The CS-80 inherited the inverted faders from its precursor, the mammoth GX-1 electric organ. As organ draw-bars are pulled out to increase their parameters, electric organs kept faders inverted to make them intuitive for organists. Here's a Yamaha employee explaining it; there's a bunch of other cool stuff there too. ua-cam.com/video/defrQ8_Q1yU/v-deo.html
Nice find! I can just imagine the CS-80 design by committee meeting compromise - organ guys get the bottom row, synth guys get the top two rows, users be damned... Team Synth: but won't the organists be confused? Team Organ: don't worry, they'll never use the top two rows, they'll stick with the presets"
@@loopop From my experience, the top sliders were just that ... sliders ... whereas the lower levers felt like joysticks - so like a plane, as you pulled back, the effect went up. It might sound weird, and I can see how it will feel strange when they are all sliders, but on the original, it actually makes perfect sense. Like you say, the CS series was all about intuitive interactions, and it only really makes sense with the actual original inputs. I had my CS60 for 40 years, and it was my first synth as a kid, so maybe I was used to it from the start, but really ... when you pull on the original levers it all makes sense and actually is more intuitive. There are the kinds of things ... lost in time ... like tears in the rain, that do make a difference with the obscenely expensive hardware when you've been lucky enough to just get used to it that way. Just the way I always experienced it, YMMV etc ☺️👍👍 PS - really great review - made me look at it in a different way - and, like I say, I had a 60 for a while 🙏
@@DoctorJezz - Great insight! Since most of us never had one or a variant thereof, we can only marvel at the whys and wherefores. But the aviation paradigm makes absolute sense when you think about it. Combined with the organ user mode and it really is logical after all. And, now I'm jonsing for a kit. I'm thinking it would be easy to add a ring modulator while building, too.
I can see now on the Arturia software version of the CS-80 that the 'reversed sliders' aren't sliders at all, but levers. And then it all makes sense. It's the design choice of Deckard's Dream that contributes to the confusion.
You are a seriously good reviewer. I’ve learned a lot by looking at your videos. It’s amazing that a vintage synth was this powerful. Even more impressive were the operators who made music and sound effects with adeptness.
I would never spend this money. But I absolutely love your videos and the way you do them with the chapters clearly indexed and the scopes demonstrating your points. Your voice is clear and just fast enough. Your explanations are never over my head and you clarify your points very well. Thank you for another excellent video.
Very nicely accomplished review of a clearly great synth. Thanks very much! At one point (at the end of a tiring day) I nodded off to sleep to the sounds. Found myself briefly dreaming of a silver unicorn for some reason ...
For those like myself who can't afford the hardware synths, the Memorymoon ME-80 is an excellent cheap way to get a pretty accurate CS-80 VST (complete with aftertouch).
Such a kind statement mate, thank you. I can assure you I think the upmost of your playing and am dumbfounded at how you consistently make such thorough yet entertaining videos about such complex stuff Man. Sending lots of love and respect ✊
Guess that’s about to change with the Expressive E, Hydrasynth keyboard and Behringer’s forthcoming CS80 keyboard (which we might see implemented on other synths) on the horizon.
I totally agree - it's a great modulation option. We should be demanding it on all keybeds. I also have high hopes for the osmose by expressive e. I almost think that the hydrasynth is a modern extension of what the cs-80 started. It certainly seems like the designers were inspired by it!
I think a lot of that is due to how a lot of modern setups are structured. I know that in my setup setting up aftertouch is _possible_ but quite a hassle. Plus a lot of producers will work quite a lot with automation data from their DAW, making physical control via aftertouch not quite as important. And as a result of not a lot of people using aftertouch in their normal workflow it isn't exactly high on the priority list for synth designers. I guess in a lot of cases there's just not sufficient justification for the additional cost of implementing the feature to the same extend as here.
Beautiful synth,lovely setup,with the CXM 78 and LinnStrument 128. VERY WELL demonstrated and that first outro really is something special.Thank you. :)
Potential explanation for the lower sliders. Back when the BBC designed and built its own sound desks, the faders on those were often open when down. This came about after someone fell asleep at the desk and opened a load of faders when they fell on them accidentally putting them on air. Having them the wrong way meant people were less likely to accidentally put stuff on air by knocking faders. I'm guessing the bottom row of faders on Deckard's is more likely to be accidentally knocked and having them backwards means faders on that row are more often towards the closed end and in this case away from the keyboard. Just a theory. And an excuse to tell a good story :)
On the CS synths, these were levers and not faders. They operated more akin to the drawbars on a Hammond organ, or more directly, like the organ controls on the Yamaha GX-1 organ which were designed to mimic the Hammond drawbars.
