Intel : for the expensive cpu you need the expensive motherboard for can run this cpu Amd : for expensive cpu , you dont need the expensive motherboard
A 2700x is still not recommended on a b450 board, especially if you plan on overclocking. And don't even think about using one without a heatsink on the vrm.
@@fortunefed8719 Yep. I got the Crosshair VII, which is definitely not required (bought it for the price of a Asus Strix X470). But something around Gigabyte X470 AORUS ULTRA GAMING should be a minimum. Heard MSI boards are quite good, with exception of the lacking negative offset for some models.
LOL this is so not true... A 2700x should run on an x470 board, like the new i9 should run on an z390 board. Both are not required but both will not perform as well on the other options.
Did you try slapping a fan over the VRMs, since you're using an open bench and you have no airflow at all? If you get the same results with airflow over the VRMs, then you have a power limit, not a temperature limit.
A TUF board behaving like this? Well well now. But more importantly, why is ASUS slapping TUF on their lower spec boards? Just so that they could overclock the price tag?
Yea, and why are the reviewer not blowing air across the VRM's. Systems with water coolers are notorious for overheating VRM's. I imagine the design spec was based around air flow over the VRMs. Kids these days..
Buying a high end CPU with a crappy motherboard... Oh boy, learned that the hard way years ago that picking up a shiny black edition Phenom II was absolutely useless when paired with a cheap OEM AM2+ motherboard from ebay.
While I agree that the B350 is not the best motherboard, it would be unlikely that you would run into these issues with something with a lower power cpu like an i5. The 9900k will push any board to the limits, and most people that buy a 9900k aren't going to be worried about getting a cheap motherboard.
what about inside of a case? the vrms would probably still be melting but would it move it away from the throttling if it had air flow moving over it vs an open test bed. or is it just the board cant handle that many watts pulled? 85 c external temps on a vrm component could be alot hotter internally which is probably what you ended up seeing. really shows the 9900k is quite the monster to be put on to consumer boards and they want to try and do 10 cores next OwO
Interesting! A few questions, sorry if you already answeared and I missed it: Did you run same ram-speed (2666 is max on B360) on B360 and Z390? Also for gaming 9700K tends to do better than 9900K i many scenarios. Was 9600K used on the B360 with 2666-ram also? To figure out if vrm etc is the real issue, make all other conditions identical, great if you already did that :) undervolting would also be interesting, that might increase performance quite a bit :)
A small but significant detail about cpus and vrm temperature is the TBP, not the TDP. The i9-9900k is indeed of 95w TDP, but it can go up to 240watts... I could be wrong, but that's like 160 amps, or 20 amps per module in 8+2 vrm designs. I don't know if using better thermal solution could help, but I'm sure it's trouble.
Thank you so much for the information bro, This totally made an eye-opener as a gamer/developer of what to upgrade for my motherboard and what is the kind of CPU specifically for my motherboard without sacrificing or destroying the crucial parts of my MSI B360M Mortar. My Samsung NVME Gen 3 is quite expensive. If I don't think and read wisely from other experiences especially showing me real-life data's then it's my PC Riggs Funeral which I know everyone doesn't want to happen to their Riggs since we are at the pandemic Covid Variant Era.
1950 is a totally normal score for the i9900K, get ur facts right, the 2200+ score comes from motherboard partners who overclock their bords at default settings.
If 85c is the heatsink temperature, the mosfet itself may be reaching 95-105c soooo yeah, that's the bulk of the issues. And the chokes are on the same plane although they have a bit of loss, they also can kind of tell you how hot the fets are getting on the surface, not on the die which is worse.
UFD Tech I agree, it's very stupid. I've also come across some boards and cases that weren't fully compatible with each other as far as standoff locations are concerned. I thought that was all supposed to be standardized.
This should be fixed with a simple update of bios in the future .. I have an i7 4790K with a motherboard Gigabyte B85M-DS3H and also had performance problems in general as in games and doing tests as in cinebench among other things. After several months with this problem, I got a bios update that in the description said: "Improve Intel K-sku CPU performance" after this update, the performance improved brutally in games and other things in general .. I think this types of motherboards have always given problems with high-end CPUs that are eventually fixed with a simple bios update. Greetings from Chile.
Something i would really like to see is how Haswell (4790k stock and oc) cpu can still do when paired with a 2080ti (for example in 4k gaming or 1080 rtx on, where cpu isn't supposed to be a real bottleneck) Keep up the good work !
i get 1930 in cinebench with a z390 from Asus :( (60 Degress C under 100% load though) thats the normal score actually. 2200 is for 5.1 all core overclock.
