New German Super Tank - KF51 Panther
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KF51 Panther has been first shown to the public on Eurosatory 2022, with the new main gun, the 130mm Rheinmetall gun. Today we take a look at this new wonder of technology.
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I prefere to call T-14 "Atrapa" which stands for "Dummy" in polish ;)
I like how the ad is shorter now, the timing is right and is the perfect tidbit to imprint the branding without getting distracted from the main topic. Keep up the good work sir! I'm a fan!
What is the name of the background music you are using?
Say can they put this on a US made M1?
3:20 to me it's like the merkava mk4 with its. 60 mm mortar that it's main job was firing smoke rounds or suppressing dug-in infantry anti-tank teams with HE mortar fire.... To me that system was reactive AT team system... The loitering munitions coupled with a drone is a proactive anti-tank team system.
Just say you're in the area that you know is going to be contested you can use the drones to spot AT teams and then use the loitering munitions to accurately target the team. At least that's what I think there going for here.
The rheinmetall CEO personally stated that the hull is not from the leopard and only re-uses components such as the transmission engine and roadwheels
There's a lot of confusion on this point for sure.
@@marcelthevirginian1656 More like: A lot of people making stuff up just to have more words in their articles. Noone from Rheinmetall ever stated that it's on the Leopard's 2 hull.
Lol no that's 100% a Leo hull
@@grandayatollah5655 Source?
@@zaid1169 source was probably just his own opinion lol
I think having a 7,62mm Natter has the advantage of being able to store a significant amount of ammunition.
The Natter has 2.500 rounds of 7,62mm, the coaxial 12,7mm only 250 rounds.
Well yes but what you need is a heavy hitter not something that would feel like 22 caliber, because with our modern technology that allows us to literaly lead on a targets we can be much more accurete with big and slow firing weapons firing slower heavier but deadlier projectiles with much greater probability for a hit. In the past we needed smaller easier to controll caliber weapons that fire quick a lot of projectiles in order to increase hit probability becaue we couldnt hit sh*t with the heavy slow firing ones but now its different, the hit probability of heavier weapons has increased drasticly.
Take the 30mm cannons on the me262 for example threy were like potato launchers, compare that to the gau-8 from thr a10 warthog.
I am skeptical about the claim that there are 2500 rounds of ready ammunition. When you look up the webpage for the Natter gun system itself on Rheinmetall's page, there they say it is 250 rounds and the ammo box on the Panther's Natter certainly does not look 10 times bigger.
Maybe it is just a typo.
I'm fairly certain both 12.7 and 7.62 Natter's are compatible. As they seem to be fairly modular.
@@Silver_Prussian it depends on what kind of drones you're trying to lead. If it's the off the shelf Chinese dji drones that infantry in Ukraine have been throwing out for short range recon, you'll be burning a lot of ammo. These things move like hummingbirds.
If the natter were mounted on an extendible boom, able to reach skyward about 2 meters higher when needed, I would agree. Especially for berm drills, general observation when in full defilade, and engaging close troops hiding behind walled compounds in dense urban/suburban terrain (peeking over the walls as you drive through streets). But without that ability, I would prefer the cover-shredding punch of a .50
I believe the 4th crew station will be used to operate 'Loyal Wingman' Style unmanned armored vehicles.
I think more likely they will operate loitering munitions since the tank has a launcher for them. Thus every tank will have some artillery capability.
loyal tank actually. and yes some other options too.
@@WellBattle6 We shell see if that sticks around. Even if he stay as "radio operator", it would be nice to have him as part of crew.
That is an interesting point and makes totally sense
Rheinmetall has bought shares in Milrem Robotics. The 'Loyal Wingman' is the Milrem Type-X.
The fast auto loader is also able to unload a projectile and load a more fitting one which is a very nice to have feature in my opinion
Huge advantage in a computer game, not so much in real life as part of a tank battlion rolling across the countryside.
@@georgedang449 There is quite a difference between HE and APFSDS shells.
@@georgedang449 How isnt this an advantage irl? You run APFSDS to get the first shot against a tank, but then you see some dudes behind a wall. What do you do? Just waste your APFSDS? With only 20 shells overall? To unload it is a huge advantage.
@@Senekha86 Exactly, game scenario.
@George Dang 😂 Yeah a "game scenario" that happens in Ukraine every day now!!
Germany: ramping up it's military budget.
Germany: rearming the military.
Germany: building new cutting edge tanks, names them after cats.
Poland, Belgium and France: *sweating profusely
No need to worry, this time next year we won´t have any gasoline.
France might not be sweating but its defense industry sure is
hehe no britain to save them now
Also it's called a Panther, I'm no genius but that name sounds vaguely familiar.
Breaks open Churchill toom which reads wake me when you need me
T-14 : "finally a new worthy modern opponent , the 5star keyboard generals battle will be legendary"
correct.
T-84 Oplot T-64BM "Need ally that can defeat T-14 Armata T-90M since we lack the modern ammo to defeat them".
@@EpicThe112 lol they are surely in the heaven and playing War Thunder with Jesus since February 24th
It has already begun my friend on the original rhinemetal video
If they manage to bring these to actual serial production they already beat the T-14
@@luckyjalyt Germany:makes 4 tanks
Russia: well they beat us
the MTU engine is good, well tested and has all the logistics already in place. Which is an argument for potential customers.
and multi fuel not just diesel.
@@wekker090 It's a diesel engine. Just because the thing is fairly forgiving when it comes to fuel mixtures doesn't make it a multifuel engine. I don't quite get why eryone is so obsessed with this completely useless "capability". If you can't get enough diesel to your tanks you can't get enough of any other fuel to them either. And if you have to "live of the land", well than there is one fuel you will find basically everywhere - diesel.
@@vuesch wel if you put 95 octane gasolie in a normal diesel it would die in minutes.. this does not.
@@wekker090 its no turbine engine so its not a true multi fuel.
@@casematecardinal man it runs on candle wax. Been there done that.
I think the main thing about this tank is that it is not just an incremental improvement over an existing tank, which is what the west has been doing for the last 30-40 years, but it is a clear step change from Leopard the same way as Armata is a step change from old Russian tanks.
It only has 20main gun rounds. Seems like that’ll be used up rly quick.
@@RainedOnParade I’d rather go back to resupply twice as often than blow up because my whole tank is filled up with ammo
@@Alex-qm7wd true but NATO standard is 40 to 30 rounds I rather have more ammo capacity with blast panels but resupplying isn't easy under combat
@@RainedOnParade i has 30 rounds, 20 ready in autoloader and 10 waiting to reload in tank
Yet Armata ended up being a fucking tractor just like the previous T series tanks. It would last two seconds against Leo 2A7 let alone the Panther.
we already know that the hull is not the final design yet! the hull is still based on the Leo 2 hull, but that is made by KMW (competition). according the Rheinmetall ceo the kf51 will be ready for mass production in 2024 when the new hull design is finished
same as turret too
Well lets do not trust about ( 2024 )
estimation,, we have seen russian claimed that T14 be ready in 2020, but look what has been done today?
Things wont go accordingly to plan like any military project, lets just wait and see
I don't see how the belly can protect from large IED's, this plays huge role in UA vs RU this days... they should look what Merkava MK4 has under...
