This tier list is comming in clutch, haven’t had time to play since pre patch, so I’m so interested in this weekly update your talking about. Hope you will do it! 🙏🏼☺️
i dont get why enhance is so left out in the beta or even prepatch a example : resto shaman - elemental shaman now have a 2 min cd on ascendance if they choose so or they can choose 25 % haste , and they have a chance on procing ascendance aswell on the others side enhance , u either choose ascendance that is a 3 minute CD or the proc ascendance . like why cant enhance have both just like the other spec ? even on beta enhance feel like shit u deal no damage at all unless u have tempest proc but that it .
Id have to say enhance shaman lorewise and style wise is probably the most interesting spec to me Its fun to play as well and i would main it but it just gets shit on every single xpac and looks like this one is no different it pains me to say it, but its almost like blizz just wants to delete the spec
Have to agree with this. Played it and played against it. When i play it, it feels like climbing a mountain without your legs. When against it i look at it as a free win in arena and a spec to ignore in blitz. Its basically a fear bot now.
@supatease I feel like a lot of us are going to be interested in making a choice of what to main for the specific purpose of rated blitz (solo/duo with a healer) in TWW and I would love to hear your thoughts a bit closer to release as to what are the top specs to main in this uncoordinated RBG format.
I always feel slightly weird when my main class is OP, but I am not going to lie, I am having an absolute blast with Ele atm haha. For anyone who sees me in there, I promise I am not a FOTM reroller, that character is actually of legal voting age at this point.
Demo lock isn’t S right now. A lot of its abilities are bugged and felguard is doing horrible damage. Doing like 40% less damage than before the patch. All it does is live and CC rn.
Other than getting dispelled by 3 enemies every time you use a defensive and catching a slow or stun for every Avenging Wrath and Divine Steed, Ret is doing a great job standing guard as a spirit in the Graveyard with Forbearance still active.
I love you tier lists, personally. I don't treat them as gospel, but I always learn something valuable. I wouldn't mind seeing more, though this may be a minority opinion.
Hi Supa, there is no good subtlety rogue build right now. The problem isn't the spec itself, but the health and armor increases in Season 4 and this pre-patch. The burst during shadowblades isn't high enough to kill people with 1.6-1.8M health, and outside of that burst subtlety has no sustain, the best thing you can do to contribute to the damage between burst windows is to apply finality rupture. In season 4, these difficulties for killing other players were only against plates, warlocks and druids in bear form. In pre-patch everyone has 60% physical mitigation, so it's normal that subtlety works even worse than in season 4. To compensate for the high physical mitigation, the best option is dark brew build, to deal shadow damage with eviscerate, rupture and sepsis. Some people tried the rotten build with echoing reprimand, but since echoing does physical damage instead of arcane, it's significantly worse than dark brew. The spec has not received new talents to create other builds either, everything is almost the same. It's only the pre-patch, the current damage isn't representative of level 80 with HC talents. However, the HC talents of the class are very bad and weak, they need a lot of changes to even be viable in PvP, so rogue level 80 isn't very good either. Even so, as long as the 3 specs have their control toolkit, they will be viable in bgs to cap flags or control the enemy team, I don't need any damage to be useful in bgs. In arenas and PvE content I think only assa will be used, subtlety doesn't fit well in slow metas, and outlaw has been obliterated from existence.
@@dobro5958 Not really the first step would be to remove all the Cdr bullshit and the covenant abilities from shadowlands. The Cdr has to go its just not good for the game even for tracking Cds its annoying.
Outlaw feels a bit weird,tbh we have constant uptime,energy never fades,dmg ain't that great but for solo rbg it s absolutely great and the waves of cc and endless uptime gives you huge value
@@Yokazz Fistweaver in BFA was the BiS iteration of it because it was Caster majority of the time then pop Crane and fist for a kill window. They butchered the spec by making you choose full fistweaving or full casting.
the thing with these tier lists. If they just buff "kick" to insta kill you, then there you have rogues in God tier. Just like that, you press your cc key and you kill your enemy
I feel like WW is not terrible as supa mentioned it's just that haste is mandatory now. FoF now scales with haste, RSK has a proc chance equal to your haste and the energy regen needs haste in order to the rotation feel as smooth as the last patch. So after I got to 20% haste with some off parts, it feels amazing. My damage is comparable to my full geared Feral and Assass. I think people haven't realised that yet and are still trying to play with their full Mastery gear.
