Type 99 China's New Tank Leaked, What Does it Tell Us?
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- Опубліковано 7 лип 2022
- Leaked data on China's Main Battle Tank Munition from a video game forum. How hooah is that?
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Please try to get a more balanced and nuanced insight into what's really happening and why in Ukraine. I'm a patriot too; but doesn't reality matter..?
For example, was 2014 not a coup..?
Do you think a civilian population should be attacked by their nation's military..?
Since W Ukrainians were attacking E Ukrainians (NOT VICE VERSA)....
- what exactly do you think WINNING looks like for W Ukraine..?
As W Ukraine was attacking E Ukraine long before Russia got involved... what exactly do you think the goals of W Ukraine were..? (They don't look to be based on crimes, or any desire to use the political processes that "democratic nations" use).
And their animus was directed not over making political agreements or anything, but just over literal hatred (dehumanization) of people who feel more culturally Russian:
HOW is that not a recipe for genocide..?
@@trumanhw please.... use.... less..... dots........?
Execution date tommorow
Do a video on the latest light battle tank that will be entering production next year...
How it fits to the U.S. fight doctrine etc...
Looks like a Old British Centurion Tank, perhaps the CCP are influenced by the Israeli Upgraded Centurion’s?
The War Thunder military intelligence is unparalleled, how are they not hired by DOD?
DOD works for gaijin
I think they are Belarusian, if Belarus were not lead by an incompetent puppet I’d actually worry.
Because they'd leak their plans, too. The Leclerc and Challenger 2 both had classified schematics leaked on those forums.
Maybe they are. Who knows ;-)
War Thunder players have a Russian hacker button on their desks at all times
At this point War Thunder is a more effective espionage program than anything the CIA has going.
War Thunder players leaking classified documents to win an online argument moment
awful game but interesting player base
CIA: Good.. good...
@@FELTFELT factual statement
The CIA just doesn't post their findings on the internet. We've got no idea what the CIA knows. Hell, they only recently told us they knew Russia would invade Ukraine before it happened.
Most people never consider the usefulness of photographic intelligence. Take the bolt on ERA panels - the size of the bolt holes visible (4 per panel) gives an indication of bolt diameter and this gives an idea regarding the relative tensile strength of those bolts which, in turn, allows you to estimate the maximum load that they are capable of supporting on a moving tank, which allows you to work out the maximum weight or mass of each panel and estimate the amount of explosive that each could theoretically carry, which allows you to determine exactly how effective each panel is when triggered and possibly the speed at which they detonate, which allows you to determine what is required to defeat them.
Whew!
The dimensions of the roadwheels also help here, because they help in estimating the maximum weight or mass of the tank which tells you something about its mobility, where it can travel on its tracks or by truck, which bridges it can use, etc.,
The videos help a lot too.
I was a tanker in 1st Tank Battalion just before being disbanded. We do have snorkels for the Abrams. We don't have one for the commander's hatch as far as I know. But we had one that was mounted on the exhaust and had a cord to the driver once you got onto the beach. We had water ops in Pendleton. They were supposed to be waterproof with hatches closed. "Supposed to be".
The funny part is that the same happened with both France and Australia.
A French guy uploaded the schematics of the french tank turret to prove it could turn faster than it happened in the game of World of Tanks and an Australian guy posted on 4chan the entire blueprints of their newest submarine but nobody opened the link and just called OP "fake and gay".
Don't forget the first leak of War Thunder... British guy leaking the armor values of the Challenger 2 to convince the devs that they were wrong in-game.
The joke goes even further then that, Australia decided to go with different subs completely, the spies must have been pissed when that happened
Now we just need the secret American super plane dlc leak
its frightening that I can't tell if this is true or a shitpost
@@Sabrowsky Nah its true. But I'm sitting here wondering if the DoD officers only watch _"ironically"_
I can't help but start to believe that War Thunder is a platform specifically designed to acquire classified information on military equipment.
New theory
The irony of our propaganda is that the Chinese are both war mongers and yet their equipment/military is criticized for being not battle tested.
Any smartass out there would easily pick out this contradiction, but for our blinded sheeple in America - we swallow such propaganda whole
Wargaming and gaijin are planning something....im sure
Anything is possible these days.
even though 99.99% of the vehicles are old and not classified??
Love your content. Totally got me into nerding out over military hardware.
Wow, the amount of information you provide and work you put into this is amazing 👏
It's all very basic info you can find everywhere else included wikipedia, it's just packed full of jokes.