IDK, this looks too much like concept design that can't be really used in the final product, also they should add something against slippering on the wet tank when walking on top
@@hwgeek86 probably a v hull or similar system. Rheinmetall does have enough experience with mine protection and i assume that also extends to ieds. besides there are jamming vehicles available that simply prevent remote detonation of ieds
T-14 armata is better... remote turret.
Finally, the Panther 3
Took a few decades of development
Couldn't you say this is the real panther 2 since the original was never completed or whatever the case with it is?
@@chiefturion7134 The real panther 2 has already a hull made irl for it just not the turret, so it's already been halfy made, so this has to be the panther 3 cause 2 was pmuch already set for production in its form
nice
Still waiting for the next tiger as well.
At first I was really critical of the low ammo count. But I feel like the arrangement seen in the rear of the Turret will allow some quick reloading with dedicated logistical systems.
The Loitering ammunition is an amazing tool because it allows the tank to spot ahead in the area it is engaging. On top of that it has been seen on Ukraine that artillery is a very relevant threat. An MBT force having the chance to organically utilize loitering munitions to scout and engage hostile forces at ranges of several dozen kilometers is just a nobrainer.
It is integrated into the tank, because the modern battlefields can be rather dynamic and having this ability gives the crew (especially with 4 members) enhanced situational awareness or additional selfdefense/attack capabilities coordinated within this MBT System. Coordinating this with a single loitering munition support vehicle would create a need for communication, reduce availability because those would be shared among the company and also make the system reliant on another asset for a very crucial capability. It is worth mentioning that these HERO loitering munitions can be reused if they are not hitting a target and can return in time.
Regarding the 4th crew member I wont get tired of mentioning that the tank is not just operated during combat. Maintenance/Observation and several other tasks are very demanding for a 3 person crew. Four crew members just reduce fatigue and raise situational awareness over the time.
We are still far away from automatization of maintenance/logistics/maneuver. There is still a lot of work to share so this is very good.
Thats my thoughts so far on this. I think people underestimate how serious Rheinmetall is about exporting this. I am looking forward on seeing how this performs.
loitering ammunitions proved to be not effective in ukraine. drones for surveillance and reconnaissance could be nice tho.
So far we have only seen one type of loitering munition in action in Ukraine (Switchblade 300) that is way smaller than the Hero ammunition intended for KF51. Those are not really comparable.
I think that the loitering munition, is a direct response to the Ukrainian/Russian war. Seeing how the conflict has demonstrated how effective modern AT systems are.
Nur der KSC
You do seem to be quite knowledgeable on these topics. May I ask you the favor of briefly explaining why did they slope the lower front turret armor to seemingly become a "bullet trap", potentially leading inertial projectiles towards the turret base?
I think the 7,62mm. rcws is meant to counter reengineered civillian drones which scout the area or drop IEDs, like the ones often seen in Ukraine.
If you're up against a serious drone, a 12,7mm. also wouldn't be enough unless the pilot accidently gets way too close.
20mm. - 30mm. airburst or a SAM paired with a radar is more like it if you really want to be protected and I think their vision is to have a dedicated system like this cover the tanks.
Yeah, imo i think armored warfare begins to mirror naval warfare. Tanks, with more advanced ifvs and support vehicles like AA to screen like destroyers do a cruiser, aps systems to cover, loitering munitions etc
What's the logic behind 20mm or 30mm? That would be a rather heavy system, and wouldn't be more effective than just mounting missiles.
@@werrkowalski2985 you probably can more easily add ammunition. A 20 or 30mm autocannon is really heavy, but increasing the ammunition capacity takes less space than increasing missile capacity. As well as that, depending on the missile used, it can be more versatile, especially against infantry, as you basically have an IFV gun mounted on your tank. A 30mm autocannon with HE would make short work of any infantry cover, and the high angles of elevation probably could help in an urban enviorment.
How about those drones that the tank is supposed to carry? A cheap kamikaze drone could be a good option to take out expensive enemy drones even at high altitude.
a 20mm isn't space efficient. and most that have utilized one dont work. your best shot would be a tandem system with some form of agl with airburst multi purpose rounds and a 12.7 which has superior velocities for other targets.
7:30 APS does not entirely "destroy" APFSDS. You absolutely still need solid base armour behind it.
A good result of an APS hit against an APFSDS projectile might wobble and begin to shatter it in such a way that it loses perhaps 1/3 to 1/2 of its penetration.
It degrades penetration to such point that lighter armor is still efective.
@@viceralman8450 If 130mm rounds performs 50% better, then the armor would need to be at least as good to have a chance against peer weapons. Leo2A7 hull armor already is insufficient against any modern round or ATGM.
@@sapphyrus The trick is it will never face itself.
@@viceralman8450 It'll face peers to defeat it, assuming it'll only be used against cavemen is how these end blowing up in a half-serious conflict with ATGMs or newer rounds.
@@sapphyrus For ATGMS is the hard kill APS, and those how possibly face it have smaller canon or worse proyectiles so for now is more than enough.
It should be noted that Germany is big into Insensitive Munitions, so there would be little risk to storing ammo in the hull if you can choose a hill ammo rack. It would be unlikely to blow up even if it receives a direct hit.
There're always blowout panels even if they cook off
@@user-njyzcip blowout pannels aren't perfect but yes they do help
What about today's missed systems hitting tanks from the top...
@@anthonyallencabrera no one from the NATO potential opponents have those systems
@@anthonyallencabrera it has a anti top attack system
They can fit much more explosives in the dedicated round for structures, and the extra crewman spot is probably for future integration of additional tasks like drones.
top much explosiv is bad just look at american made tank the britisch called it tommy cooker
Shermans had the lowest burn rate and casualty rate of all WWII tanks even before they got wet stowage.
@@heidi_bavarian1725 no one ever called the m4 a Tommy cooker. besides it was the British's fault for overloading on ammo
@@casematecardinal Nope the M4 get the nickname in theater of Africa were 80% of destroyed M4 get a "brew up" (that wasnt immiadetly most time Crew had the Chance to left cause ammonition need time to brew up) in west Europe the cases of brew ups going down to 60% cause adding more wet storage and putting more ammo on the bottom storage. An other Term Axis Soldiers use for the M4 was Zippo Tank (not refering to the Zippo version)
And Griffin Faulkner is simply wrong...
@@greatknarloc9835 he is partially correct. It did have a lower burn rate than most tanks. And one of the lowest casualty rates overall, only beat by the Churchill and personally I maintain that is only because of how few Churchill tanks there were in comparison and their role on the battlefield. You need to realize that even when the British were putting too much ammo around their tanks, the burn rate of the shermans wasn't any higher than that of say the panzer 4 or early t34. However after the ammo was relocated to under the turret, its burn rate dropped drastically and it tended to burn less than its counterparts.
A drone operator is honestly a great idea. Having someone INSIDE the tank able to feed the crew real time information from above of the positions of enemy forces would be a massive advantage, as currently you'd have to rely on a separate man to spot things with the drone, and then tell you over the radio. This person is also more exposed as they'd probably would be sat somewhere outside or in cover, and would have to constantly move to ensure they dont lose signal with the drone (as the tank gets further and further away from them).
