Sport Bike Body Position For The Street

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  • @MotoJitsu
    @MotoJitsu  10 місяців тому +14

    jp43training.com/body-position-moto-gp-comparison-just-isnt-realistic/

    • @davidbrayshaw3529
      @davidbrayshaw3529 10 місяців тому +1

      Thanks. That should be compulsory reading for every new rider (and some old ones, too!)

  • @WDXash
    @WDXash 10 місяців тому +30

    Absolutely spot on! I’ve been saying the same thing for yonks. I’m a track day instructor, for road riding there is no benefit to hanging off, it’s exactly as you say. Glad you have highlighted this, I just hope riders take note.

  • @Andre-py9ry
    @Andre-py9ry 10 місяців тому +11

    I hope you will read this Greg. After you posted this video I couldnt wait to give it a try. I just returned; I did over 100 miles, I did not wanted to stop. I was passing curves with such a smoothenes and higher speed and felt safer than before. My chicken strips have 1 finger left which is an awesome safety buffer. Like you said I have more feedback and feel more connected to the bike. I enjoy riding but I want to come back to my daughter in one piece. Thank God Im living in a country which is motorcycle heaven. Furthermore I can see obstacles and slow vehicle much faster especially now when it is time of grape harvest and there can be tractors right after exiting right blind corner. Thank you Greg! 👍

  • @jamessidneybaguio728
    @jamessidneybaguio728 10 місяців тому +10

    Another great video! Now I know the correct body positioning, and what "over doing" it looks like. There are simply a lot of "bad examples" that I thought was the correct way. Good thing there are concerned people teaching the right way to do it. ❤😊

  • @snowblind1985
    @snowblind1985 10 місяців тому +9

    Spine parallel to the bike , arms relaxed, and counter steer to lean the bike. So the body need not do anything extreme to upset the front end.
    Also motogp body positions are a matter of extreme speeds (more speed, more lean required for a tighter turn) on a machine designed to do that with tyres to support and a maintained track (no oil, debris etc) where it's safe and every pro rider knows the basic safety and etiquette. So it would stand to reason that public roads are not the place to execute anything extreme because the conditions of a race track and race machine are not applicable.

  • @MotoTweak
    @MotoTweak 10 місяців тому +7

    Yep my grandpa and I were just talking about those guys body position. It’s more old school. You have to admit the elbows down does look really cool though

  • @coppo675
    @coppo675 4 місяці тому

    love your videos, learning so much for correct riding + focusing on my slow speed skills ..
    not worrying about 'how much tyre i can rub' and 'hanging off the bike"....
    on a side note, dude, how clean is your garage floor, like a bike operating theater, love it !!
    those integrated indicators, wow, extra luxe

  • @scott547
    @scott547 10 місяців тому

    Good stuff man! Especially for street riding! 🤙🏼

  • @veiledallegory
    @veiledallegory 10 місяців тому

    Greg,
    I was recently at the Dragon riding my Wing and was keeping up with a couple sport bikes and a super Moto. I noticed their line selections caused them to have to lean a lot more than I was. I was able to keep my bike a lot more upright because of my line (I did not cross the yellow line). I made the same observation about my body positioning that you explained in this video.

  • @hyedefinition1080
    @hyedefinition1080 10 місяців тому

    Thanks for the video...your previous videos helped me relax and stop trying to move as much. I pretty much move like this on the bike out of necessity; my motorcycle jeans aren't flexible and my bike (Z900RS cafe) sits upright, so it is difficult to move around a lot. I reviewed my insta360 footage and noticed I wasn't moving as much; tried moving more and it felt a lot more uncomfortable and with diminished returns.

  • @sivanyamurayama5523
    @sivanyamurayama5523 10 місяців тому +2

    that bike looks nice, the intergrated turn signals i mean, instead of sticking out separately waiting to break if the bike falls down 😄 I really learn a lot from Motojitsu videos 👍

  • @lozevans7057
    @lozevans7057 10 місяців тому +5

    So pleased I saw this. I've seen so many videos saying you don't need to lean off the bike at all, just stay central and push your arse against the back of the seat hump etc.... After I practiced trail braking and counter steering "upright" I hated it! Felt like the bike was going to run wide. So I changed my body position to hanging right off, and as has been said on here. I felt disconnected. So I went to moving my arse 3 inches or so and lowering my head and it was an honest to god revelation combined with trail braking and counter steering. I feel safer, more stable, more in control and faster. And to me thats all that counts 🙂

    • @Adrenalean767
      @Adrenalean767 10 місяців тому

      U don't need to lean off the bike at all.