I thought this was obvious, I'm full mastery with some off-crit and I realized the monk is unplayable until I have haste. But I'm curious what these armor nerfs he's talking about?
@@turchiaro I feel that having around 20% is a good number. I'm rocking 19% atm and it feels good with all the energy and chi talents in the build, I got all of them. If I didn't take them, I would need much more I fell like.
I can personally confirm Outlaw may tie with Subtlety as the worst spec in the game for DPS in PVP right now. In fact I think it might be the worst one period. If you see someone seriously attempting to play Outlaw assume they're griefing because this spec does nothing. And as for Subtlety, when Assassination Subterfuge windows are way scarier than Subtlety you know something is really wrong. While it has a shadow damage component to it, it also has a lot of PVP modifier nerfs attached to it still which doesn't create any of its trademark scary burst or pressure situations. Survival Hunter feels really good to play. The burst it can do is surprisingly pretty good, especially if RNG favors you and you get a constant stream of explosive shot procs with grenade throws during Coordinated Assault windows. It's also the most chad spec that impresses girls if they're watching you.
frost mage snow globe lance spec is pretty strong(i call it my battle mage/deadly snow globe) right up in their faces. now if only we have set bonuses to support it more than glacial spike
Outlaw and assassination both lost shadow dance, I would like to see them change their damage profiles in arena away from being in stealth. You get another vanish charge but it just feels terrible
Outlaw gets two charges and a reset. After your burst it should be almost back up for the next one. They kind of have to double down on stealth to keep rogues feeling distinct from other classes without being OP. You can't have outlaw face tanking like a warrior with rogue utility and mobility.
RIP Sub Rogues. One of the most cerebral DPS specs in the game and it hits like a wet noodle now. Rogues are interesting because their toolkits are so good that if you give them an ounce of damage they dominate in many areas of the game. A good alternative may be to significantly boost their damage (to at least bring them back to baseline instead of something like negative 50% since just because they are a "Sub" Rogue doesn't mean they need to do "sub" levels of damage) but give their utility skills (or maybe at least just stuns) since, correct me if I'm wrong but, there aren't any other specs in the game with spammable (or semi spammable since Rogues need stealth, Shadow Dance, Shadowy Duel AKA:Take them away to Narnia, Sepsis, etc.) stuns. This will keep the cool "ninja" and stealthy theme intact but decrease the "perma-stun-until-deathability". They will still be silent but deadly, just not silent but one-shotty. I mean how many times can a character kick you below the belt with a "Cheap Shot" anyway before you wise-up and start wearing a cup when going to a planned fight? Honestly! LOL!
But what is the monk god tier? Is it Mistweaver or Fistweaver? really wan't to know this since i'm doing 2's with a frost dk. I tried resto druid but when you are up against 2 dps combs and they go for you, it feels like you die insta without beeing able to outheal the inc dmg with defensive cd's up and running.
Monk got a lot of extra fun utility/movement abilities. I think fistweaver is the more supported spec atm in terms of tuning, but you tend to eat cc as that spec a lot and it feels bad to play sometimes if you can't get uptime
my rsham has certainly not felt weaker than a druid. Outside of cyclone, they feel like the inferior healer. And my CC has longer range now. instant cast healing rains are back btw. Downpour is super strong and reliable. It heals for like 200k+, instant, ZERO mana cost. They need to be in the rain sure but what else is new with rsham.
Aw man, poor rogues. Hey, Supa, could you do a top four best classes for your roster (and reasons) when TWW gets closer to release? It's fun to contemplate your top 4 classes you're picking for TWW.