Yeah，quiet a lot of info to the level that he cant even name the tank right
It must be such a hassle designing a realistic computer game then having the players constantly leak state secrets just to demand you fix the stats of the units.
And if the game devs actually rework the game it be so much awesome....
C&C Red Alert 4 incoming, lol... (7:37)
I can just imagine the arguments on game forums. A Chinese player finally lost his shit and so leaked state secrets. He may have won the argument but he now has a future of a slow painful death. I just hope it was worth it.
Model makers are seemingly smart guys. There was a Russian bomber, that had never had pics with its gear down. The model-makers guessed on the configuration---they were proved to be correct.
@@chrismason6857 He'll be sent to no particular place at all, where nothing will happen to his internal organs. 👀
Just imagine some Pentagon official hearing about these classified documents from his kid who plays War Thunder and him sprinting to the computer to screenshot them before they get deleted lol
MAIL CALL!
The guy who leaked it was apparently a chinese tank commander. Emphasis on was.
The drama here is the leak source claimed that he managed to get the brochure and even a piece of actual penetrating rod from XIANYU (literally translated into 'salty fish', which is a chinese equivalent to Ebay), and funny enough the saler said he got the live firing round from 'Laoxiang' (basically peasants) living close to places where PLA's conduct firing drill and casually get their hands on these unused pieces of classfied military equipment.. and the leaker defend himself stating that since these stuffs can be put on sale in a public platform why would they even be considered 'classified' to begin with lmao
@@nathanwong5644 i doubt winnie the pooh will care about that
@@G-Mastah-Fash also was alive
LOL, Your comedy has definitely improved! Thanks! This was awesome!
Good job on the analysis video, you earned my subscription with no hesitation.
I love when people leak classified info to win an internet argument 😂
There's no greater euphoria than winning an internet argument.
He won his argument to 🤣
@@DtWolfwood and thanks to him, he won't win it for long.
World of Tanks has turn everybody into experts and turn many people into Russian bootlickers.
Russian Bootlicker kid: In real life it won't be ONE ON ONE!(They are implying that in real life it will be 2+ T72 tanks or any Russian jet vs one Western Tank or one Western Jet).
@@TheRibbonRed and this isnt even the first time
"If I had a nickel every time someone released classified military documents to a war thunder forum I'd have three. Which isn't a lot but its weird that it happened three times." Also best part about the stuff that's been leaked is the game developers can't use any of it and won't.
Lol, they add the rounds.
It actually happened 6 times. I don’t know if every time it was documents, but classified info was leaked 6 times
I think it's up to six times now.
@@somethinglikethat2176 yeah, it’s happened with the eurocopter tiger two times
@@somethinglikethat2176 what are the other ones, there's this one, the chally 2 and the f16
The info I've found on M1A2 Sep V3, is 66.8 tons which would be a difference of around 12 tons, not 18 tons. Perhaps you have gotten hold of Sep v4 weight? But 73 metric tons on an old platform sounds very heavy. Even at 66.8 tons it sounds like it's coming close to the limit without redesigning other parts of the tank?
This was very enlightening and a great explanation!
I am a War Thunder player.
This is the fifth leak.
There were two leaks about the Tiger attack and utility helicopter, the Challys armor, the Leclercs turret traverse and now ZTZ-99As round.
The best is: The leaked penetration data isn't even implemented in game because the dev Gaijin now can't do it anymore without looking bad to the MOD of several states.
War thunder top tier arguments are getting crazy.
can't wait for them to add the F35.
@@davidty2006 If i would have some documents that wouldn't risk my live or the lives of people that I value more I would upload them anywhere else and then cite them in forum.
wasn't there two Challenger leaks?
Back in the 90's I was in Israel. I was talking to an Israeli tank driver. I mentioned the fact that the Israeli Merkava was the most crew survivable tank because of it's internal fire extinguishers activated when a shell penetrates (what's the military term for this). He was shocked and asked 'how do you know this'? I told him I used to make plastic model kits and this information was included in the kits instructions. Not as serious as the leaked info on the new Chinese due to a video game, but, it happened in the past.
How do you know it wasn't bullshit made up by a model kit? I'm vaguely aware that a lot of the weirdness of modern naming conventions come from them.
I'm sure all these infos are leaked way before they made it into games and models. Nations pay top dollar to spy on each other.