That CME X-Key is a great board. I have both the 25 and 32 key versions. Great for playing expressively and fast. Once you get used to the "chicklet" style keys, you can absolutely shred on it.. Slips into a backpack and easy to travel with.
I also have the CME X-Key 25 and the 37. They're great boards and my 37 has traveled all over the world. Perfectly portable and with full-size keys. Thinner than a MacBook Pro. That Poly AT is so great.
Wonderful review! Having owned a real CS-80 years ago, I can attest it does sound like the real thing, however more stable. The real one occasionally misplaces a note or the voice boards detune easily and whatever voiceboard is playing the same note may sound a bit different. Maybe they do add this as a "vintage knob" feature in the future :)
Very nice. What's often lost on people is that while the CS-80 can sound expressive, if one listens to his catalog, Vangelis music was as expressive as any keyboard player over the last 50 years, regardless of what synth or instrument he was playing.
@@konstantinivanov1986 I can literally do ANYTHING with the hydrasynth. Any sound I can imagine or hear or anything I want to expire this with. It does it all. I MIGHT buy a multiMoog but that is a huge maybe...
Thanks loopop for putting this one together! I hope Black Corporation send you their other synths to review as well! Reviews like this make it a lot easier to decide on a big spend!
The intonation issue in the pros and cons section - this has totally analog vcos, and as such, they are extremely finicky about intonation. Turning it on some 20-30 minutes before using it is a very good idea, and running the tuning routine will become... well, routine. And don't be afraid to run the whole vco calibration thing often - it should be done after the thing is well warmed up, and allow some 10 minutes or so for it to do it's thing, but it can work wonders.
Sounds amazing. Considering how costly, ludicrously weighty, bulky and temperamental the thing is - basically none of us will ever own or likely WANT to own an original unless your some sort of wealthy, synth loving sadomasochist. This looks like a real winner. I'd love to own one of these. That brassy, Blade Runner sound is just amazing and timeless.
What do you expect for your $2.5k dollars? - ho ho, well for me that would be at least full size 61 proper poly AT keys, full size ribbon and full size controls and modern digital control for at least 120 presets minimum. Then I wouldn't be too bothered by the need for a powerful magnifying glass for the LCD.
That song you played at the end..... Man, that was pretty funny bably one of the most ridiculously amazing songs I've heard in a while, and your usage of the polyphonic aftertouch really produced something special. I don't always listen to the whole ending jam, but I was sad that one ended... (and I mean the first of the two ending jams, with the sequencer running)
Amazing, insightful demonstration as usual. Absolutely stunning instrument. I have my eye on a Kijimi, would love if you could do a review/demonstration before I re-mortgage the house and take the plunge : )
That would be incredible! I wish at least having leds to indicate fader/knob position was more of a thing - they can’t be that complicated or expensive. (Whereas I can see how motorized faders probably add a fair bit of space.) I would take them even on synths without endless encoders because they would still be useful!
15:46 about sliders going up and down depending on the top or on the bottom row: I think the idea was inspired by the way pedals are acting on an organ or piano: you increase modulation (or volume or effect) by pressing them down... anyway, that's the mental trick I used when playing on one of my (lucky) friend's CS (sadly, never owned one)
@@KRAFTWERK2K6 that's what I am doing for the obx.the solina looks and sounds pretty cool too.my guess it wont be the 4000 that the deckards dreams commands...
@@jasonmcgary Yeah that OBX one is also worth the wait :) Deckard's dream really is as expensive as a unicorn. Behringer's replicants will be at least affordable.
I seriously doubt that Deckard‘s Dream absence has anything to do with scalpers. The guys just don‘t produce that many since it‘s very expensive. Also you rarely see one of those on an online market place. Probably same as with Benson Amps: big demand but they want to keep the production local.
Seems like it sounds better than MKI. I think it's so expensive because they are paying consumer prices on components. Thanks for the in depth overview and review.
I love this combination of gear, Deckard's Dream with the CXM1978 and the XKey controller and the Lynn Instrument both with polyphonic aftertouch! I just bought the XKey, now I need the rest!
It sounds great but (for me) at that price it should, at the very least, have the 'sliding ribbon' that made the Cs-80 sounds famous (Vangelis/Bladerunner). I'll wait for the Behringer clone and see how that goes.
I think the reversed bottom row sliders are mimicking the paddles on the bottom row in original CS series. They worked like organ stops - closer to you is more.
There are so few good demos of this. This review gives me a better idea of what it can sound like than anything else I can find. Paul Schilling's Soundcloud stuff seems to be all really retro oriented.
Mmm that is a very nicely tamed resonance. Adds character without getting nasty. This seems like an ultimate ambient texture synth, esp when paired with an MPE controller and a couple pedals.