    • @lozevans7057
      @lozevans7057 10 місяців тому +2

      @@Adrenalean767 Like I said "I" feel safer ;-)

  • @DucatiDadATX
    @DucatiDadATX 4 місяці тому

    Excellent! Keep it coming! Great info! If you come to Austin for MotoGP let me know. Cheers!

  • @ugrin72
    @ugrin72 9 місяців тому

    Thanks for your videos and for getting a sport bike and for all. You thought me to think what I’m doing when riding.

  • @jakeR1954rr
    @jakeR1954rr 10 місяців тому +4

    You just described exactly how I ride the twisties, thanks lol I feel affirmed. I think I move my head more than you did in that video, though. Also, I never freaking noticed that about Gagne. In my defense I usually watch motogp, I find it boring that Gagne just dominates everything all the time. I want to love it, I could, but currently I can't. But you're right, his positioning is way more relaxed. Neat.

    • @wobblysauce
      @wobblysauce 10 місяців тому

      Bingo, little bit goes a long way

  • @pumassg
    @pumassg 10 місяців тому +7

    Nice video! Riders should just do what’s best for them and within the comfort zone. I tend to hang off quite a bit to limit lean angle and it “feels” good to me. My coach is significantly faster than me and doesn’t touch knee at all. It’s all about comfort. I will say though, shifting weight to inside is scientifically better for the sake of reducing lean, increasing contact patch and offering more potential for drive. And Jonny is very capable of hanging off or doing a “hook turn”, he has plenty of photos with his elbow nearly down. That photo might be more of an outlier than the norm. Caveat; I’m talking about track riding. I haven’t been on the street in some years. Nonetheless, love your channel and keep at it.

  • @JDinky652
    @JDinky652 10 місяців тому +1

    Super useful and makes a lot of sense. Thanks.

  • @leadsolo2751
    @leadsolo2751 10 місяців тому

    Great Stuff ... as Always !! 🙌🏽✌🏽

  • @MotoEnLoCo
    @MotoEnLoCo 10 місяців тому

    Great vid. I might have to consider moving back to southern california for year round canyon riding :)

  • @Shini1171
    @Shini1171 10 місяців тому

    Keep up awesome vids burv :D

  • @dieandgoaway
    @dieandgoaway 10 місяців тому

    I agree with you at the beginning my body position was fine like you say here, but I was told to exaggerate and hang off more and it does become tiring and it makes me focus less on countersteering and trail braking.

  • @sajads.h9964
    @sajads.h9964 10 місяців тому +2

    Hey man thank for these great tutorials
    I’m a rookie and riding a 250cc bike and by watching your videos my riding skills is improving everyday.
    I have a question regarding entry speed for each corners and want to know how much speed is good enough not to fall the bike or get out of turn ?
    Cheers mate! ❤

  • @elgincain2749
    @elgincain2749 9 місяців тому

    Finally someone posted vid how to ride, 💯 man guys on the dragon need to watch this

  • @scottwitt7597
    @scottwitt7597 10 місяців тому +6

    This ones got me messed up. I watch a lot of your videos and really value your opinion due to your experience. You have made videos before regarding body position, both upper and lower, that really helped me get faster on the track.
    Body, head, bike. Half cheek off, extend leg, head by mirror, will all decrease lean angle with higher speed. This video is the complete opposite of what everybody teaches for speed, including YCRS.

    • @aluisious
      @aluisious 10 місяців тому +1

      You should not be going so fast on the street that you need to worry about reducing the lean angle of your bike. If you ride that fast, you WILL eat shit sooner or later, and you may not survive it.
      The street does not have controlled traffic going one way, it's not swept, it doesn't have corner workers, it doesn't have open sight lines, it doesn't have run off zones, it has animals, debris, trees down around blind corners...track riding is for the track.

    • @scottwitt7597
      @scottwitt7597 10 місяців тому +4

      @aluisious I specifically said regarding speed on the track. He's specifically referencing body position used in top AMA racers in the video, so the comparison is completely valid.
      Regardless, even on the street, less lean is always less risk. Sitting straight up on a bike, even at "street" speeds, is still increasing lean angle, which subsequently increases risk in multiple ways.

  • @Justkinet
    @Justkinet 10 місяців тому

    Tks for this amazing video... Will try this way now... 👍 👌

  • @jorgeserrano246
    @jorgeserrano246 10 місяців тому

    Thank you MotoJitsu i needed to watch this, im going to give it a solid try tomorrow. i do feel disconnected and unstable. 👍

  • @overthoughtandunderstated
    @overthoughtandunderstated 10 місяців тому +1

    This is the exact technique that I discovered feels most natural and efficient for me. I'm also on a Ninja 400, so "trying" to drag knee is just unnecessarily pulling that lightass bike down into a lowside

  • @dr.brianjudedelimaphd743
    @dr.brianjudedelimaphd743 10 місяців тому

    This is one of your best vids and explanations …

  • @raymadani270
    @raymadani270 10 місяців тому

    Thank you for sharing the outcome with us.