This could genuinely be a game changer for tanks, as all of a sudden the tactic of hiding in bushes, behind fences, etc and waiting for it to pass by so you can get a side shot is no longer feasible.
I honestly don't see that much benefit from the drone operator talking to the tank commander via intercom or secure radio. Fine, could in principle jam the radio, which would make that useless, but if the enemy has the ability to jam, then they'd most likely can also jam the drone controls anyway making any drone useless.
The drones have a range of kilometres, so the drone controller doesn't have to be that close to the tank to be useful. In any case infantry should follow the tank in any case. Sending tanks in without infantry support is likely to be as dangerous in the future as it is now, drones or not.
next new german tank is going to be called 'tiger' isnt it
I could see a platoon of 4 tanks with 3 tanks having all 20 ready rounds and 1 tank having the loitering munition.
Why not just add a support loitering ammo carrier light vehicle at company level?
@@vj2345 that works. So let try thinking a little more, every country that buys the Panther has the option to configure this thing however it wants and create new tactics, the 3+1 example I gave is just that, it could be that only 1 tank per company gets the loitering munition. The posibilites exist it is up to the armies to decide what they want.
@@vj2345 There are some cases where weapons or utilities are best on a tank chassis, in order to form part of a larger group and have similar mobility, defense, etc
You mean 1 KF51 Panther equipped with Switchblade launcher. That one KF51 can use its Switchblade 600 type Kamikaze Drone to defeat a T-14 Armata Afghanit APS since Afghanit APS can stop a 13cm shell. This should give Ukraine an advantage if they want KF51 Panther tanks too provided Russian Army wanted T-14 Armata in Ukraine
I really dislike loitering munition. Why not just put ATGM like Spike NLOS? That more useful imo.
Anyway, i prefer to have additional drone than loitering munition. Or cheap missile that can be used as infantry fire support or ATGM.
God I love how every video on any leopard2 version always features footage from the Danish Army Leopards.. Fills me with alittle national pride every time :D
Denmark is a joke. There should be more Finnish leopard video
@@alekssandrz7694 Well maybe you should ask the Finns to make some videos worth using then... As for the joke thing. Well opions differ . We might not be the biggest power in Europe. But we have been with our allies in any conflict in the last 30 years from Iraq/Afghanistan to Syria to Yugoslavia. We have a 800 men strong battalion in Latvia right now. We participate when needed! You have to atleast respect that we are not afraid to do our part despite the size of our country.
@@clausjensen5658 we have 900,000 strong reserves in Finland and we beat the Soviet Union. So Finland is better than Denmark, period.
@@alekssandrz7694 lol Denmark has a bigger population than Finland , how many potential reservist do you think we have then ? It´s true that you are perhaps more war ready than most countries, and your army is bigger , but have a little respect. Using your ww2 history as a reason is like me using the Viking age to state that Denmark is better than the UK . Or that fact that we "own" Greenland to say we are the biggest country in Europe. And yes I can agree that Finland military powerwise is bigger than ours , but show some respect for your future allies. Calling us a joke , when we have done our part , in all nato missions and UN missions the last 30 years is a bit disrespectful.
@@clausjensen5658 Vikings feared Finnish people. So even in that era Finland wins. And yes we are the only country in Europe that can own Russia in case of invasion.
It is impossible for the Panther to kill any Armata. Because the Artamas have already broken down halfway way to the battlefield
Hahahaha. You think they would sent them into a battlefield.
The armata is like napoleons old guard putins pride and joy but only used if things get real desperate like at waterloo
You just show us how easy thinking you are. There was just one accident where armata stopped at the parade.
But in reality driver accidentally press the button that automatically made armata stop. That's all
And then stolen by an enterprising farmer
@@jaroslavdudas7227 It doesn't really matter what happened, because Armata is not relevant. There's like 20 of them and more won't be built. It's a dead project.
Yessss, have been waiting for this since the release vid!
Same here!!! Yessss!!!😃😃👏👏👏
The Panther is the first of its kind: a radically new main battle tank concept whose development has not been constrained by yesterday's technologies. Drawing on some of the latest technological approaches, the Panther was designed from the ground up to cover the following aspects: ua-cam.com/video/fTBA5tQsDbE/v-deo.html
Maximum effect on the battlefield combined with a
survivability concept and through a
fully digitized NGVA data backbone that connects to
Next generation usability and automation.
This allows for crew reduction and paves the way for unmanned turret options and man-machine teaming.
Highly effective
The 130 mm Future Gun System (FGS) developed by Rheinmetall and the optimized sensor shooter network ensure fast combat and a high degree of effectiveness on the target.
Excellent protection
The first main battle tank to use an integrated survival concept with sensors on and off the platform, as well as active, reactive and passive protection technologies and a special protection system against attacks from above (Top Attack).
Fully digitized
The Panther is the first main battle tank based on a digital architecture that conforms to the NGVA standard. This is the most important requirement for future decision support and automation systems
Clicking on this teaser takes you to the external UA-cam website. The provider UA-cam/Google (USA) is responsible for the processing of your data that takes place there.
effect on target
The Panther fulfills the core ability "Dominate and Destroy". With the Rheinmetall Future Gun System, consisting of a 130 mm cannon, a fully automatic ammunition feed system and additional armament options such as the HERO 120 loitering ammunition, the Panther has concentrated firepower for superior effectiveness at long ranges and when fighting multiple targets.
Rarely has the sheer power of a main battle tank gun been so impressive. The Future Gun System developed by Rheinmetall enables a 50 percent longer range (than 120 mm) with an unrivaled high cadence thanks to the autoloader. A 12.7mm coaxial machine gun complements the main weapon system. Multiple Remote Controlled Weapon Station (RCWS) integration options provide flexibility for close-in defense and counter-drone operations. The optional HERO 120 loitering ammo extends the Panther's ability to attack targets out of direct line of sight. Depending on the role and application requirements, an LM starter can be fitted.
All weapons are linked to the target optics and fire control computer via the fully digitized architecture, enabling 'hunter-killer' and 'killer-killer' procedures, seamless target engagement and future AI decision support.
survivability
The Panther has a groundbreaking, fully integrated, comprehensive and weight-optimized survival concept. In addition to classic measures, the Panther's digital architecture enables survivability on board and off the vehicle, with active, reactive and passive protection technologies.
The Panther comes equipped with a Pre-Shot Detection ability, allowing it to strike first. Threats from above are repelled by the Rheinmetall TAPS (Top Attack Protection System). The ROSY rapid smoke protection system is part of the survival system, which is fully integrated into the digitized architecture and enables additional defensive measures. The standout feature of survivability is undoubtedly the active KE protection, which increases the level of protection without sacrificing system weight.
As a system designed for use in a competitive electromagnetic spectrum, the Panther is fully cyber-hardened.
Reactive and passive protection
Sensor-based reactive system
passive protection
Active protection
Protection against KE mass ammunition
Protection against ATGM
ROSY rapid fog protection system
Top Attack Protection System (TAPS)
mine protection
Rheinmetall drones
Pre-shot detection capability
mobility
The operating weight of only 59 tons offers far greater mobility than current systems can offer. This makes the Panther one of the most powerful systems and fits into the AMovP-4L tunnel profile without preparation - a requirement that no current main battle tank meets. Consequently, the Panther excels in tactical and strategic mobility.
