New Build Steam Locomotive L.N.E.R P2 2-8-2 2007 Prince of Wales
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- Опубліковано 19 гру 2023
- Darlington locomotive works, new build steam locomotive L.N.E.R P2 2-8-2 2007 Prince of Wales taking shape with Frames, Monobloc, Tender, Cab, and Motion in place - 16/12/23
Such a shame that David Elliot won't see the finished locomotive,he passed away a few days ago.
Very sad news this week to hear that
Agreed his contribution will not be forgotten
I was very sad to hear the news too. I met him at his house a few years ago when he was deep in Solidworks for the valve gear. 2007 will be a magnificent reminder.
What a shame.
A genuine shame, the world’s worse without him.
A 21st century steam loco built with 21st century engineering, this is going to be just perfection and the purists can't object to perfection. It's a genuine steam loco that will find its place as a new one amongst the older ones, exciting times ahead for the steam enthusiasts.
Да, штучное лучше серийного. Сделано с любовью. Что касается меня, то важнее услышать звук паровоза среди холмов чем на Марс лететь. Спасибо вам за ваши усилия! А тем кто не дожил вечная память.
Thanks to the efforts of you folks in the uk, guys here in the states have started on a locomotive build, the prrT1. People here had been pondering about how to do this for the last 40 years, and you guys showed the way. Thanks
It is with great sadness that I learned of David’s passing. I think I speak for everyone when I say that without his engineering knowledge and expertise tornado would not of been possible. His contribution to the design of 2007 will be his legacy for many decades to come . I hope that sometime in the future a locomotive could be named after him.
You Limeys don't screw around, do you? All the best from Canada and I look forward to seeing it run!
Shame the other P2 has long been forgotten and will never see the rails, needs these guys to take over....fantastic engine and effort by all.
It's always great to see an update on this incredible locomotive. Many thanks.
Thank You 💪
Nice film of a lovely thing happening. Thanks for sharing. 🙏
Thank you
@@RailTractionEye liked and subscribed, look forward to having a look at your other vids when time allows. Thanks.
That monoblock casting is impressive.
Brilliant this. 4 main driving wheels...that's a statement isn't it. Readers may enjoy following the build of the Baby Deltic, for me, it's appeal especially because it's a small scale affair.
It's a splendid new workshop they have now.
Yes, a great new facility 👍
Wow, that's really coming along nicely.
Fantastic to see the progress on the locomotive
The Railroading community is pretty cool from what I can see as an outsider. I wish there was sufficient drive to fund the construction of a new Clipper ship. I have some ideas if Charlie Munger left me in his will.
Only a new boiler remains.
And what a massive construction and paperwork that will be.
You start with tested and aproved by a f.e. Loyds Register materials for the construction.
Drilled front plate and rearplate, boilerplate, flame and heatexchanger pipes, boilermounting brackets, firebox, radial stays and safety plugs, etc.etc.
To get a boiler certificate all steps have to the checked and certified.
I hope to see the front and rear drilled plates for the boiler soon on this channel.
Both has already been made over in DB Meiningen, couple of final touches and it’s being shipped over to the U.K. and to the HQ in the next few months.
Last major component to make is the valve gear 🙂
@@mikesanders5433 So the video of the water over pressure test of the boiler in front of a register representive is nearby 😁
When they are lucky they have no small leaks at the plugs or failure of a radial stay.
Luckily that is small repairwork that can be done on site.
Yes, will be incredible to see the boiler arrive soon from Germany and placed in the frames, the project is looking fantastic
way back when i was a young aprentice i worked on a boiler refit for the flying scotsman i spent many days not doing what i should have been doing ,
HONESTLY I JUST SPENT MANY DAYS PERTENDING TO BE THE DRIVER PULLING THIS TURNING THAT TAPPING GUAGES .
my forman / boss . thought it was so funny that a 16 year old [noob ] was playing with a full scale train set , he just left me to it .
this is not a fictional story . i actualy spent hours and hours playing in the real flying scotsman .
like if you are green with envy :)
I'd like to see a totally new design steam engine using the latest improvements.
