Strongly disagree that more weight = better quality. In fact I think it’s opposite of that. Most of Certainteed and IKOs shingles contain a ton of binder in them which will get brittle and break easier especially in colder climates. I do think across the board that the quality of asphalt flux has degraded substantially over the past 15-20 years. If the flux is mixed correctly with the correct polymers and cured correctly then the lighter product will out perform. Only way to effectively have this argument is to do engineering de-saturation testing of the shingles not grading them based on the number on the scale.
Malarkey won 2020 shingle comparison and were lighter than most. When we called them this week they told us 210lb, when we weighted them they were 210. We are ok with lighter shingles being lighter, but if manufacturer doesn’t know it’s weight they can’t convince us they have good quality control to begin with.
From your list only one manufacturer “quoted” the correct weight. There will be differences in weights per bundles. OC even says there will be 22-24 shingles in a bundle and that it’s on 96.3 sf per 3 bundles. There is no way to have perfection on the weight as it comes down the line. Each granule has different densities and has different weights. I guarantee you that every 2x4, sheet of drywall, sheet of osb etc you pick up will be a different weight as well.
Strongly disagree. 4 manufactures will have their weight close to claimed, other 5 will be 10% under minimum weight claimed. Look up Reese report, he has been doing it for decades. Two manufactures “lost” weight dramatically when they entered big box stores. They had to cut weight to save money. When you sell billion dollars of product and put 20lb less per square, can you imagine their savings? Especially if they charge as much as those who make 250lb manufacturers
@@RoofingInsights3.0 I get your point that you are equivocating weight to more product. But that might not be the case. If the lighter shingles have more actual asphalt in them and less binder then they are putting more quality into the shingle? Could the heavier weight guys be the ones who are actually taking advantage of the consumer with leas quality Fillers and adding more weight with that and using less asphalt? I don’t think that question can be answered with out de-saturation testing.
@@RoofingInsights3.0 by the way. I have respect for what you are doing in the industry- and I like having opposing dialogue on these things. Lol. I will always be respectful bc that’s how we all get better and learn.
As a homeowner your video was exactly the information I was looking for. It was concise and to the point. You covered all the shingle brands and comparing them saved me a lot of time. Wish there were more videos like yours on other subjects. Great job. Thanks.
Post covid anything is going to be sketchy to begin with. I roofed my house with Oakridge architectural shingles because the brand I wanted was not available at the time my roofing was planned. An insurance adjuster was amazed a few years back when checking out the condition of the shingles. The adjuster said it was one of the best roofing they had seen in a long time. The roof as installed in 2001. Still going strong in 2024. Everything this man said about materials being a commodity is absolutely the truth. Sadly, the consumer loses in the end and doesn't get the same bang for his buck. I am planning a new roof now, and this market makes me nervous.
Thank you for the great video and honesty. If more people like yourself would do more testing and videos, prayerfully we would begin to have less people taking advantage of people which is essentially lying and robbing the people. One day we will all have to give in to account for all of our deeds.
I don’t see GAF HDZ on your list, I have a single GAF Timberlake HDZ shingle and I have one of Certain Teed Landmark and the GAF is paper thin and light and tons of roofer are using them in my hail damaged area
@@RoofingInsights3.0 it was two reasons I noticed that the current brand was not putting as much product in there shingles and the new offered a lot better quality
Excellent video! A quick note, is it fair to compare the others with Malarkey Highlander vs Vista? In my opinion and experience a heavier shingle has a couple other benefits that are not mentioned. 1. There has to be some benefit for preventing wind damage/blow off just by pure weight without considering the seal. 2. A heavier/thicker shingle will do a better job at preventing nail pops from protruding through the shingle. In the Midwest, nail pops are way to common!
Great observation. RI needs to separate the categories into market positions. You can't compare shingle that are $40 / sq more expensive to each other. Modified shingles are separate category. You don't compare 3Tabs to Lams. Nor should you compare Lams to Mod Lams, Lams to designer shingles, etc.