@@hazzardalsohazzard2624 well, it makes sense and it hit. Same thing is for most western tanks and taught in armour equivalent of basic.
I don't think that's a "leak" I think that's probably just non-classified tank information being featured on a toy.
Jane's Fighting Ships has been famous for having secret specs on military ships for well over hundred years. I don't even know if still done but in past often more accurate than intelligence agencies.
Humans suck at keeping secrets. Thus I'm glad I'm confirmed now on the world governments were hiding how little they knew about Unidentified Flying Objects. Although Phenomena a better term as the object actually flying not proven.
Love your material Cappy!
Dude is hilarious 😂😂😂👍🏻very informative!!!!
he won the internet argument, dude is a hero in my eyes
He is going to get a "Hero of the People's Republic of China" medal soon for his success.
an hero*
One doesn't win many internet arguments, so that is a win.
Remember kids, winning is all that matters and it's only treason if you get caught.
I’m very convinced that the war thunder devs have a mole in every major military for the sole purpose of creating p2p vehicles
Can we get a video on the leclerc and challenger leaks too? Love learning about this stuff
Radius is how you characterize a 2 D circle or a 3D sphere. It is a single dimension. An area dimension given as 9” by 9” would imply a square (first assumption, it could also imply a triangle but you would be expected to provide more info) area in which case one wouldn’t mention radius.
Dear Cappy, we here at the CCP are delighted to hear you have taken an interest in our superb tank designs and are thrilled you’ve shared it with the world. Please remain at your current location. An education squad is on its way to teach you more about our glorious military technology.
Sincerely
President Xinnie the Pooh
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Here's a Fun Fact.
Apparently there has been at least 7 or 8 leaks in the War Thunder Forums(at least from what I known or heard of).
The most famous of this are the UK's most modern MBTs the Challenger 2 and France's Leclerc and at present the Type 99.
The others are something that I personally unsure of such as allegedly an M1 Abrams armor package and a German Eurocopter Tiger(or maybe it was an entirely different line of Eurocopter I dunno).
Remember Folks, crashing your countries Operational & National Security is definitely worth it in order to win an argument on the Internet!
i mean, that information deserve to be leak if some gamer can find that intel easily....
IIRC, War Thunder introduced the Abrams in-game just as the armor composition of its first-gen version was declassified, so people tend to confuse them together
@@zee9709 Their not gamers. Their actual servicemembers for their respective countries LOL.
@@honkhonk8009 they play game wasn't they? Lol
@@zee9709 yes tho a gamer who is also privy to opsec and a gamer who only knows how to make pizza rolls are two different things to be fair
The replica tank is probably going to be used in op training. We did it in the 80s with replica tanks from Russia , my guess it’s going to be our next big training for against China
7:50 love the red alert reference!
Wait what? A gamer leaked classified Chinese military tech to win a forum argument???
What a crazy world we live in!
It happened six timese last year.From british to German to china.
@@user-eo6mm8fr2c Yeah at this rate whatever tank is in war thunder isn't safe.
@China Life 20 year olds get bored in the barracks.
Add some corruption & the rest is history.
@China Life because many gamers are/were in the military
@@davidty2006 Classified no more
Former US Marine 1812 here. I speak from personal experience that the Abrams does in fact have have a snorkel for the engine. I have used the DWFK in training. I never used one in combat but they do exist.
Well, I hope that wasn't classified information.
@@odinsrensen7460 It isn't and wasn't a widespread modification.
Whoa the Abrams is a heavy armored submarine then
@@nekopop8159 yeah it can sink too ...
@@nekopop8159 ... or a reef.
You have my respect for having a video clip from Red Alert 3.
First time viewer. Awesome video
A few important aspects you missed out on.
1. The reverse gear is much faster than Soviet designs and matches western reverse speeds
2. It features neutral steering letting it turn faster in the spot, also unlike Soviet designs.
3.Reported but unconfirmed to have -7 to -8 degrees of gun depression making it more effective over ridge lines and defilades than Soviet and older Chinese counterparts.
The only weakness seems to be the carousel style auto loader but differing tactics like you discussed can mostly degate this disadvantage such as only engaging at range.
Would not be surprised if a version of the 99 or a new tank with a bustle style auto loader is introduced in the next 5-10 years.
Edit: the type 15 light tank already uses a bustle style autoloader meaning that development of a 125mm version shouldn’t be too difficult.
"strategy of keeping enemies as far away as possible" damn that's how I play strategy games too.
