2024 Liege-Bastogne-Liege - Should Pogačar skip the Giro and focus on the Tour de France? | THEMOVE
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- With the landscape of top Tour Competitors being riddled with injury, does this make a clear path for Pogačar to win the Tour? Should this become his focus?
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I am disappointed that you don't seem to realize what is Pogacar's mindset, Johan. He already stated multiple times that he wants to win ALL big races, that is what moves him, instead of just winning 5, 6 or even 7 Tours, he wants to be a modern day Eddy Merckx and to achieve that status he will need to start winning other Grand Tours, the World Championships, keep winning monuments every year... We should be glad that such a talented rider like Pogacar has this mindset instead of just focusing on the Tour like others...
During the Legends pod w/Bernard Hinault and JB1, The Badger talked about being driven by the pure joy of crushing his rivals whenever he pinned on a number. This is the feeling that Tadej Pogacar has for bike racing. He has talked about smashing world tour races as if they are video games. That is what is fun for him, and what motivates him. He is not the guy that wraps himself in bubble wrap and bases his whole year on the TDF, and he doesn't give a hoot about how he is judged in the press if he doesn't win it because he is doing the races the that he wants to do. He is there to give his best effort for himself, his team, and his sponsors, and then he will be satisfied with the result.
Pog has never been Tour-centric in his thinking. He has a broad view of cycling and wants to win lots of different races. I say go for double. Get that, go for the extremely rare triple.
Yeah; cycling exists outside of 3 weeks in July. He just needs to reign it in at the Giro, and do as little as possible to win; which is possible.
Yes i like that too, if the stars of cycling are riding/valueing one-day-classics as much as big stage races it might help incease the cycling audience and have them watch more that just the TdF. One day races are usually more exciting and unpredictable anyway.
@@WerdnaLitenYes, he could wrap it up after Stage 10 and then use the rest of the stages as training.
I disagree, no one cares who wins the classics unless you are in Europe or a hardcore cycling fan most people know the Tour and that’s where the big stardom is but as Lance said he’s getting a lot of money to show up at the Giro
Actually, sucha triple is not rare, it's even unheard of. There never has been a triple crown with regards to winning all 3 GT during the same calendar year. Mainly because until the mid 1990s the Vuelta and Giro partially overlapped so a rider could only ride either one of them but not both and gaining such triple crown in GT could thus never been achieved. That is why even the GOAT Eddy Merckx only won 1 Vuelta because he preferred to ride the Giro of which he won 5. So if Pogacar would achieve this feat (Giro-Tour-Vuelta in a a single year) he would be the first ever to win them in the same year.
The closest thing to a triple crown of cycling that has been achieved has been winning 2 GT + WC in the same year, namely Eddy Merckx (1974, Tour + Giro + WC) and Stephen Roche (1987, Tour + Giro + WC).
As a fan of the way Pogi rides, I'd rather see and would be more impressed if he tried to win each of the other tours 2xs and all the classics and monuments over any more TdF wins.
Pogacar wants to be the best cyclist ever, better than Merckx. He cannot accomplish that goal unless he wins the Tour and the Giro in the same year. For all of you, winning the tour was your only goal, which you you accomplished amazingly. For Pog, his goal is the be the greatest of all time.
Johan is a very smart guy when it comes to bike racing. BUT he is wrong about Pogo concentrating on the TdF. Pogo is the equal of Hinault and Merckx and wants to show his dominance in all races.
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Tadej is a monster. He's going to destroy the field in the Giro & the Tour. 👍🏻🚵🏼🚀💯
The much depleted field....I think JV was looking incredible before his horror crash and Remco looked improved too.
TP should crush it this year with JV gone.
I haven't heard it mentioned yet but I think TP is even money to do the rare triple crown of the Giro, TDF, and WC in the same year...only ever done by Merckx and Stephen Roche.
Well his competition was destroyed on that terrible corner in the Basque.
