Thanks for the video. Seeing the action components outside of the piano was very helpful. I have a single non-repeating key in an otherwise perfectly working upright. Tomorrow I'll try to lubricate the pins you showed and see if it solves the problem after a few days. If not I'll start replacing pins and maybe add weight to that key to try and compensate for the sticking.
Thanks for the video. Can you go in detail how to exactly lubricate a centerpin for a sticking Jack Flange? were do you apply the lubricant and what tools do you use? Thanks
Yes, you would apply the lubricant to the end of the center pin where it is visible on the side of the flange. The lubricant will seep into the felt around the pin. I just use a hypo oiler to apply the lubricant.
if thats happening on a 4yo piano you probably have a dampness problem;you need a device to heat up the inside of the piano which will dry out the affected parts;there are expensive devices out there but there are also economy ways to do the same thing
@@ShirleyKirsten No way a 4yo piano should need new pins;the humidity will have been the problem;I have repaired many without repinning;you might bear it in mind with subsequent pianos;you may be living in an area of high humidity etc;pianos should really be kept in a controlled environment so to not upset their parts which are made of wood steel felt etc;
Disagree. Steady humidity between 47 to 49%.. I have a Steinway M 1917.. never needed re-pinning.. I am not in a high humidity environment. Please check out my Steinway you tube vids.. Fabulous performing piano. I would not rank Chinese Baldwin very high. Never again! I consulted many well known high profile techs on this matter, so I have adequate info.
@@samspianos nonsense---47 to 49% humidity.. NO humidity issue here. I have a Steinway M that sits here and never had sluggish action issues. Period! end of story.
Your demastration at the end sounded more like a electric guitar then a piano. Lol. Noon the the less I'm Glade to know I'm not the only one with that problem. That's man!
Mine the jack is stuck underneath the hammer butt i am thinking it is the felt of the jack that is worn but could be something else i dont know can you help?
It could be that the bridle strap is broken. If you take the action out and the bridle strap is broken, the jack is going to fall underneath the hammer butt felt.
It depends. If you already have the tools and you will be doing the work yourself, then it is probably worth the time to fix it as long as everything else in the piano was in decent working order. If you had to pay a technician to do this on many of the keys, it may not be worth spending the money on.
Keys that have sluggishness in any part of their chain of action parts, from the key stick to the hammer head, will tend to show that sluggishness more when the sustain pedal is depressed. This is because pressing the sustain pedal disengages the damper lever spring, removing it from the equation of forces helping the key to return to it's upright position. Now the sluggishness which was already there, shows itself. There are many possible causes for the sluggishness. See our videos "Diagnosing the sticking piano key" and " Sticking piano keys caused by sluggish or tight action parts".
If you’d chosen the frame gap on the action to point to the jack and butt, it would’ve been easier for the uninitiated to see what you were pointing to. Otherwise , a good video.
The cost will vary depending on certain variables. We sell a book that shows the number of hours it will take for different repair jobs on the piano: www.howardpianoindustries.com/the-piano-technicians-guide/. From there, you can determine what your hourly rate will be and multiply the hours by your rate.
If you're asking how to remove the keys, you would take the action out of the piano and then the keys will lift up off of the keypins that they are sitting on.
If the dampers don't lift when the key is played, it may mean that the damper lever is broken or that the damper spoon is not adjusted correctly. If the dampers don't lift when the pedal is pressed, it probably means that the damper pedal needs to be adjusted.
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Finally a video actually explaining what the issues could be! Well done and love the visuals!
actually helped me to understand the problem!
Thanks for the video. Seeing the action components outside of the piano was very helpful.
I have a single non-repeating key in an otherwise perfectly working upright. Tomorrow I'll try to lubricate the pins you showed and see if it solves the problem after a few days. If not I'll start replacing pins and maybe add weight to that key to try and compensate for the sticking.
Thanks for the video. Can you go in detail how to exactly lubricate a centerpin for a sticking Jack Flange? were do you apply the lubricant and what tools do you use? Thanks
Yes, you would apply the lubricant to the end of the center pin where it is visible on the side of the flange. The lubricant will seep into the felt around the pin. I just use a hypo oiler to apply the lubricant.
What lubricant should I use?