I would like to see some accelerated aging tests such as thermal cycling/shock and UV exposure. This would be a true test of what most people what to know about which is longer term durability.
I agree it all comes down to cost and margin for the manufacturers. Ive always wondered what suppliers pay for materials versus the retail buyers like general public and contractors. Here in North Carolina HDZ, Atlas pinnacle pristine and Landmark are between $25-$27 per bundle in bulk. What does a manufacture make it for? And what does a supplier pay for it?
I’m putting new shingles on my house soon and the contractor says I KO are the best I would like to hear some replies on anyone that’s got an opinion on heavier is better or what shingle is best thank you
From Insights: 00:23 We’re going to answer this important question 02:32 GAF HDZ 02:57 IKO Dynasty 03:44 Tamko Heritage 04:25 BP Vanguard 04:57 OC Duration 05:32 PABCO Premier 06:04 Malarkey Highlander 06:46 CertainTeed Landmark 07:03 Shingles are a commodity product 08:49 If shingle is truly better, they should know weight 11:05 Building materials should be heavier
Love the video bro. I almost feel like weight shingles would be fine with a proper tar seal but if they cant create something that prevents nail pops or mechanical damage, I’m not sure that lighter will be good until we create nano tech roofing systems, I pray to see the day. 😅
Hello. I would love an honest opinion on tamko heritage. I am a remodeler. Been doing a few roofs for the past couple of years. I am based in south texas. We try to give the best quality in workmanship and products. So far no issues, i still keep in contact with my roofing clients but we are always looking for ways to upgrade our standards. Love your videos very educational. Keep up the good work
Currently, we are getting ready to replace 30 year old Tamco Heritage shingles. No problems at all for 30 years. No problems now, never a leak, we are worried about the age. Insurance has questioned the age. SW Virginia.
PABCO has a relatively new plant in Mansfield, TX. That's why we and several in our neighborhood got them. They have expanded westward from OR, WA and CA.
Been putting roofs on since 1989. Thicker is better. The thin shingles shed the granules, crack quicker, sealant lines are taxed heavier and fail sooner. Basically don't fall for the sealant line being more important than weight.
I think there is a big differentiation between roofing in colder States versus warmer States. I'd like to talk to you more about the differences between asphalt shingles, because I am currently studying for my licensing in Florida. I hope to hear from you soon.
Just 10 years ago shingles were rated 30, 40, and 50 year warranty. The heavier the shingle, the longer the warranty. Enter 2020, and this formula has magically changed? And please don’t try to sell me under “better sealants”! Roofing contractors are tired of getting our intelligence tested with lower quality products That continue to cost us more money year after year!
30 yrs ago a 25yr laminate wgt 250 per sq a 50 325 as mfg tighten process variablitiy they start running to the lower end of specifications you also have to look at mix and consistency of ingredients mat wgt, coating and percent of fillers these effect quality more than weight it is all about min variation
Just curious.... what’s the heaviest shingle you have found.... I use pabco paramount advantage for shake style, mostly beachfront comes in at a “claimed” 495 lbs. per square. Premiere is 264 per sq. , and prestige should be 300 per square. I am always asking people in the company about specs and get very consistent numbers. One issue I found with IKO when I used Cambridge was the common bond seemed to be pressed through a roller. Wasn’t even a lip defined enough to catch my gun tip to line my next shingle. I can get consistent look, feel, weight, and color from pabco all day! People also talk about rotating bundles, making sure you don’t get different lots on the same job... I have installed pabco roof with different lots, and never had to rotate bundles ever, and never get color variance. I have several pictures to prove it, even a photo with new shingles mixed with 22 year old shingles. Hardly tell the difference. This is why I say longevity is most important and that comes from walking roofs daily.
Looks like you are impressed with Pabco, we have never used them, they are not available in our market, but we were impressed with bundles they sent us.
Oregon company so I have access to them all over. They are made about 3 hours away from where I live. Been using them since I started roofing. Never had an issue.
I suspect the manufacturers can QC the weight down to a range of 3-5 lbs per square; not 15-20 lbs. If you weighed 100 bundles, i bet they'd be almost identical. I'd like to hear what it is about he manufacturing process that there is this much variance.