  • @Carlosyabrudy
    @Carlosyabrudy 10 місяців тому

    What a fantastic video 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽

  • @HemiBurns
    @HemiBurns 10 місяців тому +4

    I get off and lean more "naturally" when I am going faster and the corner is sharper, otherwise I do what you do.
    No need to get off excessively in a soft corner.
    Also, these pro riders are in crazy physical condition to enable them do what they do.

  • @madmaxximus1234
    @madmaxximus1234 10 місяців тому

    Jitsu!!! Looking smooth!!👍🤙

  • @iqjobs2766
    @iqjobs2766 10 місяців тому +2

    I do agree with you for the pace on this video but that's more like fast cruising pace than sport riding...at Higher speeds I really believe that to be on a much extreme "out of the bike body position" is must faster and safer. In the end is just physics..

    • @shavy9655
      @shavy9655 3 місяці тому +2

      don't get fooled. These guys ride faster than 90 percent on the streets. They don't push on the straights. Corner speed seems pretty fast. I also wouldn't recommend anyone to ride significantly faster than they did on PUBLIC roads.

  • @JagMoto636
    @JagMoto636 10 місяців тому +8

    Been practicing body positioning and it definitely felt like I was moving around way too much and was not comfortable for me

  • @monkmoto1887
    @monkmoto1887 10 місяців тому +1

    Motorcycle riding is a sport that’s constantly evolving. No one’s found the perfect technique heck look at twist of the wrist, the way they taught to load up the rear tire on those old compounds it’s way different than how it’s taught now

  • @miksilala
    @miksilala 8 місяців тому

    Thanks man

  • @Bugside
    @Bugside 10 місяців тому +5

    I've been moving at least the upper body and head inside since I started riding big bikes, and now if I try to make a sharp corner upright I feeling uneasy, since it requires way more lean than I'm used to

  • @hypedad
    @hypedad 9 місяців тому

    I see you’ve turned the comments back on. Balance my friend you got this ❤

  • @jaqenhghar4602
    @jaqenhghar4602 3 місяці тому

    Great video. It highlights how much more practice I need in riding a sport bike. Thanks for sharing.

    • @MotoJitsu
      @MotoJitsu  3 місяці тому

      Glad it was helpful!

  • @tjey379
    @tjey379 10 місяців тому +1

    Thanks

  • @gtrs4ever
    @gtrs4ever 10 місяців тому +2

    I lean a little forward and a little towards to the turn to get a little more weight to the front tire.

  • @flyingfox27
    @flyingfox27 10 місяців тому

    thank you

  • @41teeth
    @41teeth 10 місяців тому +2

    Great vid. I also feel too disconnected hanging off too much, and the fatigue kills the joy of riding.

    • @gspeed2963
      @gspeed2963 9 місяців тому +1

      This is pretty much what we were talking about ❤

  • @phuongshane.tran1990
    @phuongshane.tran1990 10 місяців тому +4

    Appreciate you always sharing knowledge that we supposed to pay money to learn!

  • @RumpledStiltskin-uz1uh
    @RumpledStiltskin-uz1uh 10 місяців тому +1

    This is how I ride but I’m not really trying to go super fast. I just let my inside leg move in from gravity. With good tires I feel solid hitting corners at a fun pace.

  • @copperaudio9664
    @copperaudio9664 2 місяці тому

    Good stuff - thanks. Almost all observatory roads are great. I used to ride up to Lick Observatory twice a week.

  • @M0T0G
    @M0T0G 10 місяців тому

    Great video! Is your mechanic originally from Hungary? :D

  • @Shifty2244
    @Shifty2244 10 місяців тому

    This is best ever

  • @patv6928
    @patv6928 10 місяців тому

    Enlightenment is something not for everyone. People loose the essence of a enjoyable ride with the pressure of knee dragging. excellent video and article. Hopefully will open the eyes of some.

  • @brendonarendse9132
    @brendonarendse9132 9 місяців тому

    Even Alex Rinse is pretty much straight up, not a lot of lean angle, and his corner speed is one of the best. So I totally agree with you on the body position.

  • @glennmiller1330
    @glennmiller1330 10 місяців тому

    Thank you again for your educational video.
    I do have a tip for all riders: stick electrical tape over the microphone of your camera, you will hear the engine but not the wind noise.