When mentioning MPE controllers, don't forget the Sensel Morph! And as mentioned before, I found it strange that you didn't mention the Hydrasynth, as it has a polyphonic aftertouch keybed (as you are aware). Those two points aside, again another excellent review!
Hydrasynth is one of my favorite synths, but it's not a standalone controller. That said the comment section is exactly the place to add to the review :) Sensel Morph is great for wiggling three dimensions but doesn't work well IMHO in terms of targeted pitch bends (I just saw they updated their firmware yesterday and may have addressed this point but haven't check it yet).
Nice feature walkthrough! - Love my Xkey37s paired with the Hydrasynth which of course allows you to assign pAT to as many functions as you like using the Mod Matrix ... I especially use it for switching layers on and off as well as the usual filter - but also things like Stepped LFO speed ... some of that used here
Sliders up side down comes from organ draw bars, which in turn come from organ stops.I guess Yamaha though organists would be the target audience? You can see mention of feet as well, which is another organ reference.
This has been on my radar for about a year. If the Eaganmatrix/Osmose and the eventual MPE in the Super 6 don't do it for me, I might get one of these. But I am going to wait and see if I'm not satisfied with the other two first, since that could save me the down payment on a Moog One XD (I kid with that last part, pay for your synths in cash kids, no matter how tempting the credit offers may be).
The Osmose looks very good, and is relatively cheap with its 1800 Euros. The synth engine is, of course, digital, but that's the same with the FX box here..
The sounds of the CS-80 and Deckard's dream are like waves gently crashing agains the shores. A somewhat gentle sound that carries a lot of power. Loved the outro. I know you are a fan of the Continuum, are you getting the Osmose too?
@@ChromeGhost I have high hopes for the osmose! I like that they’re at least trying something new. I’m hoping they’re on target for the end of spring. (I am very glad that they didn’t try to rush it out if it wasn’t ready.) And I second what you said, the outros were both incredible.
This and the CS80 before, has a real musical softness that is hard to find in analogue, I think a good mid and high end is something most makers since the CS80 haven't focused on much or at all
Ok I'm letting folks know who want to try this out and perhaps Loopop can test it out on video. Equipment Required: Osmose, Meris LVX and Deckard's Dream and MIDI cables. I guess maybe other MPE controllers will work similarly. MIDI connect from Osmose out to DD input and then connect the DD MIDI thru to LVX MIDI input. Your slider CC=1 will become your LVX modulation mixer which is awesome. Set the Osmose to MPE mode and set Osmose aftertouch option to CC=88. This will control the LVX modulation parameter (1). Here's those options (Chorus, Flanger, D.Flanger, Ring Mod, Barberpole, Granulize, Cassette). The parameter CC=88 aftertouch controls frequency, speed, tape slip, gain size as are associated with those options listed. Whenever you activate aftertouch using various pressure some amazing stuff happens making the DD come to afterlife. Let me know what you think.
Even if Behringer made one at a more sensible price, I'd probably skip over it anyway unless they made it cheap enough and added a hefty patchbay and more useful stuff. I'd prefer they make a Jupiter-8 "clone" as pimped out as the Deepmind.
As an owner of a Mk 1 - excellent review ( as always ). While the community around the product is strong, I have not always had great experiences with support from Black Corp. Not sure if it is still the case, but Facebook was the only way to do some communications in the past, and for some folks that is a non starter. Can be challenging for an almost $4k instrument
Great review. I have the kit on a shelf waiting for my hands to heal. Maybe in the near future you'll let us know what you think of the Deckard's Dream Expander.
Probably has Deckard's dream hooked up to PC and the keyboard is wireless Bluetooth to the PC as well, in Ableton you can play External instruments with any midi device.
Ouch! My Arturia Collection just paid for itself and left plenty of room for a new monster Host PC with Googles of RAM and SSD. Still nice that somebody revives this classic synth and that Loopop could show us it's glory! Very cool! Praise and many thanks to Loopop!
Why did they leave out the ring mod again? If you've ever played a CS-series synth, you know how musically useful it is. It's an absolutely essential part.
Great walkthrough. I'm thinking I'll hold out for the Behringer DS-80. At a pricetag of $3749 for the Mk2, I'd expect a polyphonic aftertouch keyboard, 61 keys, 8+ voices and tight integration with an Italian espresso machine.
The CS-80 inherited the inverted faders from its precursor, the mammoth GX-1 electric organ. As organ draw-bars are pulled out to increase their parameters, electric organs kept faders inverted to make them intuitive for organists.