Combat weight: < 50 t
Range: > 500 km
Fits in the tunnel profile AMovP-4L
The concept
The Panther is a truly software-defined tank, fully capable of gathering, processing, and distributing intelligence on the multidomain battlefield. The integration of modern BMS and software-defined communication systems enables to ask?
I’m hoping the project goes well. This is Germany we’re talking about but new and groundbreaking stuff carries a risk. Indeed. When you break new ground, you don't know what's underneath.
Edit: Got wrecked by facts and logic. Imma go sit in the dunce corner
Edit edit: I think the embers of a flame war may be warming up soon…
Edit edit edit: Yep. It’s happened.
Not that groundbreaking. Most systems have been around for years, just not activly fielded. like the HEL system, drones and the natter as well as the APS. what's new here is mostly everything being integrated not just an upgrade package.
Your factorys wont have electricity to produce that tank. It will be fun to see germans drinking water from toilets and washing under 2min..... I just quote Habeck dont blame me.
@@gavrilo46 Smartest Russian
@Dave well mama Merkel was not the best for germany. But you wached Habecks video where he want to live in world where he can drink wather from toilets..... Well that is game over for germany. You dont need Russia to invade you when you have Habeck and annalena. 2 min shower and no heating is like African standard. And whit no oil well Flintstones. Eve if you build that tank you must push it to battlefield. I fell sorry for germans.
@@esanahka9284 reality. No gasoline and you must push it to battlefield. No gas and you cant shower longer then 2 min. I didnt vote for Annalena.
Those loitering munitions or dedicated drone tank wingman and direct energy weapons really push this tank into the next generation, and in my opinion it makes it the first next generation tank. The loitering munitions are definitely thr key note here dramatically increasing situational awareness and protection against infantry and flanking armor both, allowing this vehicle to engage multiple targets at different angles.
loitering munitions is a suicidal drone not for surveillance and reconnaissance and proved to be uneffective in ukraine, the second ones are useful.
Really how much bias can you shit out. T-14 did way better on innovation and yet this is next gen tech. Lol
@@hp2084 didnt t-14 have mechanical problems?, and it has been constantly delayed, it seems pretty shit tbh
@@danielyasin5054 Do you think before your type or this is just your brain fart?
@@hp2084 classic, resort to insults
Wow. Now I really have want one of those. Plus, the details about this tank really made me impressed. Probably the best tank that Germany made, but there is going to be changes to this boy, so I guess we wait and see. I could say, this beast is very good.
Of course, they are taking feedback from interested parties, and make changes accordingly.
after 75 years of waiting there is finally panther 3
I absolutely love the tank, and the 4th member could definetely be a selling point for some countries (like we saw in america in the past)
Idk I don’t see america getting a foreign tank, even if they’re looking to expand their tank force rather than replace it (we all know they aren’t replacing the abrams)
@@voiden3338 i didnt say that, i just said that one crew member can sell a tank for some nations because theyre not ready to give up that one member
@@calli9144 Most experienced tankers think the fourth guy has alot of use. Nevermind in combat, outside of combat, doing maintenance, pulling security, extra set of eyes etc.
All I'm hearing is _Paladin tank, in the field. Preserving freedom_
Without laser's
"we don't know whether or not the Panther would be able to penetrate an Armata"
Unless the Armata has Nera components that could break such a long penetrator i don't see how a 45 ton vehicle could stop that.
50% performance increase for the 130mm gun would mean 1500mm penetration steel equivalent. (DM 63 from 120L55 has ~1000mm penetration at 1000m if i remember correctly)
To be fair, doesnt matter if it can be penetrated or not considering the Armata is literally just a show tank at this point
Its important to remember that Armatas turret is very lightly armored on the level of some ifvs so that already takes big portion of weight away from the tank, majority of armor is placed in front of hull so i thing depending what type of composites they used its plausible that it can actually stop 130mm also they place their magical ERA Relict on this thing so this also saves weight.
@@jPlanerv2 You're right then it comes down to who see and accurately shot first, because if you can just shot at the turret of t-14, the tank will obviously become useless.
@@Graczent.D Show Tank Like this one, Germany never gona adopt this Tank, why ?
No Money
@@kthec1298 I would love to argue but stupidity cant be argued with.
Good to see my favourite tank of all time back on the battlefield the mighty PANTHER.
It's also fully digitalised with each crew member being able to do the job of every other crew member form his station. I think that is quite overlooked and what they mean when they say it is going to be remotely operational in the future, technically it should be now but they are probably working on not just the ability to do it but the ability to do it realistically.
I didn't know that. That's a huge point.
Yeah this is a huge point. Was confused as to why it was ommitted in the video
How exactly did they make it so taht the gunner drive the tank tho?
Unless the Russians jam the electronics
@@Mkvine from what i read and heared, every Panther is fully protected against jam attacks or electronic attacks from the outside
You could always hang bratwurst and sauerkraut in the 4th crewmembers place.
The difference in firepower from 120mm to 130mm is dramatic.
There's no (frontal) tank armor in the world that could stop the long rod penetrator projectile of the 130mm at effective combat ranges.
So yes, it most definitely can destroy the Armata.
I mean, +50% kinetic performance not compared to the still widely used 120mm L44 gun, but in fact the already significantly stronger 120mm *L55* gun, that's just absolutely huge.
Armata has a variant with a 152mm cannon.
@@vladimirnikolskiy
Yea on paper.
All Armata that have been built just have the old standard 125 mm gun.
Damn 6:18 i thought it was a star destoryer hahaha
6:17
Deadass thought that was a star destroyer
cant wait to see someone leaking a classified document of this tank for war thunder
Panther KF51 motto: Life is like France, you have to go through it.
Having a dedicated drone operator inside the tank, who can instantly talk to all his crewmates, who sees the entire battlefield from above with every tank, every car, every enemy and every other hot thing completely marked in white must be such an advantage.
You always know where everything is exactly, nothing can hide from you and you can wait for the perfect moment to strike.
We've seen so many russian tanks get blown up because they didn't see some guy in the bushes with a Panzerfaust. If the russians had a drone in the sky that was checking everything with infrared, and the operator was with the others inside the tank, none of this would happen. Thank god the russians don't have that.
Ww2 logic.
Every crew member on any mbt in the past 40years has a personal radio.
Issuing commands, orders or getting orders is the job of the commander.
A radio operator hasn’t been needed since 1955. It’s should be needed in 2022
@The God of J's last I recall you could read
Maybe a mixed platoon. 1 with drone. 1 with rockets. 2 without. Company and battalion staff tank has both drone and rockets. What do you think ?
@@dotnask0001 wat? Radio operator?
What are you on about?
Learn to read, it says "D R O N E" operator.
Someone in the tank you can discuss strategy with, who sees the entire battlefield from above in infrared, literal gods eye in the sky.
How the fuck would that be useless? You don't discuss small scale individual strategy over radio and you can't point to details over radio either.
You made a really stupid comment.
@@Whatisthisstupidfinghandle yeeeees thats a very interesting way to look at it, combined arms warfare at its peak, maybe the command vehicle is the one with the drones and it would work perfectly with the Bundeswehrs IDZ (transl. infatry of the future) system that is already implemented in the puma
Perfect timing, get to watch this on my lunch break
From what i see it can be safely assumed it has the potential to be the best in the world.