Next episode he will rate shingles value on color. "Years ago the color saturation was so much better, now they won't even give the saturation number, just the proprietary Oxford Lane Green or Wells Spring Blue. More color is better right, just like a two x four. Only buy the yellow ones."
Shingles that way less are not better during hurricanes, snow storms, hail, etc...the lighter the shingles are the more they’re gonna fly off, so no lighter is not better for the homeowners-it’s great for manufacturers.
Good angle, but only if their sealant is decent, if they are heavier but sealant is not good their still will fly away. But I agree, weight is very important
I could be wrong as I am not an IKO installer, but isn't the IKO Cambridge the equivalent of the other shingkes in the review, rather than the Dynasty?
I will just say this: IKO and all others were invited for 2020 shingle comparison. IKO, OC and others responded. We have agreed on product line. 2 were not allowed (reps couldn’t agree on in). Next year everyone invited again. If GAF, Tamko or anyone else don’t show up, decisions might be taken place without them. Here at roofing insights we listen to everyone, but when some don’t collaborate we do what’s right for the community: we publish results without them.
@@RoofingInsights3.0 Understood, just figured I would ask because I thought Landmark Pro, UHD would be what were compared to the IKO Dynasty. I have customers that watch you guys as well as a few of us at work and just wanted to clarify for the customers. Thanks for the reply!
Well I think there are pros and cons for both. Heavier would be most likely to stay on a roof during a storm than lighter shingles, but depending on the structure and age of the house would depend if it can even take really heavy shingles. I’m no roofer, so take my option with a grain of salt. ;) lol
One of the best ways to compare products is to take a few random samples from each brand, expose them to the same conditions and evaluate them over time. There is lab equipment that can simulate 30 years of weather exposure in a few months. The physical performance of the products can be tested before and after exposure. Very common engineering practice
Yes, but how do we make them accountable to that? They can pass the test and put I. Writing it was 240lb shingle and switch to 200lb on next badge. Just like VW passed all tested because they cheated. Cost them billions.
@@RoofingInsights3.0 you help hold them accountable by creating public knowledge. Would love to see you do this test yourself! Evaluate a few random shingles from each brand, new out of the package. Then install a few on some plywood and let them sit outside for a year. Look for things like how well the sealant sticks, how well each one will bend until they break, and weight loss after one year 👍 I was previously a materials engineer for a roofing manufacturer. This would be one of the first type of test I would have scheduled to evaluate competition
Heavier the cell phone the better.... Cell phones made 10 years ago were better because they weighed more. Nothing to do with technology or what's inside it right?
@@RoofingInsights3.0 on the 2x4 comment it depends on what species of wood you are using. Yellow pine is a denser lumber compared to Spruce that is cheaper. Not all species of wood are the same. Same concept
@@carltonmartin9430 well, same wood. Let’s say manufacturer makes wood one size, late switches to thinner size to save money, no one gonna call it out? In asphalt shingle world: shingles went from 30 years to 50 years on paper to compete with products like metal. Than they went from 240lb to 200lb, remove weight from packaging, and if you call to ask what they weight answer might suprize you. If manufacturer don’t know what their product weight or off by 20lb per square, do they really have quality control to compare themself to computers? Heavier shingles on other side are on point: consistent and will tell you exactly what their weight is. They plants are newer and technology is more consistent!
@@RoofingInsights3.0 I didn’t know that all manufactures make shingles the exact same way, exact same technology, exact same raw materials. Now I know.
@@RoofingInsights3.0 they claim their shingles can be installed over a roof by torching it over App membrane. Is torching allowed. If so why aren’t other manufacturers following this method
@@RoofingInsights3.0 is torching of roofing shingle over App membrane possible? If so why is Technonicol recommending this method and other manufacturers don’t. Could u please let me know
Weight matters, granules block the UV , over time erosion takes place so logically, if the shingle is made with quality, thicker = more life, however, for the longest time I refused to install BP because they would lose what seemed to be about 15% of their granules, it was totally trash , I’m not sure about today since they made changes.