@@2011hwalker That’s just sour grapes loser talk. You can only race the riders who are there with the form that they have…in 1987 Greg Lemond was recovering from being shot and Bernard Hinault retired at the end of 1986, clearing the way for Roche’s 1987 triple crown. In 1989 Lemond benefited when defending TDF champion Pedro Delgado missed his start time in the prologue ITT by over two minutes. Just this month MVDP benefited from all of his major Belgian Holy Week competition being wiped out in a crash the week before. That’s just bike racing.
@@2011hwalker destroyed? come on, less fanaticism. Last year Tadej could ride again in a normal bike only 10 days before TdF and no-one said "he was destroyed". By the way: Roglic is totally ok right now, Remco before TdF will ride Tour Suisse and Jonas still is scheduled to ride Dauphine.
@@2011hwalker Exactly. This is his chance to win all three. A huge aspect of pro cycling is the fortune of who is healthy enough to enter a race and to complete the course in good condition. He has been missing due to injuries which let others win when he might have done. Now is his chance
@@mondociaociao Sadly you clearly don't understand the sport or top level physiology that well. Tadej didn't even have a particularly catastrophic injury last year (minimal injury to his lungs or legs) and it clearly affected his level in the TDF months later. Are you seriously suggesting JV will be anywhere near their best in the TDF when he sustained injuries resembling that of a serious car crash. He hurt his *lungs* among many other things. He wont be fully recovered until the autumn/winter. Of course JV team and sponsors are 'encouraging' him to be at as many races as possible for the rest of the year but his mere participation doesn't mean he will be the JV of 2023. Far from it.
Pogi’s goal should now be the first person to do the Giro-TdF double since Marco Pantani in 1999
What's bigger than winning the TDF? Wining the Tour and the Giro! if you have a rider in your team who can win the TDF only if he prepares only for this race, then it is wise that he does not participate in the Giro. But if you have Pogačar in your team who follows the highest challenges, then participating in both races is the right decision. Remember, Pogacar last year planned poker wins, Flandres, Amstel Gold, La fleche Vallonne and Liege Baston Liege, and TDF and more, this was his plan! How many riders do you know who can set such a goal? He did not quite succeed because he was exaggerating, but he learned something from that lesson, now he knows that Eddie's times are gone, this year he competes selectively, just like Remco and MvdP, the pioneers of modern selective cycle racing. To reduce the number of races will bring him more freshness and energy reserves for important races so he will not burnout as we saw last year and, consequently, this will bring him more resistance to heat, which is closely related to the burnout syndrome.
Maybe bigger in the eyes of cycling fans but, for the world, only TdF exists - a rider could win Giro, Vuelta, Worlds, a few monuments in the same season and non cycling just shrugs its shoulders and asks, "Did you win the TdF?" Hence, TdF swamps sponsorship, clicks, TV News
Pogacar should keep his race calendar just as it's! He don't need to change his calendar to focus on the Tour de France!
no worries. he isn't changing anything.
UAE is looking dominant this season and Pog is next level this year. Pog was competitive in the last tour after breaking his wrist. With a healthy season, Pog is showing his dominance
Thank god Pogacar doesn't think like you.
Pog should attempt the single season grand slam: all 3 grand tours, Olympic RR gold, and the World Championships,
Don't be daft
If he got all 3 grand tours he would be the GOAT. Not "one of the best of all times" like LA says but just the best there ever was and will be for a long time.
Got a long way to beat Eddy Merckx records
@@Csharpflat5 Merckx didn't have anywhere near the level of competition that Pogocar has.
If it wasn't for some other phenomenal cyclists like Vingegaard and MvDP, Pogacar would have been a 4 time TdF winner and a 7 time Monument winner (which would have included the 2022 RVV) by the age of 25.
Or even 8 times monument winner: remember that in 2020 he could have won LBL (the one Roglic won) already if not for the irregular maneuver of Alaphilippe which saw Hirschi and Pogacar lose balance and nearly crash.