Here's a Yamaha employee explaining it; there's a bunch of other cool stuff there too.
ua-cam.com/video/defrQ8_Q1yU/v-deo.html
Nice find! I can just imagine the CS-80 design by committee meeting compromise - organ guys get the bottom row, synth guys get the top two rows, users be damned... Team Synth: but won't the organists be confused? Team Organ: don't worry, they'll never use the top two rows, they'll stick with the presets"
@@loopop From my experience, the top sliders were just that ... sliders ... whereas the lower levers felt like joysticks - so like a plane, as you pulled back, the effect went up. It might sound weird, and I can see how it will feel strange when they are all sliders, but on the original, it actually makes perfect sense. Like you say, the CS series was all about intuitive interactions, and it only really makes sense with the actual original inputs. I had my CS60 for 40 years, and it was my first synth as a kid, so maybe I was used to it from the start, but really ... when you pull on the original levers it all makes sense and actually is more intuitive. There are the kinds of things ... lost in time ... like tears in the rain, that do make a difference with the obscenely expensive hardware when you've been lucky enough to just get used to it that way. Just the way I always experienced it, YMMV etc ☺️👍👍 PS - really great review - made me look at it in a different way - and, like I say, I had a 60 for a while 🙏
@@DoctorJezz - Great insight! Since most of us never had one or a variant thereof, we can only marvel at the whys and wherefores. But the aviation paradigm makes absolute sense when you think about it. Combined with the organ user mode and it really is logical after all. And, now I'm jonsing for a kit. I'm thinking it would be easy to add a ring modulator while building, too.
I can see now on the Arturia software version of the CS-80 that the 'reversed sliders' aren't sliders at all, but levers. And then it all makes sense. It's the design choice of Deckard's Dream that contributes to the confusion.
@@brumd yep. DD should have fixed this. It deviates enough from the original anyway.
"I'm hard-pressed" when discussing aftertouch! You deserve some kind of award for that!
A Deckard’s Dream, that crazy Chase Bliss reverb, and a Linnstrument on the same table? This is your biggest synth flex yet Loopop lmao
lol dang that's a $900 verb
Lol the price of motorized faders I guess lol.
if this was close to $1K I'd have one. It isn't and I don't. And I'm ok with that.For now...
Money doesn’t matter
@@vogelvogeltje lack of money matters though.
Its like a roland boutique made love with a CS-80 and now theres this little guy! Very cool!
You are a seriously good reviewer. I’ve learned a lot by looking at your videos. It’s amazing that a vintage synth was this powerful. Even more impressive were the operators who made music and sound effects with adeptness.
I've been building a Mk1 for about a year, and the 8 voice boards are soooo much work. This video does motivate me to finish it!
I built the whole thing from start to finish in about 2 months during lockdown last year. There was REALLY nothing to do.
I would never spend this money. But I absolutely love your videos and the way you do them with the chapters clearly indexed and the scopes demonstrating your points. Your voice is clear and just fast enough. Your explanations are never over my head and you clarify your points very well. Thank you for another excellent video.
And Arturia’s version?
Check out the J.F. Sebastian plugin, it's pretty interesting... and free
@@ArthurElectric Then there's also Cherry Audio's GX-80, which is mostly a CS-80 emulation but with some of the GX-1 as well...
I dont care what you'll want to spend money on,. I would
Very nicely accomplished review of a clearly great synth. Thanks very much!
At one point (at the end of a tiring day) I nodded off to sleep to the sounds. Found myself briefly dreaming of a silver unicorn for some reason ...
I appreciate how perfectly lined up and parallel everything is set up, in every shot. Also excellent playing!
The struggle is real my brother.
I wanted to buy this, moog one, and the udo super 6. Instead I bought a log cabin kit. I have a house for the same price
Oh well. Better luck next time.
1:46 I love that you termed this a 'replicant' haha 💙 35:35 Your outro 1 is so beautiful! The LinnStrument is fascinating!
I cant believe I’ve missed this out of all the videos of yours I have watched. Great stuff.
For those like myself who can't afford the hardware synths, the Memorymoon ME-80 is an excellent cheap way to get a pretty accurate CS-80 VST (complete with aftertouch).
I love memory moon! So cheap and I think it sounds better than Arturias cs-80v
You can afford anything if you save for it long enough.
Gorgeous sound in the intro! You’re the best Loopop X
You ain't far behind Jack
Far behind...? Jack's way ahead with keyboard skills....
@@loopop Good to see mutual respect
He had me at Bladerunner!
Such a kind statement mate, thank you. I can assure you I think the upmost of your playing and am dumbfounded at how you consistently make such thorough yet entertaining videos about such complex stuff Man. Sending lots of love and respect ✊
don't know why aftertouch hasn't been explored more extensively with modern synths, the cs80 is just such an expressive instrument
Guess that’s about to change with the Expressive E, Hydrasynth keyboard and Behringer’s forthcoming CS80 keyboard (which we might see implemented on other synths) on the horizon.