Carousel is not a bad solution. It is very difficult to hit ammunition placed low on the floor. The problem with Russian tanks is that after the carousel the ammunition is everywhere else in the tank. Each armor penetration ignites one of the shells, which then ignites all the other shells including those in the carousel.
@@orkako as Napoleon once said, never interrupt your enemy when he's making a mistake.
Still not as fast in reverse as a French tank.
@@orkako Additional new insensitive propellant would dramatically improve crew safety. As such propellant remains stable even after being hit. Thus preventing chain detonation of the magazine.
Should have said "Only in war thunder", where people leak military secrets to win argument
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First, the Abrams tank is liquid tight, second they do have a snorkel system, and, though it is a bit cumbersome to install it does work.
2:04 That "15•C" is a reference to the temperature in Celsius, not "+or- 15 degrees from the median error". The reference to Celsius is everywhere on that document.
Yes, 15 degrees error would be horribly inaccurate, making it unusable.
So what's the Celsius is supposed to mean?
@@nyimdewan3353 it's the given conditions at which the main metric holds.
kind of like how you say water boils at 100C, 1 atm. what is the 1 atm supposed to mean? it's the pressure at which the main metric, temperature, water boils 100C.
At different pressures, the water boils at a different temperature.
@@gwho Shazam!
That accuracy stat isnt 15 degrees - its that the test was completed at 15°C ambient. Air density affects ballistics and speed :)
Yeah, that's what I figured. Hence the big ol' C.
Obviously, firing at plus or minus 15 degrees from where you aim is not something that would be called "accuracy" 😅
Yeah, 15 degrees of accuracy would be only marginally better than aiming with your eyes closed!
@@ruan13o fuck that general direction and range
@@ruan13o Especially when the degrees are in Celcius, you know at a temparature scale.
iirc the M1A1 did have a snorkel and was at least mostly sealed up or could be as it had it's own air filtration system to allow it to cross or operate in "contaminated" areas safely as it is kind of tight quarters inside with a lot of places to snag a mask i don't remember having one inside. same reason the crew had only a side arm and wore LBE with i think 1 rifle stored someplace mainly for the highest ranking person if you needed to ditch...but it's been a really long time and things may have changed.
Good stuff. Thanks.
"Infantry out in front when facing enemy anti tank capabilities, something the russians didnt do in ukraine."
They didnt to start, since they thought the ukranians werent going to fight. Once they realized they were in a real war, they starting applying their actual doctrine based on heavy firepower and abandoned armored spearheads.
Yep, now they do artillery first to rubble-ize the objective then send in the armor. Even so the Russian army isn't exactly doing all that well.
@@garyp.7501 yeah only in control of 20+% of the country and 70% of their heavy industry base.
@@garyp.7501 They are taking it slowly to avoid having isolated forward units. But they just won a massive victory in the east. Its not what we expected before the war started, but they clearly have the upper hand.
@@aaronpaul9188 Yes, when I take three to one casualty ratios I boast about how I have the upper hand..
@@davidconnellan6875 the Russians control less of the country than they did 2 months ago. This is fact.
One thing I've noticed is that Russian and Chinese tanks' suspension are just so much less smoother than Western MBTs. You can see how violently the chassis rocks after firing the main gun or just traversing and braking. You never see that in MBTs like the Challenger, Leos, Abrams, and Leclercs.
That's because their guns are so stronk, comrade!
(j/k)
The T 72 has the smoothest suspension in current service world wide, have look at official specifications online
Ugh, heavy tank + good recoil systen
@@coffeecat9854 So... you're trying to tell us that a tank from the 1960's has "the smoothest suspension in current service world wide"...
Sure...
@@Oddball_E8 yes why would suspension age poorly? Russia was forty or fifty years ahead of western armies in terms of tank ergonomics and design
12:26 more that 20% sure that above the barrel isn't active protection. It's probably barrel warp compensation for better accuracy.
Correct me if im wrong, but doesn't the new chinese tank have a shot trap on the front of the turret? I noticed that the bottom half of the turret has a major slop that would push a ricochet down into the thin top armor right into the autoloader. Seems like a design flaw that could let smaller rounds get through the armor and damage the tank.
Tanks, even in exercises scared the shit out of me. In the dark when friendly or OPFOR tanks passed even just close to me, I'd stand up to make sure they saw me. I am a bit claustrophobic so I didn't like being in tanks either. Yeah, I wasn't the greatest soldier. That was 30 years ago though. I am super brave now.