I'd move down the mages, and up the hunters/ret. I think sub is bugged because you're just doing physical dmg even with the shadow talents that's supposed to convert the dmg.
Elemental is tanky??? Damn, I suck then. I get mowed down by melee. I pop all my cooldowns and I still die. Devastation evoker, warrior, Dh all impossible to outcast. I was looking really for it to playing elemental but started to really hate it.
idk what mm hunters are you guys seeing lol but with my mm I'm pumping like 50m dps average blitz, always top 3 damage and kills, they're buffed af lol (btw I'm just average 2.1mmr hunter, not even close at pro)
I don't agree. It still feels stupidly broken in BGs. I play one. I would honestly nerf them EVEN NOW... Now imagine armor change wouldn't happen. 1.2m aimed shots instead of 350k non crit? Its cringe... And the shadow arrow is still hitting for 1m easily... Its 1 min WW monk rotation in 1 ability...
@@bammuh4279there were aome honor badges you could buy from the honor vendor in valdrakken to send to your alts. I don't know if this has changed since the prepatch, but it's worth taking a look.
All you have to do is a 5 minute video updating beta fixes on the tier list. Just need the initial tier list done then just working off of the same list updating it.
I don't really agree at all for warlock, both affli and demo feel fairly weak to me, much much weaker damage-wise than before pre-patch in any case, warlock looks like a lot of their power is going to be in hero talents that aren't available yet. WW also feels decent, I'd put it B imo, definitely playable. Edit: Also aug in A tier what the fuck lmao.. aug is literally useless 0 damage 0 utility
Mistweaver still has lots of mana issues like whole DF. Gonna be ass again at lvl 80! Druids and Prevokers sitting on 60% mana whilst Mistweaver is oom!
Yeah. MM is Lame As Shit. The armor problem means this pre patch is not to really be enjoyed - let alone taken seriously unless you are playing a “god tier” spec. Don’t get me started on ENH.
Sub is D tier. So sad but i will stick with it. Atleast on the bright side that Palumor wont make that 1 shot video anymore atm. Its damn annoying. All he did is pick the weakest leather class and get all combo points to make a perfect 1 shot video while other class has all these passive heals that wont die in 1 shot. Now Sub is unplayable because of these unhealthy video. Even Pikaboo tried to cheese those 1400-1500mmr without using trinket and defensive in 1 shot. Now he has to play Assa instead Sub.
Really always you guys put Tet high A or S, but in the end we aint that great... we like rogues. So we can be good in good hands, but we do have the fact we can counter the other S... Look at the list... all the A and S specs can beat a ret easy...
After playing a bit more I'd def bump Frost Mage up to A Tier and Arcane up to S tier.
Lmao yeah arcane literally melts people rn.
Arcane is BUSTED lol
This tier list is comming in clutch, haven’t had time to play since pre patch, so I’m so interested in this weekly update your talking about. Hope you will do it! 🙏🏼☺️
I'm also interested, I'd watch and like every video.
An instant proc from the ele shaman does more than my caos bolts
They swarmed it all. BGs, arenas ... they cheesing through my Holy Priest like nothing.
@@ZahryD for real. it made me quit healing for now. I cant keep up with this bs.
Yes elemental shammies are crazy now. and RBG's are full of them which tells u everything.
Yeah it's kinda insane, my sham and warlock are similar gear coming back from season 1, and chaos bolt max was 130k and max lava burst was 170k
Meanwhile mind blast does 30k dmg
Been looking forward to this. Thanks for making these and can't wait to see more!
i dont get why enhance is so left out in the beta or even prepatch a example : resto shaman - elemental shaman now have a 2 min cd on ascendance if they choose so or they can choose 25 % haste , and they have a chance on procing ascendance aswell on the others side enhance , u either choose ascendance that is a 3 minute CD or the proc ascendance . like why cant enhance have both just like the other spec ? even on beta enhance feel like shit u deal no damage at all unless u have tempest proc but that it .
its bs to not have the DRE and asc cd like they can :( wouild be sick
yeah its kinda bs
Agree
Id have to say enhance shaman lorewise and style wise is probably the most interesting spec to me
Its fun to play as well and i would main it but it just gets shit on every single xpac and looks like this one is no different
it pains me to say it, but its almost like blizz just wants to delete the spec
@@stocky9803 totally agree with you
dunno how uve got demo in A on pre patch the dmg just isnt there.