Weight is a composit of all the ingredients together, thus ingredients should be the issue, not necessarily weight. A ton of crappy materials don’t substitute for lesser amounts of quality materials. There are several good manufacturers out there, we have settled on OC. OC came in on the lower end of weight scale but they are hands down better than IKO (IMO) which came in higher. Also, while in the past I felt GAF was a decent manufacturer, I have done too many inspections lately where I found GAF to not be laminated together. I have since started steering customers away.
Thanks for sharing. Weight by itself doesn’t mean better quality shingle, but it’s good to see the difference in performance between heavier and lighter products
There's no way BP weighs that much. I lift the bundles all the time they feathers compared to Owen Corning Durations and Oakridge. I can rub my fingers together and tear them.
I would say that weight does matter up to a point. The trend in asphalt roofing is using proprietary compounds - not just asphalt and filler. It would be much more accurate to state the amount of asphalt (not filled coating = asphalt + filler) in the shingle may be more important than the overall weight. Note: Some of the big boys use very high filler percentages which makes for an inferior but slightly heavier shingle - why? because cheap filler is much more dense than asphalt. S.G. are 2.7x difference. It's much more complicated because you are dealing with very heavy granules, light asphalt, and very dense filler. It's a math thing. I have studied it for a decade and have come to some very interesting conclusions.
Solid point! Do you think they will share how much asphalt they put in if they can’t even share how much end product weight? Something we can weight ourself VS something we can’t....
@@RoofingInsights3.0 That is true - but there are methods to determine the % filler vs asphalt. I won't go into detail but it isn't that difficult. That would be an interesting test. I already know the answer and it will surprise you.
@@RoofingInsights3.0 a heaving shingles is less likely to be damaged by wind and hail. It’s doesn’t necessarily lag any longer than a thinner shingle. The heavy weight shingles also looks better.
There are so many ways shingle manufactures save money in the composition and manufacturing of their shingles, from start to finish its unregulated, we know one thing for sure their not improving their products, just their brochures & propaganda
Funny how you say here that you like "Thicker Roofing Materials" because you think it's better, however you push thinner and much lighter weight Synthetics with your own brand name. Then at the end, you says for homeowners to give you a call for references and specs they should use....😂😂😂
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Strongly disagree that more weight = better quality.
In fact I think it’s opposite of that.
Most of Certainteed and IKOs shingles contain a ton of binder in them which will get brittle and break easier especially in colder climates.
I do think across the board that the quality of asphalt flux has degraded substantially over the past 15-20 years.
If the flux is mixed correctly with the correct polymers and cured correctly then the lighter product will out perform.
Only way to effectively have this argument is to do engineering de-saturation testing of the shingles not grading them based on the number on the scale.
Malarkey won 2020 shingle comparison and were lighter than most. When we called them this week they told us 210lb, when we weighted them they were 210.
We are ok with lighter shingles being lighter, but if manufacturer doesn’t know it’s weight they can’t convince us they have good quality control to begin with.
From your list only one manufacturer “quoted” the correct weight.
There will be differences in weights per bundles. OC even says there will be 22-24 shingles in a bundle and that it’s on 96.3 sf per 3 bundles.
There is no way to have perfection on the weight as it comes down the line. Each granule has different densities and has different weights.
I guarantee you that every 2x4, sheet of drywall, sheet of osb etc you pick up will be a different weight as well.
Strongly disagree. 4 manufactures will have their weight close to claimed, other 5 will be 10% under minimum weight claimed.
Look up Reese report, he has been doing it for decades. Two manufactures “lost” weight dramatically when they entered big box stores. They had to cut weight to save money. When you sell billion dollars of product and put 20lb less per square, can you imagine their savings? Especially if they charge as much as those who make 250lb manufacturers
@@RoofingInsights3.0 I get your point that you are equivocating weight to more product. But that might not be the case.
If the lighter shingles have more actual asphalt in them and less binder then they are putting more quality into the shingle?