I think you were smart. I know nothing about military life but I would like to be seen by a 60 tons monster if I were near it
That's why grunts didn't sleep on the ground near us when attached to an armor company (this was before the combined units now).
My Army career taught me best place -- "In the rear with the gear"...
Dude, there's no fear like trying to put the grunt phone back in the box when the Abrams changes gears.
The Japanese have back up cameras on their tanks, why don't we!?
@@mikehimes7944 Maybe the DOD was gonna put in those cams but the details got leaked on War Thunder and "Game over man..." LOL!
I’m so glad you titled this the, new army tank. Otherwise I’d have thought it was navy or airforce.
Bro that tank looks like the cursed offspring of a M1 Abrams ,Leopard and a T-90
The "Accuracy" is not +/- 15°, the +15°C is "plus 15 degrees Celsius" meaning the temperature at the test - like the Muzzle velocity is 1,760 m/s @ +15°C. The accuracy, velocity and armour penetration will differ with an increase/decrease of temperature.
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Exactly, I was like wtf dude look at the C!!!
Correct!
🤣🤣🤣the second line of Chinese characters on that paper was "Speak Use Type Meal: ZTZ....ZT99A Type Lord Fit Rule Party" by word to word which was nonsense🤣 But I could tell the original words the writer was saying before the Google translate by pronunciation and it was "话（hua）用=合（he）用=Fit for use"，“式餐（can）=式=type + 产（chan）=Produce (verb)” ，“主就(jiu)理(li)=主战（zhan）=main battle” “党(dang)= 坦克(tan ke)=tank”. (btw that sounds like a heavy Japanese pronunciation way in English, they pronouncing Jew as Julie and that's why "Zhu Zhan Tan Ke" would became "Zhu ZhuLi Dang" )
combine would be "Fit for use type product: bla bla bla... type main battle tank"
Tim Curry and Command & Conquer; bringing the nostalgia. Now all we need is the opening riff to C&C:Red Alert and we'll be good to go.
@12:10 "One hundred and fifty horsepower engine"
My Cavalier has more than that! LOL
Good job Bro
I love the fact that this is the 3rd time that a player in warthunder leaked classified tank documents just to win an argument. last year was the british challenger and a year before that was the leopard
leclerc documents were also leaked before
@@chris10000 the only reason the abrams hasnt been leaked is because the US army puts gamers in comms and the armory. that and thats also probably the fastest way to disappear from your post. "Corporal who? Never heard of them"
A french tank had the same happen too
@CSO Class Supercarrier Halo The Fall Of Reach youre right, oh well, maybe the leopard 2 will be next year
@CSO Class Supercarrier Halo The Fall Of Reach I doubt the abrams will get a leak, while a tanker in the US knows the dimensions inside and out, and they know the types of armor, anything classified theyd know is more capabilities like targeting and speeds. the armor designs arent even disclosed to tank crews, not even the factory in Lima OH knows how the pannels are made, they just show up ready to be assembled onto the rest of the tank.
Another correction would be that the so called "Type 99 A2" is not a real specification. Based on Chinese naming schemes, variants of military equipment would use the next alphabet rather than numeber. So "Type 99 B" would be the improved version of "Type 99 A", just like the Type 96A and Type 96B. Also, Type 99 A is the latest version and there is no improved version published so far.
Well, it's not entirely correct, take the Type 052DL destroyer for example.
It's part of the 052D class (evolved from 052C) but due to it only have elongated hull and a new long range search radar as an upgrade, it did not get the 052E designation.
@@obsidianstatue No.....052DL is longer for a bigger helicoper pad, usually, ABD refer as a very big upgrade in China, 052C and 052D look like a totally different thing, and J10 fighter, J10A, J10B, and J10C all very different, only from outlook tells alot.
Where did you get that graphs clip, it was hilarious!
Tungsten is denser than DU, the advantage of DU is that there is plenty of it laying around as a byproduct of another process and its pyrophoric.
What if -> Hear me Out -> They leaked it a wrong data sheet on purpose, to look stronger .
Hey Task & Purpose one correction I'd like to make is the ending statement of Chinese tank not being tested in battle. There are actually exported type-96s used in the Sudanese civil war that saw the vehicle go up against T-72As and destroyed them without tanking any casualties. This engagement and entirety of the war is relatively unreported but there are some sparse articles that reported the events.
