz use that checkered pattern, is there lore about it or is it just a joke about them being sports hollagans?
likely hold over from their joke origin
If what you're talking about is what I think you're talking about the checkered pattern on the Ork's armor it has to do with the purge of Ullanor during the Great Crusade. IF I remember right, Horus and his Legion did such a number on the orks there that their collective psyche as a species was altered and they began to associate the checkered pattern of Horus' Shock troops with the kind of shock troops almost every ork aspires to be. Just like the associate red with going faster and paint things accordingly. Now that could be complete bollocks and I'm just talking out of thin air but I think that's what I remember reading somewhere.
Look into Freemasonry that is where the pattern originates.
That is A LOT of astartes! Makes one appreciate just how big the ork invasion was and how serious it was taken.
Loving this video series. I can't wait till you have to try and make a video for the original war for armegedon and have to try and track down every single system, starfort, and asteroid field the space wolves visiyed at the end of the war. I would also love for the format you use for these videos to be used for the space marines battles novels but i think i'd have to wait around for the 40th millenium for that to come around.
sry to trigger you arch but how many grots where there ? and the snotlings they are so cute how could you leave them out ? ;P
Arch saw this comment, and then went out and shot his neighbour in anger.
Planken and then himself
Calling a snotling cute is heresy. Yes, Mr. Black Templar, this heretic right here.
Arch thanks for this wonderful series "War For Armageddon"
The Black Templars brought 900 Astartes to Armageddon across three crusades. The primary Crusade was commanded in orbit by High Marshal Helbrecht woth around 700 Astartes. Marshal Amalricht had around 100 Astartes near hive Volcanus, and the Helsreach Crusade under Reclusiarch Grimaldus numbered around 100 Astartes. This all comes from the book “Helsreach” where Helbrecht, Grimaldus, and Emperor’s Champion Bayard greet General Kurov upon first making planetfall.
I may be late but, after re-reading the Helsreach Novel, in the first chapter Helbrecht
states that he has arrived with over 900 Warriors to defend Helsreach, which gives a pretty precise number for the number of Templars present during the War for Armageddon.
34:55 Looks as if they had 106 Daleks
wait ,wait ,wait , how can you sabotage an ork vehicle if the only reason they work and not just fall apart instantly is the ork hocus pocus magic thingy
Noob kobra krack missile into it's backside counts right? ;)
Noob kobra You'd be surprised what a land mine or a grenade cluster can do to an Ork vehicle in the engine room.
The power of bulshit has his limits, each ork has a small impact on the immaterium that when combined with make with any other orks makes thing tha should not work work because they believe in it. The more orks and the bigger and angrier the orks the more bulshit they can get away with. For example, a few thousand orks would maybe have enough influence on the warp to make a truck that should not quite work but given a few modification could work work. A few millions orks can have enough influence in the immaterium to make a gargant which is an insult to the most basic of logic and that the law of gravity state clearly that it should collapse on itself work. The problems is that these objects are still part of the material universe so their is a limit to the bullshit they can put up with. That does not mean that they can't use the magical power of bullshit from time to time. There is the tale of a looted (I think it was a leman russ or a baneblade I don't remember)tank whose engine was blown away more than 10 times by the imperial guards and was always repaired and put back in service. The tank was finally captured by the IG and they tried to examine how the tank was still going on. So they looked in the compartment where the engine should have been to find it empty with only a drawing of an engine and the words vrooom vrooom on it. The problems is that 1, their latent psychic powers are only strong enough to make shits that already exist work (If a truck has lost its wheels the ork can't make the wheels turn) and 2 thing only work because the orks believe it work. If an ork believe his truck is broken then it will be broken (and the orks unlike the eldars for example are not aware of their influence on the warp for the most part and so dont consciously influence it they believe their trucks work because they are orky and everything orky is awesome) . This is in fact a problem for the orks, if enough orks die during a battle or the orks lose morale somehow, well things stop working.
You walk up to the ork with a power point presentation that explains why their vehicles don't work. obviously.
The thing to remember about the Waagh power of the orks is that its 100% passive and relies on what orks think "how da tings should be", that's why ork weapons resemble actual functional weapons if very crudely and ork vehicles still resemble actual vehicles if rather remotely. Therefore if you can damage something to point that orks start thinking it shouldn't work, their powers won't make it work. Oh and the orks are totally unaware of this themselves and wouldn't belive you if you tried explaining it to them.
If I remember correctly, there were according to the Helsreach Novel 900 Black Templars involved in the Battle of Armageddon, one hundred of the got deployed to Helsreach under the Command of Grimaldus, while the Chapter Master Helbrecht took charge of the Space Battle. So the estimate of 750 would be a bit low.
According to the Novel they haad the largest number of Astates Space Ships in Orbit, which was the Reason for helbrecht taking Command of the entire Fleet
Great Video Arch
Arch, will you ever do a video on the skitarii or on the adeptus mechanicus ?