  • @alanwrigley8156
    @alanwrigley8156 10 місяців тому +2

    Maybe we should be looking at road racers for road body position tips such as TT racers and Irish road racers, they seem to be arse off and head up for most corners,

    • @shavy9655
      @shavy9655 3 місяці тому

      well, i don't think arse off is anything good at the street because in a moment of danger you need to be able to make a quick steerin to the oposite direction while at the tt in that case they are dead anyways, these guys don't dodge cars, animals, rocks or sth. they just run through at those speeds.

  • @pomey13
    @pomey13 10 місяців тому +1

    I felt this yesterday on my r3, fairly new to riding so doing what i felt like was really good body position through corners and then some guy on his gsx750 just blows passed me casually like he's on a Sunday drive, hardly moving at all through the corners.

    • @aluisious
      @aluisious 10 місяців тому

      As a new rider you don't really have to do anything related to body position. Just concentrate on your vision, steering, and smooth control use. The limit to needing to worry about body position is much higher than you're ever going to ride safely and smoothly right now.

  • @Zzz-ghostyyy
    @Zzz-ghostyyy 2 місяці тому

    Atp I think it’s a matter of what u like. As long as ur fundamentals are solid and your style is efficient and comfortable to u then it’s just what you like. I prefer hanging off I feel safer doing it like that, some people probably prefer staying centerline and that’s alright. I think if ur searching for speed rather than looks then it won’t matter. That’s what makes motorcycle racing so fun to watch. Who is better at their own style.

  • @ChronicalsofAl
    @ChronicalsofAl 9 місяців тому +1

    Finally! With current sport bikes people move way too much.

  • @jarlevikshaland2015
    @jarlevikshaland2015 10 місяців тому +4

    This makes no sense.
    1.) Jonathan Rea hangs of his bike like everybody else, including touching with the elbow. The picture shown in this video is probably after the bike is straight coming out of a corner (most liely sliding the back to help turn in) I just had to check the race at Aragon a couple of days ago to make sure.
    2.) Moving your butt makes no sense on the road at all, and it does not transfer any meaningful weight - its a preperation for moving your body over.
    If you need to transfer weight simply relax your inside elbow, this automatically moves the body slightly into the corner and helps stabilise it and you body will follow your eyes to were you are going.
    TEST IT: have a friend sit on his bike, hold it by the handlebars, let him move his butt. Feel anything?
    Now do the same just moving your head out towards the mirrors - on the GSXR just outside the screen - keep the body straight and relaxed just let it follow the head naturally. Feel the difference ? Thats why they move the body.
    On track you have to move the butt because your are hanging of - but only when you start getting up to a good pace. Moving the body is far more important.
    If you are scraping your knees or hanging of the bike on the road you are either going way to fast and suicidal (the speeds used in these videos are not close) or posing.

    • @nickrider5220
      @nickrider5220 9 місяців тому

      Yeah, the J.R. photo is of him trying to straightline a chicane, it's at an Italian circuit, but I can't remember which one. JR moves his body a fair bit if he needs to 👍

  • @I3ladefist
    @I3ladefist 10 місяців тому

    We got comments back available! Good to see you Fast Eddie!

  • @smithgroove945
    @smithgroove945 10 місяців тому

    I feel more in control when i am over the bike. Yep horse tried to throw me yesterday. Unintentional wheelie around a slow turn. I was over the bike so was able to recover.

  • @SFV4
    @SFV4 10 місяців тому

    At 3:02: those following WSBK know that there are times when Jonathan Rea’s outside foot is not even on the footpeg at all. He uses his outside leg as a hook not to fall off his bike.
    Just watch the Portimão round (29.9 - 1.10.2023) and you will see that his outside foot often skids and looses contact with the peg.

  • @mcdonaldslover52
    @mcdonaldslover52 10 місяців тому

    this biggest thing people forget to mention is road/track quality. If you have 2 tracks which are identical in shape and length, except 1 of them is track quality asphalt and the other is road quality with potholes, loose gravel and dirt, the way you ride and your body position is going to drastically differ. On the road you need to keep the bike as upright as possible (if you're maximizing safety of course). The less contact patch, the more likely it will slip at the tiniest bit of dirt. Also, the more upright your bike the better your suspension will work when you hit a pothole or small divet in the road. Every corner of a track is (almost) the same on the 10th lap as it is on the 50th, but on a public road the same corner can be very different every hour.

  • @vgo5213
    @vgo5213 10 місяців тому

    That looks cool …

  • @Wintersdark
    @Wintersdark 3 місяці тому

    I've found - for me and my very different body type - I'm most comfortable keeping my butt stationary side to side on the seat, but I'll rotate my hips and shoulders a bit and move my upper body. I'm also riding an mt10, so (by sport bike standards) I'm quite upright. Head and shoulders move in, but not a whole lot, at my zestiest no further than the mirrors off center line relative to the bike. And the mt10 mirrors arent super wide.
    Critical for me, is I'm not pushing far forward, so im not "kissing the mirror" so leverage has a very significant impact - im 6'4" and 300lbs. There's real wind pressure on me because mt10, but i enjoy that. As a big dude, its not tiring.
    I can have have done the hanging off the bike thing, but i dont like being so disconnected from it, and I've got a lot of mass to move so quick transitions are exhausting.