Creating poly aftertouch is expensive... and the components where unreliable..
I totally agree - it's a great modulation option. We should be demanding it on all keybeds.
I also have high hopes for the osmose by expressive e. I almost think that the hydrasynth is a modern extension of what the cs-80 started. It certainly seems like the designers were inspired by it!
I think a lot of that is due to how a lot of modern setups are structured. I know that in my setup setting up aftertouch is _possible_ but quite a hassle. Plus a lot of producers will work quite a lot with automation data from their DAW, making physical control via aftertouch not quite as important. And as a result of not a lot of people using aftertouch in their normal workflow it isn't exactly high on the priority list for synth designers. I guess in a lot of cases there's just not sufficient justification for the additional cost of implementing the feature to the same extend as here.
Those features were more common in the past but manufacturers discovered they weren't synth sellers so they were easy to cut.
Beautiful synth,lovely setup,with the CXM 78 and LinnStrument 128. VERY WELL demonstrated and that first outro really is something special.Thank you. :)
Potential explanation for the lower sliders. Back when the BBC designed and built its own sound desks, the faders on those were often open when down. This came about after someone fell asleep at the desk and opened a load of faders when they fell on them accidentally putting them on air. Having them the wrong way meant people were less likely to accidentally put stuff on air by knocking faders. I'm guessing the bottom row of faders on Deckard's is more likely to be accidentally knocked and having them backwards means faders on that row are more often towards the closed end and in this case away from the keyboard. Just a theory. And an excuse to tell a good story :)
On the CS synths, these were levers and not faders. They operated more akin to the drawbars on a Hammond organ, or more directly, like the organ controls on the Yamaha GX-1 organ which were designed to mimic the Hammond drawbars.
@@Peter_S_indeed, a lot of those BBC mixers used levers rather than sliders too 😊 with a little rounded cowling following the arc of the knob!
I already bought an artifical cat from Tyrell Corporation, so is there a discount on this one?
I'm sorry only the owl or the snake come with the promotional codes. BTW those that bought the unicorn are eligible for a free dream.
Seriously flexing with that reverb pedal 💪
“Gosh, you’ve really got some nice toys here.”
Sometimes I think I should have named the channel GAS Gone Wild
@Alex Ball you have the S2400 loopop didn't reviewed yet 😜
@@VEsound It's a Blade Runner quote. 😉
@@AlexBallMusic so 2 meanings, excellent 🙃
“I make them! I’m a genetic designer!”
The heaviness of a CS-80 without the heaviness of the CS-80!
But with a heavy price tag of 3700 USD.
@@Aetila I'm holding out for Behringer's replicant of a replicant for $399 next year!
@@REALWARE
Actually, you may know that there's a rumour that they consider working on a Yammy CS80 clone. :-)
@@REALWARE would they really call it a replicant? that seems a little on the nose even for them lol
@@Aetila And the original CS-80 is something like 20k used...
Roland, after seeing that tiny screen: "Challenge accepted"
That CME X-Key is a great board. I have both the 25 and 32 key versions. Great for playing expressively and fast. Once you get used to the "chicklet" style keys, you can absolutely shred on it.. Slips into a backpack and easy to travel with.
This must be what my Stimulus Check is for.
More like two and a half checks.
@@sawyerthereal It'll be fun for the you and the kids too, right honey? Honey? Why are you calling our attorney?
LOL the Stimmy doesn't even cover a quarter of the costs of this thing.
I also have the CME X-Key 25 and the 37. They're great boards and my 37 has traveled all over the world. Perfectly portable and with full-size keys. Thinner than a MacBook Pro. That Poly AT is so great.
This is UNbelievable..!
Oh my gosh I’m completely in love with this synth.
Damn, My Synth want list just got bigger...Must say you have one of the most pleasant review voices out there - please keep up the great work
awesome review. very nice to include those links to more demos and other comparisons.
It does sound nice. The secret sauce is that 'ships foghorn' undertone.
I love it.
Wonderful review! Having owned a real CS-80 years ago, I can attest it does sound like the real thing, however more stable. The real one occasionally misplaces a note or the voice boards detune easily and whatever voiceboard is playing the same note may sound a bit different. Maybe they do add this as a "vintage knob" feature in the future :)
Sometimes I run the full calibration on my unit when it's cold. The tuning gets interesting when you do this.
@@bobrogue i envy you for still having one ;-)
@@morphoice I don't have a cs-80, I live in Tokyo and wouldn't have a place to put my bed.
The Deckard does have a voice detune function in the menu which works very well to simulate the vintage voice card drift!
@@paulschilling2996 that's awesome!
It really is the sound of a generation ay. Everyone hears blade runner but I still hear chariots of fire too. glorious.