YEEEEEESSSSSS PLEEEEEEAAAAASE *_*
YEEEEEESSSSSS PLEEEEEEAAAAASE *_*
YEEEEEESSSSSS PLEEEEEEAAAAASE *_*
When you (Arch) started describing the possible weapons the Ad Hoc squads could be using, I started thinking about 19th century Russian Partisan regiments that would have anything from branches to pitchforks to pikes to an occasional musket, if they were lucky to be a hunter/poacher before being drafted into a partisan regiment
Potentially 16,450 Astartes
How the fuck did the orks survive this?
Because orks had Ghazghkull Mag Uruk Thraka, most cunning ork ever, almost as cunning as potted plant.
I am even more impressed that orks survived so many Astartes combined with 200 regiments of various shit.
Also fucking 7 titan legions . 7! So it's possible that they had mayby quite many biggest titans ;-;.
As Arch said they din't not work as one, each chapter did their own thing.
Your comments are exactly why the Imperium keeps getting its ass handed to it by Orks, even with Astartes help.
Never ever underestimate the greenskin menace.
As for how the Orks survived it? My guess is sheer weight of numbers (the Orks get called 'the Green Tide' a lot in the fluff for a very good reason), and lots of Gargant-class walkers (ranging from Stompas to 'BY THE THRONE WHAT IS THAT?!' size) both the ones brought to the planet and built *on* the planet during the war.
Uh jeah Arch din't menchone that the gargans where brougt by orks or just sightet in the battle field.
Sorry my bad english
Internet Zen Master there was 1 SINGLE CONSCRIPT. HOW DID THE ORKS SURVIVE?!
Since I am sort of new to 40k, AMF don't know much about orks at all, I know orks grow from spores and I have seen people say like mushrooms. Would anti fungal be a valid attack? Realitivly harmless to humans, but wouldn't they be pretty bad for orks? At least cut back on the replenishment.
Seeing the size of the other forces numbered (Companies, regiments) I would estimate 1 "mob" to be 1 3rd-6th edition detachment: 15 squads in trukks or bikes + 3 dreds, stompas, or battlewagons. Plus support grots and oddboyz, with crew needed for support/transport vessels
It’s been 6 year Arch where is our Black Dragons video?
20:00 Helbrect said he brought 900 Black Templars, but he probably kept a few hundred in orbit for the void war.
I'm listening to his while putting together my Dark Imperium box set. Pretty awesome .
The Semtexian Bombadiers? xD What next? The Plastic Explosiveian Grenadiers? lol
I would like to see Arch take over a major news anchor position. Likely be short-lived but epic in the telling.
Great video . Love all the details.
Love your work man. keep it up
Legio Metallica steps onto the battlefield...
*Enter Sandman begins blaring from immense titan-size speakers....
12:54 "They're the best at what they do"
I see a small smile on Hugh Jackman
Wolverine has gotta be their Spiritual Liege or something XD
What is this "First War" that you speak of? BTW, an Initiate of the Black Templars' chief duty is to provide additional ammunition to his assigned Battle Brother during battle, because "ran out of ammo" is not an acceptable excuse for leaving a purge half-finished. People might start confusing them for UltraSmurfs or fucking Eldar, of all things.
Haha! We didn't have to wait 6-7 years for the black dragons video! Take that arch!!
Your listing of the black dragons and inquisition was so damm funny.
I recently reread Hellsreach. Grimaldus actually gives us a number for his crusade. It's a hundred guys, initiates not included i think
The numbers Arch what do they mean
Arch in the book Helsreach, I believe Helbretch (Black Templars High Marshall) pledges around 990 BT's. I'll see if I can find an exact page number for you.
I know its been like a year since this video was uploaded, but in the novel Helsreach Grimaldus's Helsreach Crusade is numbered as starting out with 100 battle brothers in it. Interestingly enough there is absolutely no mention of any Neophytes in the novel whatsoever, so its a possibility that, for whatever reason, there were no Neophytes in the Helsreach Crusade, or at least there were very few.
Just add a zero everytime 40k gives a number and the world scales better.
45:53 I find this funny as I came here after listening to that playlist LOL.
the number you have for the codex abiding chapters are close to the iron warrior's strength during the great crusade
Hey Arch, have you taken the ork replenishment/respawn rates into your estimate of their force size?
Just to drive you completly nuts.
Actually in the book helsreach The Black Templars High Marshal Helbrecht outright states how many Templars he brought with him when he rolled up to talk to Kurov.
“We are the Emperor’s Knights, we have come here to offer you our blades and the lives of over 900 warriors in the service of your world.”
In fact the book goes on to describe how the number made the General almost shit himself in shock thinking “entire star systems were conquered with a fraction of that number”
More 40k lore. It's the strong point of your channel.
How do you sabotage vehicles that only work due to wharggggg energy anyway?
isnt it always a RUFF estimate when talking about space wolves?!
About the difference with the Black Templar and the Salamander. As a first founding chapter, wouldn't the Salamander command a higher amount of respect and authority?
Depends who you ask, the black templars really don't give much of a fuck about any chapter thats not a son of dorn. Especially since the salamanders will gimp the fighting to help civilians and the templars view civilians as distractions at best and bait at worst (or weapons if absolutely nothing else is there and they're desperate)
A new lore video. Praise the Emperah
The answer to how big a black templar crusade is exactly as big or small the plot demands the crusade to be.