    • @MotoJitsu
      @MotoJitsu  3 місяці тому

      for slower speeds, probably don't have to move at all

  • @user-dc1vy5ty6t
    @user-dc1vy5ty6t 10 місяців тому

    Your pace in this video is it within the speed limit?

  • @pneumonical
    @pneumonical 10 місяців тому

    niceeeee

  • @NobodyWhatsoever
    @NobodyWhatsoever 10 місяців тому

    With that mustache, Greg's gonna look like "Fast Eddie" means something entirely different lol
    I've been watching videos like this one, but as a new rider, it gives me a bit too much to think about while developing more basic skills. Still, I'm glad he's been making them, because when I get there, it means I know a good place for rational information. I can't even count the times people have shared links on various platforms, wherein someone is giving pure nonsense about riding a motorcycle.

    • @dantolen3969
      @dantolen3969 8 місяців тому

      Forget all the internet noise. Go ride a lot and get used to the flow of the road. Improve naturally, slowly, at your own pace. Ride your own ride always.

  • @antonelloc4864
    @antonelloc4864 3 місяці тому

    Hi Greg and thanks for the amazing work you do!
    I started riding recently and I have been practicing low-speed turns on my sportbike.
    My question is:
    I noticed that at low-speed maneuvers the butt is hanging off in the opposite direction in which I am going, in order to counter-balance the bike and prevent if from falling while leaning, so:
    I look left, lean left, buttcheck a little right.
    In this video however it looks like the whole body is committed to one direction and also the buttcheck is going left when leaning left.
    Could you/someone help me on this?
    Thanks!

    • @alpineacres8042
      @alpineacres8042 15 днів тому

      Most people counterlean at slow speeds (which sounds like what you're describing). People also counterlean on something like a dirt bike or a sumo even at higher speeds. The problem with counterlean is that is pushes more lean angle into the bike, the same turn at the same speed, counterlean you might have 40 degrees, centered 35 degrees, and hanging off the inside 30 degrees. So, at higher and higher speeds (and tighter corners), leaning in starts to be more important.
      At any reasonable road pace, you can really do whatever you want. Center, lean in or out. It's only when things get more extreme, track riding, for example, where leaning the "right" way becomes more important. One thing worth noting though, the more you lean in (spider money off the bike to the inside) the less lean angle, which can be valuable on the street in a low traction situation (rain, sand in the road, etc). My general take is similar to what's presented above, lean in a "reasonable" amount on the street, move your butt over a cheek and make sure your body follows (don't have your butt off to the left and your body leaning right; that's "crossed up" and isn't doing anything other than looking bad and reducing your control of the bike).

  • @johnsmith-fk7fw
    @johnsmith-fk7fw 10 місяців тому +2

    i feel like he makes the thumbnails look like james macavoy from Split... lol 😅

  • @aleokyn5757
    @aleokyn5757 10 місяців тому

    ok nice i learn something now just wait for kawasaki release my bike from workshop asap.

  • @jbreviewer65
    @jbreviewer65 10 місяців тому

    100% what @MrDeepseadweller said bellow but I would add that leaning your head and shoulders slightly and progressively to the inside displaces considerably more weight, more effectively than shifting your butt and knee. You don't need to "Put your head below the bars".

  • @kleinbottled79
    @kleinbottled79 10 місяців тому +2

    I like to lean enough that the steering becomes perfectly neutral. This is a different amount on every bike, but usually not too far at all.

    • @aluisious
      @aluisious 10 місяців тому

      That doesn't mean anything. I guarantee you that if you tape a pencil to your bars or clamp and make a video of it, they are pointing to the inside of the turn when you are turning and the bike is leaned, because otherwise it would keep leaning until it fell over.
      it only feels "neutral" to you because you moved your body to a different position.

    • @kleinbottled79
      @kleinbottled79 10 місяців тому

      @@aluisious Well, yeah, the bar turns sure, probably about the same amount on basically any bike. But sometimes it takes pressure one way or the other to hold the bars at the correct angle to maintain a given turn radius. Usually, when a bike isn't neutral handling, it needs forward pressure against the inside bar to hold a turn. Much more rarely you might come across a bike which feels like it 'falls' into the corner and you need to steer in to 'catch' it.
      The second part I can only fully agree with. Yes, I can make an un-neutral bike 'feel' neutral by shifting the joint CG of me and bike. I don't have to hold the bike into the turn at the bars if my body weight is already doing it. Usually doesn't take much. Although my brother had a zxr1200 that ya had to hang pretty far off of if ya didn't want to be pushing that inside bar.

