it takes balls to go in front of 85000subs and admit to being wrong, respect for that Dom!! You guys are a great team , can't wait to see the tiger finished.
I need some form of assurance that your giant spanner isn’t going to come crashing down in a future video. Looks pretty dodgy! Thanks for the content, always a fun time.
You know these videos are good when you savour them, like opening your best Christmas present last. Thanks Dom and John - I know nothing about bikes but it’s great to be a bystander 😀
That engine seems to be a bit of a mess. It reminded me of Christmas 1968 when I took the engine off my Tiger Cub and took it up to my bedroom. It was cold in the garage. I stripped it down and replaced the clutch plates, the main bearings and a few other bits and had it all ready to go for the New Year. I will admit that my bedroom did smell very 'garagey' for a while. Poor Mum, she asked what were the things in the fridge. Main bearings. And what are you boiling in my meat dish? That would be the crankcase!
@@jeffry1961 what ....rude, arrogant, smug, patronising assholes...hiding behind a keyboard....but never actually DOING anything themselves .. .. ......something like that..!?!?
I do wonder why some people can’t be polite when offering advice, most people were which is great but those that can’t give a bit of sensible guidance or advice in a calm manner to someone that is learning need to have a good long think about their behaviour 🤔
I rewatched all the Porsche episodes again last week, Im really looking forward to you working on it again. Good decision to realize you were a little hasty on this engine rebuild and did it correctly, keep up the fantastic entertainment 😊
Hi Dom, well done on getting it apart, and having the crank ground for a new timing side main bearing, you big end oil pressure relies on the fit of this bearing/ bush, and it was a week ness of the 3ta, 5ta, t90 design, and I would recommend changing the oil pump as well judging from the dirt that's been pumping around, if my reply is rather late, it's due to me only just seeing the video, sorry mate, and I hope things are going well for you. Kind regards, Stuart UK.
You dodged the bullet here... The number of times I have seen a "full motor rebuild" result in blown out bearings, big end knocks and all the rest because people told themselves "we don't need to do that" which turns into a disaster. When I was an apprentice my journeyman took my first pay packet and bought me a set of round wire brushes (similar to the ones used to clean the barrel of a firearm) to use to really clean all the oil-ways in the blocks, crankshafts etc OF EVERY MOTOR THAT I ASSEMBLED. It makes the difference between a BS rebuild and a rebuild that lasts - ESPECIALLY on competition motors.
With the work load we all have sometimes we look to take a short cut - doing it in public is never easy. UA-cam community can be very supportive but also harsh at times. Admire your openness - but then you're an Essex boy so I'm not surprised!
As others have said Dom, it takes courage to admit you were wrong. Just makes you more genuine and human in my eyes. Love watching you and John work together. Keep em coming.
That sludge trap nut came out VERY easily! The best way to remove the tube is to tap a thread into it, thread in a bolt with a nut on it, which will allow you to tighten the nut down, which will withdraw the tube. Been many years since I have done one, and no idea what size tap to use. Loctite the sludge trap nut when you rebuild it, fit a new oil pump, and strip and carefully inspect the pressure relief valve. Fitting an external replaceable cartridge type oil filter, and changing the oil every 100o miles is a good idea. Sludge traps sometimes get so bad, the material in them has to be drilled out, before you can thread and remove.
Two grown "men" nearly defeated by an inanimate metallic object. Group advice appears to be right, strip and re-build the engine. It's a classic British engine. What couold possibly be "right" with it?
Please crack on with this apace as it’s massively enjoyable!! Best get some more projects started as I’m running out of things to watch! Keep up the good work both.
Another great video Dom and Jon. I have great respect for your integrity and courage in fessing up to a mistake and showing it all to your subscribers. Keep up the great work.
Really loving this series Dom and Jon… I feel your pain and any aspirations of owning an old Triumph myself have evaporated as I witness the struggle you guys are going through… not one for the mechanically challenged… keep up the good work, it’ll be worth it in the end!