Great video, I agree as you mentioned having support vehicles for reconnaissance indirect fire support and counter drone or air-defense makes much more sense than having them in a MBT which main role puts it in the direct line of sight of the enemy on the battle field. Non of the capabilities mentioned need to be at the very front where the tank will be. Good data link and battle management system connected to support vehicles would make more sense. The Drone capability looks to be gimmick and the 4th crew member also does not make sense with the Auto loader and I think Rheinmetall knows this making them optional. But without them the tank is a Leo2 chassis with a up gunned up armored Lecre turret which is totally fine but would look boring from a marketing perspective.
Finally I was really looking forward to your take.
Looks very futuristic
I think the KF51 needs to be regarded more as a technology demonstrator rather than an actual tank. It's Rheinmetall trying to signal to Europe (and mostly France and Germany) that they are ready to and capable of developing a next generation tank with serious upgrades that make it not just more capable but enticing economically as well. It's likely that everything seen in it will end up as part of the EMBT but in order for that to happen Rheinmetall needed to show that they're able to undertake this project, hence why they made this prototype.
Actually they are doing the same thing as with the Lynx.
The Panther will be ready for mass production in less than 3 years, the same mount of time it took for the Lynx to go from technology demonstrator to production.
They already have all the technologies, all they have to do is set up a production line, build tanks and run tests. It is meant for export, just like the Lynx. It is not meant to compete with the EMBT internally, just like the Lynx doesn't compete against the Puma.
@@scratchy996 seriously it’s only a pure demonstrator and the CEO absolutely want to sell this tank, that’s why he said they will need only 3 years, but it’s actually impossible to develop an entire and effective tank with a such little amount of time. This tank is just a cheap upgrade of the leopard 2, when you look at it from all aspects, there is a ton of problem, the size of the turret, the weight, the lack of sensors, the autoloader itself… it’s like the cyber truck of Tesla but without the live resistance test…
@@ptranchand52 The developed the Lynx in that amount of time.
They already have all the components available. It's just a matter of testing them together and preparing an assembly line.
@@ptranchand52 Rheinmetall has many decades of experience in combat vehicle development. I'm sure they've been developing this for several years, the 130mm cannon with the loading system is a ready-made project, for which a suitable vehicle is being designed.
Many parts of the KF51 are the same as the parts in the leopard2 (engine, transmission, chassis parts...), and many parts and solutions (IT system, strikeshield...) are the same as the KF41, which is already in series production! Integrating the hero120 drone into a combat vehicle is also an existing solution. So they didn't start the development from scratch, and not today!
Armata will be earlier in War Thunder than in mass production, or in any way working condition :D
Heron is for beyond visual battle. For example, when a AWACS reports armoured vehicles behind a forrest or hill, the Heron can attack directly, without any danger for the Panther. It's a buddy in the air.
I love the idea of the 4th crew station, for future force structure. I am in the slow process, of attempting to develop, the theoretical base for a new type of company, where flexibility will be key.
Having own recon drones is a great idea in tanks, one of the issues with tanks were always their visual awareness. Like, they are pretty mutch blind, even with their thermal sights etc. The 130mm gun is a great addition. The top mounted 7.62 makes no sense to me, mount a 12.7 or even 20mm etc. (if designed with anti-drone capabilities in mind, give it proxy fuse ammo) Tho one issue is still remains to me... how the tank gonna detect enemy drones? As I mentioned, they are pretty mutch blind and no radars etc. are installed. The APS also a great idea, but having a great base armor in addition is always good if the APS fails. About top attack protection... well... not bad, but not great either. Mostly NATO uses top attack ATGMS etc.
Enemy drones are likely to be detected by supporting attached units, a tank is useless alone afterall. Also top attack is pretty much the best way for ATGMs (top armour will always be the weakest), so more modern Non-Nato ATGMs will most likely include it in the future as well.
I quickly see them opting out of the drone/missile pod and making it additional ammo storage. Otherwise some very interesting options. Plus its not totally hideous like other new armor pieces.
I like it
Nice...been waiting for this!
The Panther is the first of its kind: a radically new main battle tank concept whose development has not been constrained by yesterday's technologies. Drawing on some of the latest technological approaches, the Panther was designed from the ground up to cover the following aspects: ua-cam.com/video/fTBA5tQsDbE/v-deo.html
Maximum effect on the battlefield combined with a
survivability concept and through a
fully digitized NGVA data backbone that connects to
Next generation usability and automation.
This allows for crew reduction and paves the way for unmanned turret options and man-machine teaming.
Highly effective
The 130 mm Future Gun System (FGS) developed by Rheinmetall and the optimized sensor shooter network ensure fast combat and a high degree of effectiveness on the target.
Excellent protection
The first main battle tank to use an integrated survival concept with sensors on and off the platform, as well as active, reactive and passive protection technologies and a special protection system against attacks from above (Top Attack).
Fully digitized
The Panther is the first main battle tank based on a digital architecture that conforms to the NGVA standard. This is the most important requirement for future decision support and automation systems
Clicking on this teaser takes you to the external UA-cam website. The provider UA-cam/Google (USA) is responsible for the processing of your data that takes place there.
effect on target
The Panther fulfills the core ability "Dominate and Destroy". With the Rheinmetall Future Gun System, consisting of a 130 mm cannon, a fully automatic ammunition feed system and additional armament options such as the HERO 120 loitering ammunition, the Panther has concentrated firepower for superior effectiveness at long ranges and when fighting multiple targets.
Rarely has the sheer power of a main battle tank gun been so impressive. The Future Gun System developed by Rheinmetall enables a 50 percent longer range (than 120 mm) with an unrivaled high cadence thanks to the autoloader. A 12.7mm coaxial machine gun complements the main weapon system. Multiple Remote Controlled Weapon Station (RCWS) integration options provide flexibility for close-in defense and counter-drone operations. The optional HERO 120 loitering ammo extends the Panther's ability to attack targets out of direct line of sight. Depending on the role and application requirements, an LM starter can be fitted.
All weapons are linked to the target optics and fire control computer via the fully digitized architecture, enabling 'hunter-killer' and 'killer-killer' procedures, seamless target engagement and future AI decision support.
survivability
The Panther has a groundbreaking, fully integrated, comprehensive and weight-optimized survival concept. In addition to classic measures, the Panther's digital architecture enables survivability on board and off the vehicle, with active, reactive and passive protection technologies.
The Panther comes equipped with a Pre-Shot Detection ability, allowing it to strike first. Threats from above are repelled by the Rheinmetall TAPS (Top Attack Protection System). The ROSY rapid smoke protection system is part of the survival system, which is fully integrated into the digitized architecture and enables additional defensive measures. The standout feature of survivability is undoubtedly the active KE protection, which increases the level of protection without sacrificing system weight.
As a system designed for use in a competitive electromagnetic spectrum, the Panther is fully cyber-hardened.