@@apothecy4011 Can you say VCCIO and VCCSA voltages on you system? if then more or equal 1.3v, you need reduce it. By my experience if RAM Clk less 3 Ghz SA:0.95v and IO :1.05v.
@@technotarius4444 VID is around 1250 on 100% load also. Have set svid behavior on Auto from bios (Intel's fail safe option seems the same as the auto one). Also when i enable MCE, pc freezes (not BSOD though) when i run cinebench.
good video. emperor has no clothes and all but papa Linus has totally lost touch. His 9900k rev was total joke, and then he defended it to his audience.. who are probably too dumb to know, lets face it
@@hurrdurrimaburr he had it drawing less power and making less heat than the 8700k so obvious BS , and no one reputable can reproduce his results on the same hardware and settings. Also if LTT is going to play stupid and say the TDP and VRM picks were ok..Fine, then why the fuck did they not test the I5 8400 and 8600 at stock TDP for 4 seconds in a room freezer. yeah, cause tha't dodgy as fuck and they should not have done this with 9900k.
Liam Cockcroft some people won the silicon lottery. Plus some boards, mainly Asus boards, run the 9900K closer to power spec if BIOS settings werent changed. That impacts thermals and power draw. For exemple Joker Production got a dud chip the first time, then he got sent another chip and that was awesome thermally. Je was able to OC it to 5.2Ghz no problem. I’m still in 2 minds about investing in the 9900K. Too overpriced.
@@redhaze8080 You obviously have no idea what you're talking about lol. There's plenty of 9900K OC videos on youtube that has it running at acceptable specs. Any CPU would run +80c in Cinebench at 5.2GHz. Gamers nexus has been over how shitty this gens motherboards is aswell. You're basicly fucked if you buy low end and some of the $200+ mobos have garbage VRM aswell. Some people never saw the 100c temps that many reviewers did. You're clearly biased though.
burr then why did LTT not test the 8600 at 65w?, and show me reputable testers who can get the LTT cinebench score at those temps and setting. Total BS
You could try the B360 with these: How much does a fan pointing at the VRM help? (500-800-1200-2500-extreme rpm, try finding a sensor in hwinfo, way superior to hwmonitor or use the probe) Is it possible to not trigger the VR thermal alert then? And finally: can you set tdp limits in the bios so that the cpu matches Z390 performance?
we have almost the same PC.. 9900k Enermax 360mm aio msi Godlike z390 32GB 3200mhz cs16 dominator platinum msi gaming x trio 2080ti evga 1000 G5 80+ gold psu pure sine wave, cyberpower 1500va ups I just finished building this pc about 2 weeks ago and im absolutely loving it.. coming from my old pc (asus z97 deluxe, i7 4790k, 32gb ddr3, 750 watt 80+ silver psu) this thing is an absolute monster! I'm yet to pin the gpu or cpu to 100% even with 4k gaming and even with 4k video editing. I'm loving it.
Are you formatting the drive for this test, chipset drivers will cripple the system if they are not compatible. If you had the z390 drivers installed then swapped out the motherboard and used the same z390 drivers for your b360 board, its not going to run well.
What is that CPU D3D11 and GPU overlay in witcher? How do you get that? MSI Afterburner? So does it matter what MB you buy as long as it have Z390 chipset?
So I have a GA AB350 Gaming 3 with a Ryzen 5 1600x, and a EVGA GTX 1070 ti sc. Using the game debate site it says that my cpu is bottle necking, or would it be a similar situation as here? Got the mobo and the cpu as a bundle.
This is the EXACT problem that I've been having with my 8700k since I bought it. Don't get me wrong I'm on a pretty high end z370 board from MSI, no idea which one though and I do not have the time to check, but due to radiator clearance and subsequent airflow, my VRM's aren't really being cooled by anything. They get really hot and then I power throttle hard. Even though the system doesn't know that's happening. The only solutions are to stick a fan on the VRM's which I did for a while and that helped or to get a full cover waterblock, which I did plan on doing before the 9900K came out. So now I'm going to be upgrading at the end of the month. So, problem avoided I guess.
What about gigabyte H370 HD3. Should I pair this cpu with H370. currently I'm running i5. Should I go for i7 or i9? If we Just consider thermals and performance.
Wow crazy. Wouldn't have thought cpu performance would be impacted when just running at stock speeds. Always assumed that the better the board, the better the o/c of either cpu or memory.