You always do things properly so I had to re-watch the earlier segment to verify that you weren't kidding about leaving the engine as it was. My comment was one of the polite ones. I thought so, anyway! 😊
Having said that about the gogles I will add you both make a great team and are very informative entertaining and fun and if you havn't a spanner large enough you'll just whip one up😁
Great to see the engine completely dissembled. Not wishing to comment on the obvious, which I’m sure you know, but when pressing a bearing in to a housing you should only press on the outer ring, allowing the inner ring and raceway to float/follow, thereby avoiding potential brinelling (indentation of the hard surface raceway) The same applies when pressing bearing on to a shaft, where only the inner ring should be used as as pressing surface, thereby allowing outer ring and race way to float/follow. Noticed that when bearing was being pressed in to housing you used a flat plate across both inner and outer ring. Properly Ok as only light pressure was being used.
Welcome to old Triumphs :-) As people said that trap sludge is very common . The wear on the main bush would also mean very low oil pressure so combined with the sludge a dead bottom end very quickly.
See what happens when you take your eye off the 356! SHENANIGANS! LOL. Kidding. We love you Dom, you are dedicated, humble, amiable and truly a joy to watch (John too!). If I learn nothing more than just the proper attitude to have while working on projects than my time on your channel is beyong well spent!
Dom, Firstly, every day is a school day. Secondly the person who hasn't made a mistake hasn;t been born. And Thirdly, congratulations as there are many who would have done everything in their powers to conceal their error, well done.
UA-camr (and master bicycle and motorcycle builder) Paul Brodie has some fantastic videos on rebuilding and modifying Triumph Tiger Cub engines (I'm not a Triumph guy so I don't know how similar it is to the 'regular' Tiger'...), but thought it would e worth a mention.
You were saying the crank was "scored", I thought you were saying "schooled". Like what the many comments were telling you! Good luck with many builds you guys are tackling. Love to see the progress.
You can't beat a proper old fashioned impact screwdriver for removing stubborn seized screws and bolts without damaging them, and you'd be surprised at just how many people just do not know that these even exist.
Dom I am a big fan of your work but since you don't specialise in motorcycles I would suggest you view some of the videos made by the patron saint of motorcycle engineers the great Allen Millyard. 😁
I was surprised when you said that you would not strip the bottom-end, because if wear is present in the top-end, there is bound to be wear in the bottom-end; but, I have been there myself, trying to convince myself that it was OK......
Well done Lads, I don't think that poor engine would have lasted much longer. As a retired service engineer, it worries me that your 'point lighting' table lamp is so light that it was in serious danger of being knocked off the table and smashed, and a clamped spring arm lamp would just get in the way. I will Email you with a free solution.
Good job you followed the advice, that bottom end was really in a sorry state! As so many inexperienced people watch these videos you really should set the right example and wear safety glasses when drilling and punching things.
' In for a Penny, In for a Pound'... My rebuild failed to replace the shifter rod oil seal and I wound up with a seized engine. It pays to see to all the details while you have the chance... 🧐
I have just finished a complete rewire, carb build, points replacement and timing after working out what someone did before on a 500cc T100SS for a neighbour and how ever long the work takes that first kick over and fire up makes it all worthwhile. So I would reckon your first start will be just a magic moment! And fair play on owning up on that strip down. You dodged a very noisy and expensive bullet!
You are doing a great job, either way. Remember everyone who posts on the internet have two things in common, an OPINION and a pace where the sit with a hole in it and some times the opinion is given out by that hole. Keep calm and carry on.
a study was done years ago showing that a proper conclusion could be reach by asking many people what they would do in a given situation. now you've seen that it actually works. kind of a kick aint it.
Well done you for taking the cases apart and fixing everything right, once. Far too many YTers do half-arsed shortcuts and way too many shadetree mechanics bollocks things up because they’re either too lazy, or too incompetent to do it properly. Nearly the best episode ever on your channel and there have been heaps so far!
Good call to do the bottom end , you would have to do anyway when it would have given up . No point doing the job twice . Any links to the supplier of the pullers and an idea of price please . Another excellent episode , treat yourself and John to a pot of tea and a nice slice of cake .