  • @blackapinotime4318
    @blackapinotime4318 10 місяців тому

    Where this at?thanks

  • @Murad.bn2
    @Murad.bn2 10 місяців тому

    I have a question for those who know to lean in turns: did anyone tried to measure lean angle vs speed, and any info on that ? (talking about sport & naked bikes).
    I saw once kind of comparison table, which shows street & sport bikes can lean to 40-50 degrees, and motoGP guys go to 55 degrees, but would like to know opinions of real people. I am a new rider, with less than 2000 miles experience, plus roads in the city where I live are not lean-friendly (not so many turns, but lots of cars from different directions, have to slow down and watch out all directions).

  • @CELL7GAMING
    @CELL7GAMING 4 місяці тому

    @motojitsu General safety question, how do you stop a death wobble?

    • @MotoJitsu
      @MotoJitsu  4 місяці тому +1

      roll off gas, give the bike an input to the bars to make it lean

  • @vijayam1
    @vijayam1 10 місяців тому

    I guess as Andy Ibbott from CSS said, the distance from the tank to the wedding tackle is just your fist distance away.

  • @stfu6397
    @stfu6397 10 місяців тому

    this is so true tho

  • @northernsummer5414
    @northernsummer5414 10 місяців тому

    Are you weighting the outside peg to plant the inside rear tyre edge doing this as well or is that of no concern?

    • @ianjohnson1207
      @ianjohnson1207 9 місяців тому

      What bull💩you’d think most of the comments on here are from professional road racers
      Utter garbage

  • @Christian-px3zt
    @Christian-px3zt 3 місяці тому

    I actually feel much more connected to my sport bike when I change my body position depending on the situation. I can only have a relaxed upper body when I move a little to the side in corners because then my inner leg takes automatically most of the weigth being supported by the tank. If I ride in the alps thats very importent since there are a lot of forces and i need my arms to be relaxed. when i do tighter corners i at some point need to hang off a little otherwise i don't have any safty buffer. So i don't think hanging off is a bad thing for sport bike riding on the street if u use it to feel more confortable with your bike.

    • @MotoJitsu
      @MotoJitsu  3 місяці тому

      as of today, I've been practicing and learning a lot about body position and I've been doing a lot of things very inefficient/not really effective...it's a journey but I can say for sure, most people hang off too much and at the wrong time for wrong reasons.

  • @bloodyhell451
    @bloodyhell451 10 місяців тому

    I agree with everything you say but if I was going to be a critical pain in the arse I would say you need to get more radical with your road positioning. Get further out left for a right hand bend and vice-versa. For any given corner you can go faster and it also increases your vision round the bend. Have fun.

  • @rp6523
    @rp6523 Місяць тому

    This is an interesting idea. I personally find it easier to leave my lower body in the middle of the bike and lean my upper body off the bike when i want to be smooth and efficient

    • @MotoJitsu
      @MotoJitsu  Місяць тому +1

      whatever works at your pace, just know when the pace goes up, things change
      instagram.com/motojitsuclub/

  • @xiaoxu8999
    @xiaoxu8999 10 місяців тому

    Is it Paroma mountain?

  • @rorytv4383
    @rorytv4383 10 місяців тому

    when you are turning in this video, are you just using your body weight or are you also pushing the handlebars to stear?

    • @patrickmba7638
      @patrickmba7638 10 місяців тому

      Safe to say he's pushing/ pulling to steer.

  • @JuicedMoose
    @JuicedMoose 2 місяці тому

    I want to see sone knee dragging and mote information on that. Speeding in turns

  • @Tracer9GTRider8
    @Tracer9GTRider8 9 місяців тому

    I have done a couple of "track days" at Pittsburgh International Raceway. Lee Parks Total Control has the contract for PA (side note: msf courses, including the advanced rider course at Pitt Raceway or the Poconos, are free to PA residents). They teach the Total Control technique of course, and I have always felt that it is more of a racing technique than a street riding technique. I have taken some things from the course to apply to street riding, but it is very challenging and very tiring to do this technique through consecutive tight twisties with advisory speeds of 20-35 mph.
    Incidentally, I ride with some older guys who are super fast and super smooth through the tight twisties and they hardly move at all - its crazy to see how fast they are and how still they seem to be sitting!

    • @MotoJitsu
      @MotoJitsu  9 місяців тому +2

      I taught Lee's courses for 8 years...it all applies to the street, just the degree of application is different.