This is the exact problem my 4 year old Chinese Baldwin 165 has, And now I understand the whole re-pinning concept. Thank you!
if thats happening on a 4yo piano you probably have a dampness problem;you need a device to heat up the inside of the piano which will dry out the affected parts;there are expensive devices out there but there are also economy ways to do the same thing
@@samspianos It turned out several jacks had to be re-pinned. I eventually sold the piano.. Kaput finished!
@@ShirleyKirsten No way a 4yo piano should need new pins;the humidity will have been the problem;I have repaired many without repinning;you might bear it in mind with subsequent pianos;you may be living in an area of high humidity etc;pianos should really be kept in a controlled environment so to not upset their parts which are made of wood steel felt etc;
Disagree. Steady humidity between 47 to 49%.. I have a Steinway M 1917.. never needed re-pinning.. I am not in a high humidity environment. Please check out my Steinway you tube vids.. Fabulous performing piano. I would not rank Chinese Baldwin very high. Never again! I consulted many well known high profile techs on this matter, so I have adequate info.
@@samspianos nonsense---47 to 49% humidity.. NO humidity issue here. I have a Steinway M that sits here and never had sluggish action issues. Period! end of story.
Your demastration at the end sounded more like a electric guitar then a piano. Lol. Noon the the less I'm Glade to know I'm not the only one with that problem. That's man!
Mine the jack is stuck underneath the hammer butt i am thinking it is the felt of the jack that is worn but could be something else i dont know can you help?
It could be that the bridle strap is broken. If you take the action out and the bridle strap is broken, the jack is going to fall underneath the hammer butt felt.
@howardpianoind thanks for your answer it was indeed the strap that was broken the leather part was worn out
Is a problem like this on an old Baldwin upright from the 60s worth fixing?
It depends. If you already have the tools and you will be doing the work yourself, then it is probably worth the time to fix it as long as everything else in the piano was in decent working order. If you had to pay a technician to do this on many of the keys, it may not be worth spending the money on.
When I'm using my sustain pedal I have one key that wants to stick until I let off of the sustain, any suggestions?
Keys that have sluggishness in any part of their chain of action parts, from the key stick to the hammer head, will tend to show that sluggishness more when the sustain pedal is depressed. This is because pressing the sustain pedal disengages the damper lever spring, removing it from the equation of forces helping the key to return to it's upright position. Now the sluggishness which was already there, shows itself. There are many possible causes for the sluggishness. See our videos "Diagnosing the sticking piano key" and " Sticking piano keys caused by sluggish or tight action parts".
@@howardpianoind thank you!
If you’d chosen the frame gap on the action to point to the jack and butt, it would’ve been easier for the uninitiated to see what you were pointing to.
Otherwise , a good video.
What would you charge for repining an entire piano?
The cost will vary depending on certain variables. We sell a book that shows the number of hours it will take for different repair jobs on the piano: www.howardpianoindustries.com/the-piano-technicians-guide/. From there, you can determine what your hourly rate will be and multiply the hours by your rate.
How do you remove the bottom key set? I have a spring missing
If you're asking how to remove the keys, you would take the action out of the piano and then the keys will lift up off of the keypins that they are sitting on.
@@howardpianoind thank you very much for the help I managed to get there in the end
I have a ribbon under the jack and that has come away. How can we repair that?
It sounds like you have a broken bridle strap. We have a video for that.
@@howardpianoind Can you provide link please
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Very informative. Thanks.
Thanks for watching!
what causes the damper for the strings not to let off on my player upright ?
PS the hammer is not resting on the back stop looks half pushed
If the dampers don't lift when the key is played, it may mean that the damper lever is broken or that the damper spoon is not adjusted correctly. If the dampers don't lift when the pedal is pressed, it probably means that the damper pedal needs to be adjusted.
cool ! thanks for the Reply ill need to further investagate the isssue hard to see with player part in way !
i got at least 6 or more keys stuck so the are called Jacks ? that's what I order?
If the jacks are too tight you don’t need to replace the jacks, you would just need to ream the bushing and rep in the jack flange.
Wtf why was it so loud I skipped through and it scared me
Can you buy that action part you are showing in the video ?
Yes, we do have replacement whippens available for some models of pianos.
The sudden loudness gave me a heart attack.
Sorry.
you sound like jordan peterson!
I thought that too, it's not that he just kind of sounds like him, it sounds almost identical.
Thanks for selling piano parts to non rpts.
I make thousands a month not knowing what I’m doing at all
Happy to help!
RIP headphone users
Horrible sound.