The sludge trap was doing its job. All that stuff was suspended in the oil until centrifugal force separated and deposited it. There was still plenty of space for oil to circulate. You just need to make sure that all the oil holes line up when it goes back together. Overall, the bottom end was looking better than I expected.
Well done you for taking it on board and cracking on with the job. So cool to see the massive spanner in the background. We got a little bit giddy meeting it (and you) at Goodwood Revival!
I got a serving of humble pie today. I figured you’d be ok with just a top end refresh. It’s always best practice to do a full tear down on an engine with an unknown history but I definitely commented something other than better judgement. I’ve never seen a “sludge tube” before. I’ve also never seen an oil passage so blocked. You learn something new everyday. Great video
it takes balls to go in front of 85000subs and admit to being wrong, respect for that Dom!! You guys are a great team , can't wait to see the tiger finished.
Appreciate that
My father always said it takes a man to admit he was wrong.
Learning learning, the fun in life is learning.
Hi Boy's . Humble pie eaten with grace ......🙏
Wonderful, as usual!
I need some form of assurance that your giant spanner isn’t going to come crashing down in a future video. Looks pretty dodgy! Thanks for the content, always a fun time.
Haha it’s just leant up against the wall, ok I will tie it in some how!
Next get the crank and rods hot bath cleaned and crack tested…….then it’ll see you out 👍🤓
Any chance you could get footage on the engineer works on that crank seal honing and fitting?
Looking forward to the engine build thanks a mil
I’ll try!
Wot no Wendy!
What is this sludge, where’s it from, what does it cause and why is it so hard to get to it to clean it out?
Centrifugal force removes any contamination in the oil and over a long period of time creates thick carbon and oil sludge
@@iantaylor5579 Thanks for the explanation :)
Whats the story with Jons hair?
I wish I knew!
Respect to you for taking advice and admitting a mistake, many would would not. Love the channel, love The repair shop, keep it up.
Thanks 👍
Well done guys, right decision. Keep em coming Dom.
Glad you followed the advice Dom. It means you are going to get the bike back working the way you want. Another great video.
400 smug but relieved commentators from the previous video probably!
You know these videos are good when you savour them, like opening your best Christmas present last. Thanks Dom and John - I know nothing about bikes but it’s great to be a bystander 😀
That engine seems to be a bit of a mess. It reminded me of Christmas 1968 when I took the engine off my Tiger Cub and took it up to my bedroom. It was cold in the garage. I stripped it down and replaced the clutch plates, the main bearings and a few other bits and had it all ready to go for the New Year. I will admit that my bedroom did smell very 'garagey' for a while. Poor Mum, she asked what were the things in the fridge. Main bearings. And what are you boiling in my meat dish? That would be the crankcase!
Not only did you listen, but my comment was one of the ones plastered on the screen from last time! Hahaha I'm famous Ya'all, like Mary Poppins!
You did well to take the criticism so lightly, some of it was really harsh! Well done to you both, that was a very enjoyable episode.
You need a thick skin to be on here! Thank you,
People can be (fill in expletive of your choice here).
@@jeffry1961 what ....rude, arrogant, smug, patronising assholes...hiding behind a keyboard....but never actually DOING anything themselves .. ..
......something like that..!?!?
I do wonder why some people can’t be polite when offering advice, most people were which is great but those that can’t give a bit of sensible guidance or advice in a calm manner to someone that is learning need to have a good long think about their behaviour 🤔
I rewatched all the Porsche episodes again last week, Im really looking forward to you working on it again. Good decision to realize you were a little hasty on this engine rebuild and did it correctly, keep up the fantastic entertainment 😊
I agree, bring us the Porsche! 👍🏻
Hi Dom, well done on getting it apart, and having the crank ground for a new timing side main bearing, you big end oil pressure relies on the fit of this bearing/ bush, and it was a week ness of the 3ta, 5ta, t90 design, and I would recommend changing the oil pump as well judging from the dirt that's been pumping around, if my reply is rather late, it's due to me only just seeing the video, sorry mate, and I hope things are going well for you. Kind regards, Stuart UK.