Could the heavier weight guys be the ones who are actually taking advantage of the consumer with leas quality Fillers and adding more weight with that and using less asphalt?
I don’t think that question can be answered with out de-saturation testing.
@@RoofingInsights3.0 by the way. I have respect for what you are doing in the industry- and I like having opposing dialogue on these things. Lol. I will always be respectful bc that’s how we all get better and learn.
As a homeowner your video was exactly the information I was looking for. It was concise and to the point. You covered all the shingle brands and comparing them saved me a lot of time. Wish there were more videos like yours on other subjects.
Great job. Thanks.
I didn't know I had a brother in Mpls!! Thanks for telling the truth, protecting our elders and for being a beacon of light. Well done!
Thank you brother. Good to have you around. Thanks for support
Post covid anything is going to be sketchy to begin with. I roofed my house with Oakridge architectural shingles because the brand I wanted was not available at the time my roofing was planned. An insurance adjuster was amazed a few years back when checking out the condition of the shingles. The adjuster said it was one of the best roofing they had seen in a long time. The roof as installed in 2001. Still going strong in 2024.
Everything this man said about materials being a commodity is absolutely the truth. Sadly, the consumer loses in the end and doesn't get the same bang for his buck. I am planning a new roof now, and this market makes me nervous.
This is insane !
The truth always come to light . I like how transparent Certainteed is that’s why we use them !
Certanteed has always been on point with their weight! For the last 4 years
Same here
I am thinking to use certainteed. Is this the good brand?
Thank you for the great video and honesty. If more people like yourself would do more testing and videos, prayerfully we would begin to have less people taking advantage of people which is essentially lying and robbing the people. One day we will all have to give in to account for all of our deeds.
I don’t see GAF HDZ on your list, I have a single GAF Timberlake HDZ shingle and I have one of Certain
Teed Landmark and the GAF is paper thin and light and tons of roofer are using them in my hail damaged area
Gaf vs. certainteed landmark? Which is better?
Certainteed is for me
We used to use the lighter weighted shingles and it didn’t take us long to figure out that the heavier shingles were much thicker
Did you switched only because of the weight? What else contributed to your decision to switch brands?
@@RoofingInsights3.0 it was two reasons I noticed that the current brand was not putting as much product in there shingles and the new offered a lot better quality
Excellent video! A quick note, is it fair to compare the others with Malarkey Highlander vs Vista?
In my opinion and experience a heavier shingle has a couple other benefits that are not mentioned.
1. There has to be some benefit for preventing wind damage/blow off just by pure weight without considering the seal.
2. A heavier/thicker shingle will do a better job at preventing nail pops from protruding through the shingle. In the Midwest, nail pops are way to common!
Great observation. RI needs to separate the categories into market positions. You can't compare shingle that are $40 / sq more expensive to each other. Modified shingles are separate category. You don't compare 3Tabs to Lams. Nor should you compare Lams to Mod Lams, Lams to designer shingles, etc.
Thanks for the video. I am comparing shingles from different brands.
I would like to see some accelerated aging tests such as thermal cycling/shock and UV exposure. This would be a true test of what most people what to know about which is longer term durability.
I think the sealant strength and longevity would be more important than weight alone. That is very hard to test on a new shingle
True, and we take that in consideration as well
Damnit Kevin! You better be at work at 8:00 tomorrow. I’m tired of you always running off to Roofing Insights HQ!
Hey, easy boy with remote workers, some are more productive working from home!
I agree it all comes down to cost and margin for the manufacturers. Ive always wondered what suppliers pay for materials versus the retail buyers like general public and contractors. Here in North Carolina HDZ, Atlas pinnacle pristine and Landmark are between $25-$27 per bundle in bulk. What does a manufacture make it for? And what does a supplier pay for it?
I'll buy the Malarkey product. The name is eponymous with your video content.