Reactive and passive protection
Sensor-based reactive system
passive protection
Active protection
Protection against KE mass ammunition
Protection against ATGM
ROSY rapid fog protection system
Top Attack Protection System (TAPS)
mine protection
Rheinmetall drones
Pre-shot detection capability
mobility
The operating weight of only 59 tons offers far greater mobility than current systems can offer. This makes the Panther one of the most powerful systems and fits into the AMovP-4L tunnel profile without preparation - a requirement that no current main battle tank meets. Consequently, the Panther excels in tactical and strategic mobility.
Combat weight: < 50 t
Range: > 500 km
Fits in the tunnel profile AMovP-4L
The concept
The Panther is a truly software-defined tank, fully capable of gathering, processing, and distributing intelligence on the multidomain battlefield. The integration of modern BMS and software-defined communication systems enables to ask?
the panther tank is back and its glorious
The most surprising thing to me was the weight, which is probably what most people overlook
whats the weight
@@RAiNfORAiNbOW 59 ton
@@swordsman1137 that seems standard for modern mbts
@@RAiNfORAiNbOW 55-59t actually a bit light for modern MBTs considering the 2A7V is close to 70t and i think the Abrahams is even heavier. This is due to this not being a "normal" MBT, this an Armata counter.
@@Armageddon_71 How would such a small difference in speed make it any more of a counter to the armata. Mbts are already super quick anyway
I noticed the AbramsX is building in a loitering drone and drone deployment ability as well while also adopting an auto loader. It seems like the various new NATO tanks are all being designed around a core set of ideas in coordination with each other but with differences based on a nation specific doctrine and needs.
The adoption of a possible direct energy weapon is also interesting as well. Would it be a homegrown direct energy weapon or would this be American due to America's constant work on direct energy weapons where as Germany and many European countries don't seem to have invested in this nearly as much.
With the US development and increasingly decrease of size and weight of said railguns I would be curious if the US eventually replaces the main ballistic guns with some type of tank mounted railguns and then other NATO counties seek out a similar upgrade.
I think a recon drone/loitering munition organic to each individual tank will be the norm in the near future. At the very least, every 1 in 2 tanks will have this capability.
Dude those GESCHOSS capabilities are insane
Hopefully this Panther has better transmission than the last Panther
Can it move past a speed bump?
It’s just a turret upgrade
No
At 6:17, I thought I saw the profile of a star destroyer, well fitting with the theme of laser defence systems. Makes sense, my subconcious self concluded. Then, a split second later; is this a subtle joke, I wondered.
I knew I couldn't be the only one spotting that!
great video like always!
time to start grinding german MBTs KEK
War thunder won’t be seeing this tank for a long time lol.
@@themouthofsauron6926 just wait for leaks lul
@@themouthofsauron6926 Yes, we would have to get the 2A7V along with DM63 and DM73 for 2A6 (And 2A7V)
Then we would get T-14 Armata and Panther KF51
.308 is extremely effective against drones that it can engage, the problem is getting the .308 to connect with the drone. Lots of videos showing this at big sandy shooting events
watch rheinmetall's video about their air defence. They shot little drones from kilometres away out of the sky. They shoot one round for one drone. Very impressive
With modern fcs it won't be very difficult...
@@ratlingzombie8705 Not with 7.62mm they didn't. Those are all autocannon calibers with exploding rounds to have such range and area effect.
German warships utilize an optical fire control option based in a multisensor platform on the bridge roof that is able to get direct hits on drones fying missile attack patterns. And that was first done in 2004. With modern technology, why should a 7.62mm gun not be able to have a fist-round hit capability on a smaller drone being markedly slower and lower than an AShM-sized one?
@@Muschelschubs3r Because it’s not a ray gun, projectile trajectory degrades severely so even a computer cannot predict where the bullet will end up after several kilometers, at the ranges drones operate. The round also cannot carry explosives so no area effect to counter inaccuracy. This can at most hit those small quadcopters, not fixed wing large drones.
I was waiting for this video 😃👍
Super awesome from a software engineer that worked on the Abrams M1A2 SEPV3.
Oh hey! Finally! A Panther that doesn't break down every 10m. I can't wait to see how it turns out.
every 150km without depot and bases you mean?
@@Pommern712 that's if you're lucky
@@funnyman4311 There was a report of a panther driving over 1,000km so if im lucky to drive over 150 what would that make him?
@@Pommern712 That would make him a miracle.
By the way I'm only joking, I know the Panther's transmission wasn't all too reliable, but not THAT bad.
Another channel (ua-cam.com/video/9FgwxxMsVgA/v-deo.html) mentions the KF51 auto-loader as being capable of unloading a round. AFAIK no other auto-loading tank has that ability. The fourth crew member can be a drone operator. He could also be a company or battalion commander focusing on leading. The tank seems to be fully digitalized which basically enables every position to do every other position, or, in extreme, one person can run every function in the whole tank from one seat.
It would be interesting to see what defensive capabilities the tank offers against cyberwar attacks.
I read somewhere that Armata also can unload a round. Although it could be me misremember what i read
Reports say T-14 can unload munitions
So they made the Paladin tank from Command & Conquer: Generals a real thing. Thank you for the video.
The concept image for the first use of the 130mm barrel is the leopard 2pl I believe
Last time Germany made a Panther tank.. it didnt go too well for them.
It went way better than without the Panther. Also Germany was defending Europe pretty much alone against the American Raid.
@@lifeofjoyandcreation
they still had fortifications and troops out the ass lmfao
@@lifeofjoyandcreation alone against American raid? man you sure forgot about the British, Soviet, Polish, French, and other Allied countries
My reaction on hearing about the Hero-120 is why put it in this tank when any light vehicle can carry it. All in all, a sound product but 20 rounds main gun round is too low if all future tanks get active protection against APFSDS. Frankly I don’t understand why it has so few. The 130mm munition has the same case diameter as the 120mm. The Meggitt compact autoloader for example stores 34 rounds of 120mm in the bustle.
but did you notice the length of the 130mm projectile compared to the 120?
@@chiefturion7134That would only require a longer bustle. Diameter determines capacity.
@@johnyricco1220 I think they want their chassis to be the solution for the ammo problem this presented proto is a leo upgrade path so they might grab some early orders to earn back the rnd costs.
The Panther is the first of its kind: a radically new main battle tank concept whose development has not been constrained by yesterday's technologies. Drawing on some of the latest technological approaches, the Panther was designed from the ground up to cover the following aspects: ua-cam.com/video/fTBA5tQsDbE/v-deo.html
Maximum effect on the battlefield combined with a
survivability concept and through a
fully digitized NGVA data backbone that connects to
Next generation usability and automation.
This allows for crew reduction and paves the way for unmanned turret options and man-machine teaming.
Highly effective
The 130 mm Future Gun System (FGS) developed by Rheinmetall and the optimized sensor shooter network ensure fast combat and a high degree of effectiveness on the target.
Excellent protection
The first main battle tank to use an integrated survival concept with sensors on and off the platform, as well as active, reactive and passive protection technologies and a special protection system against attacks from above (Top Attack).
Fully digitized
The Panther is the first main battle tank based on a digital architecture that conforms to the NGVA standard. This is the most important requirement for future decision support and automation systems
Clicking on this teaser takes you to the external UA-cam website. The provider UA-cam/Google (USA) is responsible for the processing of your data that takes place there.
effect on target
The Panther fulfills the core ability "Dominate and Destroy". With the Rheinmetall Future Gun System, consisting of a 130 mm cannon, a fully automatic ammunition feed system and additional armament options such as the HERO 120 loitering ammunition, the Panther has concentrated firepower for superior effectiveness at long ranges and when fighting multiple targets.