The type 96s exported to Sudan had no ERA modifications on whereas the T-72As in service with the South Sudanese had ERA. This can be seen as a evidence for strong composite armor even in older Chinese tanks, but we don't know what ammunition the T-72s used though. It's just interesting to see Chinese tanks starting to over-take Soviet/Russian tanks in certain areas like technology and armor.
yeah but the other side using the T-72 was trained by the Ukranians. Do you really trust tactics and training of the late 90s early 2000s Ukraine??
So just More Metal Coffins on the Battlefield for China...Cool
You also need to consider crew training and doctrine, plus maintenance amd logistics. No disrespect to the Sudanese, but I don't know if they have the same scale of budget as China does which might degrade even the best designed vehicle performance on the battlefield.
@@ccarroll4339 logistics and maintenance need many money,
entier Russia has the same GDP as a Chinese southern province Guangdong, eand even a Chinese city has more GDP than Sudan,
so it is hard to compare the performance,
Just a correction that the tanks used by Sudan were Type 85 II-M, less advanced than export 96.
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Lmao Tim Curry from RA3's campaign caught me completely off guard
Keep up these great videos. Loving the amount of content you're pumping out lately. The editing style is awesome.
2:04 The median error is < 0.25m x 0.25m acoording to the document you read out 15° but it is 15°C the temperature at which the testing was done.
Is that very good or is that very bad? I guess enough to easily hit an enemy tank?
I believe that 15C is the temp on a Standard Day in aeronautical lingo, used as another commenter said, a reference point for calculations.
12:17
Tank with 150 horsepower goes crazy
You on the stairs next to Winnie the pooh. Peak comedy 🤣
the Roman Republic before it became the Roman Empire used to copy military Technologies and tactics that they thought might be better than theirs and combine the best of all systems to add to their Legions. I think this is a wise policy that all modern military should follow. I think the Chinese are being smart like that and I hope that the American Military is too.
problem is, who is better than the American military that they can copy? lmao
The american military and chinese military are probably top tier, and easily are competitors.
Both countries also realize that nationalism is retarded, and only put it up for politics and show.
@Watcher America didn't even have a rocket program prior to the capture of German scientists. The American rocket program was a continuation of the German rocket program.
the roman empire did the same thing actually (for example copying and incorporating parthian cavalry tactics into existing roman doctrine, later adding Sarmatian cavalry tactics, later adding hunnic and gothic cavalry tactics, etc etc. in adition to their own innovations)
Actually it happened with gunpowder. Uniforms. Rockets. Metalworks.
15°C is the temperature of the test conditions for which the data is relevant for. It is not MOA accuracy numbers. 15°C means the tests were conducted when it was 59°F.
Or the test data collected at another temperature was corrected to STP for comparison purposes.
15% is the angle of gun firing at given velocity !
@@pashapasovski5860 No... it is the speed of the projectile that was able to achieve this speed in the given temperature. Colder=most likely slower burning and the final speed at the end of the barrel will be lower. Warmer propelant will gonna burn faster and most likely the projectile gonna also move faster at the end of the barrel.
@@Bialy_1 OK,the temperature inside the tank is hardly 15°C ,they have climate control AC,but the angle of the gun,is what really influences the speed of projection! You don't aim straight at O°,because it gun is always elevated when aiming at a distance! You can even see tanks moving on roads with slight elevation, but yeah, you must be right, I didn't spend 15 months as a part of tank brigade, so what do I know!
I was going to say, a 15 degree spread is pretty terrible accuracy.
Just maybe 8 years ish ago. I watched a whole train load of these tanks roll down the tracks last where I lived in Alabama. Bet they were headed west to be shipped there. YES they were headed west towards Mississippi, past that Idk how far they went for real.
"What does it tell us?" That they stole the blueprints from someone else.
You should do a video about Germany’s large military budget increase. Germany was the Cold War’s front line in Europe, but will they be able to compensate for decades of neglect?
It won't make much of a difference. The budget means nothing when they have so few people willing to join the military.
Europe is finished.
@@TechnoMinarchistBall You can still have an effective military with low manpower, as long as the budget is high enough. See UK, maybe Canada etc
@@silverhost9782 The UK and Canada can only get away with their tiny militaries because the US does the majority of the heavy lifting in any engagement they're involved in.
@@TechnoMinarchistBall ...The same would be true of Germany?