For me weight is is important
The glue, how it performs and a company that stands by there product
All important. Our 2021 shingle guilds will be the the best roofing guide ever put together. Few manufacturers will hate us, oh well
I’m putting new shingles on my house soon and the contractor says I KO are the best I would like to hear some replies on anyone that’s got an opinion on heavier is better or what shingle is best thank you
From Insights:
00:23 We’re going to answer this important question
02:32 GAF HDZ
02:57 IKO Dynasty
03:44 Tamko Heritage
04:25 BP Vanguard
04:57 OC Duration
05:32 PABCO Premier
06:04 Malarkey Highlander
06:46 CertainTeed Landmark
07:03 Shingles are a commodity product
08:49 If shingle is truly better, they should know weight
11:05 Building materials should be heavier
Love the video bro. I almost feel like weight shingles would be fine with a proper tar seal but if they cant create something that prevents nail pops or mechanical damage, I’m not sure that lighter will be good until we create nano tech roofing systems, I pray to see the day. 😅
Thanks for the love! Nano tech roofing system sounds sexy!
Hello. I would love an honest opinion on tamko heritage. I am a remodeler. Been doing a few roofs for the past couple of years. I am based in south texas. We try to give the best quality in workmanship and products. So far no issues, i still keep in contact with my roofing clients but we are always looking for ways to upgrade our standards. Love your videos very educational. Keep up the good work
check out 2020 roofing shingles guide. Thats our honest opinion.
Currently, we are getting ready to replace 30 year old Tamco Heritage shingles. No problems at all for 30 years. No problems now, never a leak, we are worried about the age. Insurance has questioned the age. SW Virginia.
PABCO has a relatively new plant in Mansfield, TX. That's why we and several in our neighborhood got them. They have expanded westward from OR, WA and CA.
Been putting roofs on since 1989. Thicker is better. The thin shingles shed the granules, crack quicker, sealant lines are taxed heavier and fail sooner. Basically don't fall for the sealant line being more important than weight.
Thanks for feedback! Agree with you
Amen. Sooo true!
I think there is a big differentiation between roofing in colder States versus warmer States. I'd like to talk to you more about the differences between asphalt shingles, because I am currently studying for my licensing in Florida. I hope to hear from you soon.
I am licensed in Florida as well, contact us to schedule a call via website please: roofinginsights.com, Dmitry
Just 10 years ago shingles were rated 30, 40, and 50 year warranty. The heavier the shingle, the longer the warranty. Enter 2020, and this formula has magically changed? And please don’t try to sell me under “better sealants”! Roofing contractors are tired of getting our intelligence tested with lower quality products That continue to cost us more money year after year!
Facts. Preach brother
I go with Owen Corning architectural shingles. So far they seem fine
30 yrs ago a 25yr laminate wgt 250 per sq a 50 325 as mfg tighten process variablitiy they start running to the lower end of specifications you also have to look at mix and consistency of ingredients mat wgt, coating and percent of fillers these effect quality more than weight it is all about min variation
Just curious.... what’s the heaviest shingle you have found.... I use pabco paramount advantage for shake style, mostly beachfront comes in at a “claimed” 495 lbs. per square. Premiere is 264 per sq. , and prestige should be 300 per square. I am always asking people in the company about specs and get very consistent numbers.
One issue I found with IKO when I used Cambridge was the common bond seemed to be pressed through a roller. Wasn’t even a lip defined enough to catch my gun tip to line my next shingle. I can get consistent look, feel, weight, and color from pabco all day!
People also talk about rotating bundles, making sure you don’t get different lots on the same job... I have installed pabco roof with different lots, and never had to rotate bundles ever, and never get color variance. I have several pictures to prove it, even a photo with new shingles mixed with 22 year old shingles. Hardly tell the difference. This is why I say longevity is most important and that comes from walking roofs daily.
Looks like you are impressed with Pabco, we have never used them, they are not available in our market, but we were impressed with bundles they sent us.
Oregon company so I have access to them all over. They are made about 3 hours away from where I live. Been using them since I started roofing. Never had an issue.
I suspect the manufacturers can QC the weight down to a range of 3-5 lbs per square; not 15-20 lbs. If you weighed 100 bundles, i bet they'd be almost identical. I'd like to hear what it is about he manufacturing process that there is this much variance.