Have to agree with this. Played it and played against it. When i play it, it feels like climbing a mountain without your legs. When against it i look at it as a free win in arena and a spec to ignore in blitz. Its basically a fear bot now.
@supatease I feel like a lot of us are going to be interested in making a choice of what to main for the specific purpose of rated blitz (solo/duo with a healer) in TWW and I would love to hear your thoughts a bit closer to release as to what are the top specs to main in this uncoordinated RBG format.
Thanks Supa! Been waiting on this
I always feel slightly weird when my main class is OP, but I am not going to lie, I am having an absolute blast with Ele atm haha. For anyone who sees me in there, I promise I am not a FOTM reroller, that character is actually of legal voting age at this point.
Stop the cap
thats something a patch note re roller would say. real g's move in silence
Demo lock isn’t S right now. A lot of its abilities are bugged and felguard is doing horrible damage. Doing like 40% less damage than before the patch. All it does is live and CC rn.
The earth shield purge eactually makes sense with the changes to the stacks and the mechanic behind it based on stacks and reapply etc .
I would definitely watch a weekly update, but I understand either way. Specific RBG Blitz Solo Que tier lists plz.
Appreciate the tier list! Will be trying to get back into WoW for this xpac! Keep it up!
Specing into oblivion I've found gives me that kill power when I need it as affliction.
Other than getting dispelled by 3 enemies every time you use a defensive and catching a slow or stun for every Avenging Wrath and Divine Steed, Ret is doing a great job standing guard as a spirit in the Graveyard with Forbearance still active.
BEEN AWHILE BRO! Can’t wait to get back into the game and into these Supatier lists!!!!! Love you my dude 🦾🥷🏿👍🏿
I love you tier lists, personally. I don't treat them as gospel, but I always learn something valuable. I wouldn't mind seeing more, though this may be a minority opinion.
Yes I would like the weekly updates!
Need that beta tier list!
Im down for the weekly tier list
@supatease can we do bi weekly tier lists?
Hi Supa, there is no good subtlety rogue build right now. The problem isn't the spec itself, but the health and armor increases in Season 4 and this pre-patch. The burst during shadowblades isn't high enough to kill people with 1.6-1.8M health, and outside of that burst subtlety has no sustain, the best thing you can do to contribute to the damage between burst windows is to apply finality rupture.
In season 4, these difficulties for killing other players were only against plates, warlocks and druids in bear form. In pre-patch everyone has 60% physical mitigation, so it's normal that subtlety works even worse than in season 4.
To compensate for the high physical mitigation, the best option is dark brew build, to deal shadow damage with eviscerate, rupture and sepsis. Some people tried the rotten build with echoing reprimand, but since echoing does physical damage instead of arcane, it's significantly worse than dark brew.
The spec has not received new talents to create other builds either, everything is almost the same. It's only the pre-patch, the current damage isn't representative of level 80 with HC talents. However, the HC talents of the class are very bad and weak, they need a lot of changes to even be viable in PvP, so rogue level 80 isn't very good either. Even so, as long as the 3 specs have their control toolkit, they will be viable in bgs to cap flags or control the enemy team, I don't need any damage to be useful in bgs.
In arenas and PvE content I think only assa will be used, subtlety doesn't fit well in slow metas, and outlaw has been obliterated from existence.
Sub Rogue needs a Rework there is no middle ground with Subs current design either its Op and gets nerfed in like 2-3 weeks or it is garbage.
yeah, prune 90% of their CC and then we can start buffing the damage little by little
@@dobro5958 Not really the first step would be to remove all the Cdr bullshit and the covenant abilities from shadowlands. The Cdr has to go its just not good for the game even for tracking Cds its annoying.