    • @Tracer9GTRider8
      @Tracer9GTRider8 9 місяців тому

      @@MotoJitsu I know you did and that's why I mentioned it, and I agree with you I think I just wasn't able to express it properly. For example, they teach the head below the handle bars, knee almost straight out with heel up on the footpeg plate, etc. My apologies for not being more clear - and thank you for all the videos and instruction!

    • @MotoJitsu
      @MotoJitsu  9 місяців тому

      No they don't...that may be your perception of the course but that's not what's taught.

    • @Tracer9GTRider8
      @Tracer9GTRider8 9 місяців тому

      @@MotoJitsu Greg, I promise you I'm not making that up and it's definitely not my perception. We did a drill in the paddock area we're we're on the bike and other riders in the group support the bike while the instructor walks you through the technique and body positioning. Nearly everyone in my group (group 3) was told they weren't getting their head down far enough. My eyes were below the mirror and they told me "lower". First year I had an instructor named Luis and second year it was Jeremy. Same for both of them. They'd say it after they followed me on the track too. Lee was there both years too, on his super moto Husky...lapping everyone 🤣

    • @MotoJitsu
      @MotoJitsu  9 місяців тому

      I know..I used to teach it. That drill is to do one thing...and what you do in that drill isn't the same while on the bike during the drills, which also isn't the same of what you do on track.

  • @Master-bp8pd
    @Master-bp8pd 10 місяців тому +1

    Changing you recommendations over time back and forth is honest, but frustrating

  • @dumpors1
    @dumpors1 10 місяців тому

    Can you coment on crazy driving style of Jorge Martin from motoGP. His chin is two inches from track😮

    • @jarlevikshaland2015
      @jarlevikshaland2015 10 місяців тому

      Riding on the road has nothing to do with riding on the the track - nothing. Thats the point.
      There is no comparison whatsoever. Riding on the road, you never get to crazy lean angles.
      The next up is road racing like Isle of Man TT og in Ireland, the you move onto track and it changes through the classes.
      Motogp is 300 hp bikes, with special tires used nowhere else, brakes that reach 1000 deg C, areo fins, drop devices to increase acceleration etc. they have lean angles of more than 60 degrees, and the body has to be in those positions - if not they would have to lean even more.
      Jonathan Rea tested MotoGP some time back, could not figure it out and was told to wait, brake harder at much higher lean angles to make the tires work.
      Again road and track can't be compared. Ride with road ody position on the road.

  • @CrudBucket
    @CrudBucket 9 місяців тому

    Wouldn’t the amount of movement needed also depend on rider weight. A very light rider would need to move inside more than a heavier rider for the same speed?

  • @FullTwistMoto
    @FullTwistMoto 10 місяців тому

    Yo comments are back :)
    Anyway, FYI your tail light is Dim AF...could hardly see it from the guy tailing you. (Could just be the video too).
    Might want a brake light flasher and brighter bulbs to make it more visible.

  • @chrisball3787
    @chrisball3787 9 місяців тому

    I think it's important to remember that a riders weight will determine how much the rider has to lean over to get the bike to turn properly. Heavy guy don't have to move much to displace the cog but most motogp guys weigh 120lbs they have to put all their weight to one side 😊

    • @MotoJitsu
      @MotoJitsu  9 місяців тому +1

      Not relevant at all

  • @jerichoatmosfera1986
    @jerichoatmosfera1986 27 днів тому

    what hwy is this at?

  • @tanasealexander7050
    @tanasealexander7050 9 місяців тому

    Same tutorial but for track ? Should be awesome

  • @alien1366
    @alien1366 10 місяців тому +1

    It looks like you were riding gentle bends with the odd curve. Not really a road requiring hanging off unless you were 39mph faster. When you move your butt to the inside pre turn your shoulders are still central to the bars and your body isnt inline with the bike frame anymore causing imbalance. When you look where you want to go in bends it automatically positions your upper body in the right direction. Using the heel to the outside doesn't matter unless you are using pressure to help steer the bike. I'm not getting into the hanging off part. Dont forget fun when you ride. All work and no play.....

  • @mr.brzi9567
    @mr.brzi9567 10 місяців тому

    How much do you need to move one the naked bike? I have mt07 2021 and I drag knee but I fell like I dont connect with bike...

    • @JAMESWUERTELE
      @JAMESWUERTELE 5 місяців тому

      I know that feeling. I had a Hypermotard, never could get comfortable on that bike. Went back to Honda and I am back to feeling one with the bike. Sucks that Ducati trade cost me some cash.

  • @distancejunkiemonkey4491
    @distancejunkiemonkey4491 10 місяців тому +1

    Try experimenting with bending the inside elbow.