Correction:
02:00 It would appear that the accuracy of 15°C refers to the performance at that temperature. Median represents the midpoint of the data, not the variation.
So at 59°F half of all rounds will fire faster and half will fire slower than 1760 m/s. ex. rnds fired may be 1700, 1705, 1750, 1770, 1775, and 1776 m/s. the median is 1760 and the average is 1746.
Easy mistake if you didn't have a Fanatical Prob & Stats Teacher in HS.
No need for correction, the second line of Chinese characters on that paper was "Speak Use Type Meal: ZTZ....ZT99A Type Lord Fit Rule Party" by word to word which was nonsense🤣 But I could tell the original words the writer was saying before the Google translate by pronunciation and it was "话（hua）用=合（he）用=Fit for use"，“式餐（can）=式=type + 产（chan）=Produce (verb)” ，“主就(jiu)理(li)=主战（zhan）=main battle” “党(dang)= 坦克(tan ke)=tank”. (btw that sounds like a heavy Japanese pronunciation way in English, they pronouncing Jew as Julie and that's why "Zhu Zhan Tan Ke" would became "Zhu ZhuLi Dang" )
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i like how you put soviet design over a challenger and western design over T-90
Good video. I’m impressed.
It's nice to be aware of the discrepancies between what the Chinese military says and the Chinese media says. The media would like to make outlandish speculations, inflate the capabilities and boast about it because their only objective is to produce contents most attractive to the Chinese audience. The military, if anything, would actually want to be careful when making a claim, and would sometimes even understate its capabilities. In the EN-speaking circles because of the language barrier, people usually just assume China is this monolithic block: "China says" "China thinks" while in reality the Chinese military, the MFA, the Chinese media, their objectives are not at all algined.
Plus some people (mostly idiots who watch Fox News) think that China = Russia and PLA = Russian army.
They're pretty much opposites.
The Russian army is big as they can make it and eats up a huge chunk of the state's funds with the main objective to attack and subjugate all neighbours.
The PLA is a small professional force to defend against Vietnam and slow down India or Russia while a general mobilisation can be effected. The PLA is also expected to start and run companies to provide its own budget.
Which makes a lot of sense because looking back to when the anti-maoists seized power, China was a shambles. They needed a lot of money to develop and they needed it fast, but you can't get that if you're financing a huge army for some hypothetical big war, while with Tibet incorporated into China, you've defense-in-depth against both your peer adversaries. So a PLA capable of stomping on Vietnam, Taiwan invading, North Koreans invading and the small western neighbours like Kirgizistan, means all strategic needs are covered.
One disadvantage with that T72 derived auto loader is that the ammo is much more likely to cook off when penetrated massively reducing crew survivability, which in any protracted conflict will mean a big reduction in skilled tank crews. The Russians had very few tank aces during ww2 due to the low survivability of T34 crews.
That is IF you can reach it in a defensive force
@@harrisn3693 do you mean if you can reach the t72 whilst it’s on the defensive? Hulled down and bagged?
This is why the Abrams have ballistic panels between the crew and the ammo. Plus blow-out panels that allow cook-offs to vent outside of the vehicle.
All valuable points, counterpoint: the do you think the Chinese Government gives a flying duck about the survivability of their soldiers?
@@The_Faceless_No_Name_Stranger no that’s why they’ll lose
They seem to be taking their tank development seriously. It's got some pretty decent equipment.
That’s leaker may have unknowingly saved lives
I think you've missread the accuracy error on the spec sheet. (+15 degC) Is refering to ambient air temperature. Its whats called ISA day temp. Basically a standardised temperature at sea level for calculating aerodynamics. The error is the text that comes after it in meters. You'd quote the temperature you calculated speed and error at because it effects the aerodynamics of the round
Always super informative and hilarious. Love your videos!
Hey props for PLA for doing something well with their espionage work.
I love that Cherdenko clip.
Ah yes, Tank simulation games, the ultimate classified technical specs bait.
Yeah I know right...LoL Laughable
Never take your Info from a Game
Good analysis. The penetration data 680mm is known to the public for several years (reported by state television channels) and it is not made by depleted uranium. Type 99A is a milestone for PLA. But they are still figuring out the optimal form of tanks for the future. And Type-15 is one effort in this exploration, which is several years earlier than MPF.
Check out the M8 AGS program, it's still a myth whether Type 15 can handle medium to heavy anti-tank weaponry from the front, unless the protection level of Type 15 is really as good as what Chinese keyboard analysts believe it's nothing new.....