You dodged the bullet here...
The number of times I have seen a "full motor rebuild" result in blown out bearings, big end knocks and all the rest because people told themselves "we don't need to do that" which turns into a disaster.
When I was an apprentice my journeyman took my first pay packet and bought me a set of round wire brushes (similar to the ones used to clean the barrel of a firearm) to use to really clean all the oil-ways in the blocks, crankshafts etc OF EVERY MOTOR THAT I ASSEMBLED.
It makes the difference between a BS rebuild and a rebuild that lasts - ESPECIALLY on competition motors.
It’s slowly getting there lads
Get in touch with SRM Engineering if you need any advice.
They carry out the roller bearing crank conversion on BSA & Triumphs…
With the work load we all have sometimes we look to take a short cut - doing it in public is never easy. UA-cam community can be very supportive but also harsh at times. Admire your openness - but then you're an Essex boy so I'm not surprised!
The sludgefest episode. Happy to see you going all the way with this restoration.
It really was a sludge fest!
@@DominicChineasis that my spanner you borrowed off me in the background lol
Dom says to John, “We’re in trouble”.
John’s thinking, ”What’s this we crap Kimosabe, I wanted to sort out the bottom end” 😂😂😂
That’s what I was thinking 😂
you sure are not a mechanic or anything ! = really you need to check yourself = amature for sure !
Good work, Dom and Jon!
Much appreciated!
You need more Mince Pies to keep the focus, poor Jon's fading away. Dom, "tis the season to be jolly!" Great fun guys, thanks.
Great work guys just have one query "bring back Wendy.""
As others have said Dom, it takes courage to admit you were wrong. Just makes you more genuine and human in my eyes. Love watching you and John work together. Keep em coming.
That sludge trap nut came out VERY easily! The best way to remove the tube is to tap a thread into it, thread in a bolt with a nut on it, which will allow you to tighten the nut down, which will withdraw the tube.
Been many years since I have done one, and no idea what size tap to use. Loctite the sludge trap nut when you rebuild it, fit a new oil pump, and strip and carefully inspect the pressure relief valve.
Fitting an external replaceable cartridge type oil filter, and changing the oil every 100o miles is a good idea. Sludge traps sometimes get so bad, the material in them has to be drilled out, before you can thread and remove.
Always fun with 'The Laughing Mechanics'....
Are we all puppets in your 'cunning plan'?
Did you always intend to split the crankcase?
WHO CARES!! 😂
I'm really enjoying the ride.
No I honestly did not plan to! I promise!
Two grown "men" nearly defeated by an inanimate metallic object.
Group advice appears to be right, strip and re-build the engine. It's a classic British engine. What couold possibly be "right" with it?
Er......what ARE you talking about .....!?!?
bearings from România?!?! As romanian myself, I'm not quite sure if this is a good thing........
Haha!! The replacement isn’t from Romania!
Please crack on with this apace as it’s massively enjoyable!! Best get some more projects started as I’m running out of things to watch! Keep up the good work both.
Don’t worry I have plenty of projects to be getting in with!
You are a proper English gentleman! How graciously you handled all that. Your videos are a delightful spot of tea.
Thank you! 😃
Great video. Glad the ‘people have spoken’ … and you listened ! Well done.
Another great video Dom and Jon. I have great respect for your integrity and courage in fessing up to a mistake and showing it all to your subscribers. Keep up the great work.
Really loving this series Dom and Jon… I feel your pain and any aspirations of owning an old Triumph myself have evaporated as I witness the struggle you guys are going through… not one for the mechanically challenged… keep up the good work, it’ll be worth it in the end!
Beauty of UA-cam!
it is the same on a Jaguar XK engine but a lot more sludge plugs, DO MAKE SURE YOU FLUSH IT THROUGH THOROUGHLY
You always do things properly so I had to re-watch the earlier segment to verify that you weren't kidding about leaving the engine as it was. My comment was one of the polite ones. I thought so, anyway! 😊
The right decision, get the bike better than new and it won't let you down. Will you go for electronic ignition or keep it original?