Fuck rogues
Whats is Cdr?
@@dobro5958 Bruh. That's called a warrior.
Outlaw feels a bit weird,tbh we have constant uptime,energy never fades,dmg ain't that great but for solo rbg it s absolutely great and the waves of cc and endless uptime gives you huge value
As opposed to the “reading of the patch notes” just have a tier list up on screen and go over changes. Then just move classes accordingly for beta .
Keeping a eye on warrior, more videos please
mistweavers playing fist or caster?
Caster unless you have a vagina
Thankfully Caster, Fistweaver is the single worst thing happened to this game imo
@@Yokazz x( thats super sad i love fist
@@Yokazz Fistweaver in BFA was the BiS iteration of it because it was Caster majority of the time then pop Crane and fist for a kill window. They butchered the spec by making you choose full fistweaving or full casting.
Yes week to week tier list please!!!
hope shaman stays pretty good. Resto so fun to play
the thing with these tier lists. If they just buff "kick" to insta kill you, then there you have rogues in God tier. Just like that, you press your cc key and you kill your enemy
Is every class still aoe or cleave? Is cc still dead?
Ahh ive been waiting for this sir thx lol
Please do updates! It's important for me :)
I feel like WW is not terrible as supa mentioned it's just that haste is mandatory now.
FoF now scales with haste, RSK has a proc chance equal to your haste and the energy regen needs haste in order to the rotation feel as smooth as the last patch. So after I got to 20% haste with some off parts, it feels amazing. My damage is comparable to my full geared Feral and Assass.
I think people haven't realised that yet and are still trying to play with their full Mastery gear.
How much haste do u think is needed?
I thought this was obvious, I'm full mastery with some off-crit and I realized the monk is unplayable until I have haste. But I'm curious what these armor nerfs he's talking about?
@@turchiaro I feel that having around 20% is a good number. I'm rocking 19% atm and it feels good with all the energy and chi talents in the build, I got all of them. If I didn't take them, I would need much more I fell like.
You want as much haste as possible, I’ve 40% PvP gear and close to 50% pve (only 510 ilvl) as it was purely a PvP toon until a couple of days ago
@@zerrinstoinks65 yes, but for pvp is kinda hard to drop mastery for purely haste. We need more people to test it.
Feel like arcane mage should be a tad higher. it is mega pumping right now
I can personally confirm Outlaw may tie with Subtlety as the worst spec in the game for DPS in PVP right now. In fact I think it might be the worst one period. If you see someone seriously attempting to play Outlaw assume they're griefing because this spec does nothing. And as for Subtlety, when Assassination Subterfuge windows are way scarier than Subtlety you know something is really wrong. While it has a shadow damage component to it, it also has a lot of PVP modifier nerfs attached to it still which doesn't create any of its trademark scary burst or pressure situations.
Survival Hunter feels really good to play. The burst it can do is surprisingly pretty good, especially if RNG favors you and you get a constant stream of explosive shot procs with grenade throws during Coordinated Assault windows. It's also the most chad spec that impresses girls if they're watching you.
And by the way what are the amour changes i havent heard nothing last i checked we was nerfed
More tier lists please!
I am a blitz battleground player so I am glad it stuck around.
SV has two stuns, two AoE stuns if they want. AoE Root, slow and disarm. They have knockbacks too. What crack you smoking? Gimme some.
What is the 2 aoe stuns they have?
@@sebastianstrandberg3476 binding shot, + intimidation can aoe stun if you take the talent
Can't be a supatease video without saying shadow is s tier
Demo isn’t S on prepatch because of the armor issue. I’d say A
frost mage snow globe lance spec is pretty strong(i call it my battle mage/deadly snow globe) right up in their faces. now if only we have set bonuses to support it more than glacial spike
Outlaw and assassination both lost shadow dance, I would like to see them change their damage profiles in arena away from being in stealth. You get another vanish charge but it just feels terrible
Outlaw gets two charges and a reset. After your burst it should be almost back up for the next one.