Very nice. What's often lost on people is that while the CS-80 can sound expressive, if one listens to his catalog, Vangelis music was as expressive as any keyboard player over the last 50 years, regardless of what synth or instrument he was playing.
Sublime sound at the end. Not sure I’d appreciate it even if I could afford it, but if one needs *that* sound it has it in spades.
Combine this with the asm hydrasynth, poly aftertouch and a ribbon comtroller
I’m a hydrasynth uber nerd and this is exactly what I was thinking!
Hail Hydrasynth🤘
Ditto.
I can do most of it with the Hydra alone. Dont think 4k is worthed. Dont get me wrong its beautiful no doubt.
@@joshuamorganmusic how does the hydrasynth desktop compare to the keyboard version?
@@konstantinivanov1986 I can literally do ANYTHING with the hydrasynth. Any sound I can imagine or hear or anything I want to expire this with. It does it all. I MIGHT buy a multiMoog but that is a huge maybe...
I am glad the Rachel is coming along soon, a CS-80alike is not a CS-80alike without ring mod.
Thanks loopop for putting this one together! I hope Black Corporation send you their other synths to review as well! Reviews like this make it a lot easier to decide on a big spend!
My pleasure :)
The intonation issue in the pros and cons section - this has totally analog vcos, and as such, they are extremely finicky about intonation. Turning it on some 20-30 minutes before using it is a very good idea, and running the tuning routine will become... well, routine. And don't be afraid to run the whole vco calibration thing often - it should be done after the thing is well warmed up, and allow some 10 minutes or so for it to do it's thing, but it can work wonders.
Sounds amazing. Considering how costly, ludicrously weighty, bulky and temperamental the thing is - basically none of us will ever own or likely WANT to own an original unless your some sort of wealthy, synth loving sadomasochist. This looks like a real winner. I'd love to own one of these. That brassy, Blade Runner sound is just amazing and timeless.
This is my favorite review yet.
It’s cool, but I think the OLED needs to be smaller.
Should just be LEDs that flash in binary.
i didnt even realize it was a screen on first pass :) so it is already small enough for me to be completely unusable
Special kind of sadist right here
You are giving a magnifying glass for free.
What do you expect for your $2.5k dollars? - ho ho, well for me that would be at least full size 61 proper poly AT keys, full size ribbon and full size controls and modern digital control for at least 120 presets minimum. Then I wouldn't be too bothered by the need for a powerful magnifying glass for the LCD.
WOW! This is a synth I was waiting for!!!
keep waiting. It doesn't even have the ringmodulator of the CS-80. This clone here is laughably incomplete & overpriced.
That song you played at the end..... Man, that was pretty funny bably one of the most ridiculously amazing songs I've heard in a while, and your usage of the polyphonic aftertouch really produced something special. I don't always listen to the whole ending jam, but I was sad that one ended... (and I mean the first of the two ending jams, with the sequencer running)
Amazing, insightful demonstration as usual.
Absolutely stunning instrument. I have my eye on a Kijimi, would love if you could do a review/demonstration before I re-mortgage the house and take the plunge : )
In for the Behringer version.
The Mark 3 should include the ring mod and motorized faders. 😂
That would be incredible! I wish at least having leds to indicate fader/knob position was more of a thing - they can’t be that complicated or expensive. (Whereas I can see how motorized faders probably add a fair bit of space.) I would take them even on synths without endless encoders because they would still be useful!
Still no ring mod? Geezus...
@@notsure1135 yeah, at least I can see how they made significant changes from the mk1. Hopefully the mk3? That would make this device, in my mind.
The fact that it doesn't even HAVE a ring modulator makes this pricetag for the thing even more ridiculous.. holy shit,... like REALLY...
15:46 about sliders going up and down depending on the top or on the bottom row: I think the idea was inspired by the way pedals are acting on an organ or piano: you increase modulation (or volume or effect) by pressing them down... anyway, that's the mental trick I used when playing on one of my (lucky) friend's CS (sadly, never owned one)
* video up 5 hours
* looked it up online
* Sold out
every time..... Scalpers are always looking on youtube for something to scalp...... Well… let's keep waiting for Behringer's clone.
@@KRAFTWERK2K6 that's what I am doing for the obx.the solina looks and sounds pretty cool too.my guess it wont be the 4000 that the deckards dreams commands...
@@jasonmcgary Yeah that OBX one is also worth the wait :) Deckard's dream really is as expensive as a unicorn. Behringer's replicants will be at least affordable.
I seriously doubt that Deckard‘s Dream absence has anything to do with scalpers. The guys just don‘t produce that many since it‘s very expensive. Also you rarely see one of those on an online market place.