So, what is the highest CPU you would recommend pairing with a cheap B360. Currently I am running a I5 8400 and I was thinking of upgrading to a 9600k/I7 8700/8086K/8700K
I'm debating upgrading my i7 6700k on z170 at 4.5 with an rtx 2080ti but dont know if the extra cores will give me a much better gaming experience. I play on a 1440p and 165hz gsync monitor. I get average 120fps in BFV with the settings on high. CPU usage usually goes to 100% so I'm wondering if I'm 'bottlenecking' the 2080ti with my 6700k.
I game and stream at the same time, and lately COD has been causing some backup on my system. I was thinking about upgrading to the 9900k with a z390 (should I get a specific one or are they all fine?). Ill be using a 1080 with the system. Ive been watching my CPU load while playing and its been hitting 100 up until I pushed the clocks to its limits (4.2), GPU seems fine. Will this be a good setup, or does someone recommend something different? I do NOT want to use a duel PC setup...
Hola Maestro se podra usar un i9 9900 sin k en una motheboard GIGABYTE B365M GAMING HD ? ..... su respuesta seria de gran ayuda ... saludos y adelante .
What if you get a cheap z370 and use a 9700k? I have to use z370p d3 with my new 9700k for a while but not sure if everything is 100% kosher. Also overclocking it on this board did not feel right and had weird issues just a 5ghz
I am at terrible internet connection and the video started to buffer at 3:36. "Anything higher than that is... *little noise, then video stops*" Perfect timing :)
You're right. i've seen shit like that on used market ,people selling kits of mobo +cpu sometimes with ram as well, Shit like ryzen 1600x with b320 and 2133 mhz ram.... and they insist on selling them as a kit even tho the kit itself is complete shit.
Wow haven't looked at a video from you in a while since the LTT stuff. But I must say you have cleaned up very nicely.... Well done and keep up the great work.
'n what about a Msi b360 gaming plus coupled with a 9900 non k or a 9700k ? Cause i'm waiting the rtx 3080/3080ti and would it be paired with the best cpu i can afford within my rig
So is it fine for me if i swap i5-8400 with i7-8700(or i7-8700k),i7-9700 (or i7-9700k) on my gigabyte h370 hd3 motherbord. or i wll face the same issue on K-series i7 chips.
Thanks for the video! Can you please do an Asus z390-i vs. ASRock Phantom Gaming (z390) comparison? The ASRock z390 itx mobo has less VRMs, but they're supposedly best in class. I'm looking to see what's the best itx board for the 9900k.
The main problem here is that the UEFI doesn't throttle the speed soon enough to keep power consumption within specs. With all cores engaged it should be running at base clock most of the time. That gives the true stock performance of this CPU.
You need to measure temperature on the mosfets, not the chokes, lol. But that 100C on the choke is pretty bad. The mosfets could have been 125C and throttling.
@@evers6214 true, maybe when GPUs start requiring PCIE 4.0 I'll just jump ship to AMD, screw intel and they damn monopoly, their almost as bad as Nvidia.
Nice video. I’ve been patiently waiting for one of you to review how the z370 boards handle the 9th gen CPU’s? A lot of people upgraded when the 8th generation came out. The ability to throw a 9th gen cpu in our existing motherboards is a nice quick upgrade... should we do it? Would we get the same experience as a new z390 board? If this is something you’re interested in doing please throw the ASRock z370 Taichi into the mix. Keep up the good work!
The issue could caused by stock thermal pads included within the VRM heatsink not in close contact with the VRM itself this was a problem with the MAXIMUS X FORMULA
@Evil Eye i had big upgrade from intel q6600.. of cource looks powerful but i have not using others CPU's to know better. by the way i5 8400 running with 80 TDM, 8600k with 95..probably 8400 are more cool but i don;t know that :)
@Evil Eye my poor knowledge say : if you like testing a cpu on gaming you have running it on the lowest settings if not the gpu will run the game on ultra(if good one) so.. gaming = Gpu for sure.. cpu not have big matters :))
I recently upgraded my Ryzen 3 1200 to a Ryzen 7 1700x on my Gigabyte GA-AB350M Gaming 3 B350 motherboard. No issues so far, Cinebench scored 1525CB, right where it should be. Not going to attempt an overclock. VRMs are a 4 + 3 phase. Higher end AMD CPUs have actually been proven to work on mid range boards just fine.
Just keep in mind just a phase count doesn't equals the vrm quality, you can have high end and low end 4 phase 6 or even a trash 8 phase or amazing 8 phase.