Lol maybe they have the magical era blocks that stop apfsds rounds in warthunder
@@muyangcheng3874 You would not expect very good hard protection on a 35-ton tank, which is not its intended purpose. Type-15 has reasonable trade-offs over its design purpose. M8 has been cancelled and its purpose are quite different with Type-15. MPF serves a much more similar role.
@@Cecil97 If heavy tanks could be penetrated one way or another (with wide spread of anti tank missile), there could be different ways to protect the tank other than just adding weight.
NO matter how GREAT it is "supposed" to be, it has ONE major fault, it's Made in China!
Historically being in a tank offered a reasonable level of protection but I would be terrified of even encountering infantry these days in a tank. A tiny rocket seems to be a near guaranteed death sentence
Well for the most part tanks really don't go anywhere without infantry overwatch for this very reason, what's crazy is you think tiny rockets are scary when you can go to your local hardware store and make a shape charge with remote demo for just a few bucks and can take out any tank
This is like the Sherman vs tiger thing in ww2 cheap and decently effective vs a big monster but expensive and hard to make.
The best description of ZTZ99A so far is "T-80U tried to brake check Leopard 2A4".
canyou say more clear please ,cant get its meaning
Nailed it. also that bit about the gaming forum cracked me up because it's exactly how i'd imagine leaks happening; by someone on a mission to prove themselves.
I mean... what's China going to do, say "That's not the real specs"? They can't even argue against the information, because doing so will just validate that it's real.
The carousel pop your turret is self defeating unless a blowout panel system is used.
The snorkel for the Abrams is wide enough for a soilder to clime through
Actually the first Chinese tanks where bought by Chinese warlords fighting their civil war in the 1920s. from the French and they were WW1 tanks. Chinese also bought and home made their own armored cars. and trains. in the 20s and 30s. later the KMT Chinese bought some PZ1 German tanks as well as Italian and British light tanks in the mid 1930s but many of these got destroyed in hte battle of Shanghai 1937. The Soviets gave the KMT Chinese a few hundred T-26 tanks during the war with Japan 1937-1945, a large number where lost in the battle of Kunlun pass 1940 , the majority were kept in the rear guarding the Chinese kMT capital at Kunming.
Hell yeah! My favorite way to spend the day, thanks for the upload
Need a comparison with the new Abrams X Tank!
This stuff with tanks crossing rivers by just driving the bottom looks fancy. But irl we had Belohorovka 🤷🏼♂️
Funfact: war thunder players also leaked classified information about the Challenger 2 MBT and the French Le clerc MBT before this incident
I like your stuff Chris you do a good job. It's good to keep abreast of military advancements and possible strategic situations. Keep it up!
RA 3 moment was nice :D
1:00 Gamer dude is trying to prove a point, not money. Gotta respect that Cappy.
Just a heads up your videos are kinda quiet even at max volume whereas other channels dont have this issue for me. Noticed this the last few videos you uploaded.
Just thought Id mention it, thanks for putting up videos that help explain military happenings and developments in a way non military people can follow!
Did you flip the western and soviet tank at 0:38?
Challenger 2, my favorite soviet tank. Only true capitalists use T-90s
@@omnisciency same about the challenger 2
The accuracy “+ 15 degrees C” cannot be talking about 15 degrees of deviation. That is a HUGE miss. Precision usually is talked about in MOA (Minutes of Angle i.e. 1/60 th of a degree) or MRAD (Google it, I can’t be bothered to explain it). The +15 C is likely the temperature at which the test was conducted. You can also see +15 C below.
Let’s also consider that the Abrams tank has only been effective with the US. We have seen Iraqui Abrams tanks perform almost as badly as their T72As.
Lets not consider it at all.. Why? Because the Abrams you talk about had no depleted uranium armour, no reactive armour. In fact they were just steel hulls with NO added protection. So your comment is moot.
its all about having a experience crew that knows what they are doing vs one that has zero clue
@@okbutthenagain.9402 When people said that the Russian T72s are better than the iraqi ones, people love to call dismiss them as excuses.
Somehow, that's not the case when western weapons are in the hands of incompetent armies XD
@@okbutthenagain.9402 The exported abrams like you said dont have the DU armour but the exported T-72 dont have access to the standard russian shell,poor training due to lack of ammunitions,inferior electronics,and have no or either outdated era on them
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