Half-job-Dom didn’t sound too good,hey? Great decision. If you’re going to do a job, do it properly.
I love this channel and its expert commentators. So honest.
Dom safty gogles, don't loose an eye in a workshop!😮
I didn’t think I’d need goggles
To undo a bolt!
@@DominicChineas always
Having said that about the gogles I will add you both make a great team and are very informative entertaining and fun and if you havn't a spanner large enough you'll just whip one up😁
Great to see the engine completely dissembled. Not wishing to comment on the obvious, which I’m sure you know, but when pressing a bearing in to a housing you should only press on the outer ring, allowing the inner ring and raceway to float/follow, thereby avoiding potential brinelling (indentation of the hard surface raceway) The same applies when pressing bearing on to a shaft, where only the inner ring should be used as as pressing surface, thereby allowing outer ring and race way to float/follow.
Noticed that when bearing was being pressed in to housing you used a flat plate across both inner and outer ring.
Properly Ok as only light pressure was being used.
Welcome to old Triumphs :-) As people said that trap sludge is very common . The wear on the main bush would also mean very low oil pressure so combined with the sludge a dead bottom end very quickly.
I sold a BSA to a friend without doing the trap, it threw a rod through the case. NEVER AGAIN.
See what happens when you take your eye off the 356! SHENANIGANS! LOL. Kidding. We love you Dom, you are dedicated, humble, amiable and truly a joy to watch (John too!). If I learn nothing more than just the proper attitude to have while working on projects than my time on your channel is beyong well spent!
Hi Dom and John, Yes I do like someone who admits they was wrong , that aside, You are doing well, can't wait for the ride 😂🎉, All the best Brian 😃
being able to change your mind is the mark of high intelligence 👍👍
Nice video, that sludge trap was full of rubbish,wow.. SRM in Wales grind cranks, also Hopwood triumph specialist also grind cranks.
Well done , it's the right thing to do.
We all had to learn, just not in front of a youtube channel. Take your time, do it right, right on.
Dom, Firstly, every day is a school day. Secondly the person who hasn't made a mistake hasn;t been born. And Thirdly, congratulations as there are many who would have done everything in their powers to conceal their error, well done.
Good move, lads.
Getting close to 100K subscribers... Definitely the right decision pulling the engine all the way down.
getting close!
UA-camr (and master bicycle and motorcycle builder) Paul Brodie has some fantastic videos on rebuilding and modifying Triumph Tiger Cub engines (I'm not a Triumph guy so I don't know how similar it is to the 'regular' Tiger'...), but thought it would e worth a mention.
You were saying the crank was "scored", I thought you were saying "schooled". Like what the many comments were telling you! Good luck with many builds you guys are tackling. Love to see the progress.
Hi Don! Like many I’m a fan of you on Repair Shop so I’ve noticed your beard is much shorter on TV. - do you just film that program in the Summer? 🤔
You can't beat a proper old fashioned impact screwdriver for removing stubborn seized screws and bolts without damaging them, and you'd be surprised at just how many people just do not know that these even exist.
Dom I am a big fan of your work but since you don't specialise in motorcycles I would suggest you view some of the videos made by the patron saint of motorcycle engineers the great Allen Millyard. 😁
Glad you did the right thing for the bike.
How lucky you are being able to get parts, try doing the same job on a Honda CX650 engine.
I was surprised when you said that you would not strip the bottom-end, because if wear is present in the top-end, there is bound to be wear in the bottom-end; but, I have been there myself, trying to convince myself that it was OK......
Well done Lads, I don't think that poor engine would have lasted much longer. As a retired service engineer, it worries me that your 'point lighting' table lamp is so light that it was in serious danger of being knocked off the table and smashed, and a clamped spring arm lamp would just get in the way. I will Email you with a free solution.
A man who's never made a mistake has never made anything.