Probably same as with Benson Amps: big demand but they want to keep the production local.
Also the synth was sold out ages before this video was up...
holy cow that reverb sounds good!
Seems like it sounds better than MKI. I think it's so expensive because they are paying consumer prices on components. Thanks for the in depth overview and review.
Another great jam at the end. Great job.
Love the vangelis sounds . you have a nice touch to your music 👍
Such a rich sound warm.
love the casual drops of replicant instead of replica ;)
Well you've done it again. I don't remember any other review mentioning all stuff about aftertouch which is a big part of this synth.
Such a lovely instrument, thanks for the very detailed and as always a inspiring and musical walkthrough. Top notch!
🙌🏻🙏🏻
I love this combination of gear, Deckard's Dream with the CXM1978 and the XKey controller and the Lynn Instrument both with polyphonic aftertouch! I just bought the XKey, now I need the rest!
It sounds great but (for me) at that price it should, at the very least, have the 'sliding ribbon' that made the Cs-80 sounds famous (Vangelis/Bladerunner). I'll wait for the Behringer clone and see how that goes.
Just get that thing he has, its actually better than the CS80 ribbon
Outro 1 was a really wonderful piece of music!
It sounds gorgeous, that's amazing for such a fair price. Thanks for your great review !
I think the reversed bottom row sliders are mimicking the paddles on the bottom row in original CS series. They worked like organ stops - closer to you is more.
Man, Loopop... Your videos are just so amazingly good.
Thanks - glad you like them!
If you liked the Mass Effect game soundtrack, they used the CS-80 by Arturia on the first one. It sounds amazing too.
2 minutes in....sounds absolutely fab.
I love that they called the ring mod module Rachel... can we get a Origami Unicorn Chorus and Tremolo now?
Thick lovely sound, Also comes with a THICK price tag. Would have been nice to have the Hydrasynth Keyboard hooked up to it. Great review as always
Thanks and for sure!
You nailed it, the intro is awesome!
"There aren't any other analogue CS-80 -=REPLICANTS=-" out there... 🤣🤣🤣
Amazing review as always. Love those outros! 🖤
There are so few good demos of this. This review gives me a better idea of what it can sound like than anything else I can find. Paul Schilling's Soundcloud stuff seems to be all really retro oriented.
Great overview of a great sounding cs80 type instrument
Mmm that is a very nicely tamed resonance. Adds character without getting nasty. This seems like an ultimate ambient texture synth, esp when paired with an MPE controller and a couple pedals.
When mentioning MPE controllers, don't forget the Sensel Morph!
And as mentioned before, I found it strange that you didn't mention the Hydrasynth, as it has a polyphonic aftertouch keybed (as you are aware).
Those two points aside, again another excellent review!
Hydrasynth is one of my favorite synths, but it's not a standalone controller. That said the comment section is exactly the place to add to the review :) Sensel Morph is great for wiggling three dimensions but doesn't work well IMHO in terms of targeted pitch bends (I just saw they updated their firmware yesterday and may have addressed this point but haven't check it yet).
Nice feature walkthrough! - Love my Xkey37s paired with the Hydrasynth which of course allows you to assign pAT to as many functions as you like using the Mod Matrix ... I especially use it for switching layers on and off as well as the usual filter - but also things like Stepped LFO speed ... some of that used here
Sliders up side down comes from organ draw bars, which in turn come from organ stops.I guess Yamaha though organists would be the target audience? You can see mention of feet as well, which is another organ reference.
that or pedal input, which might work like a Wah pedal where heel down tip up is filter open
Love it the sounds. Looking forward to the Jupiter-8 clone coming out later this year!!!
"Like tears in rain"🙏thx
This has been on my radar for about a year. If the Eaganmatrix/Osmose and the eventual MPE in the Super 6 don't do it for me, I might get one of these. But I am going to wait and see if I'm not satisfied with the other two first, since that could save me the down payment on a Moog One XD (I kid with that last part, pay for your synths in cash kids, no matter how tempting the credit offers may be).
The Osmose looks very good, and is relatively cheap with its 1800 Euros. The synth engine is, of course, digital, but that's the same with the FX box here..
I really love your reviews. For example you got right to the poly aftertouch which was a big factor.
The sounds of the CS-80 and Deckard's dream are like waves gently crashing agains the shores. A somewhat gentle sound that carries a lot of power. Loved the outro. I know you are a fan of the Continuum, are you getting the Osmose too?
I hope we see a loopop review of the Osmose!
Thanks very much re the outro! Yes, I'm very much interested in getting my hands on Osmose, I have no idea when that will happen unfortunately
@@loopop hey when you edit a comment it removes the heart? I mean to say gentle instead of general 😆
I take it you preordered?