Next episode he will rate shingles value on color. "Years ago the color saturation was so much better, now they won't even give the saturation number, just the proprietary Oxford Lane Green or Wells Spring Blue. More color is better right, just like a two x four. Only buy the yellow ones."
More color IS better... Class dismissed.
Got two separate quotes: landmark $11400 and GAF HDZ $9200. Each certified respected installers. Who would you go with?
Landmark, all other things the same.
Shingles that way less are not better during hurricanes, snow storms, hail, etc...the lighter the shingles are the more they’re gonna fly off, so no lighter is not better for the homeowners-it’s great for manufacturers.
Good angle, but only if their sealant is decent, if they are heavier but sealant is not good their still will fly away. But I agree, weight is very important
I could be wrong as I am not an IKO installer, but isn't the IKO Cambridge the equivalent of the other shingkes in the review, rather than the Dynasty?
I will just say this: IKO and all others were invited for 2020 shingle comparison. IKO, OC and others responded. We have agreed on product line. 2 were not allowed (reps couldn’t agree on in). Next year everyone invited again. If GAF, Tamko or anyone else don’t show up, decisions might be taken place without them.
Here at roofing insights we listen to everyone, but when some don’t collaborate we do what’s right for the community: we publish results without them.
@@RoofingInsights3.0 Understood, just figured I would ask because I thought Landmark Pro, UHD would be what were compared to the IKO Dynasty. I have customers that watch you guys as well as a few of us at work and just wanted to clarify for the customers. Thanks for the reply!
Me and my dad have noticed that bundles of OCs are way heavier than GAF.
What market are you in?
Well I think there are pros and cons for both. Heavier would be most likely to stay on a roof during a storm than lighter shingles, but depending on the structure and age of the house would depend if it can even take really heavy shingles. I’m no roofer, so take my option with a grain of salt. ;) lol
I'm an Atlas fan. Didn't see the phone call with them. Did they share their weight with you?
They did!
One of the best ways to compare products is to take a few random samples from each brand, expose them to the same conditions and evaluate them over time.
There is lab equipment that can simulate 30 years of weather exposure in a few months. The physical performance of the products can be tested before and after exposure. Very common engineering practice
Yes, but how do we make them accountable to that? They can pass the test and put I. Writing it was 240lb shingle and switch to 200lb on next badge. Just like VW passed all tested because they cheated. Cost them billions.
@@RoofingInsights3.0 you help hold them accountable by creating public knowledge. Would love to see you do this test yourself! Evaluate a few random shingles from each brand, new out of the package. Then install a few on some plywood and let them sit outside for a year.
Look for things like how well the sealant sticks, how well each one will bend until they break, and weight loss after one year 👍
I was previously a materials engineer for a roofing manufacturer. This would be one of the first type of test I would have scheduled to evaluate competition
Heavier the cell phone the better.... Cell phones made 10 years ago were better because they weighed more. Nothing to do with technology or what's inside it right?
Argument straight from the manufacturer marketing manual. 2x4s that are 1 1/2 x 3 1/2 are better than true 2x4 right?
@@RoofingInsights3.0 so everyone uses the same asphalt, mat, sealant, ect? Got it.
@@RoofingInsights3.0 on the 2x4 comment it depends on what species of wood you are using. Yellow pine is a denser lumber compared to Spruce that is cheaper. Not all species of wood are the same. Same concept
@@carltonmartin9430 well, same wood. Let’s say manufacturer makes wood one size, late switches to thinner size to save money, no one gonna call it out?
In asphalt shingle world: shingles went from 30 years to 50 years on paper to compete with products like metal. Than they went from 240lb to 200lb, remove weight from packaging, and if you call to ask what they weight answer might suprize you.
If manufacturer don’t know what their product weight or off by 20lb per square, do they really have quality control to compare themself to computers? Heavier shingles on other side are on point: consistent and will tell you exactly what their weight is. They plants are newer and technology is more consistent!