This will contain modern improvements to the original design
Good to see you have steam experts & casting technology .Mrs T left you a fortune safe to mine steel pit props not wood auto gas detection Anti spark Led lights ,Steam will be King again ,thats all we had in my youth ,
Yay my local engine works!
Its not a monobloc casting,its a steel fabrication.The welding is clearly visible.
Being a LMS man it’s not my cup of Tea lol 😜 But fantastic seeing a new steam locomotive being built 🤩 Keep the good work up 👍🏻
Hopefully now the Unknown warrior has moved to a new location progress will ramp back up on that too 🙂
A great piece of engineering and fantastic work by the group 👍
I love the LMS too, but we can't argue that this is not an interesting loco can we.
On the connecting rods are the Berrings adjustable to allow for the tolerances between the drive pins from wheel to wheel?
Should re name it the David Elliot.
Excellent idea, what a contribution he made, it was very worrying to see in, one of the recent reviews, him saying he had been diagnosed and now we hear the worst. Very sad for him, his family and friends and for all the team.
That cylinder monobloc looks complicated. I hope there is no problem with the inside cylinder!
Yes, an incredible piece of engineering
Should have carried on the scottish theme with the name. Everything is Prince of Wales this or Queen Elizabeth that ugh
This is clearly Britain.
I genuinely hope that one day, they'd build a modernised steam locomotive, to showcase what can be done when modern technology is applied to this and how it performs against the 'retro' locomotives. Would be really interesting to see if they could beat a diesel etc.
I mean we are halfway there with both Tornado and the P2. Both have been redesigned in part by Elliot (RIP ☹️).
But I get what you mean, a super modern steam design.
An interesting idea. Of course, many different designs, with different configurations of valve gear etc were tried and tested right up until the end of steam. While there's always room for improvement, a modern day loco would most likely look much like the final designs being produced in the 50's and 60's.
Bear in mind the advancement in rocket technology. It's taken 60 years to improve on Saturn V but the forthcoming design will be lighter, more powerful and composed of XX% fewer parts especially because of 3D printing.
Work was done on a possibility and it looked like a BR class 5. There's a (white) model to be seen in the NRM warehouse (if you look very carefully!).
No chance. A steam locomotive is only around 6% fuel efficiency and that's a good one.
Plus massive maintenance and construction costs and takes hours to raise steam.
They'll never be more than curiosities these days.
They show build a real life e2 and a long forgotten box tank
An entire set of parameters that have to be completely explored and answered, all adding up to how much does it cost to carry 1 ton 1 mile? Carbon cost at 1 ton per 1 mile, too.
I was sceptical about this at first but this is coming along nicely. Just out of curiosity, I wonder how much it would cost per unit to build another 50 in a production run?
At some point batch builds of 4-5 smaller locos may be feasible, but there's no need for 50 new mainline steam locos in the current world environment.
@@james.black981
For non electrified lines? Experience has been that oil fired steam performs as well as modern diesel electric locomotives. The recent class 68 diesels have been unsatisfactory due to noise and reliability issues and are being withdrawn; many diesel types have had short lives and cannot be overhauled more than three or four times. There are also difficulties in meeting noise and emission standards with large internal coambustion engines.
Exotic technologies such as batteries and hydrogen are an expensive dead end except perhaps in the lowest power ranges.
The economics of service industries like transport is heavily distorted by tax systems. Between 45% and 55% of labour costs are tax.
Some countries eg Sweden have electrified routes where traffic is so light that someone will eventually realise that the fixed equipment is not worth renewing when it wears out. Some electrified lines carry about a train a hour! Why were they ever electrified in the first place?
Would it have a limited route availability with that wheel arrangement? I cant see it getting around Northam Curve at Southampton for example.
I was thinking just that, I'm not certain what the RA will be but imagine it will be restricted on tighter curves
The country is going 'down the pan' and we ( the brits) have something to be proud of at last.....Made in the UK..
once it's all fabricated, do you have to disassemble it for painting?
Very impressive, even though I am not entirely sure if a P2 is required.