Having reviewed your results, the discrepancy between the i9-9900k on the B360 and Z390 amounts to 3.2% in favour of the Z390, I’d hardly call this significant even if the chokes on the 360 are running at high temperatures, if we factor in the lack of overclocking on the 360, then the question of value over a 9600K is obviously more significant. However, a 9900K still yields a near 100% gain over the 9600K (on the 360) in Cinebench (multi-thread) which I would have thought translate very well into video encoding and other similarly processor intensive tasks, so there clearly remains an advantage to running it on a middle-tier motherboard….but, if you’d have thrown a 8700k or 9700k into the mix……
I just got a 9900K and even a Z370 TUF mobo couldn’t handle it; still had a trash 4-phase VRM with heatsinks on it. Substituted it with a used ASUS Prime Z390-A w/8-phase VRMs and they can handle 180W load without getting close to throttling.
if you got a good deal or dont care the 9900k or 9900kf works perfectly fine with the b360pro4/xtreme. Just get a good cooler, unlock wattage limiters and undervolt the cpu to around 1.35 because for me it was getting up to 1.43v. But it gets a 4.6ghz under load and 4.9ghz 1 core. Everything stays under 70c with a NH-D12L fan when underload, i get around 180 less points in the cinebench than the average score for a 9900kf, which isnt that bad. I dont know what board this guy has but i never throttled once with my fan, so dont worry about that.
I've lost all my confidence in Asus motherboards after having two Prime series motherboards giving this weird CPU overvolt error just 3-5 months after fresh builds even though they were running on stock settings (just RAM on XMP).. changed both to Gigabyte and been running wonderfully since even with slight overclocks.. maybe this video should be retested using an MSI or Gigabyte motherboard instead and see if there's any difference..
"This 9900k is having a real TUF time here" 4:00 who else got that?
i just clocked
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The Linus Tech tips way you mean
@@redhaze8080 wdym
Intel : for the expensive cpu you need the expensive motherboard for can run this cpu
Amd : for expensive cpu , you dont need the expensive motherboard
A 2700x is still not recommended on a b450 board, especially if you plan on overclocking. And don't even think about using one without a heatsink on the vrm.
@@fortunefed8719 same here i get lower cb scores w my gaming 5 gigabyte mb
@@fortunefed8719 Yep. I got the Crosshair VII, which is definitely not required (bought it for the price of a Asus Strix X470). But something around Gigabyte X470 AORUS ULTRA GAMING should be a minimum. Heard MSI boards are quite good, with exception of the lacking negative offset for some models.
@@Koeras16 good to know
LOL this is so not true... A 2700x should run on an x470 board, like the new i9 should run on an z390 board. Both are not required but both will not perform as well on the other options.
Did you try slapping a fan over the VRMs, since you're using an open bench and you have no airflow at all? If you get the same results with airflow over the VRMs, then you have a power limit, not a temperature limit.
A TUF board behaving like this? Well well now.
But more importantly, why is ASUS slapping TUF on their lower spec boards? Just so that they could overclock the price tag?
Yea, and why are the reviewer not blowing air across the VRM's. Systems with water coolers are notorious for overheating VRM's. I imagine the design spec was based around air flow over the VRMs. Kids these days..
Buying a high end CPU with a crappy motherboard... Oh boy, learned that the hard way years ago that picking up a shiny black edition Phenom II was absolutely useless when paired with a cheap OEM AM2+ motherboard from ebay.
While I agree that the B350 is not the best motherboard, it would be unlikely that you would run into these issues with something with a lower power cpu like an i5. The 9900k will push any board to the limits, and most people that buy a 9900k aren't going to be worried about getting a cheap motherboard.
I bet that mobo would be dead in 5 months of intense gaming not even talking about 3d rendering...
what about inside of a case? the vrms would probably still be melting but would it move it away from the throttling if it had air flow moving over it vs an open test bed. or is it just the board cant handle that many watts pulled? 85 c external temps on a vrm component could be alot hotter internally which is probably what you ended up seeing. really shows the 9900k is quite the monster to be put on to consumer boards and they want to try and do 10 cores next OwO
What's the song playing the background around 3:40
Interesting! A few questions, sorry if you already answeared and I missed it: Did you run same ram-speed (2666 is max on B360) on B360 and Z390? Also for gaming 9700K tends to do better than 9900K i many scenarios. Was 9600K used on the B360 with 2666-ram also? To figure out if vrm etc is the real issue, make all other conditions identical, great if you already did that :) undervolting would also be interesting, that might increase performance quite a bit :)
A small but significant detail about cpus and vrm temperature is the TBP, not the TDP. The i9-9900k is indeed of 95w TDP, but it can go up to 240watts... I could be wrong, but that's like 160 amps, or 20 amps per module in 8+2 vrm designs. I don't know if using better thermal solution could help, but I'm sure it's trouble.