Rarely has the sheer power of a main battle tank gun been so impressive. The Future Gun System developed by Rheinmetall enables a 50 percent longer range (than 120 mm) with an unrivaled high cadence thanks to the autoloader. A 12.7mm coaxial machine gun complements the main weapon system. Multiple Remote Controlled Weapon Station (RCWS) integration options provide flexibility for close-in defense and counter-drone operations. The optional HERO 120 loitering ammo extends the Panther's ability to attack targets out of direct line of sight. Depending on the role and application requirements, an LM starter can be fitted.
All weapons are linked to the target optics and fire control computer via the fully digitized architecture, enabling 'hunter-killer' and 'killer-killer' procedures, seamless target engagement and future AI decision support.
survivability
The Panther has a groundbreaking, fully integrated, comprehensive and weight-optimized survival concept. In addition to classic measures, the Panther's digital architecture enables survivability on board and off the vehicle, with active, reactive and passive protection technologies.
The Panther comes equipped with a Pre-Shot Detection ability, allowing it to strike first. Threats from above are repelled by the Rheinmetall TAPS (Top Attack Protection System). The ROSY rapid smoke protection system is part of the survival system, which is fully integrated into the digitized architecture and enables additional defensive measures. The standout feature of survivability is undoubtedly the active KE protection, which increases the level of protection without sacrificing system weight.
As a system designed for use in a competitive electromagnetic spectrum, the Panther is fully cyber-hardened.
Reactive and passive protection
Sensor-based reactive system
passive protection
Active protection
Protection against KE mass ammunition
Protection against ATGM
ROSY rapid fog protection system
Top Attack Protection System (TAPS)
mine protection
Rheinmetall drones
Pre-shot detection capability
mobility
The operating weight of only 59 tons offers far greater mobility than current systems can offer. This makes the Panther one of the most powerful systems and fits into the AMovP-4L tunnel profile without preparation - a requirement that no current main battle tank meets. Consequently, the Panther excels in tactical and strategic mobility.
Combat weight: < 50 t
Range: > 500 km
Fits in the tunnel profile AMovP-4L
The concept
The Panther is a truly software-defined tank, fully capable of gathering, processing, and distributing intelligence on the multidomain battlefield. The integration of modern BMS and software-defined communication systems enables to ask?
@@target8970 you copy-paste the whole marketing website? hahahhahahahahha
It only took them 70 something years to fix the Panther tank problems. lmao
The drones can help look over hills and buildings etc. So the kf can stay hidden. Very useful
"Can it survive an ATGM barrage?"should be the tank version of "can it run Crysis?"
The Russians have now awakened the German tank engineer...
Scary - over engineered prone to breaking monster it is.
The Panther is the first of its kind: a radically new main battle tank concept whose development has not been constrained by yesterday's technologies. Drawing on some of the latest technological approaches, the Panther was designed from the ground up to cover the following aspects: ua-cam.com/video/fTBA5tQsDbE/v-deo.html
Maximum effect on the battlefield combined with a
survivability concept and through a
fully digitized NGVA data backbone that connects to
Next generation usability and automation.
This allows for crew reduction and paves the way for unmanned turret options and man-machine teaming.
Highly effective
The 130 mm Future Gun System (FGS) developed by Rheinmetall and the optimized sensor shooter network ensure fast combat and a high degree of effectiveness on the target.
Excellent protection
The first main battle tank to use an integrated survival concept with sensors on and off the platform, as well as active, reactive and passive protection technologies and a special protection system against attacks from above (Top Attack).
Fully digitized
The Panther is the first main battle tank based on a digital architecture that conforms to the NGVA standard. This is the most important requirement for future decision support and automation systems
Clicking on this teaser takes you to the external UA-cam website. The provider UA-cam/Google (USA) is responsible for the processing of your data that takes place there.
effect on target
The Panther fulfills the core ability "Dominate and Destroy". With the Rheinmetall Future Gun System, consisting of a 130 mm cannon, a fully automatic ammunition feed system and additional armament options such as the HERO 120 loitering ammunition, the Panther has concentrated firepower for superior effectiveness at long ranges and when fighting multiple targets.
Rarely has the sheer power of a main battle tank gun been so impressive. The Future Gun System developed by Rheinmetall enables a 50 percent longer range (than 120 mm) with an unrivaled high cadence thanks to the autoloader. A 12.7mm coaxial machine gun complements the main weapon system. Multiple Remote Controlled Weapon Station (RCWS) integration options provide flexibility for close-in defense and counter-drone operations. The optional HERO 120 loitering ammo extends the Panther's ability to attack targets out of direct line of sight. Depending on the role and application requirements, an LM starter can be fitted.
All weapons are linked to the target optics and fire control computer via the fully digitized architecture, enabling 'hunter-killer' and 'killer-killer' procedures, seamless target engagement and future AI decision support.
survivability
The Panther has a groundbreaking, fully integrated, comprehensive and weight-optimized survival concept. In addition to classic measures, the Panther's digital architecture enables survivability on board and off the vehicle, with active, reactive and passive protection technologies.
The Panther comes equipped with a Pre-Shot Detection ability, allowing it to strike first. Threats from above are repelled by the Rheinmetall TAPS (Top Attack Protection System). The ROSY rapid smoke protection system is part of the survival system, which is fully integrated into the digitized architecture and enables additional defensive measures. The standout feature of survivability is undoubtedly the active KE protection, which increases the level of protection without sacrificing system weight.
As a system designed for use in a competitive electromagnetic spectrum, the Panther is fully cyber-hardened.
Reactive and passive protection
Sensor-based reactive system
passive protection
Active protection
Protection against KE mass ammunition
Protection against ATGM
ROSY rapid fog protection system
Top Attack Protection System (TAPS)
mine protection
Rheinmetall drones
Pre-shot detection capability
mobility
The operating weight of only 59 tons offers far greater mobility than current systems can offer. This makes the Panther one of the most powerful systems and fits into the AMovP-4L tunnel profile without preparation - a requirement that no current main battle tank meets. Consequently, the Panther excels in tactical and strategic mobility.
Combat weight: < 50 t
Range: > 500 km
Fits in the tunnel profile AMovP-4L
The concept
The Panther is a truly software-defined tank, fully capable of gathering, processing, and distributing intelligence on the multidomain battlefield. The integration of modern BMS and software-defined communication systems enables to ask?
Good job, RedEffect
We want a Tiger !!!
Although the Tank is impressive with strong firepower and for example the Drone Option.
It has a too small ammunition capacity for a MBT. Should be improved but that’s just my opinion
Not really much they can do when every time they increase calibre means larger ammunition and thus less ammo capacity. Maybe the new hull will add some more storage space?
@@WellBattle6 lmao just like the God awful hill storage of the Leopard 2? Where one hit near the driver will cause the turret to go flying?