@@RoofingInsights3.0 I didn’t know that all manufactures make shingles the exact same way, exact same technology, exact same raw materials. Now I know.
I would think thinner products are easier to handle, which is good for contractors.
Hi. Have you’ll heard of Technonicol roofing shingles?? Are they good
Going to test them next year when I go back to Russia/Europe. No clue how they compare
@@RoofingInsights3.0 they claim their shingles can be installed over a roof by torching it over App membrane. Is torching allowed. If so why aren’t other manufacturers following this method
@@RoofingInsights3.0 is torching of roofing shingle over App membrane possible? If so why is Technonicol recommending this method and other manufacturers don’t. Could u please let me know
Weight matters, granules block the UV , over time erosion takes place so logically, if the shingle is made with quality, thicker = more life, however, for the longest time I refused to install BP because they would lose what seemed to be about 15% of their granules, it was totally trash , I’m not sure about today since they made changes.
Agree, granule retention is one of the most important metrics to pay attention to in shingle comparisons and quality controls in general
well tamko has to disclose their weight for DOT right ?
Probably. It’s speaks volumes when we hear that manufactures don’t want to share data. Like we can’t figure it out. 🤦♂️
Weight is a composit of all the ingredients together, thus ingredients should be the issue, not necessarily weight. A ton of crappy materials don’t substitute for lesser amounts of quality materials. There are several good manufacturers out there, we have settled on OC. OC came in on the lower end of weight scale but they are hands down better than IKO (IMO) which came in higher.
Also, while in the past I felt GAF was a decent manufacturer, I have done too many inspections lately where I found GAF to not be laminated together. I have since started steering customers away.
Thanks for sharing. Weight by itself doesn’t mean better quality shingle, but it’s good to see the difference in performance between heavier and lighter products
TAMKO = I have the right to remain silent and I wish to speak to an attorney.
😂😂😂 plead 5th
7:30 "Cheaper and lighter usually cost less". Wow, this guy "really" knows what he's talking about. LOL
There's no way BP weighs that much. I lift the bundles all the time they feathers compared to Owen Corning Durations and Oakridge. I can rub my fingers together and tear them.
I would say that weight does matter up to a point. The trend in asphalt roofing is using proprietary compounds - not just asphalt and filler. It would be much more accurate to state the amount of asphalt (not filled coating = asphalt + filler) in the shingle may be more important than the overall weight. Note: Some of the big boys use very high filler percentages which makes for an inferior but slightly heavier shingle - why? because cheap filler is much more dense than asphalt. S.G. are 2.7x difference. It's much more complicated because you are dealing with very heavy granules, light asphalt, and very dense filler. It's a math thing. I have studied it for a decade and have come to some very interesting conclusions.
Solid point! Do you think they will share how much asphalt they put in if they can’t even share how much end product weight? Something we can weight ourself VS something we can’t....
@@RoofingInsights3.0 That is true - but there are methods to determine the % filler vs asphalt. I won't go into detail but it isn't that difficult. That would be an interesting test. I already know the answer and it will surprise you.
Heavier shingles are more better.
What’s your favorite brand?
Heavy shingles are not better and they don’t last longer. It’s all the look of a heavy shingles in your roof.
Can heavy shingles last longer? What made you say that? What shingles do
You like?
@@RoofingInsights3.0 a heaving shingles is less likely to be damaged by wind and hail. It’s doesn’t necessarily lag any longer than a thinner shingle. The heavy weight shingles also looks better.
There are so many ways shingle manufactures save money in the composition and manufacturing of their shingles, from start to finish its unregulated, we know one thing for sure their not improving their products, just their brochures & propaganda
It is regulated, but the biggest problem is once they shipped out they will never get recalled, now it’s warranty claims, and you know how that goes
Weight matters!!
Yes it does!!!
Funny how you say here that you like "Thicker Roofing Materials" because you think it's better, however you push thinner and much lighter weight Synthetics with your own brand name. Then at the end, you says for homeowners to give you a call for references and specs they should use....😂😂😂
Bs It’s not the weight