Thank you so much for the information bro, This totally made an eye-opener as a gamer/developer of what to upgrade for my motherboard and what is the kind of CPU specifically for my motherboard without sacrificing or destroying the crucial parts of my MSI B360M Mortar. My Samsung NVME Gen 3 is quite expensive. If I don't think and read wisely from other experiences especially showing me real-life data's then it's my PC Riggs Funeral which I know everyone doesn't want to happen to their Riggs since we are at the pandemic Covid Variant Era.
1950 is a totally normal score for the i9900K, get ur facts right, the 2200+ score comes from motherboard partners who overclock their bords at default settings.
So should i keep my asus b360m or upgrade with i5 9400f cpu
I bet the issue is that chokes are not the primary heat source. The MOSFETs are probably 20K hotter than your probe. Your probe is in the wrong place.
Z370 vs Z390
2 high end versions vs 2 low end
Will be nice to see chats of all 4
So... Can I put a Ryzen 7 1700x on a b450 tomahawk or not?
JotaArt b450 tomahawk is the best b450. You’re fine.
Is a Z390 Gaming Pro Carbon good enough for a 9900K?
If 85c is the heatsink temperature, the mosfet itself may be reaching 95-105c soooo yeah, that's the bulk of the issues. And the chokes are on the same plane although they have a bit of loss, they also can kind of tell you how hot the fets are getting on the surface, not on the die which is worse.
The thinner atx boards aren’t just an asus thing, many manufacturers do it for their cheaper baords, it’s just not as common as it used to be.
It's stupid. :D
UFD Tech I agree, it's very stupid. I've also come across some boards and cases that weren't fully compatible with each other as far as standoff locations are concerned. I thought that was all supposed to be standardized.
What's with the super quiet background music? Had to pause all the time to check if it is playing from the video or outside...
It should be Cheap Motherboard + i9 9900K = Disaster.
I mean, a cheap Z390/370, H370 have cheaper VRMs and components.
This should be fixed with a simple update of bios in the future .. I have an i7 4790K with a motherboard Gigabyte B85M-DS3H and also had performance problems in general as in games and doing tests as in cinebench among other things. After several months with this problem, I got a bios update that in the description said: "Improve Intel K-sku CPU performance" after this update, the performance improved brutally in games and other things in general .. I think this types of motherboards have always given problems with high-end CPUs that are eventually fixed with a simple bios update. Greetings from Chile.
Something i would really like to see is how Haswell (4790k stock and oc) cpu can still do when paired with a 2080ti (for example in 4k gaming or 1080 rtx on, where cpu isn't supposed to be a real bottleneck)
Keep up the good work !
It will do great. Period.
i get 1930 in cinebench with a z390 from Asus :( (60 Degress C under 100% load though) thats the normal score actually. 2200 is for 5.1 all core overclock.
When you overlooking RAM, fix SA/IO rail voltages about 1v.
Asus love burning CPUs via overvoltage some power rails.
@@technotarius4444 my ram is just 2666mhz (xmp I enabled)
@@apothecy4011 Can you say VCCIO and VCCSA voltages on you system? if then more or equal 1.3v, you need reduce it.
By my experience if RAM Clk less 3 Ghz SA:0.95v and IO :1.05v.
@@technotarius4444 no, it is like 1.1-1.2 max i think
@@technotarius4444 VID is around 1250 on 100% load also. Have set svid behavior on Auto from bios (Intel's fail safe option seems the same as the auto one). Also when i enable MCE, pc freezes (not BSOD though) when i run cinebench.
good video. emperor has no clothes and all but papa Linus has totally lost touch. His 9900k rev was total joke, and then he defended it to his audience.. who are probably too dumb to know, lets face it
How was it a joke?
@@hurrdurrimaburr he had it drawing less power and making less heat than the 8700k so obvious BS , and no one reputable can reproduce his results on the same hardware and settings. Also if LTT is going to play stupid and say the TDP and VRM picks were ok..Fine, then why the fuck did they not test the I5 8400 and 8600 at stock TDP for 4 seconds in a room freezer. yeah, cause tha't dodgy as fuck and they should not have done this with 9900k.
Liam Cockcroft some people won the silicon lottery. Plus some boards, mainly Asus boards, run the 9900K closer to power spec if BIOS settings werent changed. That impacts thermals and power draw.
For exemple Joker Production got a dud chip the first time, then he got sent another chip and that was awesome thermally. Je was able to OC it to 5.2Ghz no problem.
I’m still in 2 minds about investing in the 9900K. Too overpriced.