  • @gary9768
    @gary9768 5 місяців тому +2

    I'm confused can someone please explain, I thought leaning your head off and keeping the bike as upright as possible was the best way to turn?? letting the bikes suspension work..
    What's said here goes against what's said in Twist of the Wrist..??

    • @alpineacres8042
      @alpineacres8042 15 днів тому +1

      It's the best way to get around a race track quickly, because, as you said, it reduces lean angle, that's a hard barrier to more speed; if you've got the bike at 50 degrees, you simply can't turn any faster without washing out the tire. If you lean off to the inside, that 50 degrees might become 45, so now you can go faster, take the bike back to 50 degrees with you hanging off, you'll get around the corner more quickly.
      Thing is, this applies basically "never" on the street unless you're absolutely blasting a twisty road. At anything even near the speed limit, you can do whatever you want in the corners, the bike/tires will hold on if you have dry/clean pavement. It's when things get more extreme that you have to really start to think about this; when you're running out of lean angle, hanging off the bike gives you a few degrees back.

    • @gary9768
      @gary9768 14 днів тому

      @alpineacres8042 thanks for the detailed reply man

    • @amisfitpuivk
      @amisfitpuivk 6 днів тому +1

      @@gary9768 Yeah track riding is pushing the bike to the limit, but on the street at normal speeds you're not at the limit so there's no need to hang off the bike to make it more upright. Leaning off hard makes everything else hard to control and is not worth a couple degrees of the bike leaning back up. When the corner is _designed_ for racing at high speeds it's a different story. Another very helpful thing to remember is Radius=MPH. Going wide? let off the throttle and add a little brake. Turning too sharp? give it a bit more gas to widen. The lean angle kinda takes care of itself if you do those two things.

  • @presstodelete1165
    @presstodelete1165 10 місяців тому +10

    I can't think of any time more drama improves things in real life, it's just for the movies.

    • @SongJLikes
      @SongJLikes 10 місяців тому

      challenges = beneficial
      drama = detrimental

    • @chewyfknrocks
      @chewyfknrocks 10 місяців тому

      Agreed.

  • @arbestcrontisb4248
    @arbestcrontisb4248 10 місяців тому

    So you are basically not trying to keep the bike upright, correct? Doesn't this mean you get less grip from the tires since the weight of rhe bike is pushnig more diagonal to the ground? I always thought you were supposed to hang more off the bike to allow the bike to be more upright and consequently have more grip and be safer...am i wrong?

    • @amisfitpuivk
      @amisfitpuivk 6 днів тому

      You are right in that you lean into the turn to make the bike upright and have more grip. It just doesn't matter on the road because at road speeds your bike isn't going to be tipped over to the edge of the traction zone so there is no need to hang your body off like it's motoGP in order to upright the bike enough to not lowside. They have to do that because they're going ludicrous speeds and their bikes _are_ tipped over to the maximum. All he's saying is there's no need to _drastically_ lean off the bike. A couple degrees of reduced bike lean angle isn't worth putting your body in a weird position where it's hard to control the bike, because you'll have enough traction either way on the street. If you're going 40mph over the limit it's a different story, and you'll probably lowside anyway from dirt on the road or a pothole.

  • @TriAngles3D
    @TriAngles3D 10 місяців тому

    The idea is simple: get through the corner fastest with the least amount of effort and lean angle...
    Point your bellybutton in the corner direction. That will set your hips in the correct position. The rest of your body will follow.
    Knee down, elbow down, chin down and upload to insta...getting real tedious. Next is face down.
    Find that line and ride.

  • @bradsworld2446
    @bradsworld2446 Місяць тому

    I have tried to put 4k videos on youtube. Just download from my channel. But when I play them on youtube, they are blurry and poor quality. Do you do anything to some settings somewhere to keep them looking really good. I can't figure out why it is doing it.

    • @MotoJitsu
      @MotoJitsu  Місяць тому

      when you're trying to download a video from youtube I never had be 4k....don't know why you're downloading a video then trying to upload the same video?

    • @bradsworld2446
      @bradsworld2446 Місяць тому

      @@MotoJitsu lol. No. I mean: when you MAKE a video and you upload it for your channel, how is it still so clear? Mine are great 4k when i edit them, but after i put them on my channel, the quality sucks.

    • @MotoJitsu
      @MotoJitsu  Місяць тому

      no idea of your process

  • @adilghazanfar519
    @adilghazanfar519 9 місяців тому

    From what i see is, he will have to lean the bike more than if he leaned his upper body.
    And if you lean the bike more you are leaving yourself open to risk such as potholes or imperfections which is common on public roads.

  • @smithgroove945
    @smithgroove945 10 місяців тому

    Makes sense. If the bike is leaning then its harder to go wide in a turn. Looking good bro. 👍