Imo armies need to stop with this mania of putting shit tone of ammo in to tanks 20 rounds per tank should be enough for tank brigade to advance or stop the advance on designated position especially in modern conflict, they would not even have a time to shoot out all the ammo before enemy will call for artillery strike. Russian tanks are driving ammo storages and this bites them in the ass.
@@WellBattle6 okay, now a question. How do you re-fill the storage in the turret? Those 130mm round is massive, you can't move it by one man and its pretty cramped inside a tank
If they are going to add more ammo they will need a blow out pannel for it if they dont want the crew to die because correct me if i am wrong but out of all nato tanks only the abrams has blow out pannels for the hull ammo.
APS doesn't defeat APFSDS it simply degrades it so having decent armor is still a must in most simulations hard kill APS at best only reduces KE projectiles penetration by 20-25%
Where did you get those numbers from ? The system is classified.
This. Not to mention the "armata" is just russian cope. It doesn't exist yet. Until it's active you can't claim it's magical capabilities. It's an unproven prototype that breaks down on tarmac.
@@scratchy996 i guess some of those round-armour simulation
@@scratchy996 simulations there are plenty of them on UA-cam
@@francoisassatlien8642 the tank absolutely exists it's just not in service yet because Russia is still building the plant to produce the tank that's why there is still only about 50 vehicles that were produced at Uralvagonzavod. As for "break down" I'm surprised you still believe that myth. The tank essentially was stuck in park that's why recovery vehicles couldn't tow it away, it wasn't til the contractor from Uralvagonzavod got there to tell the driver how to take it out of park that it started moving again and drove off like nothing had happened.
I watched Rheinmetall's video and what came to mind was a story by David Drake, "The Tank Lords", a part of the Hammer's Slammers storyline.
1:02 i love that this game uses the merkava as the main tank of the us army
I feel that these tanks are leopard styled not because it's 100% based on it but because it can be easy to retrain already existing Leopard 2 crews. I recall the new US Army vehicle being similar to the Abrams interior wise so crews can be trained easier, so this can be a possibly.
It is not based on it. This has been said by Rheinmetall numerous times by now. The only things it shares with the Leopard 2 is the chains and the MTU multi-fuel engine because Rheinmetall did not have time yet to develop new iterations of those. Also, the MTU is super reliable and well-proven to be the best propulsion concept of ALL tanks currently in service.
@@bobbwc7011 k
The "anti structure" round looks like a thermobaric round
Probably not i guess since in Germany this would probably need allooooot of discussion before that… since thermobarics are banned
However idk about what they might sell to other countries 🥲
If this is a new chassis, they must really like the design language of the Leopard II, because the resemblance is clear
Loitering munition is for situational awareness. It isn't just a weapon it is also a reconnaissance tool. Given how cheap they are and how expensive tanks are the ability for a platoon leader to get situational awareness of presence of enemies on the battlefield ahead makes it a no brainer. The fact that it can also take out a high value target is just a bonus.
It can't kill an Armata, like, how you can kill something that doesn't exist :)
Time for Russia to throw that glorious 152mm gun on T-14
Germany has still tank with a 155mm gun:
ua-cam.com/video/lBQe7Ahod34/v-deo.html
Nah it will be either 140mm or even 135mm. 152mm would decrease ammo supply to say 20 rounds, which is not acceptable in MBT.
@@tomk3732 but development of new tank gun takes decades. This 152mm gun is being under development since Soviet era. And it's the best tank gun in the world
beautiful tank
It is good to be prepared for the worst case but I wonder if we in reality even need an "Armata Killer" considering there are only a few of them around.
Nobody can kill the T14 Armata because it's a legend, not a real tank.
not at all.
a few dozent t14 were build till now and rumors says serial production should start 2023 with the new 152mm.
we will see.
@@tombaur8316 Maybe, if it has been redesigned to use chinese electronics.
Russia currently have around 100 of them
@@jaroslavdudas7227 You made a typo, you added an extra 0 after your "10".
@@sogerc1 nope.
100 are confirmed and 1.200 more planned.
production should start mid. 2023 with 30 pcs. monthly and than with the 152mm.
but we will see.
130mm gun fast mobility ez-shipping base tank and extensional appliqué armors. What I don’t quite feel right is half bottom of turret shape.
Because you think it is a "shot trap", right?
There are no shot traps anymore. Modern anti tank ammunitions are so powerful that when they hit the armor, the armor starts acting like a liquid. There is almost no deflection anymore.
Modern armor doesn't rely on the principle of making projectiles bounce off, they rather function like the crumple zone on modern cars. It eats up the projectile's energy by deforming it and itself.
Like on the chisel shaped addon armor package at the front of the Leopard 2's turret, I am certain the frontal part of the Panther's turret armor will be mostly hollow too. On the Leopard 2 the job of that extra armor is not to stop or deflect the incoming projectile, but to make it tumble before it hits the actual armor behind it.
I assume all those sharp angles and flat polygonal surfaces on the Panther have more to do with anti radar stealth, than with kinetic protection. As I said, angling armor doesn't really do much anymore nowadays.
@@TrangleC what I thought was exposing of turret ring. Even Merkava iv has similar shape and they finally protected by iron chains. And question is the team who made kf51 should’ve known the Merkava issue and what Israel army done, why they left turret shape like this?
@@TrangleC and about angling armors, I was thinking same as you. But current youtube military physic channels showing many armor and projectile simulation and the result is angles and spaced plates do jobs against tungsten/depleted uranium projectile. not as significant as cold war era though.
Jeez first a new Puma, now a Panther? What's next, the tiger?
We need a detailed video on VT4 tank
*This tank better be in Warthunders next update 🔥*
WT is waiting for a tanker to leak sensitive info before they add the Panther.
Then t-14 armata must be there
We’d probably get the 2A7 (Or 2A7V) before this. But yeah it wouldn’t surprise me. They would probably also add DM73 and DM63 before the KF51.
@@TheT-90thatstaresintoyoursoul we could get apart from the 2A7, the Korean K2 Black Panther, T-90M and Abrams Sep V2,
German engineering is like chefs kiss. Best wishes from Lithuania
7:40 i disagre, because if the aps is depleted or damaged or fails to stop the attack then the armor has to protect the crew. I think youd really want proper armor on a tank.
The Ammunition is in the back, to stop cook off rounds. Make sense to me. it would be behind a armoured door.
I wish the German Bundeswehr would fit at least 2 cold war sized (54 vehicles instead of 44) Bataillons with this. And then distribute the 88 free Leo2s into the other tank Bataillons to also upgrade them to cold war Bataillon size of 54 and maybe create one new Leopard2 Bataillon since there would be enough left to do so. :)
Maybe review Vietnamese tanks and modifications?
Ed Nash has a great video on those
Nash and Tank Enclopedia has enough of these. Also, Red Effect care more about modern MBT, so T 54M is surely not a good content for him. That tank is nice , don't get me wrong, but it is still not a MBT.
Something tells me it won’t have much export success or even be accepted into German service
It won't
The Bundeswehr is already talking with Rheinmetall and Rheinmetall said, some countries already show interest
well, it is just modified Leo2 and is not that great. They need to develop brand new tank, like the Russians. But that takes over 10 years.
@@tomk3732 It is not.
Yes glorious t72 is better. Tank + space program in one.
That turret looks like a massive shot trap.
T-14 Armata? Never heard of it.