Now now, we're not here to say there shouldn't be a new one, we're here to appreciate that there will be a new one :D
The number of steam locomotives _required_ in the modern world is 0. The number we all want to see running on the rails... is not 0.
There are many things we make in the 21st Century that are not required, Tom Cruise films, books by Nadine Dorries, music by . They are making a new P2 because they want to, people are funding it because they want to see it and subsequently people will pay to ride behind it because they want to.
I can think of no better reason for making anything. Make steam engines not war.
Many current locomotives will soon be permanently retired.
I wonder how much of casting and machining is being done in the UK?
Made in Irvine Scotland I believe
WOW!!! when is Grezza,s super cool loco ready to boil hiss and puff, 2025,is just round the corner?, yes cats&kittens the Bicentenary of the Stockton Darlington Railway.
Presumably NR are ok with this loco running on their metals?
What does the monoblock do please ?
It holds the pistons and is a point of entry and exit of the steam to power the locomotive
Many thanks ... Anyone know the current state of Tornado, and where it is?
I understand it is at the great central railway currently
@@RailTractionEye Thanks for your help.
What is the Monobloc for? Newbie to steam.
The cylinders holding the pistons and the exhaust for the locomotive
Estimated top speed for this beauty?
It will be 75 MPH on Network Rail unless derogation to 90 MPH is granted.
Of course it will be capable of travelling much faster although i doubt that will be permitted.
Whether it will be able to match or exceed the 101.6 MPH attained by ‘Tornado’ remains to be seen.
Likely 75 mph
When do they believe it will be completed?
Never underestimate what a few unassuming old white blokes with beards can do.
@nickmiller76
They are precisely the people who get things done.
. . . . as distinct from grey-haired old men playing trains?
Not sure what being white has to do with it. Or blokes and beards for that matter.
yes, you're right, talent does come in all shapes and varieties@@IstasPumaNevada
What???? I thoung britisch railways wound Not allow to build Steam locomotives again in 1950s?!
British Railways does not exist anymore, it went defunct in 1997. Because so, A group can build a steam engine if they want to.
@@ClinchfieldRailfan921 British Rail allowed mainline steam since the early 70's until the end.
Soo does that mean that the old Steam locomotives will come back to live and Steam ON the Mainline again???
Great effort, great locomotive, terrible embarassing name.
😕 promo sm
Should rename it Princess of Wales. Prince of Wales is just naff.
Its their desicion and you cant make them
It was but an observation with a polite suggestion. Their choice, but a lot of other changes have happened on the project. @@ClinchfieldRailfan921
It should have a North British Railway Atlantic name.
The group which built this likes to associate itself with the UK armed forces, so their first new-build loco was named 'Tornado' (After the R.A.F.'s multi-role combat aircraft of the same name) and I believe it also carries the R.A.F. crest and motto. 'Prince Of Wales' has been a name given to a succession of Royal Navy warships, and I think the name is at least partly a nod to the Royal Navy. It is true that King Charles, when he was still Prince Of Wales himself, took a great interest in 'Tornado' and they may well have decided to name their second loco in honour of someone they considered a good friend to them and their projects. And why not?
Personally I would have liked to have seen it continue the tradition of these being named after notable Scottish political figures, but as has been said, it's their loco and they can call it what they like.
I can't wait to see this running - someone asked whether we really need a P2 - absolutely we do, they look stunning, at least in their original form. I don't really see the point of making a 'rebuilt' P2 because all you'll have then is an A4 with 'too many wheels'.
@@siriusmicromaniacI’m sure there’s a group in Doncaster constructing a streamlined P2? Literally a new build Cock o the North.
Hi a lot of standing around doing nothing.
@nicholasmarino1733
Admiring such a magnificent sight is not standing around doing nothing.
Errr ... They are visitors, guests and funders on an Open Day ... 🤦♂
It’s kinda not done
So I assume, with Britain’s commitments to CO2 reduction, that this will run on ELECTRICITY? Or is environmental responsibility just a farce?
we just need to invent carbon-neutral steaming coal.