Yeah because he’s off his head on whatever the epo modern equivalent is
It’s not possible to do what he’s doing
Boring pression with the Tour, STOP. Cycling is a lot more than the TdF ( by the way: he already won two). Tadej is a versatile, incredibly completed rider and WANT TO WIN ALL. His main next goals are World Championship, Olympics, Giro, Vuelta, Paris-Roubaix.
Guys, you are old. Your obsession with TDF is the giveaway 😏
Great show, and yes -- Too Many Crashes. You can't discuss every race, but I saw Chris Harper's crash in the Tour des Alpes live. Hard to watch. If something isn't done about it, we'll see another fatality sooner rather than later. Sorry to be Debbie Downer.
Agree
GCN has been discussing this. Philippa Yorke had some insight for them. There are numerous factors and statistics follow chaos mathematics with clusters and empty periods to mess up with mean, median, mode, normal distribution. More riders are fitter meaning bunches are bigger so more riders chasing the same space and riders behind can't see the badly parked motor bike. Disk brakes make for later braking. Aero positions have higher saddle and lower bars putting more weight on the front wheel. Pain killers let them ride but dull their senses. Steeper slopes up to separate riders with super bikes and 24 gears covering a wider range than, eg, 53*42 plays 12 * 28 mean steeper slopes down. There is more road furniture than in the past, etc. Then there's the general ethos or ambience of cycling that demands riders carry on when other sports would stop - exacerbated by amateurs getting some sort of vicarious pride in doing a tough sport because the pros are so tough. It becomes a bit like Rollerball and raises questions of the ethics of spectating it
if someone can win the Giro-Tour it's him.
Honestly the tour isn’t the only thing anymore. People aren’t looking at cycling the same way. The tour was devalued as more and more teams could just pay and pick their winner. It isn’t a reflection of the best rider anymore. It’s a good rider w the best team. The classics and other disciplines are becoming far more indicative of the best rider. I don’t think the riders think it’s as important as they used to either.
I for once disagree with Johan's insights. I don't think Pogacar will have a better chance to accomplish the double than this year given the lackluster competition at the Giro and the severe injuries x suffered by Vingegaard as Pogacar's only real nemesis at the Tour. Winning the Giro and the canTour in the same year will be a feat for the history books. Since Pantani (before Lance's first Tour) no has been able to pull it off and even highly era dominating cyclists such as Froome and Contador didn't succeed in their respective attempts, considering how demanding it is to stay healthy and keep that peak of form for so many weeks.
Best thing about this show - not the cycling but Americans chatting knowledgeably about Europe with cycling the topic but going way beyond just the cycling into cultures and subcultures
That would be insanely stupid!😂 Pogi will never have a bigger chance to win the both the Giro & the Tour in the same year. He has 99% chance of winning Giro d'Italia and he's also favorite for Tour de France because Vingegaard will not be in perfect shape.
is Vingegard even doing the Tour?...I kinda doubt it
@@ninnak-ve5ko Exactly! And even if Vingegaard participates, he will not be 100% so Pogacar is top favorite
Pogi is not that skinny, he's 68 kilos. Way more than a lot of climbers
He’s a bean pole
his upper body is very very skinny. His lower body is more solid.
He's 66kgs
no I think he is 63-65 kg, Johan mentioned that his coach plans him to be 63kg at peak
@@Lion-wd1px well he sure isn't 68kgs
you mean 1996 LBL not 2004 when LA was in Georgia?
If jb is right across the street why are you guys not together ?
Maybe they’re not that close? Maybe they don’t want to be together? Maybe they’re busy?
Because the show is on zoom, we need to be on different locations. Would be weird if LA and JB were shoulder to shoulder on we screen we think
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I think Pogacar is now targeting both Giro, Tour de France, plus Olympics gold medals this year.