You should lookup for what your name in Dutch means, fits some what by the video. I love your content, keep up the good work Dom!
Thanks Dom for the video and update. Wise choice I believe getting into the bottom end. Definitely would not have ran long if you did not.
Oh wot a good choice to follow the advice. You should listen to John:-)
Good job you followed the advice, that bottom end was really in a sorry state! As so many inexperienced people watch these videos you really should set the right example and wear safety glasses when drilling and punching things.
Once it's done you'll be so pleased, do it right do it once. I can't wait for it to be to ridden !
Thanks Dom and John good decision to strip the crankcase. Cheers
' In for a Penny, In for a Pound'... My rebuild failed to replace the shifter rod oil seal and I wound up with a seized engine. It pays to see to all the details while you have the chance... 🧐
I'm all outta sludge, can i have some of yours? Brilliant episode keep up the good work on this 'easy' little build 😂
Well done Dom and John I will do the same then I rebuild my triumph engine when my Enfield trials project is finished 😊
I have just finished a complete rewire, carb build, points replacement and timing after working out what someone did before on a 500cc T100SS for a neighbour and how ever long the work takes that first kick over and fire up makes it all worthwhile. So I would reckon your first start will be just a magic moment!
And fair play on owning up on that strip down. You dodged a very noisy and expensive bullet!
You are doing a great job, either way. Remember everyone who posts on the internet have two things in common, an OPINION and a pace where the sit with a hole in it and some times the opinion is given out by that hole. Keep calm and carry on.
Quite agree, " if it's worth doing it's worth doing properly" 👍 Or at least trying lol
a study was done years ago showing that a proper conclusion could be reach by asking many people what they would do in a given situation. now you've seen that it actually works. kind of a kick aint it.
Well done you for taking the cases apart and fixing everything right, once. Far too many YTers do half-arsed shortcuts and way too many shadetree mechanics bollocks things up because they’re either too lazy, or too incompetent to do it properly. Nearly the best episode ever on your channel and there have been heaps so far!
Brilliant, loved your honesty and admitting that! Great to watch and another excellent update 👏👍
Good call to do the bottom end , you would have to do anyway when it would have given up . No point doing the job twice . Any links to the supplier of the pullers and an idea of price please . Another excellent episode , treat yourself and John to a pot of tea and a nice slice of cake .
At least with modern oils it shouldn’t sludge up again.
What’s nextweek then 🏍️
The sludge trap was doing its job. All that stuff was suspended in the oil until centrifugal force separated and deposited it. There was still plenty of space for oil to circulate. You just need to make sure that all the oil holes line up when it goes back together. Overall, the bottom end was looking better than I expected.
People forget to easily that bike engines are not area of expertise, so your learning. Every days a school day .
Heart was in my mouth the whole video well done taking it apart
Well done you for taking it on board and cracking on with the job.
So cool to see the massive spanner in the background. We got a little bit giddy meeting it (and you) at Goodwood Revival!
Damn they ripped you a new one last week! Glad taking the advice paid off
Everyone is still alive, so no harm done... some learning has been achieved and clearly taken on board 😂👍
Sorry to be fussy but a 'bush' is found in the woods alongside bears. In an engine we find bushings and bearings.
Excellent work.. worth the bottom end strip 👍🏻 still loving the rebuild.
Andover Norton stock trumpet parts made better watched their you tube channel the ceo film interesting !
I'm no mechanic or engineer but well done for stripping it down. No one wants all that gunk do they.
Would you cut corners on the Repair Shop ?
Thought not :)
Nobody likes smug and sanctimonious........!!!
John looked like a fellow trying to dress a cat when wrestling with getting that crank out.
I got a serving of humble pie today. I figured you’d be ok with just a top end refresh. It’s always best practice to do a full tear down on an engine with an unknown history but I definitely commented something other than better judgement. I’ve never seen a “sludge tube” before. I’ve also never seen an oil passage so blocked. You learn something new everyday. Great video
It looked like watching one of those ear wax removal videos