They kind of have to double down on stealth to keep rogues feeling distinct from other classes without being OP.
You can't have outlaw face tanking like a warrior with rogue utility and mobility.
Outlaw feels good to play in both live and beta but it lacks the dmg of other stuff like it tickles pretty fast but you know it still tickles
Wouldn't do it weekly. Think it will be hard to determine whats what when TWW starts :)
Weekly tier list would be nice
RIP Sub Rogues.
One of the most cerebral DPS specs in the game and it hits like a wet noodle now. Rogues are interesting because their toolkits are so good that if you give them an ounce of damage they dominate in many areas of the game. A good alternative may be to significantly boost their damage (to at least bring them back to baseline instead of something like negative 50% since just because they are a "Sub" Rogue doesn't mean they need to do "sub" levels of damage) but give their utility skills (or maybe at least just stuns) since, correct me if I'm wrong but, there aren't any other specs in the game with spammable (or semi spammable since Rogues need stealth, Shadow Dance, Shadowy Duel AKA:Take them away to Narnia, Sepsis, etc.) stuns. This will keep the cool "ninja" and stealthy theme intact but decrease the "perma-stun-until-deathability". They will still be silent but deadly, just not silent but one-shotty. I mean how many times can a character kick you below the belt with a "Cheap Shot" anyway before you wise-up and start wearing a cup when going to a planned fight? Honestly! LOL!
Good
I don’t think I’ve ever seen an Aug evoker in the last month in arenas xD
Ele sham needs its own tier lol
Any particular class(es) that is/are currently way under or overrated here because of hero talents/etc in TWW?
i think outlaw is bad af with his hero talents
@@memofreire video makes it sound like WW will be better as well, but i wonder how much better.
But what is the monk god tier? Is it Mistweaver or Fistweaver? really wan't to know this since i'm doing 2's with a frost dk. I tried resto druid but when you are up against 2 dps combs and they go for you, it feels like you die insta without beeing able to outheal the inc dmg with defensive cd's up and running.
Asking the real questions I see lol. I haven't played in a couple of months, but debating on starting new xpac with my fistweaver or FDK
Monk got a lot of extra fun utility/movement abilities. I think fistweaver is the more supported spec atm in terms of tuning, but you tend to eat cc as that spec a lot and it feels bad to play sometimes if you can't get uptime
my rsham has certainly not felt weaker than a druid. Outside of cyclone, they feel like the inferior healer. And my CC has longer range now.
instant cast healing rains are back btw. Downpour is super strong and reliable. It heals for like 200k+, instant, ZERO mana cost. They need to be in the rain sure but what else is new with rsham.
Thank god, now I can reroll. Thanks Mr.Tease.
Aw man, poor rogues. Hey, Supa, could you do a top four best classes for your roster (and reasons) when TWW gets closer to release? It's fun to contemplate your top 4 classes you're picking for TWW.
I'd move down the mages, and up the hunters/ret. I think sub is bugged because you're just doing physical dmg even with the shadow talents that's supposed to convert the dmg.
Elemental is tanky??? Damn, I suck then. I get mowed down by melee. I pop all my cooldowns and I still die. Devastation evoker, warrior, Dh all impossible to outcast. I was looking really for it to playing elemental but started to really hate it.
Hmm surv hunter needs looking at the damage is crazy strong explosive shot hitting like 320k in pre patch is stupid right now
wheres assass
I've played only ww since the prepatch dropped. I thought I was doing something wrong with builds it felt so trash, lmao
Ele will eat a massive nerf, is to god like in pre pratch xD
Let's go!
Survival feels craaazy
MW monk - glad to see it on top
Been playing with my mates enhance, he does 130k dps to an eles 150k in a 2s scenario. Its probably low A
MM not in S tier?