If he thinks he is okay after de France / Olympics, I am sure he is gonna join the Vuelta a España as well.
Sorry to say but after the big crash, this is a big chance for him to risk himself but grabbing all trophies in his pocket in a single year.
I think the TdF really is the one race that matters above all else, but real cycling fans will always give the Giro a lot of love because that one is an incedible race in itself, perhaps the most beautiful and exiting race to watch. Will be nice to see Pogacar in maglia rosa.
If I were Jonas I would not ride the Tour, if I were being paid the same money, heal completely, your health out weighs your employer. You have alot of years to live after you’re unemployable.
This is my favorite race, although too bad we didn't have a good battle today for 1st place. But there's something atmospheric about it, the toughness, the quiet nature and unpredictable weather, and the starting field that's packed with classics riders and Tour contenders. Btw, the city Liège looks like an ugly industrial city from the outside, and it is, but it actually has quite a pretty city centre.
You guys ever have Johann Museeuw on?
It did not work out to have him on the podcast on that last trip, apologies.
Pog for the TRIPLE???? NEVER, EVER BEEN DONE.
Sorry but your wrong - tradition blah blah blah......... the TDF is amazing and is the highlight. However, the best thing about Pogacar is he is not afraid to be different and go after different aims. Be that monuments, Other tours, smaller races.
He could quite possibly be the most complete racer for some time. I would rather he completed the monument set, won all three grand tours, Various World Champs - attempted a Giro / TDF Double or god forbid the Triple and failed than cruise to a single TDF victory each year.
Is it just me or does Johan have a man crush on MVDP's dad Adri?
I know how I liked the Lance-Johan-George led USPS team but we need to see Pogi going in Giro-Tour-WorldChamp attemp 💪
It is impressive to what extent technology and science have developed: Thanks to the aerodynamic improvements, better tire technology, improved training, improved nutrition, etc., incredible performances have become possible even without doping.
I believe that Armstrong, Ullrich & Co. would like to ride today so that they can showcase their talent without doping.
Riders like Jens Voigt, Greg LeMond and Miguel Indurain, who have never doped, could boast even more these days.
PogArmstrong 🙌🏼👊🏼💪🏻❤
Pogi is saving cycling with his eclecticism and respect for the sport, after an american that knew only tdf made cycling the most un-trusted sport. sorry but this is kind of fact.
The truth is you do understand "how" these modern riders are generating the speeds they do. You might not understand the exact "method" but nobody is buying that 18 years ago every rider was on EPO, HGH and Steroids and the modern crop are faster than those riders because of wider tyres. It's laughable really, pro cycling is like pro-bodybuilding now.
They're faster because of disc brakes 😂
It’s a combination. Modern riders are doing proper nutrition and get the best tech, but they are probably microdosing with PEDs during training
Disc brakes and the ketones
you appear to know absolutely nothing about how training, diets, and measuring efforts has changed in the past 30 yrs. Its not the dam bikes.
@@TulaneAve Yes for sure it has changed and the equipment is better. It is understandable though, while i'm sure the big stars of today's cycling very talented and work super hard, that people are questioning certain exceptional performances also because of the past.
Sep Kuss will be Lease a Bikes lead rider at the tour. Jonas will win the Vuelta.
So......when the top riders and top Directeur Sportif from what is reported to be the most PED riddled moment in cycling history are evaluating current performances and using terms like "crazy, unheard of, unprecedented, never happens" what does it tell you?
We are watching the Michael Jordan of cycling.
That wou mean MvP is Kobe?