@@redhaze8080 You obviously have no idea what you're talking about lol. There's plenty of 9900K OC videos on youtube that has it running at acceptable specs.
Any CPU would run +80c in Cinebench at 5.2GHz. Gamers nexus has been over how shitty this gens motherboards is aswell. You're basicly fucked if you buy low end and some of the $200+ mobos have garbage VRM aswell.
Some people never saw the 100c temps that many reviewers did. You're clearly biased though.
burr then why did LTT not test the 8600 at 65w?, and show me reputable testers who can get the LTT cinebench score at those temps and setting. Total BS
You could try the B360 with these: How much does a fan pointing at the VRM help? (500-800-1200-2500-extreme rpm, try finding a sensor in hwinfo, way superior to hwmonitor or use the probe) Is it possible to not trigger the VR thermal alert then? And finally: can you set tdp limits in the bios so that the cpu matches Z390 performance?
we have almost the same PC..
9900k
Enermax 360mm aio
msi Godlike z390
32GB 3200mhz cs16 dominator platinum
msi gaming x trio 2080ti
evga 1000 G5 80+ gold psu
pure sine wave, cyberpower 1500va ups
I just finished building this pc about 2 weeks ago and im absolutely loving it.. coming from my old pc (asus z97 deluxe, i7 4790k, 32gb ddr3, 750 watt 80+ silver psu) this thing is an absolute monster! I'm yet to pin the gpu or cpu to 100% even with 4k gaming and even with 4k video editing. I'm loving it.
Why not trying set Power Limits (PL1 to 95W and PL2 to 120W) for reduce current via VRM?
With regards to testing, what i'm curious about is since you're saying the 9900k gives 9600k performance on B360, how does the 9600k perform on B360?
Are you formatting the drive for this test, chipset drivers will cripple the system if they are not compatible.
If you had the z390 drivers installed then swapped out the motherboard and used the same z390 drivers for your b360 board, its not going to run well.
What is that CPU D3D11 and GPU overlay in witcher? How do you get that? MSI Afterburner?
So does it matter what MB you buy as long as it have Z390 chipset?
yes msi afterburner (technically rivatuner statistics server but it comes bundled with afterburner)
So I have a GA AB350 Gaming 3 with a Ryzen 5 1600x, and a EVGA GTX 1070 ti sc. Using the game debate site it says that my cpu is bottle necking, or would it be a similar situation as here? Got the mobo and the cpu as a bundle.
good video, a query if the processor is used without the letter k, the same would happen, or it would be better an i7 9700 without the letter k
Maybe it's being held back by your old w👀den desk tech.
asrock b360m pro4 are compatible with i5-9600K? now i have this matherboard, my budget is thigt.. please answer and thankyou
I have a question, what are the MOBO chipsets that will run an i9-9900KF ?
2:58
What is that card ?!
2x8 + 6 Pins power ??!!
MSI Gaming X Trio 2080Ti
(Help) I bought an i9 9900k with a b360 gaming plus motherboard. My PC won't get past the MSI loading screen. Could the motherboard not be enough?
This is the EXACT problem that I've been having with my 8700k since I bought it. Don't get me wrong I'm on a pretty high end z370 board from MSI, no idea which one though and I do not have the time to check, but due to radiator clearance and subsequent airflow, my VRM's aren't really being cooled by anything. They get really hot and then I power throttle hard. Even though the system doesn't know that's happening. The only solutions are to stick a fan on the VRM's which I did for a while and that helped or to get a full cover waterblock, which I did plan on doing before the 9900K came out. So now I'm going to be upgrading at the end of the month. So, problem avoided I guess.
What about gigabyte H370 HD3. Should I pair this cpu with H370. currently I'm running i5. Should I go for i7 or i9? If we Just consider thermals and performance.
Wow crazy. Wouldn't have thought cpu performance would be impacted when just running at stock speeds. Always assumed that the better the board, the better the o/c of either cpu or memory.
Z370 msi pro carbón or B365 asus rog strix F gaming For i9 9900k? No OC
Wonder how much difference there would be in actual case instead of open bench.
So, what is the highest CPU you would recommend pairing with a cheap B360. Currently I am running a I5 8400 and I was thinking of upgrading to a 9600k/I7 8700/8086K/8700K
Im waiting for the answer too about this. 😅
I have an nzxt z390 (because that was cheap when I bought my 9400f)so for me this should be fine, correct?
I'm debating upgrading my i7 6700k on z170 at 4.5 with an rtx 2080ti but dont know if the extra cores will give me a much better gaming experience. I play on a 1440p and 165hz gsync monitor. I get average 120fps in BFV with the settings on high. CPU usage usually goes to 100% so I'm wondering if I'm 'bottlenecking' the 2080ti with my 6700k.