@@ChromeGhost I have high hopes for the osmose! I like that they’re at least trying something new. I’m hoping they’re on target for the end of spring. (I am very glad that they didn’t try to rush it out if it wasn’t ready.)
And I second what you said, the outros were both incredible.
@@ChromeGhost I guess editing removes the heart so I reinstated it ;) I didn’t pre order but one way or another I’ll get my hands on one
This and the CS80 before, has a real musical softness that is hard to find in analogue, I think a good mid and high end is something most makers since the CS80 haven't focused on much or at all
Ok I'm letting folks know who want to try this out and perhaps Loopop can test it out on video. Equipment Required: Osmose, Meris LVX and Deckard's Dream and MIDI cables. I guess maybe other MPE controllers will work similarly. MIDI connect from Osmose out to DD input and then connect the DD MIDI thru to LVX MIDI input. Your slider CC=1 will become your LVX modulation mixer which is awesome. Set the Osmose to MPE mode and set Osmose aftertouch option to CC=88. This will control the LVX modulation parameter (1). Here's those options (Chorus, Flanger, D.Flanger, Ring Mod, Barberpole, Granulize, Cassette). The parameter CC=88 aftertouch controls frequency, speed, tape slip, gain size as are associated with those options listed. Whenever you activate aftertouch using various pressure some amazing stuff happens making the DD come to afterlife. Let me know what you think.
The key word should be yet for no other cs80 clones.i have faith behringer will put one out the only question is when.
Even if Behringer made one at a more sensible price, I'd probably skip over it anyway unless they made it cheap enough and added a hefty patchbay and more useful stuff. I'd prefer they make a Jupiter-8 "clone" as pimped out as the Deepmind.
As an owner of a Mk 1 - excellent review ( as always ). While the community around the product is strong, I have not always had great experiences with support from Black Corp. Not sure if it is still the case, but Facebook was the only way to do some communications in the past, and for some folks that is a non starter. Can be challenging for an almost $4k instrument
I saw an interview and they only have 6 employees. one does OS updates from Russia. Probably why you can't reach anyone.
Very good, in-depth review, thank you.
great sounding. really great. I am seeing a behringer deepmind12 module chassis with this in it for $899, including the 19" rack mount wings lol.
Great review. I have the kit on a shelf waiting for my hands to heal.
Maybe in the near future you'll let us know what you think of the Deckard's Dream Expander.
Thanks! For sure if I get my hands on one. Be well!
pffff...wish i had the monies, man. watched it several times, and many more times for the musical parts...
thank you for bringing this to my knowledge
This synth sounds amazing!
WOW! What an amazing combination! Deckard's Dream AND a CXM 1978? Can't think of a more perfect reverb. I envy that you have access to all of this.
well, there WAS the Lexicon 224 that the 1978 was designed after...
Wow can you explain the wireless midi controller setup?
radio signals
XKeyAir over bluetooth to WIDI Jack - that gets merged in midihub with LinnStrument
Probably has Deckard's dream hooked up to PC and the keyboard is wireless Bluetooth to the PC as well, in Ableton you can play External instruments with any midi device.
$3749 US is OMG WOW expensive for a tiny rack synth module. I'll stick with my Arturia VST CS-80. Thanks.
you can get a used Omega 8 for that price
my vsts sound the same, i am pretty sure nobody notices on their cheap ear phones.
@@miss.antidote I notice, who the hell cares what other people hear.
Memory moon ME80 sounded better to me than the Arturia version. Been a few years since I’ve used both though.
Ouch! My Arturia Collection just paid for itself and left plenty of room for a new monster Host PC with Googles of RAM and SSD. Still nice that somebody revives this classic synth and that Loopop could show us it's glory!
Very cool! Praise and many thanks to Loopop!
Looking at this I realized how much Summit's architecture is inspired by this (and has a ring mod..)
Great video. Very comprehensive and tasteful.
Is the Rachel module the same as the DDRM2 Expander Kit available today to build?
Thanks! I don't have either one to say, please email the company and if you can copy-paste the answer here!
Why did they leave out the ring mod again? If you've ever played a CS-series synth, you know how musically useful it is. It's an absolutely essential part.
Totally.
Please please do a Kijimi review too.
Wicked wicked wicked love the intros and outros
Awesome! Sounds great! Love that you’re using WIDI! 🤘😜👍
Great walkthrough. I'm thinking I'll hold out for the Behringer DS-80. At a pricetag of $3749 for the Mk2, I'd expect a polyphonic aftertouch keyboard, 61 keys, 8+ voices and tight integration with an Italian espresso machine.
Definitely, the Italian expresso machine is a must a this price.
I love this review and this synth. Just wish it was more affordable. Great job as always.
MPE should be a standard since years.