@@Thomas-mc5gq MVP is a pale shadow of Pog, no GT podium much less a win... and never will
@@Sills71 Rubbish. POG is the best allrounder right now. MvP is arguably the best one day specialist
Wins next year:
Strade Bianche
Milan - San Remo
Tour of Flanders
Paris-Roubaix
Amstel Gold Race
Liège-Bastogne-Liège
Eschborn-Frankfurt
giro
Tour de France
Vuelta
Lombardy tour
World Championship
It's a shame that Pogacar doesn't have a competitive cross bike etc. rides a mountain bike
answering the titles question, no, the best rider has to do his own calendar without taking into consideration anything but his form and objectives. Changing his calendar now will send the message that he feels inferior to Jonas, and the best rider can not "confess" that.
Cycling's version of Tiger Woods
If there ever was a year to do the Giro / Tour double this would be it .... all Pogacars main rivals are questionable for being either at the tour at all or 100% ready for the Tour should they line up. Jonas is in big trouble , Remco has no track record in France and I dont think can hang with Pogi for 3 weeks with high mountains and as much as I love Primoz , I'm afraid Pogacar can beat him no matter what.
Hi gentlemen, am I the only one who thinks that Tadej is completely doped... And do you think that it is normal that Mauro Gianetti is CEO from UAE and someone like Matxin is Pogacar's personal coach... While we all know that everything about these both gentlemen has been about doping for their entire lifes ?
Gianetti caught on using EPO himself in the past... And Matxin who only worked at teams where riders where doped. (Mapei with Museeuw and Bartoli etc etc etc.) And they both worked together at Saunier Duval where Piepoli, Cobo Acebo, Ricardo Rico and Iban Mayo raced to name just a few of the doped riders..
They all are doped...Lance getting kicked out losing all his stuff..fr.what...when they all are doing drugs...give me a freakin break.
I don’t think you are the only one. Lance likely thinks they are doping now too, but it’s in his and many’s best interest to keep the money train rolling.
The old saunier Duval crew back together again😂
i like bardet a lot more that he came down his high horse from his tdf contender days
Jonas has proven over 2-3 years that he is at a different level than Pogi at TDF, so stop prentending that Jonas is not the greatest GC rider
Thats whats sad about that crash, it robbed us of a great match up
dominance without resistance, boring
what a dope show!!
Lance: give Poggy few advices how to dope and he will win all races in season 😂😂😂
Almost certainly, 'No'. With Vin out and a relatively weak Giro, he can win Giro without over-stretching himself and win TdF even if Vin there as Vin will lack condition. Also, he just seems to like racing everywhere
These guys have better drugs than y'all did....
Trust the science.
Stop yapping about the tour.
In piemontese i would say to lance Armstrong: ma fate fürb
Lance tell us what Pogacar is on.
google "potica pastry" brother .. slovenian walnut powah 😂
@@kalo_reefer My favourite is with almonds.
Pogi wins 7/10 races but it should have been 7/12.
Pog won his first 2 TDF with some "baby fat", he''s, I would bet, a couple of kilo's lighter now.
crazy syringes Armstrong
Drugs motors and even alcohol for alaph 🎪💉🤫🤐🤣
worst youtube channel ever! Pogacar must do Giro! He is a legend not like danish guy that did 3 week in 365 days races
To your title question--sure, but realistically, with Pogi? I doubt it.
Thanks for being considered irrelevant from germany ;-)
Daddy Van Der Poel end his pigeon pie
I can’t believe anyone actually watches this crap
It’s like going to school with Gary glitter as your teacher
No.
I think johan knows what’s he’s talking about seeing as he directed one of best cycling teams in the world pogi should skip the giro and focus on the tour average cycling fans don’t care who wins the giro just as Jonas shouldn’t have almost killed himself in the tour of the basque now has to probably miss the tour! Most people don’t care who wins Basque Country it’s all about the big dog ie the Tour!
Yes, you’re right. People that don’t care about cycling or don’t know much about its history only know the Tour de France. . Even more reason not to focus only on the Tour! And just focusing on one race seems way too risky with all the crashes these days. (see Wout v Aert)
No cyclist will ever win all three Tours in a single year.
I ll come back to this comment
Liar Liar talking again… who cares…
Hes no dope!