What about boards such as the MSI z390 A pro? These aren't cheap, coming in at £120 but a lot cheaper than other z390 boards. I think it has 8 phase.
on the website it says the my MSI B360M Gamaing plus its only compatibile with 8th gen, why can he use 9th gen and even i9 on his?
The one good thing I can say about the new i9 is the box looks amazing
i have b360 it in mine i5 9400f and gtx 1660
i feel some delay when i game should i change my specs or change the motherboard?
What about mid-range Z370 Motherboards, MSI Z370 Tomahawk board for expample, How would i9-9900K do on that motherboard?
I game and stream at the same time, and lately COD has been causing some backup on my system. I was thinking about upgrading to the 9900k with a z390 (should I get a specific one or are they all fine?). Ill be using a 1080 with the system. Ive been watching my CPU load while playing and its been hitting 100 up until I pushed the clocks to its limits (4.2), GPU seems fine. Will this be a good setup, or does someone recommend something different? I do NOT want to use a duel PC setup...
I watch all your videos anyway. I think it's about time I subscribed.
i'm just subscribed!, cause yes, i do watch all the videos
@@Herbert2892 idk
Hola Maestro se podra usar un i9 9900 sin k en una motheboard GIGABYTE B365M GAMING HD ? ..... su respuesta seria de gran ayuda ... saludos y adelante .
How about the 9900k on a GB z390UD? See how overclockable it is versus i5 8600 on the same board
*That mobo is warmed up for hawt newz*
b360 mother boards is for mid range
not for extream extra ultra super TI XT hugh cpu???
If I had $2000 CAD what’s the best combination for gaming performance with retail pricing? Would want 144 hz target
Btw- price just for the pc itself and 144hz for FPS games like BFV, BO4, PUBG
What if you get a cheap z370 and use a 9700k? I have to use z370p d3 with my new 9700k for a while but not sure if everything is 100% kosher. Also overclocking it on this board did not feel right and had weird issues just a 5ghz
how can i setup MSI afterburner to show CPU clock speeds?? i cant find the option
Still similar to z390 performance, so what is the problem?
sir how about i9 9900 Non K ?
I am at terrible internet connection and the video started to buffer at 3:36.
"Anything higher than that is... *little noise, then video stops*"
Perfect timing :)
You're right. i've seen shit like that on used market ,people selling kits of mobo +cpu sometimes with ram as well, Shit like ryzen 1600x with b320 and 2133 mhz ram.... and they insist on selling them as a kit even tho the kit itself is complete shit.
Wow haven't looked at a video from you in a while since the LTT stuff. But I must say you have cleaned up very nicely.... Well done and keep up the great work.
Interesting video. I was wondering what Dell monitor model have you got?
I have asus tuf b360m + asus strix 2060 rtx + i5 9600k , is this a bad combination ? I know ı had to buy at least a z390 chipset board..
'n what about a Msi b360 gaming plus coupled with a 9900 non k or a 9700k ? Cause i'm waiting the rtx 3080/3080ti and would it be paired with the best cpu i can afford within my rig
So is it fine for me if i swap i5-8400 with i7-8700(or i7-8700k),i7-9700 (or i7-9700k) on my gigabyte h370 hd3 motherbord. or i wll face the same issue on K-series i7 chips.
energy = heat, consult your ampere/watt meter for more information :D
Thats what i was thinking, the motherboard probably has a wattage limit that starts to limit performance once its broken.
Msi b360 gaming plus can support i7 9700k ?
i'm using a 9900k + z390 maximus xi code and my cinebench score is 2030 ish... how are you getting 2200 on stock :o
Thanks for the video! Can you please do an Asus z390-i vs. ASRock Phantom Gaming (z390) comparison? The ASRock z390 itx mobo has less VRMs, but they're supposedly best in class. I'm looking to see what's the best itx board for the 9900k.
The main problem here is that the UEFI doesn't throttle the speed soon enough to keep power consumption within specs.
With all cores engaged it should be running at base clock most of the time.
That gives the true stock performance of this CPU.
You need to measure temperature on the mosfets, not the chokes, lol. But that 100C on the choke is pretty bad. The mosfets could have been 125C and throttling.
Hello
How about MSI Z370 gaming 5 and 9900k?
which mobo do you recommend for the 9900k ?
"Don't cheap out on the motherboard"
"Don't cheap out on the power supply"
I more wanna know if I can use a 9900K on my z370 board that I already have just so I can buy that in the future when the price goes down.