Hi, sub rogue here, im just crying, but good video hahaha
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how's ele doing :)
idk what mm hunters are you guys seeing lol but with my mm I'm pumping like 50m dps average blitz, always top 3 damage and kills, they're buffed af lol (btw I'm just average 2.1mmr hunter, not even close at pro)
Thanks for not putting all the tanks in f tier like others do
Welcome back enhancement shaman - forever B tier spec :)
I’m hating my mm hunter rn.. but loving my Ret
Personally I feel like they shit on windwalker in general. Why rework something that doesn’t need to be reworked
These lists are opinion based
Demo as of right now does no damage everyone else doubles it
MM feels reeeally weak offensively atm
100% been doing some bgs. Fully geared bis pvp and I have hard time killing shit compared to any of my mele or obv my mage lmao
Finally, enough with those spiner / rapid fire one shots, on the Bin boys, on the bin
I don't agree. It still feels stupidly broken in BGs. I play one.
I would honestly nerf them EVEN NOW... Now imagine armor change wouldn't happen. 1.2m aimed shots instead of 350k non crit? Its cringe...
And the shadow arrow is still hitting for 1m easily... Its 1 min WW monk rotation in 1 ability...
@@dobro5958 I’m sorry, but I don’t believe you.
@@TheJagerbomb17 I dont care, you can queue for a BG and if you are fully geared you will see it yourself.
After nerfs arcane mage is unplayable. And I don’t like missiles on procs
How do I send my alt honor?
You will be able to in the currency tab, but Blizz have it disabled this week due to some bugs
@@Agonius darn I wanted to gear my ele sham 😞
@@bammuh4279there were aome honor badges you could buy from the honor vendor in valdrakken to send to your alts. I don't know if this has changed since the prepatch, but it's worth taking a look.
You can just buy loot boxes and send them to your alt
All you have to do is a 5 minute video updating beta fixes on the tier list. Just need the initial tier list done then just working off of the same list updating it.
I don't really agree at all for warlock, both affli and demo feel fairly weak to me, much much weaker damage-wise than before pre-patch in any case, warlock looks like a lot of their power is going to be in hero talents that aren't available yet. WW also feels decent, I'd put it B imo, definitely playable.
Edit: Also aug in A tier what the fuck lmao.. aug is literally useless 0 damage 0 utility
Mistweaver still has lots of mana issues like whole DF. Gonna be ass again at lvl 80! Druids and Prevokers sitting on 60% mana whilst Mistweaver is oom!
Yeah. MM is Lame As Shit. The armor problem means this pre patch is not to really be enjoyed - let alone taken seriously unless you are playing a “god tier” spec. Don’t get me started on ENH.
bdk main since arthas
Sub is D tier. So sad but i will stick with it. Atleast on the bright side that Palumor wont make that 1 shot video anymore atm. Its damn annoying. All he did is pick the weakest leather class and get all combo points to make a perfect 1 shot video while other class has all these passive heals that wont die in 1 shot. Now Sub is unplayable because of these unhealthy video. Even Pikaboo tried to cheese those 1400-1500mmr without using trinket and defensive in 1 shot. Now he has to play Assa instead Sub.
Really always you guys put Tet high A or S, but in the end we aint that great... we like rogues. So we can be good in good hands, but we do have the fact we can counter the other S...
Look at the list... all the A and S specs can beat a ret easy...
Prepatch feels pretty shit tbh. I wish they could just leave the gameplay how it was until war within release date
they been nerfing rogue every patch until you cant even play the pvp class in pvp. everything is just PVE
more cahnges to come
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Ugh supatease no timestamps? Cmon maaan
bm hunter right now is doing no damage spec is gutted compared to how it has been the previous seasons it's in a bad spot
Man i love playing enhance and ele. But i can tell they're going to get nuked here soon.
You have assa above survival hunter lmao!
BM is D tier on my "aggro" disc i 2x the damage of BM, bm on the same raw as mage yeah NO
Surv and Ele OHHHH boy so much weeeeeeeeeeeeeed !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Destro is definitely better than demo
Bro assa is trash rn how do you have it as an A lmao
remove tanks from PvP.. we were 4 dps spending 2+ minutes to kill a guardian druid. wtf.
rogues dmg hasnt been this bad in years lol
week to week plz!!