@@evers6214 true, maybe when GPUs start requiring PCIE 4.0 I'll just jump ship to AMD, screw intel and they damn monopoly, their almost as bad as Nvidia.
Nice video. I’ve been patiently waiting for one of you to review how the z370 boards handle the 9th gen CPU’s? A lot of people upgraded when the 8th generation came out. The ability to throw a 9th gen cpu in our existing motherboards is a nice quick upgrade... should we do it? Would we get the same experience as a new z390 board? If this is something you’re interested in doing please throw the ASRock z370 Taichi into the mix. Keep up the good work!
The chokes should not be the problem, the VRMs are the thing heating up the chokes.
You mean the mosfets?
I have never liked low end boards. Even when I don’t over clock. But, this is wild how much that B360 hurts the i9.
The issue could caused by stock thermal pads included within the VRM heatsink not in close contact with the VRM itself this was a problem with the MAXIMUS X FORMULA
It means my i5 is better than i9 😂feeling good
same here :)))
@Evil Eye i got 8600k stock clocks with an stupid cooling device(cost about 10 $) and the temps going max 60C :))
@Evil Eye i had big upgrade from intel q6600.. of cource looks powerful but i have not using others CPU's to know better. by the way i5 8400 running with 80 TDM, 8600k with 95..probably 8400 are more cool but i don;t know that :)
No, it doesn’t mean the i5 is better. It means the i5 is better for the B360 motherboard chipset, which nobody will use the i9 with anyways.
@Evil Eye my poor knowledge say : if you like testing a cpu on gaming you have running it on the lowest settings if not the gpu will run the game on ultra(if good one) so.. gaming = Gpu for sure.. cpu not have big matters :))
how is zotac 1070 ti mini gpu in terms of temps and noise
whats the ram name that u used ?
I recently upgraded my Ryzen 3 1200 to a Ryzen 7 1700x on my Gigabyte GA-AB350M Gaming 3 B350 motherboard. No issues so far, Cinebench scored 1525CB, right where it should be. Not going to attempt an overclock. VRMs are a 4 + 3 phase. Higher end AMD CPUs have actually been proven to work on mid range boards just fine.
I remember buying a Z270 Board in May of 2017 when it was the best Intel chipset. That was a mistake.
Tom 2404 🤦🏽♂️
Just keep in mind just a phase count doesn't equals the vrm quality, you can have high end and low end 4 phase 6 or even a trash 8 phase or amazing 8 phase.
i9 9900k with b360m e gaming 1050ti, 600W its ok for stream?
You guys should hire an intern to write or draw stuff on that completely blank whiteboard
Having reviewed your results, the discrepancy between the i9-9900k on the B360 and Z390 amounts to 3.2% in favour of the Z390, I’d hardly call this significant even if the chokes on the 360 are running at high temperatures, if we factor in the lack of overclocking on the 360, then the question of value over a 9600K is obviously more significant. However, a 9900K still yields a near 100% gain over the 9600K (on the 360) in Cinebench (multi-thread) which I would have thought translate very well into video encoding and other similarly processor intensive tasks, so there clearly remains an advantage to running it on a middle-tier motherboard….but, if you’d have thrown a 8700k or 9700k into the mix……
I can run an i9 9900kf on my h310m?
Question for Yah - does ASUS ROG Strix Z390-E Gaming Motherboard Fully Support and Use the i9 9990k CPU?
I just got a 9900K and even a Z370 TUF mobo couldn’t handle it; still had a trash 4-phase VRM with heatsinks on it. Substituted it with a used ASUS Prime Z390-A w/8-phase VRMs and they can handle 180W load without getting close to throttling.
if you got a good deal or dont care the 9900k or 9900kf works perfectly fine with the b360pro4/xtreme. Just get a good cooler, unlock wattage limiters and undervolt the cpu to around 1.35 because for me it was getting up to 1.43v. But it gets a 4.6ghz under load and 4.9ghz 1 core. Everything stays under 70c with a NH-D12L fan when underload, i get around 180 less points in the cinebench than the average score for a 9900kf, which isnt that bad. I dont know what board this guy has but i never throttled once with my fan, so dont worry about that.
I've lost all my confidence in Asus motherboards after having two Prime series motherboards giving this weird CPU overvolt error just 3-5 months after fresh builds even though they were running on stock settings (just RAM on XMP).. changed both to Gigabyte and been running wonderfully since even with slight overclocks.. maybe this video should be retested using an MSI or Gigabyte motherboard instead and see if there's any difference..
what about i7 9700? It´s posible or not?